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Possibly, but they might be wise to give him a final written warning, which would give them far greater scope next time.nigel4england said:
He's an impact manager, nothing more and good for 2/3 years at most. I agree it seems he is looking to get sacked, some of you guys with much better knowledge of employment law than me can help with this:blackburn63 said:
I can't imagine anybody having sympathy for Mourinho if he gets the sack, in fact I believe he's looking for an out. His achievements as a manager are there for all to see but he's been bad for football.nigel4england said:
I hope he goes whatever the result, I can't stand the childish egomaniac. We have superb attacking players but play the dullest football imaginable, worse still we have some superb youngsters that will never get a chance under Mourinho.Philip_Thompson said:
As a Liverpool fan tomorrow is exciting in a different way to playing at Stamford Bridge normally is. Chelsea still have to be favourites I suspect but if we win then could that be the final straw for Mourinho?nigel4england said:
They have imploded with Mourinho in full meltdown.RobD said:
Given the way he has behaved this season, first with the club Doctor business and with his behavior at West Ham, would the club have grounds to sack him for gross misconduct?0 -
IIRC, the assumption - not unreasonable for the time and route - was that there'd be other ships in the vicinity that could take the passengers. The lifeboats weren't so much to await rescue in as for transfer from one ship to another.flightpath01 said:Hello rpjs
Yes I believe you are broadly right. However the boat davits were sort of state of the art and in fact could have carried 2 (3?) lifeboats each, not just 1. However this took up a lot of deck space and in the end the space was used to provide some sort of snazzy walking promenade space.
If so, that wouldn't have been much help had it sunk in fog, for example, which is entirely plausible (see the Empress of Ireland).0 -
I'm impressed by this 4th lower to the beam stuff. I was thinking they may have twin keels or extendible keels or other sorts of anti roll systems. They do try very hard to make them stable if only to avoid seasickness.foxinsoxuk said:
I don't think that they have particularly deep keels, though I believe the vertical stability of a boat is proportional to the 4th power of the beam. Other factors matter too of course.flightpath01 said:
Fair point, they are built like multi story buildings. They are really floating hotels after all.foxinsoxuk said:
Observing modern cruise liners I cannot help notice that they have very high freeboard and windage. I suspect that their point of no return following a tilt is much less than more conventional liner shapes. While rolling with wind or waves is possible to anticipate, the tilting effect of an underwater impact with berg, rock or ship is quite possible.DavidBrackenbury said:
Oh dear. No. The Britannic wasn't built yet, the Olympic was only a year older than the Titanic and as with all conspiracy theories, you would have to have a crew of 700 odd people to completely swallow this cunning plan, find and accurately hit an iceberg and have everyone triumphantly rescued. And then never tell anyone! Sorry but no!!Luckyguy1983 said:
I had a friend from a Naval family who had access to the Naval archives and researched the subject exhaustively. He argued very convincingly that the The Titanic was actually The Britannic,ThreeQuidder said:
Didn't he disbelieve the distress call because the Titanic was known to be unsinkable?
The Titanic was steaming at 21 knots, which was fast but not Blue Ribband fast, on a very calm night and saw the iceberg too late.the Officer of the Watch made a split second decision to avoid the berg and really couldn't be blamed for trying to miss.
Had any modern cruise liner, such as Costa Concordia or other large ships of a similar size sustained similar damage, they would probably have capsized very quickly without the opportunity to get all their (inadequate) lifeboats away...
However would they not have double hulls... and fancy keels giving stability?
The capsize of the whale watchers in Canada apparently from crowding on the upper deck demonstrates these can still happen.
As for the whale watching tragedy, I am surprised if these trips had been going on for any length of time at all, that the dangers of rushing to one side of the boat on the upper decks had not manifested themselves earlier.0 -
I don't think he's ever come to terms with not getting the Man Utd job.blackburn63 said:
I can't imagine anybody having sympathy for Mourinho if he gets the sack, in fact I believe he's looking for an out. His achievements as a manager are there for all to see but he's been bad for football.nigel4england said:
I hope he goes whatever the result, I can't stand the childish egomaniac. We have superb attacking players but play the dullest football imaginable, worse still we have some superb youngsters that will never get a chance under Mourinho.Philip_Thompson said:
As a Liverpool fan tomorrow is exciting in a different way to playing at Stamford Bridge normally is. Chelsea still have to be favourites I suspect but if we win then could that be the final straw for Mourinho?nigel4england said:
They have imploded with Mourinho in full meltdown.RobD said:0 -
Do you still think he's going to sweep Labour back in Scotland?HYUFD said:
Indeed and the fact remains Corbyn has not led or come close to leading one poll since he was elected leaderPhilip_Thompson said:
To be fair isn't turnout weighting just as relevant as other parts of weightings?MikeSmithson said:
The point here is that the WEIGHTED ComRes totals had LAB ahead. Once the new turnout model was applied CON moved to 5% lead.HYUFD said:
Unweighted totals before the election were completely wrong and scientifically inaccurate, so what?TheScreamingEagles said:Paging Basil
@MSmithsonPB: Before ComRes applied its turnout model in latest phone poll for the Mail - LAB had small lead. See https://t.co/NePNV8QBbt
That graphic is like taking ICM's data using pre-92 weightings.0 -
Philip_Thompson said:
Do you still think he's going to sweep Labour back in Scotland?
When all else fails, I suppose, you can just plead for mercy. That appears to be the message emanating from the Scottish Labour party’s conference in Perth this weekend. The theme, Kezia Dugdale says, is “Take a fresh look” at Labour.
http://blogs.new.spectator.co.uk/2015/10/jeremy-corbyn-comes-to-scotland-and-discovers-he-has-nothing-to-say/
OK.
[Awkward silence.]
Now what?
How bad might it get? Well, there are people within Labour who worry that the party might come third in next May’s elections. If this still seems rather unlikely it is no longer utterly impossible.
Corbyn’s speech today didn’t even begin to address that. Instead it simply lived down to expectations.0 -
Since when do football clubs need to give final written warnings before sacking a manager? Win the title one more time or you're out. ???david_herdson said:
Possibly, but they might be wise to give him a final written warning, which would give them far greater scope next time.nigel4england said:
He's an impact manager, nothing more and good for 2/3 years at most. I agree it seems he is looking to get sacked, some of you guys with much better knowledge of employment law than me can help with this:blackburn63 said:
I can't imagine anybody having sympathy for Mourinho if he gets the sack, in fact I believe he's looking for an out. His achievements as a manager are there for all to see but he's been bad for football.nigel4england said:
I hope he goes whatever the result, I can't stand the childish egomaniac. We have superb attacking players but play the dullest football imaginable, worse still we have some superb youngsters that will never get a chance under Mourinho.Philip_Thompson said:
As a Liverpool fan tomorrow is exciting in a different way to playing at Stamford Bridge normally is. Chelsea still have to be favourites I suspect but if we win then could that be the final straw for Mourinho?nigel4england said:
They have imploded with Mourinho in full meltdown.RobD said:
Given the way he has behaved this season, first with the club Doctor business and with his behavior at West Ham, would the club have grounds to sack him for gross misconduct?0 -
Sounds like I should wait for it to be on the telly!SeanT said:
I was indeed being quite restrained.Scott_P said:
Come now Sean, it wasn't that goodSeanT said:Spectre is one of the worst Bond films ever made. It is quite stupefyingly mediocre.
I'm not sure so much cinematic money, talent and time has ever been harnessed to produce such an autistic pile of pfft.0 -
Oh go on - tell us which others are in contention for that accolade...SeanT said:
Spectre is one of the worst Bond films ever made. It is quite stupefyingly mediocre.Scott_P said:@robertshrimsley: Spectre - No; just no.
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I never said he would sweep Labour back in Scotland, just he might make some gains from the SNP, the SNP indeed seem to be down in both polls today, just the Tories have made most of the gains with Labour unchanged. (Though Corbyn might win a few more SNP preferences at Holyrood on the regional list)Philip_Thompson said:
Do you still think he's going to sweep Labour back in Scotland?HYUFD said:
Indeed and the fact remains Corbyn has not led or come close to leading one poll since he was elected leaderPhilip_Thompson said:
To be fair isn't turnout weighting just as relevant as other parts of weightings?MikeSmithson said:
The point here is that the WEIGHTED ComRes totals had LAB ahead. Once the new turnout model was applied CON moved to 5% lead.HYUFD said:
Unweighted totals before the election were completely wrong and scientifically inaccurate, so what?TheScreamingEagles said:Paging Basil
@MSmithsonPB: Before ComRes applied its turnout model in latest phone poll for the Mail - LAB had small lead. See https://t.co/NePNV8QBbt
That graphic is like taking ICM's data using pre-92 weightings.0 -
It can't be worse than Die Another Day, Skyfall and Casino Royale were two of the best made in my view so a hard act to follow, if it is better than Quantum of Solace it will be OKSeanT said:
Spectre is one of the worst Bond films ever made. It is quite stupefyingly mediocre.Scott_P said:@robertshrimsley: Spectre - No; just no.
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Great wall of South Africa tonight.0
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Saturdays Times 'Foreigners to pay for emergency healthcare' - long overdue - I have travelled World-wide extensively over the last ten years and I don't know any Country who gives free health care to foreigners0
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Quite fancy Chelsea tmrw at 11/10... And Palace at 3/10
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I think nothing can top Goldfinger as the best one, pretty much the early Connery and the early Moore ones were much better than the ones that followed, but yet again the 60's and 70's were much more imaginative and creative than today's period.HYUFD said:
It can't be worse than Die Another Day, Skyfall and Casino Royale were two of the best made in my view so a hard act to follow, if it is better than Quantum of Solace it will be OKSeanT said:
Spectre is one of the worst Bond films ever made. It is quite stupefyingly mediocre.Scott_P said:@robertshrimsley: Spectre - No; just no.
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There is an extensive work through of the maths in this excellent book:flightpath01 said:
I'm impressed by this 4th lower to the beam stuff. I was thinking they may have twin keels or extendible keels or other sorts of anti roll systems. They do try very hard to make them stable if only to avoid seasickness.foxinsoxuk said:
I don't think that they have particularly deep keels, though I believe the vertical stability of a boat is proportional to the 4th power of the beam. Other factors matter too of course.flightpath01 said:
Fair point, they are built like multi story buildings. They are really floating hotels after all.foxinsoxuk said:
Observing modern cruise liners I cannot help notice that they have very high freeboard and windage. I suspect that their point of no return following a tilt is much less than more conventional liner shapes. While rolling with wind or waves is possible to anticipate, the tilting effect of an underwater impact with berg, rock or ship is quite possible.DavidBrackenbury said:
Oh dear. No. The Britannic wasn't built yet, the Olympic was only a year older than the Titanic and as with all conspiracy theories, you would have to have a crew of 700 odd people to completely swallow this cunning plan, find and accurately hit an iceberg and have everyone triumphantly rescued. And then never tell anyone! Sorry but no!!Luckyguy1983 said:
I had a friend from a Naval family who had access to the Naval archives and researched the subject exhaustively. He argued very convincingly that the The Titanic was actually The Britannic,ThreeQuidder said:
Didn't he disbelieve the distress call because the Titanic was known to be unsinkable?
The Titanic was steaming at 21 knots, which was fast but not Blue Ribband
However would they not have double hulls... and fancy keels giving stability?
The capsize of the whale watchers in Canada apparently from crowding on the upper deck demonstrates these can still happen.
As for the whale watching tragedy, I am surprised if these trips had been going on for any length of time at all, that the dangers of rushing to one side of the boat on the upper decks had not manifested themselves earlier.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Seaworthy-Offshore-Sailboat-Essential-Features/dp/007137616X#productDescription_secondary_view_div_1446241998234
Based on sailing boats of course but the maths should be the same for motor vessels. The author also makes a convincing case that negative inverted stability matters even more. In other words it is not so bad to capsize if the boat is self-righting.0 -
Yes, I agree it sounds very far-fetched. Furthermore it may well be that I muddled the names of the ships - it's all taken from one conversation over ten years ago whilst laying tables!DavidBrackenbury said:
Oh dear. No. The Britannic wasn't built yet, the Olympic was only a year older than the Titanic and as with all conspiracy theories, you would have to have a crew of 700 odd people to completely swallow this cunning plan, find and accurately hit an iceberg and have everyone triumphantly rescued. And then never tell anyone! Sorry but no!!Luckyguy1983 said:
I had a friend from a Naval family who had access to the Naval archives and researched the subject exhaustively. He argued very convincingly that the The Titanic was actually The Britannic, it's sister ship, just disguised as the Titanic, which was old and ready for the scrapheap, and the plan was to sink The Titanic (Britannic), thereby getting rid of the old ship, keeping the shiny new one, and claiming the insurance. The travellers were to be rescued, as a ship was thought to be nearby, but this turned out to be a fishing boat or something?? I'm very low on detail as I've never researched it myself, just telling you what he said. Lots of evidence for it apparently - such as the name Titanic being on a steel plate as opposed to carved into the hull as was usual.ThreeQuidder said:
Didn't he disbelieve the distress call because the Titanic was known to be unsinkable?
The Titanic was steaming at 21 knots, which was fast but not Blue Ribband fast, on a very calm night and saw the iceberg too late.the Officer of the Watch made a split second decision to avoid the berg and really couldn't be blamed for trying to miss.
Had any modern cruise liner, such as Costa Concordia or other large ships of a similar size sustained similar damage, they would probably have capsized very quickly without the opportunity to get all their (inadequate) lifeboats away...0 -
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Oh here is the IBD/TIPP poll link that I forgot to post previously:
http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-polls/103015-778378-donald-trump-leads-ben-carson-second-in-ibd-tipp-poll.htm
Goodnight.0 -
And raise your hand if you have any confidence in polling? Especially from Com(edy) Res?Philip_Thompson said:
To be fair isn't turnout weighting just as relevant as other parts of weightings?MikeSmithson said:
The point here is that the WEIGHTED ComRes totals had LAB ahead. Once the new turnout model was applied CON moved to 5% lead.HYUFD said:
Unweighted totals before the election were completely wrong and scientifically inaccurate, so what?TheScreamingEagles said:Paging Basil
@MSmithsonPB: Before ComRes applied its turnout model in latest phone poll for the Mail - LAB had small lead. See https://t.co/NePNV8QBbt
That graphic is like taking ICM's data using pre-92 weightings.0 -
I would go for a score draw at Chelsea, nil nil at Palace.isam said:Quite fancy Chelsea tmrw at 11/10... And Palace at 3/1
Score draw for the foxes against the baggies too.0 -
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The RNC has "suspended partnership" with NBC News over the next GOP debate in February.
The first fallout from CNBC's handling of wednesday's debate. There will be more.0 -
The risk here is bureaucracy. It means every hospital must create a mechanism for identifying, charging, and receiving payments from, foreigners. Hospitals overseas, of course, charge everyone anyway so they are already set up for this. Maybe it is a good idea, and long overdue, but I'd want to be sure the Department has done its sums and it won't cost more than it makes.Big_G_NorthWales said:Saturdays Times 'Foreigners to pay for emergency healthcare' - long overdue - I have travelled World-wide extensively over the last ten years and I don't know any Country who gives free health care to foreigners
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We have it already. The hard bit is actually getting the money!DecrepitJohnL said:
The risk here is bureaucracy. It means every hospital must create a mechanism for identifying, charging, and receiving payments from, foreigners. Hospitals overseas, of course, charge everyone anyway so they are already set up for this. Maybe it is a good idea, and long overdue, but I'd want to be sure the Department has done its sums and it won't cost more than it makes.Big_G_NorthWales said:Saturdays Times 'Foreigners to pay for emergency healthcare' - long overdue - I have travelled World-wide extensively over the last ten years and I don't know any Country who gives free health care to foreigners
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As you say other Countries are set up for it and we should be the same. The Times quotes 500 million pounds being lost - we really have to do everything to maximise income to the NHSDecrepitJohnL said:
The risk here is bureaucracy. It means every hospital must create a mechanism for identifying, charging, and receiving payments from, foreigners. Hospitals overseas, of course, charge everyone anyway so they are already set up for this. Maybe it is a good idea, and long overdue, but I'd want to be sure the Department has done its sums and it won't cost more than it makes.Big_G_NorthWales said:Saturdays Times 'Foreigners to pay for emergency healthcare' - long overdue - I have travelled World-wide extensively over the last ten years and I don't know any Country who gives free health care to foreigners
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The DWP (having got its fingers burnt with spare room subsidy) has worked out that you need to phase massive changes in, if not for the people who receive them, but for the people who administer them.chestnut said:
Being implemented. One in eight jobseekers.TheKrakenAwakes said:All the recent talk about tax credits - what's happening with Universal Credits?
UC is phased in with all new applicants.0 -
Comres were one of the more accurate pollsters in May and normally had a Tory lead, there online poll gives a 13 point Tory leadFrancisUrquhart said:
And raise your hand if you have any confidence in polling? Especially from Com(edy) Res?Philip_Thompson said:
To be fair isn't turnout weighting just as relevant as other parts of weightings?MikeSmithson said:
The point here is that the WEIGHTED ComRes totals had LAB ahead. Once the new turnout model was applied CON moved to 5% lead.HYUFD said:
Unweighted totals before the election were completely wrong and scientifically inaccurate, so what?TheScreamingEagles said:Paging Basil
@MSmithsonPB: Before ComRes applied its turnout model in latest phone poll for the Mail - LAB had small lead. See https://t.co/NePNV8QBbt
That graphic is like taking ICM's data using pre-92 weightings.0 -
My other two were Swansea at 9/2 and Newcastle at 6/4foxinsoxuk said:
I would go for a score draw at Chelsea, nil nil at Palace.isam said:Quite fancy Chelsea tmrw at 11/10... And Palace at 3/1
Score draw for the foxes against the baggies too.
I need one of Newcastle and Stoke to keep a clean sheet for the 5th leg of last weeks acca to cop ( i meant to put Sunderland vs Newcastle so it should have won anyway... )0 -
The moderator has form for deleting gags of mine that get laughsFrancisUrquhart said:0 -
Diamonds are Forever is my personal favourite although Goldfinger is also up there but I would also have Skyfall and Casino Royale near the topSpeedy said:
I think nothing can top Goldfinger as the best one, pretty much the early Connery and the early Moore ones were much better than the ones that followed, but yet again the 60's and 70's were much more imaginative and creative than today's period.HYUFD said:
It can't be worse than Die Another Day, Skyfall and Casino Royale were two of the best made in my view so a hard act to follow, if it is better than Quantum of Solace it will be OKSeanT said:
Spectre is one of the worst Bond films ever made. It is quite stupefyingly mediocre.Scott_P said:@robertshrimsley: Spectre - No; just no.
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Well I will go in with low expectations then and hope to be surprised, the opening scene in Mexico City is meant to be be very good though so I will go for that if nothing elseSeanT said:
IMHO it's worse than Quantum of Solace, which I forgot entirely after a week. I forgot Spectre DURING the movie. No exagg. I literally forgot who was fighting whom, and why, and why the F I should give a toss about anyone. The lack of a coherent plot is fairly stunning.HYUFD said:
It can't be worse than Die Another Day, Skyfall and Casino Royale were two of the best made in my view so a hard act to follow, if it is better than Quantum of Solace it will be OKSeanT said:
Spectre is one of the worst Bond films ever made. It is quite stupefyingly mediocre.Scott_P said:@robertshrimsley: Spectre - No; just no.
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I loved it, but haven't been interested enough to see Skyfall or Spectre (or Solace for that matter), as Casino Royale was only ok, so maybe my judgement is half ok?Scott_P said:
IIRC TSE liked that one too, so we should all have known just how suspect his cinematic judgement iskle4 said:Heresy.
I thought The Martian was the best film I've seen in years.0 -
Yup. There is a good argument to be made for leaving during the opening credits.HYUFD said:Well I will go in with low expectations then and hope to be surprised, the opening scene in Mexico City is meant to be be very good though so I will go for that if nothing else
And the theme song is crap. I thought it was crap when I heard it a few weeks ago. Somebody said it's better when you see the titles behind it.
They were wrong...0 -
I think your acca should come in.isam said:
My other two were Swansea at 9/2 and Newcastle at 6/4foxinsoxuk said:
I would go for a score draw at Chelsea, nil nil at Palace.isam said:Quite fancy Chelsea tmrw at 11/10... And Palace at 3/1
Score draw for the foxes against the baggies too.
I need one of Newcastle and Stoke to keep a clean sheet for the 5th leg of last weeks acca to cop ( i meant to put Sunderland vs Newcastle so it should have won anyway... )
I think Bounmouth and Norwich are in for pastings though.0 -
Not deleting, just trimming the "http" so it doesn't appear embedded in the comment stream. I try to do this when copy/pasting tweets over, for instance.isam said:
The moderator has form for deleting gags of mine that get laughsFrancisUrquhart said:0 -
I've ordered it in order to see, I had heard of it but in all honesty I'd not even have seen the movie if I hadn't had a day off and felt like killing a few hours. Sounds promising for the book if it is indeed better.Scott_P said:
It is very good, though I think the book is betterkle4 said:I thought The Martian was the best film I've seen in years.
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Mr Smithson must be a Tory, no twitter account.. no vote.. despicable voodoo poll
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In Casino Royale, they had the scriptwriters and the best Bond director (Martin Campbell) painstakingly remove all the fancruft that had attached (Nehru jackets, crater HQ, Martinis, the gadgets, the rapey "seductions") and reduced it to its core: terminator in handmade Savile Row suit kills bad guys.Scott_P said:@robertshrimsley: Spectre - No; just no.
In Spectre, they painstakingly put all the cruft back in.
They did that. They really did that. They sat down and thought "You know the stupid shit we took out? Let's put it back in, because, because that's why James Bond is all about, innit? What could possibly go wrong?"0 -
I'm gonna go for a super duper muggy trebles and accafoxinsoxuk said:
I think your acca should come in.isam said:
My other two were Swansea at 9/2 and Newcastle at 6/4foxinsoxuk said:
I would go for a score draw at Chelsea, nil nil at Palace.isam said:Quite fancy Chelsea tmrw at 11/10... And Palace at 3/1
Score draw for the foxes against the baggies too.
I need one of Newcastle and Stoke to keep a clean sheet for the 5th leg of last weeks acca to cop ( i meant to put Sunderland vs Newcastle so it should have won anyway... )
I think Bounmouth and Norwich are in for pastings though.
Chelsea to win 2-1 or 3-1
Palace to win 2-1 or 3-1
Swansea to win 2-1 or 3-1
Newcastle to win 1-0 or 2-0
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Sometimes great stories come from deconstructing the traditional tropes of a tale, then reconstructing them in a way which works in a fresh way. With Skyfall and Spectre, it seems like opinion is very divided on whether it worked here or not, but I can appreciate the intent perhaps. Until I watch it and, maybe, dislike it.viewcode said:
In Casino Royale, they had the scriptwriters and the best Bond director (Martin Campbell) painstakingly remove all the fancruft that had attached (Nehru jackets, crater HQ, Martinis, the gadgets, the rapey "seductions") and reduced it to its core: terminator in handmade Savile Row suit kills bad guys.Scott_P said:@robertshrimsley: Spectre - No; just no.
In Spectre, they painstakingly put all the cruft back in.
They did that. They really did that. They sat down and thought "You know the stupid shit we took out? Let's put it back in, because, because that's why James Bond is all about, innit? What could possibly go wrong?"0 -
But Bond is about gadgets and Martinis. Shaken not stirred.viewcode said:
In Casino Royale, they had the scriptwriters and the best Bond director (Martin Campbell) painstakingly remove all the fancruft that had attached (Nehru jackets, crater HQ, Martinis, the gadgets, the rapey "seductions") and reduced it to its core: terminator in handmade Savile Row suit kills bad guys.Scott_P said:@robertshrimsley: Spectre - No; just no.
In Spectre, they painstakingly put all the cruft back in.
They did that. They really did that. They sat down and thought "You know the stupid shit we took out? Let's put it back in, because, because that's why James Bond is all about, innit? What could possibly go wrong?"
The notion of Bond drinking Heineken rather than a Martini just grates.
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That might have worked, but in Spectre they reconstructed them as exact replcas of previous Bond scenes.kle4 said:Sometimes great stories come from deconstructing the traditional tropes of a tale, then reconstructing them in a way which works in a fresh way.
This is a spoiler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iO90Z_mXgRE0 -
I think I'll stick with Kingsman for now.Scott_P said:
That might have worked, but in Spectre they reconstructed them as exact replcas of previous Bond scenes.kle4 said:Sometimes great stories come from deconstructing the traditional tropes of a tale, then reconstructing them in a way which works in a fresh way.
This is a spoiler
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Again, still better than Madonna's awful mix for Die Another Day, which was not only the worst Bond film I have seen but one of the worst films I have seen full stop. I managed to stay in the cinema for all of that film, so I will probably last through Spectre until the endScott_P said:
Yup. There is a good argument to be made for leaving during the opening credits.HYUFD said:Well I will go in with low expectations then and hope to be surprised, the opening scene in Mexico City is meant to be be very good though so I will go for that if nothing else
And the theme song is crap. I thought it was crap when I heard it a few weeks ago. Somebody said it's better when you see the titles behind it.
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You have seen Spectre before. It's a remake of this film.Philip_Thompson said:
But Bond is about gadgets and Martinis. Shaken not stirred.viewcode said:
In Casino Royale, they had the scriptwriters and the best Bond director (Martin Campbell) painstakingly remove all the fancruft that had attached (Nehru jackets, crater HQ, Martinis, the gadgets, the rapey "seductions") and reduced it to its core: terminator in handmade Savile Row suit kills bad guys.Scott_P said:@robertshrimsley: Spectre - No; just no.
In Spectre, they painstakingly put all the cruft back in.
They did that. They really did that. They sat down and thought "You know the stupid shit we took out? Let's put it back in, because, because that's why James Bond is all about, innit? What could possibly go wrong?"
The notion of Bond drinking Heineken rather than a Martini just grates.
(Not seen Spectre yet)0 -
No amount of brown nosing from Matthew Hancock will save him now. Alan Yentob is finished as well. Newsnight are reporting that Kids Company was funding an Iranian diplomat's daughter's PhD.0
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Three films I have seen recently, The Martian, The Walk and Suffragette were all excellentkle4 said:
I loved it, but haven't been interested enough to see Skyfall or Spectre (or Solace for that matter), as Casino Royale was only ok, so maybe my judgement is half ok?Scott_P said:
IIRC TSE liked that one too, so we should all have known just how suspect his cinematic judgement iskle4 said:Heresy.
I thought The Martian was the best film I've seen in years.0 -
Dr No was a good low budget thriller, From Russia With Love was better (and the closest to the book), and was the first movie to have a pre-credits sequence, but with Goldfinger it all came together and was a worldwide sensation. The Aston Martin went on its own world tour. Plus Goldfinger has far and away the best theme song.HYUFD said:
Diamonds are Forever is my personal favourite although Goldfinger is also up there but I would also have Skyfall and Casino Royale near the topSpeedy said:
I think nothing can top Goldfinger as the best one, pretty much the early Connery and the early Moore ones were much better than the ones that followed, but yet again the 60's and 70's were much more imaginative and creative than today's period.HYUFD said:
It can't be worse than Die Another Day, Skyfall and Casino Royale were two of the best made in my view so a hard act to follow, if it is better than Quantum of Solace it will be OKSeanT said:
Spectre is one of the worst Bond films ever made. It is quite stupefyingly mediocre.Scott_P said:@robertshrimsley: Spectre - No; just no.
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@michaelsavage: James Meadway will now not be employed as an economic adviser to the Labour leadership. It is expected he'll offer informal advice in future
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All those tweets deleted for no reasonScott_P said:@michaelsavage: James Meadway will now not be employed as an economic adviser to the Labour leadership. It is expected he'll offer informal advice in future
@michaelsavage: It has emerged James Meadway, lined up as Labour adviser, campaigned for George Galloway in 2005 election. Later listed as a Respect member.
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@michaelsavage: In 2005, Meadway said he wanted to "move heaven and earth to ensure" Labour's Oona King lost to Respect's George Galloway.RobD said:All those tweets deleted for no reason
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I agree with the point that deconstructing tropes and recasting them in a modern style can work quite well, as every director of "Richard III" knows well (there's a funny joke in "The Goodbye Girl" about that tendency, btw). And there is some pleasure in using the tropes as a three-finger-exercise, seeing how well you can execute the preset pattern. So those are not bad pointskle4 said:
Sometimes great stories come from deconstructing the traditional tropes of a tale, then reconstructing them in a way which works in a fresh way. With Skyfall and Spectre, it seems like opinion is very divided on whether it worked here or not, but I can appreciate the intent perhaps. Until I watch it and, maybe, dislike it.viewcode said:
In Casino Royale, they had the scriptwriters and the best Bond director (Martin Campbell) painstakingly remove all the fancruft that had attached (Nehru jackets, crater HQ, Martinis, the gadgets, the rapey "seductions") and reduced it to its core: terminator in handmade Savile Row suit kills bad guys.Scott_P said:@robertshrimsley: Spectre - No; just no.
In Spectre, they painstakingly put all the cruft back in.
They did that. They really did that. They sat down and thought "You know the stupid shit we took out? Let's put it back in, because, because that's why James Bond is all about, innit? What could possibly go wrong?"
But Spectre did none of those things, it just threw in the cliches as fanwank - "look! Crater HQ! See what we did there?". It's like that "Simpsons" episode where Homer designs a car, and it's...a shit car.
'Scuse my ranty behavior, but Spectre reminds me of "Jupiter Ascending": a huge budget extravaganza with well-executed action scenes, mutilated by a plot that an eight-year-old child could have pointed out was shit. The twists in Spectre are awful0 -
I did think of writing off on spec with a theme tune of my own for Spectre but never got round to it. One inner theme was hiding 'Spectre' within the lyrics - "I respect a man who lies" etc - before only unleashing if in the final couplet "There's a spectre in your mind / [pause] it's the lives you left behind"HYUFD said:
Again, still better than Madonna's awful mix for Die Another Day, which was not only the worst Bond film I have seen but one of the worst films I have seen full stop. I managed to stay in the cinema for all of that film, so I will probably last through Spectre until the endScott_P said:
Yup. There is a good argument to be made for leaving during the opening credits.HYUFD said:Well I will go in with low expectations then and hope to be surprised, the opening scene in Mexico City is meant to be be very good though so I will go for that if nothing else
And the theme song is crap. I thought it was crap when I heard it a few weeks ago. Somebody said it's better when you see the titles behind it.
They were wrong...
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I think Madonna's Die Another Day theme tune stands up quite well - its very Madonna (glad she didn't try and do a torch song), but also has the orchestral side. Her cameo wasn't terrible either, but that could just be compared to the unmitigated shite that was the rest of the film.HYUFD said:
Again, still better than Madonna's awful mix for Die Another Day, which was not only the worst Bond film I have seen but one of the worst films I have seen full stop. I managed to stay in the cinema for all of that film, so I will probably last through Spectre until the endScott_P said:
Yup. There is a good argument to be made for leaving during the opening credits.HYUFD said:Well I will go in with low expectations then and hope to be surprised, the opening scene in Mexico City is meant to be be very good though so I will go for that if nothing else
And the theme song is crap. I thought it was crap when I heard it a few weeks ago. Somebody said it's better when you see the titles behind it.
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My limited Bond knowledge
'View to a Kill' was a good song
The golf scene in Goldfinger is great
I watched the one that came out in 1995 ish at the pictures but can't remember a think about it
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I think the next leader will be Sajid Javed or Theresa May.0
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Is it shocking to anyone that the Labour Leadership now are closer to Gorgeous George than Oona?Scott_P said:
@michaelsavage: In 2005, Meadway said he wanted to "move heaven and earth to ensure" Labour's Oona King lost to Respect's George Galloway.RobD said:All those tweets deleted for no reason
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The gizmos in the latest bond movie could be called the 'In Spectre Gadgets'0
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"Ministers were sent a report containing "gobsmacking" details about Kids Company only three days before paying it £3m.
The document confirmed large payments to individual clients and the family of staff and found incomplete financial records.
At the time, the charity said clinical need justified the spending.
Newsnight and BuzzFeed News have seen the report, which was commissioned by Kids Company.
The document confirms that one individual client received £47,069 in tax-free support in 2014 alone and the charity spent more than £50,000 funding someone described as the child of an Iranian diplomat, including their PhD study."
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cough cough Spy Who Loved Me, cough cough Goldeneye...Tim_B said:
Dr No was a good low budget thriller, From Russia With Love was better (and the closest to the book), and was the first movie to have a pre-credits sequence, but with Goldfinger it all came together and was a worldwide sensation. The Aston Martin went on its own world tour. Plus Goldfinger has far and away the best theme song.HYUFD said:
Diamonds are Forever is my personal favourite although Goldfinger is also up there but I would also have Skyfall and Casino Royale near the topSpeedy said:
I think nothing can top Goldfinger as the best one, pretty much the early Connery and the early Moore ones were much better than the ones that followed, but yet again the 60's and 70's were much more imaginative and creative than today's period.HYUFD said:
It can't be worse than Die Another Day, Skyfall and Casino Royale were two of the best made in my view so a hard act to follow, if it is better than Quantum of Solace it will be OKSeanT said:
Spectre is one of the worst Bond films ever made. It is quite stupefyingly mediocre.Scott_P said:@robertshrimsley: Spectre - No; just no.
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I think you'll find that was the whole point of the reboot. It was meant to take the story back to the beginning and show Bond becoming Bond. The fact they seem to have not to have succeeded in making those elements plausible in a 21st century scenario is neither here nor there.viewcode said:
In Casino Royale, they had the scriptwriters and the best Bond director (Martin Campbell) painstakingly remove all the fancruft that had attached (Nehru jackets, crater HQ, Martinis, the gadgets, the rapey "seductions") and reduced it to its core: terminator in handmade Savile Row suit kills bad guys.Scott_P said:@robertshrimsley: Spectre - No; just no.
In Spectre, they painstakingly put all the cruft back in.
They did that. They really did that. They sat down and thought "You know the stupid shit we took out? Let's put it back in, because, because that's why James Bond is all about, innit? What could possibly go wrong?"0 -
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It's the last day of the month, so it's time for another Court ordered Clinton email dump. 268 emails contain classified information, bringing the total to almost 700.0
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I know that's the whole point of the reboot. But once Bond was fully assembled at the end of Casino Royale, they didn't have to put the cruft back in.Luckyguy1983 said:
I think you'll find that was the whole point of the reboot. It was meant to take the story back to the beginning and show Bond becoming Bond. The fact they seem to have not to have succeeded in making those elements plausible in a 21st century scenario is neither here nor there.viewcode said:
In Casino Royale, they had the scriptwriters and the best Bond director (Martin Campbell) painstakingly remove all the fancruft that had attached (Nehru jackets, crater HQ, Martinis, the gadgets, the rapey "seductions") and reduced it to its core: terminator in handmade Savile Row suit kills bad guys.Scott_P said:@robertshrimsley: Spectre - No; just no.
In Spectre, they painstakingly put all the cruft back in.
They did that. They really did that. They sat down and thought "You know the stupid shit we took out? Let's put it back in, because, because that's why James Bond is all about, innit? What could possibly go wrong?"0 -
But Bond isn't fully assembled without fast cars, girls, gadgets and Martinis etcviewcode said:
I know that's the whole point of the reboot. But once Bond was fully assembled at the end of Casino Royale, they didn't have to put the cruft back in.Luckyguy1983 said:
I think you'll find that was the whole point of the reboot. It was meant to take the story back to the beginning and show Bond becoming Bond. The fact they seem to have not to have succeeded in making those elements plausible in a 21st century scenario is neither here nor there.viewcode said:
In Casino Royale, they had the scriptwriters and the best Bond director (Martin Campbell) painstakingly remove all the fancruft that had attached (Nehru jackets, crater HQ, Martinis, the gadgets, the rapey "seductions") and reduced it to its core: terminator in handmade Savile Row suit kills bad guys.Scott_P said:@robertshrimsley: Spectre - No; just no.
In Spectre, they painstakingly put all the cruft back in.
They did that. They really did that. They sat down and thought "You know the stupid shit we took out? Let's put it back in, because, because that's why James Bond is all about, innit? What could possibly go wrong?"0 -
The ministers who authorised funds to Kids Company after reading the report about money being spent on PhDs and designer clothes ought to resign IMO.0
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I can't leave this Bond discussion without repeating Norfolk's finest DJ's command that you stop getting Bond wrong...0
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Goldfinger I agree has the best song, followed closely by Diamonds are Forever. Honourable mentions for Skyfall, The Spy who Loved Me, Goldeneye, From Russia With Love, On Her Majesty's Secret Service 'We have all the time in the world' and Live and Let Die and I also quite liked Duran Duran's 'A View to A Kill'Tim_B said:
Dr No was a good low budget thriller, From Russia With Love was better (and the closest to the book), and was the first movie to have a pre-credits sequence, but with Goldfinger it all came together and was a worldwide sensation. The Aston Martin went on its own world tour. Plus Goldfinger has far and away the best theme song.HYUFD said:
Diamonds are Forever is my personal favourite although Goldfinger is also up there but I would also have Skyfall and Casino Royale near the topSpeedy said:
I think nothing can top Goldfinger as the best one, pretty much the early Connery and the early Moore ones were much better than the ones that followed, but yet again the 60's and 70's were much more imaginative and creative than today's period.HYUFD said:
It can't be worse than Die Another Day, Skyfall and Casino Royale were two of the best made in my view so a hard act to follow, if it is better than Quantum of Solace it will be OKSeanT said:
Spectre is one of the worst Bond films ever made. It is quite stupefyingly mediocre.Scott_P said:@robertshrimsley: Spectre - No; just no.
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I think Daniel Craig is fine and I appreciate how they've tried to take the character in a slightly different direction but he'd only be my fourth favourite Bond after Connery, Moore and Mike Myers.isam said:My limited Bond knowledge
'View to a Kill' was a good song
The golf scene in Goldfinger is great
I watched the one that came out in 1995 ish at the pictures but can't remember a think about it
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The thing I found weird about the reboot was keeping Dame Judi Dench as M etcLuckyguy1983 said:
I think you'll find that was the whole point of the reboot. It was meant to take the story back to the beginning and show Bond becoming Bond. The fact they seem to have not to have succeeded in making those elements plausible in a 21st century scenario is neither here nor there.viewcode said:
In Casino Royale, they had the scriptwriters and the best Bond director (Martin Campbell) painstakingly remove all the fancruft that had attached (Nehru jackets, crater HQ, Martinis, the gadgets, the rapey "seductions") and reduced it to its core: terminator in handmade Savile Row suit kills bad guys.Scott_P said:@robertshrimsley: Spectre - No; just no.
In Spectre, they painstakingly put all the cruft back in.
They did that. They really did that. They sat down and thought "You know the stupid shit we took out? Let's put it back in, because, because that's why James Bond is all about, innit? What could possibly go wrong?"
Having new Bond actors continue to play Bond (and so keeping Q, M etc) is one thing but rebooting and keeping them seemed odd to me.0 -
I see your point, but at best these things should be background. They are not sufficient in and of themselves: you do have to have things like plot, characters, dialogue...Philip_Thompson said:
But Bond isn't fully assembled without fast cars, girls, gadgets and Martinis etcviewcode said:
I know that's the whole point of the reboot. But once Bond was fully assembled at the end of Casino Royale, they didn't have to put the cruft back in.Luckyguy1983 said:
I think you'll find that was the whole point of the reboot. It was meant to take the story back to the beginning and show Bond becoming Bond. The fact they seem to have not to have succeeded in making those elements plausible in a 21st century scenario is neither here nor there.viewcode said:
In Casino Royale, they had the scriptwriters and the best Bond director (Martin Campbell) painstakingly remove all the fancruft that had attached (Nehru jackets, crater HQ, Martinis, the gadgets, the rapey "seductions") and reduced it to its core: terminator in handmade Savile Row suit kills bad guys.Scott_P said:@robertshrimsley: Spectre - No; just no.
In Spectre, they painstakingly put all the cruft back in.
They did that. They really did that. They sat down and thought "You know the stupid shit we took out? Let's put it back in, because, because that's why James Bond is all about, innit? What could possibly go wrong?"0 -
Bond is supposed to be a great big boy's adventure against great nasty people in great far-away settings, always saving the day and the girl.Philip_Thompson said:
But Bond isn't fully assembled without fast cars, girls, gadgets and Martinis etcviewcode said:
I know that's the whole point of the reboot. But once Bond was fully assembled at the end of Casino Royale, they didn't have to put the cruft back in.Luckyguy1983 said:
I think you'll find that was the whole point of the reboot. It was meant to take the story back to the beginning and show Bond becoming Bond. The fact they seem to have not to have succeeded in making those elements plausible in a 21st century scenario is neither here nor there.viewcode said:
In Casino Royale, they had the scriptwriters and the best Bond director (Martin Campbell) painstakingly remove all the fancruft that had attached (Nehru jackets, crater HQ, Martinis, the gadgets, the rapey "seductions") and reduced it to its core: terminator in handmade Savile Row suit kills bad guys.Scott_P said:@robertshrimsley: Spectre - No; just no.
In Spectre, they painstakingly put all the cruft back in.
They did that. They really did that. They sat down and thought "You know the stupid shit we took out? Let's put it back in, because, because that's why James Bond is all about, innit? What could possibly go wrong?"
That pretty much summarizes it.0 -
Nah, Mrs May is too old, too much of the last generation. That there will be lady in the final two is odds on, but who? Morris Dancer reckons Justine Greening, but I think she has become too housetrained by her civil servants at the DfID to be popular enough with MPs, let alone the party at large. Priti Patel is too hard.AndyJS said:I think the next leader will be Sajid Javed or Theresa May.
My money is on Liz Truss, providing she doesn't make an ass of herself between now and the leadership election and does OK at DEFRA. She has those blue eyes and sardonic half-smile (just look at her picture on her web site) that will turn many middle aged conservative MPs weak at the knees and make them beg for the privilege of nominating her. She also has the steel that will enable her to appeal to the lady voters. Her back story ain't bad either - comprehensive educated, left wing parents, and 12 years doing real jobs in the private sector - shame about the PPE from Oxford, but she can't be perfect.
Liz Truss or Mr. Javid will be the next Conservative leader and probably Prime Minister. Faites vos jeux, mesdames et messieurs, faites vos jeux.0 -
Gawd, not Liz Truss. Didn't she give that awful conference speech. Makes me cringe just thinking about it (much apols to her if it is a case of mistaken identity).HurstLlama said:
Nah, Mrs May is too old, too much of the last generation. That there will be lady in the final two is odds on, but who? Morris Dancer reckons Justine Greening, but I think she has become too housetrained by her civil servants at the DfID to be popular enough with MPs, let alone the party at large. Priti Patel is too hard.AndyJS said:I think the next leader will be Sajid Javed or Theresa May.
My money is on Liz Truss, providing she doesn't make an ass of herself between now and the leadership election and does OK at DEFRA. She has those blue eyes and sardonic half-smile (just look at her picture on her web site) that will turn many middle aged conservative MPs weak at the knees and make them beg for the privilege of nominating her. She also has the steel that will enable her to appeal to the lady voters. Her back story ain't bad either - comprehensive educated, left wing parents, and 12 years doing real jobs in the private sector - shame about the PPE from Oxford, but she can't be perfect.
Liz Truss or Mr. Javid will be the next Conservative leader and probably Prime Minister. Faites vos jeux, mesdames et messieurs, faites vos jeux.0 -
Shirley Bassey and Amy Winehouse had the same and best voice for a bond song, however only one lives.HYUFD said:
Goldfinger I agree has the best song, followed closely by Diamonds are Forever. Honourable mentions for Skyfall, The Spy who Loved Me, Goldeneye, From Russia With Love, On Her Majesty's Secret Service 'We have all the time in the world' and Live and Let Die and I also quite liked Duran Duran's 'A View to A Kill'Tim_B said:
Dr No was a good low budget thriller, From Russia With Love was better (and the closest to the book), and was the first movie to have a pre-credits sequence, but with Goldfinger it all came together and was a worldwide sensation. The Aston Martin went on its own world tour. Plus Goldfinger has far and away the best theme song.HYUFD said:
Diamonds are Forever is my personal favourite although Goldfinger is also up there but I would also have Skyfall and Casino Royale near the topSpeedy said:
I think nothing can top Goldfinger as the best one, pretty much the early Connery and the early Moore ones were much better than the ones that followed, but yet again the 60's and 70's were much more imaginative and creative than today's period.HYUFD said:
It can't be worse than Die Another Day, Skyfall and Casino Royale were two of the best made in my view so a hard act to follow, if it is better than Quantum of Solace it will be OKSeanT said:
Spectre is one of the worst Bond films ever made. It is quite stupefyingly mediocre.Scott_P said:@robertshrimsley: Spectre - No; just no.
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The fact that Madonna's theme was the best thing about the film tells you how bad it wasLuckyguy1983 said:
I think Madonna's Die Another Day theme tune stands up quite well - its very Madonna (glad she didn't try and do a torch song), but also has the orchestral side. Her cameo wasn't terrible either, but that could just be compared to the unmitigated shite that was the rest of the film.HYUFD said:
Again, still better than Madonna's awful mix for Die Another Day, which was not only the worst Bond film I have seen but one of the worst films I have seen full stop. I managed to stay in the cinema for all of that film, so I will probably last through Spectre until the endScott_P said:
Yup. There is a good argument to be made for leaving during the opening credits.HYUFD said:Well I will go in with low expectations then and hope to be surprised, the opening scene in Mexico City is meant to be be very good though so I will go for that if nothing else
And the theme song is crap. I thought it was crap when I heard it a few weeks ago. Somebody said it's better when you see the titles behind it.
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You could have been the SeanT of the film composer world!david_herdson said:
I did think of writing off on spec with a theme tune of my own for Spectre but never got round to it. One inner theme was hiding 'Spectre' within the lyrics - "I respect a man who lies" etc - before only unleashing if in the final couplet "There's a spectre in your mind / [pause] it's the lives you left behind"HYUFD said:
Again, still better than Madonna's awful mix for Die Another Day, which was not only the worst Bond film I have seen but one of the worst films I have seen full stop. I managed to stay in the cinema for all of that film, so I will probably last through Spectre until the endScott_P said:
Yup. There is a good argument to be made for leaving during the opening credits.HYUFD said:Well I will go in with low expectations then and hope to be surprised, the opening scene in Mexico City is meant to be be very good though so I will go for that if nothing else
And the theme song is crap. I thought it was crap when I heard it a few weeks ago. Somebody said it's better when you see the titles behind it.
They were wrong...
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I don't know about the speech thing, Mr. D., I didn't follow this year's conferences at all. However, if you can come up with another plausible lady candidate I shall be all ears.RobD said:
Gawd, not Liz Truss. Didn't she give that awful conference speech. Makes me cringe just thinking about it (much apols to her if it is a case of mistaken identity).HurstLlama said:
Nah, Mrs May is too old, too much of the last generation. That there will be lady in the final two is odds on, but who? Morris Dancer reckons Justine Greening, but I think she has become too housetrained by her civil servants at the DfID to be popular enough with MPs, let alone the party at large. Priti Patel is too hard.AndyJS said:I think the next leader will be Sajid Javed or Theresa May.
My money is on Liz Truss, providing she doesn't make an ass of herself between now and the leadership election and does OK at DEFRA. She has those blue eyes and sardonic half-smile (just look at her picture on her web site) that will turn many middle aged conservative MPs weak at the knees and make them beg for the privilege of nominating her. She also has the steel that will enable her to appeal to the lady voters. Her back story ain't bad either - comprehensive educated, left wing parents, and 12 years doing real jobs in the private sector - shame about the PPE from Oxford, but she can't be perfect.
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The world of the Bond song is a very murky one. The Good Lady Wifi wrote a song for either Goldneye or Tomorrow Never Dies (I can't recall which) and it was the personal favourite of Barbara Broccoli. But even that wasn't enough to get it through the music industry machinations...david_herdson said:
I did think of writing off on spec with a theme tune of my own for Spectre but never got round to it. One inner theme was hiding 'Spectre' within the lyrics - "I respect a man who lies" etc - before only unleashing if in the final couplet "There's a spectre in your mind / [pause] it's the lives you left behind"HYUFD said:
Again, still better than Madonna's awful mix for Die Another Day, which was not only the worst Bond film I have seen but one of the worst films I have seen full stop. I managed to stay in the cinema for all of that film, so I will probably last through Spectre until the endScott_P said:
Yup. There is a good argument to be made for leaving during the opening credits.HYUFD said:Well I will go in with low expectations then and hope to be surprised, the opening scene in Mexico City is meant to be be very good though so I will go for that if nothing else
And the theme song is crap. I thought it was crap when I heard it a few weeks ago. Somebody said it's better when you see the titles behind it.
They were wrong...
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One of the things the early Bonds had was great editing. Watch Goldfinger (the shortest of the Bonds) - or Thunderball or You Only Live Twice - and you'll see they have a pace (thanks to great editing) which is missing today.0
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Yes absolutely.viewcode said:
I see your point, but at best these things should be background. They are not sufficient in and of themselves: you do have to have things like plot, characters, dialogue...Philip_Thompson said:
But Bond isn't fully assembled without fast cars, girls, gadgets and Martinis etcviewcode said:
I know that's the whole point of the reboot. But once Bond was fully assembled at the end of Casino Royale, they didn't have to put the cruft back in.Luckyguy1983 said:
I think you'll find that was the whole point of the reboot. It was meant to take the story back to the beginning and show Bond becoming Bond. The fact they seem to have not to have succeeded in making those elements plausible in a 21st century scenario is neither here nor there.viewcode said:
In Casino Royale, they had the scriptwriters and the best Bond director (Martin Campbell) painstakingly remove all the fancruft that had attached (Nehru jackets, crater HQ, Martinis, the gadgets, the rapey "seductions") and reduced it to its core: terminator in handmade Savile Row suit kills bad guys.Scott_P said:@robertshrimsley: Spectre - No; just no.
In Spectre, they painstakingly put all the cruft back in.
They did that. They really did that. They sat down and thought "You know the stupid shit we took out? Let's put it back in, because, because that's why James Bond is all about, innit? What could possibly go wrong?"0 -
Indeed, while Bassey's Bond themes are immortal it was a shame Winehouse never got the chance to do oneSpeedy said:
Shirley Bassey and Amy Winehouse had the same and best voice for a bond song, however only one lives.HYUFD said:
Goldfinger I agree has the best song, followed closely by Diamonds are Forever. Honourable mentions for Skyfall, The Spy who Loved Me, Goldeneye, From Russia With Love, On Her Majesty's Secret Service 'We have all the time in the world' and Live and Let Die and I also quite liked Duran Duran's 'A View to A Kill'Tim_B said:
Dr No was a good low budget thriller, From Russia With Love was better (and the closest to the book), and was the first movie to have a pre-credits sequence, but with Goldfinger it all came together and was a worldwide sensation. The Aston Martin went on its own world tour. Plus Goldfinger has far and away the best theme song.HYUFD said:
Diamonds are Forever is my personal favourite although Goldfinger is also up there but I would also have Skyfall and Casino Royale near the topSpeedy said:
I think nothing can top Goldfinger as the best one, pretty much the early Connery and the early Moore ones were much better than the ones that followed, but yet again the 60's and 70's were much more imaginative and creative than today's period.HYUFD said:
It can't be worse than Die Another Day, Skyfall and Casino Royale were two of the best made in my view so a hard act to follow, if it is better than Quantum of Solace it will be OKSeanT said:
Spectre is one of the worst Bond films ever made. It is quite stupefyingly mediocre.Scott_P said:@robertshrimsley: Spectre - No; just no.
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Ah, I think it was a few years ago, so maybe she's improved since then!HurstLlama said:
I don't know about the speech thing, Mr. D., I didn't follow this year's conferences at all. However, if you can come up with another plausible lady candidate I shall be all ears.RobD said:
Gawd, not Liz Truss. Didn't she give that awful conference speech. Makes me cringe just thinking about it (much apols to her if it is a case of mistaken identity).HurstLlama said:
Nah, Mrs May is too old, too much of the last generation. That there will be lady in the final two is odds on, but who? Morris Dancer reckons Justine Greening, but I think she has become too housetrained by her civil servants at the DfID to be popular enough with MPs, let alone the party at large. Priti Patel is too hard.AndyJS said:I think the next leader will be Sajid Javed or Theresa May.
My money is on Liz Truss, providing she doesn't make an ass of herself between now and the leadership election and does OK at DEFRA. She has those blue eyes and sardonic half-smile (just look at her picture on her web site) that will turn many middle aged conservative MPs weak at the knees and make them beg for the privilege of nominating her. She also has the steel that will enable her to appeal to the lady voters. Her back story ain't bad either - comprehensive educated, left wing parents, and 12 years doing real jobs in the private sector - shame about the PPE from Oxford, but she can't be perfect.
Liz Truss or Mr. Javid will be the next Conservative leader and probably Prime Minister. Faites vos jeux, mesdames et messieurs, faites vos jeux.0 -
You didn't mention Nina and Frederick in OHMSS!!!!!HYUFD said:
Goldfinger I agree has the best song, followed closely by Diamonds are Forever. Honourable mentions for Skyfall, The Spy who Loved Me, Goldeneye, From Russia With Love, On Her Majesty's Secret Service 'We have all the time in the world' and Live and Let Die and I also quite liked Duran Duran's 'A View to A Kill'Tim_B said:
Dr No was a good low budget thriller, From Russia With Love was better (and the closest to the book), and was the first movie to have a pre-credits sequence, but with Goldfinger it all came together and was a worldwide sensation. The Aston Martin went on its own world tour. Plus Goldfinger has far and away the best theme song.HYUFD said:
Diamonds are Forever is my personal favourite although Goldfinger is also up there but I would also have Skyfall and Casino Royale near the topSpeedy said:
I think nothing can top Goldfinger as the best one, pretty much the early Connery and the early Moore ones were much better than the ones that followed, but yet again the 60's and 70's were much more imaginative and creative than today's period.HYUFD said:
It can't be worse than Die Another Day, Skyfall and Casino Royale were two of the best made in my view so a hard act to follow, if it is better than Quantum of Solace it will be OKSeanT said:
Spectre is one of the worst Bond films ever made. It is quite stupefyingly mediocre.Scott_P said:@robertshrimsley: Spectre - No; just no.
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