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We got a "remain" advert through the door yesterday, basically a 4 page A3 colour broadsheet with "facts" about the EU and "myths" allegedly "debunked".
Top of their list on the front page was that "3 million" jobs depend on our being in the EU. Also apparently all our trade is going to stop if we leave (I paraphrase, but not much)
I didn't bother reading the rest before dutifully complying with the latest EU recycling diktat...0 -
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/#/politics/market/1.118739910 around 12-1.SeanT said:
Fascinating. Quite plausible. Not likely, but plausible.taffys said:I wonder what price you could get on 'no referendum vote under Cameron'. You could see the calendar drifting endlessly as the situation in Europe disintegrates further in the summer and remain looks less and less likely.
This time next year the back benchers start to seriously lose patience and Cameron will hold a leadership election in the summer, before he has to do what he can not do. Hold a referendum and lose.
Certainly more likely than Cameron deciding he's got a bad deal and campaigning for LEAVE
What a charade this is. Same as the first referendum. Trouble for europhiles this time is that events are hostile.
I'm on the other side of this bet at around 1-7.0 -
ergo, Cruz's Constitutional status at birth was an alien, having been born outside the United States. Congress "indulges" such people having at least one US citizen parent, with citizenship at birth under its power to "establish a uniform Rule of Naturalization." Therefore Cruz is a Naturalized Citizen, and ineligible to be POTUS.
That indulgence is fairly new, and only since 1934 would someone situated as Cruz have any claim whatsoever to citizenship of the US. Until 1978, Congress could have revoked that citizenship if he had not taken up actual residence in the US within certain prescibed time limits.
Congress could yet alter the law again, changing or removing entirely the concession to such foreign-born people, as it has done several times previously, e.g. between 1802-55.
Such people obviously cannot be natural born citizens, who need no man-made law to make them citizens, any more than a 'natural' child needs a law to make him/her the biological child of his/her parents.0 -
Under those circumstances Cameron would be toasted by his own side.SeanT said:
Fascinating. Quite plausible. Not likely, but plausible.taffys said:I wonder what price you could get on 'no referendum vote under Cameron'. You could see the calendar drifting endlessly as the situation in Europe disintegrates further in the summer and remain looks less and less likely.
This time next year the back benchers start to seriously lose patience and Cameron will hold a leadership election in the summer, before he has to do what he can not do. Hold a referendum and lose.
Certainly more likely than Cameron deciding he's got a bad deal and campaigning for LEAVE
What a charade this is. Same as the first referendum. Trouble for europhiles this time is that events are hostile.
And Remain would lose any future referendum.
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Yes indeed. Not making a judgement as to which way is best, but it's such a stupid thing to still be unclear and causing difficulty. The differences seem marginal, but if they feel it definitely should bar someone, they should make it much more explicit, and if they no no longer feel it matters, they should get around to changing it already. As it is, someone could claim not to care at all, but that that is what the law says so tough.AlastairMeeks said:It's a fairly silly rule. There are many things which might make you not want to vote for Ted Cruz as president of the USA, but an accident of birth seems an odd reason to debar him completely, however the legal technicalities might operate.
But it's their country, their constitution.
One more example why a codified constitution has drawbacks.
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Not so long ago you were all in favour of the EU, what has caused this Damascene conversionSeanT said:
Fascinating. Quite plausible. Not likely, but plausible.taffys said:I wonder what price you could get on 'no referendum vote under Cameron'. You could see the calendar drifting endlessly as the situation in Europe disintegrates further in the summer and remain looks less and less likely.
This time next year the back benchers start to seriously lose patience and Cameron will hold a leadership election in the summer, before he has to do what he can not do. Hold a referendum and lose.
Certainly more likely than Cameron deciding he's got a bad deal and campaigning for LEAVE
What a charade this is. Same as the first referendum. Trouble for europhiles this time is that events are hostile.0 -
Like Lynton Crosby getting a knighthood?blackburn63 said:
Correct, I've far more important things to worry about.watford30 said:
You're not too bothered by foreign powers irradiating parts of London then? Or executing people here.blackburn63 said:BTW I notice on the previous thread one or two were shedding crocodile tears over the spy that Putin had killed, he was a Russian spy ffs, not a Salvation Army volunteer.
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I'm still so angry about Lynton getting a Knighthood.Wanderer said:
Like Lynton Crosby getting a knighthood?blackburn63 said:
Correct, I've far more important things to worry about.watford30 said:
You're not too bothered by foreign powers irradiating parts of London then? Or executing people here.blackburn63 said:BTW I notice on the previous thread one or two were shedding crocodile tears over the spy that Putin had killed, he was a Russian spy ffs, not a Salvation Army volunteer.
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Who is paying for this?JonCisBack said:We got a "remain" advert through the door yesterday, basically a 4 page A3 colour broadsheet with "facts" about the EU and "myths" allegedly "debunked".
Top of their list on the front page was that "3 million" jobs depend on our being in the EU. Also apparently all our trade is going to stop if we leave (I paraphrase, but not much)
I didn't bother reading the rest before dutifully complying with the latest EU recycling diktat...0 -
Mr. 63, bottom right of the back page had a certain Remain campaign, with Will Straw's name mentioned.0
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Actually, my date of conception must have been somewhere around 6-6-66!kle4 said:
Demon child!SandyRentool said:Must be natural born. That rules me out - I was delivered by C-section.
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Under those circumstances Cameron would be toasted by his own side.
True, but it will take at least a year for the back benchers to suss out Cameron will NEVER hold a referendum that has a real chance of a leave result. He'd rather give up.
Those waiting for Cameron to hold a referendum could be like those waiting for George Osborne to balance the budget. And like those waiting for Godot.0 -
Thanks. Good point about the clash with May. I think June is unrealistic tbh but if "events" tend to favour Leave it would wise not to let too many accumulate.david_herdson said:
More focus for the campaign. A June vote would come off the back of a lot of elections in May, which will be a distraction for the Remainers (most of whom have a strong interest in them), while UKIP will prioritise the referendum and can probably run one off the back of the other anyway.Wanderer said:
As a matter of interest, in what way do you think September / October work better than June?david_herdson said:
To clarify, I should have said "It would be a mistake to let the negotiations slip past June"Richard_Nabavi said:
I think September is much more likely.david_herdson said:It would be a mistake to let it slip past June. The vote needs to be this year; September or October work as well as (if not better than) June. Next year, on the other hand, creates a load more hostages to fortune as well as giving Leave more time to organise.
There are, of course, risks both ways to delay, particularly re the migrant crisis but then there's a risk in going early as well if it does mean forcing the negotiations and distracting from a migrant solution.0 -
''Not so long ago you were all in favour of the EU, what has caused this Damascene conversion''
I would argue that the authorities' reaction to Paris and Cologne has fundamentally changed the view of many to the EU. But of course I can;t speak for others.
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Yes I've barely been able to sleep sinceWanderer said:
Like Lynton Crosby getting a knighthood?blackburn63 said:
Correct, I've far more important things to worry about.watford30 said:
You're not too bothered by foreign powers irradiating parts of London then? Or executing people here.blackburn63 said:BTW I notice on the previous thread one or two were shedding crocodile tears over the spy that Putin had killed, he was a Russian spy ffs, not a Salvation Army volunteer.
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I doubt this article has had any impact on voting intentions in Iowa - far more likely that Branstad's attack on Cruz as big oil and anti-ethanol is what has shifted the needle, not anything coming from Trump. For those who did not see it, Branstad, the Governor of Iowa, appealed to vote for anyone but Cruz because of his position on ethanol.0
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Still, there's comfort for Labour. Say what you will about Jeremy Corbyn and Seamas Milne, but I can't see either of them spending £8K in order to unveil a stone engraved with platitudes in a Hastings car park.0
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Me.SeanT said:Btw are there any other PB-ers who have changed their views on a fundamental issue during their time on the site? I reckon it's a good thing.
I've also changed my mind on electoral reform. Thanks to PB. Used to be opposed. Now I support.0 -
Don't think the Crimea etc want to be BritishLondonBob said:
On that principle what is Cameron's position on the Crimea (and Donbass and Kharkov and Odessa), or must we bow to the hangups of the loons on that issue?Scott_P said:@TelePolitics: David Cameron tells new Argentinian President: 'Absolutely clear' Falkland Islands want to remain British https://t.co/dJRVctM2kq
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Thank you, but that doesn't answer my questionMorris_Dancer said:Mr. 63, bottom right of the back page had a certain Remain campaign, with Will Straw's name mentioned.
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I'd be surprised if it's "correct" for anywhere on Earth. Look at the engineering required and the maximum throughput of passengers.Pulpstar said:
The timeline of 36 months to first passengers seems very ambitious to me. It'll take longer, but around 2040 there'll be a good few running at a profit. Whether we see one in this country any time in the next few decades is another matter, after the 2020s are dominated by HS2 delays, budgets being busted and overruns future Gov'ts may give it a miss even if it is shown to be the "correct" transport solution for us.JosiasJessop said:
None, really. Depending on your view, it's either designed to kill off the HSR scheme they've got going, or for use on Mars. I cannot see it really working where they've planned.MarkHopkins said:
What is the advantage over flying?JosiasJessop said:
My main concerns are the same as the articles: the cost - the figures in the initial report were rather optimistic IMO, and the throughput of people is woefully low.Pulpstar said:
Fancy a long term wager on thatJosiasJessop said:Off-topic:
Construction's started on a prototype Hyperloop.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-35361093
A waste of money IMO, but we shall see.
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As for a bet: how about a trip on it if it goes into full passenger service? (Making your way there is not included).
For more info:
http://www.spacex.com/sites/spacex/files/hyperloop_alpha.pdf
There are lots of engineering hurdles as well.
Mind you, Musk's proved me wrong before with Tesla ...0 -
There was a report yesterday that a new WMUR poll in NH was going to confirm the Kasich bounce, but 'tain't so. He's languishing at a measly 6% in the latest CNN/WMUR poll, in joint fifth place.0
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Zerohedge reckons Tesla is a FANTAsy stock.JosiasJessop said:
I'd be surprised if it's "correct" for anywhere on Earth. Look at the engineering required and the maximum throughput of passengers.Pulpstar said:
The timeline of 36 months to first passengers seems very ambitious to me. It'll take longer, but around 2040 there'll be a good few running at a profit. Whether we see one in this country any time in the next few decades is another matter, after the 2020s are dominated by HS2 delays, budgets being busted and overruns future Gov'ts may give it a miss even if it is shown to be the "correct" transport solution for us.JosiasJessop said:
None, really. Depending on your view, it's either designed to kill off the HSR scheme they've got going, or for use on Mars. I cannot see it really working where they've planned.MarkHopkins said:
What is the advantage over flying?JosiasJessop said:
My main concerns are the same as the articles: the cost - the figures in the initial report were rather optimistic IMO, and the throughput of people is woefully low.Pulpstar said:
Fancy a long term wager on thatJosiasJessop said:Off-topic:
Construction's started on a prototype Hyperloop.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-35361093
A waste of money IMO, but we shall see. ?
As for a bet: how about a trip on it if it goes into full passenger service? (Making your way there is not included).
For more info:
http://www.spacex.com/sites/spacex/files/hyperloop_alpha.pdf
There are lots of engineering hurdles as well.
Mind you, Musk's proved me wrong before with Tesla ...
Early Feb next scheduled Spacex mission. Will it land, or won't it !0 -
In a fledgling nation born of war, and still under threat, they wanted undivided loyalty in the Chief Executive and Commander of the Army.kle4 said:
Yes indeed. Not making a judgement as to which way is best, but it's such a stupid thing to still be unclear and causing difficulty. The differences seem marginal, but if they feel it definitely should bar someone, they should make it much more explicit, and if they no no longer feel it matters, they should get around to changing it already. As it is, someone could claim not to care at all, but that that is what the law says so tough.AlastairMeeks said:It's a fairly silly rule. There are many things which might make you not want to vote for Ted Cruz as president of the USA, but an accident of birth seems an odd reason to debar him completely, however the legal technicalities might operate.
But it's their country, their constitution.
One more example why a codified constitution has drawbacks.
Seems a not unreasonable aim. Even today...0 -
Not sure about Kaliningrad, Karelia or Sakhalin, though.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Don't think the Crimea etc want to be BritishLondonBob said:
On that principle what is Cameron's position on the Crimea (and Donbass and Kharkov and Odessa), or must we bow to the hangups of the loons on that issue?Scott_P said:@TelePolitics: David Cameron tells new Argentinian President: 'Absolutely clear' Falkland Islands want to remain British https://t.co/dJRVctM2kq
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SeanT said:
Btw are there any other PB-ers who have changed their views on a fundamental issue during their time on the site? I reckon it's a good thing.
I've also changed my mind on electoral reform. Thanks to PB. Used to be opposed. Now I support.
I've changed my mind on EU several times. Every time I hear VoteLeave say something I support staying in and every time Britain Stronger in Europe say something I want to leave!!SeanT said:Btw are there any other PB-ers who have changed their views on a fundamental issue during their time on the site? I reckon it's a good thing.
I've also changed my mind on electoral reform. Thanks to PB. Used to be opposed. Now I support.
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On balance, I've changed my mind on identity cards. Used to be implacably opposed. Now probably slightly on the side of support.SeanT said:Btw are there any other PB-ers who have changed their views on a fundamental issue during their time on the site? I reckon it's a good thing.
I've also changed my mind on electoral reform. Thanks to PB. Used to be opposed. Now I support.0 -
I'm reading the Litvinenko report. I hadn't realised that this was the second attempt on Litvinenko's life - the first having taken place a couple of weeks earlier.....leaving a trail of radiation across London too:
https://www.litvinenkoinquiry.org/files/Litvinenko-Inquiry-Report-web-version.pdf0 -
Football Leaks has released documents showing that Bale transfer was larger than Ronaldo and it was hushed up / fiddled so that Ronaldo didn't blow his fuse. Tittle tattle, but is more evidence that the people behind Football Leaks actually have quite a big cache of football legal documents and it is part of a wider release of what could turn into quite a big scandal. Doyen Sports is the name to watch.0
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He RCP averages out to 12.3.Richard_Nabavi said:There was a report yesterday that a new WMUR poll in NH was going to confirm the Kasich bounce, but 'tain't so. He's languishing at a measly 6% in the latest CNN/WMUR poll, in joint fifth place.
It's tremendously crowded, the 8-12% mark in New Hampshire.0 -
Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan!!blackburn63 said:
Who is paying for this?JonCisBack said:We got a "remain" advert through the door yesterday, basically a 4 page A3 colour broadsheet with "facts" about the EU and "myths" allegedly "debunked".
Top of their list on the front page was that "3 million" jobs depend on our being in the EU. Also apparently all our trade is going to stop if we leave (I paraphrase, but not much)
I didn't bother reading the rest before dutifully complying with the latest EU recycling diktat...0 -
What about Rothschilds, Rockefeller and the Lizard people ?NorfolkTilIDie said:
Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan!!blackburn63 said:
Who is paying for this?JonCisBack said:We got a "remain" advert through the door yesterday, basically a 4 page A3 colour broadsheet with "facts" about the EU and "myths" allegedly "debunked".
Top of their list on the front page was that "3 million" jobs depend on our being in the EU. Also apparently all our trade is going to stop if we leave (I paraphrase, but not much)
I didn't bother reading the rest before dutifully complying with the latest EU recycling diktat...0 -
Pretty sure the US constitution also a man made law...RodCrosby said:ergo, Cruz's Constitutional status at birth was an alien, having been born outside the United States. Congress "indulges" such people having at least one US citizen parent, with citizenship at birth under its power to "establish a uniform Rule of Naturalization." Therefore Cruz is a Naturalized Citizen, and ineligible to be POTUS.
That indulgence is fairly new, and only since 1934 would someone situated as Cruz have any claim whatsoever to citizenship of the US. Until 1978, Congress could have revoked that citizenship if he had not taken up actual residence in the US within certain prescibed time limits.
Congress could yet alter the law again, changing or removing entirely the concession to such foreign-born people, as it has done several times previously, e.g. between 1802-55.
Such people obviously cannot be natural born citizens, who need no man-made law to make them citizens, any more than a 'natural' child needs a law to make him/her the biological child of his/her parents.0 -
Last night's Lynton Crosby lecture via Philip Cowley on Twitter.
https://twitter.com/philipjcowley/status/690188862543511553
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I am firm in my resolveNorfolkTilIDie said:SeanT said:Btw are there any other PB-ers who have changed their views on a fundamental issue during their time on the site? I reckon it's a good thing.
I've also changed my mind on electoral reform. Thanks to PB. Used to be opposed. Now I support.
I've changed my mind on EU several times. Every time I hear VoteLeave say something I support staying in and every time Britain Stronger in Europe say something I want to leave!!SeanT said:Btw are there any other PB-ers who have changed their views on a fundamental issue during their time on the site? I reckon it's a good thing.
I've also changed my mind on electoral reform. Thanks to PB. Used to be opposed. Now I support.
You are hard to reason with
He, she, it is as stubborn as a mule.
When the facts change, I change my opinion.
You can be easily persuaded
He, she, it is totally gullible.
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I have crossed that very border four times today.richardDodd said:Logical Song The last time I was there it was noticeable that Gibraltar is definitely attached to the Country of Spain..They share a border..
Manual passport checks on the Gib side and electronic passport checking by the dagos.0 -
I used to think that no-one on PB changed their mind.SeanT said:Btw are there any other PB-ers who have changed their views on a fundamental issue during their time on the site? I reckon it's a good thing.
I've also changed my mind on electoral reform. Thanks to PB. Used to be opposed. Now I support.
But your post has shown me otherwise.
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I see that another Barcelona player is having some local difficulty with income tax.FrancisUrquhart said:Football Leaks has released documents showing that Bale transfer was larger than Ronaldo and it was hushed up / fiddled so that Ronaldo didn't blow his fuse. Tittle tattle, but is more evidence that the people behind Football Leaks actually have quite a big cache of football legal documents and it is part of a wider release of what could turn into quite a big scandal. Doyen Sports is the name to watch.
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Always found it a bit odd that Gibraltar voted for the Lib Dems in the EU elections. I'd have expected it to be solidly ToryGeoffM said:
I have crossed that very border four times today.richardDodd said:Logical Song The last time I was there it was noticeable that Gibraltar is definitely attached to the Country of Spain..They share a border..
Manual passport checks on the Gib side and electronic passport checking by the dagos.
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I think there's quite a few of us. I've gone from Labour Blairite to Tory member and Remain to Leave. Taken a while, but it happened.MarkHopkins said:
I used to think that no-one on PB changed their mind.SeanT said:Btw are there any other PB-ers who have changed their views on a fundamental issue during their time on the site? I reckon it's a good thing.
I've also changed my mind on electoral reform. Thanks to PB. Used to be opposed. Now I support.
But your post has shown me otherwise.0 -
I really am a bad Muslim. All those games of chess I've played
Saudi Arabia’s grand mufti has ruled that chess is forbidden in Islam, saying it encourages gambling and is a waste of time.
Sheikh Abdulaziz al-Sheikh was answering a question on a television show in which he issues fatwas in response to viewers’ queries on everyday religious matters.
He said chess was “included under gambling” and was “a waste of time and money and a cause for hatred and enmity between players”.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/21/chess-forbidden-in-islam-rules-saudi-arabia-grand-mufti0 -
Miss Vance, could be wrong, but I thought it was the third.
Just a vague recollection of a news report. [I should stress I am not an operative in the Russian secret services].0 -
In the sense of being a fundamental, supreme, all-encompassing law, you'd be right.NorfolkTilIDie said:
Pretty sure the US constitution also a man made law...RodCrosby said:ergo, Cruz's Constitutional status at birth was an alien, having been born outside the United States. Congress "indulges" such people having at least one US citizen parent, with citizenship at birth under its power to "establish a uniform Rule of Naturalization." Therefore Cruz is a Naturalized Citizen, and ineligible to be POTUS.
That indulgence is fairly new, and only since 1934 would someone situated as Cruz have any claim whatsoever to citizenship of the US. Until 1978, Congress could have revoked that citizenship if he had not taken up actual residence in the US within certain prescibed time limits.
Congress could yet alter the law again, changing or removing entirely the concession to such foreign-born people, as it has done several times previously, e.g. between 1802-55.
Such people obviously cannot be natural born citizens, who need no man-made law to make them citizens, any more than a 'natural' child needs a law to make him/her the biological child of his/her parents.
And even it doesn't presume to legislate what is a natural born citizen...0 -
I used to be for Remain _ I didn't think the benefits would outweighs the negatives of EU membership. But the endless drip of negatives, the contempt for any concerns about the system, have pushed me to leave regardless of uncertainty of what might lie beyond.SeanT said:Btw are there any other PB-ers who have changed their views on a fundamental issue during their time on the site? I reckon it's a good thing.
I've also changed my mind on electoral reform. Thanks to PB. Used to be opposed. Now I support.0 -
I used to not care about electoral reform and now I just wish it would go away.NorfolkTilIDie said:SeanT said:Btw are there any other PB-ers who have changed their views on a fundamental issue during their time on the site? I reckon it's a good thing.
I've also changed my mind on electoral reform. Thanks to PB. Used to be opposed. Now I support.
I've changed my mind on EU several times. Every time I hear VoteLeave say something I support staying in and every time Britain Stronger in Europe say something I want to leave!!SeanT said:Btw are there any other PB-ers who have changed their views on a fundamental issue during their time on the site? I reckon it's a good thing.
I've also changed my mind on electoral reform. Thanks to PB. Used to be opposed. Now I support.0 -
Early Islam helped spread the game of chess, so I'm not sure he knows his history.TheScreamingEagles said:I really am a bad Muslim. All those games of chess I've played
Saudi Arabia’s grand mufti has ruled that chess is forbidden in Islam, saying it encourages gambling and is a waste of time.
Sheikh Abdulaziz al-Sheikh was answering a question on a television show in which he issues fatwas in response to viewers’ queries on everyday religious matters.
He said chess was “included under gambling” and was “a waste of time and money and a cause for hatred and enmity between players”.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/21/chess-forbidden-in-islam-rules-saudi-arabia-grand-mufti
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I think whichever establishment candidate does best in Iowa, particularly if they can get close to 20%, will pick up momentum into NH.Pulpstar said:
He RCP averages out to 12.3.Richard_Nabavi said:There was a report yesterday that a new WMUR poll in NH was going to confirm the Kasich bounce, but 'tain't so. He's languishing at a measly 6% in the latest CNN/WMUR poll, in joint fifth place.
It's tremendously crowded, the 8-12% mark in New Hampshire.0 -
"Chess is like doing a crossword - a pointless way to pass the time until you die!" - Grand Mufti al-ClarksonTheScreamingEagles said:I really am a bad Muslim. All those games of chess I've played
Saudi Arabia’s grand mufti has ruled that chess is forbidden in Islam, saying it encourages gambling and is a waste of time.
Sheikh Abdulaziz al-Sheikh was answering a question on a television show in which he issues fatwas in response to viewers’ queries on everyday religious matters.
He said chess was “included under gambling” and was “a waste of time and money and a cause for hatred and enmity between players”.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/21/chess-forbidden-in-islam-rules-saudi-arabia-grand-mufti
(only kidding - I used to play chess for my school)
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Trump was sent by Allah to teach you a lesson on gamblingTheScreamingEagles said:I really am a bad Muslim. All those games of chess I've played
Saudi Arabia’s grand mufti has ruled that chess is forbidden in Islam, saying it encourages gambling and is a waste of time.
Sheikh Abdulaziz al-Sheikh was answering a question on a television show in which he issues fatwas in response to viewers’ queries on everyday religious matters.
He said chess was “included under gambling” and was “a waste of time and money and a cause for hatred and enmity between players”.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/21/chess-forbidden-in-islam-rules-saudi-arabia-grand-mufti
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Think pb.com also "encourages gambling and is a waste of time".TheScreamingEagles said:I really am a bad Muslim. All those games of chess I've played
Saudi Arabia’s grand mufti has ruled that chess is forbidden in Islam, saying it encourages gambling and is a waste of time.
Sheikh Abdulaziz al-Sheikh was answering a question on a television show in which he issues fatwas in response to viewers’ queries on everyday religious matters.
He said chess was “included under gambling” and was “a waste of time and money and a cause for hatred and enmity between players”.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/21/chess-forbidden-in-islam-rules-saudi-arabia-grand-mufti
I doubt the grand mufti would approve. Guest editor thereof? You are a very bad man indeed.0 -
Quite right, I've walked across the airstrip into Spain. Does anyone know what Corbyn's opinion is on Gibraltar and whether it differs from his opinion on the Falklands?richardDodd said:Logical Song The last time I was there it was noticeable that Gibraltar is definitely attached to the Country of Spain..They share a border..
UPDATE, no need Google is quicker:
"His casual suggestion that he’d “give back the Malvinas and Gibraltar in the morning if I had the chance” proved unwise, as did his invitation for “man of peace” Vladimir Putin to visit London."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-leadership-contest-what-the-party-would-look-like-with-jeremy-corbyn-as-leader-10456277.html
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I used to be very pro-Europe and considered UKIP an irrelevant joke, as little as five, six years ago.SeanT said:Btw are there any other PB-ers who have changed their views on a fundamental issue during their time on the site? I reckon it's a good thing.
I've also changed my mind on electoral reform. Thanks to PB. Used to be opposed. Now I support.
Then I voted UKIP at the 2014 Euros, and have been pro-LEAVE ever since.0 -
Electoral reform is tricky. The two most stable Government since the war - UK and US have a 'winner takes all' approach (at least that is the effect of a two-party system) . Some European countries give the leading party 'bonus seats' to try and reduce the likelihood of coalitions. The usual effect of coalitions is that the status-quo remains in place if they can stick together, or multiple elections if they can't. Italy has had more elections than a Japanese man on his honeymoon.SeanT said:Btw are there any other PB-ers who have changed their views on a fundamental issue during their time on the site? I reckon it's a good thing.
I've also changed my mind on electoral reform. Thanks to PB. Used to be opposed. Now I support.
Sometimes you have to compromise between 'fairness' and 'action'. Of course at the moment the left don't want PR and the right don't mind - since UKIP + Tories > 50%. In 2010 the left wanted PR and the right didn't - since LAB + LIB was > 50%.
One cynic said that you'll never get a change in voting methodology - no one will ever vote for a change in the system that resulted in them getting to the top of the greasy pole/poll.0 -
Coventry Arena and Bermuda Park (near Nuneaton) opened this week.Pulpstar said:
The timeline of 36 months to first passengers seems very ambitious to me. It'll take longer, but around 2040 there'll be a good few running at a profit. Whether we see one in this country any time in the next few decades is another matter, after the 2020s are dominated by HS2 delays, budgets being busted and overruns future Gov'ts may give it a miss even if it is shown to be the "correct" transport solution for us.JosiasJessop said:
None, really. Depending on your view, it's either designed to kill off the HSR scheme they've got going, or for use on Mars. I cannot see it really working where they've planned.MarkHopkins said:
What is the advantage over flying?JosiasJessop said:
My main concerns are the same as the articles: the cost - the figures in the initial report were rather optimistic IMO, and the throughput of people is woefully low.Pulpstar said:
Fancy a long term wager on thatJosiasJessop said:Off-topic:
Construction's started on a prototype Hyperloop.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-35361093
A waste of money IMO, but we shall see. ?
As for a bet: how about a trip on it if it goes into full passenger service? (Making your way there is not included).
For more info:
http://www.spacex.com/sites/spacex/files/hyperloop_alpha.pdf
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First he was supposed to have been poisoned at Itsu by Scaramella. Then this was shifted to the hotel by Lugovoi. Problem was the radiation detected at Itsu and Litivinenko's accusation of being poisoned by Scaramella undermined that second story. Finally radiation was picked in places even before then in mid October. So now the implausible poisoning became multiple poisoning attempts with a substance highly unlikely to be used as a poison.CarlottaVance said:I'm reading the Litvinenko report. I hadn't realised that this was the second attempt on Litvinenko's life - the first having taken place a couple of weeks earlier.....leaving a trail of radiation across London too:
https://www.litvinenkoinquiry.org/files/Litvinenko-Inquiry-Report-web-version.pdf
Even if one accepts the radiation trail as presented, which I wouldn't, it lends itself far more likely to an accidental poisoning as a result of a leak.
Polonium 210 is used as a nuclear trigger so the concerns as far as I am concerned is what is this substance doing being smuggled here and why are we opening ourselves up to incidents like this by allowing unsavoury characters like Boris Berezovsky to live here? He was a wanted criminal in Russia and should have been extradited there.
Interestingly polonium was supposed to be traceable but the inquiry claimed in this case it wasn't, conveniently.0 -
Also the paper is too rough to be used in the lavatory - waste of recycling. Mind you they've done as well as they could be expected to do in marketing techniques considering the crappiness of the hand they've been dealt.isam said:
Yes! It seemed to be the same 6 scaremongering, Nick Clegg regurgitations 30 or 40 times over 4 pagesdavid_herdson said:Ref EURef: we've just received a 4-page 'newspaper' from Britain in Europe through the post. Has anyone else had one of these?
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Yes I was a Labour voter, quite pro immigration, possibly quite metropolitan liberal elite in 2008-9-10.. then studied politics, was introduced to Enoch and realised why we are in the mess we areSeanT said:Btw are there any other PB-ers who have changed their views on a fundamental issue during their time on the site? I reckon it's a good thing.
I've also changed my mind on electoral reform. Thanks to PB. Used to be opposed. Now I support.0 -
GibDems!Pulpstar said:
Always found it a bit odd that Gibraltar voted for the Lib Dems in the EU elections. I'd have expected it to be solidly ToryGeoffM said:
I have crossed that very border four times today.richardDodd said:Logical Song The last time I was there it was noticeable that Gibraltar is definitely attached to the Country of Spain..They share a border..
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Ahhh. Is that the new Russian story?LondonBob said:
First he was supposed to have been poisoned at Itsu by Scaramella. Then this was shifted to the hotel by Lugovoi. Problem was the radiation detected at Itsu and Litivinenko's accusation of being poisoned by Scaramella undermined that second story. Finally radiation was picked in places even before then in mid October. So now the implausible poisoning became multiple poisoning attempts with a substance highly unlikely to be used as a poison.CarlottaVance said:I'm reading the Litvinenko report. I hadn't realised that this was the second attempt on Litvinenko's life - the first having taken place a couple of weeks earlier.....leaving a trail of radiation across London too:
https://www.litvinenkoinquiry.org/files/Litvinenko-Inquiry-Report-web-version.pdf
Even if one accepts the radiation trail as presented, which I wouldn't, it lends itself far more likely to an accidental poisoning as a result of a leak.
Polonium 210 is used as a nuclear trigger so the concerns as far as I am concerned is what is this substance doing being smuggled here and why are we opening ourselves up to incidents like this by allowing unsavoury characters like Boris Berezovsky to live here? He was a wanted criminal in Russia and should have been extradited there.
Interestingly polonium was supposed to be traceable but the inquiry claimed in this case it wasn't, conveniently.0 -
Editing PB is awesome.LucyJones said:
Think pb.com also "encourages gambling and is a waste of time".TheScreamingEagles said:I really am a bad Muslim. All those games of chess I've played
Saudi Arabia’s grand mufti has ruled that chess is forbidden in Islam, saying it encourages gambling and is a waste of time.
Sheikh Abdulaziz al-Sheikh was answering a question on a television show in which he issues fatwas in response to viewers’ queries on everyday religious matters.
He said chess was “included under gambling” and was “a waste of time and money and a cause for hatred and enmity between players”.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/21/chess-forbidden-in-islam-rules-saudi-arabia-grand-mufti
I doubt the grand mufti would approve. Guest editor thereof? You are a very bad man indeed.
Anyone pisses me off, I do a thread to wind/troll educate them on the error of their ways.
Corporeal said it was like throwing the laxatives into the monkey house...0 -
Quite right! I'm still working through it but it appears the second attempt was bungled when Lugovoy spilled the Polonium in his hotel room....Morris_Dancer said:Miss Vance, could be wrong, but I thought it was the third.
Just a vague recollection of a news report. [I should stress I am not an operative in the Russian secret services].0 -
This was exactly the spin the Russian patsy was using the BBC earlier.rcs1000 said:
Ahhh. Is that the new Russian story?LondonBob said:
First he was supposed to have been poisoned at Itsu by Scaramella. Then this was shifted to the hotel by Lugovoi. Problem was the radiation detected at Itsu and Litivinenko's accusation of being poisoned by Scaramella undermined that second story. Finally radiation was picked in places even before then in mid October. So now the implausible poisoning became multiple poisoning attempts with a substance highly unlikely to be used as a poison.CarlottaVance said:I'm reading the Litvinenko report. I hadn't realised that this was the second attempt on Litvinenko's life - the first having taken place a couple of weeks earlier.....leaving a trail of radiation across London too:
https://www.litvinenkoinquiry.org/files/Litvinenko-Inquiry-Report-web-version.pdf
Even if one accepts the radiation trail as presented, which I wouldn't, it lends itself far more likely to an accidental poisoning as a result of a leak.
Polonium 210 is used as a nuclear trigger so the concerns as far as I am concerned is what is this substance doing being smuggled here and why are we opening ourselves up to incidents like this by allowing unsavoury characters like Boris Berezovsky to live here? He was a wanted criminal in Russia and should have been extradited there.
Interestingly polonium was supposed to be traceable but the inquiry claimed in this case it wasn't, conveniently.0 -
Over the years, I have gone from Conservative-voting Europhile to Ukip-voting Eurosceptic. Can't remember exactly when I moved to "Leave" in my sentiments - maybe a decade or so ago. My dissertation was about European Monetary Union (this was back in 1990) and I think I thought then it would be a good thing. Pity I don't still have it, as I would be interested to re-read it. Unfortunately, my mother threw it out because she didn't think I would need it again and I only ever had a paper copy.SeanT said:Btw are there any other PB-ers who have changed their views on a fundamental issue during their time on the site? I reckon it's a good thing.
I've also changed my mind on electoral reform. Thanks to PB. Used to be opposed. Now I support.
I, too, have changed my mind about electoral reform. Now I support it.0 -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvDMlk3kSYgFrancisUrquhart said:
This was exactly the spin the Russian patsy was using the BBC earlier.rcs1000 said:
Ahhh. Is that the new Russian story?LondonBob said:
First he was supposed to have been poisoned at Itsu by Scaramella. Then this was shifted to the hotel by Lugovoi. Problem was the radiation detected at Itsu and Litivinenko's accusation of being poisoned by Scaramella undermined that second story. Finally radiation was picked in places even before then in mid October. So now the implausible poisoning became multiple poisoning attempts with a substance highly unlikely to be used as a poison.CarlottaVance said:I'm reading the Litvinenko report. I hadn't realised that this was the second attempt on Litvinenko's life - the first having taken place a couple of weeks earlier.....leaving a trail of radiation across London too:
https://www.litvinenkoinquiry.org/files/Litvinenko-Inquiry-Report-web-version.pdf
Even if one accepts the radiation trail as presented, which I wouldn't, it lends itself far more likely to an accidental poisoning as a result of a leak.
Polonium 210 is used as a nuclear trigger so the concerns as far as I am concerned is what is this substance doing being smuggled here and why are we opening ourselves up to incidents like this by allowing unsavoury characters like Boris Berezovsky to live here? He was a wanted criminal in Russia and should have been extradited there.
Interestingly polonium was supposed to be traceable but the inquiry claimed in this case it wasn't, conveniently.0 -
Hahahaha! I have to honour my PB parole conditions or else it could be such fun0
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OT, but would like to garner the combined wisdom of PB for a hypothetical. Would the financial gains of abolishing gift aid be worth the political cost in a future budget?0
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Miss Jones, that's a bit rough (on your dissertation). One hopes you stuck the boot in.
[Must admit I'm something of a hoarder. Probably still got the first story I ever typed on a computer, when I was about 5].0 -
Whatever, comrade.LondonBob said:
First he was supposed to have been poisoned at Itsu by Scaramella. Then this was shifted to the hotel by Lugovoi. Problem was the radiation detected at Itsu and Litivinenko's accusation of being poisoned by Scaramella undermined that second story. Finally radiation was picked in places even before then in mid October. So now the implausible poisoning became multiple poisoning attempts with a substance highly unlikely to be used as a poison.CarlottaVance said:I'm reading the Litvinenko report. I hadn't realised that this was the second attempt on Litvinenko's life - the first having taken place a couple of weeks earlier.....leaving a trail of radiation across London too:
https://www.litvinenkoinquiry.org/files/Litvinenko-Inquiry-Report-web-version.pdf
Even if one accepts the radiation trail as presented, which I wouldn't, it lends itself far more likely to an accidental poisoning as a result of a leak.
Polonium 210 is used as a nuclear trigger so the concerns as far as I am concerned is what is this substance doing being smuggled here and why are we opening ourselves up to incidents like this by allowing unsavoury characters like Boris Berezovsky to live here? He was a wanted criminal in Russia and should have been extradited there.
Interestingly polonium was supposed to be traceable but the inquiry claimed in this case it wasn't, conveniently.
How's the weather in St Petersburg today?
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Got an alert, 2 new Iowa polls:
KBUR (last one in October)
Cruz 27 +12
Trump 25 +5
Carson 11 -17
Rubio 9 -1
Bush 7 -2
Huckabee 4 +2
Christie 4 +2
Paul 3 +1
Kasich 3 +1
Fiorina 3 -1
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2016/IowaGOPCaucusPollJan2016.pdf
Loras
Trump 26 +3
Cruz 25 -5
Rubio 13 +2
Carson 8 -3
Bush 6 0
Kasich 4 +3
Paul 3 +1
Huckabee 3 +1
Christie 3 +3
Fiorina 2 -1
http://loras.edu/About-Loras/News-Events/News/2016/Trump-and-Cruz-Deadlocked,-with-Rubio-a-Distant-Th.aspx
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You can't change the worldweejonnie said:
I am firm in my resolveNorfolkTilIDie said:SeanT said:Btw are there any other PB-ers who have changed their views on a fundamental issue during their time on the site? I reckon it's a good thing.
I've also changed my mind on electoral reform. Thanks to PB. Used to be opposed. Now I support.
I've changed my mind on EU several times. Every time I hear VoteLeave say something I support staying in and every time Britain Stronger in Europe say something I want to leave!!SeanT said:Btw are there any other PB-ers who have changed their views on a fundamental issue during their time on the site? I reckon it's a good thing.
I've also changed my mind on electoral reform. Thanks to PB. Used to be opposed. Now I support.
You are hard to reason with
He, she, it is as stubborn as a mule.
When the facts change, I change my opinion.
You can be easily persuaded
He, she, it is totally gullible.
But you can change the facts
When you change the facts
You change points of view
When you change points of view
You may change a vote
And when you change a vote
You may change the world
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So now we can expect ЛондонBob and Lovinputin1983 to parrot it ad nauseumFrancisUrquhart said:
This was exactly the spin the Russian patsy was using the BBC earlier.rcs1000 said:
Ahhh. Is that the new Russian story?LondonBob said:
First he was supposed to have been poisoned at Itsu by Scaramella. Then this was shifted to the hotel by Lugovoi. Problem was the radiation detected at Itsu and Litivinenko's accusation of being poisoned by Scaramella undermined that second story. Finally radiation was picked in places even before then in mid October. So now the implausible poisoning became multiple poisoning attempts with a substance highly unlikely to be used as a poison.CarlottaVance said:I'm reading the Litvinenko report. I hadn't realised that this was the second attempt on Litvinenko's life - the first having taken place a couple of weeks earlier.....leaving a trail of radiation across London too:
https://www.litvinenkoinquiry.org/files/Litvinenko-Inquiry-Report-web-version.pdf
Even if one accepts the radiation trail as presented, which I wouldn't, it lends itself far more likely to an accidental poisoning as a result of a leak.
Polonium 210 is used as a nuclear trigger so the concerns as far as I am concerned is what is this substance doing being smuggled here and why are we opening ourselves up to incidents like this by allowing unsavoury characters like Boris Berezovsky to live here? He was a wanted criminal in Russia and should have been extradited there.
Interestingly polonium was supposed to be traceable but the inquiry claimed in this case it wasn't, conveniently.0 -
I had a bookshelf full of books in my parents house up North, I was working down South. My mum was moving house, so I offered to go "home" to sort through my stuff. "Don't worry" said my mother, "I know what you'll want to keep, and what you will want to get rid of".Morris_Dancer said:Miss Jones, that's a bit rough (on your dissertation). One hopes you stuck the boot in.
[Must admit I'm something of a hoarder. Probably still got the first story I ever typed on a computer, when I was about 5].
Result? She binned all of my economics, history, politics and German language books, plus all of my essays. (Did a German and Economics degree). Kept half a dozen trashy airport novels. I was gutted when I realised what she had done, but it was too late to do anything by then.
Edited to add: you must be a lot younger than I thought. I hadn't even seen a computer when I was 5. The ZX-81 came out when I was in secondary school, but you had to program that yourself.0 -
Can't you do your IP address check again.rcs1000 said:
So now we can expect ЛондонBob and Lovinputin1983 to parrot it ad nauseumFrancisUrquhart said:
This was exactly the spin the Russian patsy was using the BBC earlier.rcs1000 said:
Ahhh. Is that the new Russian story?LondonBob said:
First he was supposed to have been poisoned at Itsu by Scaramella. Then this was shifted to the hotel by Lugovoi. Problem was the radiation detected at Itsu and Litivinenko's accusation of being poisoned by Scaramella undermined that second story. Finally radiation was picked in places even before then in mid October. So now the implausible poisoning became multiple poisoning attempts with a substance highly unlikely to be used as a poison.CarlottaVance said:I'm reading the Litvinenko report. I hadn't realised that this was the second attempt on Litvinenko's life - the first having taken place a couple of weeks earlier.....leaving a trail of radiation across London too:
https://www.litvinenkoinquiry.org/files/Litvinenko-Inquiry-Report-web-version.pdf
Even if one accepts the radiation trail as presented, which I wouldn't, it lends itself far more likely to an accidental poisoning as a result of a leak.
Polonium 210 is used as a nuclear trigger so the concerns as far as I am concerned is what is this substance doing being smuggled here and why are we opening ourselves up to incidents like this by allowing unsavoury characters like Boris Berezovsky to live here? He was a wanted criminal in Russia and should have been extradited there.
Interestingly polonium was supposed to be traceable but the inquiry claimed in this case it wasn't, conveniently.
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And I suspect they'll completely ignore the strange, child kissing incident mentioned in the report. Quite bizarre.rcs1000 said:
So now we can expect ЛондонBob and Lovinputin1983 to parrot it ad nauseumFrancisUrquhart said:
This was exactly the spin the Russian patsy was using the BBC earlier.rcs1000 said:
Ahhh. Is that the new Russian story?LondonBob said:
First he was supposed to have been poisoned at Itsu by Scaramella. Then this was shifted to the hotel by Lugovoi. Problem was the radiation detected at Itsu and Litivinenko's accusation of being poisoned by Scaramella undermined that second story. Finally radiation was picked in places even before then in mid October. So now the implausible poisoning became multiple poisoning attempts with a substance highly unlikely to be used as a poison.CarlottaVance said:I'm reading the Litvinenko report. I hadn't realised that this was the second attempt on Litvinenko's life - the first having taken place a couple of weeks earlier.....leaving a trail of radiation across London too:
https://www.litvinenkoinquiry.org/files/Litvinenko-Inquiry-Report-web-version.pdf
Even if one accepts the radiation trail as presented, which I wouldn't, it lends itself far more likely to an accidental poisoning as a result of a leak.
Polonium 210 is used as a nuclear trigger so the concerns as far as I am concerned is what is this substance doing being smuggled here and why are we opening ourselves up to incidents like this by allowing unsavoury characters like Boris Berezovsky to live here? He was a wanted criminal in Russia and should have been extradited there.
Interestingly polonium was supposed to be traceable but the inquiry claimed in this case it wasn't, conveniently.0 -
Miss Jones, double sympathy for you, given that.0
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On checking Britain Elects, I see that there was a Panelbase poll yesterday, putting Leave ahead by 45% to 42%.0
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So...we should extradite to Russia when Russia won't extradite to us.....?LondonBob said:
He was a wanted criminal in Russia and should have been extradited there.CarlottaVance said:I'm reading the Litvinenko report. I hadn't realised that this was the second attempt on Litvinenko's life - the first having taken place a couple of weeks earlier.....leaving a trail of radiation across London too:
https://www.litvinenkoinquiry.org/files/Litvinenko-Inquiry-Report-web-version.pdf0 -
@BBCNewsEnts: Forthcoming Jeremy Corbyn musical described as "James Bond meets the Kama Sutra". https://t.co/qXcaICVnFY https://t.co/Pn38uotx5x0
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Funny sort of 'leak' that follows two Russians around London (via Hamburg) and the aircraft they flew on......LondonBob said:
Even if one accepts the radiation trail as presented, which I wouldn't, it lends itself far more likely to an accidental poisoning as a result of a leak.CarlottaVance said:I'm reading the Litvinenko report. I hadn't realised that this was the second attempt on Litvinenko's life - the first having taken place a couple of weeks earlier.....leaving a trail of radiation across London too:
https://www.litvinenkoinquiry.org/files/Litvinenko-Inquiry-Report-web-version.pdf
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We will do that with jurisdictions where the extraditor has a passing interest in the rule of law and not just the law of the jungle.CarlottaVance said:
So...we should extradite to Russia when Russia won't extradite to us.....?LondonBob said:
He was a wanted criminal in Russia and should have been extradited there.CarlottaVance said:I'm reading the Litvinenko report. I hadn't realised that this was the second attempt on Litvinenko's life - the first having taken place a couple of weeks earlier.....leaving a trail of radiation across London too:
https://www.litvinenkoinquiry.org/files/Litvinenko-Inquiry-Report-web-version.pdf0 -
Andy Coulson sets up PR firm to provide 'clear, discreet' advice
http://www.totalpolitics.com/blog/455646/andy-coulson-sets-up-pr-firm-to-provide-and39clear-discreetand39-advice.thtml0 -
You mean she kept what she'd like to keep? Always a risk. You have my sympathy. I finally got round to offloading some of my old economics text books but still have all my politics ones; they occasionally come in useful.LucyJones said:
I had a bookshelf full of books in my parents house up North, I was working down South. My mum was moving house, so I offered to go "home" to sort through my stuff. "Don't worry" said my mother, "I know what you'll want to keep, and what you will want to get rid of".Morris_Dancer said:Miss Jones, that's a bit rough (on your dissertation). One hopes you stuck the boot in.
[Must admit I'm something of a hoarder. Probably still got the first story I ever typed on a computer, when I was about 5].
Result? She binned all of my economics, history, politics and German language books, plus all of my essays. (Did a German and Economics degree). Kept half a dozen trashy airport novels. I was gutted when I realised what she had done, but it was too late to do anything by then.
Edited to add: you must be a lot younger than I thought. I hadn't even seen a computer when I was 5. The ZX-81 came out when I was in secondary school, but you had to program that yourself.0 -
He was a Russian and Israeli citizen, why should we have granted him asylum in our country, especially when it damages our national interest and relations with important foreign states, especially given his proven criminality?CarlottaVance said:
So...we should extradite to Russia when Russia won't extradite to us.....?LondonBob said:
He was a wanted criminal in Russia and should have been extradited there.CarlottaVance said:I'm reading the Litvinenko report. I hadn't realised that this was the second attempt on Litvinenko's life - the first having taken place a couple of weeks earlier.....leaving a trail of radiation across London too:
https://www.litvinenkoinquiry.org/files/Litvinenko-Inquiry-Report-web-version.pdf0 -
There was a hell of a backlash when the coalition proposed limiting the total which could be claimed:Mortimer said:OT, but would like to garner the combined wisdom of PB for a hypothetical. Would the financial gains of abolishing gift aid be worth the political cost in a future budget?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9212292/Tax-free-charity-giving-threshold-set-to-be-lifted-to-appease-furious-philanthropists.html
So, quite a high political cost, I expect.
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At any given moment, the opinions that I hold are opinions that I've always held.0
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Germany and Switzerland have had more stable governments than the US or UK (Switzerland's to the point of changes being measured by geologists). The political culture of a country is probably more important than the electoral system in terms of stability. Britain's gone through very stable and very unstable periods, all under FPTP.weejonnie said:
Electoral reform is tricky. The two most stable Government since the war - UK and US have a 'winner takes all' approach (at least that is the effect of a two-party system) . Some European countries give the leading party 'bonus seats' to try and reduce the likelihood of coalitions. The usual effect of coalitions is that the status-quo remains in place if they can stick together, or multiple elections if they can't. Italy has had more elections than a Japanese man on his honeymoon.SeanT said:Btw are there any other PB-ers who have changed their views on a fundamental issue during their time on the site? I reckon it's a good thing.
I've also changed my mind on electoral reform. Thanks to PB. Used to be opposed. Now I support.
Sometimes you have to compromise between 'fairness' and 'action'. Of course at the moment the left don't want PR and the right don't mind - since UKIP + Tories > 50%. In 2010 the left wanted PR and the right didn't - since LAB + LIB was > 50%.
One cynic said that you'll never get a change in voting methodology - no one will ever vote for a change in the system that resulted in them getting to the top of the greasy pole/poll.0 -
Sounds hideous, although how they have managed to stage a dozen new position on the back of a two stroke moped as it crosses the East German border does raise interesting issues.Scott_P said:@BBCNewsEnts: Forthcoming Jeremy Corbyn musical described as "James Bond meets the Kama Sutra". https://t.co/qXcaICVnFY https://t.co/Pn38uotx5x
On the whole, I think I’ll give it a miss.
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Who is "we"?LondonBob said:
He was a Russian and Israeli citizen, why should we have granted him asylum in our country, especially when it damages our national interest and relations with important foreign states, especially given his proven criminality?CarlottaVance said:
So...we should extradite to Russia when Russia won't extradite to us.....?LondonBob said:
He was a wanted criminal in Russia and should have been extradited there.CarlottaVance said:I'm reading the Litvinenko report. I hadn't realised that this was the second attempt on Litvinenko's life - the first having taken place a couple of weeks earlier.....leaving a trail of radiation across London too:
https://www.litvinenkoinquiry.org/files/Litvinenko-Inquiry-Report-web-version.pdf
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Might that have been a reader using TOR instead?TheScreamingEagles said:
Can't you do your IP address check again.rcs1000 said:
So now we can expect ЛондонBob and Lovinputin1983 to parrot it ad nauseumFrancisUrquhart said:
This was exactly the spin the Russian patsy was using the BBC earlier.rcs1000 said:
Ahhh. Is that the new Russian story?LondonBob said:
First he was supposed to have been poisoned at Itsu by Scaramella. Then this was shifted to the hotel by Lugovoi. Problem was the radiation detected at Itsu and Litivinenko's accusation of being poisoned by Scaramella undermined that second story. Finally radiation was picked in places even before then in mid October. So now the implausible poisoning became multiple poisoning attempts with a substance highly unlikely to be used as a poison.CarlottaVance said:I'm reading the Litvinenko report. I hadn't realised that this was the second attempt on Litvinenko's life - the first having taken place a couple of weeks earlier.....leaving a trail of radiation across London too:
https://www.litvinenkoinquiry.org/files/Litvinenko-Inquiry-Report-web-version.pdf
Even if one accepts the radiation trail as presented, which I wouldn't, it lends itself far more likely to an accidental poisoning as a result of a leak.
Polonium 210 is used as a nuclear trigger so the concerns as far as I am concerned is what is this substance doing being smuggled here and why are we opening ourselves up to incidents like this by allowing unsavoury characters like Boris Berezovsky to live here? He was a wanted criminal in Russia and should have been extradited there.
Interestingly polonium was supposed to be traceable but the inquiry claimed in this case it wasn't, conveniently.
I loved it when you told me during the Papal election we had a visitor for the Vatican reading PB.
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A sort of karma for not helping your Mum move I guess, especially since this involved some of your own stuff.LucyJones said:
I had a bookshelf full of books in my parents house up North, I was working down South. My mum was moving house, so I offered to go "home" to sort through my stuff. "Don't worry" said my mother, "I know what you'll want to keep, and what you will want to get rid of".Morris_Dancer said:Miss Jones, that's a bit rough (on your dissertation). One hopes you stuck the boot in.
[Must admit I'm something of a hoarder. Probably still got the first story I ever typed on a computer, when I was about 5].
Result? She binned all of my economics, history, politics and German language books, plus all of my essays. (Did a German and Economics degree). Kept half a dozen trashy airport novels. I was gutted when I realised what she had done, but it was too late to do anything by then.
Edited to add: you must be a lot younger than I thought. I hadn't even seen a computer when I was 5. The ZX-81 came out when I was in secondary school, but you had to program that yourself.0 -
Hot off the press at @TheOnion: ‘Scientists Ask Congress To Fund $50 Billion Science Thing’ https://t.co/gJAPbsL7Oq https://t.co/Ff5U1lhzDz0
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Nice Anecdote
Putting the 'e' in Concorde: E for England & E for Ecosse. From #TonyBenn 1967 Diaries. https://t.co/VnhZUF3TgQ0 -
What's the difference between Putin"s alleged orders and this;JosiasJessop said:
Who is "we"?LondonBob said:
He was a Russian and Israeli citizen, why should we have granted him asylum in our country, especially when it damages our national interest and relations with important foreign states, especially given his proven criminality?CarlottaVance said:
So...we should extradite to Russia when Russia won't extradite to us.....?LondonBob said:
He was a wanted criminal in Russia and should have been extradited there.CarlottaVance said:I'm reading the Litvinenko report. I hadn't realised that this was the second attempt on Litvinenko's life - the first having taken place a couple of weeks earlier.....leaving a trail of radiation across London too:
https://www.litvinenkoinquiry.org/files/Litvinenko-Inquiry-Report-web-version.pdf
Russia?
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/07/david-cameron-justifies-drone-strikes-in-syria-against-britons-fighting-for-isis ?
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I suspect the political cost would be less if you could show that the charities in question were frequently a sham (if that is the case) where gift aid was above £x. Absent that, completely politically inviable.Richard_Nabavi said:
There was a hell of a backlash when the coalition proposed limiting the total which could be claimed:Mortimer said:OT, but would like to garner the combined wisdom of PB for a hypothetical. Would the financial gains of abolishing gift aid be worth the political cost in a future budget?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9212292/Tax-free-charity-giving-threshold-set-to-be-lifted-to-appease-furious-philanthropists.html
So, quite a high political cost, I expect.0 -
Perhaps because of his legitimate fear of persecution and extrajudicial murder?LondonBob said:
He was a Russian and Israeli citizen, why should we have granted him asylum in our country, especially when it damages our national interest and relations with important foreign states, especially given his proven criminality?CarlottaVance said:
So...we should extradite to Russia when Russia won't extradite to us.....?LondonBob said:
He was a wanted criminal in Russia and should have been extradited there.CarlottaVance said:I'm reading the Litvinenko report. I hadn't realised that this was the second attempt on Litvinenko's life - the first having taken place a couple of weeks earlier.....leaving a trail of radiation across London too:
https://www.litvinenkoinquiry.org/files/Litvinenko-Inquiry-Report-web-version.pdf
Indeed it looks like his claim for asylum should have been treated as a nailed on cert.0 -
No just murder him. What a nasty piece of work you are.LondonBob said:
He was a Russian and Israeli citizen, why should we have granted him asylum in our country, especially when it damages our national interest and relations with important foreign states, especially given his proven criminality?CarlottaVance said:
So...we should extradite to Russia when Russia won't extradite to us.....?LondonBob said:
He was a wanted criminal in Russia and should have been extradited there.CarlottaVance said:I'm reading the Litvinenko report. I hadn't realised that this was the second attempt on Litvinenko's life - the first having taken place a couple of weeks earlier.....leaving a trail of radiation across London too:
https://www.litvinenkoinquiry.org/files/Litvinenko-Inquiry-Report-web-version.pdf0 -
If you can't tell the difference between a vocal political opponent and an armed jihadist intent on murdering their fellow citizens then there really is no hope for you.MonikerDiCanio said:
What's the difference between Putin"s alleged orders and this;JosiasJessop said:
Who is "we"?LondonBob said:
He was a Russian and Israeli citizen, why should we have granted him asylum in our country, especially when it damages our national interest and relations with important foreign states, especially given his proven criminality?CarlottaVance said:
So...we should extradite to Russia when Russia won't extradite to us.....?LondonBob said:
He was a wanted criminal in Russia and should have been extradited there.CarlottaVance said:I'm reading the Litvinenko report. I hadn't realised that this was the second attempt on Litvinenko's life - the first having taken place a couple of weeks earlier.....leaving a trail of radiation across London too:
https://www.litvinenkoinquiry.org/files/Litvinenko-Inquiry-Report-web-version.pdf
Russia?
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/07/david-cameron-justifies-drone-strikes-in-syria-against-britons-fighting-for-isis ?
Perhaps you feel Cameron or Corbyn would be justified in having some of their disgruntled back benchers murdered on the quiet because that would be a far more accurate comparison.0 -
Well for one, Cam is man enough to fess up that we did it.MonikerDiCanio said:
What's the difference between Putin"s alleged orders and this;JosiasJessop said:
Who is "we"?LondonBob said:
He was a Russian and Israeli citizen, why should we have granted him asylum in our country, especially when it damages our national interest and relations with important foreign states, especially given his proven criminality?CarlottaVance said:
So...we should extradite to Russia when Russia won't extradite to us.....?LondonBob said:
He was a wanted criminal in Russia and should have been extradited there.CarlottaVance said:I'm reading the Litvinenko report. I hadn't realised that this was the second attempt on Litvinenko's life - the first having taken place a couple of weeks earlier.....leaving a trail of radiation across London too:
https://www.litvinenkoinquiry.org/files/Litvinenko-Inquiry-Report-web-version.pdf
Russia?
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/07/david-cameron-justifies-drone-strikes-in-syria-against-britons-fighting-for-isis ?
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I thought something similar the other day. Close vote to remain then a Europhile Tory leader is elected who refuses to even consider another referendum for several decades. UKIP becomes the only Eurosceptic party.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
Miss Plato, the UKIP wet dream scenario is now actually a plausible possibility.
UK votes to Remain.
EU alters rules so we get a quota of X migrants or suffer financial and other penalties.
Cameron gets replaced by someone rubbish enough to beat Corbyn but not compelling enough to keep voters from going for a populist purple vote.0
