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If Corbyn is toppled I would now make Benn favourite to succeed him as leader before 2020. He is moderate enough to appeal to Blairites and Brownites, while also serving Corbyn in his Shadow Cabinet as Shadow Foreign Secretary and an experienced hand who was a Cabinet Minister too, his last name would also mean he would automatically get the left back on board after any coup. So Hilary Benn to be Labour's Michael Howard in 2017/18 if the polls fail to lift? You heard it here firstTGOHF said:Benn is shadow foreign sec - Lolza.
Burnam shad home.
Laura K tweets.0 -
And remaining in the EU is a risk free option? The EU have not exactly shown themselves to be competent recently.Philip_Thompson said:
This is the kind of BS argument that leads to the false conclusion that Conservatives can never win an election as business people are a small number.Speedy said:
It is though, you are forgetting that pro-EU businessmen are few in numbers probably around 10 thousand, that's a drop in the bucket.Philip_Thompson said:
That's remarkably over-simplistic. There is a huge portion of Conservative 'interested in business' people as just one other group of In supporters.Speedy said:
Absolutely, the core support for IN is among the young and Labour voters whom they now look to Corbyn for spiritual guidance.viewcode said:
Sure about that?Speedy said:...without Corbyn's support Cameron would not be able to win his referendum...
According to the latest polls support for OUT is greater than 60% among over 60's and support for IN is greater than 70% among those under 30, if the young and the lefties swing from IN to OUT there is no group left to overwhelmingly support IN apart from the LD.
However overall the primary group of In is the risk-averse who will see Out as a jump too far. They are not going to be tempted to switch by Corbyn which is why Corbyn is neither that relevant to the EU Referendum nor will he win a General Election.
If the core support for In was the young and Labour then Out would be overwhelming favourites rather than outsiders.
The proportion of those who wish to remain in the EU and voted Labour last time is 1/3 rd of the total and the largest block for IN from a political party, and from those under 35 the share is 37% of the IN vote, predominantly Corbyn voters.
Even geographically the IN voters predominantly come from Corbyn areas like London, the North, and Scotland.
http://survation.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Final-MoS-September-Tables-1c0d0h4.pdf
Corbyn's ace card against Cameron is that he can sway his block from IN to OUT if he wishes.
That may be true, but people who rely on having sustainable jobs are a massive number. The reason business leaders for Conservatives works as a voting issue isn't because of the (relatively small number of) business leaders alone but because people think its risky for their employment and their career.
The number one card that Remain in the EU has is employment. The number one card Leave the EU has is migration. Youth vote is pretty inconsequential to the main debate - as will be Corbyn.
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hi Estobar (if it is really you).Estobar said:
Wow you're a humble sort of a guy. But that's as much name calling as I'm doing. You carry on with the playground stuff.SeanT said:
The reaction of the political establishment is going to fuel the anti-establishment Corbyn agenda all the more. I think he's tapping into a groundswell against vested interests that has been building for a long time. The more people like Mandleson carry on fanning the flames, the more it's going to grow.
Russell Brand has 1m subscribers to his youtube channel. Let's say that 30% of them think he's funny (can't see it myself but hey), 30% of them subscribed and can't remember that they did, and then 40% of them believe in his political vision, such as it is.
That's 400,000 people. There's your groundswell. They have recently noticed that The Labour Party is now a host for their views and have migrated there.
400,000 idealists/lunatics does not a serious, grown-up political force make.0 -
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Mrs May will eat him alive.dr_spyn said:
The Staggers @TheStaggers 2m2 minutes ago
Confirmed: Burnham becomes shadow home secretary and Hilary Benn remains shadow foreign secretary. http://bit.ly/1KLU7AI0 -
Charlie is a bit of a surprise. As is having the shadow Justice Secretary in the Lords. How's he going to hold Gove to account from there?0
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Creagh returning to back benches as well....
If it keeps going like this then the tea lady at Islington council may be in with a shout for a ShadCab position.0 -
BBC reporting that Ian Murray has decided to stick in his post
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That's a big promotion for Heidi Alexander. Can't say I've of heard of her.0
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With Andy Burnham as Shadow Home Sec, Theresa May and Michael Gove have it easyDavidL said:Charlie is a bit of a surprise. As is having the shadow Justice Secretary in the Lords. How's he going to hold Gove to account from there?
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"He's not an arch Blairite. He backed Burnham"
Between you and me, only one of us actually knows Charlie !0 -
From POTUS campaign of 2000!Danny565 said:
Am I really dense to not be understanding this?!Sunil_Prasannan said:
Sore-Loserman!
Gore-Liebermann > Sore-Loserman
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Possibly yeah. Or to the LD's if they step to the left ( likely ). Full blown full fat caffeine defections to the Tories is v probably a step too far in a national level.YBarddCwsc said:
A more recent example is John Marek, who went from Labour -> Wales Forward -> Conservative.welshowl said:
Think a bloke called Reg Prentice defected in about 78. MP for Daventry? Think Mrs T made him minister for the disabled ( as it then was called ) in 79.
It seems to me that deselections are inevitable, as the PLP does not reflect the membership.
In that circumstance, I think we will see some defections, at least to Independent Labour.
Didn't know about Marek's history.0 -
Next time I see Reek on the news, I'm going to count his fingers...Slackbladder said:
Maybe Corybn has his **** in a box somewhere....viewcode said:
Andy Burnham showing the backbone and good judge of character for which he is justly famous....TheScreamingEagles said:@SkyNewsBreak: Sky Sources: Andy Burnham, Hilary Benn and Angela Eagle expected to remain in Jeremy Corbyn's shadow cabinet
Can we just call him "Reek" now and get it over with?0 -
The youth vote according to that survey you quoted is only 38.7% 10/10 to turnout to vote.Speedy said:
The youth vote is 37% of IN voters by far the largest demographic block, it's a nice theory that you don't need them but since it's the only group that supports in it's majority IN, then you can't afford to lose them.Philip_Thompson said:This is the kind of BS argument that leads to the false conclusion that Conservatives can never win an election as business people are a small number.
That may be true, but people who rely on having sustainable jobs are a massive number. The reason business leaders for Conservatives works as a voting issue isn't because of the (relatively small number of) business leaders alone but because people think its risky for their employment and their career.
The number one card that Remain in the EU has is employment. The number one card Leave the EU has is migration. Youth vote is pretty inconsequential to the main debate - as will be Corbyn.
And that's by incorporating people like myself (33) in that age group. The youth vote as in 18-24 is quite different to people in their thirties.
If In relies critically on an age group that won't vote then they've already lost.0 -
Well done. It is now going smoothly. Ambition wins in the end. A few could become irrelevant in a couple of years due to their high risk strategy.Dair said:BBC reporting that Ian Murray has decided to stick in his post
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Quite. Maybe that didn't cross his mind or was just getting desperate?
I thought Emily Smugberry was nailed on for that jobbie.DavidL said:Charlie is a bit of a surprise. As is having the shadow Justice Secretary in the Lords. How's he going to hold Gove to account from there?
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Did he have any choice? He's the only Scottish Labour MP.Dair said:BBC reporting that Ian Murray has decided to stick in his post
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Non EU activity.isam said:
What makes the Tories "anti immigration"? We have had over 5 years of a Tory PM, and it is at record levels.chestnut said:
Pro EU - Pro Immigration: Lib DemsJonathan said:If Labour go anti EU, that's good news for the LDs who finally gain a raison d'etre.
Pro EU - Anti Immigration: Tories
Anti-EU - Pro Immigration: Labour
Anti EU - Anti Immigration: UKIP
Labour's would probably be the worst position of the lot.
If we can try to put aside the need to be seen to be right here, I can't imagine how if you tried to explain to an alien (!) that the Tories were "anti immigration", he or she would be able to understand that in the face of the evidence
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True. But don't you think to be an arch-Blairite he should really have backed the Blairite candidate? Which would suggest he was more Blair, than Blairite?surbiton said:"He's not an arch Blairite. He backed Burnham"
Between you and me, only one of us actually knows Charlie !
But i'll defer to your personal knowledge.0 -
Excellent planning for a Zombie apocalypse, or a Corbyn one which is slightly more unlikely!TheScreamingEagles said:
A helicopterPhilip_Thompson said:
Get any nice presents?TheScreamingEagles said:
It was my birthday yesterdayTOPPING said:
I've been busy over the weekend, other stuff, real life, etc.Richard_Nabavi said:I've been rather busy with other things for the last few days, but I'd just like to check that politicalbetting.com has sent a formal note of thanks to the Labour Party not only for the entertainment of the last few months, but more importantly for the highly profitable betting opportunities.
Dare we hope for another go in a couple of years' time?
Did I miss anything while I've been away?
Very true. If Jezza lines up for Out, then sensible folk may react by voting In.Philip_Thompson said:
I don't agree whatsoever. The youth vote in a referendum could be key if it is close but it is probably inconsequential. Turnout in the youth vote is notoriously low (as well as being demographically low).Danny565 said:
The youth vote is not sufficient on its own for "In" to win, but it is necessary.Philip_Thompson said:
That's remarkably over-simplistic. There is a huge portion of Conservative 'interested in business' people as just one other group of In supporters.Speedy said:
Absolutely, the core support for IN is among the young and Labour voters whom they now look to Corbyn for spiritual guidance.viewcode said:
Sure about that?Speedy said:...without Corbyn's support Cameron would not be able to win his referendum...
According to the latest polls support for OUT is greater than 60% among over 60's and support for IN is greater than 70% among those under 30, if the young and the lefties swing from IN to OUT there is no group left to overwhelmingly support IN apart from the LD.
However overall the primary group of In is the risk-averse who will see Out as a jump too far. They are not going to be tempted to switch by Corbyn which is why Corbyn is neither that relevant to the EU Referendum nor will he win a General Election.
If the core support for In was the young and Labour then Out would be overwhelming favourites rather than outsiders.
For In to win it is necessary to appear to be the low risk (versus the risky Out) option. For the mature sensible option to be to Remain in Europe, while leaving will be a risky and divisive move. Having Corbyn join the ranks of Out while moderate Labourites are saying In could help more than hurt the In campaign.0 -
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Paul Brand
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Interestingly, one of these appointments was sneering to me about Corbyn just yesterday.0 -
Yvette Cooper chairing a task force on refugees.0
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Well, well, well ! In the end it seems JC faced them down and won !0
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Heidi Hi.0
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That is on the up as well isn't it?chestnut said:
Non EU activity.isam said:
What makes the Tories "anti immigration"? We have had over 5 years of a Tory PM, and it is at record levels.chestnut said:
Pro EU - Pro Immigration: Lib DemsJonathan said:If Labour go anti EU, that's good news for the LDs who finally gain a raison d'etre.
Pro EU - Anti Immigration: Tories
Anti-EU - Pro Immigration: Labour
Anti EU - Anti Immigration: UKIP
Labour's would probably be the worst position of the lot.
If we can try to put aside the need to be seen to be right here, I can't imagine how if you tried to explain to an alien (!) that the Tories were "anti immigration", he or she would be able to understand that in the face of the evidence0 -
Corkscrew CharliePlato_Says said:Laura Kuenssberg @bbclaurak
Shadow Health, Heidi Alexander, Lord Falconer, Shadow Justice Secreatry0 -
IN already relies on that, that's how IN and OUT is close in the polls, if IN didn't had 70%+ among the young OUT would have been miles away.Philip_Thompson said:
The youth vote according to that survey you quoted is only 38.7% 10/10 to turnout to vote.Speedy said:
The youth vote is 37% of IN voters by far the largest demographic block, it's a nice theory that you don't need them but since it's the only group that supports in it's majority IN, then you can't afford to lose them.Philip_Thompson said:This is the kind of BS argument that leads to the false conclusion that Conservatives can never win an election as business people are a small number.
That may be true, but people who rely on having sustainable jobs are a massive number. The reason business leaders for Conservatives works as a voting issue isn't because of the (relatively small number of) business leaders alone but because people think its risky for their employment and their career.
The number one card that Remain in the EU has is employment. The number one card Leave the EU has is migration. Youth vote is pretty inconsequential to the main debate - as will be Corbyn.
And that's by incorporating people like myself (33) in that age group. The youth vote as in 18-24 is quite different to people in their thirties.
If In relies critically on an age group that won't vote then they've already lost.
The SNP lost the referendum because it relied on the young.0 -
"And what does my Reek want? To return to the backbenches perhaps?"Slackbladder said:
Maybe Corybn has his **** in a box somewhere....viewcode said:
Andy Burnham showing the backbone and good judge of character for which he is justly famous....TheScreamingEagles said:@SkyNewsBreak: Sky Sources: Andy Burnham, Hilary Benn and Angela Eagle expected to remain in Jeremy Corbyn's shadow cabinet
Can we just call him "Reek" now and get it over with?
Careful, careful, thought Andy. He was treading on thin ice.
"I'm your Reek, M'lord, I only want to serve you. A place in your shadow cabinet will suffice."
"And you shall have it" said Jeremy, smiling. He was as good as his word, and when Andy was chained up in his kennel, Diane Abbott even brought him half a roasted Capon."0 -
Somebody agrees with you...HYUFD said:
If Corbyn is toppled I would now make Benn favourite to succeed him as leader before 2020. He is moderate enough to appeal to Blairites and Brownites, while also serving Corbyn in his Shadow Cabinet as Shadow Foreign Secretary and an experienced hand who was a Cabinet Minister too, his last name would also mean he would automatically get the left back on board after any coup. So Hilary Benn to be Labour's Michael Howard in 2017/18 if the polls fail to lift? You heard it here firstTGOHF said:Benn is shadow foreign sec - Lolza.
Burnam shad home.
Laura K tweets.0 -
@StigAbell: "Privately, it's a disaster for the Labour Party", said new Shadow Home Secretary Burnham to a Sun undercover reporter about Jeremy Corbyn.0
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Isn't 50% of Jezbollah's cabinet supposed to be women? How's that going?0
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@tnewtondunn: EXCL: Jeremy Corbyn to appoint a Minister for Jews in a bid to defuse criticism of anti-Semitic links; http://t.co/73CKQG7NFo0
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No.TGOHF said:
Cabinet post ?alex. said:Yvette Cooper chairing a task force on refugees.
See:http://news.sky.com/story/1551687/live-updates-corbyn-choosing-shadow-cabinet0 -
George Eaton @georgeeaton
If Eagle does not become shadow chancellor all the great offices of state will be shadowed by men. bit.ly/1KLU7AI0 -
A disaster that those eligible to vote exercised their democratic choice?TGOHF said:@StigAbell: "Privately, it's a disaster for the Labour Party", said new Shadow Home Secretary Burnham to a Sun undercover reporter about Jeremy Corbyn.
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Lord Falconer.Plato_Says said:Paul Brand
@PaulBrandITV
Interestingly, one of these appointments was sneering to me about Corbyn just yesterday.0 -
I didn't judge it as to whether its right or wrong, just as to how the debate will be played out. If remaining in the EU is seen as riskier than leaving then leave will win.MP_SE said:And remaining in the EU is a risk free option? The EU have not exactly shown themselves to be competent recently.
Though I think both sides right now will be looking at Corbyn and be quite OK to see him on the other team's side! Having him on your own side of this EU debate would be a case of "with friends like this ..."0 -
It's JackW, isn't it, having a larf?Alanbrooke said:
how could you not enjoy a poster whose name is an anagram of Arsebot ?MTimT said:
I have to say, Estobar is a wonderfully entertaining addition to PB. reminds me a little of the long departed ben_Malex. said:
"Assuming you are who i think you are"?Estobar said:
Assuming you are who I think you are then why should anyone be listening to what you have to say about the Labour party, Mr Thomas?SeanT said:
Terrible error by Burnham.HYUFD said:
He always said he would stay in the Shadow Cabinet even if Corbyn wonviewcode said:
Andy Burnham showing the backbone and good judge of character for which he is justly famous....TheScreamingEagles said:@SkyNewsBreak: Sky Sources: Andy Burnham, Hilary Benn and Angela Eagle expected to remain in Jeremy Corbyn's shadow cabinet
Can we just call him "Reek" now and get it over with?
Corbyn is looking wobblier by the minute. Even if Jihadist Jez wants to stay until 2020 (and he does) I now reckon he will be gone by 2017 or before. Any MP who agrees to serve in his Shadow Cabinet will be hideously tainted. Tsk.
Next Labour majority? 2035.
I think Andy's right to stick it. Remember everyone that Corbyn was swept in with 60% of the popular vote. Those now removing themselves are unlikely to be popular with rank and file. They're the old new labour guard who are getting expunged as Labour rediscovers its identity after the hideous Blair tory years.
We all know who Sean is, it's not a secret!0 -
Fear not, Diane Abbott's position hasn't yet been announced. May we hope for Shadow Chancellor?saddened said:Isn't 50% of Jezbollah's cabinet supposed to be women? How's that going?
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Seriously?TGOHF said:@tnewtondunn: EXCL: Jeremy Corbyn to appoint a Minister for Jews in a bid to defuse criticism of anti-Semitic links; http://t.co/73CKQG7NFo
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?alex. said:Yvette Cooper chairing a task force on refugees.
With what power to do anything as a back bench opposition MP?0 -
Can we have a Minister for Scifi geeks who love 80s pop music and are also political nerds?TGOHF said:@tnewtondunn: EXCL: Jeremy Corbyn to appoint a Minister for Jews in a bid to defuse criticism of anti-Semitic links; http://t.co/73CKQG7NFo
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Peak Political Election Entertainment?
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Does he still post on PB. Haven't seen him in a while.Slackbladder said:
Even Ben M thinks Corybns a disaster.MTimT said:
I have to say, Estobar is a wonderfully entertaining addition to PB. reminds me a little of the long departed ben_Malex. said:
"Assuming you are who i think you are"?Estobar said:
Assuming you are who I think you are then why should anyone be listening to what you have to say about the Labour party, Mr Thomas?SeanT said:
Terrible error by Burnham.HYUFD said:
He always said he would stay in the Shadow Cabinet even if Corbyn wonviewcode said:
Andy Burnham showing the backbone and good judge of character for which he is justly famous....TheScreamingEagles said:@SkyNewsBreak: Sky Sources: Andy Burnham, Hilary Benn and Angela Eagle expected to remain in Jeremy Corbyn's shadow cabinet
Can we just call him "Reek" now and get it over with?
Corbyn is looking wobblier by the minute. Even if Jihadist Jez wants to stay until 2020 (and he does) I now reckon he will be gone by 2017 or before. Any MP who agrees to serve in his Shadow Cabinet will be hideously tainted. Tsk.
Next Labour majority? 2035.
I think Andy's right to stick it. Remember everyone that Corbyn was swept in with 60% of the popular vote. Those now removing themselves are unlikely to be popular with rank and file. They're the old new labour guard who are getting expunged as Labour rediscovers its identity after the hideous Blair tory years.
We all know who Sean is, it's not a secret!0 -
I really didn't think that my opinion of Andy Burnham could go any lower but I underestimated the man.SeanT said:So Jeremy Corbyn has appointed Andy Burnham as Home Secretary, a man who is ON RECORD as very recently saying that Jeremy Corbyn would be "a disaster" as Labour leader.
Yes. I can't see any problems there. At all. Noooooo. It's all good. All good.
This has been the most politically entertaining weekend of my life.
He probably thinks that he will be in a fairly powerful position because if he resigned over any particular issue the whole thing could unravel.
What am I saying? The credibility of the Shadow Cabinet rests on Burnham? Unbelievable.0 -
Committee for Trainspotting!TheScreamingEagles said:
Can we have a Minister for Scifi geeks who love 80s pop music and are also political nerds?TGOHF said:@tnewtondunn: EXCL: Jeremy Corbyn to appoint a Minister for Jews in a bid to defuse criticism of anti-Semitic links; http://t.co/73CKQG7NFo
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Oh FFS. That just makes it worse.TGOHF said:@tnewtondunn: EXCL: Jeremy Corbyn to appoint a Minister for Jews in a bid to defuse criticism of anti-Semitic links; http://t.co/73CKQG7NFo
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Very good.TCPoliticalBetting said:Alan Sugar speaks about his old party.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwfuPEByvO8
See Cooper gets off light though.0 -
I'd work in that office.TheScreamingEagles said:
Can we have a Minister for Scifi geeks who love 80s pop music and are also political nerds?TGOHF said:@tnewtondunn: EXCL: Jeremy Corbyn to appoint a Minister for Jews in a bid to defuse criticism of anti-Semitic links; http://t.co/73CKQG7NFo
Or Minister for Metal.0 -
That has to be a joke, there is no way this can actually be being considered by Jezza.TGOHF said:@tnewtondunn: EXCL: Jeremy Corbyn to appoint a Minister for Jews in a bid to defuse criticism of anti-Semitic links; http://t.co/73CKQG7NFo
Isn't the point of Ministries that they deal with issues?
So in Corbynistan, Jews are an "issue" that needs dealt with.0 -
Minister for Jews? Minister for Israel? Or Minister for Zionists?
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I occasionally chat to him on twitter, he said he wanted to take a break away from politics after the events in May. Whilst the result was not unexpected to him, he still didn't enjoy it.MTimT said:
Does he still post on PB. Haven't seen him in a while.Slackbladder said:
Even Ben M thinks Corybns a disaster.MTimT said:
I have to say, Estobar is a wonderfully entertaining addition to PB. reminds me a little of the long departed ben_Malex. said:
"Assuming you are who i think you are"?Estobar said:
Assuming you are who I think you are then why should anyone be listening to what you have to say about the Labour party, Mr Thomas?SeanT said:
Terrible error by Burnham.HYUFD said:
He always said he would stay in the Shadow Cabinet even if Corbyn wonviewcode said:
Andy Burnham showing the backbone and good judge of character for which he is justly famous....TheScreamingEagles said:@SkyNewsBreak: Sky Sources: Andy Burnham, Hilary Benn and Angela Eagle expected to remain in Jeremy Corbyn's shadow cabinet
Can we just call him "Reek" now and get it over with?
Corbyn is looking wobblier by the minute. Even if Jihadist Jez wants to stay until 2020 (and he does) I now reckon he will be gone by 2017 or before. Any MP who agrees to serve in his Shadow Cabinet will be hideously tainted. Tsk.
Next Labour majority? 2035.
I think Andy's right to stick it. Remember everyone that Corbyn was swept in with 60% of the popular vote. Those now removing themselves are unlikely to be popular with rank and file. They're the old new labour guard who are getting expunged as Labour rediscovers its identity after the hideous Blair tory years.
We all know who Sean is, it's not a secret!
He will be back on PB.0 -
Stephen R Jones @Meliden
Andy Burnham has lost his principles but found a job. Well done Andy from the north.DavidL said:
I really didn't think that my opinion of Andy Burnham could go any lower but I underestimated the man.SeanT said:So Jeremy Corbyn has appointed Andy Burnham as Home Secretary, a man who is ON RECORD as very recently saying that Jeremy Corbyn would be "a disaster" as Labour leader.
Yes. I can't see any problems there. At all. Noooooo. It's all good. All good.
This has been the most politically entertaining weekend of my life.
He probably thinks that he will be in a fairly powerful position because if he resigned over any particular issue the whole thing could unravel.
What am I saying? The credibility of the Shadow Cabinet rests on Burnham? Unbelievable.0 -
Office for Zombie Apocalypse Planning. OfZAPTheScreamingEagles said:
Can we have a Minister for Scifi geeks who love 80s pop music and are also political nerds?TGOHF said:@tnewtondunn: EXCL: Jeremy Corbyn to appoint a Minister for Jews in a bid to defuse criticism of anti-Semitic links; http://t.co/73CKQG7NFo
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Dan Jarvis on AQ still showed he has it in him to be leader. I think Lab could learn some ruthlessness from his SEMOD approach.viewcode said:
Somebody agrees with you...HYUFD said:
If Corbyn is toppled I would now make Benn favourite to succeed him as leader before 2020. He is moderate enough to appeal to Blairites and Brownites, while also serving Corbyn in his Shadow Cabinet as Shadow Foreign Secretary and an experienced hand who was a Cabinet Minister too, his last name would also mean he would automatically get the left back on board after any coup. So Hilary Benn to be Labour's Michael Howard in 2017/18 if the polls fail to lift? You heard it here firstTGOHF said:Benn is shadow foreign sec - Lolza.
Burnam shad home.
Laura K tweets.
Very nearly squared the circle of calling for unity while stating he wouldn't support Jezza.
All Lab supporters want (presumably?) is a sensible person with a heart who goes in to bat for the needy, eschews the priveleged, constructs policies which reflect this but doesn't go crazy with it, and comes from the real world. Not too many of those around atm but he is one.
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ITV news
Abbot says the PLP will want to rally behind Corbyn.
Labour Party Split nailed on0 -
There's already a Minister for Portsmouth
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No a disaster in that they will be in perpetual opposition.Sunil_Prasannan said:
A disaster that those eligible to vote exercised their democratic choice?TGOHF said:@StigAbell: "Privately, it's a disaster for the Labour Party", said new Shadow Home Secretary Burnham to a Sun undercover reporter about Jeremy Corbyn.
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I miss AshMTimT said:
I have to say, Estobar is a wonderfully entertaining addition to PB. reminds me a little of the long departed ben_Malex. said:
"Assuming you are who i think you are"?Estobar said:
Assuming you are who I think you are then why should anyone be listening to what you have to say about the Labour party, Mr Thomas?SeanT said:
Terrible error by Burnham.HYUFD said:
He always said he would stay in the Shadow Cabinet even if Corbyn wonviewcode said:
Andy Burnham showing the backbone and good judge of character for which he is justly famous....TheScreamingEagles said:@SkyNewsBreak: Sky Sources: Andy Burnham, Hilary Benn and Angela Eagle expected to remain in Jeremy Corbyn's shadow cabinet
Can we just call him "Reek" now and get it over with?
Corbyn is looking wobblier by the minute. Even if Jihadist Jez wants to stay until 2020 (and he does) I now reckon he will be gone by 2017 or before. Any MP who agrees to serve in his Shadow Cabinet will be hideously tainted. Tsk.
Next Labour majority? 2035.
I think Andy's right to stick it. Remember everyone that Corbyn was swept in with 60% of the popular vote. Those now removing themselves are unlikely to be popular with rank and file. They're the old new labour guard who are getting expunged as Labour rediscovers its identity after the hideous Blair tory years.
We all know who Sean is, it's not a secret!
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Will they push foward policies that help identify who are jews? Muslims have the niqab etc so maybe Labour will conclude that jews need a sign on their clothing?TGOHF said:@tnewtondunn: EXCL: Jeremy Corbyn to appoint a Minister for Jews in a bid to defuse criticism of anti-Semitic links; http://t.co/73CKQG7NFo
Innocent face.
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Tom Bradby on ITV. There may be an official split in the Labour Party. Back to the future.0
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Even if it's 50% by weight she won't be enough, as Tom Watson will be in it as well.Richard_Nabavi said:
Fear not, Diane Abbott's position hasn't yet been announced. May we hope for Shadow Chancellor?saddened said:Isn't 50% of Jezbollah's cabinet supposed to be women? How's that going?
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When I become the country's first Directly Elected Dictator, you will be appointed Secretary of State for Preparing for the Zombie ApocalypseDaemonBarber said:
Office for Zombie Apocalypse Planning. OfZAPTheScreamingEagles said:
Can we have a Minister for Scifi geeks who love 80s pop music and are also political nerds?TGOHF said:@tnewtondunn: EXCL: Jeremy Corbyn to appoint a Minister for Jews in a bid to defuse criticism of anti-Semitic links; http://t.co/73CKQG7NFo
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Down boy!JohnLilburne said:
Even if it's 50% by weight she won't be enough, as Tom Watson will be in it as well.Richard_Nabavi said:
Fear not, Diane Abbott's position hasn't yet been announced. May we hope for Shadow Chancellor?saddened said:Isn't 50% of Jezbollah's cabinet supposed to be women? How's that going?
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Maybe there will be a minister for each ethnic minority.oxfordsimon said:
Oh FFS. That just makes it worse.TGOHF said:@tnewtondunn: EXCL: Jeremy Corbyn to appoint a Minister for Jews in a bid to defuse criticism of anti-Semitic links; http://t.co/73CKQG7NFo
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Right now I could post that Corbyn has appointed Diane Abbott as Shadow Chancellor and that wouldn't sound outlandish
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I'm awaiting news of the Shadow to that post with bated breath.Sunil_Prasannan said:There's already a Minister for Portsmouth
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A minister to monitor these dodgy people?TGOHF said:@tnewtondunn: EXCL: Jeremy Corbyn to appoint a Minister for Jews in a bid to defuse criticism of anti-Semitic links; http://t.co/73CKQG7NFo
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Presumably Gerald Kaufman a potential candidate for the Jewish job?0
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Yes, very sharp article, get your money on Hilary Benn, if it goes balls up for Corbyn he will be the man left picking up the pieces and carrying Labour through to 2020viewcode said:
Somebody agrees with you...HYUFD said:
If Corbyn is toppled I would now make Benn favourite to succeed him as leader before 2020. He is moderate enough to appeal to Blairites and Brownites, while also serving Corbyn in his Shadow Cabinet as Shadow Foreign Secretary and an experienced hand who was a Cabinet Minister too, his last name would also mean he would automatically get the left back on board after any coup. So Hilary Benn to be Labour's Michael Howard in 2017/18 if the polls fail to lift? You heard it here firstTGOHF said:Benn is shadow foreign sec - Lolza.
Burnam shad home.
Laura K tweets.
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Ian Baxter @IanBaxter66
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Heidi Alexander?
Only seen her once - but she seemed disarmingly normal.
Interesting. I liked her.0 -
What's left amongst the main gigs?
Chancellor, Treasury Sec, Defence, Work & Pensions, Business, any other big ones?0 -
I'm waiting for the scene where Jeremy Corbyn asks him to shave him...Sean_F said:
"And what does my Reek want? To return to the backbenches perhaps?"Slackbladder said:
Maybe Corybn has his **** in a box somewhere....viewcode said:
Andy Burnham showing the backbone and good judge of character for which he is justly famous....TheScreamingEagles said:@SkyNewsBreak: Sky Sources: Andy Burnham, Hilary Benn and Angela Eagle expected to remain in Jeremy Corbyn's shadow cabinet
Can we just call him "Reek" now and get it over with?
Careful, careful, thought Andy. He was treading on thin ice.
"I'm your Reek, M'lord, I only want to serve you. A place in your shadow cabinet will suffice."
"And you shall have it" said Jeremy, smiling. He was as good as his word, and when Andy was chained up in his kennel, Diane Abbott even brought him half a roasted Capon."
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My friend the Labour activist has just texted me in despair.
"The only way this could get any worse was if Corbyn said the UK deserved to be attacked by ISIS"0 -
I'm reminded of the crucifixion scene in the Life if Brian where they all start shouting they want execution with their own minority. Rather apt really.JohnLilburne said:
Maybe there will be a minister for each ethnic minority.oxfordsimon said:
Oh FFS. That just makes it worse.TGOHF said:@tnewtondunn: EXCL: Jeremy Corbyn to appoint a Minister for Jews in a bid to defuse criticism of anti-Semitic links; http://t.co/73CKQG7NFo
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Educashun?Richard_Nabavi said:What's left amongst the main gigs?
Chancellor, Treasury Sec, Defence, Work & Pensions, Business, any other big ones?0 -
Ah, right - a natural for Dianealex. said:
Educashun?Richard_Nabavi said:What's left amongst the main gigs?
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And other appendages?viewcode said:
Next time I see Reek on the news, I'm going to count his fingers...Slackbladder said:
Maybe Corybn has his **** in a box somewhere....viewcode said:
Andy Burnham showing the backbone and good judge of character for which he is justly famous....TheScreamingEagles said:@SkyNewsBreak: Sky Sources: Andy Burnham, Hilary Benn and Angela Eagle expected to remain in Jeremy Corbyn's shadow cabinet
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I think you are in good company in missing the point. Faulkner is Minister for Question Time. (The BBC one lest there be any doubt).Plato_Says said:Quite. Maybe that didn't cross his mind or was just getting desperate?
I thought Emily Smugberry was nailed on for that jobbie.DavidL said:Charlie is a bit of a surprise. As is having the shadow Justice Secretary in the Lords. How's he going to hold Gove to account from there?
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Give him time.TheScreamingEagles said:My friend the Labour activist has just texted me in despair.
"The only way this could get any worse was if Corbyn said the UK deserved to be attacked by ISIS"
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Presumably they'll be a minister for the Monarchy?0
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It's Sun spin, it's not a Minister for Jews, but Minister for Equalities and Faith Minorities0
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"Corbyn has appeared as a guest on Russia Today, and in a tweet urged followers to watch the station, arguing it provides a more "objective" coverage of world affairs than Western media."
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Jews is still to be filled, I think, unless I missed it.Richard_Nabavi said:What's left amongst the main gigs?
Chancellor, Treasury Sec, Defence, Work & Pensions, Business, any other big ones?0 -
Dale: Shadow Cabinet reshuffle going well so far. Appointments 0 Resignations/Sackings 12.
What happens when the shadow cabinet reaches a negative number?0 -
Rather good stuff from Tony Parsons http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/comment/articles/2015-09/12/tony-parsons-voting-conservative
Like millions of others, I joined the ranks of reluctant Conservatives at the last election. To the haters on the left, I have sold my soul and turned to the dark side. And I'll do it again, because the left has nothing to offer. Here comes the abuse...
This is That Tony Parsons who wrote for the Mirror for 25yrs.
I first realised that I was Tory scum on the weekend after the general election. The losing side was throwing a terrible tantrum. "F*** TORY SCUM", they sprayed on a Whitehall memorial dedicated to the women who fought in the Second World War. Well, that's me, I thought. They are definitely talking about me. Because whatever these people believe, I know that I will always be on the other side.
Like eleven million of my countrymen, I had voted Conservative because the alternative felt indistinguishable from national suicide.0 -
I was right to disbelieve the Sun.TheScreamingEagles said:It's Sun spin, it's not a Minister for Jews, but Minister for Equalities and Faith Minorities
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Corbyn cannot have appointed a minister to deal with the Jewish problem. Nobody is that stupid.0
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George Galloway minister for Jews would be fun0
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Minister for 'Faith Minorities'? So Christians as well, then, right?0
