It's difficult to imagine that the discounted price of VW's affected diesel models and perhaps those of other manufacturers won't drop by at least 10% over the coming months, where a price reduction of around 5%-6% is already considerably overdue on account of Sterling's strength against the Euro throughout 2015.
Every penny invested by government is a complete waste of money.
Fuel Cell technology exists. It works exactly the way we use vehicles today. It is where any support should be going.
lead acid was overtaken by NiMh then Lithium - which are moving forward with sulphurs and other additives - it's hard and slow but they keep getting better.
Fuel cell have their own problems too - not just the small matter of finding safe H2 delivery systems - the power density isn't great so you could go 2000 miles on a tank but it would take you 2 minutes to go from 0-60.
Fuel Cell vehicles do not burn Hydrogen to provide work. They burn Hydrogen to create electricity and the electricity drives the vehicle.
The performance is not an issue.
So how do you increase the pressure to sustain the energy output? The hydrogen cycle is not an easy problem to solve. If it was someone would already have done it and massively disrupted the market. Atomisation of water takes an insane amount of energy and there are no catalysts to brinf the energy barrier down to a reasonable level. It requires ultra high temperature molten salt reactors as a part of the equation, which is billions in investment and state subsidies.
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The purpose of the deception was to lower the NO2 emissions. Will this affect to any significant degree the fuel consumption? Possibly not. That is a different metric where companies have to pass a certain average for all the cars they produce. Diesel cars became popular when the great crime was CO2 - now they realise that diesels give out NO2. Whatever the emissions - every time you slow down and go over a speed hump and move away you put up your emissions - at the very areas where these emissions are not wanted - and ruin your suspension as well.
VW are stupid - but they are in good company
Consumers won't notice the nuances. In future, car buyers will just think "Hmm, VW, aren't they the car company that lies a lot?"
Given that VW's absolute USPs were *Teutonic integrity* and *reliable engineering* this could be catastrophic. My guess is that the company will survive, albeit diminished.
The best hope for them is that others are also caught, spreading the muck.
Who'd have though there'd be a positive in us not having any British car firms any more?
we are one of Europe's largest engine manufacturers.
Now now, TSE. We should be magnanimous and make clear that honest capitalist refugees fleeing the corrupt corporatist catastrophe will be welcome here.
I love the Germans and Germany. German cars are one of my luxuries in life.
TSE = Eddy VIII
I prefer to see myself as Ed IV, or maybe Edward Longshanks or Cœur de Lion but would prefer to be George VI.
Now now, TSE. We should be magnanimous and make clear that honest capitalist refugees fleeing the corrupt corporatist catastrophe will be welcome here.
I love the Germans and Germany. German cars are one of my luxuries in life.
TSE = Eddy VIII
I prefer to see myself as Ed IV, or maybe Edward Longshanks or Cœur de Lion but would prefer to be George VI.
Diesel cars are the norm on the continent and are much more fuel efficient than petrol. The VW fiddle has not changed that. The biggest negative here could well be for the reputation of the German car industry. It remains to be seen if others will be drawn into the net.
They are nothing like as fuel efficient as Toyota hybrids.
Nissan Leaf.
Problem about a Nissan Leaf is the range.
And battery capacity decline over time.
I love electric cars from an engineering efficiency POV. There seems something objectively strange about still being in a position where filling a tank with liquid hydrocarbons extracted from beneath the earth, and then sort of blowing it up, is most effective way to propel our vehicles.
That said, the motor vehicle (buses excepted) as mass urban transit solution is also highly inefficient.
Electric cars are a technological dead end.
Every penny invested by government is a complete waste of money.
Fuel Cell technology exists. It works exactly the way we use vehicles today. It is where any support should be going.
Manufacture of hydrogen requires serious investment and a whole new way of energy generation. Unless you mean hydrocarbon fuel cells, which are not exactly less polluting than standard cars.
No, advancement in battery and capacitor technology is where we need to look. The best part is that private industry will do it without subsidy because phone users want better battery life.
Progress in battery technology is also exceptionally slow afaik, and uses batsh*t insane amounts of rare earths and other scarce materials.
True, but I don't see enthusiasm for molten salt reactors and ultra high temperature atomisation of water for the hydrogen economy being high enough to sustain a hydrogen fuel cycle. It would also require massive government subsidies and investment guarantees as well. Companies like Sony and Samsung are willing to invest their own money into battery tech, I would let them do it.
Bio-production is the future of Hydrogen production, it's not far away. It would be commercial already if a fraction of the backing from governments had gone into this instead of the dead end of charged electric vehicles.
Every penny invested by government is a complete waste of money.
Fuel Cell technology exists. It works exactly the way we use vehicles today. It is where any support should be going.
lead acid was overtaken by NiMh then Lithium - which are moving forward with sulphurs and other additives - it's hard and slow but they keep getting better.
Fuel cell have their own problems too - not just the small matter of finding safe H2 delivery systems - the power density isn't great so you could go 2000 miles on a tank but it would take you 2 minutes to go from 0-60.
Fuel Cell vehicles do not burn Hydrogen to provide work. They burn Hydrogen to create electricity and the electricity drives the vehicle.
The performance is not an issue.
So how do you increase the pressure to sustain the energy output? The hydrogen cycle is not an easy problem to solve. If it was someone would already have done it and massively disrupted the market. Atomisation of water takes an insane amount of energy and there are no catalysts to brinf the energy barrier down to a reasonable level. It requires ultra high temperature molten salt reactors as a part of the equation, which is billions in investment and state subsidies.
Agree, but neither tech is anywhere near being a replacement for petrol/diesel engines yet, and the challenges are very different for both.
The purpose of the deception was to lower the NO2 emissions. Will this affect to any significant degree the fuel consumption? Possibly not. That is a different metric where companies have to pass a certain average for all the cars they produce. Diesel cars became popular when the great crime was CO2 - now they realise that diesels give out NO2. Whatever the emissions - every time you slow down and go over a speed hump and move away you put up your emissions - at the very areas where these emissions are not wanted - and ruin your suspension as well.
VW are stupid - but they are in good company
Consumers won't notice the nuances. In future, car buyers will just think "Hmm, VW, aren't they the car company that lies a lot?"
Given that VW's absolute USPs were *Teutonic integrity* and *reliable engineering* this could be catastrophic. My guess is that the company will survive, albeit diminished.
The best hope for them is that others are also caught, spreading the muck.
Who'd have though there'd be a positive in us not having any British car firms any more?
we are one of Europe's largest engine manufacturers.
Yes, but someone else will carry the financial can.
Yep, but I'm not sure that battery technology is scalable to the necessary degree either, given their requirements in (admittedly often misnamed) rare earths.
But it's not just a question of energy density in the battery; there's also the charging time problem as well. ISTR that the new fast-charging tech that is coming in is incompatible with the highest densities batteries.
And they'll always be lugging a few hundred kilos of batteries around, which have a limited lifetime.
I'm not sure either, I just think it is an easier problem to solve than the hydrogen fuel cycle. Fast charging is compatible with Li-Po batteries which are the most dense batteries, but I'm not sure how widespread usage of Li-Po is in the auto industry, aiui most still us Li-ion.
Every penny invested by government is a complete waste of money.
Fuel Cell technology exists. It works exactly the way we use vehicles today. It is where any support should be going.
lead acid was overtaken by NiMh then Lithium - which are moving forward with sulphurs and other additives - it's hard and slow but they keep getting better.
Fuel cell have their own problems too - not just the small matter of finding safe H2 delivery systems - the power density isn't great so you could go 2000 miles on a tank but it would take you 2 minutes to go from 0-60.
Fuel Cell vehicles do not burn Hydrogen to provide work. They burn Hydrogen to create electricity and the electricity drives the vehicle.
The performance is not an issue.
So how do you increase the pressure to sustain the energy output? The hydrogen cycle is not an easy problem to solve. If it was someone would already have done it and massively disrupted the market. Atomisation of water takes an insane amount of energy and there are no catalysts to brinf the energy barrier down to a reasonable level. It requires ultra high temperature molten salt reactors as a part of the equation, which is billions in investment and state subsidies.
Diesel cars are the norm on the continent and are much more fuel efficient than petrol. The VW fiddle has not changed that. The biggest negative here could well be for the reputation of the German car industry. It remains to be seen if others will be drawn into the net.
They are nothing like as fuel efficient as Toyota hybrids.
Nissan Leaf.
Problem about a Nissan Leaf is the range.
And battery capacity decline over time.
I love electric cars from an engineering efficiency POV. There seems something objectively strange about still being in a position where filling a tank with liquid hydrocarbons extracted from beneath the earth, and then sort of blowing it up, is most effective way to propel our vehicles.
That said, the motor vehicle (buses excepted) as mass urban transit solution is also highly inefficient.
Electric cars are a technological dead end.
Every penny invested by government is a complete waste of money.
Fuel Cell technology exists. It works exactly the way we use vehicles today. It is where any support should be going.
Manufacture of hydrogen requires serious investment and a whole new way of energy generation. Unless you mean hydrocarbon fuel cells, which are not exactly less polluting than standard cars.
No, advancement in battery and capacitor technology is where we need to look. The best part is that private industry will do it without subsidy because phone users want better battery life.
Progress in battery technology is also exceptionally slow afaik, and uses batsh*t insane amounts of rare earths and other scarce materials.
True, but I don't see enthusiasm for molten salt reactors and ultra high temperature atomisation of water for the hydrogen economy being high enough to sustain a hydrogen fuel cycle. It would also require massive government subsidies and investment guarantees as well. Companies like Sony and Samsung are willing to invest their own money into battery tech, I would let them do it.
Bio-production is the future of Hydrogen production, it's not far away. It would be commercial already if a fraction of the backing from governments had gone into this instead of the dead end of charged electric vehicles.
Wasn't the algae based production a scam in the end?
''Jesus. Basically the entire German car industry.''
Opel are owned by GM (Amercan) and are the same as Vauxhall - which a British brand which builds cars on Merseyside. All BMW 3 and 4 cylinder engines are built in Birmingham - thats for every 3/4 cylinder BMW in the world. To date over 3.5 million engines have been built at there.
Jaguar Land Rover have just built a multimillion pound diesel engine plant in the midlands. Ford have just opened a £500 million diesel engine plant in Essex
The purpose of the deception was to lower the NO2 emissions. Will this affect to any significant degree the fuel consumption? Possibly not. That is a different metric where companies have to pass a certain average for all the cars they produce. Diesel cars became popular when the great crime was CO2 - now they realise that diesels give out NO2. Whatever the emissions - every time you slow down and go over a speed hump and move away you put up your emissions - at the very areas where these emissions are not wanted - and ruin your suspension as well.
VW are stupid - but they are in good company
Consumers won't notice the nuances. In future, car buyers will just think "Hmm, VW, aren't they the car company that lies a lot?"
Given that VW's absolute USPs were *Teutonic integrity* and *reliable engineering* this could be catastrophic. My guess is that the company will survive, albeit diminished.
The best hope for them is that others are also caught, spreading the muck.
Who'd have though there'd be a positive in us not having any British car firms any more?
we are one of Europe's largest engine manufacturers.
Yes, but someone else will carry the financial can.
are you nuts ?
if the engine plants get stopped then people lose their jobs.
Currently we have plants from Ford, GM, Toyota, Nissan, BMW, JLR, Honda. Most of them ship worldwide as engines get shared.
Yep, but I'm not sure that battery technology is scalable to the necessary degree either, given their requirements in (admittedly often misnamed) rare earths.
But it's not just a question of energy density in the battery; there's also the charging time problem as well. ISTR that the new fast-charging tech that is coming in is incompatible with the highest densities batteries.
And they'll always be lugging a few hundred kilos of batteries around, which have a limited lifetime.
I'm not sure either, I just think it is an easier problem to solve than the hydrogen fuel cycle. Fast charging is compatible with Li-Po batteries which are the most dense batteries, but I'm not sure how widespread usage of Li-Po is in the auto industry, aiui most still us Li-ion.
I'll bow to your superior knowledge on particular battery techs - it's way out of my area (although I know someone to ask However, I thought that some of the fast charging techs (there are more than one being developed) were incompatible with certain forthcoming battery techs?
Where you may have a point is that there are many companies developing battery tech, so one or other may hit on the solution (either alone or in combination), whilst the fuel-cell problem might need much more expensive big-bang research.
Now now, TSE. We should be magnanimous and make clear that honest capitalist refugees fleeing the corrupt corporatist catastrophe will be welcome here.
I love the Germans and Germany. German cars are one of my luxuries in life.
TSE = Eddy VIII
I prefer to see myself as Ed IV, or maybe Edward Longshanks or Cœur de Lion but would prefer to be George VI.
The purpose of the deception was to lower the NO2 emissions. Will this affect to any significant degree the fuel consumption? Possibly not. That is a different metric where companies have to pass a certain average for all the cars they produce. Diesel cars became popular when the great crime was CO2 - now they realise that diesels give out NO2. Whatever the emissions - every time you slow down and go over a speed hump and move away you put up your emissions - at the very areas where these emissions are not wanted - and ruin your suspension as well.
VW are stupid - but they are in good company
Consumers won't notice the nuances. In future, car buyers will just think "Hmm, VW, aren't they the car company that lies a lot?"
Given that VW's absolute USPs were *Teutonic integrity* and *reliable engineering* this could be catastrophic. My guess is that the company will survive, albeit diminished.
The best hope for them is that others are also caught, spreading the muck.
Who'd have though there'd be a positive in us not having any British car firms any more?
we are one of Europe's largest engine manufacturers.
Yes, but someone else will carry the financial can.
are you nuts ?
if the engine plants get stopped then people lose their jobs.
Currently we have plants from Ford, GM, Toyota, Nissan, BMW, JLR, Honda. Most of them ship worldwide as engines get shared.
They won't get stopped for more than a few days. That's as certain as anything in this. At best it'll be a rapid software change.
Fuel Cell vehicles do not burn Hydrogen to provide work. They burn Hydrogen to create electricity and the electricity drives the vehicle.
The performance is not an issue.
So you need chemical batteries on board. Whats your point ?
You don't have to stop every 100 miles and wait around for several hours.
Science suggest that 4x current capacity is achievable - once you have 400 miles you are in the same ball park as a tank of petrol.
Probably the solution will be a fuel cell with a large battery to cope with power surges and - so you need both technologies.
Well with a fuel cell a capacitor could be used which changes the game, but I'm not sure that high pressure hydrogen could fill the capacitors faster than they would be drained. It would still require ultra high pressure storage.
''Jesus. Basically the entire German car industry.''
Opel are owned by GM (Amercan) and are the same as Vauxhall - which a British brand which builds cars on Merseyside. All BMW 3 and 4 cylinder engines are built in Birmingham - thats for every 3/4 cylinder BMW in the world. To date over 3.5 million engines have been built at there.
Jaguar Land Rover have just built a multimillion pound diesel engine plant in the midlands. Ford have just opened a £500 million diesel engine plant in Essex
Yep, but I'm not sure that battery technology is scalable to the necessary degree either, given their requirements in (admittedly often misnamed) rare earths.
But it's not just a question of energy density in the battery; there's also the charging time problem as well. ISTR that the new fast-charging tech that is coming in is incompatible with the highest densities batteries.
And they'll always be lugging a few hundred kilos of batteries around, which have a limited lifetime.
I'm not sure either, I just think it is an easier problem to solve than the hydrogen fuel cycle. Fast charging is compatible with Li-Po batteries which are the most dense batteries, but I'm not sure how widespread usage of Li-Po is in the auto industry, aiui most still us Li-ion.
I'll bow to your superior knowledge on particular battery techs - it's way out of my area (although I know someone to ask However, I thought that some of the fast charging techs (there are more than one being developed) were incompatible with certain forthcoming battery techs?
Where you may have a point is that there are many companies developing battery tech, so one or other may hit on the solution (either alone or in combination), whilst the fuel-cell problem might need much more expensive big-bang research.
Fast charging isn't compatible with Sony's Olivine battery which is what you may be thinking of.
The purpose of the deception was to lower the NO2 emissions. Will this affect to any significant degree the fuel consumption? Possibly not. That is a different metric where companies have to pass a certain average for all the cars they produce. Diesel cars became popular when the great crime was CO2 - now they realise that diesels give out NO2. Whatever the emissions - every time you slow down and go over a speed hump and move away you put up your emissions - at the very areas where these emissions are not wanted - and ruin your suspension as well.
VW are stupid - but they are in good company
Consumers won't notice the nuances. In future, car buyers will just think "Hmm, VW, aren't they the car company that lies a lot?"
Given that VW's absolute USPs were *Teutonic integrity* and *reliable engineering* this could be catastrophic. My guess is that the company will survive, albeit diminished.
The best hope for them is that others are also caught, spreading the muck.
Who'd have though there'd be a positive in us not having any British car firms any more?
we are one of Europe's largest engine manufacturers.
Yes, but someone else will carry the financial can.
are you nuts ?
if the engine plants get stopped then people lose their jobs.
Currently we have plants from Ford, GM, Toyota, Nissan, BMW, JLR, Honda. Most of them ship worldwide as engines get shared.
They won't get stopped for more than a few days. That's as certain as anything in this. At best it'll be a rapid software change.
I said that on the previous thread since nobody can afford to stop production.
But governments will be crawling all over this and it will be easier to adapt the legislation than change production. Car plants work on flow production, if you bugger about with it too much it takes ages to get the flow right again.
I wonder what Edward II would have made of piggate?
He'd have envied the pig, considering what was (reputedly) inserted in his case.
While this particular story has caused immense glee to generations of schoolboys over the centuries, it's almost certainly apocryphal.
On the one hand, Maltravers & Co. were ordered to kill Edward II by a method that would appear like death by natural causes; on the other, Edward's screams were supposedly so loud that people could hear them in the town of Berkeley, and knelt in the snow to pray for him.
Modern doctors think that it's unlikely that insertion of a red hot poker in the rectum would immediately kill the victim, but rather, he'd die of peritonitis.
Of course it is a powerful lobby in the EU. The German manufacturers get preferential protection like the French farmers do.
If the wrongdoing is common place in the industry one impact could be that the automakers have less credibility to speak out on the European referendum.
and british bankers.
who has gone to jail here ? One bloke, yet billions have been earned corruptly.
It's never enough is it with you lot.
Moan a minute. Never satisfied!
No one's been jailed you say. So we find someone & now you want more?
The purpose of the deception was to lower the NO2 emissions. Will this affect to any significant degree the fuel consumption? Possibly not. That is a different metric where companies have to pass a certain average for all the cars they produce. Diesel cars became popular when the great crime was CO2 - now they realise that diesels give out NO2. Whatever the emissions - every time you slow down and go over a speed hump and move away you put up your emissions - at the very areas where these emissions are not wanted - and ruin your suspension as well.
VW are stupid - but they are in good company
Consumers won't notice the nuances. In future, car buyers will just think "Hmm, VW, aren't they the car company that lies a lot?"
Given that VW's absolute USPs were *Teutonic integrity* and *reliable engineering* this could be catastrophic. My guess is that the company will survive, albeit diminished.
The best hope for them is that others are also caught, spreading the muck.
Who'd have though there'd be a positive in us not having any British car firms any more?
we are one of Europe's largest engine manufacturers.
Yes, but someone else will carry the financial can.
are you nuts ?
if the engine plants get stopped then people lose their jobs.
Currently we have plants from Ford, GM, Toyota, Nissan, BMW, JLR, Honda. Most of them ship worldwide as engines get shared.
They won't get stopped for more than a few days. That's as certain as anything in this. At best it'll be a rapid software change.
I said that on the previous thread since nobody can afford to stop production.
But governments will be crawling all over this and it will be easier to adapt the legislation than change production. Car plants work on flow production, if you bugger about with it too much it takes ages to get the flow right again.
Yet legislative changes will require changes in every country in the world the relevant engine is sold to, and in any legislative groupings (e.g. EU). Given that regulatory change takes time, and some countries may use delays to damage foreign competitors, it must still be easier to take the production hit required to 'fix' the fixed engines.
They are nothing like as fuel efficient as Toyota hybrids.
Nissan Leaf.
Problem about a Nissan Leaf is the range.
And battery capacity decline over time.
I love electric cars from an engineering efficiency POV. There seems something objectively strange about still being in a position where filling a tank with liquid hydrocarbons extracted from beneath the earth, and then sort of blowing it up, is most effective way to propel our vehicles.
That said, the motor vehicle (buses excepted) as mass urban transit solution is also highly inefficient.
Electric cars are a technological dead end.
Every penny invested by government is a complete waste of money.
Fuel Cell technology exists. It works exactly the way we use vehicles today. It is where any support should be going.
Manufacture of hydrogen requires serious investment and a whole new way of energy generation. Unless you mean hydrocarbon fuel cells, which are not exactly less polluting than standard cars.
No, advancement in battery and capacitor technology is where we need to look. The best part is that private industry will do it without subsidy because phone users want better battery life.
Progress in battery technology is also exceptionally slow afaik, and uses batsh*t insane amounts of rare earths and other scarce materials.
True, but I don't see enthusiasm for molten salt reactors and ultra high temperature atomisation of water for the hydrogen economy being high enough to sustain a hydrogen fuel cycle. It would also require massive government subsidies and investment guarantees as well. Companies like Sony and Samsung are willing to invest their own money into battery tech, I would let them do it.
Bio-production is the future of Hydrogen production, it's not far away. It would be commercial already if a fraction of the backing from governments had gone into this instead of the dead end of charged electric vehicles.
Wasn't the algae based production a scam in the end?
Hydrogen fuel cells emit water vapour. Water vapour makes up over 90% of so called greenhouse gases. Hydrogen does not come naturally - it has to be produced and in producing it there are carbon emissions. Natural gas coal and LPG are used to produce hydrogen.
I am convinced that british bookmakers will be outed in a similar way at some point regarding FOBTs
Yes - they're a licence to print money, so much so that the major bookies are rushing to open more and more high street shops to accommmodate these machines, even in locations where they are already well represented. At the very least and as a first step, the government should more severely restrict the number of machines allowed in each shop.
Fuel Cell vehicles do not burn Hydrogen to provide work. They burn Hydrogen to create electricity and the electricity drives the vehicle.
The performance is not an issue.
So you need chemical batteries on board. Whats your point ?
You don't have to stop every 100 miles and wait around for several hours.
Science suggest that 4x current capacity is achievable - once you have 400 miles you are in the same ball park as a tank of petrol.
Probably the solution will be a fuel cell with a large battery to cope with power surges and - so you need both technologies.
Well with a fuel cell a capacitor could be used which changes the game, but I'm not sure that high pressure hydrogen could fill the capacitors faster than they would be drained. It would still require ultra high pressure storage.
You're making this sound like a theoretical future.
The Honda Clarity was in production for 8 years, with a 0-60 time of 10 seconds.
Unfortunately, it looks like Honda have canned it due to the low sales numbers. And those sales numbers are due to the lack of Hydrgen filling stations and little else. Of course this is a problem.
But the actual motive technology is not a problem, it's been solved and it works.
Of course it is a powerful lobby in the EU. The German manufacturers get preferential protection like the French farmers do.
If the wrongdoing is common place in the industry one impact could be that the automakers have less credibility to speak out on the European referendum.
and british bankers.
who has gone to jail here ? One bloke, yet billions have been earned corruptly.
It's never enough is it with you lot.
Moan a minute. Never satisfied!
No one's been jailed you say. So we find someone & now you want more?
I am convinced that british bookmakers will be outed in a similar way at some point regarding FOBTs
When I was thinking of becoming a UKIP candidate, I wrote to the policy makers suggesting a way to banish FOBT's would be to make any shop that had one apply for a license as an amusement arcade, and withdraw their ability to take sports bets... they are a social menace. Having them in bookmakers gives them an air of respectability as if they can be beaten by skill
Hydrogen fuel cells emit water vapour. Water vapour makes up over 90% of so called greenhouse gases. Hydrogen does not come naturally - it has to be produced and in producing it there are carbon emissions. Natural gas coal and LPG are used to produce hydrogen.
Isn't the problem high-altitude water vapour, rather than low-level? And the atmosphere has a rather wonderful water vapour clearance system which I can hear on the windows as I type.
I am convinced that british bookmakers will be outed in a similar way at some point regarding FOBTs
When I was Thinking of becoming a UKIP candidate, I wrote to the policy makers suggesting a way to banish FOBT's would be to make any shop that had one apply for a license as an amusement arcade and withdraw the ability to take sports bets... they are a social menace
You really need to push on that - you're knowledgeable and it appears a thoroughly justifiable campaign.
The purpose of the deception was to lower the NO2 emissions. Will this affect to any significant degree the fuel consumption? Possibly not. That is a different metric where companies have to pass a certain average for all the cars they produce. Diesel cars became popular when the great crime was CO2 - now they realise that diesels give out NO2. Whatever the emissions - every time you slow down and go over a speed hump and move away you put up your emissions - at the very areas where these emissions are not wanted - and ruin your suspension as well.
VW are stupid - but they are in good company
Consumers won't notice the nuances. In future, car buyers will just think "Hmm, VW, aren't they the car company that lies a lot?"
Given that VW's absolute USPs were *Teutonic integrity* and *reliable engineering* this could be catastrophic. My guess is that the company will survive, albeit diminished.
The best hope for them is that others are also caught, spreading the muck.
Who'd have though there'd be a positive in us not having any British car firms any more?
we are one of Europe's largest engine manufacturers.
Yes, but someone else will carry the financial can.
are you nuts ?
if the engine plants get stopped then people lose their jobs.
Currently we have plants from Ford, GM, Toyota, Nissan, BMW, JLR, Honda. Most of them ship worldwide as engines get shared.
They won't get stopped for more than a few days. That's as certain as anything in this. At best it'll be a rapid software change.
I said that on the previous thread since nobody can afford to stop production.
But governments will be crawling all over this and it will be easier to adapt the legislation than change production. Car plants work on flow production, if you bugger about with it too much it takes ages to get the flow right again.
Yet legislative changes still be easier to take the production hit required to 'fix' the fixed engines.
that's not how it works, what are you fixing it to ? Since the current engine data is wrong you need to re-run all the tests to establish the truth before you can address the problem. Since some of the tests are based on running the motor for fixed periods of time you can't short circuit that.
I am convinced that british bookmakers will be outed in a similar way at some point regarding FOBTs
Yes - they're a licence to print money, so much so that the major bookies are rushing to open more and more high street shops to accommmodate these machines, even in locations where they are already well represented. At the very least and as a first step, the government should more severely restrict the number of machines allowed in each shop.
Is that not already the issue in some places (ie why you get multiple branches of the same bookmaker virtually next to each other).
I am not generally one for nanny-state regulation, but I do wonder if the restriction should be on FOBT's not to be more than 10% of Revenue or something... (and any above that is taxed at 100%). Haven't thought through any details at all, so almost certainly doesn't work, but I can certainly see a societal advantage to regulation of some sort.
that's not how it works, what are you fixing it to ? Since the current engine data is wrong you need to re-run all the tests to establish the truth before you can address the problem. Since some of the tests are based on running the motor for fixed periods of time you can't short circuit that.
A good point, but they have masses of experience in designing engines, they know these particular engines, and they know what to do to get it past the tests using the cheat.
It might be a big issue; I'm making an educated guess that it'll be solvable in software (as these engines are all electronically controlled nowadays) at the expense of performance.
The purpose of the deception was to lower the NO2 emissions. Will this affect to any significant degree the fuel consumption? Possibly not. That is a different metric where companies have to pass a certain average for all the cars they produce. Diesel cars became popular when the great crime was CO2 - now they realise that diesels give out NO2. Whatever the emissions - every time you slow down and go over a speed hump and move away you put up your emissions - at the very areas where these emissions are not wanted - and ruin your suspension as well.
VW are stupid - but they are in good company
Consumers won't notice the nuances. In future, car buyers will just think "Hmm, VW, aren't they the car company that lies a lot?"
Given that VW's absolute USPs were *Teutonic integrity* and *reliable engineering* this could be catastrophic. My guess is that the company will survive, albeit diminished.
The best hope for them is that others are also caught, spreading the muck.
Who'd have though there'd be a positive in us not having any British car firms any more?
we are one of Europe's largest engine manufacturers.
Yes, but someone else will carry the financial can.
are you nuts ?
if the engine plants get stopped then people lose their jobs.
Currently we have plants from Ford, GM, Toyota, Nissan, BMW, JLR, Honda. Most of them ship worldwide as engines get shared.
They won't stop though. People will not need any less cars. Any more than BP affected people needing petrol. The companies will simply lose a great deal of money.
''Jesus. Basically the entire German car industry.''
Opel are owned by GM (Amercan) and are the same as Vauxhall - which a British brand which builds cars on Merseyside. All BMW 3 and 4 cylinder engines are built in Birmingham - thats for every 3/4 cylinder BMW in the world. To date over 3.5 million engines have been built at there.
Jaguar Land Rover have just built a multimillion pound diesel engine plant in the midlands. Ford have just opened a £500 million diesel engine plant in Essex
Be careful what you all wish for.
Don't forget JCB's record-breaking engine.
Who could ever. lt does bring in all the lorry van and HGV engines. GB has a big investment in vehicle engines. As drivers this scandal is only going to make driving more expensive for us.
I am convinced that british bookmakers will be outed in a similar way at some point regarding FOBTs
When I was Thinking of becoming a UKIP candidate, I wrote to the policy makers suggesting a way to banish FOBT's would be to make any shop that had one apply for a license as an amusement arcade and withdraw the ability to take sports bets... they are a social menace
You really need to push on that - you're knowledgeable and it appears a thoroughly justifiable campaign.
Cheers, well UKIP were bang on it actually, but unfortunately, not enuff seats!
Tom Watson is banging the drum, but the govt don't seem interested
I am convinced that british bookmakers will be outed in a similar way at some point regarding FOBTs
When I was Thinking of becoming a UKIP candidate, I wrote to the policy makers suggesting a way to banish FOBT's would be to make any shop that had one apply for a license as an amusement arcade and withdraw the ability to take sports bets... they are a social menace
You really need to push on that - you're knowledgeable and it appears a thoroughly justifiable campaign.
Cheers, well UKIP were bang on it actually, but unfortunately, not enuff seats!
Tom Watson is banging the drum, but the govt don't seem interested
Don't stop. Make it a little campaign; write to MPs. Talk to Watson (I known that's a hideous thought, but never mind) or his team. Shout. Scream. Collect case histories of people who've been hurt by FOBT's. Write to newspapers. Ignore me and listen to the people on PB who actually have a clue about how to organise a campaign.
Use it as a good campaign on which to build a future political career ...
"But what does the prime minister think himself about the lurid allegations of drug taking and porcine ritual?
Well, he gave some sense of his views at a Conservative fundraising dinner at the Carlton Club last night.
He told the 300 guests that he had had to go to hospital earlier in the day for a bad back, the result of some over-energetic wood chopping in his constituency at the weekend. The surgeon told Mr Cameron that he would need an injection and asked him to lie on his front.
The doctor then said: "This will just be a little prick, just a stab in the back." Which, the prime minister said, "rather summed up my day"".
Hydrogen fuel cells emit water vapour. Water vapour makes up over 90% of so called greenhouse gases.
It's luck that nature provides and infallible way of removing excess water vapour from the atmosphere.
Rain.
''A new study from scientists at the University of Miami Rosenstiel School of Marine and Atmospheric Science and colleagues confirms rising levels of water vapor in the upper troposphere – a key amplifier of global warming – will intensify climate change impacts over the next decades. The new study is the first to show that increased water vapor concentrations in the atmosphere are a direct result of human activities. “The study is the first to confirm that human activities have increased water vapor in the upper troposphere,” said Brian Soden, professor of atmospheric sciences at the UM Rosenstiel School and co-author of the study.'' This may be all bogus science but they claim the water vapour is increasing and amplifying the effects of dreaded AGM. (from WUWT)
Hydrogen has to be produced using electricity. Then pressurised if its to be used as a liquid. Transported and stored. Safely. Why not just use the electricity in the first place.
Hydrogen fuel cells emit water vapour. Water vapour makes up over 90% of so called greenhouse gases.
It's luck that nature provides and infallible way of removing excess water vapour from the atmosphere.
Rain.
(snip)
Hydrogen has to be produced using electricity. Then pressurised if its to be used as a liquid. Transported and stored. Safely. Why not just use the electricity in the first place.
Because we are absolutely nowhere near getting the required energy density from batteries, yet alone the other problems (lifetime, recharge rate etc).
Hydrogen fuel cells emit water vapour. Water vapour makes up over 90% of so called greenhouse gases.
It's luck that nature provides and infallible way of removing excess water vapour from the atmosphere.
Rain.
(snip)
Hydrogen has to be produced using electricity. Then pressurised if its to be used as a liquid. Transported and stored. Safely. Why not just use the electricity in the first place.
Because we are absolutely nowhere near getting the required energy density from batteries, yet alone the other problems (lifetime, recharge rate etc).
if only there was a liquid store of energy that could be cheaply extracted from the ground, refined and then stored in a plastic tank in each car ....
ON topic, just heard a fairly convincing rumour that THE ICE TWINS, by cryptic Cornish authoress S K Tremayne, is...
Number One on the UK bestseller list. Number ONE.
*swoons Byronically*
I saw a bit of blurb concluding "S.K. Tremayne has two daughters". Nicely done.
Ta. Yes, I added that bit. Gives it that poignant hint of verisimilitude, I hope.
I still can't quite believe I am Number One, and I won't until I see it in writing. But the rumour is strong.
It is a huge achievement and well done (I also fwiw was hugely affected by The White Hotel so the genes are doing something right (write?), I guess).
I always marvelled, I have to say, several years ago when Oryx & Crake came out - at the time, perhaps since, a huge milestone in the literary world, first new book in a while from top author, much-anticipated event, etc and there it was in the ST best-seller list...having sold 5,148 copies!
We as a nation are hopeless (I suppose Auberon Waugh had the right idea about how to sell copies of The Literary Review...).
Hope you beat that by an order of magnitude, or two.
Hydrogen fuel cells emit water vapour. Water vapour makes up over 90% of so called greenhouse gases.
It's luck that nature provides and infallible way of removing excess water vapour from the atmosphere.
Rain.
(snip)
Hydrogen has to be produced using electricity. Then pressurised if its to be used as a liquid. Transported and stored. Safely. Why not just use the electricity in the first place.
Because we are absolutely nowhere near getting the required energy density from batteries, yet alone the other problems (lifetime, recharge rate etc).
if only there was a liquid store of energy that could be cheaply extracted from the ground, refined and then stored in a plastic tank in each car ....
And of only that liquid wasn't a finite resource! Other than that, great idea!
Hydrogen fuel cells emit water vapour. Water vapour makes up over 90% of so called greenhouse gases.
It's luck that nature provides and infallible way of removing excess water vapour from the atmosphere.
Rain.
(snip)
Hydrogen has to be produced using electricity. Then pressurised if its to be used as a liquid. Transported and stored. Safely. Why not just use the electricity in the first place.
Because we are absolutely nowhere near getting the required energy density from batteries, yet alone the other problems (lifetime, recharge rate etc).
if only there was a liquid store of energy that could be cheaply extracted from the ground, refined and then stored in a plastic tank in each car ....
Look, don't go betting the future on vapourware tech. We must rely on current tech. In the meantime, we need to decide what colour the wheel should be...
Hydrogen fuel cells emit water vapour. Water vapour makes up over 90% of so called greenhouse gases.
It's luck that nature provides and infallible way of removing excess water vapour from the atmosphere.
Rain.
(snip)
Hydrogen has to be produced using electricity. Then pressurised if its to be used as a liquid. Transported and stored. Safely. Why not just use the electricity in the first place.
Because we are absolutely nowhere near getting the required energy density from batteries, yet alone the other problems (lifetime, recharge rate etc).
lf laptop batteries are anything to go by (probably not but anyway...) then lifetimes and recharges will be an impossible problem. Petrol engined cars look like making a comeback
Hydrogen fuel cells emit water vapour. Water vapour makes up over 90% of so called greenhouse gases.
It's luck that nature provides and infallible way of removing excess water vapour from the atmosphere.
Rain.
(snip)
Hydrogen has to be produced using electricity. Then pressurised if its to be used as a liquid. Transported and stored. Safely. Why not just use the electricity in the first place.
Because we are absolutely nowhere near getting the required energy density from batteries, yet alone the other problems (lifetime, recharge rate etc).
if only there was a liquid store of energy that could be cheaply extracted from the ground, refined and then stored in a plastic tank in each car ....
And of only that liquid wasn't a finite resource! Other than that, great idea!
Depends on your definition of "finite" I suppose - and fracking is doing an excellent job of extending the finititty of hydrocarbons.
The VW story is going from a "whoops" story at the weekend to main headline scandal.
It could be "an Enron" as brand reputation goes. And I'm an Audi driver of many years' standing, so not particularly happy at the possible ramifications, financial or otherwise, for the VW-Audi Group.
Of course, being the petrolhead I am, I'd never buy a diesel, so I take some comfort from that.
How can a 62 year old drug still have rights to sell other than (potentially) branding?
I've no idea. This may be more Charles' area. Although on the face of it, it stinks.
I saw that; I can recall it being made in this country aons ago by Wellcome. Came in a strip pack for some reason. Back in the dim and distant past (around 1960)) I’m sure we were supposed to know how to synthesise it too.
The VW story is going from a "whoops" story at the weekend to main headline scandal.
It could be "an Enron" as brand reputation goes. And I'm an Audi driver of many years' standing, so not particularly happy at the possible ramifications, financial or otherwise, for the VW-Audi Group.
Of course, being the petrolhead I am, I'd never buy a diesel, so I take some comfort from that.
Sorry Bob, it's a proven fact that 99.99% of Audi drivers are ar*eholes, maybe you're the one which isn't
But yep, it's a cluster**** of epic proportions. I do drive a diesel, but it's a Nissan, and knowing now about Diesel engines over the last few years it'll be my last one.
In India, multiple combinations of this tablet are available for a price ranging from U.S. $0.05–$0.10 each (3–7 rupees).
It has been produced since 1953
On Wall Street, biotech shares fell sharply on Monday after Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton pledged to take action against firms hiking prices for specialty drugs."
I don't think he's going to make as much money out of this as he thinks he is.
The VW story is going from a "whoops" story at the weekend to main headline scandal.
It could be "an Enron" as brand reputation goes. And I'm an Audi driver of many years' standing, so not particularly happy at the possible ramifications, financial or otherwise, for the VW-Audi Group.
Of course, being the petrolhead I am, I'd never buy a diesel, so I take some comfort from that.
Autocar are reporting that it applies to one model of diesel engine. VW saying all EU6 engines are standards compliant. It's the catalysts than worry me in modern diesels. I worry that short journeys would screw them royally.
In India, multiple combinations of this tablet are available for a price ranging from U.S. $0.05–$0.10 each (3–7 rupees).
It has been produced since 1953
It’s in the current (September) BNF (the standard reference) as manufactured here by GSK and costing the NHS £13 for 30. To be fair, could well be under-priced; some of these niche drugs are, because no-one really looks at them,
Hydrogen fuel cells emit water vapour. Water vapour makes up over 90% of so called greenhouse gases.
It's luck that nature provides and infallible way of removing excess water vapour from the atmosphere.
Rain.
(snip)
Hydrogen has to be produced using electricity. Then pressurised if its to be used as a liquid. Transported and stored. Safely. Why not just use the electricity in the first place.
Because we are absolutely nowhere near getting the required energy density from batteries, yet alone the other problems (lifetime, recharge rate etc).
if only there was a liquid store of energy that could be cheaply extracted from the ground, refined and then stored in a plastic tank in each car ....
And of only that liquid wasn't a finite resource! Other than that, great idea!
Depends on your definition of "finite" I suppose - and fracking is doing an excellent job of extending the finititty of hydrocarbons.
Living off Junction 30, this is very relevant to my interests - there are NEVER workmen along the whole 18 mile stretch, and I have no idea why the whole area has to be 50 mph till God only knows when.
"But what does the prime minister think himself about the lurid allegations of drug taking and porcine ritual?
Well, he gave some sense of his views at a Conservative fundraising dinner at the Carlton Club last night.
He told the 300 guests that he had had to go to hospital earlier in the day for a bad back, the result of some over-energetic wood chopping in his constituency at the weekend. The surgeon told Mr Cameron that he would need an injection and asked him to lie on his front.
The doctor then said: "This will just be a little prick, just a stab in the back." Which, the prime minister said, "rather summed up my day"".
Hydrogen fuel cells emit water vapour. Water vapour makes up over 90% of so called greenhouse gases.
It's luck that nature provides and infallible way of removing excess water vapour from the atmosphere.
Rain.
(snip)
Hydrogen has to be produced using electricity. Then pressurised if its to be used as a liquid. Transported and stored. Safely. Why not just use the electricity in the first place.
Because we are absolutely nowhere near getting the required energy density from batteries, yet alone the other problems (lifetime, recharge rate etc).
if only there was a liquid store of energy that could be cheaply extracted from the ground, refined and then stored in a plastic tank in each car ....
And of only that liquid wasn't a finite resource! Other than that, great idea!
Depends on your definition of "finite" I suppose - and fracking is doing an excellent job of extending the finititty of hydrocarbons.
It's going to run out sooner or later!
The stone age didn't end because the world ran out of stones.
Hydrogen fuel cells emit water vapour. Water vapour makes up over 90% of so called greenhouse gases.
It's luck that nature provides and infallible way of removing excess water vapour from the atmosphere.
Rain.
(snip)
Hydrogen has to be produced using electricity. Then pressurised if its to be used as a liquid. Transported and stored. Safely. Why not just use the electricity in the first place.
Because we are absolutely nowhere near getting the required energy density from batteries, yet alone the other problems (lifetime, recharge rate etc).
if only there was a liquid store of energy that could be cheaply extracted from the ground, refined and then stored in a plastic tank in each car ....
And of only that liquid wasn't a finite resource! Other than that, great idea!
Depends on your definition of "finite" I suppose - and fracking is doing an excellent job of extending the finititty of hydrocarbons.
It's going to run out sooner or later!
The stone age didn't end because the world ran out of stones.
In India, multiple combinations of this tablet are available for a price ranging from U.S. $0.05–$0.10 each (3–7 rupees).
It has been produced since 1953
It’s in the current (September) BNF (the standard reference) as manufactured here by GSK and costing the NHS £13 for 30. To be fair, could well be under-priced; some of these niche drugs are, because no-one really looks at them,
I hope GSK don't follow suit as this prize plank. I say this from the perspective of a small shareholder (in GSK) - his actions have probably cost me a couple of quid today.
The stats are fake, of course - and debunked weeks ago.
Classy
I had a big facebook row w some idiot I am unlucky enough to know about this.. Most of the people stopped claiming because they died not vice versa
Facebook politics debates are pointless. People use it to advertise their prejudices and opinions, in the search for as much validation as possible, but not to have them challenged.
I did Hereford to Shrewsbury (Welsh Marches Line) yesterday. Quite a scenic ride!
And this morning, checked out the new concourse at Birmingham New Street - opened on Sunday, though the top floor with most of the big shops doesn't open till Thursday.
The VW story is going from a "whoops" story at the weekend to main headline scandal.
It could be "an Enron" as brand reputation goes. And I'm an Audi driver of many years' standing, so not particularly happy at the possible ramifications, financial or otherwise, for the VW-Audi Group.
Of course, being the petrolhead I am, I'd never buy a diesel, so I take some comfort from that.
Sorry Bob, it's a proven fact that 99.99% of Audi drivers are ar*eholes, maybe you're the one which isn't
But yep, it's a cluster**** of epic proportions. I do drive a diesel, but it's a Nissan, and knowing now about Diesel engines over the last few years it'll be my last one.
Problem with petrol engines is their lack of torques. No substitute for cubes I suppose, but I'm not really sure about these small turbocharged petrol units. OK if your happy to rev them, but for more relaxed driving? I'm not sure. The wife and I will have to do a few test drives.☺
Living off Junction 30, this is very relevant to my interests - there are NEVER workmen along the whole 18 mile stretch, and I have no idea why the whole area has to be 50 mph till God only knows when.
Got done for speeding a year or so ago and opted for the course. We were told that long stretches of blocking were necessary because a) the workers needed protection and b) new surfaces had to settle.
No, I didnt believe it either but I wasn’t going to risk getting thrown off the course for arguing too much.
In India, multiple combinations of this tablet are available for a price ranging from U.S. $0.05–$0.10 each (3–7 rupees).
It has been produced since 1953
It’s in the current (September) BNF (the standard reference) as manufactured here by GSK and costing the NHS £13 for 30. To be fair, could well be under-priced; some of these niche drugs are, because no-one really looks at them,
In India, multiple combinations of this tablet are available for a price ranging from U.S. $0.05–$0.10 each (3–7 rupees).
It has been produced since 1953
It’s in the current (September) BNF (the standard reference) as manufactured here by GSK and costing the NHS £13 for 30. To be fair, could well be under-priced; some of these niche drugs are, because no-one really looks at them,
I hope GSK don't follow suit as this prize plank. I say this from the perspective of a small shareholder (in GSK) - his actions have probably cost me a couple of quid today.
For the amount they probably sell I shouldn’tthink the bad publicity, especially now would be worth it.
Comments
I don't know whether you've seen this from the stupid-patents dept:
http://venturebeat.com/2015/03/17/apple-patents-fuel-cell-power-source-for-phones-laptops/
Or this:
http://www.gizmag.com/usb-charger-butane-fuel-cell-nectar-lilliputian-systems-brookstone/28281/
is someone taking the Seiche ?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/road-and-rail-transport/11881954/Volkswagen-emissions-scandal-Which-other-cars-fail-to-meet-pollution-safety-limits.html
Names VW, Audi, BMW, Opel and Citroen as major culprits. 4 Germans and a French.''
''Jesus. Basically the entire German car industry.''
Opel are owned by GM (Amercan) and are the same as Vauxhall - which a British brand which builds cars on Merseyside.
All BMW 3 and 4 cylinder engines are built in Birmingham - thats for every 3/4 cylinder BMW in the world. To date over 3.5 million engines have been built at there.
Jaguar Land Rover have just built a multimillion pound diesel engine plant in the midlands.
Ford have just opened a £500 million diesel engine plant in Essex
Be careful what you all wish for.
Probably the solution will be a fuel cell with a large battery to cope with power surges and - so you need both technologies.
if the engine plants get stopped then people lose their jobs.
Currently we have plants from Ford, GM, Toyota, Nissan, BMW, JLR, Honda. Most of them ship worldwide as engines get shared.
Where you may have a point is that there are many companies developing battery tech, so one or other may hit on the solution (either alone or in combination), whilst the fuel-cell problem might need much more expensive big-bang research.
But governments will be crawling all over this and it will be easier to adapt the legislation than change production. Car plants work on flow production, if you bugger about with it too much it takes ages to get the flow right again.
On the one hand, Maltravers & Co. were ordered to kill Edward II by a method that would appear like death by natural causes; on the other, Edward's screams were supposedly so loud that people could hear them in the town of Berkeley, and knelt in the snow to pray for him.
Modern doctors think that it's unlikely that insertion of a red hot poker in the rectum would immediately kill the victim, but rather, he'd die of peritonitis.
Moan a minute. Never satisfied!
No one's been jailed you say. So we find someone & now you want more?
/removes tongue from cheek
Hydrogen does not come naturally - it has to be produced and in producing it there are carbon emissions. Natural gas coal and LPG are used to produce hydrogen.
At the very least and as a first step, the government should more severely restrict the number of machines allowed in each shop.
The Honda Clarity was in production for 8 years, with a 0-60 time of 10 seconds.
Unfortunately, it looks like Honda have canned it due to the low sales numbers. And those sales numbers are due to the lack of Hydrgen filling stations and little else. Of course this is a problem.
But the actual motive technology is not a problem, it's been solved and it works.
would that be a pig's cheek ?
( you did go to Oxford after all ) :-)
Rain.
I am not generally one for nanny-state regulation, but I do wonder if the restriction should be on FOBT's not to be more than 10% of Revenue or something... (and any above that is taxed at 100%). Haven't thought through any details at all, so almost certainly doesn't work, but I can certainly see a societal advantage to regulation of some sort.
It might be a big issue; I'm making an educated guess that it'll be solvable in software (as these engines are all electronically controlled nowadays) at the expense of performance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velleity
The marketer Matt Bailey described it as "a desire to see something done, but not enough desire to make it happen"
Tom Watson is banging the drum, but the govt don't seem interested
Use it as a good campaign on which to build a future political career ...
https://twitter.com/SocialistChris/status/645549438002405376?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
The stats implication is fake, of course - and debunked weeks ago.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34328067
Quite funny.
"But what does the prime minister think himself about the lurid allegations of drug taking and porcine ritual?
Well, he gave some sense of his views at a Conservative fundraising dinner at the Carlton Club last night.
He told the 300 guests that he had had to go to hospital earlier in the day for a bad back, the result of some over-energetic wood chopping in his constituency at the weekend.
The surgeon told Mr Cameron that he would need an injection and asked him to lie on his front.
The doctor then said: "This will just be a little prick, just a stab in the back."
Which, the prime minister said, "rather summed up my day"".
“The study is the first to confirm that human activities have increased water vapor in the upper troposphere,” said Brian Soden, professor of atmospheric sciences at the UM Rosenstiel School and co-author of the study.''
This may be all bogus science but they claim the water vapour is increasing and amplifying the effects of dreaded AGM.
(from WUWT)
Hydrogen has to be produced using electricity. Then pressurised if its to be used as a liquid. Transported and stored. Safely.
Why not just use the electricity in the first place.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34320413
I always marvelled, I have to say, several years ago when Oryx & Crake came out - at the time, perhaps since, a huge milestone in the literary world, first new book in a while from top author, much-anticipated event, etc and there it was in the ST best-seller list...having sold 5,148 copies!
We as a nation are hopeless (I suppose Auberon Waugh had the right idea about how to sell copies of The Literary Review...).
Hope you beat that by an order of magnitude, or two.
Hydrogen produced via electrolysis of water using electricity produced by an on-site wind turbine. So carbon free.
If you produce the hydrogen from fossil fuel with CO2 capture it will also be a low carbon fuel.
BTW, the hydrogen is stored on the vehicles as a pressurised gas (at either 350 or 700 bar), not as a liquid.
Petrol engined cars look like making a comeback
How can a 62 year old drug still have rights to sell other than (potentially) branding?
But VW are in trouble: their brand name is a byword for trust, reliability, integrity and quality. You simply can't put a price on that.
The salesman himself told me at the weekend that the cars half-sell themselves. Will that continue to be the case going forwards?
It could be "an Enron" as brand reputation goes. And I'm an Audi driver of many years' standing, so not particularly happy at the possible ramifications, financial or otherwise, for the VW-Audi Group.
Of course, being the petrolhead I am, I'd never buy a diesel, so I take some comfort from that.
But yep, it's a cluster**** of epic proportions. I do drive a diesel, but it's a Nissan, and knowing now about Diesel engines over the last few years it'll be my last one.
In India, multiple combinations of this tablet are available for a price ranging from U.S. $0.05–$0.10 each (3–7 rupees).
It has been produced since 1953
On Wall Street, biotech shares fell sharply on Monday after Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton pledged to take action against firms hiking prices for specialty drugs."
I don't think he's going to make as much money out of this as he thinks he is.
Living off Junction 30, this is very relevant to my interests - there are NEVER workmen along the whole 18 mile stretch, and I have no idea why the whole area has to be 50 mph till God only knows when.
I did Hereford to Shrewsbury (Welsh Marches Line) yesterday. Quite a scenic ride!
And this morning, checked out the new concourse at Birmingham New Street - opened on Sunday, though the top floor with most of the big shops doesn't open till Thursday.
No, I didnt believe it either but I wasn’t going to risk getting thrown off the course for arguing too much.
Brave Sir LA will be front and centre to front the defence !*
* from his twitter account.