Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. F, what sort of shift does that indicate?

Plato_Says said:

Petulant and arrogant. Dismissing the entire press corps as unworthy of his time is incredibly stupid. They'll write about him, and he won't influence the end copy.

Philip_Thompson said:

Plato_Says said:

Jamie Ross ‏@JamieRoss7 7m7 minutes ago

I'm on the train to Edinburgh to cover Corbyn's visit tomorrow and just been told he won't be speaking to journalists. Well worth the trip.

Seriously WTF is wrong with this guy.

John_M said:

Plato_Says said:

Petulant and arrogant. Dismissing the entire press corps as unworthy of his time is incredibly stupid. They'll write about him, and he won't influence the end copy.

Philip_Thompson said:

Plato_Says said:

Jamie Ross ‏@JamieRoss7 7m7 minutes ago

I'm on the train to Edinburgh to cover Corbyn's visit tomorrow and just been told he won't be speaking to journalists. Well worth the trip.

Seriously WTF is wrong with this guy.

The press will rue the day they crossed the Great Leader. He'll treat them with well deserved disdain while his elite Twittertroopers storm the social media barricades.

Honestly, it's ghastly yet oddly fascinating; like watching someone self-harm in the street.

What he said: "I am not a leader who wants to impose leadership lines all the time"

What he meant: I tried imposing my view on Trident, but Unite voted it down, so I had better pretend the new politics is all about open and listening leadership... until I can bring in new rules to give the supporters who voted for me the power over policy.

Sandpit said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Plato_Says said:

Jamie Ross ‏@JamieRoss7 7m7 minutes ago

I'm on the train to Edinburgh to cover Corbyn's visit tomorrow and just been told he won't be speaking to journalists. Well worth the trip.

Seriously WTF is wrong with this guy.

What is he expecting the journalists to do, fill pages of copy repeating that the LotO hates journalists and drags them around the country, only to tell them to go screw themselves when they get there..?

isam said:

MikeSole said:

I wonder if the increased concern about immigration might be because you can be concerned about immigration to the UK in an anti-immigration way, but also concern about immigration in a compassionate way. I might not be concerned about the numbers entering the UK, but I may be concerned that immigrants/refugees throughout Europe, which is an issue affecting the UK, should be well treated.

Highly unlikely

MarqueeMark said:

Morris_Dancer said:

If Corbyn gets control of Labour completely (he seems to have NEC, has a mnadate [as he likes to remind people] and only needs to rid himself of some pesky MPs) the press can write what it likes and he won't be moved.

Mind you, Labour tremble at the prospect of knifing a leader anyway.

Great piece on this in the Times today by The Fink.

"The Party has had 17 leaders and it has not pushed out a single one between elections. Labour has only deposed a leader once in any circumstances. This came immediately after the 1922 election, when John Clynes was superseded by Ramsay MacDonald, who was returning to the leadership upon re-election to Parliament."

TheWhiteRabbit said:

isam said:

MikeSole said:

I wonder if the increased concern about immigration might be because you can be concerned about immigration to the UK in an anti-immigration way, but also concern about immigration in a compassionate way. I might not be concerned about the numbers entering the UK, but I may be concerned that immigrants/refugees throughout Europe, which is an issue affecting the UK, should be well treated.

Highly unlikely

If I say "refugees" how is that recorded?

SquareRoot said:

Sandpit said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Plato_Says said:

Jamie Ross ‏@JamieRoss7 7m7 minutes ago

I'm on the train to Edinburgh to cover Corbyn's visit tomorrow and just been told he won't be speaking to journalists. Well worth the trip.

Seriously WTF is wrong with this guy.

What is he expecting the journalists to do, fill pages of copy repeating that the LotO hates journalists and drags them around the country, only to tell them to go screw themselves when they get there..?

His cohorts from the loony left will love it.. it will be played as putting two fingers up at Murdoch.... and in the end people will leave Labour or just not vote and the real Labour stalwarts won't do the donkey work. That's if they haven't been purged first.
I feel for the Labour party, its in its death throws.

LadyBucket said:

Ashcroft's book to be launched a week earlier than planned - due out on Monday 1st day of Conservative Conference. Revenge indeed!!

GIN1138 said:

LadyBucket said:

Ashcroft's book to be launched a week earlier than planned - due out on Monday 1st day of Conservative Conference. Revenge indeed!!

I should think his book will go down like a bowl of sick with Tory delegates...

Plato_Says said:

Laura Kuenssberg ‏@bbclaurak 1h1 hour ago

NEC now majority of Corbyn backers - changes to rules he wants to make now look possible + once rules change, big policy shifts more likely

SouthamObserver said:

Plato_Says said:

Laura Kuenssberg ‏@bbclaurak 1h1 hour ago

NEC now majority of Corbyn backers - changes to rules he wants to make now look possible + once rules change, big policy shifts more likely

That looks like a Corbyn slam dunk. I did not think he would manage it so swiftly, if at all. Of all the great news the Tories have had this week, this is the best for them.

GIN1138 said:

MarqueeMark said:

Morris_Dancer said:

If Corbyn gets control of Labour completely (he seems to have NEC, has a mnadate [as he likes to remind people] and only needs to rid himself of some pesky MPs) the press can write what it likes and he won't be moved.

Mind you, Labour tremble at the prospect of knifing a leader anyway.

Great piece on this in the Times today by The Fink.

"The Party has had 17 leaders and it has not pushed out a single one between elections. Labour has only deposed a leader once in any circumstances. This came immediately after the 1922 election, when John Clynes was superseded by Ramsay MacDonald, who was returning to the leadership upon re-election to Parliament."

Although...

Tony Blair was basically kicked out. Sure, he was allowed to go on from September 2006 to June 2007 and it wasn't especially bloody but he was pretty much forcibly removed from office by Brown and the Forces From Hell.

John_M said:

isam said:

TheWhiteRabbit said:

isam said:

MikeSole said:

I wonder if the increased concern about immigration might be because you can be concerned about immigration to the UK in an anti-immigration way, but also concern about immigration in a compassionate way. I might not be concerned about the numbers entering the UK, but I may be concerned that immigrants/refugees throughout Europe, which is an issue affecting the UK, should be well treated.

Highly unlikely

If I say "refugees" how is that recorded?

I think the number of people answering

"What do you see as the most important issue concerning Britain today"

with

"The way refugees that are not here yet will be treated"

is so low as to be insignificant

I'd just like us to stop importing the population of Cardiff every year. It's not helpful.

TheWhiteRabbit said:

isam said:

TheWhiteRabbit said:

isam said:

MikeSole said:

I wonder if the increased concern about immigration might be because you can be concerned about immigration to the UK in an anti-immigration way, but also concern about immigration in a compassionate way. I might not be concerned about the numbers entering the UK, but I may be concerned that immigrants/refugees throughout Europe, which is an issue affecting the UK, should be well treated.

Highly unlikely

If I say "refugees" how is that recorded?

I think the number of people answering

"What do you see as the most important issue concerning Britain today"

with

"The way refugees that are not here yet will be treated"

is so low as to be insignificant

I was thinking more "refugee crisis", that sort of thing...

I don't think it will be mroe than a few percent in any case, just wanted to know.

Roger said:

Plato.

You've now written over a thousand posts in a week and all about Corbyn. Surely no one can be that dull?

HortenceWithering said:

Roger said:

Plato.

You've now written over a thousand posts in a week and all about Corbyn. Surely no one can be that dull?

Have you met ScottP ?

watford30 said:

Roger said:

Plato.

You've now written over a thousand posts in a week and all about Corbyn. Surely no one can be that dull?

Roger, you've now written over a thousand posts in a week and all about Plato. Why don't you get on with it, and ask her out for a date?

Sandpit said:

isam said:

Sandpit said:

SquareRoot said:

Sandpit said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Plato_Says said:

Jamie Ross ‏@JamieRoss7 7m7 minutes ago

I'm on the train to Edinburgh to cover Corbyn's visit tomorrow and just been told he won't be speaking to journalists. Well worth the trip.

Seriously WTF is wrong with this guy.

What is he expecting the journalists to do, fill pages of copy repeating that the LotO hates journalists and drags them around the country, only to tell them to go screw themselves when they get there..?

The Morning Star giving him a puff piece isn't going to win an election. Is today the day the Labour party started to eat itself alive?

Playing Devils Advocate here, and I am never going to vote for Corbyn, but Mike has written many threads on the decreasing influence of the dead tree press, and Corbyn won the Labour leadership despite every media outlet slaughtering him.. Corbyn himself has slaughtered them back recently, so I just don't see the surprise... he may be wrong to think it, but he obviously thinks he can succeed without their support, or maybe even attract voters because of the lack of establishment support

Agree with your Devil's advocacy - he's obviously decided he doesn't need the media, in which case all he's left with is the Twitter echo chamber and a mightily pissed-off press corps. After this week of being given the run-around, will they all just ignore him from now on? Only one thing worse than being talked about...

< sarcasm >
Surely the Tories will be smooching them with Champers next week, Cameron can probably make a speech announcing the compulsory killing of first-born sons and he'll still get good front pages. < / sarcasm >

Farage tried to be the anti establishment figure at the GE, and I think UKIP are... but ex City men in suits dont look anti establishment, and so it doesn't really work. It definitely plays to the vanity of Corbynista's to be made to feel anti establishment/victims, it is their ambition to be that... I don't think that sits as well with Kippers, who generally want to get on

To me Russell Brand is an establishment figure, but because of his look and act he puts on, many think he is Che Guevera.. Corbyn is tapping into that.. despite almost every lefty cause being establishment backed (political correctness, comprehensive schooling, mass immigration)

JohnO said:

HortenceWithering said:

Roger said:

Plato.

You've now written over a thousand posts in a week and all about Corbyn. Surely no one can be that dull?

Have you met ScottP ?

No Mike, have you?

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Observer, you do have my sympathies.

Honorius was an abysmal emperor, but held the post for decades, though few men deserved it less. Let's hope Corbyn has a more curtailed leadership.

flightpath01 said:

MarqueeMark said:

Morris_Dancer said:

If Corbyn gets control of Labour completely (he seems to have NEC, has a mnadate [as he likes to remind people] and only needs to rid himself of some pesky MPs) the press can write what it likes and he won't be moved.

Mind you, Labour tremble at the prospect of knifing a leader anyway.

Great piece on this in the Times today by The Fink.

"The Party has had 17 leaders and it has not pushed out a single one between elections. Labour has only deposed a leader once in any circumstances. This came immediately after the 1922 election, when John Clynes was superseded by Ramsay MacDonald, who was returning to the leadership upon re-election to Parliament."

Blair did not want to go

Roger said:

Watford

'Why don't you get on with it, and ask her out for a date?"

We could go and play Russian roulette on the M1. Even if I lost it would be a relief

JEO said:

Plato_Says said:

Anyone hear this?

‏@IainDale

Just done a bizarre interview with Lord Falconer. He slammed JC on the nuclear button & refused to endorse him as a good potential PM.

Did this actually happen? Or did someone just tell Iain Dale at a dinner party and he's reporting it as fact?

MarqueeMark said:

flightpath01 said:

MarqueeMark said:

Morris_Dancer said:

If Corbyn gets control of Labour completely (he seems to have NEC, has a mnadate [as he likes to remind people] and only needs to rid himself of some pesky MPs) the press can write what it likes and he won't be moved.

Mind you, Labour tremble at the prospect of knifing a leader anyway.

Great piece on this in the Times today by The Fink.

"The Party has had 17 leaders and it has not pushed out a single one between elections. Labour has only deposed a leader once in any circumstances. This came immediately after the 1922 election, when John Clynes was superseded by Ramsay MacDonald, who was returning to the leadership upon re-election to Parliament."

Blair did not want to go

He had said he wouldn't serve a full term.

Roger said:

SO

'Corbyn Labour does not want the support of Red Tories like me; which is kind of lucky, as it is not going to get it ;-)"

I don't agree . He's raised some interesting points. Whether a leader can survive without the usual party disciplines is an open question but it's time orthodoxies like Trident were debated and BC they just never would or could be. Similarly our various international alliances which I think all on the left should welcome

JWisemann said:

I don't need to name names as you'll all know to who I refer, but surely even the right wingers here must surely think the small handful of problem-children who do nothing but copy and paste stuff from one or two tabloid sources with zero informed opinion of their own are a teensy bit of a tedious waste of time?

OldKingCole said:

Roger said:

SO

'Corbyn Labour does not want the support of Red Tories like me; which is kind of lucky, as it is not going to get it ;-)"

I don't agree . He's raised some interesting points. Whether a leader can survive without the usual party disciplines is an open question but it's time orthodoxies like Trident were debated and BC they just never would or could be. Similarly our various international alliances which I think all on the left should welcome

I'm not this is wise, but I agree with Roger.There too many "givens" for all major and almost major political parties and, given that we have the FTPA, it's the appopriate time to have such "orthodxies" were seriously challenged.

isam said:

Sandpit said:

SquareRoot said:

Sandpit said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Plato_Says said:

Jamie Ross ‏@JamieRoss7 7m7 minutes ago

I'm on the train to Edinburgh to cover Corbyn's visit tomorrow and just been told he won't be speaking to journalists. Well worth the trip.

Seriously WTF is wrong with this guy.

What is he expecting the journalists to do, fill pages of copy repeating that the LotO hates journalists and drags them around the country, only to tell them to go screw themselves when they get there..?

His cohorts from the loony left will love it.. it will be played as putting two fingers up at Murdoch.... and in the end people will leave Labour or just not vote and the real Labour stalwarts won't do the donkey work. That's if they haven't been purged first.
I feel for the Labour party, its in its death throws.

Given that the BBC and the Guardian have been going for him in the last couple of days, he is rapidly running out of friends and has made it quite clear to everyone that he doesn't want to play the game.

The Morning Star giving him a puff piece isn't going to win an election. Is today the day the Labour party started to eat itself alive?

Playing Devils Advocate here, and I am never going to vote for Corbyn, but Mike has written many threads on the decreasing influence of the dead tree press, and Corbyn won the Labour leadership despite every media outlet slaughtering him.. Corbyn himself has slaughtered them back recently, so I just don't see the surprise... he may be wrong to think it, but he obviously thinks he can succeed without their support, or maybe even attract voters because of the lack of establishment support