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    JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    edited September 2015
    rcs1000 said:

    hunchman said:

    rcs1000 said:
    Thanks Robert. A lot of good stuff in that document. The main problem is that demographics and their impact are completely ignored. On that score alone the outcome that the paper describes is impossible in my humble opinion. The points on government debt are arguable but investors are not rational beings. Its just time, well 9 days away, for the start of the sovereign debt crisis based on martin armstrong and his economic confidence model. What seems affordable now at rock bottom interest rates now rapidly changes once expectations of rising rates are baked into the cake.
    I have a whole different paper on demographics I'm working on, which I'll share with you at some other point.

    Can we have a gentleman's wage on the coming sovereign debt crisis? I think it'll affect commodity exporters, like Venezuela, Ecaudor, Brazil, Russia, Chile, Argentina, Nigeria, etc. You think it'll hammer the developed countries.

    But there is a feedback loop in place. Falling commodity prices directly add to developed countries GDP (lower prices means higher net exports), increasing growth rates, and making debt service ratios less onerous.
    "Falling commodity prices directly add to developed countries GDP (lower prices means higher net exports)"

    That's incorrect because the falling commodity prices also reduce final consumption in the GDP equation by the same amount.
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    jayfdeejayfdee Posts: 618

    jayfdee said:

    I saw earlier some debates on electric cars vs fuel cell

    The fact is that fuel cell cars *are* electric cars. Just with a interesting type of primary battery.

    In fact, in order to improve efficiency (re-generative braking), smooth the start up and shutdown of the fuel cells (which hate to be turned on and off), you will end up with a substantial battery in fuel cell cars - to act as an energy buffer.

    Li-ion batteries are improving in terms of cost/performance by 6-8% per year, compound

    The reason that both electric and fuel cell cars are possible is that the drive train is fundamentally much more efficient - you can get 90% of the energy out of a battery to the wheels, while getting 35% of the energy in petrol to the wheels is quite an achievement. Quite simply - neither needs to get the energy density of petrol to deliver the same performance.

    Had a ride in a

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Model_S

    not long ago - 250 miles of usable range, 30 minutes charging time off a Supercharger and performance that is terrifying. 3.5 seconds to 60....

    OK energy from the battery to the wheels is quite efficient, but what about generation efficiency at the power station, transmission losses,charging losses etc. It is possible to argue both ways about the overall efficiency, they are about equal,but emissions are relocated. The real reason to buy EV is because there is no excise duty on the electricity used.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life-cycle_assessment#Well-to-wheel

    not a bad run through here -

    https://matter2energy.wordpress.com/2013/02/22/wells-to-wheels-electric-car-efficiency/

    Electric cars generally come out ahead....
    As I say you can argue it both ways,choose a coal fired station, and it is worse than burning fossil fuel direct in your car, choose wind power and it is better, my point was that that the tax regime, ie no excise duty on electricity on EV distorts the view on efficiency.
    I do actually drive an EV, only because it is cheaper to run partially to the tax regime, but also wow it is so much better in terms of torque,noise, and being automatic.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,211
    JEO said:

    rcs1000 said:

    hunchman said:

    rcs1000 said:
    Thanks Robert. A lot of good stuff in that document. The main problem is that demographics and their impact are completely ignored. On that score alone the outcome that the paper describes is impossible in my humble opinion. The points on government debt are arguable but investors are not rational beings. Its just time, well 9 days away, for the start of the sovereign debt crisis based on martin armstrong and his economic confidence model. What seems affordable now at rock bottom interest rates now rapidly changes once expectations of rising rates are baked into the cake.
    I have a whole different paper on demographics I'm working on, which I'll share with you at some other point.

    Can we have a gentleman's wage on the coming sovereign debt crisis? I think it'll affect commodity exporters, like Venezuela, Ecaudor, Brazil, Russia, Chile, Argentina, Nigeria, etc. You think it'll hammer the developed countries.

    But there is a feedback loop in place. Falling commodity prices directly add to developed countries GDP (lower prices means higher net exports), increasing growth rates, and making debt service ratios less onerous.
    "Falling commodity prices directly add to developed countries GDP (lower prices means higher net exports)"

    That's incorrect because the falling commodity prices also reduce final consumption in the GDP equation by the same amount.
    Only if the money is saved and not spent.

    And every time that oil prices have fallen by 50% or more, it has heralded periods of higher growth (1982-1983, 1985-1986, 1992-1993, 1997-1998, and 2001-2002).

    In fact, you can look at the last five decades as falling into periods when commodity exporters were in the ascendent (the 1970s, the 2000-2013 period) and the opposite (the 1960s, the 1980s and 1990s, and now). During the former periods, you saw rapid growth in LatAm, the Middle East, Canada, Australia. And during the former periods, you saw rapid growth in commodity importing countries.

    Think of it another way: when commodity prices are high, a proportion of economic output from importers must be sent to commodity exporters.

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    SeanT said:

    I AM NUMBER ONE

    congrats :lol:
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,211
    @JEO: I touch on the impact of lower commodity prices on growth in this piece here: http://www.thstailwinds.com/what-does-a-slowdown-in-china-mean-for-the-world/
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,497
    SeanT said:

    I AM NUMBER ONE

    Well done. We all now know someone famous. How will we cope?
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,211
    The real question is: could SeanT have made it to number one without the nurturing of politicalbetting.com?
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,497
    rcs1000 said:

    JEO said:

    rcs1000 said:

    hunchman said:
    I have a whole different paper on demographics I'm working on, which I'll share with you at some other point.

    Can we have a gentleman's wage on the coming sovereign debt crisis? I think it'll affect commodity exporters, like Venezuela, Ecaudor, Brazil, Russia, Chile, Argentina, Nigeria, etc. You think it'll hammer the developed countries.

    But there is a feedback loop in place. Falling commodity prices directly add to developed countries GDP (lower prices means higher net exports), increasing growth rates, and making debt service ratios less onerous.
    "Falling commodity prices directly add to developed countries GDP (lower prices means higher net exports)"

    That's incorrect because the falling commodity prices also reduce final consumption in the GDP equation by the same amount.
    Only if the money is saved and not spent.

    And every time that oil prices have fallen by 50% or more, it has heralded periods of higher growth (1982-1983, 1985-1986, 1992-1993, 1997-1998, and 2001-2002).

    In fact, you can look at the last five decades as falling into periods when commodity exporters were in the ascendent (the 1970s, the 2000-2013 period) and the opposite (the 1960s, the 1980s and 1990s, and now). During the former periods, you saw rapid growth in LatAm, the Middle East, Canada, Australia. And during the former periods, you saw rapid growth in commodity importing countries.

    Think of it another way: when commodity prices are high, a proportion of economic output from importers must be sent to commodity exporters.

    So both you and Hunchman are convinced that we are about to have a sovereign debt crisis, you simply disagree about which set of countries are going to get hit hardest?

    Interesting.

    Whilst I generally agree with you that lower commodity prices help developed countries the EZ is in no state to handle a crisis. After today even Germany is not looking that clever (and they have rather more exposure than most to capital goods exports to the commodity producing countries too).

    Osborne may have to start earning his corn again. He has had it rather too easy of late.
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    So the Limp Debs ..with their 8 MPs.. would do what exactly..

    They can combine with labour in the House of Lords to amend, alter or prevent government legislation. The Salisbury convention allows government legislation laid out in their manifesto to be approved without the same opposition. The Lib Dems being undemocratic - what a waste of space they are
    After GE2005 when LAB won a majority with 35.2% of national vote the LDs in the Lords said they wouldn't follow Salisbury. The precedent has been set.

    The Tories won 36.9% of the national vote on May 7th.

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    hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    edited September 2015
    rcs1000 said:

    hunchman said:

    rcs1000 said:
    Thanks Robert. A lot of good stuff in that document. The main problem is that demographics and their impact are completely ignored. On that score alone the outcome that the paper describes is impossible in my humble opinion. The points on government debt are arguable but investors are not rational beings. Its just time, well 9 days away, for the start of the sovereign debt crisis based on martin armstrong and his economic confidence model. What seems affordable now at rock bottom interest rates now rapidly changes once expectations of rising rates are baked into the cake.
    I have a whole different paper on demographics I'm working on, which I'll share with you at some other point.

    Can we have a gentleman's wage on the coming sovereign debt crisis? I think it'll affect commodity exporters, like Venezuela, Ecaudor, Brazil, Russia, Chile, Argentina, Nigeria, etc. You think it'll hammer the developed countries.

    But there is a feedback loop in place. Falling commodity prices directly add to developed countries GDP (lower prices means higher net exports), increasing growth rates, and making debt service ratios less onerous.
    It's already impacting on emerging markets. The $9trn extended in debt to them since 2008 is going to have to be repaid in stronger USD and I expect a lot to be defaulted on in one way or another. The point about commodity prices and developed economies is rather putting the cart before the horse. The weakness in commodity prices reflects the weakness of the developed world's economies and much misplaced capital investment off the peak in commodities over the past 10 years. I have a friend who has invested in oil related stocks who just cannot get her head around the fact that oil won't be going anywhere near the $147 June 2008 high anytime soon. Infact the long term support of $12 or $13 requires testing first.

    As for the sovereign debt crisis it will I think begin with Greece defaulting first, then role through the rest of the eurozone periphery with emerging market countries defaulting really on. I then see it rippling out to the wider eurozone and ourselves then Japan. The US will definitely be the last one standing in late 2017 if the cycles I have are correct. Every global economic collapse in history whether you look at Rome, the Chinese dynasties, Byzantine, Venice etc starts from the outside and works its way to the core. I'm not betting on this one being any different. Which is why I'm advocating the US as the best place for capital to park for now in their stockmarket.
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    SeanT said:

    I AM NUMBER ONE


    I'm only 2/3 through it - don't seem to get much reading time.

    Hope it's worth the effort...

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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,497
    rcs1000 said:

    @JEO: I touch on the impact of lower commodity prices on growth in this piece here: http://www.thstailwinds.com/what-does-a-slowdown-in-china-mean-for-the-world/

    How do we get rid of your disclaimer?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,087
    DavidL said:

    SeanT said:

    I AM NUMBER ONE

    Well done. We all now know someone famous. How will we cope?
    Not just know - many of us have now been insulted by someone famous, which I think we can all agree is much more significant.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    The best books are often those where it takes quite a while to get into them and it can take a while to reach the halfway mark, but then the second half is read in one sitting. That was what happened with The Ice Twins with me.
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    SeanT said:

    I AM NUMBER ONE


    I'm only 2/3 through it - don't seem to get much reading time.

    Hope it's worth the effort...

    Wait until you get to the bit with the aliens and the unclear explosion on the island ...
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,214

    HYUFD said:

    hunchman said:

    HYUFD said:

    PPP Iowa

    GOP

    Trump 24% (19%)
    Carson 17% (12%)
    Fiorina 13% (10%)
    Cruz 8% (9%)
    Rubio 8% (6%)
    Bush 6% (11%)
    Huckabee 6% (6%)
    Walker 5% (12%)
    Jindal 4% (2%)
    Paul 4% (3%)
    Kasich 2% (3%)
    Christie 1% (1%)
    Santorum 1% (2%)
    Gilmore 0% (0%)
    Graham 0% (0%)
    Pataki 0% (0%)

    Democrats

    Clinton 43%
    Sanders 22%
    Biden 17%
    O'Malley 3%
    Webb 3%
    Chafee 2%

    http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/09/trump-still-leads-iowa-clinton-in-good-shape.html

    Pleasing to see Jeb Bush going backwards despite the GOP establishment and that odious man Boehner backing him. Well they're losing control and thank goodness too. Enjoyed listening to a trump speech where he laid into Obama on climate change. That was great to see!
    Trump remains the man to beat at the moment
    Trump will never be POTUS, thank goodness.

    HYUFD said:

    hunchman said:

    HYUFD said:

    PPP Iowa

    GOP

    Trump 24% (19%)
    Carson 17% (12%)
    Fiorina 13% (10%)
    Cruz 8% (9%)
    Rubio 8% (6%)
    Bush 6% (11%)
    Huckabee 6% (6%)
    Walker 5% (12%)
    Jindal 4% (2%)
    Paul 4% (3%)
    Kasich 2% (3%)
    Christie 1% (1%)
    Santorum 1% (2%)
    Gilmore 0% (0%)
    Graham 0% (0%)
    Pataki 0% (0%)

    Democrats

    Clinton 43%
    Sanders 22%
    Biden 17%
    O'Malley 3%
    Webb 3%
    Chafee 2%

    http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/09/trump-still-leads-iowa-clinton-in-good-shape.html

    Pleasing to see Jeb Bush going backwards despite the GOP establishment and that odious man Boehner backing him. Well they're losing control and thank goodness too. Enjoyed listening to a trump speech where he laid into Obama on climate change. That was great to see!
    Trump remains the man to beat at the moment
    Trump will never be POTUS, thank goodness.
    Well stranger things have happened, but he is still motoring towards the nomination
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,251
    SeanT said:

    I AM NUMBER ONE

    Congratulations.

    I don't generally read much fiction but I will make an exception for you!!

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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,211
    hunchman said:


    As for the sovereign debt crisis it will I think begin with Greece defaulting first, then role through the rest of the eurozone periphery with emerging market countries defaulting really on. I then see it rippling out to the wider eurozone and ourselves then Japan. The US will definitely be the last one standing in late 2017 if the cycles I have are correct. Every global economic collapse in history whether you look at Rome, the Chinese dynasties, Byzantine, Venice etc starts from the outside and works its way to the core. I'm not betting on this one being any different. Which is why I'm advocating the US as the best place for capital to park for now in their stockmarket.

    Do you have a Greek debt service schedule? If my memory serves, it is almost impossible for them to default until April 2016 (in that it's just local debt roll-overs and modest interest payments until then). In all likelihood, we'll see the interest holiday on EFSF debt (what, two thirds of the total?) implemented by mid next year, which makes a near-term Greek default impossible without a deliberate political decision to do so. And I just don't see Tsipras going down that route.

    It's also worth remembering that the big current account countries from 2012, 2013 and even 2014 - which are mostly resource exporters - will be running current account deficits. And will therefore need to liquidate US dollar assets to pay their bills. I suspect this will weigh somewhat on the dollar.

    As an aside, you might also enjoy this piece I put out today on "What is the True Level of US Unemployment": http://www.thstailwinds.com/what-is-the-true-level-of-us-unemployment/
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,211
    Cyclefree said:

    SeanT said:

    I AM NUMBER ONE

    Congratulations.

    I don't generally read much fiction but I will make an exception for you!!

    Wait: I thought you worked for an investment bank?
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,211
    DavidL said:

    rcs1000 said:

    @JEO: I touch on the impact of lower commodity prices on growth in this piece here: http://www.thstailwinds.com/what-does-a-slowdown-in-china-mean-for-the-world/

    How do we get rid of your disclaimer?
    Click on "I agree"...
    Or try a different browser...

    And let me shoot the responsible person at work :-)
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    Cyclefree said:

    SeanT said:

    I AM NUMBER ONE

    Congratulations.

    I don't generally read much fiction but I will make an exception for you!!

    *Wonders if SeanT got to #1 just from people on PB*
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,211
    DavidL said:

    rcs1000 said:

    JEO said:

    rcs1000 said:

    hunchman said:
    I have a whole different paper on demographics I'm working on, which I'll share with you at some other point.

    Can we have a gentleman's wage on the coming sovereign debt crisis? I think it'll affect commodity exporters, like Venezuela, Ecaudor, Brazil, Russia, Chile, Argentina, Nigeria, etc. You think it'll hammer the developed countries.

    But there is a feedback loop in place. Falling commodity prices directly add to developed countries GDP (lower prices means higher net exports), increasing growth rates, and making debt service ratios less onerous.
    "Falling commodity prices directly add to developed countries GDP (lower prices means higher net exports)"

    That's incorrect because the falling commodity prices also reduce final consumption in the GDP equation by the same amount.
    Only if the money is saved and not spent.

    And every time that oil prices have fallen by 50% or more, it has heralded periods of higher growth (1982-1983, 1985-1986, 1992-1993, 1997-1998, and 2001-2002).

    In fact, you can look at the last five decades as falling into periods when commodity exporters were in the ascendent (the 1970s, the 2000-2013 period) and the opposite (the 1960s, the 1980s and 1990s, and now). During the former periods, you saw rapid growth in LatAm, the Middle East, Canada, Australia. And during the former periods, you saw rapid growth in commodity importing countries.

    Think of it another way: when commodity prices are high, a proportion of economic output from importers must be sent to commodity exporters.

    So both you and Hunchman are convinced that we are about to have a sovereign debt crisis, you simply disagree about which set of countries are going to get hit hardest?

    Interesting.

    Whilst I generally agree with you that lower commodity prices help developed countries the EZ is in no state to handle a crisis. After today even Germany is not looking that clever (and they have rather more exposure than most to capital goods exports to the commodity producing countries too).

    Osborne may have to start earning his corn again. He has had it rather too easy of late.
    During the last serious commodity downcycle (aka, the 1980s), pretty much every single commodity exporting country (except Chile) defaulted on its debts, most multiple times.

    Re the Eurozone: it's worth noting that M1 growth has gone through the roof, and that is the best predictor of near term economic momentum out there. See: http://www.thstailwinds.com/eurozone-recovery/
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,118
    Totally O/t, but the BBC is reporting that, due to Govt restrictions, the University of Central Lancs is admitting NO EU or UK students to it's degree course in medicine.

    If we're short of GP's ........
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,211

    Totally O/t, but the BBC is reporting that, due to Govt restrictions, the University of Central Lancs is admitting NO EU or UK students to it's degree course in medicine.

    If we're short of GP's ........

    Colour me slightly surprised that the University of Central Lancs has a medicine course...
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    Bob__SykesBob__Sykes Posts: 1,176
    I see Sky Movies is showing Deliverance tonight.

    "Squeal like a piggy" - great timing! :-)
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    FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,070
    SeanT said:

    I AM NUMBER ONE

    I've never doubted your ability to write fiction.
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,251
    edited September 2015

    Totally O/t, but the BBC is reporting that, due to Govt restrictions, the University of Central Lancs is admitting NO EU or UK students to it's degree course in medicine.

    If we're short of GP's ........

    What Govt restrictions? And how can it have a degree course if it has no students?
    rcs1000 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    SeanT said:

    I AM NUMBER ONE

    Congratulations.

    I don't generally read much fiction but I will make an exception for you!!

    Wait: I thought you worked for an investment bank?
    Very funny! OK - I will caveat (lawyers, eh!). I don't read it in my spare time. Don't have much spare time for one thing.

    (Don't think I've ever said where I work.....)

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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,118
    Cyclefree said:

    Totally O/t, but the BBC is reporting that, due to Govt restrictions, the University of Central Lancs is admitting NO EU or UK students to it's degree course in medicine.

    If we're short of GP's ........

    What Govt restrictions? And how can it have a degree course if it has no students?
    rcs1000 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    SeanT said:

    I AM NUMBER ONE

    Congratulations.

    I don't generally read much fiction but I will make an exception for you!!

    Wait: I thought you worked for an investment bank?
    Very funny! OK - I will caveat (lawyers, eh!). I don't read it in my spare time. Don't have much spare time for one thing.

    (Don't think I've ever said where I work.....)

    It's recruiting students from non-EU countries. Got 30+ apparently or this year.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,497
    rcs1000 said:

    DavidL said:

    rcs1000 said:

    @JEO: I touch on the impact of lower commodity prices on growth in this piece here: http://www.thstailwinds.com/what-does-a-slowdown-in-china-mean-for-the-world/

    How do we get rid of your disclaimer?
    Click on "I agree"...
    Or try a different browser...

    And let me shoot the responsible person at work :-)
    Thanks, got it now. The page had opened at 105% which meant that the agree button was not on the screen originally.

    If this was a test to stop really stupid people from reading your articles it nearly worked!
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    So the Limp Debs ..with their 8 MPs.. would do what exactly..

    They can combine with labour in the House of Lords to amend, alter or prevent government legislation. The Salisbury convention allows government legislation laid out in their manifesto to be approved without the same opposition. The Lib Dems being undemocratic - what a waste of space they are
    After GE2005 when LAB won a majority with 35.2% of national vote the LDs in the Lords said they wouldn't follow Salisbury. The precedent has been set.

    The Tories won 36.9% of the national vote on May 7th.

    So more.

    If Labour opt to destroy Salisbury then they'll be shooting themselves in the foot too when they get back in power next - and for what? Parliament Act can enforce Salisbury so it's only a delaying tactic.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,211
    Cyclefree said:

    Totally O/t, but the BBC is reporting that, due to Govt restrictions, the University of Central Lancs is admitting NO EU or UK students to it's degree course in medicine.

    If we're short of GP's ........

    What Govt restrictions? And how can it have a degree course if it has no students?
    rcs1000 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    SeanT said:

    I AM NUMBER ONE

    Congratulations.

    I don't generally read much fiction but I will make an exception for you!!

    Wait: I thought you worked for an investment bank?
    Very funny! OK - I will caveat (lawyers, eh!). I don't read it in my spare time. Don't have much spare time for one thing.

    (Don't think I've ever said where I work.....)

    I think you, Charles and MaxPB have all admitted to working for investment banks in the past.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,087

    Totally O/t, but the BBC is reporting that, due to Govt restrictions, the University of Central Lancs is admitting NO EU or UK students to it's degree course in medicine.

    If we're short of GP's ........

    Curious, I've been getting ads for the University of Central Lancashire on gaming website all week.
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,291
    Telegraph implying that VW's petrol figures might not be quite what they claimed to be.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,118
    edited September 2015
    rcs1000 said:

    Totally O/t, but the BBC is reporting that, due to Govt restrictions, the University of Central Lancs is admitting NO EU or UK students to it's degree course in medicine.

    If we're short of GP's ........

    Colour me slightly surprised that the University of Central Lancs has a medicine course...

    I was too. I knew it had started to offer pharmacy, where we have more than enough graduates, but not medicine. Worringly, at the last count only 68% of it's pharmacy graduates made it through the registration exam and are able to actually practice.
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    I really want to go to bed but I want to see what's on the front page of the Mail.

    Gerronwithit
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    Cyclefree said:

    Totally O/t, but the BBC is reporting that, due to Govt restrictions, the University of Central Lancs is admitting NO EU or UK students to it's degree course in medicine.

    If we're short of GP's ........

    What Govt restrictions?
    There's a cap on uni places for medicine as there's a cap on fees and a medicine degree costs a lot more than the fees. So the NHS calculates how many students it needs and funds the difference and allocates those numbers to various universities accordingly.

    UCLAN's course isn't funded as it isn't part of the numbers the NHS has said it wants - so the uni is instead getting non-EU students as they're self-funding.
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    Wasn’t there someone in either myth or history, association with whom was generally ruinous? Not Cassandra, since Oakeshott appears to prophesy success!

    Incidentally, I think the question about “others” is a good one. , Every Freemason, for example, has followed a prescribed path, and all these ‘secret societies” don’t change their initiation processes.

    Neither of those points are true. Freemasonry initiations vary considerably between Grand Lodges and Constitutions. And as to changes - one society I joined had the initiation ceremony created anew each time by the previous initiate. Which meant that each entrant ended up doing something more outrageous than the previous one. After what I endured 15 years ago and what I invented for the following bloke the mind boggles as to what they must do these days.
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    FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,070
    rcs1000 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Totally O/t, but the BBC is reporting that, due to Govt restrictions, the University of Central Lancs is admitting NO EU or UK students to it's degree course in medicine.

    If we're short of GP's ........

    What Govt restrictions? And how can it have a degree course if it has no students?
    rcs1000 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    SeanT said:

    I AM NUMBER ONE

    Congratulations.

    I don't generally read much fiction but I will make an exception for you!!

    Wait: I thought you worked for an investment bank?
    Very funny! OK - I will caveat (lawyers, eh!). I don't read it in my spare time. Don't have much spare time for one thing.

    (Don't think I've ever said where I work.....)

    I think you, Charles and MaxPB have all admitted to working for investment banks in the past.
    pb Tories working for investment banks? I assumed they were all cottage entrepreneurs.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,211
    GeoffM said:

    Wasn’t there someone in either myth or history, association with whom was generally ruinous? Not Cassandra, since Oakeshott appears to prophesy success!

    Incidentally, I think the question about “others” is a good one. , Every Freemason, for example, has followed a prescribed path, and all these ‘secret societies” don’t change their initiation processes.

    Neither of those points are true. Freemasonry initiations vary considerably between Grand Lodges and Constitutions. And as to changes - one society I joined had the initiation ceremony created anew each time by the previous initiate. Which meant that each entrant ended up doing something more outrageous than the previous one. After what I endured 15 years ago and what I invented for the following bloke the mind boggles as to what they must do these days.
    I believe they've swapped the dead pig for a live MP.

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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,211

    rcs1000 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Totally O/t, but the BBC is reporting that, due to Govt restrictions, the University of Central Lancs is admitting NO EU or UK students to it's degree course in medicine.

    If we're short of GP's ........

    What Govt restrictions? And how can it have a degree course if it has no students?
    rcs1000 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    SeanT said:

    I AM NUMBER ONE

    Congratulations.

    I don't generally read much fiction but I will make an exception for you!!

    Wait: I thought you worked for an investment bank?
    Very funny! OK - I will caveat (lawyers, eh!). I don't read it in my spare time. Don't have much spare time for one thing.

    (Don't think I've ever said where I work.....)

    I think you, Charles and MaxPB have all admitted to working for investment banks in the past.
    pb Tories working for investment banks? I assumed they were all cottage entrepreneurs.
    I'm fairly sure Cyclefree didn't vote Conservative, and I don't think either MaxPB or Charles are typical "pb Tories"
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,214
    Ruth Davidson commits Scottish Tories to campaign for In when the EU referendum is called
    “I believe – and campaigned for – Scotland to stay part of a wider Union. And I believe Britain should stay part of a wider Union, too.”
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2015/09/ruth-davidson-backs-eu-membership-which-should-worry-brexit-supporters-for-two-reasons.html
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,251
    rcs1000 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Totally O/t, but the BBC is reporting that, due to Govt restrictions, the University of Central Lancs is admitting NO EU or UK students to it's degree course in medicine.

    If we're short of GP's ........

    What Govt restrictions? And how can it have a degree course if it has no students?
    rcs1000 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    SeanT said:

    I AM NUMBER ONE

    Congratulations.

    I don't generally read much fiction but I will make an exception for you!!

    Wait: I thought you worked for an investment bank?
    Very funny! OK - I will caveat (lawyers, eh!). I don't read it in my spare time. Don't have much spare time for one thing.

    (Don't think I've ever said where I work.....)

    I think you, Charles and MaxPB have all admitted to working for investment banks in the past.
    Well now, I have worked in lots of places including government but have tried to be studiedly vague about exactly where I am now, for obvious reasons. The City is quite detailed enough.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,211
    HYUFD said:

    Ruth Davidson commits Scottish Tories to campaign for In when the EU referendum is called
    “I believe – and campaigned for – Scotland to stay part of a wider Union. And I believe Britain should stay part of a wider Union, too.”
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2015/09/ruth-davidson-backs-eu-membership-which-should-worry-brexit-supporters-for-two-reasons.html

    Someone that no-one listens to has said something unmemorable that nobody heard.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,497
    rcs1000 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Totally O/t, but the BBC is reporting that, due to Govt restrictions, the University of Central Lancs is admitting NO EU or UK students to it's degree course in medicine.

    If we're short of GP's ........

    What Govt restrictions? And how can it have a degree course if it has no students?
    rcs1000 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    SeanT said:

    I AM NUMBER ONE

    Congratulations.

    I don't generally read much fiction but I will make an exception for you!!

    Wait: I thought you worked for an investment bank?
    Very funny! OK - I will caveat (lawyers, eh!). I don't read it in my spare time. Don't have much spare time for one thing.

    (Don't think I've ever said where I work.....)

    I think you, Charles and MaxPB have all admitted to working for investment banks in the past.
    I thought MaxPB worked for Sony or at least a Games company.
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,251

    Cyclefree said:

    Totally O/t, but the BBC is reporting that, due to Govt restrictions, the University of Central Lancs is admitting NO EU or UK students to it's degree course in medicine.

    If we're short of GP's ........

    What Govt restrictions?
    There's a cap on uni places for medicine as there's a cap on fees and a medicine degree costs a lot more than the fees. So the NHS calculates how many students it needs and funds the difference and allocates those numbers to various universities accordingly.

    UCLAN's course isn't funded as it isn't part of the numbers the NHS has said it wants - so the uni is instead getting non-EU students as they're self-funding.
    Thank you.

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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,211
    DavidL said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Totally O/t, but the BBC is reporting that, due to Govt restrictions, the University of Central Lancs is admitting NO EU or UK students to it's degree course in medicine.

    If we're short of GP's ........

    What Govt restrictions? And how can it have a degree course if it has no students?
    rcs1000 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    SeanT said:

    I AM NUMBER ONE

    Congratulations.

    I don't generally read much fiction but I will make an exception for you!!

    Wait: I thought you worked for an investment bank?
    Very funny! OK - I will caveat (lawyers, eh!). I don't read it in my spare time. Don't have much spare time for one thing.

    (Don't think I've ever said where I work.....)

    I think you, Charles and MaxPB have all admitted to working for investment banks in the past.
    I thought MaxPB worked for Sony or at least a Games company.
    He may have done so in the past, but I think he works for an investment bank now.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,211

    Cyclefree said:

    Totally O/t, but the BBC is reporting that, due to Govt restrictions, the University of Central Lancs is admitting NO EU or UK students to it's degree course in medicine.

    If we're short of GP's ........

    What Govt restrictions?
    There's a cap on uni places for medicine as there's a cap on fees and a medicine degree costs a lot more than the fees. So the NHS calculates how many students it needs and funds the difference and allocates those numbers to various universities accordingly.

    UCLAN's course isn't funded as it isn't part of the numbers the NHS has said it wants - so the uni is instead getting non-EU students as they're self-funding.
    I didn't know that; thanks.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,214
    'Ginger extremist' found guilty of attempting to kill Prince Charles and Prince William to make Harry King
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3244924/Ginger-extremist-GUILTY-plot-shoot-Prince-Charles-William-Harry-king-Aryan-people.html
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Cyclefree said:

    Totally O/t, but the BBC is reporting that, due to Govt restrictions, the University of Central Lancs is admitting NO EU or UK students to it's degree course in medicine.

    If we're short of GP's ........

    What Govt restrictions?
    There's a cap on uni places for medicine as there's a cap on fees and a medicine degree costs a lot more than the fees. So the NHS calculates how many students it needs and funds the difference and allocates those numbers to various universities accordingly.

    UCLAN's course isn't funded as it isn't part of the numbers the NHS has said it wants - so the uni is instead getting non-EU students as they're self-funding.
    There is a private medical school already in the UK, and about 60% of students are from the UK:

    http://www.theguardian.com/education/2015/jan/07/buckingham-university-medical-degree-applications
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    I really want to go to bed but I want to see what's on the front page of the Mail.

    Gerronwithit

    I think you can safely assume that the tastiest beans were spilled on Days 1 & 2.
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    JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    Slovakia is refusing to enact the EU's decision on mandatory quotas:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34331126
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,251
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Totally O/t, but the BBC is reporting that, due to Govt restrictions, the University of Central Lancs is admitting NO EU or UK students to it's degree course in medicine.

    If we're short of GP's ........

    What Govt restrictions? And how can it have a degree course if it has no students?
    rcs1000 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    SeanT said:

    I AM NUMBER ONE

    Congratulations.

    I don't generally read much fiction but I will make an exception for you!!

    Wait: I thought you worked for an investment bank?
    Very funny! OK - I will caveat (lawyers, eh!). I don't read it in my spare time. Don't have much spare time for one thing.

    (Don't think I've ever said where I work.....)

    I think you, Charles and MaxPB have all admitted to working for investment banks in the past.
    pb Tories working for investment banks? I assumed they were all cottage entrepreneurs.
    I'm fairly sure Cyclefree didn't vote Conservative, and I don't think either MaxPB or Charles are typical "pb Tories"
    You are quite right. But it doesn't matter how often I say that I am not a Tory nor a PB Tory (whatever that is) people will make assumptions......

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    FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,070
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Totally O/t, but the BBC is reporting that, due to Govt restrictions, the University of Central Lancs is admitting NO EU or UK students to it's degree course in medicine.

    If we're short of GP's ........

    What Govt restrictions? And how can it have a degree course if it has no students?
    rcs1000 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    SeanT said:

    I AM NUMBER ONE

    Congratulations.

    I don't generally read much fiction but I will make an exception for you!!

    Wait: I thought you worked for an investment bank?
    Very funny! OK - I will caveat (lawyers, eh!). I don't read it in my spare time. Don't have much spare time for one thing.

    (Don't think I've ever said where I work.....)

    I think you, Charles and MaxPB have all admitted to working for investment banks in the past.
    pb Tories working for investment banks? I assumed they were all cottage entrepreneurs.
    I'm fairly sure Cyclefree didn't vote Conservative, and I don't think either MaxPB or Charles are typical "pb Tories"
    I didn't necessarily mean it in the derogatory timothy sense, but they are pb people who I think identify as Tory voters nonetheless.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,087

    I really want to go to bed but I want to see what's on the front page of the Mail.

    Gerronwithit

    I think you can safely assume that the tastiest beans were spilled on Days 1 & 2.
    Dull. Surely they've held something back for day 3 or day 4, when DC may have started to relax. Come on, Mail.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,211

    I really want to go to bed but I want to see what's on the front page of the Mail.

    Gerronwithit

    I think you can safely assume that the tastiest beans were spilled on Days 1 & 2.
    "Corbyn and Farage Attend Cameron Dead Pig Sex Parties" is not the headline tomorrow.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,211
    JEO said:

    Slovakia is refusing to enact the EU's decision on mandatory quotas:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34331126

    I believe Hungary is doing the same.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,380
    edited September 2015

    rcs1000 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Totally O/t, but the BBC is reporting that, due to Govt restrictions, the University of Central Lancs is admitting NO EU or UK students to it's degree course in medicine.

    If we're short of GP's ........

    What Govt restrictions? And how can it have a degree course if it has no students?
    rcs1000 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    SeanT said:

    I AM NUMBER ONE

    Congratulations.

    I don't generally read much fiction but I will make an exception for you!!

    Wait: I thought you worked for an investment bank?
    Very funny! OK - I will caveat (lawyers, eh!). I don't read it in my spare time. Don't have much spare time for one thing.

    (Don't think I've ever said where I work.....)

    I think you, Charles and MaxPB have all admitted to working for investment banks in the past.
    I assumed they were all cottage entrepreneurs.
    Wow, a rent boy cohort of the PB swarm was not one I had really considered.

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    FensterFenster Posts: 2,115
    O/T for those with Sky Anytime.

    I watched Alex Gibney's Scientology documentary last night 'Going Clear' and it is excellent. Thoroughly enjoyable viewing.

    It's available free On Demand.

    It is so intriguing to attempt to discover why otherwise intelligent, smart and successful people choose to believe - zealously too - in such obvious hocus pocus.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,211
    Fenster said:

    O/T for those with Sky Anytime.

    I watched Alex Gibney's Scientology documentary last night 'Going Clear' and it is excellent. Thoroughly enjoyable viewing.

    It's available free On Demand.

    It is so intriguing to attempt to discover why otherwise intelligent, smart and successful people choose to believe - zealously too - in such obvious hocus pocus.

    Yes; it's outstanding. The second best documentary this year after The Jinx.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited September 2015
    I believe we are approaching resignation territory, these allegations that Cameron conspired against his OWN party simply to try to get rid of Boris + KGB drug connection are more serious that even the dead pig sex:

    https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/646430694051344384/photo/1
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    Well this story is going to tick a few boxes for some PBers

    School questioned Muslim pupil about Isis after discussion on eco-activism

    Parents of 14-year-old at north London’s Central Foundation school take legal action after he was left ‘scared and nervous’ by experience

    A Muslim schoolboy was questioned about Islamic State after a classroom discussion about environmental activism, the Guardian has learned.

    The parents of the 14-year-old are taking legal action after the boy said he was left “scared and nervous” by his experience with school officials in north London, and was left reluctant to join in class discussions for fear of being suspected of extremism.

    http://bit.ly/1j7bn7c
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,087

    Well the Scottish Daily Mail is out

    htps://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/646430694051344384

    So 1) Drugs 2) He knows he's posh 3) He doesn't like Boris 4) He doesn't like Boris

    Not sure I could believe 4 unless the hate is really deep - in 2008 and 2012 Tory wins in London were surely very good signs for the party and thus Cameron, so even if that meant a Boris win it helped him.
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,251

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Totally O/t, but the BBC is reporting that, due to Govt restrictions, the University of Central Lancs is admitting NO EU or UK students to it's degree course in medicine.

    If we're short of GP's ........

    What Govt restrictions? And how can it have a degree course if it has no students?
    rcs1000 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    SeanT said:

    I AM NUMBER ONE

    Congratulations.

    I don't generally read much fiction but I will make an exception for you!!

    Wait: I thought you worked for an investment bank?
    Very funny! OK - I will caveat (lawyers, eh!). I don't read it in my spare time. Don't have much spare time for one thing.

    (Don't think I've ever said where I work.....)

    I think you, Charles and MaxPB have all admitted to working for investment banks in the past.
    pb Tories working for investment banks? I assumed they were all cottage entrepreneurs.
    I'm fairly sure Cyclefree didn't vote Conservative, and I don't think either MaxPB or Charles are typical "pb Tories"
    I didn't necessarily mean it in the derogatory timothy sense, but they are pb people who I think identify as Tory voters nonetheless.
    No I bloody well don't. I'm a bit homeless as far as political parties are concerned, though don't really identify with politicians anyway as, IMO and based on my knowledge of politics students, they're all more or less weird (anyone wanting to be a politician, certainly from a young age, is the last person who should be entrusted with power) but I did have Maajid Nawaz as a candidate in my constituency, the best candidate on offer, but 2015 was not the year to be standing as a Lib Dem sadly.

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    kle4 said:

    Well the Scottish Daily Mail is out

    htps://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/646430694051344384

    So 1) Drugs 2) He knows he's posh 3) He doesn't like Boris 4) He doesn't like Boris

    Not sure I could believe 4 unless the hate is really deep - in 2008 and 2012 Tory wins in London were surely very good signs for the party and thus Cameron, so even if that meant a Boris win it helped him.
    I'm a bit like Dave.

    I was born with two silver feet in my mouth
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited September 2015

    rcs1000 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Totally O/t, but the BBC is reporting that, due to Govt restrictions, the University of Central Lancs is admitting NO EU or UK students to it's degree course in medicine.

    If we're short of GP's ........

    What Govt restrictions? And how can it have a degree course if it has no students?
    rcs1000 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    SeanT said:

    I AM NUMBER ONE

    Congratulations.

    I don't generally read much fiction but I will make an exception for you!!

    Wait: I thought you worked for an investment bank?
    Very funny! OK - I will caveat (lawyers, eh!). I don't read it in my spare time. Don't have much spare time for one thing.

    (Don't think I've ever said where I work.....)

    I think you, Charles and MaxPB have all admitted to working for investment banks in the past.
    I assumed they were all cottage entrepreneurs.
    Wow, a rent boy cohort of the PB swarm was not one I had really considered.

    That would be the PB Heathites (allegedly...)
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    perdixperdix Posts: 1,806
    hunchman said:

    rcs1000 said:
    Thanks Robert. A lot of good stuff in that document. The main problem is that demographics and their impact are completely ignored. On that score alone the outcome that the paper describes is impossible in my humble opinion. The points on government debt are arguable but investors are not rational beings. Its just time, well 9 days away, for the start of the sovereign debt crisis based on martin armstrong and his economic confidence model. What seems affordable now at rock bottom interest rates now rapidly changes once expectations of rising rates are baked into the cake.
    Is hunchman a contrarian and a speculator?
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    rcs1000 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Totally O/t, but the BBC is reporting that, due to Govt restrictions, the University of Central Lancs is admitting NO EU or UK students to it's degree course in medicine.

    If we're short of GP's ........

    What Govt restrictions? And how can it have a degree course if it has no students?
    rcs1000 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    SeanT said:

    I AM NUMBER ONE

    Congratulations.

    I don't generally read much fiction but I will make an exception for you!!

    Wait: I thought you worked for an investment bank?
    Very funny! OK - I will caveat (lawyers, eh!). I don't read it in my spare time. Don't have much spare time for one thing.

    (Don't think I've ever said where I work.....)

    I think you, Charles and MaxPB have all admitted to working for investment banks in the past.
    I assumed they were all cottage entrepreneurs.
    Wow, a rent boy cohort of the PB swarm was not one I had really considered.

    When I was young and naive, after spending a week in a cottage in Wales, I announced very proudly

    "I want another cottaging holiday next year"
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    JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    rcs1000 said:

    JEO said:

    rcs1000 said:

    hunchman said:

    rcs1000 said:
    Thanks Robert. A lot of good stuff in that document. The main problem is that demographics and their impact are completely ignored. On that score alone the outcome that the paper describes is impossible in my humble opinion. The points on government debt are arguable but investors are not rational beings. Its just time, well 9 days away, for the start of the sovereign debt crisis based on martin armstrong and his economic confidence model. What seems affordable now at rock bottom interest rates now rapidly changes once expectations of rising rates are baked into the cake.
    I have a whole different paper on demographics I'm working on, which I'll share with you at some other point.

    Can we have a gentleman's wage on the coming sovereign debt crisis? I think it'll affect commodity exporters, like Venezuela, Ecaudor, Brazil, Russia, Chile, Argentina, Nigeria, etc. You think it'll hammer the developed countries.

    But there is a feedback loop in place. Falling commodity prices directly add to developed countries GDP (lower prices means higher net exports), increasing growth rates, and making debt service ratios less onerous.
    "Falling commodity prices directly add to developed countries GDP (lower prices means higher net exports)"

    That's incorrect because the falling commodity prices also reduce final consumption in the GDP equation by the same amount.
    Only if the money is saved and not spent.

    And every time that oil prices have fallen by 50% or more, it has heralded periods of higher growth (1982-1983, 1985-1986, 1992-1993, 1997-1998, and 2001-2002).

    In fact, you can look at the last five decades as falling into periods when commodity exporters were in the ascendent (the 1970s, the 2000-2013 period) and the opposite (the 1960s, the 1980s and 1990s, and now). During the former periods, you saw rapid growth in LatAm, the Middle East, Canada, Australia. And during the former periods, you saw rapid growth in commodity importing countries.

    Think of it another way: when commodity prices are high, a proportion of economic output from importers must be sent to commodity exporters.

    You were talking about the direct effect, but now you're adding in the indirect effect of the consumers spending the money they do not spend on commodities on other stuff. The direct effect is completely neutral. The indirect effect of consumers spending money they are now not paying for oil depends on whether they buy domestically made stuff or imports.
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,251
    JEO said:

    Slovakia is refusing to enact the EU's decision on mandatory quotas:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34331126

    Quite right. You can't force countries to take people they don't want. Only trouble will follow if you do that. The Germans seem - once again - to have learnt all the wrong lessons from history.
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    OchEyeOchEye Posts: 1,469
    DavidL said:

    SeanT said:

    I AM NUMBER ONE

    Well done. We all now know someone famous. How will we cope?
    Who?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,087
    JEO said:

    Slovakia is refusing to enact the EU's decision on mandatory quotas:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34331126

    So I guess the reason measures like these are rarely voted upon is because if it comes down to a vote, nations may not even bother to abide by the vote, in which case what was the point.
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,380
    SeanT said:

    I AM NUMBER ONE


    Good lord! Why didn't you mention this before?
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited September 2015
    Cyclefree said:

    JEO said:

    Slovakia is refusing to enact the EU's decision on mandatory quotas:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34331126

    Quite right. You can't force countries to take people they don't want. Only trouble will follow if you do that. The Germans seem - once again - to have learnt all the wrong lessons from history.
    Others will follow.
    Once an Emperors feudal lords refuse to accept his decision then he is reduced to Emperor in name only, same goes for Merkel.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,688
    edited September 2015
    Interesting Mirror front page

    Cam: I've been stabbed in back by a little xxxxx

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPiXbAMWsAA99k4.jpg
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,087
    Speedy said:

    I believe we are approaching resignation territory, these allegations that Cameron conspired against his OWN party simply to try to get rid of Boris + KGB drug connection are more serious that even the dead pig sex:

    htps://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/646430694051344384/photo/1

    I wonder if the source for him conspiring against his own party are people from the recently restrained anti-cameroon faction which had wished for his failure - after all, there are probably plenty of people in the party who dislike Cameron enough to have wanted the party to lose in May I'd guess, they probably had malcontents lined up to condemn him on TV on election night.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,214
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Ruth Davidson commits Scottish Tories to campaign for In when the EU referendum is called
    “I believe – and campaigned for – Scotland to stay part of a wider Union. And I believe Britain should stay part of a wider Union, too.”
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2015/09/ruth-davidson-backs-eu-membership-which-should-worry-brexit-supporters-for-two-reasons.html

    Someone that no-one listens to has said something unmemorable that nobody heard.
    If Davidson commits the Scottish Tories to an In vote that will be a signal that the moderate wing of the Tories will be pushing In

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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Cyclefree said:

    JEO said:

    Slovakia is refusing to enact the EU's decision on mandatory quotas:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34331126

    Quite right. You can't force countries to take people they don't want. Only trouble will follow if you do that. The Germans seem - once again - to have learnt all the wrong lessons from history.
    More importantly, how can Slovakia keep people that it does not want and who want to be elsewhere?. It's a a non-starter.
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    OchEyeOchEye Posts: 1,469

    HYUFD said:

    hunchman said:

    HYUFD said:

    PPP Iowa

    GOP

    Trump 24% (19%)
    Carson 17% (12%)
    Fiorina 13% (10%)
    Cruz 8% (9%)
    Rubio 8% (6%)
    Bush 6% (11%)
    Huckabee 6% (6%)
    Walker 5% (12%)
    Jindal 4% (2%)
    Paul 4% (3%)
    Kasich 2% (3%)
    Christie 1% (1%)
    Santorum 1% (2%)
    Gilmore 0% (0%)
    Graham 0% (0%)
    Pataki 0% (0%)

    Democrats

    Clinton 43%
    Sanders 22%
    Biden 17%
    O'Malley 3%
    Webb 3%
    Chafee 2%

    http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/09/trump-still-leads-iowa-clinton-in-good-shape.html

    Pleasing to see Jeb Bush going backwards despite the GOP establishment and that odious man Boehner backing him. Well they're losing control and thank goodness too. Enjoyed listening to a trump speech where he laid into Obama on climate change. That was great to see!
    Trump remains the man to beat at the moment
    Trump will never be POTUS, thank goodness.
    Sanders is causing more interesting potential to win not only the Democratic vote, but possibly the Presidential one
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,211
    JEO said:

    You were talking about the direct effect, but now you're adding in the indirect effect of the consumers spending the money they do not spend on commodities on other stuff. The direct effect is completely neutral. The indirect effect of consumers spending money they are now not paying for oil depends on whether they buy domestically made stuff or imports.

    I am assuming the savings rate remains constant! I think that is an entirely reasonable assumption.
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    kle4 said:

    Speedy said:

    I believe we are approaching resignation territory, these allegations that Cameron conspired against his OWN party simply to try to get rid of Boris + KGB drug connection are more serious that even the dead pig sex:

    htps://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/646430694051344384/photo/1

    I wonder if the source for him conspiring against his own party are people from the recently restrained anti-cameroon faction which had wished for his failure - after all, there are probably plenty of people in the party who dislike Cameron enough to have wanted the party to lose in May I'd guess, they probably had malcontents lined up to condemn him on TV on election night.
    I was speaking to a head of politics/history at a Uni today.

    He reckons Cameron will join Margaret Thatcher and Tony Blair as the most hated PMs for the same reasons they did.

    They never lost a general election and that galls their opponents.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,187
    Quick question that someone might be able to answer. When Bill Clinton was President, Hillary was First Lady. If Hillary becomes President - Bill becomes - what? First Husband? First Lord???

    It may also be complicated by the fact that he was himself also a President. I have in mind that there is a convention that even ex-Presidents are still referred to as "Mr President". If so, that would be seriously weird - Mr President and Madam President.....
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,087

    Interesting Mirror front page

    Cam: I've been stabbed in back by a little xxxxx

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPiXbAMWsAA99k4.jpg

    I think I may be a snob. Seeing it reported as him telling 'Tory pals' just makes me want to shout. Something about that kind of casual language just seems faintly wrong when discussing the news, even if it's news about deceased porcine molestation.

    Of note, the word 'pig' is found 3 times on the front page there
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    JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    kle4 said:

    JEO said:

    Slovakia is refusing to enact the EU's decision on mandatory quotas:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34331126

    So I guess the reason measures like these are rarely voted upon is because if it comes down to a vote, nations may not even bother to abide by the vote, in which case what was the point.
    Right now the UK is the only mug that actually follows EU rules. We know France and Italy have long flouted laws. Greece regularly lied about its finances to get round Eurozone criteria. Germany and France both breached deficit limits. The Eurozone broke the no bailout clause. Germany, Austria and Hungary have abandoned Schengen requirements. Central Europe will now not enact the migrant placements. We need to just do what we want where the EU is not working for us. Ask forgiveness, not permission.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,214
    edited September 2015
    Speedy said:

    I believe we are approaching resignation territory, these allegations that Cameron conspired against his OWN party simply to try to get rid of Boris + KGB drug connection are more serious that even the dead pig sex:

    https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/646430694051344384/photo/1

    Given the KGB disappeared 25 years ago and the main allegation of an ex KGB spy is that Cameron asked them to get him drugs a quarter of a century ago that is certainly a non starter as well as sounding farcical, as is the obvious statement he is very posh. The only real impact of the story maybe to piss off Boris and make him even more determined to succeed Dave
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    kle4 said:

    Speedy said:

    I believe we are approaching resignation territory, these allegations that Cameron conspired against his OWN party simply to try to get rid of Boris + KGB drug connection are more serious that even the dead pig sex:

    htps://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/646430694051344384/photo/1

    I wonder if the source for him conspiring against his own party are people from the recently restrained anti-cameroon faction which had wished for his failure - after all, there are probably plenty of people in the party who dislike Cameron enough to have wanted the party to lose in May I'd guess, they probably had malcontents lined up to condemn him on TV on election night.
    People like Ashcroft in the anti-Cameron faction who were wanting Dave not to win in May? Who are now claiming that others are undermining Tory candidates. It takes some brass neck to do that!
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Regarding the 'big move to private diesel cars', in the USA there is no such thing. Diesel is seen as smelly and expensive. Diesel fuel here is much more expensive than gasoline.

    When I get my annual emissions inspection done it is all through an OBD2 plugin, there is no engine exhaust analysis. Other than the OBD2 all they do is pressure test the fuel filler cap.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited September 2015
    kle4 said:

    Speedy said:

    I believe we are approaching resignation territory, these allegations that Cameron conspired against his OWN party simply to try to get rid of Boris + KGB drug connection are more serious that even the dead pig sex:

    htps://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/646430694051344384/photo/1

    I wonder if the source for him conspiring against his own party are people from the recently restrained anti-cameroon faction which had wished for his failure - after all, there are probably plenty of people in the party who dislike Cameron enough to have wanted the party to lose in May I'd guess, they probably had malcontents lined up to condemn him on TV on election night.
    If you are party leader for more than 10 years the ones down the line wanting and waiting for you to go to get promoted get more numerous and more restless.
    That's what got Thatcher and Blair in the end, they overstayed their welcome.
    And that's why in the USA the President has term limits of 8 years max.
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    MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    edited September 2015

    rcs1000 said:

    Totally O/t, but the BBC is reporting that, due to Govt restrictions, the University of Central Lancs is admitting NO EU or UK students to it's degree course in medicine.

    If we're short of GP's ........

    Colour me slightly surprised that the University of Central Lancs has a medicine course...

    I was too. I knew it had started to offer pharmacy, where we have more than enough graduates, but not medicine. Worringly, at the last count only 68% of it's pharmacy graduates made it through the registration exam and are able to actually practice.
    There are some terrible unis offering pharmacy. One springs to mind where some seriously dodgy practices took place.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,087
    Speedy said:

    Cyclefree said:

    JEO said:

    Slovakia is refusing to enact the EU's decision on mandatory quotas:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34331126

    Quite right. You can't force countries to take people they don't want. Only trouble will follow if you do that. The Germans seem - once again - to have learnt all the wrong lessons from history.
    Others will follow.
    Once an Emperors feudal lords refuse to accept his decision then he is reduced to Emperor in name only, same goes for Merkel.
    Yes, people forget that feudal systems are still two way relationships, that even if there are supposed divine obligations to the head of the pyramid, there are expectations on what are reasonable demands to those below.

    The EU relies on consensus, and the problem is that sometimes it is a false consensus, where the biggest agree a position, top up with smaller enthusiastic supporters, and others than sort of join in with varying levels of enthusiasm as it's clear which way things are going and it's time to all pitch in together. Potential problems are when something arrives, perhaps this is it, where significant numbers simply don't play that game anymore.
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    kle4 said:

    Interesting Mirror front page

    Cam: I've been stabbed in back by a little xxxxx

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPiXbAMWsAA99k4.jpg

    I think I may be a snob. Seeing it reported as him telling 'Tory pals' just makes me want to shout. Something about that kind of casual language just seems faintly wrong when discussing the news, even if it's news about deceased porcine molestation.
    Mr kle4, - you really shouldn’t get so excited, it’s only the Daily Mirror.
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    HYUFD said:

    'Ginger extremist' found guilty of attempting to kill Prince Charles and Prince William to make Harry King
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3244924/Ginger-extremist-GUILTY-plot-shoot-Prince-Charles-William-Harry-king-Aryan-people.html

    Had he never heard of Prince George?
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    ... So the NHS calculates how many students it needs ....

    If it does the God only knows what it does with the result of the calculation. The number of doctors being trained seems to bear no relationship to the need. As our own Dr Sox points out on a regular basis the number of physicians and surgeons is grossly inadequate and the shortage is getting worse by the year.

    Mind you if you increase the population by 300,000 a year then you need 150 extra GPs just to keep the patent.doctor ratio the same and then add on all the extra specialists on top. Given that these additional people are of such economic benefit to the country then presumably there isn't a problem in paying for all the extra numbers, given the increased tax take they generate.
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    Given this appears to be a UK-centric thread, I think you'll find another post on the e-car issue more interesting:

    https://matter2energy.wordpress.com/2015/06/13/biofuel-vs-pv-stop-drinkin-the-ethanol/
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