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You appear to be at odds with Selfie DaveSquareRoot said:
OF course Mandela was never responsible for any terrorist acts, ever. No one ever died because of what Mandela said or did.bigjohnowls said:think they're missing a trick.
A much more significant difference between them is that, while Corbyn was getting arrested for protesting against apartheid, Cameron was off on a publicly funded jolly in South Africa, with the Conservative Party propping up the Botha regime and condemning Nelson Mandela as a terrorist.0 -
Chuka strongly implying Corbyn could well be campaigning for a Leave vote in the EU referendum.0
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This is a Party that has gone quite mad.Plato_Says said:Jim Pickard @PickardJE
Shadow cabinet reshuffle delay because some senior figures refusing to serve if John McDonnell is shadow chancellor. next.ft.com/9d4fd366-5a33-…
Is this how political parties end, not with a whimper, but with a bang?0 -
Cameron was pretty stupid to retweet Fallon's statement. It just doesn't read as well as it sounds (particularly when Fallon says it).felix said:
Don't panic - Surbiton and BJO are manning the Corbyn barricades with the latest twitter storm against Cameron. All is not... wait , actually yes, you're right - Labour are well and truly shafted.tyson said:The Labour Party is in really serious trouble tonight. At the moment it looks like the worst possible scenario.
As much as I like Corbyn's demeanour and way of presenting himself, it is just impossible to think of a political party leader who is so out of tune with 90% of it's MP's.
Fallon has a quite remarkable voice, with a pitch and tenor which suggests comforting gravitas, it is quite a powerful political weapon. It lets him say some absolute nonsense and people believe it. When the same things are written, their ridiculousness becomes apparent.0 -
SouthAfrica was a rich country.. why did Mandela not build some decent towns with proper facilities..the townships are still there and still shitty..he failed the poorest in Africa and the ones who needed it most..but he and Winnie did ok..along with their buddies0
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That would make the tory splits over labour look like a tea party. Labour wouldn't survive it.SouthamObserver said:Chuka strongly implying Corbyn could well be campaigning for a Leave vote in the EU referendum.
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I have threePhilip_Thompson said:
Have you perhaps got an unpublished magnus opus on something that we could discuss?TheScreamingEagles said:I've got a week left as Guest editor left (not that I'm counting or anything)
Any topics/subjects you'd like me to cover?
1) On AV/Electoral reform/House of Lords reform and the Salisbury-Addison convention
2) Why Scottish Independence is in Labour's best interests
3) Analysing the Ashcroft marginal polling (which is close to 4,000 words)0 -
Corbyn's stance on the EU seems a lot more sensible than the Labour heavyweights wanting to shout from the rooftops their love for the EU. I wonder where this leaves Alan Johnson leading Labour's Yes campaign. That shouldn't have been arranged until a new leader was selected.
Edit- Corbyn isn't going to campaign for out, he'll just want a proper debate about it. If we leave it was the Conservatives who called this referendum.0 -
I could see labour breaking apart now.0
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I don't think anyone can quite believe any of this - it's a giant WTF is going on??
Tony loved to shake the kaleidoscope - but this is insane.Sean_F said:
This is a Party that has gone quite mad.Plato_Says said:Jim Pickard @PickardJE
Shadow cabinet reshuffle delay because some senior figures refusing to serve if John McDonnell is shadow chancellor. next.ft.com/9d4fd366-5a33-…
Is this how political parties end, not with a whimper, but with a bang?0 -
Corbyn supporting Leave could be just the boost the Remain campaign is looking for.SouthamObserver said:Chuka strongly implying Corbyn could well be campaigning for a Leave vote in the EU referendum.
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selfie - definition of selfie in English from the Oxford dictionarybigjohnowls said:
Who said taking Selfies I said doing Selfies.saddened said:
Because he was representing HM government, it's really not difficult, unlike not being able differentiate being in someone's selfie, rather than taking one which you seem to be struggling with.bigjohnowls said:
I think you miss the point someone up thread was slagging Mandella. I merely asked why was Cameron at his funeral (presumably not just to get a selfie with ObamaTCPoliticalBetting said:
Yes wife of Labour MP asked Cameron for a pic with Obama and he politely agreedYBarddCwsc said:
Point of accuracy -- wasn’t it Mrs Stephen Kinnock who was doing selfies ?bigjohnowls said:
Is that why Cameron was doing Selfies at his funeral.SquareRoot said:
OF course Mandela was never responsible for any terrorist acts, ever. No one ever died because of what Mandela said or did.bigjohnowls said:think they're missing a trick.
A much more significant difference between them is that, while Corbyn was getting arrested for protesting against apartheid, Cameron was off on a publicly funded jolly in South Africa, with the Conservative Party propping up the Botha regime and condemning Nelson Mandela as a terrorist.
The picture I posted contrasts what the two got up to in the 80;s Corbyn was campaigning against injustice, Cameron was in a group that loved trashing restaurants.
. BJowls sees this as a terrible act.....
Once youve cleared that up perhaps you can clear up why Apartheid was not all bad as some appear to think.
www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/selfie
Definition of selfie in English: noun ( plural selfies ). informal. A photograph that one has taken of oneself, typically one taken with a smartphone or webcam
Single. Person, oneself.... Not group photo. ( perhaps they should have banned the press as well)0 -
Should that be - I can see labour breaking apart, now. ?Slackbladder said:I could see labour breaking apart now.
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If true,good on him.SouthamObserver said:Chuka strongly implying Corbyn could well be campaigning for a Leave vote in the EU referendum.
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@JasonCowleyNS
Corbyn also confirmed to me when I interviewed him that he would not rule out Brexit. To him EU is neoliberal club twitter.com/georgeeaton/st…0 -
That's not my issue with him, I just take issue with the idea, pushed byhis supporters, that being so inflexible that you hold every position consistently for 30 years in what is a complex world which sometimes requires complex solutions and u-turns, is a little concerning. I hope he proves more adaptable than some want him to be among hi sown supporters.OldKingCole said:
Just because he hasn't moved to the right, as middle class people are "supposed" to do! .....JosiasJessop said:
I think unchannelled, unfocussed protesting is silly, if that is what he as doing. Going on marches and shouting mostly achieves little except to make the protesters feel good and disrupt the lives of others.bigjohnowls said:
You think the fact of Corbyn protesting apartheid is being silly?JosiasJessop said:
Cameron was fourteen to twenty-four during the 1980s.bigjohnowls said:
Corbyn was thirty-one to forty-one.
I certainly did some silly things in my teens and early twenties. The difference between Cameron and Corbyn is that Cameron grew out of it, whilst Corbyn continues doing silly things to this day.
He hasn't grown up intellectually, yet Labour have elected him as their leader.
Oh, and for the n'th time today: attacks on Cameron about 'Bullingdon' did not work in 2010 or 2015. They're not going to work in 2020, unless Labour try to link it to another Red Rag-style smear.
20 years later Cameron supported war in Iraq Jezza didnt.
Silly old Jezza grow up
But I was not referring to that, as well you know. Corbyn's atrocious back catalogue is being opened day by day. There is plenty of silliness (and worse) in it.
And yes, he should grow up. It seems as if his mind and opinions have not altered much since he was a teenager.
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Even so, the symbology ...RodCrosby said:
I was going to suggest it myself last week. A practical use of these museum pieces.MTimT said:
It is Sputnik News. Treat as Soviet (deliberate use of this word) propaganda unless confirmed by a respectable source.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:Just seen this linked to on Twitter.
Can it really be true?
http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150913/1026945359/germany-asylum-seekers-buchenwald.html
http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.6757320 -
Yes, my syntax could be better sometimesTudorRose said:
Should that be - I can see labour breaking apart, now. ?Slackbladder said:I could see labour breaking apart now.
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I think this story is a bit premature. Corbyn will have to wait 'til Putin gives him his orders.AndyJS said:
Corbyn supporting Leave could be just the boost the Remain campaign is looking for.SouthamObserver said:Chuka strongly implying Corbyn could well be campaigning for a Leave vote in the EU referendum.
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I read somewhere (labourlist?) that SSoS Scotland was one of two posts that had been filled (inc Chief Whip). Whether he'd actually got Murray to agree or not, i don't know.Dair said:
Just as important is how he can appoint a SSoS Scotland if Ian Murray turns him down.alex. said:I was only half joking earlier when i suggested that the SNP might need to lead for the Opposition in Parliament tomorrow...
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There must be a real chance now that we are going to end up with two Labour parties in the HoC. They may agree on some things but they will have different spokespeople and different views on immigration, the EU, QE, Israel and most economic matters.
This may go beyond the majority of the PLP playing the same destructive and awkward role that Corbyn himself has played for the last 30 years. This is starting to feel like 2 parties.0 -
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Just when you think they have already hit nadir Labour .....Plato_Says said:Jim Pickard @PickardJE
Shadow cabinet reshuffle delay because some senior figures refusing to serve if John McDonnell is shadow chancellor. next.ft.com/9d4fd366-5a33-…0 -
What, nothing on why 1980s pop music is far superior to the crap on the radio now?TheScreamingEagles said:
I have threePhilip_Thompson said:
Have you perhaps got an unpublished magnus opus on something that we could discuss?TheScreamingEagles said:I've got a week left as Guest editor left (not that I'm counting or anything)
Any topics/subjects you'd like me to cover?
1) On AV/Electoral reform/House of Lords reform and the Salisbury-Addison convention
2) Why Scottish Independence is in Labour's best interests
3) Analysing the Ashcroft marginal polling (which is close to 4,000 words)
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Was Apartheid all bad?Moses_ said:
selfie - definition of selfie in English from the Oxford dictionarybigjohnowls said:
Who said taking Selfies I said doing Selfies.saddened said:
Because he was representing HM government, it's really not difficult, unlike not being able differentiate being in someone's selfie, rather than taking one which you seem to be struggling with.bigjohnowls said:
I think you miss the point someone up thread was slagging Mandella. I merely asked why was Cameron at his funeral (presumably not just to get a selfie with ObamaTCPoliticalBetting said:
Yes wife of Labour MP asked Cameron for a pic with Obama and he politely agreedYBarddCwsc said:
Point of accuracy -- wasn’t it Mrs Stephen Kinnock who was doing selfies ?bigjohnowls said:
Is that why Cameron was doing Selfies at his funeral.SquareRoot said:
OF course Mandela was never responsible for any terrorist acts, ever. No one ever died because of what Mandela said or did.bigjohnowls said:think they're missing a trick.
A much more significant difference between them is that, while Corbyn was getting arrested for protesting against apartheid, Cameron was off on a publicly funded jolly in South Africa, with the Conservative Party propping up the Botha regime and condemning Nelson Mandela as a terrorist.
The picture I posted contrasts what the two got up to in the 80;s Corbyn was campaigning against injustice, Cameron was in a group that loved trashing restaurants.
. BJowls sees this as a terrible act.....
Once youve cleared that up perhaps you can clear up why Apartheid was not all bad as some appear to think.
www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/selfie
Definition of selfie in English: noun ( plural selfies ). informal. A photograph that one has taken of oneself, typically one taken with a smartphone or webcam
Single. Person, oneself.... Not group photo. ( perhaps they should have banned the press as well)
A photograph that one has taken of oneself.
Seriously you are still arguing Cameron and Obama were not doing Selfies.
You need some teenage Kids0 -
I didn't think we did between 1997-2001.Slackbladder said:
Umm theyve always had an MP in Scotland.surbiton said:0 -
This debacle really does highlight how utterly moronic the timing of the Labour Leadership Election has been, surely any idiot would know that it would be best for a new leader to be put in place at the end of a parliamentary session or during hiatus, not the week after they return from summer recess.alex. said:
Presumably if enough MPs refuse the whip then SNP become the official opposition.Slackbladder said:Serious question, but what happens if Corbyn simply cant run a opposition?
What actually happens to labour? A split?0 -
Rod thinks they were holiday camps.MTimT said:
Even so, the symbology ...RodCrosby said:
I was going to suggest it myself last week. A practical use of these museum pieces.MTimT said:
It is Sputnik News. Treat as Soviet (deliberate use of this word) propaganda unless confirmed by a respectable source.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:Just seen this linked to on Twitter.
Can it really be true?
http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150913/1026945359/germany-asylum-seekers-buchenwald.html
http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.6757320 -
You have just pole vaulted the shark with that one.Dair said:
Cameron was pretty stupid to retweet Fallon's statement. It just doesn't read as well as it sounds (particularly when Fallon says it).felix said:
Don't panic - Surbiton and BJO are manning the Corbyn barricades with the latest twitter storm against Cameron. All is not... wait , actually yes, you're right - Labour are well and truly shafted.tyson said:The Labour Party is in really serious trouble tonight. At the moment it looks like the worst possible scenario.
As much as I like Corbyn's demeanour and way of presenting himself, it is just impossible to think of a political party leader who is so out of tune with 90% of it's MP's.
Fallon has a quite remarkable voice, with a pitch and tenor which suggests comforting gravitas, it is quite a powerful political weapon. It lets him say some absolute nonsense and people believe it. When the same things are written, their ridiculousness becomes apparent.0 -
The stance of many of the high profile Labour MPs on the EU is quite bizarre. MPs such as Chuka Umunna have stated that there is no conceivable reason why they would ever want to leave the EU. The EU is going from disaster to disaster and they cannot see anything wrong with it.Artist said:Corbyn's stance on the EU seems a lot more sensible than the Labour heavyweights wanting to shout from the rooftops their love for the EU. I wonder where this leaves Alan Johnson leading Labour's Yes campaign. That shouldn't have been arranged until a new leader was selected.
Edit- Corbyn isn't going to campaign for out, he'll just want a proper debate about. If we leave it was the Conservatives who called this referendum.
I think Corbyn would likely campaign to stay in the EU, however, if there was a weakening of employees rights, could see him campaigning to leave. As Dave is avoiding renegotiating anything to do with workers rights this should not be an issue.
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And if so why?TudorRose said:
Should that be - I can see labour breaking apart, now. ?Slackbladder said:I could see labour breaking apart now.
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Sean_F said:
This is a Party that has gone quite mad.Plato_Says said:Jim Pickard @PickardJE
Shadow cabinet reshuffle delay because some senior figures refusing to serve if John McDonnell is shadow chancellor. next.ft.com/9d4fd366-5a33-…
Is this how political parties end, not with a whimper, but with a bang?
I think you're talking about something different than I old bean.Dair said:
Cameron was pretty stupid to retweet Fallon's statement. It just doesn't read as well as it sounds (particularly when Fallon says it).felix said:
Don't panic - Surbiton and BJO are manning the Corbyn barricades with the latest twitter storm against Cameron. All is not... wait , actually yes, you're right - Labour are well and truly shafted.tyson said:The Labour Party is in really serious trouble tonight. At the moment it looks like the worst possible scenario.
As much as I like Corbyn's demeanour and way of presenting himself, it is just impossible to think of a political party leader who is so out of tune with 90% of it's MP's.
Fallon has a quite remarkable voice, with a pitch and tenor which suggests comforting gravitas, it is quite a powerful political weapon. It lets him say some absolute nonsense and people believe it. When the same things are written, their ridiculousness becomes apparent.0 -
Yeah, as long as it features Scritti Politti, Five Star, Japan/David Sylvian, Dollar, and ABC.MTimT said:
What, nothing on why 1980s pop music is far superior to the crap on the radio now?TheScreamingEagles said:
I have threePhilip_Thompson said:
Have you perhaps got an unpublished magnus opus on something that we could discuss?TheScreamingEagles said:I've got a week left as Guest editor left (not that I'm counting or anything)
Any topics/subjects you'd like me to cover?
1) On AV/Electoral reform/House of Lords reform and the Salisbury-Addison convention
2) Why Scottish Independence is in Labour's best interests
3) Analysing the Ashcroft marginal polling (which is close to 4,000 words)0 -
MTimT said:
Even so, the symbology ...RodCrosby said:
I was going to suggest it myself last week. A practical use of these museum pieces.MTimT said:
It is Sputnik News. Treat as Soviet (deliberate use of this word) propaganda unless confirmed by a respectable source.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:Just seen this linked to on Twitter.
Can it really be true?
http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150913/1026945359/germany-asylum-seekers-buchenwald.html
http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.6757320 -
Until now I hadn't thought that defections were possible - now I'm not so sure.0
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So a couple on holiday taking a pic of themselves is not a selfie?Moses_ said:
selfie - definition of selfie in English from the Oxford dictionarybigjohnowls said:
Who said taking Selfies I said doing Selfies.saddened said:
Because he was representing HM government, it's really not difficult, unlike not being able differentiate being in someone's selfie, rather than taking one which you seem to be struggling with.bigjohnowls said:
I think you miss the point someone up thread was slagging Mandella. I merely asked why was Cameron at his funeral (presumably not just to get a selfie with ObamaTCPoliticalBetting said:
Yes wife of Labour MP asked Cameron for a pic with Obama and he politely agreedYBarddCwsc said:
Point of accuracy -- wasn’t it Mrs Stephen Kinnock who was doing selfies ?bigjohnowls said:
Is that why Cameron was doing Selfies at his funeral.SquareRoot said:
OF course Mandela was never responsible for any terrorist acts, ever. No one ever died because of what Mandela said or did.bigjohnowls said:think they're missing a trick.
A much more significant difference between them is that, while Corbyn was getting arrested for protesting against apartheid, Cameron was off on a publicly funded jolly in South Africa, with the Conservative Party propping up the Botha regime and condemning Nelson Mandela as a terrorist.
The picture I posted contrasts what the two got up to in the 80;s Corbyn was campaigning against injustice, Cameron was in a group that loved trashing restaurants.
. BJowls sees this as a terrible act.....
Once youve cleared that up perhaps you can clear up why Apartheid was not all bad as some appear to think.
www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/selfie
Definition of selfie in English: noun ( plural selfies ). informal. A photograph that one has taken of oneself, typically one taken with a smartphone or webcam
Single. Person, oneself.... Not group photo. ( perhaps they should have banned the press as well)0 -
Trump sweeps the board with CBS in the 3 early states
Iowa
Trump – 29
Carson – 25
Cruz – 10
Rubio – 6
Walker – 5
Fiorina – 4
Huck – 4
Bush – 3
Santorum – 3
Jindal – 2
Kasich – 2
Paul – 2
Christie – 1
Gilmore – 1
NH
Trump – 40
Carson – 12
Kasich – 9
Fiorina – 8
Bush – 6
Paul – 6
Cruz – 5
Walker – 3
Christie – 2
Rubio – 2
Huck – 1
SC
Trump – 36
Carson – 21
Cruz – 6
Bush – 5
Graham – 5
Kasich – 4
Fiorina – 3
Huck – 3
Rubio – 3
Walker – 3
Christie – 2
Jindal – 1
Paul – 1
Santorum – 1
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/battleground-tracker-trump-leads-gop-field-in-ia-nh-sc/0 -
The sarcasm...it is too powerful...I cannot take it.SouthamObserver said:
Whoever would have thought it? This is yet another massive and totally unpredictable twist in the tale of an extraordinary summer.tyson said:The Labour Party is in really serious trouble tonight. At the moment it looks like the worst possible scenario.
As much as I like Corbyn's demeanour and way of presenting himself, it is just impossible to think of a political party leader who is so out of tune with 90% of it's MP's.
I'd assumed as an anti-capitalist, anti-western, serially disloyal friend of anti-semites, terrorists and gay-haters Jeremy Corby would act as a unifying figure in whose shadow cabinet mainstream Labour MPs would feel very happy to sit.
More seriously, Labour members apparently love or don't care about those things, even forgiving for the poor competition Corbyn had in driving them to him. Surely some will be willing to bite their tongues for the sake of the members?0 -
Rip, Rig and Panic?AndyJS said:
Yeah, as long as it features Scritti Politti, Five Star, Japan/David Sylvian, Dollar, and ABC.MTimT said:
What, nothing on why 1980s pop music is far superior to the crap on the radio now?TheScreamingEagles said:
I have threePhilip_Thompson said:
Have you perhaps got an unpublished magnus opus on something that we could discuss?TheScreamingEagles said:I've got a week left as Guest editor left (not that I'm counting or anything)
Any topics/subjects you'd like me to cover?
1) On AV/Electoral reform/House of Lords reform and the Salisbury-Addison convention
2) Why Scottish Independence is in Labour's best interests
3) Analysing the Ashcroft marginal polling (which is close to 4,000 words)0 -
Has anyone read the comments on the Guardian's report on Merkel closing her borders tonight. It's like everyone has become a Ukipper and a large number expect Merkel to have to resign. It also like suddenly everyone is agreeing with David Cameron to take refugees only from the camps. So much for the luvvies, Corbyn et al wanting us to open our borders0
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Come on, Cameron and Obama were doing selfies with The Danish PM. Leaning in and smiling.bigjohnowls said:
Was Apartheid all bad?Moses_ said:
selfie - definition of selfie in English from the Oxford dictionarybigjohnowls said:
Who said taking Selfies I said doing Selfies.saddened said:
Because he was representing HM government, it's really not difficult, unlike not being able differentiate being in someone's selfie, rather than taking one which you seem to be struggling with.bigjohnowls said:
I think you miss the point someone up thread was slagging Mandella. I merely asked why was Cameron at his funeral (presumably not just to get a selfie with ObamaTCPoliticalBetting said:
Yes wife of Labour MP asked Cameron for a pic with Obama and he politely agreedYBarddCwsc said:
Point of accuracy -- wasn’t it Mrs Stephen Kinnock who was doing selfies ?bigjohnowls said:
Is that why Cameron was doing Selfies at his funeral.SquareRoot said:
OF course Mandela was never responsible for any terrorist acts, ever. No one ever died because of what Mandela said or did.bigjohnowls said:think they're missing a trick.
A much more significant difference between them is that, while Corbyn was getting arrested for protesting against apartheid, Cameron was off on a publicly funded jolly in South Africa, with the Conservative Party propping up the Botha regime and condemning Nelson Mandela as a terrorist.
The picture I posted contrasts what the two got up to in the 80;s Corbyn was campaigning against injustice, Cameron was in a group that loved trashing restaurants.
. BJowls sees this as a terrible act.....
Once youve cleared that up perhaps you can clear up why Apartheid was not all bad as some appear to think.
www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/selfie
Definition of selfie in English: noun ( plural selfies ). informal. A photograph that one has taken of oneself, typically one taken with a smartphone or webcam
Single. Person, oneself.... Not group photo. ( perhaps they should have banned the press as well)
A photograph that one has taken of oneself.
Seriously you are still arguing Cameron and Obama were not doing Selfies.
You need some teenage Kids
BJO's politics are far from mine, but I think he's right about this.
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In other words, it might be possible to have a different opinion today than one had in, for example, February?kle4 said:
That's not my issue with him, I just take issue with the idea, pushed byhis supporters, that being so inflexible that you hold every position consistently for 30 years in what is a complex world which sometimes requires complex solutions and u-turns, is a little concerning. I hope he proves more adaptable than some want him to be among hi sown supporters.0 -
Over those moaning about McDonnell being shadow chancellor, well it can't be Eagle either since she was ridiculed about her statements in 2008 that there was no housing crash when she was Treasury minister.0
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Clearly a terminological minefield. I would say that a couple taking one together is a selfie, as it is for both of them. Participating in someone else's selfie is not the same thing. We must know if she sent the pic on to Obama and Cameron todetermine this!Sunil_Prasannan said:
So a couple on holiday taking a pic of themselves is not a selfie?Moses_ said:
selfie - definition of selfie in English from the Oxford dictionarybigjohnowls said:
Who said taking Selfies I said doing Selfies.saddened said:
Because he was representing HM government, it's really not difficult, unlike not being able differentiate being in someone's selfie, rather than taking one which you seem to be struggling with.bigjohnowls said:
I think you miss the point someone up thread was slagging Mandella. I merely asked why was Cameron at his funeral (presumably not just to get a selfie with ObamaTCPoliticalBetting said:
Yes wife of Labour MP asked Cameron for a pic with Obama and he politely agreedYBarddCwsc said:
Point of accuracy -- wasn’t it Mrs Stephen Kinnock who was doing selfies ?bigjohnowls said:
Is that why Cameron was doing Selfies at his funeral.SquareRoot said:
OF course Mandela was never responsible for any terrorist acts, ever. No one ever died because of what Mandela said or did.bigjohnowls said:think they're missing a trick.
A much more significant difference between them is that, while Corbyn was getting arrested for protesting against apartheid, Cameron was off on a publicly funded jolly in South Africa, with the Conservative Party propping up the Botha regime and condemning Nelson Mandela as a terrorist.
The picture I posted contrasts what the two got up to in the 80;s Corbyn was campaigning against injustice, Cameron was in a group that loved trashing restaurants.
. BJowls sees this as a terrible act.....
Once youve cleared that up perhaps you can clear up why Apartheid was not all bad as some appear to think.
www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/selfie
Definition of selfie in English: noun ( plural selfies ). informal. A photograph that one has taken of oneself, typically one taken with a smartphone or webcam
Single. Person, oneself.... Not group photo. ( perhaps they should have banned the press as well)0 -
Have they not already had the arguments over the seats? Also they have occupied the front bench as well.alex. said:I was only half joking earlier when i suggested that the SNP might need to lead for the Opposition in Parliament tomorrow...
Could always get a few deck chairs out I suppose for the LOTO and what's left of the ShadCab0 -
Appointed carpet baggers. Rifkind for most of the period, IIRC.surbiton said:
It was not.... helpful, to the Tory cause in Scotland.0 -
Presumably it should be a selvesie.Sunil_Prasannan said:
So a couple on holiday taking a pic of themselves is not a selfie?Moses_ said:
selfie - definition of selfie in English from the Oxford dictionarybigjohnowls said:
Who said taking Selfies I said doing Selfies.saddened said:
Because he was representing HM government, it's really not difficult, unlike not being able differentiate being in someone's selfie, rather than taking one which you seem to be struggling with.bigjohnowls said:
I think you miss the point someone up thread was slagging Mandella. I merely asked why was Cameron at his funeral (presumably not just to get a selfie with ObamaTCPoliticalBetting said:
Yes wife of Labour MP asked Cameron for a pic with Obama and he politely agreedYBarddCwsc said:
Point of accuracy -- wasn’t it Mrs Stephen Kinnock who was doing selfies ?bigjohnowls said:
Is that why Cameron was doing Selfies at his funeral.SquareRoot said:
OF course Mandela was never responsible for any terrorist acts, ever. No one ever died because of what Mandela said or did.bigjohnowls said:think they're missing a trick.
A much more significant difference between them is that, while Corbyn was getting arrested for protesting against apartheid, Cameron was off on a publicly funded jolly in South Africa, with the Conservative Party propping up the Botha regime and condemning Nelson Mandela as a terrorist.
The picture I posted contrasts what the two got up to in the 80;s Corbyn was campaigning against injustice, Cameron was in a group that loved trashing restaurants.
. BJowls sees this as a terrible act.....
Once youve cleared that up perhaps you can clear up why Apartheid was not all bad as some appear to think.
www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/selfie
Definition of selfie in English: noun ( plural selfies ). informal. A photograph that one has taken of oneself, typically one taken with a smartphone or webcam
Single. Person, oneself.... Not group photo. ( perhaps they should have banned the press as well)0 -
Yes but corbyn and Unite have got control of the structures and the members - very dangerous times for the centre left. Interesting that the LDs are so quiet - this might be a big opportunity for them if they had a half-decent leader. Never mind eh.DavidL said:There must be a real chance now that we are going to end up with two Labour parties in the HoC. They may agree on some things but they will have different spokespeople and different views on immigration, the EU, QE, Israel and most economic matters.
This may go beyond the majority of the PLP playing the same destructive and awkward role that Corbyn himself has played for the last 30 years. This is starting to feel like 2 parties.0 -
Well, in yet another attempt to be fair... There have always been 2 Labour Parties in the HoC. It just that previously we had Corbyn and his 12 disciples as the protesting shouty rebels with the rest supporting the govt. Now we have Corbyn and his 12 disciples as the govt with the rest as the rebels...DavidL said:There must be a real chance now that we are going to end up with two Labour parties in the HoC. They may agree on some things but they will have different spokespeople and different views on immigration, the EU, QE, Israel and most economic matters.
This may go beyond the majority of the PLP playing the same destructive and awkward role that Corbyn himself has played for the last 30 years. This is starting to feel like 2 parties.0 -
Corbyn isn't going to campaign for out, he'll just want a proper debate about it. If we leave it was the Conservatives who called this referendum.Artist said:Corbyn's stance on the EU seems a lot more sensible than the Labour heavyweights wanting to shout from the rooftops their love for the EU. I wonder where this leaves Alan Johnson leading Labour's Yes campaign. That shouldn't have been arranged until a new leader was selected.
Edit- Corbyn isn't going to campaign for out, he'll just want a proper debate about it. If we leave it was the Conservatives who called this referendum.
so yet another Oppoisition that doesnt oppose.
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Labour MP, Jess Phillips, says she was brought up to "hate" tories. Now Toby Perkins says he "hates" tories and that is the reason he and many of his colleagues came into politics for. What disgusting people they are. But then I've always known who the real nasty party are.
For all their political differences, I have never heard a tory say they "hate" Labour.0 -
Indeed. There must be a serious number of Labour MPs who must be thinking that they cannot stay in this madhouse and would be tempted to find an alternative home.felix said:
Yes but corbyn and Unite have got control of the structures and the members - very dangerous times for the centre left. Interesting that the LDs are so quiet - this might be a big opportunity for them if they had a half-decent leader. Never mind eh.DavidL said:There must be a real chance now that we are going to end up with two Labour parties in the HoC. They may agree on some things but they will have different spokespeople and different views on immigration, the EU, QE, Israel and most economic matters.
This may go beyond the majority of the PLP playing the same destructive and awkward role that Corbyn himself has played for the last 30 years. This is starting to feel like 2 parties.
Of course a huge amount of the blame for this mess goes to Cooper, Kendall and Burnham. They all tiptoed around the lunacy that was Corbyn until far too late. As grown up politicians they had a duty to take him on and explain to the membership why his position was complete nonsense. They failed miserably in that duty giving the idiocy that they should not have tolerated in the party free rein to promise gifts for all, SNP style.0 -
I think you have summed up my drift. But that fact that the point was missed in the first place speaks volumes.Philip_Thompson said:
Einstein explained it best.Luckyguy1983 said:
How exactly does Cameron 'grow in stature' by someone else being crap?flightpath01 said:
It does rather paint her along the lines of the Grand Old Duke of York.SeanT said:Merkel's ALLIES accuse her of an "unparalleled historical mistake" in opening (then closing) Germany's borders.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/13/germany-to-close-borders-exit-schengen-emergency-measures?CMP=share_btn_tw
Ach, Ja.
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When he disavowed Catholicism, James Joyce was asked if he was becoming a Protestant. His reply was "I have lost my faith, not my reason".Bob__Sykes said:...I also think one thing the Tories could and should do now is rise to the opportunity presented by Corbyn, and offer an olive branch to reasonable and broadly free market liberal Labour MPs on the Blairite wing and right of that, and of course the many thousands of Labour members and activists out there, and invite them across to join the Tories...
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Not arguing just referencing the Oxford English. Mind you I guess Yahoo is more knowledgable on these matters.bigjohnowls said:
Was Apartheid all bad?Moses_ said:
selfie - definition of selfie in English from the Oxford dictionarybigjohnowls said:
Who said taking Selfies I said doing Selfies.saddened said:
Because he was representing HM government, it's really not difficult, unlike not being able differentiate being in someone's selfie, rather than taking one which you seem to be struggling with.bigjohnowls said:
I think you miss the point someone up thread was slagging Mandella. I merely asked why was Cameron at his funeral (presumably not just to get a selfie with ObamaTCPoliticalBetting said:
Yes wife of Labour MP asked Cameron for a pic with Obama and he politely agreedYBarddCwsc said:
Point of accuracy -- wasn’t it Mrs Stephen Kinnock who was doing selfies ?bigjohnowls said:
Is that why Cameron was doing Selfies at his funeral.SquareRoot said:
OF course Mandela was never responsible for any terrorist acts, ever. No one ever died because of what Mandela said or did.bigjohnowls said:think they're missing a trick.
A much more significant difference between them is that, while Corbyn was getting arrested for protesting against apartheid, Cameron was off on a publicly funded jolly in South Africa, with the Conservative Party propping up the Botha regime and condemning Nelson Mandela as a terrorist.
The picture I posted contrasts what the two got up to in the 80;s Corbyn was campaigning against injustice, Cameron was in a group that loved trashing restaurants.
. BJowls sees this as a terrible act.....
Once youve cleared that up perhaps you can clear up why Apartheid was not all bad as some appear to think.
www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/selfie
Definition of selfie in English: noun ( plural selfies ). informal. A photograph that one has taken of oneself, typically one taken with a smartphone or webcam
Single. Person, oneself.... Not group photo. ( perhaps they should have banned the press as well)
A photograph that one has taken of oneself.
Seriously you are still arguing Cameron and Obama were not doing Selfies.
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You like using the word 'Thick' to posters you disagree with don't you,well shouldn't we use it for your post here.flightpath01 said:
I think this story is a bit premature. Corbyn will have to wait 'til Putin gives him his orders.AndyJS said:
Corbyn supporting Leave could be just the boost the Remain campaign is looking for.SouthamObserver said:Chuka strongly implying Corbyn could well be campaigning for a Leave vote in the EU referendum.
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Depeche Mode!MTimT said:
Rip, Rig and Panic?AndyJS said:
Yeah, as long as it features Scritti Politti, Five Star, Japan/David Sylvian, Dollar, and ABC.MTimT said:
What, nothing on why 1980s pop music is far superior to the crap on the radio now?TheScreamingEagles said:
I have threePhilip_Thompson said:
Have you perhaps got an unpublished magnus opus on something that we could discuss?TheScreamingEagles said:I've got a week left as Guest editor left (not that I'm counting or anything)
Any topics/subjects you'd like me to cover?
1) On AV/Electoral reform/House of Lords reform and the Salisbury-Addison convention
2) Why Scottish Independence is in Labour's best interests
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OMG LadyBucket- or you have obviously got your head stuck in a bucket. You only have to come onto pbCOM for a day to read the vitriol poured on Labour, socialists, lefties.....you would think that we are some worse than pond like scum undeserving to breathe.LadyBucket said:
Labour MP, Jess Phillips, says she was brought up to "hate" tories. Now Toby Perkins says he "hates" tories and that is the reason he and many of his colleagues came into politics for. What disgusting people they are. But then I've always known who the real nasty party are.
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Fair comment.tyson said:OMG LadyBucket- or you have obviously got your head stuck in a bucket. You only have to come onto pbCOM for a day to read the vitriol poured on Labour, socialists, lefties.....you would think that we are some worse than pond like scum undeserving to breathe.
LadyBucket said:Labour MP, Jess Phillips, says she was brought up to "hate" tories. Now Toby Perkins says he "hates" tories and that is the reason he and many of his colleagues came into politics for. What disgusting people they are. But then I've always known who the real nasty party are.
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My point remains - my last comment to you on the subject as you are clearly trolling.Sunil_Prasannan said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-34238430Floater said:
Sigh - I know why you want to muddy the waters.surbiton said:
Why should it be hush hushed ? We cannot just have IRA bashing only. The other side also killed and maimed. Just because elements of the British state supported them does not make it correct. It is equally wrong !Floater said:
you don't think that perhaps now is about the time to call a halt to this silly trolling?Sunil_Prasannan said:
The whole point of Collusion between elements of the State and the Loyalists was that it was all hush-hush, hoosh-hoosh.Indigo said:Possibly you could stop your dancing now and enlighten us as to which loyalist paramilitary supporters met with a Tory politician, without a bunch of diversionary crap about the security services.
For Sunil I suspect this is just a silly game.
You used to be a lot better than this.0
