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You should read the essay by Orwell on nationalism -TudorRose said:
Do pacificists support 'armed struggles'?AndyJS said:John McDonnell in his own words:
"It's about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table. The peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA."
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2003/may/30/northernireland.devolution
http://theorwellprize.co.uk/george-orwell/by-orwell/essays-and-other-works/notes-on-nationalism/
particularly "Negative Nationalism" - take a Tory, reflect in a mirror (as it were) and there you are. The important bit is anything anti-your-country is good/better.
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Darren McCaffrey from Twitter12m
NEW: I understand that @RhonddaBryant was potentially in line for defence but that it is now proving problematic.
Chris Bryant.0 -
Well, I could post another variant as to how the Labour Centre get back in the weeks and months to come.
Or I could just read this comments thread and weep with laughter. That and Jimmy Liddel's commentary after a Man U victory over Liverpool, for low culture, and I think I may have hurt myself.0 -
Not in a million years. Not even the ccurrent Tories are so lucky.GIN1138 said:
Defections to the Lib-Dems, Tories and UKIP could be on the cards.Casino_Royale said:If the Lib Dems hadn't been obliterated, I reckon we could be counting the weeks until the first defection from Labour.
Perhaps they still will.
Also I'd not rule out someone like Mandelson or even Tony Blair himself, starting their own party (National Democrats or something...)
Some Tories must be getting a bit nervous that when their next crisis hits, they are inevitable after all, it will be a big one as balance to their current fortune.
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On what evidence?TheScreamingEagles said:
Quite a few other journalists, right and left are confirming the same storyJWisemann said:
Any evidence for this? Or just hysterical nonsense from an extreme right-winger?TheScreamingEagles said:@stephenpollard: Just to repeat: it was the Corbyn camp who described the position as 'Minister for Jews'. They actually thought it would be welcomed.
There really is some gullible cretins on the right when they read something that confirms their lunatic prejudices.
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Hasn't yet appointed Defence (Nato/Trident) or Transport (Railways/Heathrow/HS2) - fairly important posts, wouldn't you think?0
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Well it hadnt needed one since the US used it as a runway for fifty years. It's relying on herd immunity.Dair said:
You don't have to look to some banana republic to find this.AndyJS said:Corbyn's remarks:
"Wouldn’t it be wonderful if every politician around the world instead of taking pride in the size of their armed forces did what the people of Costa Rica have done and abolished the army and took pride in the fact that they don’t have an army, and that their country is near the top of the global peace index. Surely that is the way we should be going forward.”"
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/6637495/Corbyn-Britain-should-abolish-its-Army.htmlPlato_Says said:Sun's frontpage is a bit OTT Corbyn wants to abolish Army
AndyJS said:Simon Danczuk and John Mann both have guest columns in today's Mail:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3232213/Corbynmania-like-gales-laughter-PMQs-SIMON-DANCZUK-Labour-MP-Rochdale.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3232215/More-positions-Kama-Sutra-not-job-Comment-JOHN-MANN-Labour-MP-Bassetlaw.html
Iceland has no military budget and no Armed Forced.0 -
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There must now be a good chance of a new Gang of Four (or 100?!) quitting the Labour Party?0
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Burnham
It's all nuts except the land value tax, that's the single most sensible economic policy proposed for Britain since the introduction of VAT.Casino_Royale said:
It's nuts.RodCrosby said:
"a wealth tax on the richest 10%,Casino_Royale said:McDonnell.. SWEET JESUS.
a Robin Hood tax on financial transactions,
a Land Value tax,
the restoration of progressive income tax of 60% on incomes above £100,000
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For those at the top it means ending the bonuses and limiting high salaries to no more than 20 times the lowest paid in any company or organisation.
For all others it means replacing the minimum wage with a living wage and a living pension and living welfare benefits, reducing the working week to 35 hours, closing the gender pay gap, controlling rents and energy prices, and restoring rights at work"
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JWiseman and speedy to retract abuse then? Not holding my breath.
@stephenpollard: Just to repeat: it was the Corbyn camp who described the position as 'Minister for Jews'. They actually thought it would be welcomed.0 -
I think every day of politics this week is going to be absolutely fascinating:
For starters: the red flag to a Socialist bull Trade Union Bill tomorrow.
For main course: tax credit reductions on Tuesday
For a delicious dessert: a PMQ farce on Wednesday.
Thursday and Friday? Who knows. I'm sure Osborne is enjoying every minute of this.0 -
If the alleged "Minister for Jews" quote is confirmed to have originally come from the Corbyn camp, Labour can probably kiss goodbye to the London mayoralty.0
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That happened on Friday.AndyJS said:If the alleged "Minister for Jews" quote is confirmed to have originally come from the Corbyn camp, Labour can probably kiss goodbye to the London mayoralty.
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So that's Goldsmith, Khan and the new Labour shadow chancellor that are against Heathrow expansion.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes (over Heathrow expansion)GIN1138 said:Was John McDonnell the one who went crazy with the Mace a few years ago?
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Not Diane Abbott please. He's turning the party into a laughing stock0
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Maybe it has some merit, but the politics of it are simply awful. Particularly when mixed up and obfuscated with the rest of that economically illiterate package.edmundintokyo said:Burnham
It's all nuts except the land value tax, that's the single most sensible economic policy proposed for Britain since the introduction of VAT.Casino_Royale said:
It's nuts.RodCrosby said:
"a wealth tax on the richest 10%,Casino_Royale said:McDonnell.. SWEET JESUS.
a Robin Hood tax on financial transactions,
a Land Value tax,
the restoration of progressive income tax of 60% on incomes above £100,000
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For those at the top it means ending the bonuses and limiting high salaries to no more than 20 times the lowest paid in any company or organisation.
For all others it means replacing the minimum wage with a living wage and a living pension and living welfare benefits, reducing the working week to 35 hours, closing the gender pay gap, controlling rents and energy prices, and restoring rights at work"
http://www.johnmcdonnell.org.uk/2012/05/radical-alternative-to-austerity.html0 -
It's just a smear from the right wing press that Corbyn hangs around with terrorist supporters. He actually only appointed McDonnell to be Shadow Chancellor as a diplomatic gesture.0
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And an outspoken racist as Communities Secretary. For Christ's sake.0
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It's not likely as another small party won't make much headway, but it's surely not very unlikely. There must be many Labour MPs that will find it almost impossible to vote with a Corbyn led party. Politically many of them will be closer to the Tories, never mind the Lib Dems, than the cobblers Corbyn believes.kle4 said:
Not in a million years. Not even the ccurrent Tories are so lucky.GIN1138 said:
Defections to the Lib-Dems, Tories and UKIP could be on the cards.Casino_Royale said:If the Lib Dems hadn't been obliterated, I reckon we could be counting the weeks until the first defection from Labour.
Perhaps they still will.
Also I'd not rule out someone like Mandelson or even Tony Blair himself, starting their own party (National Democrats or something...)
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Has Yogi Berra commented yet?0
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Isn't Chris Bryant in favour of Trident renewal? And he was going to be appointed to Defence (although that's now proving problematic?)0
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So McDonnell gets the job but dear old Andy takes a job anyway.
These comparisons with Reek are so unfair. He at least killed that awful woman. I cannot for one moment imagine Andy finding that kind of backbone.0 -
Nice to see David Davis comparing parts of the trade union bill to Franco.Casino_Royale said:I think every day of politics this week is going to be absolutely fascinating:
For starters: the red flag to a Socialist bull Trade Union Bill tomorrow.
For main course: tax credit reductions on Tuesday
For a delicious dessert: a PMQ farce on Wednesday.
Thursday and Friday? Who knows. I'm sure Osborne is enjoying every minute of this.0 -
Plato - Please don't copy and paste articles from other websites in their entireity. Just a small portion will do.0
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The snub to women will be a genuine shock to many who voted for JC. And they will feel bitterly disappointed; betrayed even. But that's the hard left for you. It's very, very male. Almost all the senior Militant figures were blokes; almost all senior trade unionists; and so on.
Is Zoe Williams tweeting currently? She voted for this.0 -
John McDonnell and the mace:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpDyW-p_KWs0 -
Some extreme right wing pro-Israel nutter saying it doesn't make it so.Moses_ said:JWiseman and speedy to retract abuse then? Not holding my breath.
@stephenpollard: Just to repeat: it was the Corbyn camp who described the position as 'Minister for Jews'. They actually thought it would be welcomed.
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Will we have a Minister for Atheists who is a believer and a Minister for Faiths who is an atheist?oxfordsimon said:
Where is the Minister for Atheists?TGOHF said:Are the Jedi covered by faith minorities ?
Dreadful idea all round.0 -
So with the Minister for Religious Minorities and Abbott as Communities Minister, Corbyn has shown Labour will have no truck with either Christians or white people.0
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Hang on, are we not still awaiting a biggie: Energy & Climate Change? Is it going to be Ed?0
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Are we going to get a dramatic Midnight intervention from Dr Palmer?0
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This is true, that's why it hasn't been done already despite being really good policy.Casino_Royale said:
Maybe it has some merit, but the politics of it are simply awful. Particularly when mixed up and obfuscated with the rest of that economically illiterate package.edmundintokyo said:Burnham
It's all nuts except the land value tax, that's the single most sensible economic policy proposed for Britain since the introduction of VAT.Casino_Royale said:
It's nuts.RodCrosby said:
"a wealth tax on the richest 10%,Casino_Royale said:McDonnell.. SWEET JESUS.
a Robin Hood tax on financial transactions,
a Land Value tax,
the restoration of progressive income tax of 60% on incomes above £100,000
...
For those at the top it means ending the bonuses and limiting high salaries to no more than 20 times the lowest paid in any company or organisation.
For all others it means replacing the minimum wage with a living wage and a living pension and living welfare benefits, reducing the working week to 35 hours, closing the gender pay gap, controlling rents and energy prices, and restoring rights at work"
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This.JEO said:Umunna was ok to stay in the shadow cabinet if Corbyn nationalised energy companies, ratched up taxes, ended spending restraint, printed money to fund government spending, brought in maximum salaries and took the banks back without compensation to owners. But campaigning to leave the EU, THAT would be anti-business.
What a joke the Blairites are. The EU is like a religion to them.0 -
Why?AndyJS said:If the alleged "Minister for Jews" quote is confirmed to have originally come from the Corbyn camp, Labour can probably kiss goodbye to the London mayoralty.
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He said yesterday he was staying on the back benchesRichard_Nabavi said:Hang on, are we not still awaiting a biggie: Energy & Climate Change? Is it going to be Ed?
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I voted for Wes!AndyJS said:0 -
To what purpose? The members of the party are behind Corbyn, and those that weren't most are probably still willing to be loyal for the moment, so who would go with the MPs? As bad as Corbyn is supposed to be, he will offer opportunities for defenestration, even if it won't be right away, but until the members start to turn on him in number, leaving couldn't achieve anything, and if he crashed hard enough it becomes needless.numbertwelve said:There must now be a good chance of a new Gang of Four (or 100?!) quitting the Labour Party?
Got to wait for the moment. Charles I faced a Long Parliament united against him and had no choice but to bend to its demands, until Pym and others went too far and split the Commons, enabling a push back that led to civil war. ABCs jumping now from a position of a party membership very much behind Corbyn would be a waste, best to wait until the loyal support of Corbyn fractures a little.
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With those economic policies there will be companies and institutions putting together plan 'B' if Labour go anywhere near 35% in the polls. I'm not sure this is funny any more....0
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Brother Piers is going to be sent to The Lords surely?Richard_Nabavi said:Hang on, are we not still awaiting a biggie: Energy & Climate Change? Is it going to be Ed?
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We haven't had Defence or Transport yet. Climate change to be Piers Corbyn in a shock development?Richard_Nabavi said:Hang on, are we not still awaiting a biggie: Energy & Climate Change? Is it going to be Ed?
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That's two big woman shadowsSpeedy said:And that's Abbott.
George Eaton @georgeeaton 8m8 minutes ago
Diane Abbott tipped for shadow communities and Catherine West for shadow international development.0 -
No surprise here. OGH said Burnham was a loser.. and now he is , prostituting his beliefs for a job in Corbyn's shadow cabinet.. unedifying.0
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Will this be the shortest political honeymoon on record?0
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Who will it lead Labour after Corbyn?
My guess is that Corbyn doesn't lead Labour into the next election. He may get a honeymoon period but I think over time opinion polls will prove he is unelectable. If so, what happens next? Either he steps down at a time of his choosing or he is defenestrated. I'm guessing the former possibility is more likely. If so he and the left wing of the party have more control over the process and his successor.
But if he does prove to be a failure according to the polls, will lessons not be learnt? Brown wasn't electable, Ed Miliband less so, Jeremy Corbyn even less. Blair is now a pariah but he was an enormous political success. So will the party return to political expediency next time or not? If so who will get the job? D Miliband? E Balls? Both would need to get into parliament first. Sir K Starmer? I haven't decided on him yet. Dan Jarvis? I haven't decided on him yet. The ABCs? No. Any other woman? Is there one good enough? Tom Watson? Not for me .... but then again?
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A land value tax would be an absolute mare for the idle wealthy, hence why the Tories wouldn't do it in a million years.0
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You mean Jez!!Sunil_Prasannan said:
I voted for Wes!AndyJS said:0 -
It's hard to believe that only a few months ago some people actually rated him, now he looks like a total joke.SquareRoot said:No surprise here. OGH said Burnham was a loser, prostituting his beliefs for a job in Corbyn's shadow cabinet.. unedifying.
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What we need next is for two people to be appointed to the same job by mistake. They then dress it up as a job share.Casino_Royale said:I think every day of politics this week is going to be absolutely fascinating:
For starters: the red flag to a Socialist bull Trade Union Bill tomorrow.
For main course: tax credit reductions on Tuesday
For a delicious dessert: a PMQ farce on Wednesday.
Thursday and Friday? Who knows. I'm sure Osborne is enjoying every minute of this.
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Or Education?alex. said:
We haven't had Defence or Transport yet. Climate change to be Piers Corbyn in a shock development?Richard_Nabavi said:Hang on, are we not still awaiting a biggie: Energy & Climate Change? Is it going to be Ed?
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I'm going to have to tell my Scandinavian doctor friend that the new shadow communities secretary doesn't want people of her racial background working in the NHS.0
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All Corbyn needs to do is to reform the selection rules and then, post boundaries, introduce mandatory reselection ("it's only right that our constituency members get to choose the best of the best")Casino_Royale said:
The MPs won't nominate a hard-left candidate a second time.JonathanD said:Casino_Royale said:Corbyn will probably be gone before GE2020.
But will there be enough time for Labour to pull itself together afterwards, and for this ludicrous interregnum to be forgotten by the electorate and take advantage of the new leader's honeymoon?
Labour must be hoping so. But you can't fatten a pig on market day.
How do they get rid of all the hard left members who have either joined or will be joining over the next few weeks?
Where is the mass of moderates who are going to join up to out vote them?0 -
Hope so but just the other day Ed said he'd like some time on the back benches.Richard_Nabavi said:Hang on, are we not still awaiting a biggie: Energy & Climate Change? Is it going to be Ed?
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Have been busy at work, and seemed to have missed all the excitement. On a scale of 0-10, how good is this for PB Tories?
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Every Party's got its headbangers.
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I don’t think a honeymoon period will even register, - didn’t the polls immediately drop 6 points on the news of a Corbyn victory?Plato_Says said:Will this be the shortest political honeymoon on record?
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Sunder Katwala
@sundersays
Cor-blimey: John McDonnell is Shadow Chancellor. His Who's Who hobby? "Fermenting the overthrow of capitalism"0 -
How about a Minister for Beards and then a Minister for Merkins to keep a balance of the sexes?0
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Plato_Says said:
Or Education?alex. said:
We haven't had Defence or Transport yet. Climate change to be Piers Corbyn in a shock development?Richard_Nabavi said:Hang on, are we not still awaiting a biggie: Energy & Climate Change? Is it going to be Ed?
No but one would have thought those two are particularly important for his supporters. And defence for many of the Shadow Cabinet.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOO5S4vxi0oRobD said:Have been busy at work, and seemed to have missed all the excitement. On a scale of 0-10, how good is this for PB Tories?
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If its against the UK, US or Israel yes, yes you can both be a pacifist and a supporter of violence.TudorRose said:
Do pacificists support 'armed struggles'?AndyJS said:John McDonnell in his own words:
"It's about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table. The peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA."
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2003/may/30/northernireland.devolution
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That is not a recent attitude. W.S. Gilbert wrote, "... the idiot who praises, with enthusiastic tone, All centuries but this, and every country but his own" (Poo Bah's list song in the Mikado) in 1885.Malmesbury said:
You should read the essay by Orwell on nationalism -TudorRose said:
Do pacificists support 'armed struggles'?AndyJS said:John McDonnell in his own words:
"It's about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table. The peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA."
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2003/may/30/northernireland.devolution
http://theorwellprize.co.uk/george-orwell/by-orwell/essays-and-other-works/notes-on-nationalism/
particularly "Negative Nationalism" - take a Tory, reflect in a mirror (as it were) and there you are. The important bit is anything anti-your-country is good/better.0 -
The 300? How many have the pecs to play that role?numbertwelve said:There must now be a good chance of a new Gang of Four (or 100?!) quitting the Labour Party?
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I really should go to bed as I've got quite an early Dr's appointment in morning... But you just can't look away from it can you?
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Daniel Hamilton
@danielrhamilton
Jeremy Corbyn was supposed to be on Marr this morning and withdrew. Has just done the same with Today tomorrow. Hiding from the press?0 -
Maybe Corbyn doesn't think he needs a shadow for defence.0
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The party that has a problem with economic credibility is basically now endorsing Marxism.Plato_Says said:Sunder Katwala
@sundersays
Cor-blimey: John McDonnell is Shadow Chancellor. His Who's Who hobby? "Fermenting the overthrow of capitalism"0 -
imagine the reaction of the regulars in a North London gastropub ( the Oxford or maybe the junction tavern) if it started showing the football on sky, stopped serving food, replaced the local micro brewerys ale with fosters, and employed a tarty 40 something barmaid who read the sun...
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Can anyone confirm this is true, appalling mistake if it is.
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Tom Fenton @TommyF124 3m3 minutes ago
Corbyn has cancelled his BBC Radio 4 appearance for tomorrow.0 -
I would have thought when considering who to appoint to the communities brief, the most important disqualifying question would be "have they insulted entire races"?0
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I didn't rate him, originally most here were for Kendall, some for Burnham, and one or two for Yvette, in the beginning I was on my own personal protest island. Burnham was seen as the most voter friendly by HYUFD and OGH, OGH then turned to Cooper by the end but still voted for Kendall.glw said:
It's hard to believe that only a few months ago some people actually rated him, now he looks like a total joke.SquareRoot said:No surprise here. OGH said Burnham was a loser, prostituting his beliefs for a job in Corbyn's shadow cabinet.. unedifying.
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If someone had written a farce about how this would turn out (as it is turning out) it would never have got to be screened as too implausible.,
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If we had PR then we may well have had a Con-UKIP coalition and Labour would still be the main opposition, though the Lib Dems would still have a lot more than eight MPs as a fourth force.edmundintokyo said:Stating the obvious here but Britain really needs a PR voting system so that there's an actual opposition when the biggest opposition party gets into a funny mood.
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Polls? Where we're going we don't need polls...SimonStClare said:
I don’t think a honeymoon period will even register, - didn’t the polls immediately drop 6 points on the news of a Corbyn victory?Plato_Says said:Will this be the shortest political honeymoon on record?
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Maybe, but he can afford to be maverick during a period already expected to be chaotic for him. If he never goes on such things, then it would be very weird.Plato_Says said:Daniel Hamilton
@danielrhamilton
Jeremy Corbyn was supposed to be on Marr this morning and withdrew. Has just done the same with Today tomorrow. Hiding from the press?
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What were the Diane Abbott race quotes?0
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That good, huh?CornishBlue said:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOO5S4vxi0oRobD said:Have been busy at work, and seemed to have missed all the excitement. On a scale of 0-10, how good is this for PB Tories?
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Yes. It does rather bring it home, doesn't it...:-((TheScreamingEagles said:I'm glad Roy Mason is no longer alive to see this.
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Perhaps he wanted to brew his own piss up - I assume he meant formentingglw said:
The party that has a problem with economic credibility is basically now endorsing Marxism.Plato_Says said:Sunder Katwala
@sundersays
Cor-blimey: John McDonnell is Shadow Chancellor. His Who's Who hobby? "Fermenting the overthrow of capitalism"0 -
The most common comment I got canvassing was they are all the same.
Not now clear water between Tories and a more equal society is on offer while ever Corbyn remains.
Lets see if Labour are wiped out or gain ground as a result of the clear water.
PB Tories are 100% certain the public will not like Jezza policies.
I am not sure which way this will go.
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PMQs to withdraw from on Wednesday, what's on Tuesday?Plato_Says said:Daniel Hamilton
@danielrhamilton
Jeremy Corbyn was supposed to be on Marr this morning and withdrew. Has just done the same with Today tomorrow. Hiding from the press?0 -
I think he is boycotting the BBC.fitalass said:Can anyone confirm this is true, appalling mistake if it is.
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Tom Fenton @TommyF124 3m3 minutes ago
Corbyn has cancelled his BBC Radio 4 appearance for tomorrow.0 -
Orwell's genius was not in original ideas - but in pithy, clearly worded explanations of what he saw. His essay are magnificent.HurstLlama said:
That is not a recent attitude. W.S. Gilbert wrote, "... the idiot who praises, with enthusiastic tone, All centuries but this, and every country but his own" (Poo Bah's list song in the Mikado) in 1885.Malmesbury said:
You should read the essay by Orwell on nationalism -TudorRose said:
Do pacificists support 'armed struggles'?AndyJS said:John McDonnell in his own words:
"It's about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table. The peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA."
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2003/may/30/northernireland.devolution
http://theorwellprize.co.uk/george-orwell/by-orwell/essays-and-other-works/notes-on-nationalism/
particularly "Negative Nationalism" - take a Tory, reflect in a mirror (as it were) and there you are. The important bit is anything anti-your-country is good/better.
Yes, it has long been so. Hence the popularity of Sparta among the intellectuals of Athens (Socrates pupils)....0 -
The BBC should empty chair Corbyn and broadcast 10 minutes of silence.0
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There was a great quote on the radio this morning, I think from Ian Austin, that Labour offered the country egg and chips in May, the country said "no thanks", and they've come back with double egg and chips.isam said:imagine the reaction of the regulars in a North London gastropub ( the Oxford or maybe the junction tavern) if it started showing the football on sky, stopped serving food, replaced the local micro brewerys ale with fosters, and employed a tarty 40 something barmaid....
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Any Labour members still on board?0
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That's what I mean, either the LibDems would pick up the slack or Labour would split.david_herdson said:
If we had PR then we may well have had a Con-UKIP coalition and Labour would still be the main opposition, though the Lib Dems would still have a lot more than eight MPs as a fourth force.edmundintokyo said:Stating the obvious here but Britain really needs a PR voting system so that there's an actual opposition when the biggest opposition party gets into a funny mood.
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He probably failed to realise how late he'd get to bed.SquareRoot said:The BBC should empty chair Corbyn and broadcast 10 minutes of silence.
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They're on her wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diane_Abbottalex. said:
What were the Diane Abbott race quotes?
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Spam Spam Egg and Spamglw said:
There was a great quote on the radio this morning, I think from Ian Austin, that Labour offered the country egg and chips in May, the country said "no thanks", and they've come back with double egg and chips.isam said:imagine the reaction of the regulars in a North London gastropub ( the Oxford or maybe the junction tavern) if it started showing the football on sky, stopped serving food, replaced the local micro brewerys ale with fosters, and employed a tarty 40 something barmaid....
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