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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    edited March 2016
    RodCrosby said:

    Pulpstar said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Looks like Rubio has picked up 5 delegates from Louisiana, after some last-minute rule change or clarification. [I still don't quite see how]
    http://www.lagop.com/blog/2016/3/6/lagop-congratulates-donald-trump-on-louisiana-victory
    I wish they'd stop doing that!

    They'll make up the rules to suit Marco as they go along.
    How does a guy who wins 11% statewide pick up a delegate in 5 out of the 6 CDs?
    And the CDs weren't even in the mix last time I looked...
    Cruz also bumped another delegate in LA, making it 18 apiece with Trump. Cruz therefore won more CD delegates than Trump, despite trailing in the popular vote...
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    isamisam Posts: 41,090
    john_zims said:

    @isam

    'It wont be long before daring to mention that Khan will do well in Tower Hamlets and Newham will be WAAAAYCIST'


    Was the former Mayor of Tower Hamlets also one of Khan's pals ?

    I dont know, but the local Tory is quick to make the link

    https://twitter.com/going4golds/status/643359744875491328
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,034
    RodCrosby said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Pulpstar said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Looks like Rubio has picked up 5 delegates from Louisiana, after some last-minute rule change or clarification. [I still don't quite see how]
    http://www.lagop.com/blog/2016/3/6/lagop-congratulates-donald-trump-on-louisiana-victory
    I wish they'd stop doing that!

    They'll make up the rules to suit Marco as they go along.
    How does a guy who wins 11% statewide pick up a delegate in 5 out of the 6 CDs?
    And the CDs weren't even in the mix last time I looked...
    Cruz also bumped another delegate in LA, making it 18 apiece with Trump. Cruz therefore won more CD delegates than Trump, despite trailing in the popular vote...
    Starting to smell some rather large rats ?
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    If Kasich is fair value at 12/1 for the Republican nomination, which he probably isn't, then he's great value to become POTUS at 40/1 with Wm. Hill.
    DYOR
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited March 2016
    http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2016/03/trump-kasich-in-tight-ohio-race.html

    Trump 38
    Kasich 35
    Cruz 15
    Rubio 5

    Trump 40
    Kasich 55

    I think Kasich is in prime position in Ohio.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Someone had a 5000/1 bet on Leciester. Chose to cash out for around £70k rather than hold on and hope for a £250,000 win if they get the title:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-35747633

    I am on for a pound each way, but only a poor 3000/1.

    Still, it will pay for my season ticket for a decade or so...
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,228

    HYUFD said:

    TIME TO CHALLENGE POLLING WEIGHTINGS
    1. The betting markets are influenced by the polls (Statement of the bleeding obvious).
    2. Key to this is how accurate are the polls (2nd Statement of the bleeding obvious).
    4. One of the major causes of inaccurate polls for the GE was having too many young voters and too few 65+ Conservative leaning voters in the polling samples.
    5. Yougov stated in an recent article that for every voter in 18-24 range there should be 3 in the 65+ range.
    6. So why in the 2nd & 3rd March Yougov data was there just a weighting of 197 18-25 and only 356 65+ ? This produced a small REMAIN 3% (40%) lead whereas it probably should have been ?????

    At the general election the Tories benefited from support from both high turnout groups, the old and the middle class, at the referendum the middle classes will back Remain while the old will back Leave thus somewhat cancelling each other out
    That may be correct. But first why are the polling companies weighting Young voters vs 65+ in a way that is disproportionate with how they voted at the GE?
    Nearly 60% of 18-24s voted at the general election according to the BES, a bit lower than the overall figure of 66% but not vastly so
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/generalelection/general-election-2015-highest-turnout-since-1997-10235076.html
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    EPGEPG Posts: 6,081

    If Kasich is fair value at 12/1 for the Republican nomination, which he probably isn't, then he's great value to become POTUS at 40/1 with Wm. Hill.
    DYOR

    Nice logic. I do struggle to see a Kasich nomination without a third-party Trump run...
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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Pulpstar said:

    RodCrosby said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Pulpstar said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Looks like Rubio has picked up 5 delegates from Louisiana, after some last-minute rule change or clarification. [I still don't quite see how]
    http://www.lagop.com/blog/2016/3/6/lagop-congratulates-donald-trump-on-louisiana-victory
    I wish they'd stop doing that!

    They'll make up the rules to suit Marco as they go along.
    How does a guy who wins 11% statewide pick up a delegate in 5 out of the 6 CDs?
    And the CDs weren't even in the mix last time I looked...
    Cruz also bumped another delegate in LA, making it 18 apiece with Trump. Cruz therefore won more CD delegates than Trump, despite trailing in the popular vote...
    Starting to smell some rather large rats ?
    Dunno. Does LA now count as a win for both Cruz and Trump?
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,221

    Sharapova failed a drugs test at the Australian Open:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/35750285

    I have more than a little sympathy for her, if her excuse turns out to be true.

    He was taking a substance for ten years as prescribed by a doctor, and then that substance was added to the banned drugs list in January. Yet she knew it by a different (non-generic?) name.

    I can imagine it's easy to do. Then again, she's supposed to be a professional ...
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    WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838

    TIME TO CHALLENGE POLLING WEIGHTINGS
    1. The betting markets are influenced by the polls (Statement of the bleeding obvious).
    2. Key to this is how accurate are the polls (2nd Statement of the bleeding obvious).
    4. One of the major causes of inaccurate polls for the GE was having too many young voters and too few 65+ Conservative leaning voters in the polling samples.
    5. Yougov stated in an recent article that for every voter in 18-24 range there should be 3 in the 65+ range.
    6. So why in the 2nd & 3rd March Yougov data was there just a weighting of 197 18-25 and only 356 65+ ? This produced a small REMAIN 3% (40%) lead whereas it probably should have been ?????

    Hmm. This sounds like polling trutherism, as practised by Republicans in 2012.
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    EPG said:

    If Kasich is fair value at 12/1 for the Republican nomination, which he probably isn't, then he's great value to become POTUS at 40/1 with Wm. Hill.
    DYOR

    Nice logic. I do struggle to see a Kasich nomination without a third-party Trump run...
    I agree, I'm working on a many a slip twixt cup and lip basis.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    RoyalBlue said:

    SeanT said:

    isam said:

    SeanT said:

    john_zims said:

    Another Labour car crash.


    'An aide to Labour mayoral candidate Sadiq Khan resigned today after the Evening Standard found pictures of him brandishing a gun and claiming he could be a hired “hitman”.

    Shueb Salar posted a video online of himself with a rifle and bragged about spending a weekend “shooting stuff with real guns, knives, crossbows and bow and arrows”.

    He added the joke comments #I’mASecretHitman and #ShoutMeIfYouWantMeToTakeCareOfSomeone and #I’llMakeItLookLikeAnAccident.

    Mr Salar also added emoticons showing a knife, a pistol and a thumb’s up.'

    I begin to think Sadiq Khan is seriously nasty. Not just accident prone or credulous, but actively and dangerously close to Islamism. The evidence is now overwhelming.

    This piece of work CANNOT be Mayor of London.

    More importantly, how deep does this gangrene go within Labour? If they can let an Islamist fellow traveller like Khan become their mayoral candidate, FOR LONDON, what other sections of the party are quietly rotting away?
    Not to mention ethnic quotas

    Incredible that he is likely to be our Mayor
    The endless parade of damaging, Muslimy stories must be eroding his support. I can't see him picking up many WWC or Jewish/Sikh/Hindu votes.

    He will get the Guardianista left, the lower middle class Labour loyalists, and his fellow Muslims. Is that enough? Hmm.

    if the Conservatives could mobilise the East European vote, Khan would be crushed like the bug he is. Zac coming out for Leave doesn't help with that.
    The Conservatives win the East European vote? Best be quick about that before they all get deported by Bill Cash and his mates!

    Sadiq Khan will thrash Zac.
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    Sharapova failed a drugs test at the Australian Open:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/35750285

    I can imagine it's easy to do. Then again, she's supposed to be a professional ...
    Indeed so, with managers, trainers, doctors and other advisors, etc. to look after her every need.
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    john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @foxinsoxuk.


    'The Conservatives win the East European vote? Best be quick about that before they all get deported by Bill Cash and his mates!

    Sadiq Khan will thrash Zac.'


    Are the Lib Dems putting up a candidate or not bothering this time ?

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    Speedy said:

    http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2016/03/trump-kasich-in-tight-ohio-race.html

    Trump 38
    Kasich 35
    Cruz 15
    Rubio 5

    Trump 40
    Kasich 55

    I think Kasich is in prime position in Ohio.

    Let's face it , if Kasich can't win Ohio as the State's Governor, then he doesn't have a prayer.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,228
    Speedy said:

    http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2016/03/trump-kasich-in-tight-ohio-race.html

    Trump 38
    Kasich 35
    Cruz 15
    Rubio 5

    Trump 40
    Kasich 55

    I think Kasich is in prime position in Ohio.

    He is the Governor of the state, Kasich should be leading Trump by 10 points in Ohio, not trailing him. One on one he may have a clear lead but it will not be one on one and he has to win his homestate to stay in the race
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    Speedy said:

    http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2016/03/trump-kasich-in-tight-ohio-race.html

    Trump 38
    Kasich 35
    Cruz 15
    Rubio 5

    Trump 40
    Kasich 55

    I think Kasich is in prime position in Ohio.

    http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_OH_30716.pdf

    Bottom of page 8 shows the weakness of your Romney/Trump analysis before. Far more corssover
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,034
    edited March 2016
    EPG said:

    If Kasich is fair value at 12/1 for the Republican nomination, which he probably isn't, then he's great value to become POTUS at 40/1 with Wm. Hill.
    DYOR

    Nice logic. I do struggle to see a Kasich nomination without a third-party Trump run...
    To be honest there's probably no value in either Kasich POTUS or GOP. But perhaps GOP is better. The GOP have to essentially break their own rules (Severely) for it to be anyone other than Trump or Cruz right now.
    But who is to say they won't ?

    Anyway my GOP book looks more valuable than ever right now so I've more or less levelled it off.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,787
    john_zims said:

    @foxinsoxuk.





    Are the Lib Dems putting up a candidate or not bothering this time ?

    It won't really impact on their vote tally whether they stand or not.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,013
    john_zims said:

    @foxinsoxuk.


    'The Conservatives win the East European vote? Best be quick about that before they all get deported by Bill Cash and his mates!

    Sadiq Khan will thrash Zac.'


    Are the Lib Dems putting up a candidate or not bothering this time ?

    Who are the Lib Dems?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,034
    Rubio will be destroyed by Hillary despite what the polls say, there are about 10 million Trump voters that ain't going to come out if he is robbed.
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    PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited March 2016

    Someone had a 5000/1 bet on Leciester. Chose to cash out for around £70k rather than hold on and hope for a £250,000 win if they get the title:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-35747633

    I am on for a pound each way, but only a poor 3000/1.

    Still, it will pay for my season ticket for a decade or so...
    I don't know if the punter in the bbc article did this or not, but...

    If you are going to cash out a payout that size on a fixed odds bet, rather than clicking the cashout button, it's probably worth calling up the bookie in question and negotiating a payout as close as possible to the betfair exchange odds. I'd expect to be able to increase the payout by a few per cent.

    In exchange for publicity, the bookies might be even more generous.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Speedy said:

    http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2016/03/trump-kasich-in-tight-ohio-race.html

    Trump 38
    Kasich 35
    Cruz 15
    Rubio 5

    Trump 40
    Kasich 55

    I think Kasich is in prime position in Ohio.

    http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_OH_30716.pdf

    Bottom of page 8 shows the weakness of your Romney/Trump analysis before. Far more corssover
    My rule of thumb wasn't far off thought.
    I said that Trump+Cruz is 52% and Kasich+Rubio is 36% based on the Trump/Romney numbers leaked, and the result was 53% and 40%.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,336
    isam said:

    john_zims said:

    @isam

    'It wont be long before daring to mention that Khan will do well in Tower Hamlets and Newham will be WAAAAYCIST'


    Was the former Mayor of Tower Hamlets also one of Khan's pals ?

    I dont know, but the local Tory is quick to make the link

    https://twitter.com/going4golds/status/643359744875491328
    Yet another "unfortunate" connection...
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,228
    Pulpstar said:

    EPG said:

    If Kasich is fair value at 12/1 for the Republican nomination, which he probably isn't, then he's great value to become POTUS at 40/1 with Wm. Hill.
    DYOR

    Nice logic. I do struggle to see a Kasich nomination without a third-party Trump run...
    To be honest there's probably no value in either Kasich POTUS or GOP. But perhaps GOP is better. The GOP have to essentially break their own rules (Severely) for it to be anyone other than Trump or Cruz right now.
    But who is to say they won't ?

    Anyway my GOP book looks more valuable than ever right now so I've more or less levelled it off.
    If Trump or Cruz win a majority of delegates they are the nominee and the GOP establishment can do nothing about it
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited March 2016
    Pulpstar said:

    Rubio will be destroyed by Hillary despite what the polls say, there are about 10 million Trump voters that ain't going to come out if he is robbed.

    Look at Rubio's favourability among republicans in Ohio he's at 33/51 for -18, the worst numbers of all candidates, even worse than Romney.
    If it's Rubio vs Hillary in Ohio you can guess the result.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,539
    Sean_F said:

    john_zims said:

    @foxinsoxuk.


    'The Conservatives win the East European vote? Best be quick about that before they all get deported by Bill Cash and his mates!

    Sadiq Khan will thrash Zac.'


    Are the Lib Dems putting up a candidate or not bothering this time ?

    Who are the Lib Dems?
    Come on Sean, you are old enough to remember.
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    philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704

    Sharapova failed a drugs test at the Australian Open:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/35750285

    I can imagine it's easy to do. Then again, she's supposed to be a professional ...
    Indeed so, with managers, trainers, doctors and other advisors, etc. to look after her every need.
    To be fair to her in the statement she said it is her fault, responsibility and she acknowledges she will have to face the consequences.

    A refreshingly honest response.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Pong said:

    Someone had a 5000/1 bet on Leciester. Chose to cash out for around £70k rather than hold on and hope for a £250,000 win if they get the title:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-35747633

    I am on for a pound each way, but only a poor 3000/1.

    Still, it will pay for my season ticket for a decade or so...
    I don't know if the punter in the bbc article did this or not, but...

    If you are going to cash out a payout that size on a fixed odds bet, rather than clicking the cashout button, it's probably worth calling up the bookie in question and negotiating a payout as close as possible to the betfair exchange odds. I'd expect to be able to increase the payout by a few per cent.

    In exchange for publicity, the bookies might be even more generous.
    I am not cashing out though! Too much fun, but may not endear me to Ladbrokes.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited March 2016
    I found a problem for Kasich and maybe Cruz:

    https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/706873628944629761

    Kasich needs 2000 signatures to be on the Pennsylvania primary ballot, he is just over the limit and Rubio is challenging him to court.
    Cruz also has 2 court hearings over his signatures plus one for his eligibility due to his canadian citizenship.

    Best case for Trump is that both Kasich and Cruz are out of the Pennsylvania ballot, stuff like that happens from time to time, it happened last in Virginia in 2012.
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    WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    Pulpstar said:

    EPG said:

    If Kasich is fair value at 12/1 for the Republican nomination, which he probably isn't, then he's great value to become POTUS at 40/1 with Wm. Hill.
    DYOR

    Nice logic. I do struggle to see a Kasich nomination without a third-party Trump run...
    To be honest there's probably no value in either Kasich POTUS or GOP. But perhaps GOP is better. The GOP have to essentially break their own rules (Severely) for it to be anyone other than Trump or Cruz right now.
    But who is to say they won't ?

    Anyway my GOP book looks more valuable than ever right now so I've more or less levelled it off.
    Is it just plausible that:

    Kasich wins Michigan
    Kasich wins Ohio and gives appearance of momentum
    Rubio loses Florida and drops out on the same day
    In a 3-way contest Kasich emerges as a "better Rubio" and ends up close to Cruz (assuming Cruz is second) in delegates.
    In the fabled brokered convention he is: 1) not significantly more of a stitch-up than Cruz and 2) has the delightful advantage of actually being likely to win the election.

    The odds on that are a damn sight longer than 12/1 :)
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,228
    Speedy said:

    I found a problem for Kasich and maybe Cruz:

    https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/706873628944629761

    Kasich needs 2000 signatures to be on the Pennsylvania primary ballot, he is just over the limit and Rubio is challenging him to court.
    Cruz also has 2 court hearings over his signatures plus one for his eligibility due to his canadian citizenship.

    Best case for Trump is that both Kasich and Cruz are out of the Pennsylvania ballot, stuff like that happens from time to time, it happened last in Virginia in 2012.

    Kasich and Rubio will likely be gone from the race in just over a week
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,667

    RoyalBlue said:

    SeanT said:

    isam said:

    SeanT said:

    john_zims said:

    Another Labour car crash.


    'An aide to Labour mayoral candidate Sadiq Khan resigned today after the Evening Standard found pictures of him brandishing a gun and claiming he could be a hired “hitman”.

    Shueb Salar posted a video online of himself with a rifle and bragged about spending a weekend “shooting stuff with real guns, knives, crossbows and bow and arrows”.

    He added the joke comments #I’mASecretHitman and #ShoutMeIfYouWantMeToTakeCareOfSomeone and #I’llMakeItLookLikeAnAccident.

    Mr Salar also added emoticons showing a knife, a pistol and a thumb’s up.'

    I begin to think Sadiq Khan is seriously nasty. Not just accident prone or credulous, but actively and dangerously close to Islamism. The evidence is now overwhelming.

    This piece of work CANNOT be Mayor of London.

    More importantly, how deep does this gangrene go within Labour? If they can let an Islamist fellow traveller like Khan become their mayoral candidate, FOR LONDON, what other sections of the party are quietly rotting away?
    Not to mention ethnic quotas

    Incredible that he is likely to be our Mayor
    The endless parade of damaging, Muslimy stories must be eroding his support. I can't see him picking up many WWC or Jewish/Sikh/Hindu votes.

    He will get the Guardianista left, the lower middle class Labour loyalists, and his fellow Muslims. Is that enough? Hmm.

    if the Conservatives could mobilise the East European vote, Khan would be crushed like the bug he is. Zac coming out for Leave doesn't help with that.
    The Conservatives win the East European vote? Best be quick about that before they all get deported by Bill Cash and his mates!

    Sadiq Khan will thrash Zac.
    Err, I've been out campaigning and every weekend we get Eastern Europeans helping out with leafleting and canvassing, quite a few as well. Eastern Europeans love Boris and they are more conservatively minded, with a small c, so the party appeals to them.
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    hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    What a laughing stock the British Chambers of Commerce are! The Kent chief expressed a preference for Remain and didn't lose his job,whilst Mr Longworth honourably resigned over his preference for Leave. This is an organisation that's only mouthpiece pre-2009 was always to call for lower interest rates come what may to encourage more spending. Why should anybody take any notice of what they say any more? Time for M&S, Debenhams, John Lewis et al to form their own breakaway organisation and bring this pathetic charade of the BCC to a close:

    http://order-order.com/2016/03/07/remain-supporting-bcc-chief-keeps-job/
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,336
    edited March 2016

    Sharapova failed a drugs test at the Australian Open:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/35750285

    I have more than a little sympathy for her, if her excuse turns out to be true.

    He was taking a substance for ten years as prescribed by a doctor, and then that substance was added to the banned drugs list in January. Yet she knew it by a different (non-generic?) name.

    I can imagine it's easy to do. Then again, she's supposed to be a professional ...
    Tennis authorities are a joke both on the testing front and also medical advice etc. Remember Greg Rusedski failed a doping test, due to being prescribed a drug by the official tour doctors which was on the banned list.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    I found a problem for Kasich and maybe Cruz:

    https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/706873628944629761

    Kasich needs 2000 signatures to be on the Pennsylvania primary ballot, he is just over the limit and Rubio is challenging him to court.
    Cruz also has 2 court hearings over his signatures plus one for his eligibility due to his canadian citizenship.

    Best case for Trump is that both Kasich and Cruz are out of the Pennsylvania ballot, stuff like that happens from time to time, it happened last in Virginia in 2012.

    Kasich and Rubio will likely be gone from the race in just over a week
    I doubt it.
    Kasich has good chances of winning Ohio.
    Rubio's campaign is now Romney's, and Romney will keep Rubio in to deny as many delegates from the others as possible, in order to crown Romney the nominee in the convention.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    MaxPB said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    SeanT said:

    isam said:

    SeanT said:

    john_zims said:

    Another Labour car crash.


    'An aide to Labour mayoral candidate Sadiq Khan resigned today after the Evening Standard found pictures of him brandishing a gun and claiming he could be a hired “hitman”.

    Shueb Salar posted a video online of himself with a rifle and bragged about spending a weekend “shooting stuff with real guns, knives, crossbows and bow and arrows”.

    He added the joke comments #I’mASecretHitman and #ShoutMeIfYouWantMeToTakeCareOfSomeone and #I’llMakeItLookLikeAnAccident.

    Mr Salar also added emoticons showing a knife, a pistol and a thumb’s up.'

    I begin to think Sadiq Khan is seriously nasty. Not just accident prone or credulous, but actively and dangerously close to Islamism. The evidence is now overwhelming.

    This piece of work CANNOT be Mayor of London.

    More importantly, how deep does this gangrene go within Labour? If they can let an Islamist fellow traveller like Khan become their mayoral candidate, FOR LONDON, what other sections of the party are quietly rotting away?
    Not to mention ethnic quotas

    Incredible that he is likely to be our Mayor
    The endless parade of damaging, Muslimy stories must be eroding his support. I can't see him picking up many WWC or Jewish/Sikh/Hindu votes.

    He will get the Guardianista left, the lower middle class Labour loyalists, and his fellow Muslims. Is that enough? Hmm.

    if the Conservatives could mobilise the East European vote, Khan would be crushed like the bug he is. Zac coming out for Leave doesn't help with that.
    The Conservatives win the East European vote? Best be quick about that before they all get deported by Bill Cash and his mates!

    Sadiq Khan will thrash Zac.
    Err, I've been out campaigning and every weekend we get Eastern Europeans helping out with leafleting and canvassing, quite a few as well. Eastern Europeans love Boris and they are more conservatively minded, with a small c, so the party appeals to them.
    Best not deport them then...
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    hunchman said:

    What a laughing stock the British Chambers of Commerce are! The Kent chief expressed a preference for Remain and didn't lose his job,whilst Mr Longworth honourably resigned over his preference for Leave. This is an organisation that's only mouthpiece pre-2009 was always to call for lower interest rates come what may to encourage more spending. Why should anybody take any notice of what they say any more? Time for M&S, Debenhams, John Lewis et al to form their own breakaway organisation and bring this pathetic charade of the BCC to a close:

    http://order-order.com/2016/03/07/remain-supporting-bcc-chief-keeps-job/

    I think you will find that he was initially suspended for stating his position and then it was mutually agreed by his board and himself that he would resign. However the whole story from both sides is, like most of this campaign so far, just tedious. At least Sharapova has proved that other news items are happening
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,034
    Wanderer said:

    Pulpstar said:

    EPG said:

    If Kasich is fair value at 12/1 for the Republican nomination, which he probably isn't, then he's great value to become POTUS at 40/1 with Wm. Hill.
    DYOR

    Nice logic. I do struggle to see a Kasich nomination without a third-party Trump run...
    To be honest there's probably no value in either Kasich POTUS or GOP. But perhaps GOP is better. The GOP have to essentially break their own rules (Severely) for it to be anyone other than Trump or Cruz right now.
    But who is to say they won't ?

    Anyway my GOP book looks more valuable than ever right now so I've more or less levelled it off.
    Is it just plausible that:

    Kasich wins Michigan
    Kasich wins Ohio and gives appearance of momentum
    Rubio loses Florida and drops out on the same day
    In a 3-way contest Kasich emerges as a "better Rubio" and ends up close to Cruz (assuming Cruz is second) in delegates.
    In the fabled brokered convention he is: 1) not significantly more of a stitch-up than Cruz and 2) has the delightful advantage of actually being likely to win the election.

    The odds on that are a damn sight longer than 12/1 :)
    I am +1255 net at the bookies on Kasich so can't really extract without tieing up capital on Betfair anyway. Some at 33s and some at 40s so not too much capital tied up.

    Just will keep him at zero in the POTUS market or slightly below zero...
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,034
    edited March 2016
    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    I found a problem for Kasich and maybe Cruz:

    https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/706873628944629761

    Kasich needs 2000 signatures to be on the Pennsylvania primary ballot, he is just over the limit and Rubio is challenging him to court.
    Cruz also has 2 court hearings over his signatures plus one for his eligibility due to his canadian citizenship.

    Best case for Trump is that both Kasich and Cruz are out of the Pennsylvania ballot, stuff like that happens from time to time, it happened last in Virginia in 2012.

    Kasich and Rubio will likely be gone from the race in just over a week
    I doubt it.
    Kasich has good chances of winning Ohio.
    Rubio's campaign is now Romney's, and Romney will keep Rubio in to deny as many delegates from the others as possible, in order to crown Romney the nominee in the convention.
    I reckon it'll be Ryan if anyone..

    Romney wields the knife so to speak...
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Wanderer said:

    Pulpstar said:

    EPG said:

    If Kasich is fair value at 12/1 for the Republican nomination, which he probably isn't, then he's great value to become POTUS at 40/1 with Wm. Hill.
    DYOR

    Nice logic. I do struggle to see a Kasich nomination without a third-party Trump run...
    To be honest there's probably no value in either Kasich POTUS or GOP. But perhaps GOP is better. The GOP have to essentially break their own rules (Severely) for it to be anyone other than Trump or Cruz right now.
    But who is to say they won't ?

    Anyway my GOP book looks more valuable than ever right now so I've more or less levelled it off.
    Is it just plausible that:

    Kasich wins Michigan
    Kasich wins Ohio and gives appearance of momentum
    Rubio loses Florida and drops out on the same day
    In a 3-way contest Kasich emerges as a "better Rubio" and ends up close to Cruz (assuming Cruz is second) in delegates.
    In the fabled brokered convention he is: 1) not significantly more of a stitch-up than Cruz and 2) has the delightful advantage of actually being likely to win the election.

    The odds on that are a damn sight longer than 12/1 :)
    No one who commits the stitch up in the convention will win the GE.
    The supporters of the candidates who lose at the convention will riot in the streets.

    And Trump & Cruz supporters are not ordinary people, they are fanatics and most of them armed fanatics.

    These democrats in 1968 were not armed to the teeth:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUKzSsVmnpY
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,228
    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    I found a problem for Kasich and maybe Cruz:

    https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/706873628944629761

    Kasich needs 2000 signatures to be on the Pennsylvania primary ballot, he is just over the limit and Rubio is challenging him to court.
    Cruz also has 2 court hearings over his signatures plus one for his eligibility due to his canadian citizenship.

    Best case for Trump is that both Kasich and Cruz are out of the Pennsylvania ballot, stuff like that happens from time to time, it happened last in Virginia in 2012.

    Kasich and Rubio will likely be gone from the race in just over a week
    I doubt it.
    Kasich has good chances of winning Ohio.
    Rubio's campaign is now Romney's, and Romney will keep Rubio in to deny as many delegates from the others as possible, in order to crown Romney the nominee in the convention.
    'Good chance' perhaps but at the moment Trump leads Ohio, if Kasich loses Ohio he is gone. If Rubio loses Florida he is also out and would get virtually no further delegates even if he stayed in anyway, Romney has zero chance of being nominee, neither Trump nor Cruz delegates will vote for him
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,034
    All hell will break loose in the markets if Florida goes to Rubio or Kasich wins Ohio.

    Mainly to Trump's price.
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    hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    I found a problem for Kasich and maybe Cruz:

    https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/706873628944629761

    Kasich needs 2000 signatures to be on the Pennsylvania primary ballot, he is just over the limit and Rubio is challenging him to court.
    Cruz also has 2 court hearings over his signatures plus one for his eligibility due to his canadian citizenship.

    Best case for Trump is that both Kasich and Cruz are out of the Pennsylvania ballot, stuff like that happens from time to time, it happened last in Virginia in 2012.

    Kasich and Rubio will likely be gone from the race in just over a week
    I doubt it.
    Kasich has good chances of winning Ohio.
    Rubio's campaign is now Romney's, and Romney will keep Rubio in to deny as many delegates from the others as possible, in order to crown Romney the nominee in the convention.
    This is a good clip about Romney and the GOP. I think long term Trump would be better served by losing the nomination, and being seen to lose the nomination in an unfair way due to the machinations of the GOP, and then be positioned well in 2020 with events dear boy events. Whoever becomes POTUS next January will not be a two term president, the oncoming sovereign debt crisis will see to that, and global capital flows will be very disruptive to the US over 2017-2020 with a much much stronger US dollar:

    https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/north_america/2016-u-s-presidential-election/the-coming-insurrection-inside-the-republican-party/
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    WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    I found a problem for Kasich and maybe Cruz:

    https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/706873628944629761

    Kasich needs 2000 signatures to be on the Pennsylvania primary ballot, he is just over the limit and Rubio is challenging him to court.
    Cruz also has 2 court hearings over his signatures plus one for his eligibility due to his canadian citizenship.

    Best case for Trump is that both Kasich and Cruz are out of the Pennsylvania ballot, stuff like that happens from time to time, it happened last in Virginia in 2012.

    Kasich and Rubio will likely be gone from the race in just over a week
    I doubt it.
    Kasich has good chances of winning Ohio.
    Rubio's campaign is now Romney's, and Romney will keep Rubio in to deny as many delegates from the others as possible, in order to crown Romney the nominee in the convention.
    They are not going to crown Romney anything. Firstly, it doubles down on the anti-democratic aspect to pick someone who hasn't even been a candidate, has zero states, zero delegates and zero votes. Secondly, if you are going to bend the rules so far, why do it in favour of a proven loser like Romney?

    But the chances of a brokered convention are way less than some people think.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited March 2016
    Pulpstar said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    I found a problem for Kasich and maybe Cruz:

    https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/706873628944629761

    Kasich needs 2000 signatures to be on the Pennsylvania primary ballot, he is just over the limit and Rubio is challenging him to court.
    Cruz also has 2 court hearings over his signatures plus one for his eligibility due to his canadian citizenship.

    Best case for Trump is that both Kasich and Cruz are out of the Pennsylvania ballot, stuff like that happens from time to time, it happened last in Virginia in 2012.

    Kasich and Rubio will likely be gone from the race in just over a week
    I doubt it.
    Kasich has good chances of winning Ohio.
    Rubio's campaign is now Romney's, and Romney will keep Rubio in to deny as many delegates from the others as possible, in order to crown Romney the nominee in the convention.
    I reckon it'll be Ryan if anyone..

    Romney wields the knife so to speak...
    Oh it will be Romney if it goes to the convention alright:

    https://twitter.com/randyprine/status/706871442835542016

    https://twitter.com/WashTimes/status/706507945471844352

    Romney is using Cruz, Kasich, and Rubio to snatch the nomination for himself.
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    EPGEPG Posts: 6,081
    Won't Trump run if Romney is foisted? Isn't that the ultimate "don't do this" card?
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Wanderer said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    I found a problem for Kasich and maybe Cruz:

    https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/706873628944629761

    Kasich needs 2000 signatures to be on the Pennsylvania primary ballot, he is just over the limit and Rubio is challenging him to court.
    Cruz also has 2 court hearings over his signatures plus one for his eligibility due to his canadian citizenship.

    Best case for Trump is that both Kasich and Cruz are out of the Pennsylvania ballot, stuff like that happens from time to time, it happened last in Virginia in 2012.

    Kasich and Rubio will likely be gone from the race in just over a week
    I doubt it.
    Kasich has good chances of winning Ohio.
    Rubio's campaign is now Romney's, and Romney will keep Rubio in to deny as many delegates from the others as possible, in order to crown Romney the nominee in the convention.
    They are not going to crown Romney anything. Firstly, it doubles down on the anti-democratic aspect to pick someone who hasn't even been a candidate, has zero states, zero delegates and zero votes. Secondly, if you are going to bend the rules so far, why do it in favour of a proven loser like Romney?

    But the chances of a brokered convention are way less than some people think.
    When was the last time the GOP establishment cared about democracy?
    And they are so out of touch with reality they will go for Romney.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,228
    Speedy said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    I found a problem for Kasich and maybe Cruz:

    https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/706873628944629761

    Kasich needs 2000 signatures to be on the Pennsylvania primary ballot, he is just over the limit and Rubio is challenging him to court.
    Cruz also has 2 court hearings over his signatures plus one for his eligibility due to his canadian citizenship.

    Best case for Trump is that both Kasich and Cruz are out of the Pennsylvania ballot, stuff like that happens from time to time, it happened last in Virginia in 2012.

    Kasich and Rubio will likely be gone from the race in just over a week
    I doubt it.
    Kasich has good chances of winning Ohio.
    Rubio's campaign is now Romney's, and Romney will keep Rubio in to deny as many delegates from the others as possible, in order to crown Romney the nominee in the convention.
    I reckon it'll be Ryan if anyone..

    Romney wields the knife so to speak...
    Oh it will be Romney if it goes to the convention alright:

    https://twitter.com/randyprine/status/706871442835542016

    https://twitter.com/WashTimes/status/706507945471844352

    Romney is using Cruz, Kasich, and Rubio to snatch the nomination for himself.
    It is mathematically impossible for him, for starters Trump crushes Romney 52-36 in the PPP Ohio poll and Cruz voters back Trump over Romney 44-39. Trump and Cruz delegates will have a majority no matter what so Romney cannot win!
    http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_OH_30716.pdf
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    OllyTOllyT Posts: 4,925
    Speedy said:

    http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2016/03/trump-kasich-in-tight-ohio-race.html

    Trump 38
    Kasich 35
    Cruz 15
    Rubio 5

    Trump 40
    Kasich 55

    I think Kasich is in prime position in Ohio.

    If Trump is still competitive (ahead by 3) post debate, on Katich's home turf then I would say he's home and dry overall.

    Why have you ignored the Fox2Detroit Michigan poll which was carried out all post debate and gives Trump a 22% lead. You have told us that all the post debate polls show Trump's lead vanishing which is shall we say a little economical with the truth.

    Seriously if anyone is daft enough to be betting on your tips they will be bankrupt by the end of the month!.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,539
    hunchman said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    I found a problem for Kasich and maybe Cruz:

    https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/706873628944629761

    Kasich needs 2000 signatures to be on the Pennsylvania primary ballot, he is just over the limit and Rubio is challenging him to court.
    Cruz also has 2 court hearings over his signatures plus one for his eligibility due to his canadian citizenship.

    Best case for Trump is that both Kasich and Cruz are out of the Pennsylvania ballot, stuff like that happens from time to time, it happened last in Virginia in 2012.

    Kasich and Rubio will likely be gone from the race in just over a week
    I doubt it.
    Kasich has good chances of winning Ohio.
    Rubio's campaign is now Romney's, and Romney will keep Rubio in to deny as many delegates from the others as possible, in order to crown Romney the nominee in the convention.
    This is a good clip about Romney and the GOP. I think long term Trump would be better served by losing the nomination, and being seen to lose the nomination in an unfair way due to the machinations of the GOP, and then be positioned well in 2020 with events dear boy events. Whoever becomes POTUS next January will not be a two term president, the oncoming sovereign debt crisis will see to that, and global capital flows will be very disruptive to the US over 2017-2020 with a much much stronger US dollar:

    https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/north_america/2016-u-s-presidential-election/the-coming-insurrection-inside-the-republican-party/
    If Trump was taking on anyone except Hillary he would probably be too old for 2016. He can't wait until 2020. Its now or never for him.

    In fact the chances are that either of these candidates would end up being 1 term Presidents whether there is a melt down or not. The stresses and strains of the top job at that age asks a hell of a lot of anyone.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    I found a problem for Kasich and maybe Cruz:

    https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/706873628944629761

    Kasich needs 2000 signatures to be on the Pennsylvania primary ballot, he is just over the limit and Rubio is challenging him to court.
    Cruz also has 2 court hearings over his signatures plus one for his eligibility due to his canadian citizenship.

    Best case for Trump is that both Kasich and Cruz are out of the Pennsylvania ballot, stuff like that happens from time to time, it happened last in Virginia in 2012.

    Kasich and Rubio will likely be gone from the race in just over a week
    I doubt it.
    Kasich has good chances of winning Ohio.
    Rubio's campaign is now Romney's, and Romney will keep Rubio in to deny as many delegates from the others as possible, in order to crown Romney the nominee in the convention.
    'Good chance' perhaps but at the moment Trump leads Ohio, if Kasich loses Ohio he is gone. If Rubio loses Florida he is also out and would get virtually no further delegates even if he stayed in anyway, Romney has zero chance of being nominee, neither Trump nor Cruz delegates will vote for him
    Here is the key component of the Romney plan.

    The delegates are bound to the candidates only in the first round.
    If it goes to the second round they can vote for whoever they like.
    And delegates selected to represent Trump and Cruz will probably be hand picked by the GOP to vote for the one they order on the second ballot.

    Trump and Cruz will need the best legal team and lots of detailed organization to make sure their delegates are loyal to them and the GOP doesn't change the rules too much before the convention.

    Goodnight.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,228
    hunchman said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    I found a problem for Kasich and maybe Cruz:

    https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/706873628944629761

    Kasich needs 2000 signatures to be on the Pennsylvania primary ballot, he is just over the limit and Rubio is challenging him to court.
    Cruz also has 2 court hearings over his signatures plus one for his eligibility due to his canadian citizenship.

    Best case for Trump is that both Kasich and Cruz are out of the Pennsylvania ballot, stuff like that happens from time to time, it happened last in Virginia in 2012.

    Kasich and Rubio will likely be gone from the race in just over a week
    I doubt it.
    Kasich has good chances of winning Ohio.
    Rubio's campaign is now Romney's, and Romney will keep Rubio in to deny as many delegates from the others as possible, in order to crown Romney the nominee in the convention.
    This is a good clip about Romney and the GOP. I think long term Trump would be better served by losing the nomination, and being seen to lose the nomination in an unfair way due to the machinations of the GOP, and then be positioned well in 2020 with events dear boy events. Whoever becomes POTUS next January will not be a two term president, the oncoming sovereign debt crisis will see to that, and global capital flows will be very disruptive to the US over 2017-2020 with a much much stronger US dollar:

    https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/north_america/2016-u-s-presidential-election/the-coming-insurrection-inside-the-republican-party/
    I highly doubt global capital flows will determine the 2020 election, nor will a strong US dollar
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    PongPong Posts: 4,693
    @speedy

    Perhaps I'm not getting something, but the link in your tweet said;

    "Mitt Romney has filed paperwork with FEC to run in the current election"

    Where's the evidence?
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    EPGEPG Posts: 6,081
    Michigan? Looks like it is going to be like South Carolina, with Trump continuing to tally well under a majority but facing split opposition (now, Cruz and Kasich)
    Idaho is closed-primary not a caucus as I thought. There's a two-week stale poll with Trump well ahead, but it was a really weird poll with enough Carson and undecided voters that I think Cruz should in fact be favoured given his good press since the latest debate. I think only Cruz and Trump will get delegates (>20 per cent of popular vote)
    Mississippi is shaping up to be another Cruz v Trump bruiser
    So this week, be negative Rubio and maybe - slightly - Trump!
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    OllyT said:

    Speedy said:

    http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2016/03/trump-kasich-in-tight-ohio-race.html

    Trump 38
    Kasich 35
    Cruz 15
    Rubio 5

    Trump 40
    Kasich 55

    I think Kasich is in prime position in Ohio.

    If Trump is still competitive (ahead by 3) post debate, on Katich's home turf then I would say he's home and dry overall.

    Why have you ignored the Fox2Detroit Michigan poll which was carried out all post debate and gives Trump a 22% lead. You have told us that all the post debate polls show Trump's lead vanishing which is shall we say a little economical with the truth.

    Seriously if anyone is daft enough to be betting on your tips they will be bankrupt by the end of the month!.
    I got more evidence than 3 polls, I got votes:

    https://twitter.com/bycoffe/status/706332494258376704

    If you had followed my debate verdict on Friday morning and placed a bet on Cruz, by Sunday morning you would have been in the black.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,034
    OllyT said:

    Speedy said:

    http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2016/03/trump-kasich-in-tight-ohio-race.html

    Trump 38
    Kasich 35
    Cruz 15
    Rubio 5

    Trump 40
    Kasich 55

    I think Kasich is in prime position in Ohio.

    If Trump is still competitive (ahead by 3) post debate, on Katich's home turf then I would say he's home and dry overall.

    Why have you ignored the Fox2Detroit Michigan poll which was carried out all post debate and gives Trump a 22% lead. You have told us that all the post debate polls show Trump's lead vanishing which is shall we say a little economical with the truth.

    Seriously if anyone is daft enough to be betting on your tips they will be bankrupt by the end of the month!.
    We all need to make our own judgements as bettors, @Speedy isn't responsible for anyone's trading decisions.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,034
    Pulpstar said:

    OllyT said:

    Speedy said:

    http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2016/03/trump-kasich-in-tight-ohio-race.html

    Trump 38
    Kasich 35
    Cruz 15
    Rubio 5

    Trump 40
    Kasich 55

    I think Kasich is in prime position in Ohio.

    If Trump is still competitive (ahead by 3) post debate, on Katich's home turf then I would say he's home and dry overall.

    Why have you ignored the Fox2Detroit Michigan poll which was carried out all post debate and gives Trump a 22% lead. You have told us that all the post debate polls show Trump's lead vanishing which is shall we say a little economical with the truth.

    Seriously if anyone is daft enough to be betting on your tips they will be bankrupt by the end of the month!.
    We all need to make our own judgements as bettors, @Speedy isn't responsible for anyone's trading decisions.
    If you'd followed Nate Silver's advice you'd be massively underwater at this point.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,228
    Speedy said:

    Wanderer said:

    Pulpstar said:

    EPG said:

    If Kasich is fair value at 12/1 for the Republican nomination, which he probably isn't, then he's great value to become POTUS at 40/1 with Wm. Hill.
    DYOR

    Nice logic. I do struggle to see a Kasich nomination without a third-party Trump run...
    To be honest there's probably no value in either Kasich POTUS or GOP. But perhaps GOP is better. The GOP have to essentially break their own rules (Severely) for it to be anyone other than Trump or Cruz right now.
    But who is to say they won't ?

    Anyway my GOP book looks more valuable than ever right now so I've more or less levelled it off.
    Is it just plausible that:

    Kasich wins Michigan
    Kasich wins Ohio and gives appearance of momentum
    Rubio loses Florida and drops out on the same day
    In a 3-way contest Kasich emerges as a "better Rubio" and ends up close to Cruz (assuming Cruz is second) in delegates.
    In the fabled brokered convention he is: 1) not significantly more of a stitch-up than Cruz and 2) has the delightful advantage of actually being likely to win the election.

    The odds on that are a damn sight longer than 12/1 :)
    No one who commits the stitch up in the convention will win the GE.
    The supporters of the candidates who lose at the convention will riot in the streets.

    And Trump & Cruz supporters are not ordinary people, they are fanatics and most of them armed fanatics.

    These democrats in 1968 were not armed to the teeth:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUKzSsVmnpY
    Of course in 1968 Humphrey almost beat Nixon who won by less than 1%, when the anti war McGovern won the nomination in 1972 Nixon trounced him
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,228
    edited March 2016
    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    I found a problem for Kasich and maybe Cruz:

    https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/706873628944629761

    Kasich needs 2000 signatures to be on the Pennsylvania primary ballot, he is just over the limit and Rubio is challenging him to court.
    Cruz also has 2 court hearings over his signatures plus one for his eligibility due to his canadian citizenship.

    Best case for Trump is that both Kasich and Cruz are out of the Pennsylvania ballot, stuff like that happens from time to time, it happened last in Virginia in 2012.

    Kasich and Rubio will likely be gone from the race in just over a week
    I doubt it.
    Kasich has good chances of winning Ohio.
    Rubio's campaign is now Romney's, and Romney will keep Rubio in to deny as many delegates from the others as possible, in order to crown Romney the nominee in the convention.
    'Good chance' perhaps but at the moment Trump leads Ohio, if Kasich loses Ohio he is gone. If Rubio loses Florida he is also out and would get virtually no further delegates even if he stayed in anyway, Romney has zero chance of being nominee, neither Trump nor Cruz delegates will vote for him
    Here is the key component of the Romney plan.

    The delegates are bound to the candidates only in the first round.
    If it goes to the second round they can vote for whoever they like.
    And delegates selected to represent Trump and Cruz will probably be hand picked by the GOP to vote for the one they order on the second ballot.

    Trump and Cruz will need the best legal team and lots of detailed organization to make sure their delegates are loyal to them and the GOP doesn't change the rules too much before the convention.

    Goodnight.
    Delegates elected to vote for Trump and Cruz will be Trump and Cruz supporters, they are certainly not going to vote for Romney.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @bpolitics: Michael Bloomberg Says He Won't Run for President in 2016 https://t.co/BPVRAwsilM
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    Wanderer said:

    Pulpstar said:

    EPG said:

    If Kasich is fair value at 12/1 for the Republican nomination, which he probably isn't, then he's great value to become POTUS at 40/1 with Wm. Hill.
    DYOR

    Nice logic. I do struggle to see a Kasich nomination without a third-party Trump run...
    To be honest there's probably no value in either Kasich POTUS or GOP. But perhaps GOP is better. The GOP have to essentially break their own rules (Severely) for it to be anyone other than Trump or Cruz right now.
    But who is to say they won't ?

    Anyway my GOP book looks more valuable than ever right now so I've more or less levelled it off.
    Is it just plausible that:

    Kasich wins Michigan
    Kasich wins Ohio and gives appearance of momentum
    Rubio loses Florida and drops out on the same day
    In a 3-way contest Kasich emerges as a "better Rubio" and ends up close to Cruz (assuming Cruz is second) in delegates.
    In the fabled brokered convention he is: 1) not significantly more of a stitch-up than Cruz and 2) has the delightful advantage of actually being likely to win the election.

    The odds on that are a damn sight longer than 12/1 :)
    No one who commits the stitch up in the convention will win the GE.
    The supporters of the candidates who lose at the convention will riot in the streets.

    And Trump & Cruz supporters are not ordinary people, they are fanatics and most of them armed fanatics.

    These democrats in 1968 were not armed to the teeth:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUKzSsVmnpY
    Of course in 1968 Humphrey almost beat Nixon who won by less than 1%, when the anti war McGovern won the nomination in 1972 Nixon trounced him
    That is a great piece of video. HH would have been a great President.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,034
    Scott_P said:

    @bpolitics: Michael Bloomberg Says He Won't Run for President in 2016 https://t.co/BPVRAwsilM

    Now can Betfair please please please put him to 1000-1.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Pong said:

    @speedy

    Perhaps I'm not getting something, but the link in your tweet said;

    "Mitt Romney has filed paperwork with FEC to run in the current election"

    Where's the evidence?

    It's not Romney himself but an election organization that is Romney's:

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/3/6/1496911/--Romney-For-President-Inc-filed-with-FEC-Feb-1-2016
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited March 2016
    Scott_P said:

    @bpolitics: Michael Bloomberg Says He Won't Run for President in 2016 https://t.co/BPVRAwsilM

    rcs1000 might have gave him my advice.

    There goes the last chance for the republicans to win the election.
    Goodnight.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,106
    Scott_P said:

    @bpolitics: Michael Bloomberg Says He Won't Run for President in 2016 https://t.co/BPVRAwsilM

    Spoilsport.
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    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    I found a problem for Kasich and maybe Cruz:

    https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/706873628944629761

    Kasich needs 2000 signatures to be on the Pennsylvania primary ballot, he is just over the limit and Rubio is challenging him to court.
    Cruz also has 2 court hearings over his signatures plus one for his eligibility due to his canadian citizenship.

    Best case for Trump is that both Kasich and Cruz are out of the Pennsylvania ballot, stuff like that happens from time to time, it happened last in Virginia in 2012.

    Kasich and Rubio will likely be gone from the race in just over a week
    I doubt it.
    Kasich has good chances of winning Ohio.
    Rubio's campaign is now Romney's, and Romney will keep Rubio in to deny as many delegates from the others as possible, in order to crown Romney the nominee in the convention.
    'Good chance' perhaps but at the moment Trump leads Ohio, if Kasich loses Ohio he is gone. If Rubio loses Florida he is also out and would get virtually no further delegates even if he stayed in anyway, Romney has zero chance of being nominee, neither Trump nor Cruz delegates will vote for him
    Here is the key component of the Romney plan.

    The delegates are bound to the candidates only in the first round.
    If it goes to the second round they can vote for whoever they like.
    And delegates selected to represent Trump and Cruz will probably be hand picked by the GOP to vote for the one they order on the second ballot.

    Trump and Cruz will need the best legal team and lots of detailed organization to make sure their delegates are loyal to them and the GOP doesn't change the rules too much before the convention.

    Goodnight.
    Delegates elected to vote for Trump and Cruz will be Trump and Cruz supporters, they are certainly not going to vote for Romney.
    I think the other problem with Romney's plan - if that is what he is planning - is that I do not think Cruz would go along with it: if Trump is deemed to be unfairly denied, it will split the Republicans in two; but if Cruz vetoes what is seen to be unfair machinations directed at Trump, then he is in a good position to pick up Trump's support base if the latter loses the election to HRC. Cruz is young enough to be able to go again in 2020.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,228

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    Wanderer said:

    Pulpstar said:

    EPG said:

    If Kasich is fair value at 12/1 for the Republican nomination, which he probably isn't, then he's great value to become POTUS at 40/1 with Wm. Hill.
    DYOR

    Nice logic. I do struggle to see a Kasich nomination without a third-party Trump run...
    To be honest there's probably no value in either Kasich POTUS or GOP. But perhaps GOP is better. The GOP have to essentially break their own rules (Severely) for it to be anyone other than Trump or Cruz right now.
    But who is to say they won't ?

    Anyway my GOP book looks more valuable than ever right now so I've more or less levelled it off.
    Is it just plausible that:

    Kasich wins Michigan
    Kasich wins Ohio and gives appearance of momentum
    Rubio loses Florida and drops out on the same day
    In a 3-way contest Kasich emerges as a "better Rubio" and ends up close to Cruz (assuming Cruz is second) in delegates.
    In the fabled brokered convention he is: 1) not significantly more of a stitch-up than Cruz and 2) has the delightful advantage of actually being likely to win the election.

    The odds on that are a damn sight longer than 12/1 :)
    No one who commits the stitch up in the convention will win the GE.
    The supporters of the candidates who lose at the convention will riot in the streets.

    And Trump & Cruz supporters are not ordinary people, they are fanatics and most of them armed fanatics.

    These democrats in 1968 were not armed to the teeth:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUKzSsVmnpY
    Of course in 1968 Humphrey almost beat Nixon who won by less than 1%, when the anti war McGovern won the nomination in 1972 Nixon trounced him
    That is a great piece of video. HH would have been a great President.
    Yes, one of the great 'nearly' men of US politics, though of course he was Vice President.
    Humphrey calls LBJ on election night
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YttmffiWyjA
    In 1972 Humphrey personally phoned Nixon to apologise for having had to campaign for McGovern
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56dBfyeH2DM
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,228
    Speedy said:

    Scott_P said:

    @bpolitics: Michael Bloomberg Says He Won't Run for President in 2016 https://t.co/BPVRAwsilM

    rcs1000 might have gave him my advice.

    There goes the last chance for the republicans to win the election.
    Goodnight.
    With Hillary beating Sanders that was becoming increasingly unlikely, now confirmed
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    PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited March 2016
    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:

    @bpolitics: Michael Bloomberg Says He Won't Run for President in 2016 https://t.co/BPVRAwsilM

    Now can Betfair please please please put him to 1000-1.
    lol.

    Just made a final £20 out of Bloomberg.

    Trading that man's political ambitions has been remarkably profitable.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,034
    Knowing Betfair Michael Bloomberg will probably head back in at some point, so I've spent the full £2 to green him up.
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    isamisam Posts: 41,090
    Pulpstar said:

    OllyT said:

    Speedy said:

    http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2016/03/trump-kasich-in-tight-ohio-race.html

    Trump 38
    Kasich 35
    Cruz 15
    Rubio 5

    Trump 40
    Kasich 55

    I think Kasich is in prime position in Ohio.

    If Trump is still competitive (ahead by 3) post debate, on Katich's home turf then I would say he's home and dry overall.

    Why have you ignored the Fox2Detroit Michigan poll which was carried out all post debate and gives Trump a 22% lead. You have told us that all the post debate polls show Trump's lead vanishing which is shall we say a little economical with the truth.

    Seriously if anyone is daft enough to be betting on your tips they will be bankrupt by the end of the month!.
    We all need to make our own judgements as bettors, @Speedy isn't responsible for anyone's trading decisions.
    Talking of which, vanilla email...
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,034
    Pong said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:

    @bpolitics: Michael Bloomberg Says He Won't Run for President in 2016 https://t.co/BPVRAwsilM

    Now can Betfair please please please put him to 1000-1.
    lol.

    Just made a final £20 out of Bloomberg.

    Trading that man's political ambitions has been remarkably profitable.
    Back Michael Bloomberg 140.95 £32.00
    Lay Michael Bloomberg 94.13 £35.03

    For me lol

    But that laying includes some field lays to get back field cash.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,228

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    I found a problem for Kasich and maybe Cruz:

    https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/706873628944629761

    Kasich needs 2000 signatures to be on the Pennsylvania primary ballot, he is just over the limit and Rubio is challenging him to court.
    Cruz also has 2 court hearings over his signatures plus one for his eligibility due to his canadian citizenship.

    Best case for Trump is that both Kasich and Cruz are out of the Pennsylvania ballot, stuff like that happens from time to time, it happened last in Virginia in 2012.

    Kasich and Rubio will likely be gone from the race in just over a week
    I doubt it.
    Kasich has good chances of winning Ohio.
    Rubio's campaign is now Romney's, and Romney will keep Rubio in to deny as many delegates from the others as possible, in order to crown Romney the nominee in the convention.
    'Good chance' perhaps but at the moment Trump leads Ohio, if Kasich loses Ohio he is gone. If Rubio loses Florida he is also out and would get virtually no further delegates even if he stayed in anyway, Romney has zero chance of being nominee, neither Trump nor Cruz delegates will vote for him
    Here is the key component of the Romney plan.

    The delegates are bound to the candidates only in the first round.
    If it goes to the second round they can vote for whoever they like.
    And delegates selected to represent Trump and Cruz will probably be hand picked by the GOP to vote for the one they order on the second ballot.

    Trump and Cruz will need the best legal team and lots of detailed organization to make sure their delegates are loyal to them and the GOP doesn't change the rules too much before the convention.

    Goodnight.
    Delegates elected to vote for Trump and Cruz will be Trump and Cruz supporters, they are certainly not going to vote for Romney.
    I think the other problem with Romney's plan - if that is what he is planning - is that I do not think Cruz would go along with it: if Trump is deemed to be unfairly denied, it will split the Republicans in two; but if Cruz vetoes what is seen to be unfair machinations directed at Trump, then he is in a good position to pick up Trump's support base if the latter loses the election to HRC. Cruz is young enough to be able to go again in 2020.
    Yes, Cruz probably already has an eye on the 2020 nomination
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    hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    HYUFD said:

    hunchman said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    I found a problem for Kasich and maybe Cruz:

    https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/706873628944629761

    Kasich needs 2000 signatures to be on the Pennsylvania primary ballot, he is just over the limit and Rubio is challenging him to court.
    Cruz also has 2 court hearings over his signatures plus one for his eligibility due to his canadian citizenship.

    Best case for Trump is that both Kasich and Cruz are out of the Pennsylvania ballot, stuff like that happens from time to time, it happened last in Virginia in 2012.

    Kasich and Rubio will likely be gone from the race in just over a week
    I doubt it.
    Kasich has good chances of winning Ohio.
    Rubio's campaign is now Romney's, and Romney will keep Rubio in to deny as many delegates from the others as possible, in order to crown Romney the nominee in the convention.
    This is a good clip about Romney and the GOP. I think long term Trump would be better served by losing the nomination, and being seen to lose the nomination in an unfair way due to the machinations of the GOP, and then be positioned well in 2020 with events dear boy events. Whoever becomes POTUS next January will not be a two term president, the oncoming sovereign debt crisis will see to that, and global capital flows will be very disruptive to the US over 2017-2020 with a much much stronger US dollar:

    https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/north_america/2016-u-s-presidential-election/the-coming-insurrection-inside-the-republican-party/
    I highly doubt global capital flows will determine the 2020 election, nor will a strong US dollar
    Capital flows in times of trouble become a political issue, as politicians come under pressure to put in place capital controls. It happened in the Great Depression and I predict it will happen over the next 4 years too. The US will come under pressure from its exporters with the strong US dollar unable to sell much abroad. And the Federal Reserve has already come under massive pressure from the rest of the world - Janet Yellen wanted to raise US interest rates last June and was ambushed by the IMF - the US is facing a classic conflicting objective in setting monetary policy from domestic considerations as well as international considerations. Emerging market countries were screaming at the US not to raise rates owing to many of them having a large amount of US$ debt - they've issued $9 trillion in US debt since 2008 alone. That bill is coming due, and isn't going to be a happy one with the strengthening US dollar.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,245
    edited March 2016
    Pulpstar said:

    Knowing Betfair Michael Bloomberg will probably head back in at some point, so I've spent the full £2 to green him up.

    D-day is Friday, with a possible extension over the weekend. But my friend thinks he'll bottle it.
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    TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    edited March 2016
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    TIME TO CHALLENGE POLLING WEIGHTINGS
    1. The betting markets are influenced by the polls (Statement of the bleeding obvious).
    2. Key to this is how accurate are the polls (2nd Statement of the bleeding obvious).
    4. One of the major causes of inaccurate polls for the GE was having too many young voters and too few 65+ Conservative leaning voters in the polling samples.
    5. Yougov stated in an recent article that for every voter in 18-24 range there should be 3 in the 65+ range.
    6. So why in the 2nd & 3rd March Yougov data was there just a weighting of 197 18-25 and only 356 65+ ? This produced a small REMAIN 3% (40%) lead whereas it probably should have been ?????

    At the general election the Tories benefited from support from both high turnout groups, the old and the middle class, at the referendum the middle classes will back Remain while the old will back Leave thus somewhat cancelling each other out
    That may be correct. But first why are the polling companies weighting Young voters vs 65+ in a way that is disproportionate with how they voted at the GE?
    Nearly 60% of 18-24s voted at the general election according to the BES, a bit lower than the overall figure of 66% but not vastly so
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/generalelection/general-election-2015-highest-turnout-since-1997-10235076.html
    "Although we’ll never know precisely how the different generations voted in 2015, best estimates suggest that around 43% of 18-24 year olds voted compared to around 78% of over 65s. With 6m 18-24 year olds in the UK and over 11 million over 65s that means that the over 65s carry more than three and a half times more weight than the youngest cohort."

    https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/02/26/analysis-dont-get-too-comfortable-out-campaign-has/

    The BES data is from just a few days after the GE. The Yougov data is from last month. As well as turnout there are almost twice as many 65+ people than in the 18-24 segment.
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Carole Malone ‏@thecarolemalone
    Hounding John Longworth out of his job was shameful. What next - Cameron having people arrested for what they think http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/turning-britain-democracy-dictatorship-hounding-7511809

    Front of the mail doesn't look good for No10.

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    ITV News at Ten, Turkish PM, getting VIP treatment in Brussels (nice!) states "Turkey is ready to join the EU" .... and he's not being discouraged by an EU, apparently desperate to stop the flow of migrants ... Meanwhile, in Turkey an increasingly authoritarian government is taking over major (criticising) newspapers and hosing down protesters ..... Turkey Join not good for REmain .... But, they can have our place ...
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,193
    Speedy said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    I found a problem for Kasich and maybe Cruz:

    https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/706873628944629761

    Kasich needs 2000 signatures to be on the Pennsylvania primary ballot, he is just over the limit and Rubio is challenging him to court.
    Cruz also has 2 court hearings over his signatures plus one for his eligibility due to his canadian citizenship.

    Best case for Trump is that both Kasich and Cruz are out of the Pennsylvania ballot, stuff like that happens from time to time, it happened last in Virginia in 2012.

    Kasich and Rubio will likely be gone from the race in just over a week
    I doubt it.
    Kasich has good chances of winning Ohio.
    Rubio's campaign is now Romney's, and Romney will keep Rubio in to deny as many delegates from the others as possible, in order to crown Romney the nominee in the convention.
    I reckon it'll be Ryan if anyone..

    Romney wields the knife so to speak...
    Oh it will be Romney if it goes to the convention alright:

    https://twitter.com/randyprine/status/706871442835542016

    https://twitter.com/WashTimes/status/706507945471844352

    Romney is using Cruz, Kasich, and Rubio to snatch the nomination for himself.
    Just when you thought the car-crash of the Republican race was finally coming to an end, Romney turns up with a couple of transporters full of supercars...
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    WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838



    I think the other problem with Romney's plan - if that is what he is planning - is that I do not think Cruz would go along with it: if Trump is deemed to be unfairly denied, it will split the Republicans in two; but if Cruz vetoes what is seen to be unfair machinations directed at Trump, then he is in a good position to pick up Trump's support base if the latter loses the election to HRC. Cruz is young enough to be able to go again in 2020.

    That's a very good point.

    US-based posters might have another opinion but my understanding is that it is absolutely essential, in US politics, to be seen to cheerfully accept the verdict of the voters. Anyone who is party to a stitch-up will be trying to justify it for the rest of their careers and will be finished in Presidential politics.
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    PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited March 2016
    rcs1000 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Knowing Betfair Michael Bloomberg will probably head back in at some point, so I've spent the full £2 to green him up.

    D-day is Friday, with a possible extension over the weekend. But my friend thinks he'll bottle it.
    I'll take the Bloomberg.com article on face value.

    Good news for Hillary directly that there's no BB 3rd party bid - but more importantly, It implies Bloomberg has concluded she's not particularly vulnerable re; FBI stuff.

    Of course, he still might throw everything behind some other 3rd party candidate or something

    Anyway, I've topped up on Hillary @ 1.54

    I know, I've surprised even myself.
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
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    Carole Malone ‏@thecarolemalone
    Hounding John Longworth out of his job was shameful. What next - Cameron having people arrested for what they think http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/turning-britain-democracy-dictatorship-hounding-7511809

    Front of the mail doesn't look good for No10.

    Its on a witch hunt at present, indeed it is behaving no different to the express with a fierce and very biased anti EU agenda. It is hanging on to it's daily delivery to our house only because of my wife's addiction to it's puzzles
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    I'm temporarily back because I found this nice video that tells you who the GOP "insiders" are, what are they doing, and what are they thinking about the race:

    https://twitter.com/SHO_TheCircus/status/706964054863032320
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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    @HYUFD

    You can hear how ill Johnson was in that phone call, gasping for breath.

    That was the real reason he declined renomination in '68. He guessed he wouldn't live to serve a full term.

    Turned out he was only two days out in his estimation...
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    How much longer will the news be filled with migrant problems? Can it really go on for 4 more months? The news tonight on the EU considering setting a timetable for Turkey's entry to the EU and dropping visa requirements etc hardly helps the REMAIN cause. Or do our PB REMAINERS see this all as mere flesh wounds?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,228
    hunchman said:

    HYUFD said:

    hunchman said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    I found a problem for Kasich and maybe Cruz:

    https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/706873628944629761

    Kasich needs 2000 signatures to be on the Pennsylvania primary ballot, he is just over the limit and Rubio is challenging him to court.
    Cruz also has 2 court hearings over his signatures plus one for his eligibility due to his canadian citizenship.

    Best case for Trump is that both Kasich and Cruz are out of the Pennsylvania ballot, stuff like that happens from time to time, it happened last in Virginia in 2012.

    Kasich and Rubio will likely be gone from the race in just over a week
    I doubt it.
    Kasich has good chances of winning Ohio.
    Rubio's campaign is now Romney's, and Romney will keep Rubio in to deny as many delegates from the others as possible, in order to crown Romney the nominee in the convention.
    This is a good clip about Romney and the GOP. I think long term Trump would be better served by losing the nomination, and being seen to lose the nomination in an unfair way due to the machinations of the GOP, and then be positioned well in 2020 with events dear boy events. Whoever becomes POTUS next January will not be a two term president, the oncoming sovereign debt crisis will see to that, and global capital flows will be very disruptive to the US over 2017-2020 with a much much stronger US dollar:

    https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/north_america/2016-u-s-presidential-election/the-coming-insurrection-inside-the-republican-party/
    I highly doubt global capital flows will determine the 2020 election, nor will a strong US dollar
    Capital flows in times of trouble become a political issue, as politicians come under pressure to put in place capital controls. It happened in the Great Depression and I predict it will happen over the next 4 years too. The US will come under pressure from its exporters with the strong US dollar unable to sell much abroad. And the Federal Reserve has already come under massive pressure from the rest of the world - Janet Yellen wanted to raise US interest rates last June and was ambushed by the IMF - the US is facing a classic conflicting objective in setting monetary policy from domestic considerations as well as international considerations. Emerging market countries were screaming at the US not to raise rates owing to many of them having a large amount of US$ debt - they've issued $9 trillion in US debt since 2008 alone. That bill is coming due, and isn't going to be a happy one with the strengthening US dollar.
    Unless that leads to mass unemployment it will not be significant at the ballot box
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,193

    Carole Malone ‏@thecarolemalone
    Hounding John Longworth out of his job was shameful. What next - Cameron having people arrested for what they think http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/turning-britain-democracy-dictatorship-hounding-7511809

    Front of the mail doesn't look good for No10.

    81% in the voodoo poll in the Mirror want to be out of the EU...

    The Labour-supporting Mirror. Awkward.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,228

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    TIME TO CHALLENGE POLLING WEIGHTINGS
    1. The betting markets are influenced by the polls (Statement of the bleeding obvious).
    2. Key to this is how accurate are the polls (2nd Statement of the bleeding obvious).
    4. One of the major causes of inaccurate polls for the GE was having too many young voters and too few 65+ Conservative leaning voters in the polling samples.
    5. Yougov stated in an recent article that for every voter in 18-24 range there should be 3 in the 65+ range.
    6. So why in the 2nd & 3rd March Yougov data was there just a weighting of 197 18-25 and only 356 65+ ? This produced a small REMAIN 3% (40%) lead whereas it probably should have been ?????

    At the general election the Tories benefited from support from both high turnout groups, the old and the middle class, at the referendum the middle classes will back Remain while the old will back Leave thus somewhat cancelling each other out
    That may be correct. But first why are the polling companies weighting Young voters vs 65+ in a way that is disproportionate with how they voted at the GE?
    Nearly 60% of 18-24s voted at the general election according to the BES, a bit lower than the overall figure of 66% but not vastly so
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/generalelection/general-election-2015-highest-turnout-since-1997-10235076.html
    "Although we’ll never know precisely how the different generations voted in 2015, best estimates suggest that around 43% of 18-24 year olds voted compared to around 78% of over 65s. With 6m 18-24 year olds in the UK and over 11 million over 65s that means that the over 65s carry more than three and a half times more weight than the youngest cohort."

    https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/02/26/analysis-dont-get-too-comfortable-out-campaign-has/

    The BES data is from just a few days after the GE. The Yougov data is from last month. As well as turnout there are almost twice as many 65+ people than in the 18-24 segment.
    So what, the BES data was obviously conducted from actual voters and the yougov figures are very vague. The point was on turnout as a percentage
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    TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    edited March 2016
    Lots of info in that article. Daniel Korski - the oaf who railroaded elderly retired military folk into political statements. Pass the sick bucket.
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    hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591

    How much longer will the news be filled with migrant problems? Can it really go on for 4 more months? The news tonight on the EU considering setting a timetable for Turkey's entry to the EU and dropping visa requirements etc hardly helps the REMAIN cause. Or do our PB REMAINERS see this all as mere flesh wounds?

    Its amazing that 10 years ago when Turkey was a good deal more democratic than it is today, that the EU blocked its wish to join, and now after Erdogan has dragged the country downhill, the EU is falling over itself to get Turkey into the club. You couldn't make it up. After all the Western meddling in Syria in order to facilitate the oil pipeline through there and overthrow the Assad regime with a puppet western facing government, it has come to this, never mind the human rights abuses, the abject treatment of the Kurds, and wanting to ratchet tensions and pi$$ off Russia even further.....well it takes the wretched EU to tick all those ghastly boxes.
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    flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    DavidL said:

    hunchman said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    I found a problem for Kasich and maybe Cruz:

    https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/706873628944629761

    Kasich needs 2000 signatures to be on the Pennsylvania primary ballot, he is just over the limit and Rubio is challenging him to court.
    Cruz also has 2 court hearings over his signatures plus one for his eligibility due to his canadian citizenship.

    Best case for Trump is that both Kasich and Cruz are out of the Pennsylvania ballot, stuff like that happens from time to time, it happened last in Virginia in 2012.

    Kasich and Rubio will likely be gone from the race in just over a week
    I doubt it.
    Kasich has good chances of winning Ohio.
    Rubio's campaign is now Romney's, and Romney will keep Rubio in to deny as many delegates from the others as possible, in order to crown Romney the nominee in the convention.
    This is a good clip about Romney and the GOP. I think long term Trump would be better served by losing the nomination, and being seen to lose the nomination in an unfair way due to the machinations of the GOP, and then be positioned well in 2020 with events dear boy events. Whoever becomes POTUS next January will not be a two term president, the oncoming sovereign debt crisis will see to that, and global capital flows will be very disruptive to the US over 2017-2020 with a much much stronger US dollar:

    https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/north_america/2016-u-s-presidential-election/the-coming-insurrection-inside-the-republican-party/
    If Trump was taking on anyone except Hillary he would probably be too old for 2016. He can't wait until 2020. Its now or never for him.

    In fact the chances are that either of these candidates would end up being 1 term Presidents whether there is a melt down or not. The stresses and strains of the top job at that age asks a hell of a lot of anyone.
    Which makes Hilary's choice of VP interesting because of course he/she would likely be the nominee in 2020. Likewise her choice of SoS.
    But lets not forget Hilary is Mrs Clinton and Mr Clinton (and indeed herself) has been there and seen that so whilst it will not be presented as a duumvirate - and she may resent one - that combination might well keep her going for the whole 9 yards.
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    How much longer will the news be filled with migrant problems? Can it really go on for 4 more months? The news tonight on the EU considering setting a timetable for Turkey's entry to the EU and dropping visa requirements etc hardly helps the REMAIN cause. Or do our PB REMAINERS see this all as mere flesh wounds?

    No idea how this will pan out - it could go either way for or against but leave need to be very careful that they do not give an impression that they are cold and uncaring in what is proving to be a human tragedy of biblical proportions
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    ITV News at Ten, Turkish PM, getting VIP treatment in Brussels (nice!) states "Turkey is ready to join the EU" .... and he's not being discouraged by an EU, apparently desperate to stop the flow of migrants ... Meanwhile, in Turkey an increasingly authoritarian government is taking over major (criticising) newspapers and hosing down protesters ..... Turkey Join not good for REmain .... But, they can have our place ...

    Bit of typical diplomatic flannel to get the Turks onside. Both they and the EU that the prospect of Turkish entry is further off than it has been in a decade.
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 31,048
    OT

    Ray Tomlinson, the man who invented email has died.

    Although of course it had to be the case it is now so ubiquitous that it is strange to think that someone actually 'invented' email. RIP to someone who it can truly be said changed the world.

    http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/mar/07/ray-tomlinson-email-inventor-and-selector-of-symbol-dies-aged-74
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    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    TIME TO CHALLENGE POLLING WEIGHTINGS
    1. The betting markets are influenced by the polls (Statement of the bleeding obvious).
    2. Key to this is how accurate are the polls (2nd Statement of the bleeding obvious).
    4. One of the major causes of inaccurate polls for the GE was having too many young voters and too few 65+ Conservative leaning voters in the polling samples.
    5. Yougov stated in an recent article that for every voter in 18-24 range there should be 3 in the 65+ range.
    6. So why in the 2nd & 3rd March Yougov data was there just a weighting of 197 18-25 and only 356 65+ ? This produced a small REMAIN 3% (40%) lead whereas it probably should have been ?????

    At the general election the Tories benefited from support from both high turnout groups, the old and the middle class, at the referendum the middle classes will back Remain while the old will back Leave thus somewhat cancelling each other out
    That may be correct. But first why are the polling companies weighting Young voters vs 65+ in a way that is disproportionate with how they voted at the GE?
    Nearly 60% of 18-24s voted at the general election according to the BES, a bit lower than the overall figure of 66% but not vastly so
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/generalelection/general-election-2015-highest-turnout-since-1997-10235076.html
    "Although we’ll never know precisely how the different generations voted in 2015, best estimates suggest that around 43% of 18-24 year olds voted compared to around 78% of over 65s. With 6m 18-24 year olds in the UK and over 11 million over 65s that means that the over 65s carry more than three and a half times more weight than the youngest cohort."

    https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/02/26/analysis-dont-get-too-comfortable-out-campaign-has/

    The BES data is from just a few days after the GE. The Yougov data is from last month. As well as turnout there are almost twice as many 65+ people than in the 18-24 segment.
    So what, the BES data was obviously conducted from actual voters and the yougov figures are very vague. The point was on turnout as a percentage
    By now the Yougov data on actual voting % by age should be coming from the marked register data and not a survey where the young usually are wrong about whether they will/are voting.
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