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Bloomfield (Lab defence) on Blackpool
Result of council at last election (2015): Labour 29, Conservatives 13 (Labour majority of 16)
Result of ward at last election (2015) : Emboldened denotes elected
Labour 1,045, 902 (45%)
United Kingdom Independence Party 585 (25%)
Conservative 463, 294 (20%)
Green Party 202 (9%)
Independent 37 (2%)
Candidates duly nominated:
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Which is why UKIP has risen, and it's why if the government rolls over post a Remain vote, it will continue to rise.another_richard said:
That's true but if there's two things that's been proved this year is that the establishment will never stand up to the EU and that the establishment will do anything to remain in the EU.rcs1000 said:
Until now, Richard, there has not been a consensus for leaving. When political parties stood on a "leave the EU platform", such as Labour in 1983, or UKIP in 2010, they did very badly.another_richard said:
And that's exactly what some people said in 1975.Wanderer said:
^Thisrcs1000 said:Fellow Leavers.
If we vote to Remain, it does not mean we are destined to join a European superstate, the Euro, etc. It merely means that we will need to wait until either (a) about a decade has passed, or (b) the Eurocrats make too blatant a power grab. The population of today does not decide for the population of tomorrow: if being inside the EU is sufficiently electorally unpopular, then we will leave the EU.
If anyone thinks a Remain result means we agree to anything and everything they will get an unpleasant shock.
Yet joining the Euro was sufficiently politically unpopular that we did not do it, even when ostensibly pro-EU parties were elected.
We are being given an opportunity now because anti-EU parties have made an impact. If we vote to Remain, then we have the opportunity to elect UKIP MPs and Eurosceptics from other parties. That is the nature of democracy.
By the time you've elected all your Eurosceptic MPs a lot of damage could have been done.
And getting those Eurosceptic MPs might be easier said than done - IIRC Cameron claimed to be more Eurosceptic than Davis back in 2005, the reality we see now has come as a shock to many (but not to me).0 -
So why has the UKIP vote collapsed in most council by elections since May and why have around 20 of their councillors resigned from their party since May ?rcs1000 said:FPT:
Which is why UKIP has risen, and it's why if the government rolls over post a Remain vote, it will continue to rise.another_richard said:
That's true but if there's two things that's been proved this year is that the establishment will never stand up to the EU and that the establishment will do anything to remain in the EU.rcs1000 said:
Until now, Richard, there has not been a consensus for leaving. When political parties stood on a "leave the EU platform", such as Labour in 1983, or UKIP in 2010, they did very badly.another_richard said:
And that's exactly what some people said in 1975.Wanderer said:
^Thisrcs1000 said:Fellow Leavers.
If we vote to Remain, it does not mean we are destined to join a European superstate, the Euro, etc. It merely means that we will need to wait until either (a) about a decade has passed, or (b) the Eurocrats make too blatant a power grab. The population of today does not decide for the population of tomorrow: if being inside the EU is sufficiently electorally unpopular, then we will leave the EU.
If anyone thinks a Remain result means we agree to anything and everything they will get an unpleasant shock.
Yet joining the Euro was sufficiently politically unpopular that we did not do it, even when ostensibly pro-EU parties were elected.
We are being given an opportunity now because anti-EU parties have made an impact. If we vote to Remain, then we have the opportunity to elect UKIP MPs and Eurosceptics from other parties. That is the nature of democracy.
By the time you've elected all your Eurosceptic MPs a lot of damage could have been done.
And getting those Eurosceptic MPs might be easier said than done - IIRC Cameron claimed to be more Eurosceptic than Davis back in 2005, the reality we see now has come as a shock to many (but not to me).0 -
So this is what it's come to - A British Prime Minister goes to France and get's the French to intimidate and threaten his own citizens...
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Further ammunition for the Leave campaign comes in the new General Data Protection Regulation. It imposes a potential fine for breach of 20,000,000 EUR or 4% of annual worldwide turnover, whichever is greater. Given small and medium sized organisations are far more likely to have 4% of their turnover come in at less than 20,000,000 EUR it will have a disproportionate impact on them over large multinationals
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Rasmussen national general election
Clinton 41
Trump 36
Trump has the support of 65% of GOP voters, while Clinton picks up 76% of the vote among Democrats. Twenty-two percent (22%) of Republicans and 13% of Democrats like some other candidate right now. Among voters not affiliated with either major party, it’s Trump 34%, Clinton 32%, with nearly as many (28%) who prefer someone else.
Trump has a slight edge among male voters, but Clinton posts a double-digit lead among women.
Voters 65 and older are the only age group in which the Republican has the advantage. However, Clinton has struggled in the primaries to capture the youth vote, and while she has a 16-point lead over Trump among those under 40, 30% of these voters either like another candidate or are undecided at this time.
Trump has a modest lead among whites; Clinton leads overwhelmingly among blacks and has a 10-point advantage among other minority voters. But roughly one-out-of-four white and other minority voters like someone else or are undecided.
Most conservatives favor Trump, while even more liberals like Clinton. The Democrat leads by nine among self-described political moderates.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/clinton_edges_ahead_of_trump_in_presidential_matchup0 -
Re the Bondfields by election , Labour won this ward in 2012 and are therefore defending it in May . Possibly the Conservative win in 2014 and certainly the high Green vote in that year can be attributed to Labour fielding a lady with an Islamic sounding name .0
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Sajid Javids comments today seem to be saying "I will continue to play the Cameroon game of talking like a eurosceptic to keep party support, while not actually walking the walk". It reminds me of the Labour line about "controlling" immigration while not actually enacting any policies to reduce it. For the electorate, whatever side of the debate you fall on, it just makes you seem untrustworthy.0
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Are you saying that Leave does not want our personal data protecting ?HYUFD said:Further ammunition for the Leave campaign comes in the new General Data Protection Regulation. It imposes a potential fine for breach of 20,000,000 EUR or 4% of annual worldwide turnover, whichever is greater. Given small and medium sized organisations are far more likely to have 4% of their turnover come in at less than 20,000,000 EUR it will have a disproportionate impact on them over large multinationals
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regulation
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I've blinked and cashed out my Republican Nom market.0
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Referendum.MarkSenior said:
So why has the UKIP vote collapsed in most council by elections since May and why have around 20 of their councillors resigned from their party since May ?rcs1000 said:FPT:
Which is why UKIP has risen, and it's why if the government rolls over post a Remain vote, it will continue to rise.another_richard said:
That's true but if there's two things that's been proved this year is that the establishment will never stand up to the EU and that the establishment will do anything to remain in the EU.rcs1000 said:
Until now, Richard, there has not been a consensus for leaving. When political parties stood on a "leave the EU platform", such as Labour in 1983, or UKIP in 2010, they did very badly.another_richard said:
And that's exactly what some people said in 1975.Wanderer said:
^Thisrcs1000 said:Fellow Leavers.
If we vote to Remain, it does not mean we are destined to join a European superstate, the Euro, etc. It merely means that we will need to wait until either (a) about a decade has passed, or (b) the Eurocrats make too blatant a power grab. The population of today does not decide for the population of tomorrow: if being inside the EU is sufficiently electorally unpopular, then we will leave the EU.
If anyone thinks a Remain result means we agree to anything and everything they will get an unpleasant shock.
Yet joining the Euro was sufficiently politically unpopular that we did not do it, even when ostensibly pro-EU parties were elected.
We are being given an opportunity now because anti-EU parties have made an impact. If we vote to Remain, then we have the opportunity to elect UKIP MPs and Eurosceptics from other parties. That is the nature of democracy.
By the time you've elected all your Eurosceptic MPs a lot of damage could have been done.
And getting those Eurosceptic MPs might be easier said than done - IIRC Cameron claimed to be more Eurosceptic than Davis back in 2005, the reality we see now has come as a shock to many (but not to me).0 -
Maybe because UKIP has poor local organisation, zero relevant council policies, and your local councillor is unlikely to have any meaningful impact on whether the UK stays in the EU.MarkSenior said:
So why has the UKIP vote collapsed in most council by elections since May and why have around 20 of their councillors resigned from their party since May ?rcs1000 said:FPT:
Which is why UKIP has risen, and it's why if the government rolls over post a Remain vote, it will continue to rise.another_richard said:
That's true but if there's two things that's been proved this year is that the establishment will never stand up to the EU and that the establishment will do anything to remain in the EU.rcs1000 said:
Until now, Richard, there has not been a consensus for leaving. When political parties stood on a "leave the EU platform", such as Labour in 1983, or UKIP in 2010, they did very badly.another_richard said:
And that's exactly what some people said in 1975.Wanderer said:
^Thisrcs1000 said:Fellow Leavers.
If we vote to Remain, it does not mean we are destined to join a European superstate, the Euro, etc. It merely means that we will need to wait until either (a) about a decade has passed, or (b) the Eurocrats make too blatant a power grab. The population of today does not decide for the population of tomorrow: if being inside the EU is sufficiently electorally unpopular, then we will leave the EU.
If anyone thinks a Remain result means we agree to anything and everything they will get an unpleasant shock.
Yet joining the Euro was sufficiently politically unpopular that we did not do it, even when ostensibly pro-EU parties were elected.
We are being given an opportunity now because anti-EU parties have made an impact. If we vote to Remain, then we have the opportunity to elect UKIP MPs and Eurosceptics from other parties. That is the nature of democracy.
By the time you've elected all your Eurosceptic MPs a lot of damage could have been done.
And getting those Eurosceptic MPs might be easier said than done - IIRC Cameron claimed to be more Eurosceptic than Davis back in 2005, the reality we see now has come as a shock to many (but not to me).0 -
Am I crazy for thinking now is an outstanding time to be backing Donald Trump?0
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That is not the issue, the issue is that fines for potential breaches as a result of this legislation could have a disproportionate impact on smaller businesses and organisations, fines should be levied solely as a percentage of turnover, certainly if the alternative is such a large fineMarkSenior said:
Are you saying that Leave does not want our personal data protecting ?HYUFD said:Further ammunition for the Leave campaign comes in the new General Data Protection Regulation. It imposes a potential fine for breach of 20,000,000 EUR or 4% of annual worldwide turnover, whichever is greater. Given small and medium sized organisations are far more likely to have 4% of their turnover come in at less than 20,000,000 EUR it will have a disproportionate impact on them over large multinationals
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regulation0 -
If you're crazy, then I don't want to be sane.AlastairMeeks said:Am I crazy for thinking now is an outstanding time to be backing Donald Trump?
I've done a full reverse ferret on both the GOP nom and POTUS for Trump0 -
Am I alone in thinking that Cameron's hysterical campaign will not go down well and that he could indeed be riding for a fall?GIN1138 said:So this is what it's come to - A British Prime Minister goes to France and get's the French to intimidate and threaten his own citizens...
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Hmm, I don't even have the excuse of alcohol-affected betting because I haven't had a drink in 10 days.0
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No. The time is now, the moment is at hand.AlastairMeeks said:Am I crazy for thinking now is an outstanding time to be backing Donald Trump?
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Well, let's start with turnover being a rubbish way of measuring fines. A pharmaceutical distributor will have billions of pounds of sales, but a few tens of millions of pounds of profit. Why? Because distributing pharmaceuticals is a very low margin business.MarkSenior said:
Are you saying that Leave does not want our personal data protecting ?HYUFD said:Further ammunition for the Leave campaign comes in the new General Data Protection Regulation. It imposes a potential fine for breach of 20,000,000 EUR or 4% of annual worldwide turnover, whichever is greater. Given small and medium sized organisations are far more likely to have 4% of their turnover come in at less than 20,000,000 EUR it will have a disproportionate impact on them over large multinationals
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regulation
To the point: I think what HYUFD is saying is it should be up to the UK government to set the correct levels of fine for negligent behaviour that causes data leaks. That being said, I find myself slightly torn on this. When I use Amazon, I have no idea whether the site is hosted in Luxembourg or in Liverpool, so this is an area where I can see the benefit of cross-country co-operation.0 -
Cameron must go.0
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Is a breach ajudged to have happened at the parent or the subsidiary level? If the latter, it is highly likely the maximum fine is almost impossible to be imposed anyway.HYUFD said:
That is not the issue, the issue is that fines for potential breaches as a result of this legislation could have a disproportionate impact on smaller businesses and organisations, fines should be levied solely as a percentage of turnover, certainly if the alternative is such a large fineMarkSenior said:
Are you saying that Leave does not want our personal data protecting ?HYUFD said:Further ammunition for the Leave campaign comes in the new General Data Protection Regulation. It imposes a potential fine for breach of 20,000,000 EUR or 4% of annual worldwide turnover, whichever is greater. Given small and medium sized organisations are far more likely to have 4% of their turnover come in at less than 20,000,000 EUR it will have a disproportionate impact on them over large multinationals
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Rasmussen is also the most GOP-leaning national pollster in the US.HYUFD said:Rasmussen national general election
Clinton 41
Trump 36
Trump has the support of 65% of GOP voters, while Clinton picks up 76% of the vote among Democrats. Twenty-two percent (22%) of Republicans and 13% of Democrats like some other candidate right now. Among voters not affiliated with either major party, it’s Trump 34%, Clinton 32%, with nearly as many (28%) who prefer someone else.
Trump has a slight edge among male voters, but Clinton posts a double-digit lead among women.
Voters 65 and older are the only age group in which the Republican has the advantage. However, Clinton has struggled in the primaries to capture the youth vote, and while she has a 16-point lead over Trump among those under 40, 30% of these voters either like another candidate or are undecided at this time.
Trump has a modest lead among whites; Clinton leads overwhelmingly among blacks and has a 10-point advantage among other minority voters. But roughly one-out-of-four white and other minority voters like someone else or are undecided.
Most conservatives favor Trump, while even more liberals like Clinton. The Democrat leads by nine among self-described political moderates.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/clinton_edges_ahead_of_trump_in_presidential_matchup0 -
Greater fan loyalty knows no more than a man who drops all his spurs players from his fantasy team in the certain hope that by doing so will ensure they score bundles as a result in the next game... selling Kane should also ensure a hat trick too.
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On.chestnut said:Cameron must go.
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Just one place behind you, you know what's going to happen this weekend.Scrapheap_as_was said:Greater fan loyalty knows no more than a man who drops all his spurs players from his fantasy team in the certain hope that by doing so will ensure they score bundles as a result in the next game... selling Kane should also ensure a hat trick too.
I'm going to play Augero as triple captain this weekend, and they play Villa0 -
Anywhere.
His wimpish performance is inadequate.0 -
And then Norwich...TheScreamingEagles said:
Just one place behind you, you know what's going to happen this weekend.Scrapheap_as_was said:Greater fan loyalty knows no more than a man who drops all his spurs players from his fantasy team in the certain hope that by doing so will ensure they score bundles as a result in the next game... selling Kane should also ensure a hat trick too.
I'm going to play Augero as triple captain this weekend, and they play Villa
I saw the desperate use of the bench boost had been forced upon you.. but for Milner...0 -
My latest moves: Back Rubio POTUS 17.0
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Would be interested in your thoughts on the US, if you felt inspired to write a thread header on it.AlastairMeeks said:Hmm, I don't even have the excuse of alcohol-affected betting because I haven't had a drink in 10 days.
Of course, you'd miss out on your regular masochistic fix.0 -
Surely the issue is that the fines should be large enough to act as a deterrent to frms breaching our data protection . ########now if you were arguing that the act did not go far enough in deterring larger businesses and organisations I would probably agree with you .HYUFD said:
That is not the issue, the issue is that fines for potential breaches as a result of this legislation could have a disproportionate impact on smaller businesses and organisations, fines should be levied solely as a percentage of turnover, certainly if the alternative is such a large fineMarkSenior said:
Are you saying that Leave does not want our personal data protecting ?HYUFD said:Further ammunition for the Leave campaign comes in the new General Data Protection Regulation. It imposes a potential fine for breach of 20,000,000 EUR or 4% of annual worldwide turnover, whichever is greater. Given small and medium sized organisations are far more likely to have 4% of their turnover come in at less than 20,000,000 EUR it will have a disproportionate impact on them over large multinationals
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Even a few tens of millions of profit would still enable a large pharmaceutical distributor to absorb a potential fine rather better than a much smaller enterprise would be able to do. Presently the maximum fine under the DPA is £500,000 if the EU imposes a potential fine up to £14,000,000 or so that could have a hugely catastrophic impact on any organisation that is not a vast multi-nationalrcs1000 said:
Well, let's start with turnover being a rubbish way of measuring fines. A pharmaceutical distributor will have billions of pounds of sales, but a few tens of millions of pounds of profit. Why? Because distributing pharmaceuticals is a very low margin business.MarkSenior said:
Are you saying that Leave does not want our personal data protecting ?HYUFD said:Further ammunition for the Leave campaign comes in the new General Data Protection Regulation. It imposes a potential fine for breach of 20,000,000 EUR or 4% of annual worldwide turnover, whichever is greater. Given small and medium sized organisations are far more likely to have 4% of their turnover come in at less than 20,000,000 EUR it will have a disproportionate impact on them over large multinationals
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regulation
To the point: I think what HYUFD is saying is it should be up to the UK government to set the correct levels of fine for negligent behaviour that causes data leaks. That being said, I find myself slightly torn on this. When I use Amazon, I have no idea whether the site is hosted in Luxembourg or in Liverpool, so this is an area where I can see the benefit of cross-country co-operation.0 -
EU has been a low priority concern for most voters for most of the last 20 years. UKIP have done well recently out of conflating immigration problems with EU membership. I think if it does anything at all this referendum debate will kill off the notion that our immigration problems are over if we leave. I think the UKIP slide we are already seeing in by-elections will continue once that is nailed. There are real pros and cons of EU membership but UKIP thrives on superficially scapegoating the EU for everything.rcs1000 said:FPT:
Which is why UKIP has risen, and it's why if the government rolls over post a Remain vote, it will continue to rise.another_richard said:
That's true but if there's two things that's been proved this year is that the establishment will never stand up to the EU and that the establishment will do anything to remain in the EU.rcs1000 said:
Until now, Richard, there has not been a consensus for leaving. When political parties stood on a "leave the EU platform", such as Labour in 1983, or UKIP in 2010, they did very badly.another_richard said:
And that's exactly what some people said in 1975.Wanderer said:
^Thisrcs1000 said:Fellow Leavers.
If we vote to Remain, it does not mean we are destined to join a European superstate, the Euro, etc. It merely means that we will need to wait until either (a) about a decade has passed, or (b) the Eurocrats make too blatant a power grab. The population of today does not decide for the population of tomorrow: if being inside the EU is sufficiently electorally unpopular, then we will leave the EU.
If anyone thinks a Remain result means we agree to anything and everything they will get an unpleasant shock.
Yet joining the Euro was sufficiently politically unpopular that we did not do it, even when ostensibly pro-EU parties were elected.
We are being given an opportunity now because anti-EU parties have made an impact. If we vote to Remain, then we have the opportunity to elect UKIP MPs and Eurosceptics from other parties. That is the nature of democracy.
By the time you've elected all your Eurosceptic MPs a lot of damage could have been done.
And getting those Eurosceptic MPs might be easier said than done - IIRC Cameron claimed to be more Eurosceptic than Davis back in 2005, the reality we see now has come as a shock to many (but not to me).0 -
Aristo Cameron more likelyScrapheap_as_was said:0 -
ITV reporting that Germany has said that in the event of Brexit the Norway or Iceland options would be the only ones on offer and would require contributions and accept free movement of labour. No doubt Germany will be accused of scaremongering but if that becomes the EU position leave will have a problem0
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Desperate measures for desperate times, I can't finish behind a Spurs fan.Scrapheap_as_was said:
And then Norwich...TheScreamingEagles said:
Just one place behind you, you know what's going to happen this weekend.Scrapheap_as_was said:Greater fan loyalty knows no more than a man who drops all his spurs players from his fantasy team in the certain hope that by doing so will ensure they score bundles as a result in the next game... selling Kane should also ensure a hat trick too.
I'm going to play Augero as triple captain this weekend, and they play Villa
I saw the desperate use of the bench boost had been forced upon you.. but for Milner...0 -
Surely the issue is that the fines and penalties should be imposed equally regardless of the size of the organisation. This measure does nothing of the kind and strongly favours multinationals over medium and smaller enterprises who would be less able to absorb them.MarkSenior said:
Surely the issue is that the fines should be large enough to act as a deterrent to frms breaching our data protection . ########now if you were arguing that the act did not go far enough in deterring larger businesses and organisations I would probably agree with you .HYUFD said:
That is not the issue, the issue is that fines for potential breaches as a result of this legislation could have a disproportionate impact on smaller businesses and organisations, fines should be levied solely as a percentage of turnover, certainly if the alternative is such a large fineMarkSenior said:
Are you saying that Leave does not want our personal data protecting ?HYUFD said:Further ammunition for the Leave campaign comes in the new General Data Protection Regulation. It imposes a potential fine for breach of 20,000,000 EUR or 4% of annual worldwide turnover, whichever is greater. Given small and medium sized organisations are far more likely to have 4% of their turnover come in at less than 20,000,000 EUR it will have a disproportionate impact on them over large multinationals
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regulation
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I wish I'd got into this political betting milarky when I tipped The Donald to have a shot at POTUS 12 months ago and was widely ridiculed on here....0
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUVs7vXNZiwTheScreamingEagles said:
Aristo Cameron more likelyScrapheap_as_was said:
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I actually think psychological effects of perceived attempts at bullying would favour leave.Big_G_NorthWales said:ITV reporting that Germany has said that in the event of Brexit the Norway or Iceland options would be the only ones on offer and would require contributions and accept free movement of labour. No doubt Germany will be accused of scaremongering but if that becomes the EU position leave will have a problem
However it is ridiculous to claim they would offer an option to South Korea that isn't available to the UK.0 -
I'm not confident I understand US electoral dynamics at all. I have a good grounding of the facts, but no feel.Wanderer said:
Would be interested in your thoughts on the US, if you felt inspired to write a thread header on it.AlastairMeeks said:Hmm, I don't even have the excuse of alcohol-affected betting because I haven't had a drink in 10 days.
Of course, you'd miss out on your regular masochistic fix.
On the face of it, I can't see why super-uncharismatic Mitt Romney, the ur-Jeb, would be able to change the course of the race. Clearly everyone else feels differently. Anyway, I've increased my exposure to Donald Trump considerably tonight but I'm horribly concerned I've done something stupid.0 -
ITV are only quoting what Germany has stated today though their reporter did say it was significantNorfolkTilIDie said:
I actually think psychological effects of perceived attempts at bullying would favour leave.Big_G_NorthWales said:ITV reporting that Germany has said that in the event of Brexit the Norway or Iceland options would be the only ones on offer and would require contributions and accept free movement of labour. No doubt Germany will be accused of scaremongering but if that becomes the EU position leave will have a problem
However it is ridiculous to claim they would offer an option to South Korea that isn't available to the UK.0 -
Does the South Korean agreement bring it inside the single market for services?NorfolkTilIDie said:
I actually think psychological effects of perceived attempts at bullying would favour leave.Big_G_NorthWales said:ITV reporting that Germany has said that in the event of Brexit the Norway or Iceland options would be the only ones on offer and would require contributions and accept free movement of labour. No doubt Germany will be accused of scaremongering but if that becomes the EU position leave will have a problem
However it is ridiculous to claim they would offer an option to South Korea that isn't available to the UK.0 -
At least you never did a thread header saying Donald Trump will never be POTUS, and laughed at the odds of 150/1GIN1138 said:I wish I'd got into this political betting milarky when I tipped The Donald to have a shot at POTUS 12 months ago and was widely ridiculed on here....
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Highly likely but legally not impossible and most organisations will not be structured as a parent and subsidiaryrcs1000 said:
Is a breach ajudged to have happened at the parent or the subsidiary level? If the latter, it is highly likely the maximum fine is almost impossible to be imposed anyway.HYUFD said:
That is not the issue, the issue is that fines for potential breaches as a result of this legislation could have a disproportionate impact on smaller businesses and organisations, fines should be levied solely as a percentage of turnover, certainly if the alternative is such a large fineMarkSenior said:
Are you saying that Leave does not want our personal data protecting ?HYUFD said:Further ammunition for the Leave campaign comes in the new General Data Protection Regulation. It imposes a potential fine for breach of 20,000,000 EUR or 4% of annual worldwide turnover, whichever is greater. Given small and medium sized organisations are far more likely to have 4% of their turnover come in at less than 20,000,000 EUR it will have a disproportionate impact on them over large multinationals
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On pensions reform, I do not expect a flat rate tax relief. It's just too easy for the losers to work out by how much they've been fleeced.0
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You'll be heading for Roger "this silly banking thing will all be over by Monday" Darmus status is your not carefulTheScreamingEagles said:
At least you never did a thread header saying Donald Trump will never be POTUS, and laughed at the odds of 150/1GIN1138 said:I wish I'd got into this political betting milarky when I tipped The Donald to have a shot at POTUS 12 months ago and was widely ridiculed on here....
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My point was that not all $1bn turnover companies are created equally, and that turnover is a rubbish way to measure business size. So, a company that runs on a 3% net margin (like a distributor or a retailer) would be utterly f*cked by a fine of 4% of turnover, but a software company on a 35% margin would barely notice it.HYUFD said:Even a few tens of millions of profit would still enable a large pharmaceutical distributor to absorb a potential fine rather better than a much smaller enterprise would be able to do. Presently the maximum fine under the DPA is £500,000 if the EU imposes a potential fine up to £14,000,000 or so that could have a hugely catastrophic impact on any organisation that is not a vast multi-national
It would be much more sensible to have fines linked to profitability.0 -
Now there is an issue that makes me turn in to a EU outer head-banger form of rage.TheScreamingEagles said:
Osborne needs to stop buggering about with pensions, it's ridiculous trying to do long term planning when the rules are continually being changed. 'A' day is a long time ago now.0 -
Sworn Trump enemy Senator Lindsey Graham is going soft on Trump:
http://dailycaller.com/2016/03/03/graham-brokered-convention-would-be-unfair-to-trump-audio/
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I think you are being very smart. Romney may have influence with some high income swing voters but not Republican base or blue collar swing voters. All it will do is hurt Trump in the general.AlastairMeeks said:
I'm not confident I understand US electoral dynamics at all. I have a good grounding of the facts, but no feel.Wanderer said:
Would be interested in your thoughts on the US, if you felt inspired to write a thread header on it.AlastairMeeks said:Hmm, I don't even have the excuse of alcohol-affected betting because I haven't had a drink in 10 days.
Of course, you'd miss out on your regular masochistic fix.
On the face of it, I can't see why super-uncharismatic Mitt Romney, the ur-Jeb, would be able to change the course of the race. Clearly everyone else feels differently. Anyway, I've increased my exposure to Donald Trump considerably tonight but I'm horribly concerned I've done something stupid.0 -
I would expect that at every EU meeting or Minister meeings the press will be quizing EU heads at every opportunity and if they agree with Germany's comments tonight it will be a serious blow to leaveNorfolkTilIDie said:
I actually think psychological effects of perceived attempts at bullying would favour leave.Big_G_NorthWales said:ITV reporting that Germany has said that in the event of Brexit the Norway or Iceland options would be the only ones on offer and would require contributions and accept free movement of labour. No doubt Germany will be accused of scaremongering but if that becomes the EU position leave will have a problem
However it is ridiculous to claim they would offer an option to South Korea that isn't available to the UK.0 -
A few eyebrows could be raised. Mirror low blow.
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10 game weeks to go... tick tock as someone once said here a few times...TheScreamingEagles said:
Desperate measures for desperate times, I can't finish behind a Spurs fan.Scrapheap_as_was said:
And then Norwich...TheScreamingEagles said:
Just one place behind you, you know what's going to happen this weekend.Scrapheap_as_was said:Greater fan loyalty knows no more than a man who drops all his spurs players from his fantasy team in the certain hope that by doing so will ensure they score bundles as a result in the next game... selling Kane should also ensure a hat trick too.
I'm going to play Augero as triple captain this weekend, and they play Villa
I saw the desperate use of the bench boost had been forced upon you.. but for Milner...0 -
No but I don't think single market in services even removed all trade barriers for member states. South Korea deal does however remove all tariffs on services and remove most non tariff barriers, albeit marginally less than for member state. Not much in it really.rcs1000 said:
Does the South Korean agreement bring it inside the single market for services?NorfolkTilIDie said:
I actually think psychological effects of perceived attempts at bullying would favour leave.Big_G_NorthWales said:ITV reporting that Germany has said that in the event of Brexit the Norway or Iceland options would be the only ones on offer and would require contributions and accept free movement of labour. No doubt Germany will be accused of scaremongering but if that becomes the EU position leave will have a problem
However it is ridiculous to claim they would offer an option to South Korea that isn't available to the UK.
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'ITV reporting that Germany has said that in the event of Brexit the Norway or Iceland options would be the only ones on offer and would require contributions and accept free movement of labour. No doubt Germany will be accused of scaremongering but if that becomes the EU position leave will have a problem'
Interesting - two things here, I think:
1. An attempt to support the PM's 'there is no alternative' agenda ie. Cameron will claim these options are no better than EU membership (which is a lie, but there we go)
2. Possibly staking out a fall-back position should the vote go for Brexit, which will keep the UK somewhere in the picture and still coughing up.
But we should also note at the same time that the Germans have for a while been making noises about Norway, Iceland etc. getting too good a deal and wanting to force them into a closer relationship with the EU. So they might see it as giving the fish a bit of slack before reeling it in again.
But I would agree with the earlier poster that this is an unconvincing stance given FTAs negotiated with Canada, Mexico, Korea etc.0 -
It's more common than you'd think. My firm has about 35 employees, and we have about half a dozen corporate entities for one reason or another. Multinationals will almost certainly have many. (When I worked at Goldman Sachs, I was an employee of Goldman Sachs Services Ltd., and was seconded to another department. No, I don't know why.)HYUFD said:
Highly likely but legally not impossible and most organisations will not be structured as a parent and subsidiaryrcs1000 said:
Is a breach ajudged to have happened at the parent or the subsidiary level? If the latter, it is highly likely the maximum fine is almost impossible to be imposed anyway.HYUFD said:
That is not the issue, the issue is that fines for potential breaches as a result of this legislation could have a disproportionate impact on smaller businesses and organisations, fines should be levied solely as a percentage of turnover, certainly if the alternative is such a large fineMarkSenior said:
Are you saying that Leave does not want our personal data protecting ?HYUFD said:Further ammunition for the Leave campaign comes in the new General Data Protection Regulation. It imposes a potential fine for breach of 20,000,000 EUR or 4% of annual worldwide turnover, whichever is greater. Given small and medium sized organisations are far more likely to have 4% of their turnover come in at less than 20,000,000 EUR it will have a disproportionate impact on them over large multinationals
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regulation
My guess is that - and this is to your point, even if the maximum fine was removed - then multinationals would have a data holding company that had minimal sales and was several arms lengths away from the actual profit centres of the business, so that in the event of a breach, their liability would be in the tens of thousands not the tens of millions.0 -
Cameron plus Osborne are done.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Now there is an issue that makes me turn in to a EU outer head-banger form of rage.TheScreamingEagles said:
Osborne needs to stop buggering about with pensions, it's ridiculous trying to do long term planning when the rules are continually being changed. 'A' day is a long time ago now.
It may not seem like that to people from the bubble, but how many times are people going to listen to more cuts, extended pension ages, 'vote in, or Dover gets it'?
Dead men waffling.0 -
Kasich is an odd one, I think he'll win Ohio though - and if Rubio loses Florida he perhaps gets brokered convention points..0
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And the winners how much they gain - and their will be a lot more winners than losersAlastairMeeks said:On pensions reform, I do not expect a flat rate tax relief. It's just too easy for the losers to work out by how much they've been fleeced.
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My advice, put a lot on Arsenal to win on Saturday.Scrapheap_as_was said:
10 game weeks to go... tick tock as someone once said here a few times...TheScreamingEagles said:
Desperate measures for desperate times, I can't finish behind a Spurs fan.Scrapheap_as_was said:
And then Norwich...TheScreamingEagles said:
Just one place behind you, you know what's going to happen this weekend.Scrapheap_as_was said:Greater fan loyalty knows no more than a man who drops all his spurs players from his fantasy team in the certain hope that by doing so will ensure they score bundles as a result in the next game... selling Kane should also ensure a hat trick too.
I'm going to play Augero as triple captain this weekend, and they play Villa
I saw the desperate use of the bench boost had been forced upon you.. but for Milner...
I did that during our title charge season, kept on backing our opponents, eventually it paid off.0 -
My firm relies very heavily on the single financial passport to sell our services into the EU. A Norway option is great for us. If passporting is removed it would probably be a death knell to our business. (Or, at the very least, require us to open and man a subsidiary inside the EU.)NorfolkTilIDie said:
No but I don't think single market in services even removed all trade barriers for member states. South Korea deal does however remove all tariffs on services and remove most non tariff barriers, albeit marginally less than for member state. Not much in it really.rcs1000 said:
Does the South Korean agreement bring it inside the single market for services?NorfolkTilIDie said:
I actually think psychological effects of perceived attempts at bullying would favour leave.Big_G_NorthWales said:ITV reporting that Germany has said that in the event of Brexit the Norway or Iceland options would be the only ones on offer and would require contributions and accept free movement of labour. No doubt Germany will be accused of scaremongering but if that becomes the EU position leave will have a problem
However it is ridiculous to claim they would offer an option to South Korea that isn't available to the UK.0 -
Why? Korea and the EU are largely but not entirely complementary apart from the heavy manufacturers in Germany; the UK outside the EU is a trade competitor which may not necessarily be allowed to have its cake and eat itNorfolkTilIDie said:
I actually think psychological effects of perceived attempts at bullying would favour leave.Big_G_NorthWales said:ITV reporting that Germany has said that in the event of Brexit the Norway or Iceland options would be the only ones on offer and would require contributions and accept free movement of labour. No doubt Germany will be accused of scaremongering but if that becomes the EU position leave will have a problem
However it is ridiculous to claim they would offer an option to South Korea that isn't available to the UK.0 -
Well that's the point isn't it? Governments don't want people to plan and to save and to be thrifty, etc. They want people to spend, spend, spend. Saving has been discouraged for years and years.Scrapheap_as_was said:it's ridiculous trying to do long term planning when the rules are continually being changed. 'A' day is a long time ago now.
They just want people to spend and to pay their taxes - British people are chased, literally to the grave by HMRC but American supernational tax avoiders like Google and Amazon do whatever the hell they want.
We really need one heck of a shake up in this country,0 -
Winners are NEVER grateful. Losers are often vengeful. And this time the losers on this occasion are core Conservative voters and, indeed, party members shortly due to select the next leader.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And the winners how much they gain - and their will be a lot more winners than losersAlastairMeeks said:On pensions reform, I do not expect a flat rate tax relief. It's just too easy for the losers to work out by how much they've been fleeced.
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Smirking Osborne thinks that he can get away with anything whilst the bearded idiot is running Labour. He's in for a nasty but well deserved surprise come leadership election time.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Now there is an issue that makes me turn in to a EU outer head-banger form of rage.TheScreamingEagles said:
Osborne needs to stop buggering about with pensions, it's ridiculous trying to do long term planning when the rules are continually being changed. 'A' day is a long time ago now.0 -
According to the great Melissa Kidd of Redburn, savings rates in the UK are at 50 year lows. (Her point, I think, is that we are using the Brexit discussion to avoid talking about the essential structural reforms we need to make.)GIN1138 said:
Well that's the point isn't it? Governments don't want people to plan and to save and to be thrifty, etc. They want people to spend, spend, spend. Saving has been discouraged for years and years.Scrapheap_as_was said:it's ridiculous trying to do long term planning when the rules are continually being changed. 'A' day is a long time ago now.
They just want people to spend and to pay their taxes - British people are chased, literally to the grave by HMRC but American supernational tax avoiders like Google and Amazon do whatever the hell they want.
We really need one heck of a shake up in this country,0 -
Trump on Romney "He was begging for my endorsement, I could have said 'Mitt get on your knees' he would have done so"0
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Same here. I don't really "get" US politics the way a native would. I don't see how Trump is not value at current odds though, for all the reasons we keep rehearsing.AlastairMeeks said:
I'm not confident I understand US electoral dynamics at all. I have a good grounding of the facts, but no feel.Wanderer said:
Would be interested in your thoughts on the US, if you felt inspired to write a thread header on it.AlastairMeeks said:Hmm, I don't even have the excuse of alcohol-affected betting because I haven't had a drink in 10 days.
Of course, you'd miss out on your regular masochistic fix.
On the face of it, I can't see why super-uncharismatic Mitt Romney, the ur-Jeb, would be able to change the course of the race. Clearly everyone else feels differently. Anyway, I've increased my exposure to Donald Trump considerably tonight but I'm horribly concerned I've done something stupid.
I feel some unease about it. The arithmetic says the GOP establishment does still have a window in which to stop Trump, just, if they can figure out how to do it. On the other hand they are not themselves united and using Mitt Romney as a spearhead can't be good.0 -
I don't see Osborne or Boris as Prime MinstersAlastairMeeks said:
Winners are NEVER grateful. Losers are often vengeful. And this time the losers on this occasion are core Conservative voters and, indeed, party members shortly due to select the next leader.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And the winners how much they gain - and their will be a lot more winners than losersAlastairMeeks said:On pensions reform, I do not expect a flat rate tax relief. It's just too easy for the losers to work out by how much they've been fleeced.
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If Labour hadn't thrown themselves off the cliff with Corbyn and had someone even half decent I'd be Lab right now for no other reason than to get Cameron and Osborne out.chestnut said:
Cameron plus Osborne are done.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Now there is an issue that makes me turn in to a EU outer head-banger form of rage.TheScreamingEagles said:
Osborne needs to stop buggering about with pensions, it's ridiculous trying to do long term planning when the rules are continually being changed. 'A' day is a long time ago now.
It may not seem like that to people from the bubble, but how many times are people going to listen to more cuts, extended pension ages, 'vote in, or Dover gets it'?
Dead men waffling.0 -
Off Topic
***** BETTING POST *****
Something for the weekend Sir?
I've been taking a look at the state of the Premier League's Manager "Sack Race" market.
Favourite to win the current round is Utd's LVG with best decimal odds of 4.33. After leading his side to four consecutive wins, his early departure appears decidedly unlikely.
Next in line comes Villa's Remi Garde who only seems to have been at the club 5 minutes, on offer at 4.5. He is followed by Norwich's Alex Neil priced at 8.0.
Surprisingly generously priced, in my view anyway, is fourth-placed Toon's boss Boss Steve McClaren who both Hills and Betfair Sportsbook have available at 9 (i.e. 8/1).
On Saturday, Newcastle are at home against Bournemouth who are also struggling somewhat, but nevertheless are on offer at fairly skinny best odds of only 2.88 to win this game.
I wonder whether McClaren could possibly survive a defeat by the Cherries?
Of course, one is second-guessing how the Chairmen of several football clubs might react to their various problems, but it seems to me that that the 2.88 price against Bournemouth winning is very different when compared with the 9.0 odds against Steve being given his early marching orders.
This falls decidedly into the "fun" category of betting and stakes should certainly be limited to a maximum of just a few quid.
DYOR.0 -
For all that I would be very happy with the Norway or Iceland option, this really is so much bollocks.Big_G_NorthWales said:ITV reporting that Germany has said that in the event of Brexit the Norway or Iceland options would be the only ones on offer and would require contributions and accept free movement of labour. No doubt Germany will be accused of scaremongering but if that becomes the EU position leave will have a problem
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Germany and South Korea are far more similar economies than UK and Germany. Benefit from free trade between EU and UK are worth far more than freedom of movement is to Western Europe. Benefit from good relations and stronger security guarantee is worth far more than freedom of movement is to Eastern Europe.EPG said:
Why? Korea and the EU are largely but not entirely complementary apart from the heavy manufacturers in Germany; the UK outside the EU is a trade competitor which may not necessarily be allowed to have its cake and eat itNorfolkTilIDie said:
I actually think psychological effects of perceived attempts at bullying would favour leave.Big_G_NorthWales said:ITV reporting that Germany has said that in the event of Brexit the Norway or Iceland options would be the only ones on offer and would require contributions and accept free movement of labour. No doubt Germany will be accused of scaremongering but if that becomes the EU position leave will have a problem
However it is ridiculous to claim they would offer an option to South Korea that isn't available to the UK.0 -
Back with Paddy Power.peter_from_putney said:Off Topic
***** BETTING POST *****
Something for the weekend Sir?
I've been taking a look at the state of the Premier League's Manager "Sack Race" market.
Favourite to win the current round is Utd's LVG with best decimal odds of 4.33. After leading his side to four consecutive wins, his early departure appears decidedly unlikely.
Next in line comes Villa's Remi Garde who only seems to have been at the club 5 minutes, on offer at 4.5. He is followed by Norwich's Alex Neil priced at 8.0.
Surprisingly generously priced, in my view anyway, is fourth-placed Toon's boss Boss Steve McClaren who both Hills and Betfair Sportsbook have available at 9 (i.e. 8/1).
On Saturday, Newcastle are at home against Bournemouth who are also struggling somewhat, but nevertheless are on offer at fairly skinny best odds of only 2.88 to win this game.
I wonder whether McClaren could possibly survive a defeat by the Cherries?
Of course, one is second-guessing how the Chairmen of several football clubs might react to their various problems, but it seems to me that that the 2.88 price against Bournemouth winning is very different when compared with the 9.0 odds against Steve being given his early marching orders.
This falls decidedly into the "fun" category of betting and stakes should certainly be limited to a maximum of just a few quid.
DYOR.
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Why when it is coming from GermanyRichard_Tyndall said:
For all that I would be very happy with the Norway or Iceland option, this really is so much bollocks.Big_G_NorthWales said:ITV reporting that Germany has said that in the event of Brexit the Norway or Iceland options would be the only ones on offer and would require contributions and accept free movement of labour. No doubt Germany will be accused of scaremongering but if that becomes the EU position leave will have a problem
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Good God. He was entertainingly putting the boot in just a couple of days ago.Speedy said:Sworn Trump enemy Senator Lindsey Graham is going soft on Trump:
http://dailycaller.com/2016/03/03/graham-brokered-convention-would-be-unfair-to-trump-audio/0 -
Everything is open for negotiation post invocation of Article 50. Which is both a good thing... and a bad thing...Richard_Tyndall said:
For all that I would be very happy with the Norway or Iceland option, this really is so much bollocks.Big_G_NorthWales said:ITV reporting that Germany has said that in the event of Brexit the Norway or Iceland options would be the only ones on offer and would require contributions and accept free movement of labour. No doubt Germany will be accused of scaremongering but if that becomes the EU position leave will have a problem
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Cllr Jill Furniss selected by Labour for Sheffield Brightside & Hillsborough by-election.
She's the widow of the deceased MP. She stood in Hallam in 2001. She's a Cllr in Sheffield since 1999.0 -
Mr Tyndall, what is the Norway or Iceland option in brief? - TIA.Richard_Tyndall said:
For all that I would be very happy with the Norway or Iceland option, this really is so much bollocks.Big_G_NorthWales said:ITV reporting that Germany has said that in the event of Brexit the Norway or Iceland options would be the only ones on offer and would require contributions and accept free movement of labour. No doubt Germany will be accused of scaremongering but if that becomes the EU position leave will have a problem
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Consider what the best outcome for Leicester is, and bet on it.TheScreamingEagles said:
My advice, put a lot on Arsenal to win on Saturday.Scrapheap_as_was said:
10 game weeks to go... tick tock as someone once said here a few times...TheScreamingEagles said:
Desperate measures for desperate times, I can't finish behind a Spurs fan.Scrapheap_as_was said:
And then Norwich...TheScreamingEagles said:
Just one place behind you, you know what's going to happen this weekend.Scrapheap_as_was said:Greater fan loyalty knows no more than a man who drops all his spurs players from his fantasy team in the certain hope that by doing so will ensure they score bundles as a result in the next game... selling Kane should also ensure a hat trick too.
I'm going to play Augero as triple captain this weekend, and they play Villa
I saw the desperate use of the bench boost had been forced upon you.. but for Milner...
I did that during our title charge season, kept on backing our opponents, eventually it paid off.
Would have made a fortune on Wednesday doing that!0 -
Just been told, Gillian Furniss has been selected as the Labour candidate for Sheffield Brightside and Hillsborough by election.
Decent local councillor0 -
Saqib Bhatti: EU’s too small for a proud and free Britain
Saqib Bhatti is joint secretary-general of Muslims for Britain.
http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/opinion/saqib-bhatti-eu-s-too-small-for-a-proud-and-free-britain-1-77671460 -
For footballing betting this weekend Romelu Lukaku, if fit, has scored in seven consecutive games v West Ham.
West Ham may well have to play a 17 year old at centre back due to injuries. Lukaku is still available at better than evens. Teamsheets available at 2PM.0 -
I would agree profitability would be the best measure of all but the worst measure of all is the EU's potential imposition of a blanket fine potentially totalling millions which will have a hugely disproportionate impact on smaller businessesrcs1000 said:
My point was that not all $1bn turnover companies are created equally, and that turnover is a rubbish way to measure business size. So, a company that runs on a 3% net margin (like a distributor or a retailer) would be utterly f*cked by a fine of 4% of turnover, but a software company on a 35% margin would barely notice it.HYUFD said:Even a few tens of millions of profit would still enable a large pharmaceutical distributor to absorb a potential fine rather better than a much smaller enterprise would be able to do. Presently the maximum fine under the DPA is £500,000 if the EU imposes a potential fine up to £14,000,000 or so that could have a hugely catastrophic impact on any organisation that is not a vast multi-national
It would be much more sensible to have fines linked to profitability.0 -
The Brits have historically been poor savers. The Germans were once described as having the most interest in reading their bank records. And look at the Japanese, even when interest rates are very low they still save a high percentage of their incomes.GIN1138 said:
Well that's the point isn't it? Governments don't want people to plan and to save and to be thrifty, etc. They want people to spend, spend, spend. Saving has been discouraged for years and years.Scrapheap_as_was said:it's ridiculous trying to do long term planning when the rules are continually being changed. 'A' day is a long time ago now.
They just want people to spend and to pay their taxes - British people are chased, literally to the grave by HMRC but American supernational tax avoiders like Google and Amazon do whatever the hell they want.
We really need one heck of a shake up in this country,
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EFTA/EEASimonStClare said:
Mr Tyndall, what is the Norway or Iceland option in brief? - TIA.Richard_Tyndall said:
For all that I would be very happy with the Norway or Iceland option, this really is so much bollocks.Big_G_NorthWales said:ITV reporting that Germany has said that in the event of Brexit the Norway or Iceland options would be the only ones on offer and would require contributions and accept free movement of labour. No doubt Germany will be accused of scaremongering but if that becomes the EU position leave will have a problem
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Why don't they also insist on free blow jobs for all EU visitors and the right to enslave all our first born. FFS, they have lost two wars against us do they not know what we are like when ANGRY!Big_G_NorthWales said:ITV reporting that Germany has said that in the event of Brexit the Norway or Iceland options would be the only ones on offer and would require contributions and accept free movement of labour. No doubt Germany will be accused of scaremongering but if that becomes the EU position leave will have a problem
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Actually I'm quite grateful to George for the NPV of future IHT; personal allowance being raised and the fact he stopped the fuel escalator.AlastairMeeks said:
Winners are NEVER grateful. Losers are often vengeful. And this time the losers on this occasion are core Conservative voters and, indeed, party members shortly due to select the next leader.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And the winners how much they gain - and their will be a lot more winners than losersAlastairMeeks said:On pensions reform, I do not expect a flat rate tax relief. It's just too easy for the losers to work out by how much they've been fleeced.
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I imagine you would be one of small handful of losers there and would be dwarfed by all the extra business that could be done by free trade deals elsewhere and better regulation (especially if Eurozone gets trigger happy on single rulebook). And as you say you can always make a subsidiary for that bit of your business.rcs1000 said:
My firm relies very heavily on the single financial passport to sell our services into the EU. A Norway option is great for us. If passporting is removed it would probably be a death knell to our business. (Or, at the very least, require us to open and man a subsidiary inside the EU.)NorfolkTilIDie said:
No but I don't think single market in services even removed all trade barriers for member states. South Korea deal does however remove all tariffs on services and remove most non tariff barriers, albeit marginally less than for member state. Not much in it really.rcs1000 said:
Does the South Korean agreement bring it inside the single market for services?NorfolkTilIDie said:
I actually think psychological effects of perceived attempts at bullying would favour leave.Big_G_NorthWales said:ITV reporting that Germany has said that in the event of Brexit the Norway or Iceland options would be the only ones on offer and would require contributions and accept free movement of labour. No doubt Germany will be accused of scaremongering but if that becomes the EU position leave will have a problem
However it is ridiculous to claim they would offer an option to South Korea that isn't available to the UK.0 -
Attractive little village is Whissendine. No idea how they vote, but should be core Kipper/Tory area. Halfway between Oakham and Melton Mowbray, which has a large and well integrated Polish community.0
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As a second-born I see merit in that proposal.TCPoliticalBetting said:
Why don't they also insist on free blow jobs for all EU visitors and the right to enslave all our first born. FFS, they have lost two wars against us do they not know what we are like when ANGRY!Big_G_NorthWales said:ITV reporting that Germany has said that in the event of Brexit the Norway or Iceland options would be the only ones on offer and would require contributions and accept free movement of labour. No doubt Germany will be accused of scaremongering but if that becomes the EU position leave will have a problem
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What cuts? Osborne's been on a spend-a-thon.chestnut said:
Cameron plus Osborne are done.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Now there is an issue that makes me turn in to a EU outer head-banger form of rage.TheScreamingEagles said:
Osborne needs to stop buggering about with pensions, it's ridiculous trying to do long term planning when the rules are continually being changed. 'A' day is a long time ago now.
It may not seem like that to people from the bubble, but how many times are people going to listen to more cuts, extended pension ages, 'vote in, or Dover gets it'?
Dead men waffling.
Smirkers problem now is that the public won't accept any real cuts, so he's going to have to steal from pensions or shove up taxes.0 -
They're allowed their view, and we're allowed our view.TCPoliticalBetting said:
Why don't they also insist on free blow jobs for all EU visitors and the right to enslave all our first born. FFS, they have lost two wars against us do they not know what we are like when ANGRY!Big_G_NorthWales said:ITV reporting that Germany has said that in the event of Brexit the Norway or Iceland options would be the only ones on offer and would require contributions and accept free movement of labour. No doubt Germany will be accused of scaremongering but if that becomes the EU position leave will have a problem
At the end of the day, post the invocation of Article 50, everything is open for negotiation.0 -
Because if they won't negotiate under the Article 50 terms then the UK leaves anyway before the two years is up and negotiates a trade deal from outside - which will be decided by QMV where Germany has no veto.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Why when it is coming from GermanyRichard_Tyndall said:
For all that I would be very happy with the Norway or Iceland option, this really is so much bollocks.Big_G_NorthWales said:ITV reporting that Germany has said that in the event of Brexit the Norway or Iceland options would be the only ones on offer and would require contributions and accept free movement of labour. No doubt Germany will be accused of scaremongering but if that becomes the EU position leave will have a problem
Personally I want the Norway option. But Germany claiming that is the only deal on the table is simply rubbish as they do not know until the negotiations actually take place if they have the support amongst the rest of the EU to push that through.
It is yet another case of scare mongering hoping to influence those who don't know any better..0
