Ray Tomlinson, the man who invented email has died.
Although of course it had to be the case it is now so ubiquitous that it is strange to think that someone actually 'invented' email. RIP to someone who it can truly be said changed the world.
How much longer will the news be filled with migrant problems? Can it really go on for 4 more months? The news tonight on the EU considering setting a timetable for Turkey's entry to the EU and dropping visa requirements etc hardly helps the REMAIN cause. Or do our PB REMAINERS see this all as mere flesh wounds?
No idea how this will pan out - it could go either way for or against but leave need to be very careful that they do not give an impression that they are cold and uncaring in what is proving to be a human tragedy of biblical proportions
I agree but LEAVE can sit back and let this all fill the senses of the voters. I glance at my screen and watch real human beings in distress ....because of the ineffectivness of the EU. PS oh look here is another EU proposal to have quotas on migrants dished around the EU countries... up pops Cameron saying oh not not us that EU proposal does not apply. UK viewers then wonder is he as good as his word - or will being in the EU mean we will have more?
How much longer will the news be filled with migrant problems? Can it really go on for 4 more months? The news tonight on the EU considering setting a timetable for Turkey's entry to the EU and dropping visa requirements etc hardly helps the REMAIN cause. Or do our PB REMAINERS see this all as mere flesh wounds?
Its amazing that 10 years ago when Turkey was a good deal more democratic than it is today, that the EU blocked its wish to join, and now after Erdogan has dragged the country downhill, the EU is falling over itself to get Turkey into the club. You couldn't make it up. After all the Western meddling in Syria in order to facilitate the oil pipeline through there and overthrow the Assad regime with a puppet western facing government, it has come to this, never mind the human rights abuses, the abject treatment of the Kurds, and wanting to ratchet tensions and pi$$ off Russia even further.....well it takes the wretched EU to tick all those ghastly boxes.
TIME TO CHALLENGE POLLING WEIGHTINGS 1. The betting markets are influenced by the polls (Statement of the bleeding obvious). 2. Key to this is how accurate are the polls (2nd Statement of the bleeding obvious). 4. One of the major causes of inaccurate polls for the GE was having too many young voters and too few 65+ Conservative leaning voters in the polling samples. 5. Yougov stated in an recent article that for every voter in 18-24 range there should be 3 in the 65+ range. 6. So why in the 2nd & 3rd March Yougov data was there just a weighting of 197 18-25 and only 356 65+ ? This produced a small REMAIN 3% (40%) lead whereas it probably should have been ?????
At the general election the Tories benefited from support from both high turnout groups, the old and the middle class, at the referendum the middle classes will back Remain while the old will back Leave thus somewhat cancelling each other out
That may be correct. But first why are the polling companies weighting Young voters vs 65+ in a way that is disproportionate with how they voted at the GE?
"Although we’ll never know precisely how the different generations voted in 2015, best estimates suggest that around 43% of 18-24 year olds voted compared to around 78% of over 65s. With 6m 18-24 year olds in the UK and over 11 million over 65s that means that the over 65s carry more than three and a half times more weight than the youngest cohort."
The BES data is from just a few days after the GE. The Yougov data is from last month. As well as turnout there are almost twice as many 65+ people than in the 18-24 segment.
So what, the BES data was obviously conducted from actual voters and the yougov figures are very vague. The point was on turnout as a percentage
By now the Yougov data on actual voting % by age should be coming from the marked register data and not a survey where the young usually are wrong about whether they will/are voting.
I have more than a little sympathy for her, if her excuse turns out to be true.
He was taking a substance for ten years as prescribed by a doctor, and then that substance was added to the banned drugs list in January. Yet she knew it by a different (non-generic?) name.
I can imagine it's easy to do. Then again, she's supposed to be a professional ...
To be fair I looked very closely at buying the only manufacturer of mildronate about a decade ago (it's a lovely little Latvian company called Grindeks) & I didn't know it had a different name - as far as I was aware it was only sold in Russia and the Baltics...
How much longer will the news be filled with migrant problems? Can it really go on for 4 more months? The news tonight on the EU considering setting a timetable for Turkey's entry to the EU and dropping visa requirements etc hardly helps the REMAIN cause. Or do our PB REMAINERS see this all as mere flesh wounds?
Its amazing that 10 years ago when Turkey was a good deal more democratic than it is today, that the EU blocked its wish to join, and now after Erdogan has dragged the country downhill, the EU is falling over itself to get Turkey into the club. You couldn't make it up. After all the Western meddling in Syria in order to facilitate the oil pipeline through there and overthrow the Assad regime with a puppet western facing government, it has come to this, never mind the human rights abuses, the abject treatment of the Kurds, and wanting to ratchet tensions and pi$$ off Russia even further.....well it takes the wretched EU to tick all those ghastly boxes.
Put the tin foil hat back on
You never do debate the issues do you?! I'm fine with you disagreeing with my posts, but its time you played the ball and not the man a bit more.
ITV News at Ten, Turkish PM, getting VIP treatment in Brussels (nice!) states "Turkey is ready to join the EU" .... and he's not being discouraged by an EU, apparently desperate to stop the flow of migrants ... Meanwhile, in Turkey an increasingly authoritarian government is taking over major (criticising) newspapers and hosing down protesters ..... Turkey Join not good for REmain .... But, they can have our place ...
Bit of typical diplomatic flannel to get the Turks onside. Both they and the EU that the prospect of Turkish entry is further off than it has been in a decade.
In 20 years, Turkey has closed 1 single chapter of the required 35 to be eligible to join. The prospect of membership is a good carrot to dangle but the reality of accession negotiations can only be a stick with which to beat the Erdogan government.
How much longer will the news be filled with migrant problems? Can it really go on for 4 more months? The news tonight on the EU considering setting a timetable for Turkey's entry to the EU and dropping visa requirements etc hardly helps the REMAIN cause. Or do our PB REMAINERS see this all as mere flesh wounds?
Its amazing that 10 years ago when Turkey was a good deal more democratic than it is today, that the EU blocked its wish to join, and now after Erdogan has dragged the country downhill, the EU is falling over itself to get Turkey into the club. You couldn't make it up. After all the Western meddling in Syria in order to facilitate the oil pipeline through there and overthrow the Assad regime with a puppet western facing government, it has come to this, never mind the human rights abuses, the abject treatment of the Kurds, and wanting to ratchet tensions and pi$$ off Russia even further.....well it takes the wretched EU to tick all those ghastly boxes.
The brand image of the EU would be a useful thing to assess in the minds of the UK voters. If we get this filling the media week after week after week, it is going to have a pernicious effect.
Ray Tomlinson, the man who invented email has died.
Although of course it had to be the case it is now so ubiquitous that it is strange to think that someone actually 'invented' email. RIP to someone who it can truly be said changed the world.
BBC Newsnight @BBCNewsnight 2m2 minutes ago Jens Spahn, deputy German Deputy Finance Minister: "I don't see Turkey joining the EU within the next three to five years." #newsnight
He says he resigned because it was the 'right thing to do'. The BCC president says resignation "agreed mutually between Mr Longworth and the BCC Board, and there were no external factors involved". Having listened to Longworth Mr Tyke he does come across as a professional yorkshireman. I'm sure you might want to disagree.
How much longer will the news be filled with migrant problems? Can it really go on for 4 more months? The news tonight on the EU considering setting a timetable for Turkey's entry to the EU and dropping visa requirements etc hardly helps the REMAIN cause. Or do our PB REMAINERS see this all as mere flesh wounds?
No idea how this will pan out - it could go either way for or against but leave need to be very careful that they do not give an impression that they are cold and uncaring in what is proving to be a human tragedy of biblical proportions
I agree but LEAVE can sit back and let this all fill the senses of the voters. I glance at my screen and watch real human beings in distress ....because of the ineffectivness of the EU. PS oh look here is another EU proposal to have quotas on migrants dished around the EU countries... up pops Cameron saying oh not not us that EU proposal does not apply. UK viewers then wonder is he as good as his word - or will being in the EU mean we will have more?
I am sure everyone on this forum is seriously concerned about this crisis and the daily suffering . David Cameron's statements have been consistent from day one as he led Europe on the right way of dealing with the crisis. Indeed the negotiations in the EU tonight are not dissimilar, though there is a long way to go before anything will change. I do think that remain as represented by DC do have creditability and those in leave will need to say how they would deal with the refugee crisis on a compassionate basis as the daily suffering will increase the demand in the UK to show compassion
Lots of info in that article. Daniel Korski - the oaf who railroaded elderly retired military folk into political statements. Pass the sick bucket.
Do you think old people are useless and incapable of doing politics? Maybe as a compromise, LEAVE would agree to having the referendum decided only by under-65s?
He says he resigned because it was the 'right thing to do'. The BCC president says resignation "agreed mutually between Mr Longworth and the BCC Board, and there were no external factors involved". Having listened to Longworth Mr Tyke he does come across as a professional yorkshireman. I'm sure you might want to disagree.
Ok,bigger story on way.
Iain Martin @iainmartin1 Anyone going on about John Longworth, stop it. Read story in @FT about Merkel's draft deal. Huge story, biggest of referendum so far.
BBC Newsnight @BBCNewsnight 2m2 minutes ago Jens Spahn, deputy German Deputy Finance Minister: "I don't see Turkey joining the EU within the next three to five years." #newsnight
Very reassuring - not.
Don't worry they will not be in the EU for decades if ever - remember all 28 have to vote in favour and that's not going to happen any time soon
Iain Martin @iainmartin1 Can only assume deal gets quashed, but what then? The leading leader in Europe came up with nuts migration plan. Credibility gone, surely?
Usual smoke and mirrors from the government, and especially George Osborne over Hinkley point. Amid the Chinese state visit, he stated last October that a deal had been done with the Chinese putting up part financing for the deal. Well 5 months later, we find out that no deal was done, EDF has still to make its investment decision, and finding that costs are going up all the while, not least to comply with the ridiculous 2020 climate change obligations that the UK alone signed up for, meanwhile a gaping hole in the future energy needs of the country is appearing. And the guaranteed electricity price promised to EDF equates to oil at around $300 a barrel by 2025 - some value for the taxpayer and the ordinary consumer that! You really couldn't make it up:
BBC Newsnight @BBCNewsnight 2m2 minutes ago Jens Spahn, deputy German Deputy Finance Minister: "I don't see Turkey joining the EU within the next three to five years." #newsnight
Very reassuring - not.
Don't worry they will not be in the EU for decades if ever - remember all 28 have to vote in favour and that's not going to happen any time soon
Ssh. Project Fear (subsection Leave) aren't interested.
How much longer will the news be filled with migrant problems? Can it really go on for 4 more months? The news tonight on the EU considering setting a timetable for Turkey's entry to the EU and dropping visa requirements etc hardly helps the REMAIN cause. Or do our PB REMAINERS see this all as mere flesh wounds?
Its amazing that 10 years ago when Turkey was a good deal more democratic than it is today, that the EU blocked its wish to join, and now after Erdogan has dragged the country downhill, the EU is falling over itself to get Turkey into the club. You couldn't make it up. After all the Western meddling in Syria in order to facilitate the oil pipeline through there and overthrow the Assad regime with a puppet western facing government, it has come to this, never mind the human rights abuses, the abject treatment of the Kurds, and wanting to ratchet tensions and pi$$ off Russia even further.....well it takes the wretched EU to tick all those ghastly boxes.
Put the tin foil hat back on
You never do debate the issues do you?! I'm fine with you disagreeing with my posts, but its time you played the ball and not the man a bit more.
You just draw bogus scenarios out of thin air. So come off it.
How much longer will the news be filled with migrant problems? Can it really go on for 4 more months? The news tonight on the EU considering setting a timetable for Turkey's entry to the EU and dropping visa requirements etc hardly helps the REMAIN cause. Or do our PB REMAINERS see this all as mere flesh wounds?
No idea how this will pan out - it could go either way for or against but leave need to be very careful that they do not give an impression that they are cold and uncaring in what is proving to be a human tragedy of biblical proportions
I agree but LEAVE can sit back and let this all fill the senses of the voters. I glance at my screen and watch real human beings in distress ....because of the ineffectivness of the EU. PS oh look here is another EU proposal to have quotas on migrants dished around the EU countries... up pops Cameron saying oh not not us that EU proposal does not apply. UK viewers then wonder is he as good as his word - or will being in the EU mean we will have more?
I am sure everyone on this forum is seriously concerned about this crisis and the daily suffering . David Cameron's statements have been consistent from day one as he led Europe on the right way of dealing with the crisis. Indeed the negotiations in the EU tonight are not dissimilar, though there is a long way to go before anything will change. I do think that remain as represented by DC do have creditability and those in leave will need to say how they would deal with the refugee crisis on a compassionate basis as the daily suffering will increase the demand in the UK to show compassion
If the rest of the European leaders (and those from countries outside the European continent) had used Cameron's plan as a blueprint for how to deal with this crisis I seriously believe we would be an entirely different position right now, a lot more people in genuine need would have been helped and a lot fewer people would have died.
Now I think it is probably too late, at least to get the situation resolved without a lot more heartache and probably a lot more deaths.
Cameron called this one absolutely right. Merkel was absolutely wrong.
BBC Newsnight @BBCNewsnight 2m2 minutes ago Jens Spahn, deputy German Deputy Finance Minister: "I don't see Turkey joining the EU within the next three to five years." #newsnight
Very reassuring - not.
Don't worry they will not be in the EU for decades if ever - remember all 28 have to vote in favour and that's not going to happen any time soon
Ssh. Project Fear (subsection Leave) aren't interested.
Actually if you had bothered paying attention you would have seen that most of the serious Leave posters on here had already said it was a stupid suggestion and won't happen for decades if ever.
If Trump is still competitive (ahead by 3) post debate, on Katich's home turf then I would say he's home and dry overall.
Why have you ignored the Fox2Detroit Michigan poll which was carried out all post debate and gives Trump a 22% lead. You have told us that all the post debate polls show Trump's lead vanishing which is shall we say a little economical with the truth.
Seriously if anyone is daft enough to be betting on your tips they will be bankrupt by the end of the month!.
We all need to make our own judgements as bettors, @Speedy isn't responsible for anyone's trading decisions.
If Trump is still competitive (ahead by 3) post debate, on Katich's home turf then I would say he's home and dry overall.
Why have you ignored the Fox2Detroit Michigan poll which was carried out all post debate and gives Trump a 22% lead. You have told us that all the post debate polls show Trump's lead vanishing which is shall we say a little economical with the truth.
Seriously if anyone is daft enough to be betting on your tips they will be bankrupt by the end of the month!.
We all need to make our own judgements as bettors, @Speedy isn't responsible for anyone's trading decisions.
Fair enough everyone can have their own opinions and he can tell people he thinks Kasich is going to win Michigan as he did yesterday, that's fine. However I draw the line at making statements about polls that are simply untrue. Stating that all the post-debate have shown Trump's leads disappearing is not true and it's clear that some people do bet on tips given on PB. I think at least he should acknowledge he made a mistake and not continue as though nothing happened. Perhaps I am just being too stodgy!
Lots of info in that article. Daniel Korski - the oaf who railroaded elderly retired military folk into political statements. Pass the sick bucket.
Do you think old people are useless and incapable of doing politics? Maybe as a compromise, LEAVE would agree to having the referendum decided only by under-65s?
BBC Newsnight @BBCNewsnight 2m2 minutes ago Jens Spahn, deputy German Deputy Finance Minister: "I don't see Turkey joining the EU within the next three to five years." #newsnight
Very reassuring - not.
Don't worry they will not be in the EU for decades if ever - remember all 28 have to vote in favour and that's not going to happen any time soon
Ssh. Project Fear (subsection Leave) aren't interested.
Actually if you had bothered paying attention you would have seen that most of the serious Leave posters on here had already said it was a stupid suggestion and won't happen for decades if ever.
I am not sure that Mr Farage is on the same hymn sheet but then maybe he is not one of the serious leavers you refer to
BBC Newsnight @BBCNewsnight 2m2 minutes ago Jens Spahn, deputy German Deputy Finance Minister: "I don't see Turkey joining the EU within the next three to five years." #newsnight
Very reassuring - not.
Don't worry they will not be in the EU for decades if ever - remember all 28 have to vote in favour and that's not going to happen any time soon
Ssh. Project Fear (subsection Leave) aren't interested.
Actually if you had bothered paying attention you would have seen that most of the serious Leave posters on here had already said it was a stupid suggestion and won't happen for decades if ever.
I am not sure that Mr Farage is on the same hymn sheet but then maybe he is not one of the serious leavers you refer to
LEAVE do not need to say much. The media are talking about the proposal because it is the EU that are negotiating it.
On the face of it, doesn't this draft Merkel plan owe a lot to Cameron's position about only taking people from camps? By linking the numbers to the number of people illegally entering Greece and simultaneously removing the incentive to do so, it could quickly reduce the flow dramatically. That's the optimistic intepretation...
'Don't worry they will not be in the EU for decades if ever - remember all 28 have to vote in favour and that's not going to happen any time soon
Ssh. Project Fear (subsection Leave) aren't interested'
The EU is playing a blinder for Leave.
Get your money on then! Betfair has moved towards remain over the last few weeks.
Sorry to say that there has been a bit of movement towards Leave in the last day or so. It's a dodgy 3.3 right now.
I got on at 4, was hoping that that the odds would be tighter by now so I could cash out all green. Why don't the pb kippers put their money where their mouth is?
BBC Newsnight @BBCNewsnight 2m2 minutes ago Jens Spahn, deputy German Deputy Finance Minister: "I don't see Turkey joining the EU within the next three to five years." #newsnight
Very reassuring - not.
Don't worry they will not be in the EU for decades if ever - remember all 28 have to vote in favour and that's not going to happen any time soon
Ssh. Project Fear (subsection Leave) aren't interested.
Actually if you had bothered paying attention you would have seen that most of the serious Leave posters on here had already said it was a stupid suggestion and won't happen for decades if ever.
I am not sure that Mr Farage is on the same hymn sheet but then maybe he is not one of the serious leavers you refer to
'Don't worry they will not be in the EU for decades if ever - remember all 28 have to vote in favour and that's not going to happen any time soon
Ssh. Project Fear (subsection Leave) aren't interested'
The EU is playing a blinder for Leave.
Get your money on then! Betfair has moved towards remain over the last few weeks.
Sorry to say that there has been a bit of movement towards Leave in the last day or so. It's a dodgy 3.3 right now.
I got on at 4, was hoping that that the odds would be tighter by now so I could cash out all green. Why don't the pb kippers put their money where their mouth is?
BBC Newsnight @BBCNewsnight 2m2 minutes ago Jens Spahn, deputy German Deputy Finance Minister: "I don't see Turkey joining the EU within the next three to five years." #newsnight
Very reassuring - not.
Don't worry they will not be in the EU for decades if ever - remember all 28 have to vote in favour and that's not going to happen any time soon
Ssh. Project Fear (subsection Leave) aren't interested.
Actually if you had bothered paying attention you would have seen that most of the serious Leave posters on here had already said it was a stupid suggestion and won't happen for decades if ever.
I am not sure that Mr Farage is on the same hymn sheet but then maybe he is not one of the serious leavers you refer to
81% in the voodoo poll in the Mirror want to be out of the EU...
The Labour-supporting Mirror. Awkward.
The outers are massively more energised at the moment there is absolutely no doubt about that. They have waited 25 years for this opportunity, they are swarming over every voodoo poll and comment blog available. Does it signify anything re the outcome in June, I very much doubt it.
'Don't worry they will not be in the EU for decades if ever - remember all 28 have to vote in favour and that's not going to happen any time soon
Ssh. Project Fear (subsection Leave) aren't interested'
The EU is playing a blinder for Leave.
Get your money on then! Betfair has moved towards remain over the last few weeks.
Sorry to say that there has been a bit of movement towards Leave in the last day or so. It's a dodgy 3.3 right now.
I got on at 4, was hoping that that the odds would be tighter by now so I could cash out all green. Why don't the pb kippers put their money where their mouth is?
Well, you could cash out now
Nah. Surely Leave can do a bit better at some point over the next few months? They could hardly do worse.
It amazing how many of these top athletics appear to have some terribly serious long term conditions that you would think would provide a huge barrier to actually becoming a world class sports person. All these runners with Thyroid Imbalances, now Sharapova taking a drug for a heart condition.
81% in the voodoo poll in the Mirror want to be out of the EU...
The Labour-supporting Mirror. Awkward.
The outers are massively more energised at the moment there is absolutely no doubt about that. They have waited 25 years for this opportunity, they are swarming over every voodoo poll and comment blog available. Does it signify anything re the outcome in June, I very much doubt it.
81% in the voodoo poll in the Mirror want to be out of the EU...
The Labour-supporting Mirror. Awkward.
The outers are massively more energised at the moment there is absolutely no doubt about that. They have waited 25 years for this opportunity, they are swarming over every voodoo poll and comment blog available. Does it signify anything re the outcome in June, I very much doubt it.
Weeeell Cap'n, it signifies something: Leave have way more enthusiasm and Remain needs to turn out meh/whatever voters to win.
Exclusive: David Cameron aide complained about John Longworth to British Chambers of Commerce hours before he was suspended
Nah - it's all a wild conspiracy theory
If the man held a paid position that required his political neutrality on the issue and he spoke either for or against it then it is inevitable some one would complain. He was very unwise and paid the price.
It amazing how many of these top athletics appear to have some terribly serious long term conditions that you would think would provide a huge barrier to actually becoming a world class sports person. All these runners with Thyroid Imbalances, now Sharapova taking a drug for a heart condition.
Exclusive: David Cameron aide complained about John Longworth to British Chambers of Commerce hours before he was suspended
Nah - it's all a wild conspiracy theory
I don't know about conspiracy theories or not, but I got grief on here earlier when I suggested that if the BCC had taken the BBC approach to breaches of impartiality i.e these comments were in a personal capacity, the organisation remains neutral, this would have all blown over after one day.
It amazing how many of these top athletics appear to have some terribly serious long term conditions that you would think would provide a huge barrier to actually becoming a world class sports person. All these runners with Thyroid Imbalances, now Sharapova taking a drug for a heart condition.
Thought it was diabetes related
I am not a doctor, just going on what the Telegraph say one would take Meldonium for
"Meldonium , also known as mildronate, is a Latvian-manufactured drug popular for fighting heart disease in former Soviet Union countries."
Exclusive: David Cameron aide complained about John Longworth to British Chambers of Commerce hours before he was suspended
Nah - it's all a wild conspiracy theory
I don't know about conspiracy theories or not, but I got grief on here earlier when I suggested that if the BCC had taken the BBC approach to breaches of impartiality i.e these comments were in a personal capacity, the organisation remains neutral, this would have all blown over after one day.
Yes and now we have members of the BCC coming out strongly in support of remain - it was probably inevitable
81% in the voodoo poll in the Mirror want to be out of the EU...
The Labour-supporting Mirror. Awkward.
The outers are massively more energised at the moment there is absolutely no doubt about that. They have waited 25 years for this opportunity, they are swarming over every voodoo poll and comment blog available. Does it signify anything re the outcome in June, I very much doubt it.
Weeeell Cap'n, it signifies something: Leave have way more enthusiasm and Remain needs to turn out meh/whatever voters to win.
and there are over 3 months to go so I wouldn't go opening the champagne just yet!
Exclusive: David Cameron aide complained about John Longworth to British Chambers of Commerce hours before he was suspended
Nah - it's all a wild conspiracy theory
If the man held a paid position that required his political neutrality on the issue and he spoke either for or against it then it is inevitable some one would complain. He was very unwise and paid the price.
I assume on that basis that those BCC regional chairmen will also be suspended for having come out in favour of Remain?
I don't know about conspiracy theories or not, but I got grief on here earlier when I suggested that if the BCC had taken the BBC approach to breaches of impartiality i.e these comments were in a personal capacity, the organisation remains neutral, this would have all blown over after one day.
Personal capacity? The guy was the director-general of the BCC, giving the keynote speech at their conference. This isn't hard to understand, surely?
It amazing how many of these top athletics appear to have some terribly serious long term conditions that you would think would provide a huge barrier to actually becoming a world class sports person. All these runners with Thyroid Imbalances, now Sharapova taking a drug for a heart condition.
Thought it was diabetes related
I am not a doctor, just going on what the Telegraph say one would take Meldonium for
"Meldonium , also known as mildronate, is a Latvian-manufactured drug popular for fighting heart disease in former Soviet Union countries."
Thanks for that - it does seem more likely as she of Russian origin
Exclusive: David Cameron aide complained about John Longworth to British Chambers of Commerce hours before he was suspended
Nah - it's all a wild conspiracy theory
If the man held a paid position that required his political neutrality on the issue and he spoke either for or against it then it is inevitable some one would complain. He was very unwise and paid the price.
I assume on that basis that those BCC regional chairmen will also be suspended for having come out in favour of Remain?
Depends on their regional committees but there is considerable support in BCC for remain
Exclusive: David Cameron aide complained about John Longworth to British Chambers of Commerce hours before he was suspended
Nah - it's all a wild conspiracy theory
If the man held a paid position that required his political neutrality on the issue and he spoke either for or against it then it is inevitable some one would complain. He was very unwise and paid the price.
I assume on that basis that those BCC regional chairmen will also be suspended for having come out in favour of Remain?
Depends on their regional committees but there is considerable support in BCC for remain
81% in the voodoo poll in the Mirror want to be out of the EU...
The Labour-supporting Mirror. Awkward.
The outers are massively more energised at the moment there is absolutely no doubt about that. They have waited 25 years for this opportunity, they are swarming over every voodoo poll and comment blog available. Does it signify anything re the outcome in June, I very much doubt it.
Weeeell Cap'n, it signifies something: Leave have way more enthusiasm and Remain needs to turn out meh/whatever voters to win.
and there are over 3 months to go so I wouldn't go opening the champagne just yet!
I'm not even opening the special offer Co-Op prosecco. (I'm not a Leaver btw.)
Exclusive: David Cameron aide complained about John Longworth to British Chambers of Commerce hours before he was suspended
Nah - it's all a wild conspiracy theory
If the man held a paid position that required his political neutrality on the issue and he spoke either for or against it then it is inevitable some one would complain. He was very unwise and paid the price.
I assume on that basis that those BCC regional chairmen will also be suspended for having come out in favour of Remain?
Depends on their regional committees but there is considerable support in BCC for remain
Not according to their own polling there isn't.
The last poll I read was 60% for remain but there is considerable support for remain in BCC
As with our referendum, there are domestic politics involved in the EU discussions - Merkel has three state elections next week which are not expectede to go well, and an EU deal would be handy purely in the sense of "At last they're getting a grip". Whether it will actually work I'm not sure - the human pressures involved may make any kind of solution impossible, regardless of the EU.
It's possible that the surprisingly successful cease-fire in Syria will be easing the push pressure a bit, though. It had got to the point that even perennial optimists and patriots of one kind or another must have felt that the time had come to head for Europe at all costs rather than just wait to be killed. The same people may now be saying "Well, maybe it'll work out, let's give it a little while".
Are you tempted to "pick the pennies in front of the bulldozer" with Romney ?
I'm happy enough to let both of my Romney/Ryan bets play out. Not worth laying at current odds now a brokered convention is looking so much more likely.
I don't know about conspiracy theories or not, but I got grief on here earlier when I suggested that if the BCC had taken the BBC approach to breaches of impartiality i.e these comments were in a personal capacity, the organisation remains neutral, this would have all blown over after one day.
Personal capacity? The guy was the director-general of the BCC, giving the keynote speech at their conference. This isn't hard to understand, surely?
You appear to miss my point...for a second time. What I am saying is that if they had come up with some BS spin rather than giving him the boot, this story would have gone away within a day. BCC bod says something, BCC says we like to stay neutral, everybody jogs on. In the grand scheme of things it is still all small beer.
As with our referendum, there are domestic politics involved in the EU discussions - Merkel has three state elections next week which are not expectede to go well, and an EU deal would be handy purely in the sense of "At last they're getting a grip". Whether it will actually work I'm not sure - the human pressures involved may make any kind of solution impossible, regardless of the EU.
It's possible that the surprisingly successful cease-fire in Syria will be easing the push pressure a bit, though. It had got to the point that even perennial optimists and patriots of one kind or another must have felt that the time had come to head for Europe at all costs rather than just wait to be killed. The same people may now be saying "Well, maybe it'll work out, let's give it a little while".
I would like to think you are right about that but I am not sure if it is not a bit premature
It amazing how many of these top athletics appear to have some terribly serious long term conditions that you would think would provide a huge barrier to actually becoming a world class sports person. All these runners with Thyroid Imbalances, now Sharapova taking a drug for a heart condition.
Thought it was diabetes related
I am not a doctor, just going on what the Telegraph say one would take Meldonium for
"Meldonium , also known as mildronate, is a Latvian-manufactured drug popular for fighting heart disease in former Soviet Union countries."
Sounds very dodgy. No decent trial evidence for heart failure but builds up exercise tolerance and is popular in old soviet block countries. Hard to see why it is banned.
Exclusive: David Cameron aide complained about John Longworth to British Chambers of Commerce hours before he was suspended
Nah - it's all a wild conspiracy theory
If the man held a paid position that required his political neutrality on the issue and he spoke either for or against it then it is inevitable some one would complain. He was very unwise and paid the price.
I assume on that basis that those BCC regional chairmen will also be suspended for having come out in favour of Remain?
Depends on their regional committees but there is considerable support in BCC for remain
Not according to their own polling there isn't.
The last poll I read was 60% for remain but there is considerable support for remain in BCC
They have 104,000 members. There was an open invite to members to take part in the poll (rather than a targeted representative poll) and only 2000 replies were received.
To claim this was representative of the views of the BCC membership is laughable given it represented less than 2% of those eligible to take part. It is a voodoo poll no better than the Mirror poll quoted earlier.
The Guardian and BBC accounts of the proposed deal with Turkey are rather different from the FT account, suggesting it is Turkey's proposal, not Angela Merkel's:
'Don't worry they will not be in the EU for decades if ever - remember all 28 have to vote in favour and that's not going to happen any time soon
Ssh. Project Fear (subsection Leave) aren't interested'
The EU is playing a blinder for Leave.
Get your money on then! Betfair has moved towards remain over the last few weeks.
Sorry to say that there has been a bit of movement towards Leave in the last day or so. It's a dodgy 3.3 right now.
I got on at 4, was hoping that that the odds would be tighter by now so I could cash out all green. Why don't the pb kippers put their money where their mouth is?
Well, you could cash out now
Nah. Surely Leave can do a bit better at some point over the next few months? They could hardly do worse.
Even if Leave is headed for a 10-point defeat I think it will head under 3.0 again due to some combination of polls and events.
You appear to miss my point...for a second time. What I am saying is that if they had come up with some BS spin rather than giving him the boot, this story would have gone away within a day. BCC bod says something, BCC says we like to stay neutral, everybody jogs on. In the grand scheme of things it is still all small beer.
True, it's very small beer.
But I think it would have been impossible for the BCC to try to spin it as you suggest, given his position and the occasion.
Exclusive: David Cameron aide complained about John Longworth to British Chambers of Commerce hours before he was suspended
Nah - it's all a wild conspiracy theory
If the man held a paid position that required his political neutrality on the issue and he spoke either for or against it then it is inevitable some one would complain. He was very unwise and paid the price.
I assume on that basis that those BCC regional chairmen will also be suspended for having come out in favour of Remain?
Depends on their regional committees but there is considerable support in BCC for remain
Not according to their own polling there isn't.
The last poll I read was 60% for remain but there is considerable support for remain in BCC
They have 104,000 members. There was an open invite to members to take part in the poll (rather than a targeted representative poll) and only 2000 replies were received.
To claim this was representative of the views of the BCC membership is laughable given it represented less than 2% of those eligible to take part. It is a voodoo poll no better than the Mirror poll quoted earlier.
Maybe but you cannot deny the BCC has got many remain members and indeed this was the reason they wanted to stay neutral. Anyway not for the first time my tablet battery is flashing lowe at me so may I wish one and all a very good night
It amazing how many of these top athletics appear to have some terribly serious long term conditions that you would think would provide a huge barrier to actually becoming a world class sports person. All these runners with Thyroid Imbalances, now Sharapova taking a drug for a heart condition.
Thought it was diabetes related
I am not a doctor, just going on what the Telegraph say one would take Meldonium for
"Meldonium , also known as mildronate, is a Latvian-manufactured drug popular for fighting heart disease in former Soviet Union countries."
Sounds very dodgy. No decent trial evidence for heart failure but builds up exercise tolerance and is popular in old soviet block countries. Hard to see why it is banned.
Did you mean to say that? That reads like you think it should be allowed, despite as you state it builds up exercise tolerance.
Exclusive: David Cameron aide complained about John Longworth to British Chambers of Commerce hours before he was suspended
Nah - it's all a wild conspiracy theory
If the man held a paid position that required his political neutrality on the issue and he spoke either for or against it then it is inevitable some one would complain. He was very unwise and paid the price.
I assume on that basis that those BCC regional chairmen will also be suspended for having come out in favour of Remain?
Depends on their regional committees but there is considerable support in BCC for remain
Not according to their own polling there isn't.
The last poll I read was 60% for remain but there is considerable support for remain in BCC
They have 104,000 members. There was an open invite to members to take part in the poll (rather than a targeted representative poll) and only 2000 replies were received.
To claim this was representative of the views of the BCC membership is laughable given it represented less than 2% of those eligible to take part. It is a voodoo poll no better than the Mirror poll quoted earlier.
Maybe but you cannot deny the BCC has got many remain members and indeed this was the reason they wanted to stay neutral. Anyway not for the first time my tablet battery is flashing lowe at me so may I wish one and all a very good night
Schengen has collapsed in barbed wire and border controls between EU countries. And now in a further blow to EU unity, tensions ratcheting up over Gibraltar - its all interconnected in the domino effect of the wider collapse of the Euro and the EU just starting to gather momentum:
And less than a week now to the 13th / 14th March 2016 turn date where investors start to lose faith in ever lower interest rates stimulating the Eurozone economy.
Exclusive: David Cameron aide complained about John Longworth to British Chambers of Commerce hours before he was suspended
Nah - it's all a wild conspiracy theory
If the man held a paid position that required his political neutrality on the issue and he spoke either for or against it then it is inevitable some one would complain. He was very unwise and paid the price.
I assume on that basis that those BCC regional chairmen will also be suspended for having come out in favour of Remain?
Depends on their regional committees but there is considerable support in BCC for remain
Not according to their own polling there isn't.
The last poll I read was 60% for remain but there is considerable support for remain in BCC
They have 104,000 members. There was an open invite to members to take part in the poll (rather than a targeted representative poll) and only 2000 replies were received.
To claim this was representative of the views of the BCC membership is laughable given it represented less than 2% of those eligible to take part. It is a voodoo poll no better than the Mirror poll quoted earlier.
Maybe but you cannot deny the BCC has got many remain members and indeed this was the reason they wanted to stay neutral. Anyway not for the first time my tablet battery is flashing lowe at me so may I wish one and all a very good night
Honestly who knows. We know that big businesses like the EU more than small businesses and given that the vast majority of the 104,000 BCC members will be small or micro- businesses I don't know how anyone can claim to know what they think overall and how that should be reflected by the BCC.
Interestingly out of the 2,064 replies that gave information, 1,012 (49%) said they did not export anything to the EU.
It amazing how many of these top athletics appear to have some terribly serious long term conditions that you would think would provide a huge barrier to actually becoming a world class sports person. All these runners with Thyroid Imbalances, now Sharapova taking a drug for a heart condition.
Thought it was diabetes related
I am not a doctor, just going on what the Telegraph say one would take Meldonium for
"Meldonium , also known as mildronate, is a Latvian-manufactured drug popular for fighting heart disease in former Soviet Union countries."
Sounds very dodgy. No decent trial evidence for heart failure but builds up exercise tolerance and is popular in old soviet block countries. Hard to see why it is banned.
Did you mean to say that? That reads like you think it should be allowed, despite as you state it builds up exercise tolerance.
The last sentence was meant ironically. I can see no legitimate use for the drug.
It amazing how many of these top athletics appear to have some terribly serious long term conditions that you would think would provide a huge barrier to actually becoming a world class sports person. All these runners with Thyroid Imbalances, now Sharapova taking a drug for a heart condition.
Thought it was diabetes related
I am not a doctor, just going on what the Telegraph say one would take Meldonium for
"Meldonium , also known as mildronate, is a Latvian-manufactured drug popular for fighting heart disease in former Soviet Union countries."
Sounds very dodgy. No decent trial evidence for heart failure but builds up exercise tolerance and is popular in old soviet block countries. Hard to see why it is banned.
Did you mean to say that? That reads like you think it should be allowed, despite as you state it builds up exercise tolerance.
The last sentence was meant ironically. I can see no legitimate use for the drug.
Sorry, I should have got that..
"I received an email on 22 December from Wada about the changes happening to the banned list and you can see prohibited items - and I didn't click on that link."
She is a top level professional athlete with access to any number of world leading doctors, sports medicine professionals etc. You would think that anything like this you would be printing out and sending to several doctors ASAP saying does this affect anything I take (and also filing any responses). In todays world, the dog eat my homework, or the classic in athletes case "The doorbell was broken" just doesn't wash.
It amazing how many of these top athletics appear to have some terribly serious long term conditions that you would think would provide a huge barrier to actually becoming a world class sports person. All these runners with Thyroid Imbalances, now Sharapova taking a drug for a heart condition.
Thought it was diabetes related
I am not a doctor, just going on what the Telegraph say one would take Meldonium for
"Meldonium , also known as mildronate, is a Latvian-manufactured drug popular for fighting heart disease in former Soviet Union countries."
Sounds very dodgy. No decent trial evidence for heart failure but builds up exercise tolerance and is popular in old soviet block countries. Hard to see why it is banned.
Did you mean to say that? That reads like you think it should be allowed, despite as you state it builds up exercise tolerance.
The last sentence was meant ironically. I can see no legitimate use for the drug.
Sorry, I should have got that..
"I received an email on 22 December from Wada about the changes happening to the banned list and you can see prohibited items - and I didn't click on that link."
She is a top level professional athlete with access to any number of world leading doctors, sports medicine professionals etc. You would think that anything like this you would be printing out and sending to several doctors ASAP saying does this affect anything I take (and also filing any responses). In todays world, the dog eat my homework, or the classic in athletes case "The doorbell was broken" just doesn't wash.
you could at least try a "the mafia has spiked my sample in a dispute sparked by a malaysian betting syndicate"....
81% in the voodoo poll in the Mirror want to be out of the EU...
The Labour-supporting Mirror. Awkward.
The outers are massively more energised at the moment there is absolutely no doubt about that. They have waited 25 years for this opportunity, they are swarming over every voodoo poll and comment blog available. Does it signify anything re the outcome in June, I very much doubt it.
Very similar to the Scots Nats at the moment
Some things are similar, some things different.
With EURef at least we have a reasonable minority of LEAVErs (on these boards, albeit not in the campaigns) who say 'this is the plan, not everyone will like it, but it would work' - that was a rarity with SINDYREF where the vast majority of Nats were 'Too wee, too poor, too stupid, we've heard it all before, its all about GOTV....' 'What about the currency?' 'Too wee, too poor......repeat ad infinitum......
The similarities are - any criticism of a LEAVE proposal is 'TalkingScotland Britain down', any exposure of gaps in LEAVE thinking is 'PROJECT FEAR' and a general view that 'its all a Westminster/Fleet Street conspiracy'.
In two days we will get the GERS numbers so we can see quite how catastrophically bad SINDY's finances would have been - though I hear Whisky Export Duty is up one million percent......
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Nah - it's all a wild conspiracy theory
I glance at my screen and watch real human beings in distress ....because of the ineffectivness of the EU. PS oh look here is another EU proposal to have quotas on migrants dished around the EU countries... up pops Cameron saying oh not not us that EU proposal does not apply. UK viewers then wonder is he as good as his word - or will being in the EU mean we will have more?
Douglas Carswell MP @DouglasCarswell
@DanielKorski - key architect of Downing St Project Fear
Jens Spahn, deputy German Deputy Finance Minister: "I don't see Turkey joining the EU within the next three to five years." #newsnight
Very reassuring - not.
The BCC president says resignation "agreed mutually between Mr Longworth and the BCC Board, and there were no external factors involved".
Having listened to Longworth Mr Tyke he does come across as a professional yorkshireman. I'm sure you might want to disagree.
Maybe as a compromise, LEAVE would agree to having the referendum decided only by under-65s?
Iain Martin @iainmartin1
Anyone going on about John Longworth, stop it. Read story in @FT about Merkel's draft deal. Huge story, biggest of referendum so far.
Can only assume deal gets quashed, but what then? The leading leader in Europe came up with nuts migration plan. Credibility gone, surely?
The economic and security case for Turkish membership of the EU is therefore stronger than ever.**
William Hague (Foreign Secretary) and Alexander Stubb (Finish Foreign Minister) in the FT, September 8, 2010.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/0cc72202-bb7f-11df-a136-00144feab49a.html#axzz42GEBoe00
** No doubt Fox will state that they were diplomatically flannelling ...
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/mar/07/hinkley-point-c-nuclear-project-in-crisis-as-edf-finance-director-resigns
https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedAndrew/status/706966222336823296
Pity for Schoen Consulting that their presentation was so unbelievable that not even Bloomberg believed them.
P.S. The above plus the Jeb Bush campaign plus the Marco Rubio campaign proves that most election consultants in America are just scammers.
Frau Merkel's brilliant new migration plan: to save Europe she is going to destroy Europe: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/2bde51d6-e4a2-11e5-ac45-5c039e797d1c.html#axzz42Ezg7g8Y …
Now I think it is probably too late, at least to get the situation resolved without a lot more heartache and probably a lot more deaths.
Cameron called this one absolutely right. Merkel was absolutely wrong.
'Don't worry they will not be in the EU for decades if ever - remember all 28 have to vote in favour and that's not going to happen any time soon
Ssh. Project Fear (subsection Leave) aren't interested'
The EU is playing a blinder for Leave.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12172525/War-hero-felt-pressured-by-No.10-into-signing-pro-Europe-letter.html
This may be the most barking idea proposed by a serious political figure I have ever come across http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/2bde51d6-e4a2-11e5-ac45-5c039e797d1c.html#axzz42Ezg7g8Y …
If the man held a paid position that required his political neutrality on the issue and he spoke either for or against it then it is inevitable some one would complain. He was very unwise and paid the price.
"Meldonium , also known as mildronate, is a Latvian-manufactured drug popular for fighting heart disease in former Soviet Union countries."
It's possible that the surprisingly successful cease-fire in Syria will be easing the push pressure a bit, though. It had got to the point that even perennial optimists and patriots of one kind or another must have felt that the time had come to head for Europe at all costs rather than just wait to be killed. The same people may now be saying "Well, maybe it'll work out, let's give it a little while".
To claim this was representative of the views of the BCC membership is laughable given it represented less than 2% of those eligible to take part. It is a voodoo poll no better than the Mirror poll quoted earlier.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/07/eu-offers-another-3bn-to-turkey-at-emergency-migration-summit
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35749837
Either way, it looks a non-starter without considerable modification.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35749837?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_breaking&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=news_central
But I think it would have been impossible for the BCC to try to spin it as you suggest, given his position and the occasion.
https://t.co/JBW8eVj9sC
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/spain/10223065/Gibraltar-dispute-is-a-serious-concern-says-David-Cameron.html
And less than a week now to the 13th / 14th March 2016 turn date where investors start to lose faith in ever lower interest rates stimulating the Eurozone economy.
Good night all.
Interestingly out of the 2,064 replies that gave information, 1,012 (49%) said they did not export anything to the EU.
Some Rubio advisers say get out before Florida
Yorkshire is the poppers capital of Britain.
"I received an email on 22 December from Wada about the changes happening to the banned list and you can see prohibited items - and I didn't click on that link."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/35750285
She is a top level professional athlete with access to any number of world leading doctors, sports medicine professionals etc. You would think that anything like this you would be printing out and sending to several doctors ASAP saying does this affect anything I take (and also filing any responses). In todays world, the dog eat my homework, or the classic in athletes case "The doorbell was broken" just doesn't wash.
With EURef at least we have a reasonable minority of LEAVErs (on these boards, albeit not in the campaigns) who say 'this is the plan, not everyone will like it, but it would work' - that was a rarity with SINDYREF where the vast majority of Nats were 'Too wee, too poor, too stupid, we've heard it all before, its all about GOTV....' 'What about the currency?' 'Too wee, too poor......repeat ad infinitum......
The similarities are - any criticism of a LEAVE proposal is 'TalkingScotland Britain down', any exposure of gaps in LEAVE thinking is 'PROJECT FEAR' and a general view that 'its all a Westminster/Fleet Street conspiracy'.
In two days we will get the GERS numbers so we can see quite how catastrophically bad SINDY's finances would have been - though I hear Whisky Export Duty is up one million percent......
http://blog.mcnalu.net/gers-revenue-2014-15.html