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Cruz also bumped another delegate in LA, making it 18 apiece with Trump. Cruz therefore won more CD delegates than Trump, despite trailing in the popular vote...RodCrosby said:
How does a guy who wins 11% statewide pick up a delegate in 5 out of the 6 CDs?Pulpstar said:
They'll make up the rules to suit Marco as they go along.RodCrosby said:Looks like Rubio has picked up 5 delegates from Louisiana, after some last-minute rule change or clarification. [I still don't quite see how]
http://www.lagop.com/blog/2016/3/6/lagop-congratulates-donald-trump-on-louisiana-victory
I wish they'd stop doing that!
And the CDs weren't even in the mix last time I looked...
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I dont know, but the local Tory is quick to make the linkjohn_zims said:@isam
'It wont be long before daring to mention that Khan will do well in Tower Hamlets and Newham will be WAAAAYCIST'
Was the former Mayor of Tower Hamlets also one of Khan's pals ?
https://twitter.com/going4golds/status/6433597448754913280 -
Starting to smell some rather large rats ?RodCrosby said:
Cruz also bumped another delegate in LA, making it 18 apiece with Trump. Cruz therefore won more CD delegates than Trump, despite trailing in the popular vote...RodCrosby said:
How does a guy who wins 11% statewide pick up a delegate in 5 out of the 6 CDs?Pulpstar said:
They'll make up the rules to suit Marco as they go along.RodCrosby said:Looks like Rubio has picked up 5 delegates from Louisiana, after some last-minute rule change or clarification. [I still don't quite see how]
http://www.lagop.com/blog/2016/3/6/lagop-congratulates-donald-trump-on-louisiana-victory
I wish they'd stop doing that!
And the CDs weren't even in the mix last time I looked...0 -
If Kasich is fair value at 12/1 for the Republican nomination, which he probably isn't, then he's great value to become POTUS at 40/1 with Wm. Hill.
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http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2016/03/trump-kasich-in-tight-ohio-race.html
Trump 38
Kasich 35
Cruz 15
Rubio 5
Trump 40
Kasich 55
I think Kasich is in prime position in Ohio.0 -
I am on for a pound each way, but only a poor 3000/1.Morris_Dancer said:Someone had a 5000/1 bet on Leciester. Chose to cash out for around £70k rather than hold on and hope for a £250,000 win if they get the title:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-35747633
Still, it will pay for my season ticket for a decade or so...0 -
Nearly 60% of 18-24s voted at the general election according to the BES, a bit lower than the overall figure of 66% but not vastly soTCPoliticalBetting said:
That may be correct. But first why are the polling companies weighting Young voters vs 65+ in a way that is disproportionate with how they voted at the GE?HYUFD said:
At the general election the Tories benefited from support from both high turnout groups, the old and the middle class, at the referendum the middle classes will back Remain while the old will back Leave thus somewhat cancelling each other outTCPoliticalBetting said:TIME TO CHALLENGE POLLING WEIGHTINGS
1. The betting markets are influenced by the polls (Statement of the bleeding obvious).
2. Key to this is how accurate are the polls (2nd Statement of the bleeding obvious).
4. One of the major causes of inaccurate polls for the GE was having too many young voters and too few 65+ Conservative leaning voters in the polling samples.
5. Yougov stated in an recent article that for every voter in 18-24 range there should be 3 in the 65+ range.
6. So why in the 2nd & 3rd March Yougov data was there just a weighting of 197 18-25 and only 356 65+ ? This produced a small REMAIN 3% (40%) lead whereas it probably should have been ?????
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/generalelection/general-election-2015-highest-turnout-since-1997-10235076.html0 -
Nice logic. I do struggle to see a Kasich nomination without a third-party Trump run...peter_from_putney said:If Kasich is fair value at 12/1 for the Republican nomination, which he probably isn't, then he's great value to become POTUS at 40/1 with Wm. Hill.
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Dunno. Does LA now count as a win for both Cruz and Trump?Pulpstar said:
Starting to smell some rather large rats ?RodCrosby said:
Cruz also bumped another delegate in LA, making it 18 apiece with Trump. Cruz therefore won more CD delegates than Trump, despite trailing in the popular vote...RodCrosby said:
How does a guy who wins 11% statewide pick up a delegate in 5 out of the 6 CDs?Pulpstar said:
They'll make up the rules to suit Marco as they go along.RodCrosby said:Looks like Rubio has picked up 5 delegates from Louisiana, after some last-minute rule change or clarification. [I still don't quite see how]
http://www.lagop.com/blog/2016/3/6/lagop-congratulates-donald-trump-on-louisiana-victory
I wish they'd stop doing that!
And the CDs weren't even in the mix last time I looked...0 -
I have more than a little sympathy for her, if her excuse turns out to be true.Morris_Dancer said:Sharapova failed a drugs test at the Australian Open:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/35750285
He was taking a substance for ten years as prescribed by a doctor, and then that substance was added to the banned drugs list in January. Yet she knew it by a different (non-generic?) name.
I can imagine it's easy to do. Then again, she's supposed to be a professional ...0 -
Hmm. This sounds like polling trutherism, as practised by Republicans in 2012.TCPoliticalBetting said:TIME TO CHALLENGE POLLING WEIGHTINGS
1. The betting markets are influenced by the polls (Statement of the bleeding obvious).
2. Key to this is how accurate are the polls (2nd Statement of the bleeding obvious).
4. One of the major causes of inaccurate polls for the GE was having too many young voters and too few 65+ Conservative leaning voters in the polling samples.
5. Yougov stated in an recent article that for every voter in 18-24 range there should be 3 in the 65+ range.
6. So why in the 2nd & 3rd March Yougov data was there just a weighting of 197 18-25 and only 356 65+ ? This produced a small REMAIN 3% (40%) lead whereas it probably should have been ?????0 -
I agree, I'm working on a many a slip twixt cup and lip basis.EPG said:
Nice logic. I do struggle to see a Kasich nomination without a third-party Trump run...peter_from_putney said:If Kasich is fair value at 12/1 for the Republican nomination, which he probably isn't, then he's great value to become POTUS at 40/1 with Wm. Hill.
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The Conservatives win the East European vote? Best be quick about that before they all get deported by Bill Cash and his mates!RoyalBlue said:
if the Conservatives could mobilise the East European vote, Khan would be crushed like the bug he is. Zac coming out for Leave doesn't help with that.SeanT said:
The endless parade of damaging, Muslimy stories must be eroding his support. I can't see him picking up many WWC or Jewish/Sikh/Hindu votes.isam said:
Not to mention ethnic quotasSeanT said:
I begin to think Sadiq Khan is seriously nasty. Not just accident prone or credulous, but actively and dangerously close to Islamism. The evidence is now overwhelming.john_zims said:Another Labour car crash.
'An aide to Labour mayoral candidate Sadiq Khan resigned today after the Evening Standard found pictures of him brandishing a gun and claiming he could be a hired “hitman”.
Shueb Salar posted a video online of himself with a rifle and bragged about spending a weekend “shooting stuff with real guns, knives, crossbows and bow and arrows”.
He added the joke comments #I’mASecretHitman and #ShoutMeIfYouWantMeToTakeCareOfSomeone and #I’llMakeItLookLikeAnAccident.
Mr Salar also added emoticons showing a knife, a pistol and a thumb’s up.'
This piece of work CANNOT be Mayor of London.
More importantly, how deep does this gangrene go within Labour? If they can let an Islamist fellow traveller like Khan become their mayoral candidate, FOR LONDON, what other sections of the party are quietly rotting away?
Incredible that he is likely to be our Mayor
He will get the Guardianista left, the lower middle class Labour loyalists, and his fellow Muslims. Is that enough? Hmm.
Sadiq Khan will thrash Zac.0 -
Indeed so, with managers, trainers, doctors and other advisors, etc. to look after her every need.JosiasJessop said:
I can imagine it's easy to do. Then again, she's supposed to be a professional ...Morris_Dancer said:Sharapova failed a drugs test at the Australian Open:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/357502850 -
@foxinsoxuk.
'The Conservatives win the East European vote? Best be quick about that before they all get deported by Bill Cash and his mates!
Sadiq Khan will thrash Zac.'
Are the Lib Dems putting up a candidate or not bothering this time ?
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Let's face it , if Kasich can't win Ohio as the State's Governor, then he doesn't have a prayer.Speedy said:http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2016/03/trump-kasich-in-tight-ohio-race.html
Trump 38
Kasich 35
Cruz 15
Rubio 5
Trump 40
Kasich 55
I think Kasich is in prime position in Ohio.0 -
He is the Governor of the state, Kasich should be leading Trump by 10 points in Ohio, not trailing him. One on one he may have a clear lead but it will not be one on one and he has to win his homestate to stay in the raceSpeedy said:http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2016/03/trump-kasich-in-tight-ohio-race.html
Trump 38
Kasich 35
Cruz 15
Rubio 5
Trump 40
Kasich 55
I think Kasich is in prime position in Ohio.0 -
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_OH_30716.pdfSpeedy said:http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2016/03/trump-kasich-in-tight-ohio-race.html
Trump 38
Kasich 35
Cruz 15
Rubio 5
Trump 40
Kasich 55
I think Kasich is in prime position in Ohio.
Bottom of page 8 shows the weakness of your Romney/Trump analysis before. Far more corssover0 -
To be honest there's probably no value in either Kasich POTUS or GOP. But perhaps GOP is better. The GOP have to essentially break their own rules (Severely) for it to be anyone other than Trump or Cruz right now.EPG said:
Nice logic. I do struggle to see a Kasich nomination without a third-party Trump run...peter_from_putney said:If Kasich is fair value at 12/1 for the Republican nomination, which he probably isn't, then he's great value to become POTUS at 40/1 with Wm. Hill.
DYOR
But who is to say they won't ?
Anyway my GOP book looks more valuable than ever right now so I've more or less levelled it off.0 -
It won't really impact on their vote tally whether they stand or not.john_zims said:@foxinsoxuk.
Are the Lib Dems putting up a candidate or not bothering this time ?0 -
Who are the Lib Dems?john_zims said:@foxinsoxuk.
'The Conservatives win the East European vote? Best be quick about that before they all get deported by Bill Cash and his mates!
Sadiq Khan will thrash Zac.'
Are the Lib Dems putting up a candidate or not bothering this time ?0 -
Rubio will be destroyed by Hillary despite what the polls say, there are about 10 million Trump voters that ain't going to come out if he is robbed.0
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I don't know if the punter in the bbc article did this or not, but...foxinsoxuk said:
I am on for a pound each way, but only a poor 3000/1.Morris_Dancer said:Someone had a 5000/1 bet on Leciester. Chose to cash out for around £70k rather than hold on and hope for a £250,000 win if they get the title:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-35747633
Still, it will pay for my season ticket for a decade or so...
If you are going to cash out a payout that size on a fixed odds bet, rather than clicking the cashout button, it's probably worth calling up the bookie in question and negotiating a payout as close as possible to the betfair exchange odds. I'd expect to be able to increase the payout by a few per cent.
In exchange for publicity, the bookies might be even more generous.0 -
My rule of thumb wasn't far off thought.TheWhiteRabbit said:
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_OH_30716.pdfSpeedy said:http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2016/03/trump-kasich-in-tight-ohio-race.html
Trump 38
Kasich 35
Cruz 15
Rubio 5
Trump 40
Kasich 55
I think Kasich is in prime position in Ohio.
Bottom of page 8 shows the weakness of your Romney/Trump analysis before. Far more corssover
I said that Trump+Cruz is 52% and Kasich+Rubio is 36% based on the Trump/Romney numbers leaked, and the result was 53% and 40%.0 -
Yet another "unfortunate" connection...isam said:
I dont know, but the local Tory is quick to make the linkjohn_zims said:@isam
'It wont be long before daring to mention that Khan will do well in Tower Hamlets and Newham will be WAAAAYCIST'
Was the former Mayor of Tower Hamlets also one of Khan's pals ?
https://twitter.com/going4golds/status/6433597448754913280 -
If Trump or Cruz win a majority of delegates they are the nominee and the GOP establishment can do nothing about itPulpstar said:
To be honest there's probably no value in either Kasich POTUS or GOP. But perhaps GOP is better. The GOP have to essentially break their own rules (Severely) for it to be anyone other than Trump or Cruz right now.EPG said:
Nice logic. I do struggle to see a Kasich nomination without a third-party Trump run...peter_from_putney said:If Kasich is fair value at 12/1 for the Republican nomination, which he probably isn't, then he's great value to become POTUS at 40/1 with Wm. Hill.
DYOR
But who is to say they won't ?
Anyway my GOP book looks more valuable than ever right now so I've more or less levelled it off.0 -
Look at Rubio's favourability among republicans in Ohio he's at 33/51 for -18, the worst numbers of all candidates, even worse than Romney.Pulpstar said:Rubio will be destroyed by Hillary despite what the polls say, there are about 10 million Trump voters that ain't going to come out if he is robbed.
If it's Rubio vs Hillary in Ohio you can guess the result.0 -
Come on Sean, you are old enough to remember.Sean_F said:
Who are the Lib Dems?john_zims said:@foxinsoxuk.
'The Conservatives win the East European vote? Best be quick about that before they all get deported by Bill Cash and his mates!
Sadiq Khan will thrash Zac.'
Are the Lib Dems putting up a candidate or not bothering this time ?0 -
To be fair to her in the statement she said it is her fault, responsibility and she acknowledges she will have to face the consequences.peter_from_putney said:
Indeed so, with managers, trainers, doctors and other advisors, etc. to look after her every need.JosiasJessop said:
I can imagine it's easy to do. Then again, she's supposed to be a professional ...Morris_Dancer said:Sharapova failed a drugs test at the Australian Open:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/35750285
A refreshingly honest response.0 -
I am not cashing out though! Too much fun, but may not endear me to Ladbrokes.Pong said:
I don't know if the punter in the bbc article did this or not, but...foxinsoxuk said:
I am on for a pound each way, but only a poor 3000/1.Morris_Dancer said:Someone had a 5000/1 bet on Leciester. Chose to cash out for around £70k rather than hold on and hope for a £250,000 win if they get the title:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-35747633
Still, it will pay for my season ticket for a decade or so...
If you are going to cash out a payout that size on a fixed odds bet, rather than clicking the cashout button, it's probably worth calling up the bookie in question and negotiating a payout as close as possible to the betfair exchange odds. I'd expect to be able to increase the payout by a few per cent.
In exchange for publicity, the bookies might be even more generous.0 -
I found a problem for Kasich and maybe Cruz:
https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/706873628944629761
Kasich needs 2000 signatures to be on the Pennsylvania primary ballot, he is just over the limit and Rubio is challenging him to court.
Cruz also has 2 court hearings over his signatures plus one for his eligibility due to his canadian citizenship.
Best case for Trump is that both Kasich and Cruz are out of the Pennsylvania ballot, stuff like that happens from time to time, it happened last in Virginia in 2012.0 -
Is it just plausible that:Pulpstar said:
To be honest there's probably no value in either Kasich POTUS or GOP. But perhaps GOP is better. The GOP have to essentially break their own rules (Severely) for it to be anyone other than Trump or Cruz right now.EPG said:
Nice logic. I do struggle to see a Kasich nomination without a third-party Trump run...peter_from_putney said:If Kasich is fair value at 12/1 for the Republican nomination, which he probably isn't, then he's great value to become POTUS at 40/1 with Wm. Hill.
DYOR
But who is to say they won't ?
Anyway my GOP book looks more valuable than ever right now so I've more or less levelled it off.
Kasich wins Michigan
Kasich wins Ohio and gives appearance of momentum
Rubio loses Florida and drops out on the same day
In a 3-way contest Kasich emerges as a "better Rubio" and ends up close to Cruz (assuming Cruz is second) in delegates.
In the fabled brokered convention he is: 1) not significantly more of a stitch-up than Cruz and 2) has the delightful advantage of actually being likely to win the election.
The odds on that are a damn sight longer than 12/10 -
Kasich and Rubio will likely be gone from the race in just over a weekSpeedy said:I found a problem for Kasich and maybe Cruz:
https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/706873628944629761
Kasich needs 2000 signatures to be on the Pennsylvania primary ballot, he is just over the limit and Rubio is challenging him to court.
Cruz also has 2 court hearings over his signatures plus one for his eligibility due to his canadian citizenship.
Best case for Trump is that both Kasich and Cruz are out of the Pennsylvania ballot, stuff like that happens from time to time, it happened last in Virginia in 2012.0 -
Err, I've been out campaigning and every weekend we get Eastern Europeans helping out with leafleting and canvassing, quite a few as well. Eastern Europeans love Boris and they are more conservatively minded, with a small c, so the party appeals to them.foxinsoxuk said:
The Conservatives win the East European vote? Best be quick about that before they all get deported by Bill Cash and his mates!RoyalBlue said:
if the Conservatives could mobilise the East European vote, Khan would be crushed like the bug he is. Zac coming out for Leave doesn't help with that.SeanT said:
The endless parade of damaging, Muslimy stories must be eroding his support. I can't see him picking up many WWC or Jewish/Sikh/Hindu votes.isam said:
Not to mention ethnic quotasSeanT said:
I begin to think Sadiq Khan is seriously nasty. Not just accident prone or credulous, but actively and dangerously close to Islamism. The evidence is now overwhelming.john_zims said:Another Labour car crash.
'An aide to Labour mayoral candidate Sadiq Khan resigned today after the Evening Standard found pictures of him brandishing a gun and claiming he could be a hired “hitman”.
Shueb Salar posted a video online of himself with a rifle and bragged about spending a weekend “shooting stuff with real guns, knives, crossbows and bow and arrows”.
He added the joke comments #I’mASecretHitman and #ShoutMeIfYouWantMeToTakeCareOfSomeone and #I’llMakeItLookLikeAnAccident.
Mr Salar also added emoticons showing a knife, a pistol and a thumb’s up.'
This piece of work CANNOT be Mayor of London.
More importantly, how deep does this gangrene go within Labour? If they can let an Islamist fellow traveller like Khan become their mayoral candidate, FOR LONDON, what other sections of the party are quietly rotting away?
Incredible that he is likely to be our Mayor
He will get the Guardianista left, the lower middle class Labour loyalists, and his fellow Muslims. Is that enough? Hmm.
Sadiq Khan will thrash Zac.0 -
What a laughing stock the British Chambers of Commerce are! The Kent chief expressed a preference for Remain and didn't lose his job,whilst Mr Longworth honourably resigned over his preference for Leave. This is an organisation that's only mouthpiece pre-2009 was always to call for lower interest rates come what may to encourage more spending. Why should anybody take any notice of what they say any more? Time for M&S, Debenhams, John Lewis et al to form their own breakaway organisation and bring this pathetic charade of the BCC to a close:
http://order-order.com/2016/03/07/remain-supporting-bcc-chief-keeps-job/0 -
Tennis authorities are a joke both on the testing front and also medical advice etc. Remember Greg Rusedski failed a doping test, due to being prescribed a drug by the official tour doctors which was on the banned list.JosiasJessop said:
I have more than a little sympathy for her, if her excuse turns out to be true.Morris_Dancer said:Sharapova failed a drugs test at the Australian Open:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/35750285
He was taking a substance for ten years as prescribed by a doctor, and then that substance was added to the banned drugs list in January. Yet she knew it by a different (non-generic?) name.
I can imagine it's easy to do. Then again, she's supposed to be a professional ...0 -
41 years ago and plus ca change!
http://order-order.com/2016/03/07/deja-v-eu-remainers-rehash-1975-leaflets-verbatim/0 -
I doubt it.HYUFD said:
Kasich and Rubio will likely be gone from the race in just over a weekSpeedy said:I found a problem for Kasich and maybe Cruz:
https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/706873628944629761
Kasich needs 2000 signatures to be on the Pennsylvania primary ballot, he is just over the limit and Rubio is challenging him to court.
Cruz also has 2 court hearings over his signatures plus one for his eligibility due to his canadian citizenship.
Best case for Trump is that both Kasich and Cruz are out of the Pennsylvania ballot, stuff like that happens from time to time, it happened last in Virginia in 2012.
Kasich has good chances of winning Ohio.
Rubio's campaign is now Romney's, and Romney will keep Rubio in to deny as many delegates from the others as possible, in order to crown Romney the nominee in the convention.0 -
Best not deport them then...MaxPB said:
Err, I've been out campaigning and every weekend we get Eastern Europeans helping out with leafleting and canvassing, quite a few as well. Eastern Europeans love Boris and they are more conservatively minded, with a small c, so the party appeals to them.foxinsoxuk said:
The Conservatives win the East European vote? Best be quick about that before they all get deported by Bill Cash and his mates!RoyalBlue said:
if the Conservatives could mobilise the East European vote, Khan would be crushed like the bug he is. Zac coming out for Leave doesn't help with that.SeanT said:
The endless parade of damaging, Muslimy stories must be eroding his support. I can't see him picking up many WWC or Jewish/Sikh/Hindu votes.isam said:
Not to mention ethnic quotasSeanT said:
I begin to think Sadiq Khan is seriously nasty. Not just accident prone or credulous, but actively and dangerously close to Islamism. The evidence is now overwhelming.john_zims said:Another Labour car crash.
'An aide to Labour mayoral candidate Sadiq Khan resigned today after the Evening Standard found pictures of him brandishing a gun and claiming he could be a hired “hitman”.
Shueb Salar posted a video online of himself with a rifle and bragged about spending a weekend “shooting stuff with real guns, knives, crossbows and bow and arrows”.
He added the joke comments #I’mASecretHitman and #ShoutMeIfYouWantMeToTakeCareOfSomeone and #I’llMakeItLookLikeAnAccident.
Mr Salar also added emoticons showing a knife, a pistol and a thumb’s up.'
This piece of work CANNOT be Mayor of London.
More importantly, how deep does this gangrene go within Labour? If they can let an Islamist fellow traveller like Khan become their mayoral candidate, FOR LONDON, what other sections of the party are quietly rotting away?
Incredible that he is likely to be our Mayor
He will get the Guardianista left, the lower middle class Labour loyalists, and his fellow Muslims. Is that enough? Hmm.
Sadiq Khan will thrash Zac.0 -
What a laughing stock the British Chambers of Commerce are! The Kent chief expressed a preference for Remain and didn't lose his job,whilst Mr Longworth honourably resigned over his preference for Leave. This is an organisation that's only mouthpiece pre-2009 was always to call for lower interest rates come what may to encourage more spending. Why should anybody take any notice of what they say any more? Time for M&S, Debenhams, John Lewis et al to form their own breakaway organisation and bring this pathetic charade of the BCC to a close:
http://order-order.com/2016/03/07/remain-supporting-bcc-chief-keeps-job/
Seems like No 10 did speak to them:
A Number 10 spokeswoman admitted there had been a conversation between an official and the business group but refused to give a "blow-by-blow" account of discussions and denied there was any pressure for Mr Longworth to be suspended.0 -
I think you will find that he was initially suspended for stating his position and then it was mutually agreed by his board and himself that he would resign. However the whole story from both sides is, like most of this campaign so far, just tedious. At least Sharapova has proved that other news items are happeninghunchman said:What a laughing stock the British Chambers of Commerce are! The Kent chief expressed a preference for Remain and didn't lose his job,whilst Mr Longworth honourably resigned over his preference for Leave. This is an organisation that's only mouthpiece pre-2009 was always to call for lower interest rates come what may to encourage more spending. Why should anybody take any notice of what they say any more? Time for M&S, Debenhams, John Lewis et al to form their own breakaway organisation and bring this pathetic charade of the BCC to a close:
http://order-order.com/2016/03/07/remain-supporting-bcc-chief-keeps-job/0 -
I am +1255 net at the bookies on Kasich so can't really extract without tieing up capital on Betfair anyway. Some at 33s and some at 40s so not too much capital tied up.Wanderer said:
Is it just plausible that:Pulpstar said:
To be honest there's probably no value in either Kasich POTUS or GOP. But perhaps GOP is better. The GOP have to essentially break their own rules (Severely) for it to be anyone other than Trump or Cruz right now.EPG said:
Nice logic. I do struggle to see a Kasich nomination without a third-party Trump run...peter_from_putney said:If Kasich is fair value at 12/1 for the Republican nomination, which he probably isn't, then he's great value to become POTUS at 40/1 with Wm. Hill.
DYOR
But who is to say they won't ?
Anyway my GOP book looks more valuable than ever right now so I've more or less levelled it off.
Kasich wins Michigan
Kasich wins Ohio and gives appearance of momentum
Rubio loses Florida and drops out on the same day
In a 3-way contest Kasich emerges as a "better Rubio" and ends up close to Cruz (assuming Cruz is second) in delegates.
In the fabled brokered convention he is: 1) not significantly more of a stitch-up than Cruz and 2) has the delightful advantage of actually being likely to win the election.
The odds on that are a damn sight longer than 12/1
Just will keep him at zero in the POTUS market or slightly below zero...0 -
I reckon it'll be Ryan if anyone..Speedy said:
I doubt it.HYUFD said:
Kasich and Rubio will likely be gone from the race in just over a weekSpeedy said:I found a problem for Kasich and maybe Cruz:
https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/706873628944629761
Kasich needs 2000 signatures to be on the Pennsylvania primary ballot, he is just over the limit and Rubio is challenging him to court.
Cruz also has 2 court hearings over his signatures plus one for his eligibility due to his canadian citizenship.
Best case for Trump is that both Kasich and Cruz are out of the Pennsylvania ballot, stuff like that happens from time to time, it happened last in Virginia in 2012.
Kasich has good chances of winning Ohio.
Rubio's campaign is now Romney's, and Romney will keep Rubio in to deny as many delegates from the others as possible, in order to crown Romney the nominee in the convention.
Romney wields the knife so to speak...0 -
No one who commits the stitch up in the convention will win the GE.Wanderer said:
Is it just plausible that:Pulpstar said:
To be honest there's probably no value in either Kasich POTUS or GOP. But perhaps GOP is better. The GOP have to essentially break their own rules (Severely) for it to be anyone other than Trump or Cruz right now.EPG said:
Nice logic. I do struggle to see a Kasich nomination without a third-party Trump run...peter_from_putney said:If Kasich is fair value at 12/1 for the Republican nomination, which he probably isn't, then he's great value to become POTUS at 40/1 with Wm. Hill.
DYOR
But who is to say they won't ?
Anyway my GOP book looks more valuable than ever right now so I've more or less levelled it off.
Kasich wins Michigan
Kasich wins Ohio and gives appearance of momentum
Rubio loses Florida and drops out on the same day
In a 3-way contest Kasich emerges as a "better Rubio" and ends up close to Cruz (assuming Cruz is second) in delegates.
In the fabled brokered convention he is: 1) not significantly more of a stitch-up than Cruz and 2) has the delightful advantage of actually being likely to win the election.
The odds on that are a damn sight longer than 12/1
The supporters of the candidates who lose at the convention will riot in the streets.
And Trump & Cruz supporters are not ordinary people, they are fanatics and most of them armed fanatics.
These democrats in 1968 were not armed to the teeth:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUKzSsVmnpY0 -
'Good chance' perhaps but at the moment Trump leads Ohio, if Kasich loses Ohio he is gone. If Rubio loses Florida he is also out and would get virtually no further delegates even if he stayed in anyway, Romney has zero chance of being nominee, neither Trump nor Cruz delegates will vote for himSpeedy said:
I doubt it.HYUFD said:
Kasich and Rubio will likely be gone from the race in just over a weekSpeedy said:I found a problem for Kasich and maybe Cruz:
https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/706873628944629761
Kasich needs 2000 signatures to be on the Pennsylvania primary ballot, he is just over the limit and Rubio is challenging him to court.
Cruz also has 2 court hearings over his signatures plus one for his eligibility due to his canadian citizenship.
Best case for Trump is that both Kasich and Cruz are out of the Pennsylvania ballot, stuff like that happens from time to time, it happened last in Virginia in 2012.
Kasich has good chances of winning Ohio.
Rubio's campaign is now Romney's, and Romney will keep Rubio in to deny as many delegates from the others as possible, in order to crown Romney the nominee in the convention.0 -
All hell will break loose in the markets if Florida goes to Rubio or Kasich wins Ohio.
Mainly to Trump's price.0 -
This is a good clip about Romney and the GOP. I think long term Trump would be better served by losing the nomination, and being seen to lose the nomination in an unfair way due to the machinations of the GOP, and then be positioned well in 2020 with events dear boy events. Whoever becomes POTUS next January will not be a two term president, the oncoming sovereign debt crisis will see to that, and global capital flows will be very disruptive to the US over 2017-2020 with a much much stronger US dollar:Speedy said:
I doubt it.HYUFD said:
Kasich and Rubio will likely be gone from the race in just over a weekSpeedy said:I found a problem for Kasich and maybe Cruz:
https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/706873628944629761
Kasich needs 2000 signatures to be on the Pennsylvania primary ballot, he is just over the limit and Rubio is challenging him to court.
Cruz also has 2 court hearings over his signatures plus one for his eligibility due to his canadian citizenship.
Best case for Trump is that both Kasich and Cruz are out of the Pennsylvania ballot, stuff like that happens from time to time, it happened last in Virginia in 2012.
Kasich has good chances of winning Ohio.
Rubio's campaign is now Romney's, and Romney will keep Rubio in to deny as many delegates from the others as possible, in order to crown Romney the nominee in the convention.
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/north_america/2016-u-s-presidential-election/the-coming-insurrection-inside-the-republican-party/0 -
They are not going to crown Romney anything. Firstly, it doubles down on the anti-democratic aspect to pick someone who hasn't even been a candidate, has zero states, zero delegates and zero votes. Secondly, if you are going to bend the rules so far, why do it in favour of a proven loser like Romney?Speedy said:
I doubt it.HYUFD said:
Kasich and Rubio will likely be gone from the race in just over a weekSpeedy said:I found a problem for Kasich and maybe Cruz:
https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/706873628944629761
Kasich needs 2000 signatures to be on the Pennsylvania primary ballot, he is just over the limit and Rubio is challenging him to court.
Cruz also has 2 court hearings over his signatures plus one for his eligibility due to his canadian citizenship.
Best case for Trump is that both Kasich and Cruz are out of the Pennsylvania ballot, stuff like that happens from time to time, it happened last in Virginia in 2012.
Kasich has good chances of winning Ohio.
Rubio's campaign is now Romney's, and Romney will keep Rubio in to deny as many delegates from the others as possible, in order to crown Romney the nominee in the convention.
But the chances of a brokered convention are way less than some people think.0 -
Oh it will be Romney if it goes to the convention alright:Pulpstar said:
I reckon it'll be Ryan if anyone..Speedy said:
I doubt it.HYUFD said:
Kasich and Rubio will likely be gone from the race in just over a weekSpeedy said:I found a problem for Kasich and maybe Cruz:
https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/706873628944629761
Kasich needs 2000 signatures to be on the Pennsylvania primary ballot, he is just over the limit and Rubio is challenging him to court.
Cruz also has 2 court hearings over his signatures plus one for his eligibility due to his canadian citizenship.
Best case for Trump is that both Kasich and Cruz are out of the Pennsylvania ballot, stuff like that happens from time to time, it happened last in Virginia in 2012.
Kasich has good chances of winning Ohio.
Rubio's campaign is now Romney's, and Romney will keep Rubio in to deny as many delegates from the others as possible, in order to crown Romney the nominee in the convention.
Romney wields the knife so to speak...
https://twitter.com/randyprine/status/706871442835542016
https://twitter.com/WashTimes/status/706507945471844352
Romney is using Cruz, Kasich, and Rubio to snatch the nomination for himself.0 -
Won't Trump run if Romney is foisted? Isn't that the ultimate "don't do this" card?0
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When was the last time the GOP establishment cared about democracy?Wanderer said:
They are not going to crown Romney anything. Firstly, it doubles down on the anti-democratic aspect to pick someone who hasn't even been a candidate, has zero states, zero delegates and zero votes. Secondly, if you are going to bend the rules so far, why do it in favour of a proven loser like Romney?Speedy said:
I doubt it.HYUFD said:
Kasich and Rubio will likely be gone from the race in just over a weekSpeedy said:I found a problem for Kasich and maybe Cruz:
https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/706873628944629761
Kasich needs 2000 signatures to be on the Pennsylvania primary ballot, he is just over the limit and Rubio is challenging him to court.
Cruz also has 2 court hearings over his signatures plus one for his eligibility due to his canadian citizenship.
Best case for Trump is that both Kasich and Cruz are out of the Pennsylvania ballot, stuff like that happens from time to time, it happened last in Virginia in 2012.
Kasich has good chances of winning Ohio.
Rubio's campaign is now Romney's, and Romney will keep Rubio in to deny as many delegates from the others as possible, in order to crown Romney the nominee in the convention.
But the chances of a brokered convention are way less than some people think.
And they are so out of touch with reality they will go for Romney.0 -
It is mathematically impossible for him, for starters Trump crushes Romney 52-36 in the PPP Ohio poll and Cruz voters back Trump over Romney 44-39. Trump and Cruz delegates will have a majority no matter what so Romney cannot win!Speedy said:
Oh it will be Romney if it goes to the convention alright:Pulpstar said:
I reckon it'll be Ryan if anyone..Speedy said:
I doubt it.HYUFD said:
Kasich and Rubio will likely be gone from the race in just over a weekSpeedy said:I found a problem for Kasich and maybe Cruz:
https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/706873628944629761
Kasich needs 2000 signatures to be on the Pennsylvania primary ballot, he is just over the limit and Rubio is challenging him to court.
Cruz also has 2 court hearings over his signatures plus one for his eligibility due to his canadian citizenship.
Best case for Trump is that both Kasich and Cruz are out of the Pennsylvania ballot, stuff like that happens from time to time, it happened last in Virginia in 2012.
Kasich has good chances of winning Ohio.
Rubio's campaign is now Romney's, and Romney will keep Rubio in to deny as many delegates from the others as possible, in order to crown Romney the nominee in the convention.
Romney wields the knife so to speak...
https://twitter.com/randyprine/status/706871442835542016
https://twitter.com/WashTimes/status/706507945471844352
Romney is using Cruz, Kasich, and Rubio to snatch the nomination for himself.
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_OH_30716.pdf0 -
If Trump is still competitive (ahead by 3) post debate, on Katich's home turf then I would say he's home and dry overall.Speedy said:http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2016/03/trump-kasich-in-tight-ohio-race.html
Trump 38
Kasich 35
Cruz 15
Rubio 5
Trump 40
Kasich 55
I think Kasich is in prime position in Ohio.
Why have you ignored the Fox2Detroit Michigan poll which was carried out all post debate and gives Trump a 22% lead. You have told us that all the post debate polls show Trump's lead vanishing which is shall we say a little economical with the truth.
Seriously if anyone is daft enough to be betting on your tips they will be bankrupt by the end of the month!.0 -
If Trump was taking on anyone except Hillary he would probably be too old for 2016. He can't wait until 2020. Its now or never for him.hunchman said:
This is a good clip about Romney and the GOP. I think long term Trump would be better served by losing the nomination, and being seen to lose the nomination in an unfair way due to the machinations of the GOP, and then be positioned well in 2020 with events dear boy events. Whoever becomes POTUS next January will not be a two term president, the oncoming sovereign debt crisis will see to that, and global capital flows will be very disruptive to the US over 2017-2020 with a much much stronger US dollar:Speedy said:
I doubt it.HYUFD said:
Kasich and Rubio will likely be gone from the race in just over a weekSpeedy said:I found a problem for Kasich and maybe Cruz:
https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/706873628944629761
Kasich needs 2000 signatures to be on the Pennsylvania primary ballot, he is just over the limit and Rubio is challenging him to court.
Cruz also has 2 court hearings over his signatures plus one for his eligibility due to his canadian citizenship.
Best case for Trump is that both Kasich and Cruz are out of the Pennsylvania ballot, stuff like that happens from time to time, it happened last in Virginia in 2012.
Kasich has good chances of winning Ohio.
Rubio's campaign is now Romney's, and Romney will keep Rubio in to deny as many delegates from the others as possible, in order to crown Romney the nominee in the convention.
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/north_america/2016-u-s-presidential-election/the-coming-insurrection-inside-the-republican-party/
In fact the chances are that either of these candidates would end up being 1 term Presidents whether there is a melt down or not. The stresses and strains of the top job at that age asks a hell of a lot of anyone.0 -
Here is the key component of the Romney plan.HYUFD said:
'Good chance' perhaps but at the moment Trump leads Ohio, if Kasich loses Ohio he is gone. If Rubio loses Florida he is also out and would get virtually no further delegates even if he stayed in anyway, Romney has zero chance of being nominee, neither Trump nor Cruz delegates will vote for himSpeedy said:
I doubt it.HYUFD said:
Kasich and Rubio will likely be gone from the race in just over a weekSpeedy said:I found a problem for Kasich and maybe Cruz:
https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/706873628944629761
Kasich needs 2000 signatures to be on the Pennsylvania primary ballot, he is just over the limit and Rubio is challenging him to court.
Cruz also has 2 court hearings over his signatures plus one for his eligibility due to his canadian citizenship.
Best case for Trump is that both Kasich and Cruz are out of the Pennsylvania ballot, stuff like that happens from time to time, it happened last in Virginia in 2012.
Kasich has good chances of winning Ohio.
Rubio's campaign is now Romney's, and Romney will keep Rubio in to deny as many delegates from the others as possible, in order to crown Romney the nominee in the convention.
The delegates are bound to the candidates only in the first round.
If it goes to the second round they can vote for whoever they like.
And delegates selected to represent Trump and Cruz will probably be hand picked by the GOP to vote for the one they order on the second ballot.
Trump and Cruz will need the best legal team and lots of detailed organization to make sure their delegates are loyal to them and the GOP doesn't change the rules too much before the convention.
Goodnight.0 -
I highly doubt global capital flows will determine the 2020 election, nor will a strong US dollarhunchman said:
This is a good clip about Romney and the GOP. I think long term Trump would be better served by losing the nomination, and being seen to lose the nomination in an unfair way due to the machinations of the GOP, and then be positioned well in 2020 with events dear boy events. Whoever becomes POTUS next January will not be a two term president, the oncoming sovereign debt crisis will see to that, and global capital flows will be very disruptive to the US over 2017-2020 with a much much stronger US dollar:Speedy said:
I doubt it.HYUFD said:
Kasich and Rubio will likely be gone from the race in just over a weekSpeedy said:I found a problem for Kasich and maybe Cruz:
https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/706873628944629761
Kasich needs 2000 signatures to be on the Pennsylvania primary ballot, he is just over the limit and Rubio is challenging him to court.
Cruz also has 2 court hearings over his signatures plus one for his eligibility due to his canadian citizenship.
Best case for Trump is that both Kasich and Cruz are out of the Pennsylvania ballot, stuff like that happens from time to time, it happened last in Virginia in 2012.
Kasich has good chances of winning Ohio.
Rubio's campaign is now Romney's, and Romney will keep Rubio in to deny as many delegates from the others as possible, in order to crown Romney the nominee in the convention.
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/north_america/2016-u-s-presidential-election/the-coming-insurrection-inside-the-republican-party/0 -
Michigan? Looks like it is going to be like South Carolina, with Trump continuing to tally well under a majority but facing split opposition (now, Cruz and Kasich)
Idaho is closed-primary not a caucus as I thought. There's a two-week stale poll with Trump well ahead, but it was a really weird poll with enough Carson and undecided voters that I think Cruz should in fact be favoured given his good press since the latest debate. I think only Cruz and Trump will get delegates (>20 per cent of popular vote)
Mississippi is shaping up to be another Cruz v Trump bruiser
So this week, be negative Rubio and maybe - slightly - Trump!0 -
I got more evidence than 3 polls, I got votes:OllyT said:
If Trump is still competitive (ahead by 3) post debate, on Katich's home turf then I would say he's home and dry overall.Speedy said:http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2016/03/trump-kasich-in-tight-ohio-race.html
Trump 38
Kasich 35
Cruz 15
Rubio 5
Trump 40
Kasich 55
I think Kasich is in prime position in Ohio.
Why have you ignored the Fox2Detroit Michigan poll which was carried out all post debate and gives Trump a 22% lead. You have told us that all the post debate polls show Trump's lead vanishing which is shall we say a little economical with the truth.
Seriously if anyone is daft enough to be betting on your tips they will be bankrupt by the end of the month!.
https://twitter.com/bycoffe/status/706332494258376704
If you had followed my debate verdict on Friday morning and placed a bet on Cruz, by Sunday morning you would have been in the black.0 -
We all need to make our own judgements as bettors, @Speedy isn't responsible for anyone's trading decisions.OllyT said:
If Trump is still competitive (ahead by 3) post debate, on Katich's home turf then I would say he's home and dry overall.Speedy said:http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2016/03/trump-kasich-in-tight-ohio-race.html
Trump 38
Kasich 35
Cruz 15
Rubio 5
Trump 40
Kasich 55
I think Kasich is in prime position in Ohio.
Why have you ignored the Fox2Detroit Michigan poll which was carried out all post debate and gives Trump a 22% lead. You have told us that all the post debate polls show Trump's lead vanishing which is shall we say a little economical with the truth.
Seriously if anyone is daft enough to be betting on your tips they will be bankrupt by the end of the month!.0 -
If you'd followed Nate Silver's advice you'd be massively underwater at this point.Pulpstar said:
We all need to make our own judgements as bettors, @Speedy isn't responsible for anyone's trading decisions.OllyT said:
If Trump is still competitive (ahead by 3) post debate, on Katich's home turf then I would say he's home and dry overall.Speedy said:http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2016/03/trump-kasich-in-tight-ohio-race.html
Trump 38
Kasich 35
Cruz 15
Rubio 5
Trump 40
Kasich 55
I think Kasich is in prime position in Ohio.
Why have you ignored the Fox2Detroit Michigan poll which was carried out all post debate and gives Trump a 22% lead. You have told us that all the post debate polls show Trump's lead vanishing which is shall we say a little economical with the truth.
Seriously if anyone is daft enough to be betting on your tips they will be bankrupt by the end of the month!.0 -
Of course in 1968 Humphrey almost beat Nixon who won by less than 1%, when the anti war McGovern won the nomination in 1972 Nixon trounced himSpeedy said:
No one who commits the stitch up in the convention will win the GE.Wanderer said:
Is it just plausible that:Pulpstar said:
To be honest there's probably no value in either Kasich POTUS or GOP. But perhaps GOP is better. The GOP have to essentially break their own rules (Severely) for it to be anyone other than Trump or Cruz right now.EPG said:
Nice logic. I do struggle to see a Kasich nomination without a third-party Trump run...peter_from_putney said:If Kasich is fair value at 12/1 for the Republican nomination, which he probably isn't, then he's great value to become POTUS at 40/1 with Wm. Hill.
DYOR
But who is to say they won't ?
Anyway my GOP book looks more valuable than ever right now so I've more or less levelled it off.
Kasich wins Michigan
Kasich wins Ohio and gives appearance of momentum
Rubio loses Florida and drops out on the same day
In a 3-way contest Kasich emerges as a "better Rubio" and ends up close to Cruz (assuming Cruz is second) in delegates.
In the fabled brokered convention he is: 1) not significantly more of a stitch-up than Cruz and 2) has the delightful advantage of actually being likely to win the election.
The odds on that are a damn sight longer than 12/1
The supporters of the candidates who lose at the convention will riot in the streets.
And Trump & Cruz supporters are not ordinary people, they are fanatics and most of them armed fanatics.
These democrats in 1968 were not armed to the teeth:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUKzSsVmnpY0 -
Delegates elected to vote for Trump and Cruz will be Trump and Cruz supporters, they are certainly not going to vote for Romney.Speedy said:
Here is the key component of the Romney plan.HYUFD said:
'Good chance' perhaps but at the moment Trump leads Ohio, if Kasich loses Ohio he is gone. If Rubio loses Florida he is also out and would get virtually no further delegates even if he stayed in anyway, Romney has zero chance of being nominee, neither Trump nor Cruz delegates will vote for himSpeedy said:
I doubt it.HYUFD said:
Kasich and Rubio will likely be gone from the race in just over a weekSpeedy said:I found a problem for Kasich and maybe Cruz:
https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/706873628944629761
Kasich needs 2000 signatures to be on the Pennsylvania primary ballot, he is just over the limit and Rubio is challenging him to court.
Cruz also has 2 court hearings over his signatures plus one for his eligibility due to his canadian citizenship.
Best case for Trump is that both Kasich and Cruz are out of the Pennsylvania ballot, stuff like that happens from time to time, it happened last in Virginia in 2012.
Kasich has good chances of winning Ohio.
Rubio's campaign is now Romney's, and Romney will keep Rubio in to deny as many delegates from the others as possible, in order to crown Romney the nominee in the convention.
The delegates are bound to the candidates only in the first round.
If it goes to the second round they can vote for whoever they like.
And delegates selected to represent Trump and Cruz will probably be hand picked by the GOP to vote for the one they order on the second ballot.
Trump and Cruz will need the best legal team and lots of detailed organization to make sure their delegates are loyal to them and the GOP doesn't change the rules too much before the convention.
Goodnight.0 -
@bpolitics: Michael Bloomberg Says He Won't Run for President in 2016 https://t.co/BPVRAwsilM0
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That is a great piece of video. HH would have been a great President.HYUFD said:
Of course in 1968 Humphrey almost beat Nixon who won by less than 1%, when the anti war McGovern won the nomination in 1972 Nixon trounced himSpeedy said:
No one who commits the stitch up in the convention will win the GE.Wanderer said:
Is it just plausible that:Pulpstar said:
To be honest there's probably no value in either Kasich POTUS or GOP. But perhaps GOP is better. The GOP have to essentially break their own rules (Severely) for it to be anyone other than Trump or Cruz right now.EPG said:
Nice logic. I do struggle to see a Kasich nomination without a third-party Trump run...peter_from_putney said:If Kasich is fair value at 12/1 for the Republican nomination, which he probably isn't, then he's great value to become POTUS at 40/1 with Wm. Hill.
DYOR
But who is to say they won't ?
Anyway my GOP book looks more valuable than ever right now so I've more or less levelled it off.
Kasich wins Michigan
Kasich wins Ohio and gives appearance of momentum
Rubio loses Florida and drops out on the same day
In a 3-way contest Kasich emerges as a "better Rubio" and ends up close to Cruz (assuming Cruz is second) in delegates.
In the fabled brokered convention he is: 1) not significantly more of a stitch-up than Cruz and 2) has the delightful advantage of actually being likely to win the election.
The odds on that are a damn sight longer than 12/1
The supporters of the candidates who lose at the convention will riot in the streets.
And Trump & Cruz supporters are not ordinary people, they are fanatics and most of them armed fanatics.
These democrats in 1968 were not armed to the teeth:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUKzSsVmnpY0 -
Now can Betfair please please please put him to 1000-1.Scott_P said:@bpolitics: Michael Bloomberg Says He Won't Run for President in 2016 https://t.co/BPVRAwsilM
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It's not Romney himself but an election organization that is Romney's:Pong said:@speedy
Perhaps I'm not getting something, but the link in your tweet said;
"Mitt Romney has filed paperwork with FEC to run in the current election"
Where's the evidence?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/3/6/1496911/--Romney-For-President-Inc-filed-with-FEC-Feb-1-20160 -
rcs1000 might have gave him my advice.Scott_P said:@bpolitics: Michael Bloomberg Says He Won't Run for President in 2016 https://t.co/BPVRAwsilM
There goes the last chance for the republicans to win the election.
Goodnight.0 -
Spoilsport.Scott_P said:@bpolitics: Michael Bloomberg Says He Won't Run for President in 2016 https://t.co/BPVRAwsilM
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I think the other problem with Romney's plan - if that is what he is planning - is that I do not think Cruz would go along with it: if Trump is deemed to be unfairly denied, it will split the Republicans in two; but if Cruz vetoes what is seen to be unfair machinations directed at Trump, then he is in a good position to pick up Trump's support base if the latter loses the election to HRC. Cruz is young enough to be able to go again in 2020.HYUFD said:
Delegates elected to vote for Trump and Cruz will be Trump and Cruz supporters, they are certainly not going to vote for Romney.Speedy said:
Here is the key component of the Romney plan.HYUFD said:
'Good chance' perhaps but at the moment Trump leads Ohio, if Kasich loses Ohio he is gone. If Rubio loses Florida he is also out and would get virtually no further delegates even if he stayed in anyway, Romney has zero chance of being nominee, neither Trump nor Cruz delegates will vote for himSpeedy said:
I doubt it.HYUFD said:
Kasich and Rubio will likely be gone from the race in just over a weekSpeedy said:I found a problem for Kasich and maybe Cruz:
https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/706873628944629761
Kasich needs 2000 signatures to be on the Pennsylvania primary ballot, he is just over the limit and Rubio is challenging him to court.
Cruz also has 2 court hearings over his signatures plus one for his eligibility due to his canadian citizenship.
Best case for Trump is that both Kasich and Cruz are out of the Pennsylvania ballot, stuff like that happens from time to time, it happened last in Virginia in 2012.
Kasich has good chances of winning Ohio.
Rubio's campaign is now Romney's, and Romney will keep Rubio in to deny as many delegates from the others as possible, in order to crown Romney the nominee in the convention.
The delegates are bound to the candidates only in the first round.
If it goes to the second round they can vote for whoever they like.
And delegates selected to represent Trump and Cruz will probably be hand picked by the GOP to vote for the one they order on the second ballot.
Trump and Cruz will need the best legal team and lots of detailed organization to make sure their delegates are loyal to them and the GOP doesn't change the rules too much before the convention.
Goodnight.0 -
Yes, one of the great 'nearly' men of US politics, though of course he was Vice President.foxinsoxuk said:
That is a great piece of video. HH would have been a great President.HYUFD said:
Of course in 1968 Humphrey almost beat Nixon who won by less than 1%, when the anti war McGovern won the nomination in 1972 Nixon trounced himSpeedy said:
No one who commits the stitch up in the convention will win the GE.Wanderer said:
Is it just plausible that:Pulpstar said:
To be honest there's probably no value in either Kasich POTUS or GOP. But perhaps GOP is better. The GOP have to essentially break their own rules (Severely) for it to be anyone other than Trump or Cruz right now.EPG said:
Nice logic. I do struggle to see a Kasich nomination without a third-party Trump run...peter_from_putney said:If Kasich is fair value at 12/1 for the Republican nomination, which he probably isn't, then he's great value to become POTUS at 40/1 with Wm. Hill.
DYOR
But who is to say they won't ?
Anyway my GOP book looks more valuable than ever right now so I've more or less levelled it off.
Kasich wins Michigan
Kasich wins Ohio and gives appearance of momentum
Rubio loses Florida and drops out on the same day
In a 3-way contest Kasich emerges as a "better Rubio" and ends up close to Cruz (assuming Cruz is second) in delegates.
In the fabled brokered convention he is: 1) not significantly more of a stitch-up than Cruz and 2) has the delightful advantage of actually being likely to win the election.
The odds on that are a damn sight longer than 12/1
The supporters of the candidates who lose at the convention will riot in the streets.
And Trump & Cruz supporters are not ordinary people, they are fanatics and most of them armed fanatics.
These democrats in 1968 were not armed to the teeth:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUKzSsVmnpY
Humphrey calls LBJ on election night
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YttmffiWyjA
In 1972 Humphrey personally phoned Nixon to apologise for having had to campaign for McGovern
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56dBfyeH2DM0 -
With Hillary beating Sanders that was becoming increasingly unlikely, now confirmedSpeedy said:
rcs1000 might have gave him my advice.Scott_P said:@bpolitics: Michael Bloomberg Says He Won't Run for President in 2016 https://t.co/BPVRAwsilM
There goes the last chance for the republicans to win the election.
Goodnight.0 -
lol.Pulpstar said:
Now can Betfair please please please put him to 1000-1.Scott_P said:@bpolitics: Michael Bloomberg Says He Won't Run for President in 2016 https://t.co/BPVRAwsilM
Just made a final £20 out of Bloomberg.
Trading that man's political ambitions has been remarkably profitable.0 -
Knowing Betfair Michael Bloomberg will probably head back in at some point, so I've spent the full £2 to green him up.0
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Talking of which, vanilla email...Pulpstar said:
We all need to make our own judgements as bettors, @Speedy isn't responsible for anyone's trading decisions.OllyT said:
If Trump is still competitive (ahead by 3) post debate, on Katich's home turf then I would say he's home and dry overall.Speedy said:http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2016/03/trump-kasich-in-tight-ohio-race.html
Trump 38
Kasich 35
Cruz 15
Rubio 5
Trump 40
Kasich 55
I think Kasich is in prime position in Ohio.
Why have you ignored the Fox2Detroit Michigan poll which was carried out all post debate and gives Trump a 22% lead. You have told us that all the post debate polls show Trump's lead vanishing which is shall we say a little economical with the truth.
Seriously if anyone is daft enough to be betting on your tips they will be bankrupt by the end of the month!.0 -
Back Michael Bloomberg 140.95 £32.00Pong said:
lol.Pulpstar said:
Now can Betfair please please please put him to 1000-1.Scott_P said:@bpolitics: Michael Bloomberg Says He Won't Run for President in 2016 https://t.co/BPVRAwsilM
Just made a final £20 out of Bloomberg.
Trading that man's political ambitions has been remarkably profitable.
Lay Michael Bloomberg 94.13 £35.03
For me lol
But that laying includes some field lays to get back field cash.0 -
Yes, Cruz probably already has an eye on the 2020 nominationTheKitchenCabinet said:
I think the other problem with Romney's plan - if that is what he is planning - is that I do not think Cruz would go along with it: if Trump is deemed to be unfairly denied, it will split the Republicans in two; but if Cruz vetoes what is seen to be unfair machinations directed at Trump, then he is in a good position to pick up Trump's support base if the latter loses the election to HRC. Cruz is young enough to be able to go again in 2020.HYUFD said:
Delegates elected to vote for Trump and Cruz will be Trump and Cruz supporters, they are certainly not going to vote for Romney.Speedy said:
Here is the key component of the Romney plan.HYUFD said:
'Good chance' perhaps but at the moment Trump leads Ohio, if Kasich loses Ohio he is gone. If Rubio loses Florida he is also out and would get virtually no further delegates even if he stayed in anyway, Romney has zero chance of being nominee, neither Trump nor Cruz delegates will vote for himSpeedy said:
I doubt it.HYUFD said:
Kasich and Rubio will likely be gone from the race in just over a weekSpeedy said:I found a problem for Kasich and maybe Cruz:
https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/706873628944629761
Kasich needs 2000 signatures to be on the Pennsylvania primary ballot, he is just over the limit and Rubio is challenging him to court.
Cruz also has 2 court hearings over his signatures plus one for his eligibility due to his canadian citizenship.
Best case for Trump is that both Kasich and Cruz are out of the Pennsylvania ballot, stuff like that happens from time to time, it happened last in Virginia in 2012.
Kasich has good chances of winning Ohio.
Rubio's campaign is now Romney's, and Romney will keep Rubio in to deny as many delegates from the others as possible, in order to crown Romney the nominee in the convention.
The delegates are bound to the candidates only in the first round.
If it goes to the second round they can vote for whoever they like.
And delegates selected to represent Trump and Cruz will probably be hand picked by the GOP to vote for the one they order on the second ballot.
Trump and Cruz will need the best legal team and lots of detailed organization to make sure their delegates are loyal to them and the GOP doesn't change the rules too much before the convention.
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Capital flows in times of trouble become a political issue, as politicians come under pressure to put in place capital controls. It happened in the Great Depression and I predict it will happen over the next 4 years too. The US will come under pressure from its exporters with the strong US dollar unable to sell much abroad. And the Federal Reserve has already come under massive pressure from the rest of the world - Janet Yellen wanted to raise US interest rates last June and was ambushed by the IMF - the US is facing a classic conflicting objective in setting monetary policy from domestic considerations as well as international considerations. Emerging market countries were screaming at the US not to raise rates owing to many of them having a large amount of US$ debt - they've issued $9 trillion in US debt since 2008 alone. That bill is coming due, and isn't going to be a happy one with the strengthening US dollar.HYUFD said:
I highly doubt global capital flows will determine the 2020 election, nor will a strong US dollarhunchman said:
This is a good clip about Romney and the GOP. I think long term Trump would be better served by losing the nomination, and being seen to lose the nomination in an unfair way due to the machinations of the GOP, and then be positioned well in 2020 with events dear boy events. Whoever becomes POTUS next January will not be a two term president, the oncoming sovereign debt crisis will see to that, and global capital flows will be very disruptive to the US over 2017-2020 with a much much stronger US dollar:Speedy said:
I doubt it.HYUFD said:
Kasich and Rubio will likely be gone from the race in just over a weekSpeedy said:I found a problem for Kasich and maybe Cruz:
https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/706873628944629761
Kasich needs 2000 signatures to be on the Pennsylvania primary ballot, he is just over the limit and Rubio is challenging him to court.
Cruz also has 2 court hearings over his signatures plus one for his eligibility due to his canadian citizenship.
Best case for Trump is that both Kasich and Cruz are out of the Pennsylvania ballot, stuff like that happens from time to time, it happened last in Virginia in 2012.
Kasich has good chances of winning Ohio.
Rubio's campaign is now Romney's, and Romney will keep Rubio in to deny as many delegates from the others as possible, in order to crown Romney the nominee in the convention.
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/north_america/2016-u-s-presidential-election/the-coming-insurrection-inside-the-republican-party/0 -
"Although we’ll never know precisely how the different generations voted in 2015, best estimates suggest that around 43% of 18-24 year olds voted compared to around 78% of over 65s. With 6m 18-24 year olds in the UK and over 11 million over 65s that means that the over 65s carry more than three and a half times more weight than the youngest cohort."HYUFD said:
Nearly 60% of 18-24s voted at the general election according to the BES, a bit lower than the overall figure of 66% but not vastly soTCPoliticalBetting said:
That may be correct. But first why are the polling companies weighting Young voters vs 65+ in a way that is disproportionate with how they voted at the GE?HYUFD said:
At the general election the Tories benefited from support from both high turnout groups, the old and the middle class, at the referendum the middle classes will back Remain while the old will back Leave thus somewhat cancelling each other outTCPoliticalBetting said:TIME TO CHALLENGE POLLING WEIGHTINGS
1. The betting markets are influenced by the polls (Statement of the bleeding obvious).
2. Key to this is how accurate are the polls (2nd Statement of the bleeding obvious).
4. One of the major causes of inaccurate polls for the GE was having too many young voters and too few 65+ Conservative leaning voters in the polling samples.
5. Yougov stated in an recent article that for every voter in 18-24 range there should be 3 in the 65+ range.
6. So why in the 2nd & 3rd March Yougov data was there just a weighting of 197 18-25 and only 356 65+ ? This produced a small REMAIN 3% (40%) lead whereas it probably should have been ?????
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/generalelection/general-election-2015-highest-turnout-since-1997-10235076.html
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/02/26/analysis-dont-get-too-comfortable-out-campaign-has/
The BES data is from just a few days after the GE. The Yougov data is from last month. As well as turnout there are almost twice as many 65+ people than in the 18-24 segment.
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Carole Malone @thecarolemalone
Hounding John Longworth out of his job was shameful. What next - Cameron having people arrested for what they think http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/turning-britain-democracy-dictatorship-hounding-7511809 …
Front of the mail doesn't look good for No10.
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ITV News at Ten, Turkish PM, getting VIP treatment in Brussels (nice!) states "Turkey is ready to join the EU" .... and he's not being discouraged by an EU, apparently desperate to stop the flow of migrants ... Meanwhile, in Turkey an increasingly authoritarian government is taking over major (criticising) newspapers and hosing down protesters ..... Turkey Join not good for REmain .... But, they can have our place ...0
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Just when you thought the car-crash of the Republican race was finally coming to an end, Romney turns up with a couple of transporters full of supercars...Speedy said:
Oh it will be Romney if it goes to the convention alright:Pulpstar said:
I reckon it'll be Ryan if anyone..Speedy said:
I doubt it.HYUFD said:
Kasich and Rubio will likely be gone from the race in just over a weekSpeedy said:I found a problem for Kasich and maybe Cruz:
https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/706873628944629761
Kasich needs 2000 signatures to be on the Pennsylvania primary ballot, he is just over the limit and Rubio is challenging him to court.
Cruz also has 2 court hearings over his signatures plus one for his eligibility due to his canadian citizenship.
Best case for Trump is that both Kasich and Cruz are out of the Pennsylvania ballot, stuff like that happens from time to time, it happened last in Virginia in 2012.
Kasich has good chances of winning Ohio.
Rubio's campaign is now Romney's, and Romney will keep Rubio in to deny as many delegates from the others as possible, in order to crown Romney the nominee in the convention.
Romney wields the knife so to speak...
https://twitter.com/randyprine/status/706871442835542016
https://twitter.com/WashTimes/status/706507945471844352
Romney is using Cruz, Kasich, and Rubio to snatch the nomination for himself.0 -
That's a very good point.TheKitchenCabinet said:
I think the other problem with Romney's plan - if that is what he is planning - is that I do not think Cruz would go along with it: if Trump is deemed to be unfairly denied, it will split the Republicans in two; but if Cruz vetoes what is seen to be unfair machinations directed at Trump, then he is in a good position to pick up Trump's support base if the latter loses the election to HRC. Cruz is young enough to be able to go again in 2020.
US-based posters might have another opinion but my understanding is that it is absolutely essential, in US politics, to be seen to cheerfully accept the verdict of the voters. Anyone who is party to a stitch-up will be trying to justify it for the rest of their careers and will be finished in Presidential politics.0 -
I'll take the Bloomberg.com article on face value.rcs1000 said:
D-day is Friday, with a possible extension over the weekend. But my friend thinks he'll bottle it.Pulpstar said:Knowing Betfair Michael Bloomberg will probably head back in at some point, so I've spent the full £2 to green him up.
Good news for Hillary directly that there's no BB 3rd party bid - but more importantly, It implies Bloomberg has concluded she's not particularly vulnerable re; FBI stuff.
Of course, he still might throw everything behind some other 3rd party candidate or something
Anyway, I've topped up on Hillary @ 1.54
I know, I've surprised even myself.0 -
Exclusive: David Cameron aide complained about John Longworth to British Chambers of Commerce hours before he was suspended
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12186850/Exclusive-David-Cameron-aide-complained-about-John-Longworth-to-British-Chambers-of-Commerce-hours-before-he-was-suspended.html0 -
Its on a witch hunt at present, indeed it is behaving no different to the express with a fierce and very biased anti EU agenda. It is hanging on to it's daily delivery to our house only because of my wife's addiction to it's puzzlesTykejohnno said:Carole Malone @thecarolemalone
Hounding John Longworth out of his job was shameful. What next - Cameron having people arrested for what they think http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/turning-britain-democracy-dictatorship-hounding-7511809 …
Front of the mail doesn't look good for No10.0 -
I'm temporarily back because I found this nice video that tells you who the GOP "insiders" are, what are they doing, and what are they thinking about the race:
https://twitter.com/SHO_TheCircus/status/7069640548630323200 -
How much longer will the news be filled with migrant problems? Can it really go on for 4 more months? The news tonight on the EU considering setting a timetable for Turkey's entry to the EU and dropping visa requirements etc hardly helps the REMAIN cause. Or do our PB REMAINERS see this all as mere flesh wounds?0
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Unless that leads to mass unemployment it will not be significant at the ballot boxhunchman said:
Capital flows in times of trouble become a political issue, as politicians come under pressure to put in place capital controls. It happened in the Great Depression and I predict it will happen over the next 4 years too. The US will come under pressure from its exporters with the strong US dollar unable to sell much abroad. And the Federal Reserve has already come under massive pressure from the rest of the world - Janet Yellen wanted to raise US interest rates last June and was ambushed by the IMF - the US is facing a classic conflicting objective in setting monetary policy from domestic considerations as well as international considerations. Emerging market countries were screaming at the US not to raise rates owing to many of them having a large amount of US$ debt - they've issued $9 trillion in US debt since 2008 alone. That bill is coming due, and isn't going to be a happy one with the strengthening US dollar.HYUFD said:
I highly doubt global capital flows will determine the 2020 election, nor will a strong US dollarhunchman said:
This is a good clip about Romney and the GOP. I think long term Trump would be better served by losing the nomination, and being seen to lose the nomination in an unfair way due to the machinations of the GOP, and then be positioned well in 2020 with events dear boy events. Whoever becomes POTUS next January will not be a two term president, the oncoming sovereign debt crisis will see to that, and global capital flows will be very disruptive to the US over 2017-2020 with a much much stronger US dollar:Speedy said:
I doubt it.HYUFD said:
Kasich and Rubio will likely be gone from the race in just over a weekSpeedy said:I found a problem for Kasich and maybe Cruz:
https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/706873628944629761
Kasich needs 2000 signatures to be on the Pennsylvania primary ballot, he is just over the limit and Rubio is challenging him to court.
Cruz also has 2 court hearings over his signatures plus one for his eligibility due to his canadian citizenship.
Best case for Trump is that both Kasich and Cruz are out of the Pennsylvania ballot, stuff like that happens from time to time, it happened last in Virginia in 2012.
Kasich has good chances of winning Ohio.
Rubio's campaign is now Romney's, and Romney will keep Rubio in to deny as many delegates from the others as possible, in order to crown Romney the nominee in the convention.
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/north_america/2016-u-s-presidential-election/the-coming-insurrection-inside-the-republican-party/0 -
81% in the voodoo poll in the Mirror want to be out of the EU...Tykejohnno said:Carole Malone @thecarolemalone
Hounding John Longworth out of his job was shameful. What next - Cameron having people arrested for what they think http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/turning-britain-democracy-dictatorship-hounding-7511809 …
Front of the mail doesn't look good for No10.
The Labour-supporting Mirror. Awkward.0 -
So what, the BES data was obviously conducted from actual voters and the yougov figures are very vague. The point was on turnout as a percentageTCPoliticalBetting said:
"Although we’ll never know precisely how the different generations voted in 2015, best estimates suggest that around 43% of 18-24 year olds voted compared to around 78% of over 65s. With 6m 18-24 year olds in the UK and over 11 million over 65s that means that the over 65s carry more than three and a half times more weight than the youngest cohort."HYUFD said:
Nearly 60% of 18-24s voted at the general election according to the BES, a bit lower than the overall figure of 66% but not vastly soTCPoliticalBetting said:
That may be correct. But first why are the polling companies weighting Young voters vs 65+ in a way that is disproportionate with how they voted at the GE?HYUFD said:
At the general election the Tories benefited from support from both high turnout groups, the old and the middle class, at the referendum the middle classes will back Remain while the old will back Leave thus somewhat cancelling each other outTCPoliticalBetting said:TIME TO CHALLENGE POLLING WEIGHTINGS
1. The betting markets are influenced by the polls (Statement of the bleeding obvious).
2. Key to this is how accurate are the polls (2nd Statement of the bleeding obvious).
4. One of the major causes of inaccurate polls for the GE was having too many young voters and too few 65+ Conservative leaning voters in the polling samples.
5. Yougov stated in an recent article that for every voter in 18-24 range there should be 3 in the 65+ range.
6. So why in the 2nd & 3rd March Yougov data was there just a weighting of 197 18-25 and only 356 65+ ? This produced a small REMAIN 3% (40%) lead whereas it probably should have been ?????
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/generalelection/general-election-2015-highest-turnout-since-1997-10235076.html
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/02/26/analysis-dont-get-too-comfortable-out-campaign-has/
The BES data is from just a few days after the GE. The Yougov data is from last month. As well as turnout there are almost twice as many 65+ people than in the 18-24 segment.0 -
Lots of info in that article. Daniel Korski - the oaf who railroaded elderly retired military folk into political statements. Pass the sick bucket.Tykejohnno said:Exclusive: David Cameron aide complained about John Longworth to British Chambers of Commerce hours before he was suspended
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12186850/Exclusive-David-Cameron-aide-complained-about-John-Longworth-to-British-Chambers-of-Commerce-hours-before-he-was-suspended.html
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Its amazing that 10 years ago when Turkey was a good deal more democratic than it is today, that the EU blocked its wish to join, and now after Erdogan has dragged the country downhill, the EU is falling over itself to get Turkey into the club. You couldn't make it up. After all the Western meddling in Syria in order to facilitate the oil pipeline through there and overthrow the Assad regime with a puppet western facing government, it has come to this, never mind the human rights abuses, the abject treatment of the Kurds, and wanting to ratchet tensions and pi$$ off Russia even further.....well it takes the wretched EU to tick all those ghastly boxes.TCPoliticalBetting said:How much longer will the news be filled with migrant problems? Can it really go on for 4 more months? The news tonight on the EU considering setting a timetable for Turkey's entry to the EU and dropping visa requirements etc hardly helps the REMAIN cause. Or do our PB REMAINERS see this all as mere flesh wounds?
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Which makes Hilary's choice of VP interesting because of course he/she would likely be the nominee in 2020. Likewise her choice of SoS.DavidL said:
If Trump was taking on anyone except Hillary he would probably be too old for 2016. He can't wait until 2020. Its now or never for him.hunchman said:
This is a good clip about Romney and the GOP. I think long term Trump would be better served by losing the nomination, and being seen to lose the nomination in an unfair way due to the machinations of the GOP, and then be positioned well in 2020 with events dear boy events. Whoever becomes POTUS next January will not be a two term president, the oncoming sovereign debt crisis will see to that, and global capital flows will be very disruptive to the US over 2017-2020 with a much much stronger US dollar:Speedy said:
I doubt it.HYUFD said:
Kasich and Rubio will likely be gone from the race in just over a weekSpeedy said:I found a problem for Kasich and maybe Cruz:
https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/706873628944629761
Kasich needs 2000 signatures to be on the Pennsylvania primary ballot, he is just over the limit and Rubio is challenging him to court.
Cruz also has 2 court hearings over his signatures plus one for his eligibility due to his canadian citizenship.
Best case for Trump is that both Kasich and Cruz are out of the Pennsylvania ballot, stuff like that happens from time to time, it happened last in Virginia in 2012.
Kasich has good chances of winning Ohio.
Rubio's campaign is now Romney's, and Romney will keep Rubio in to deny as many delegates from the others as possible, in order to crown Romney the nominee in the convention.
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/north_america/2016-u-s-presidential-election/the-coming-insurrection-inside-the-republican-party/
In fact the chances are that either of these candidates would end up being 1 term Presidents whether there is a melt down or not. The stresses and strains of the top job at that age asks a hell of a lot of anyone.
But lets not forget Hilary is Mrs Clinton and Mr Clinton (and indeed herself) has been there and seen that so whilst it will not be presented as a duumvirate - and she may resent one - that combination might well keep her going for the whole 9 yards.0 -
No idea how this will pan out - it could go either way for or against but leave need to be very careful that they do not give an impression that they are cold and uncaring in what is proving to be a human tragedy of biblical proportionsTCPoliticalBetting said:How much longer will the news be filled with migrant problems? Can it really go on for 4 more months? The news tonight on the EU considering setting a timetable for Turkey's entry to the EU and dropping visa requirements etc hardly helps the REMAIN cause. Or do our PB REMAINERS see this all as mere flesh wounds?
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Bit of typical diplomatic flannel to get the Turks onside. Both they and the EU that the prospect of Turkish entry is further off than it has been in a decade.LewisDuckworth said:ITV News at Ten, Turkish PM, getting VIP treatment in Brussels (nice!) states "Turkey is ready to join the EU" .... and he's not being discouraged by an EU, apparently desperate to stop the flow of migrants ... Meanwhile, in Turkey an increasingly authoritarian government is taking over major (criticising) newspapers and hosing down protesters ..... Turkey Join not good for REmain .... But, they can have our place ...
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Ray Tomlinson, the man who invented email has died.
Although of course it had to be the case it is now so ubiquitous that it is strange to think that someone actually 'invented' email. RIP to someone who it can truly be said changed the world.
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/mar/07/ray-tomlinson-email-inventor-and-selector-of-symbol-dies-aged-740 -
By now the Yougov data on actual voting % by age should be coming from the marked register data and not a survey where the young usually are wrong about whether they will/are voting.HYUFD said:
So what, the BES data was obviously conducted from actual voters and the yougov figures are very vague. The point was on turnout as a percentageTCPoliticalBetting said:
"Although we’ll never know precisely how the different generations voted in 2015, best estimates suggest that around 43% of 18-24 year olds voted compared to around 78% of over 65s. With 6m 18-24 year olds in the UK and over 11 million over 65s that means that the over 65s carry more than three and a half times more weight than the youngest cohort."HYUFD said:
Nearly 60% of 18-24s voted at the general election according to the BES, a bit lower than the overall figure of 66% but not vastly soTCPoliticalBetting said:
That may be correct. But first why are the polling companies weighting Young voters vs 65+ in a way that is disproportionate with how they voted at the GE?HYUFD said:
At the general election the Tories benefited from support from both high turnout groups, the old and the middle class, at the referendum the middle classes will back Remain while the old will back Leave thus somewhat cancelling each other outTCPoliticalBetting said:TIME TO CHALLENGE POLLING WEIGHTINGS
1. The betting markets are influenced by the polls (Statement of the bleeding obvious).
2. Key to this is how accurate are the polls (2nd Statement of the bleeding obvious).
4. One of the major causes of inaccurate polls for the GE was having too many young voters and too few 65+ Conservative leaning voters in the polling samples.
5. Yougov stated in an recent article that for every voter in 18-24 range there should be 3 in the 65+ range.
6. So why in the 2nd & 3rd March Yougov data was there just a weighting of 197 18-25 and only 356 65+ ? This produced a small REMAIN 3% (40%) lead whereas it probably should have been ?????
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/generalelection/general-election-2015-highest-turnout-since-1997-10235076.html
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/02/26/analysis-dont-get-too-comfortable-out-campaign-has/
The BES data is from just a few days after the GE. The Yougov data is from last month. As well as turnout there are almost twice as many 65+ people than in the 18-24 segment.
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