A big problem in temporarily leaving Schengen is that so many border crossings are unmanned.
What a clusterfook.
What makes you assume it's temporary?
That's what they've said. Maybe this is the end of it, though. That will cause significant problems at road crossings with lorries etc. It's a real mess.
Trucks going through customs is a 'significant problem'? It makes you wonder how US-Canadian trade survives. How did European trade work pre-Schengen? It's not a problem.
I have crossed the US-Canada border in a car. It took hours. You only have to look at Operation Stack on the M2 to see what delays can do. They increase costs significantly.
What's frustrating about all this is that again and again the UK has been proved right on European matters. We were right on the Euro and we were right on Schengen. From the beginning. But now the rest of the EU is refusing to seriously listen to our very sensible ideas on reform and repatriation now. They've even come up with this situation of a Euro bloc vote to exclude the UK from any decision making. It's like banging our heads against a brick wall trying to make these people see sense.
Corbyn had discussions with Burnham this afternoon apparently. I still have a suspicion that Burnham will have been saying Shadow Chancellor or I am not playing. If so, it will be an early test of Corbyn's mettle.
I don't think AB will get the Shadow Chancellor's job. I could be wrong.
John McDonnell or Angela Eagle probably. I will be surprised if it is not JM. What is the point of receiving 60% of the votes, then worrying about making an appointment to "please the City".
JC probably thinks the City [ particularly , the Banks ] is the root of the problems facing this country.
Burnham will probably get Foreign Affairs or Home. Hilary Benn has played his cards well by keeping his mouth shut. Also, supporting the Palestinian cause will not be a big problem for him. It might have been for one or two like Rachel Reeves, for instance.
Bit of a problem with taking on the City. It's this little thing called Magna Carta
Most of which has been repealed. If they have any sense they'll announce their intention to abolish the City of London corporation immediately. Corbyn has little chance of winning an election. He might as well come out all guns blazing and change the political conversation.
But that's what's enshrined in Magna Carta. "Immediately" abolishing 800 years of English Law is not exactly a simple matter...
I'm a mainstream Tory and I'd completely support abolition of the City of London corporation.
Why?
It's an extreme anachronism. A corporation with leaders elected by shareholders (including companies) that rules over a territory?
Plus the City's police force is corrupt as hell and the Met should take over.
Many a true word spoken in jest, Miss Plato. The UK now worships money and the City is, and has been for nearly 2000 years, the centre of money in the UK.
A big problem in temporarily leaving Schengen is that so many border crossings are unmanned.
What a clusterfook.
Looks like Merkel' s canonization by the left might have to be put on hold.
I never saw it as a heroic act. More one to address a decreasing population problem. I would not canonise any European leader given the mess the EU is in.
The problem is that she completely ignored the opinion of the people of German. Who are not anti-immigrant in general. They are anti the idea of creating ever larger enclaves of people who aren't German in their social or cultural outlook, and never will be.
Try this (since you are on the left hand side of politics): In the town you live, each year, a larger and larger number of white Americans from the deep south. Complete with take overs of the local churches by groups who explain "Yes, we don't like abortion. But the attacks on abortion clinics have nothing to do with us.". Funded by money from the US. School teachers pressured to stop teaching evolution. Non Christians of the right fundy brand harassed and assaulted in the street......
I would bet that would be the "wrong kind of immigration" for you...
Mind you, I am quite sure you were in favour of the strenuous efforts under the last Labou government to keep refugees from Zimbabwe out. The ones with a mild sun tan, that is.
A big problem in temporarily leaving Schengen is that so many border crossings are unmanned.
What a clusterfook.
What makes you assume it's temporary?
That's what they've said. Maybe this is the end of it, though. That will cause significant problems at road crossings with lorries etc. It's a real mess.
Trucks going through customs is a 'significant problem'? It makes you wonder how US-Canadian trade survives. How did European trade work pre-Schengen? It's not a problem.
I have crossed the US-Canada border in a car. It took hours. You only have to look at Operation Stack on the M2 to see what delays can do. They increase costs significantly.
Nowhere near the costs of huge levels of immigration from the world's trouble spots.
Wasn't he the one who was, purely by coincidence, accused of sending obscene text messages to a Civil Servant just after he had broken ranks and criticised a Certain Person?
Not that that would have influenced Corbyn, but perhaps Watson was taking a belated revenge.
Possibly you could stop your dancing now and enlighten us as to which loyalist paramilitary supporters met with a Tory politician, without a bunch of diversionary crap about the security services.
The whole point of Collusion between elements of the State and the Loyalists was that it was all hush-hush, hoosh-hoosh.
you don't think that perhaps now is about the time to call a halt to this silly trolling?
A big problem in temporarily leaving Schengen is that so many border crossings are unmanned.
What a clusterfook.
Looks like Merkel' s canonization by the left might have to be put on hold.
I never saw it as a heroic act. More one to address a decreasing population problem. I would not canonise any European leader given the mess the EU is in.
The problem is that she completely ignored the opinion of the people of German. Who are not anti-immigrant in general. They are anti the idea of creating ever larger enclaves of people who aren't German in their social or cultural outlook, and never will be.
Try this (since you are on the left hand side of politics): In the town you live, each year, a larger and larger number of white Americans from the deep south. Complete with take overs of the local churches by groups who explain "Yes, we don't like abortion. But the attacks on abortion clinics have nothing to do with us.". Funded by money from the US. School teachers pressured to stop teaching evolution. Non Christians of the right fundy brand harassed and assaulted in the street......
I would bet that would be the "wrong kind of immigration" for you...
Mind you, I am quite sure you were in favour of the strenuous efforts under the last Labou government to keep refugees from Zimbabwe out. The ones with a mild sun tan, that is.
I have no problem with immigration controls. Sorry.
A big problem in temporarily leaving Schengen is that so many border crossings are unmanned.
What a clusterfook.
What makes you assume it's temporary?
That's what they've said. Maybe this is the end of it, though. That will cause significant problems at road crossings with lorries etc. It's a real mess.
And all of it exacerbated by Merkel's ridiculous decision to "transform Germany" - without asking the voters! - by welcoming 1m immigrants a year, just like that.
She's gone from heroine to object of derision in a week.
Who knows if it will be temporary, but it's already done even more damage to the Cause of Europe. Is there anything worth saving of the EU if Schengen IS gone?
Now the Poles are wading in, seeking to reset the agenda after Germany's abject u-turn:
Rafal Trzaskowski, secretary of state for European affairs, said Poland was ready to show more solidarity as the migrant crisis has turned into a humanitarian catastrophe.
"If certain conditions are met, we are willing to show more solidarity than so far," he was quoted as saying by tvn24.pl website. "What are the conditions?"
"We have to firmly secure EU's external borders, we have to clearly distinguish economic migrants, accepting whom we cannot afford, from refugees that one needs to help, because they are fleeing death or persecution," he said.
Merkel has lost all credibility, and her high-minded pieties from earlier are in tatters. She should quit and then everyone can start again.
FYI No comment. In February 2014, Onwurah spoke in a parliamentary debate she had called on gender-specific toy marketing and lent her support to the campaign Let Toys Be Toys, telling the House of Commons: “Before entering Parliament, I spent two decades as a professional engineer, working across three continents. Regardless of where I was or the size of the company, it was always a predominantly male, or indeed all-male, environment, but it is only when I walk into a toy shop that I feel I am really experiencing gender segregation.”[10] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chi_Onwurah
A big problem in temporarily leaving Schengen is that so many border crossings are unmanned.
What a clusterfook.
Looks like Merkel' s canonization by the left might have to be put on hold.
I never saw it as a heroic act. More one to address a decreasing population problem. I would not canonise any European leader given the mess the EU is in.
The problem is that she completely ignored the opinion of the people of German. Who are not anti-immigrant in general. They are anti the idea of creating ever larger enclaves of people who aren't German in their social or cultural outlook, and never will be.
Try this (since you are on the left hand side of politics): In the town you live, each year, a larger and larger number of white Americans from the deep south. Complete with take overs of the local churches by groups who explain "Yes, we don't like abortion. But the attacks on abortion clinics have nothing to do with us.". Funded by money from the US. School teachers pressured to stop teaching evolution. Non Christians of the right fundy brand harassed and assaulted in the street......
I would bet that would be the "wrong kind of immigration" for you...
Mind you, I am quite sure you were in favour of the strenuous efforts under the last Labou government to keep refugees from Zimbabwe out. The ones with a mild sun tan, that is.
I have no problem with immigration controls. Sorry.
When Labour have another leadership election, you should stand. You are one of the few Labour people I have met that is willing to be prudent and thoughtful on both economic competence and social problems. The Jezlamists refuse to do it on either, and the Blairites refuse to do it on the latter.
Possibly you could stop your dancing now and enlighten us as to which loyalist paramilitary supporters met with a Tory politician, without a bunch of diversionary crap about the security services.
The whole point of Collusion between elements of the State and the Loyalists was that it was all hush-hush, hoosh-hoosh.
you don't think that perhaps now is about the time to call a halt to this silly trolling?
Why should it be hush hushed ? We cannot just have IRA bashing only. The other side also killed and maimed. Just because elements of the British state supported them does not make it correct. It is equally wrong !
A big problem in temporarily leaving Schengen is that so many border crossings are unmanned.
What a clusterfook.
What makes you assume it's temporary?
That's what they've said. Maybe this is the end of it, though. That will cause significant problems at road crossings with lorries etc. It's a real mess.
Trucks going through customs is a 'significant problem'? It makes you wonder how US-Canadian trade survives. How did European trade work pre-Schengen? It's not a problem.
I have crossed the US-Canada border in a car. It took hours. You only have to look at Operation Stack on the M2 to see what delays can do. They increase costs significantly.
Nowhere near the costs of huge levels of immigration from the world's trouble spots.
I am not arguing in favour of loads more immigration, I am observing that the system constructed in Europe is in a mess. If it's changed, though, it's also going to create a mess. As I said in my original post, it's a total clusterfook. Europe's leaders are a joke.
If Germany can throw out Schengen unilaterally with no change in treaties that commit to it, surely we can do the same with free movement?
Just stop letting in unskilled workers and if anyone complains point to Germany ignoring deficit limits in 2005, ignoring the no bailouts clause in 2010 and ignoring Schengen today.
As always when Germany and France break the rules - "it's different"
We are mugs playing by the rules ignored by others.
Wasn't he the one who was, purely by coincidence, accused of sending obscene text messages to a Civil Servant just after he had broken ranks and criticised a Certain Person?
Not that that would have influenced Corbyn, but perhaps Watson was taking a belated revenge.
For all the ridicule from Corbynites, one can see why so many existing Shadow Cabinet members have been announcing their resignation/refusal to serve. Better on the CV than it being publicly announced that you've been sacked!
Possibly you could stop your dancing now and enlighten us as to which loyalist paramilitary supporters met with a Tory politician, without a bunch of diversionary crap about the security services.
The whole point of Collusion between elements of the State and the Loyalists was that it was all hush-hush, hoosh-hoosh.
you don't think that perhaps now is about the time to call a halt to this silly trolling?
Why should it be hush hushed ? We cannot just have IRA bashing only. The other side also killed and maimed. Just because elements of the British state supported them does not make it correct. It is equally wrong !
None of it has been IRA bashing. It has been Corbyn bashing! That's the whole point.
The BBC do a piece on what happens to migrants in Germany, talking about when they get benefits and when they get the right to work, but decline to mention when they get access to the rest of the EU:
A big problem in temporarily leaving Schengen is that so many border crossings are unmanned.
What a clusterfook.
Looks like Merkel' s canonization by the left might have to be put on hold.
I never saw it as a heroic act. More one to address a decreasing population problem. I would not canonise any European leader given the mess the EU is in.
The problem is that she completely ignored the opinion of the people of German. Who are not anti-immigrant in general. They are anti the idea of creating ever larger enclaves of people who aren't German in their social or cultural outlook, and never will be.
Try this (since you are on the left hand side of politics): In the town you live, each year, a larger and larger number of white Americans from the deep south. Complete with take overs of the local churches by groups who explain "Yes, we don't like abortion. But the attacks on abortion clinics have nothing to do with us.". Funded by money from the US. School teachers pressured to stop teaching evolution. Non Christians of the right fundy brand harassed and assaulted in the street......
I would bet that would be the "wrong kind of immigration" for you...
Mind you, I am quite sure you were in favour of the strenuous efforts under the last Labou government to keep refugees from Zimbabwe out. The ones with a mild sun tan, that is.
I have no problem with immigration controls. Sorry.
Good for you. The issue at stake here is the quality of immigrants. Interestingly, this is a very strong matter of belief among first and second generation immigrants here!
Try asking a Chinese man how he feels about the "Asian" tag that is used by white officialdom. Or a Ghanaian about the prospect of more Saudi funded comedy clubs.
A big problem in temporarily leaving Schengen is that so many border crossings are unmanned.
What a clusterfook.
Looks like Merkel' s canonization by the left might have to be put on hold.
I never saw it as a heroic act. More one to address a decreasing population problem. I would not canonise any European leader given the mess the EU is in.
The problem is that she completely ignored the opinion of the people of German. Who are not anti-immigrant in general. They are anti the idea of creating ever larger enclaves of people who aren't German in their social or cultural outlook, and never will be.
Try this (since you are on the left hand side of politics): In the town you live, each year, a larger and larger number of white Americans from the deep south. Complete with take overs of the local churches by groups who explain "Yes, we don't like abortion. But the attacks on abortion clinics have nothing to do with us.". Funded by money from the US. School teachers pressured to stop teaching evolution. Non Christians of the right fundy brand harassed and assaulted in the street......
I would bet that would be the "wrong kind of immigration" for you...
Mind you, I am quite sure you were in favour of the strenuous efforts under the last Labou government to keep refugees from Zimbabwe out. The ones with a mild sun tan, that is.
I have no problem with immigration controls. Sorry.
When Labour have another leadership election, you should stand. You are one of the few Labour people I have met that is willing to be prudent and thoughtful on both economic competence and social problems. The Jezlamists refuse to do it on either, and the Blairites refuse to do it on the latter.
Me and Labour are separated. I don't think folk like me are welcome in Jezza's party.
If Germany can throw out Schengen unilaterally with no change in treaties that commit to it, surely we can do the same with free movement?
Just stop letting in unskilled workers and if anyone complains point to Germany ignoring deficit limits in 2005, ignoring the no bailouts clause in 2010 and ignoring Schengen today.
As always when Germany and France break the rules - "it's different"
We are mugs playing by the rules ignored by others.
It's one of these irregular verbs:
"We are good Europeans You are breaking the rules"
Wasn't he the one who was, purely by coincidence, accused of sending obscene text messages to a Civil Servant just after he had broken ranks and criticised a Certain Person?
Not that that would have influenced Corbyn, but perhaps Watson was taking a belated revenge.
For all the ridicule from Corbynites, one can see why so many existing Shadow Cabinet members have been announcing their resignation/refusal to serve. Better on the CV than it being publicly announced that you've been sacked!
You can't throw me out, I quit.
Except of course Lewis, in a moment of sheer brilliance, has announced his own sacking and therefore looked a bit of a double whammy.
When McCluskey talked about 'talent' in the Labour party, and you remember that Lewis was regarded as one of their abler ministers, you do begin to worry...
A big problem in temporarily leaving Schengen is that so many border crossings are unmanned.
What a clusterfook.
What makes you assume it's temporary?
That's what they've said. Maybe this is the end of it, though. That will cause significant problems at road crossings with lorries etc. It's a real mess.
Trucks going through customs is a 'significant problem'? It makes you wonder how US-Canadian trade survives. How did European trade work pre-Schengen? It's not a problem.
I have crossed the US-Canada border in a car. It took hours. You only have to look at Operation Stack on the M2 to see what delays can do. They increase costs significantly.
Nowhere near the costs of huge levels of immigration from the world's trouble spots.
I am not arguing in favour of loads more immigration, I am observing that the system constructed in Europe is in a mess. If it's changed, though, it's also going to create a mess. As I said in my original post, it's a total clusterfook. Europe's leaders are a joke.
I was not disagreeing with you or criticising you. I was merely adding my own thoughts to the point you were making.
A big problem in temporarily leaving Schengen is that so many border crossings are unmanned.
What a clusterfook.
Looks like Merkel' s canonization by the left might have to be put on hold.
I never saw it as a heroic act. More one to address a decreasing population problem. I would not canonise any European leader given the mess the EU is in.
The problem is that she completely ignored the opinion of the people of German. Who are not anti-immigrant in general. They are anti the idea of creating ever larger enclaves of people who aren't German in their social or cultural outlook, and never will be.
Try this (since you are on the left hand side of politics): In the town you live, each year, a larger and larger number of white Americans from the deep south. Complete with take overs of the local churches by groups who explain "Yes, we don't like abortion. But the attacks on abortion clinics have nothing to do with us.". Funded by money from the US. School teachers pressured to stop teaching evolution. Non Christians of the right fundy brand harassed and assaulted in the street......
I would bet that would be the "wrong kind of immigration" for you...
Mind you, I am quite sure you were in favour of the strenuous efforts under the last Labou government to keep refugees from Zimbabwe out. The ones with a mild sun tan, that is.
I have no problem with immigration controls. Sorry.
When Labour have another leadership election, you should stand. You are one of the few Labour people I have met that is willing to be prudent and thoughtful on both economic competence and social problems. The Jezlamists refuse to do it on either, and the Blairites refuse to do it on the latter.
Me and Labour are separated. I don't think folk like me are welcome in Jezza's party.
Nope, you need to be ideologically at one with the new great leader. I doubt you felt welcome under Brown either.
If Germany can throw out Schengen unilaterally with no change in treaties that commit to it, surely we can do the same with free movement?
Just stop letting in unskilled workers and if anyone complains point to Germany ignoring deficit limits in 2005, ignoring the no bailouts clause in 2010 and ignoring Schengen today.
The EU has now lost all pretence of being a coherent unit with laws and rules and that.
A big problem in temporarily leaving Schengen is that so many border crossings are unmanned.
What a clusterfook.
What makes you assume it's temporary?
That's what they've said. Maybe this is the end of it, though. That will cause significant problems at road crossings with lorries etc. It's a real mess.
And all of it exacerbated by Merkel's ridiculous decision to "transform Germany" - without asking the voters! - by welcoming 1m immigrants a year, just like that.
She's gone from heroine to object of derision in a week.
Who knows if it will be temporary, but it's already done even more damage to the Cause of Europe. Is there anything worth saving of the EU if Schengen IS gone?
A single market is a good thing in theory. And you can't have that without a lot of harmonisation. But free movement of peoples is going to get harder and harder to maintain.
The working population of Europe is falling. The aged are getting more numerous ! Health costs soaring. Who will pay for all this ?
Should the 100% win record whilst Jezza is LotO continue for Spurs, I may have to alter my opinion on the special one. Also helping me to my best week of the season in the PB Fantasy Premier League too!
Any word from Austria re its borders yet? One might think that to avoid the country becoming a refugee camp with the sound of music they are going to have to introduce strict controls too.
The Schengen agreement did, I am fairly sure, have a get out clause for use in a temporary state of emergency, which is I presume what Germany is relying on now (unless they have decided to ignore the rules as they have done in the past when it suited them). However how temporary is temporary? Schengen is surely dead in the water and with it a great plank of the EU ever closer union nonsense.
England gave up today like the French at The Maginot Line
Coming home late via Euston last night post Proms tut Park, it was truly unastonishing how many Man U shirts were arriving back in London on the trains. Not so many scousers.
Re cricket - Hales sent Roy to the lions to save his place and that was that.
Should the 100% win record whilst Jezza is LotO continue for Spurs, I may have to alter my opinion on the special one. Also helping me to my best week of the season in the PB Fantasy Premier League too!
Everton also has a 100% record. So Burnham didn't do too badly. I am not sure if JC is into these kind of things. I could be wrong !
So Ivan Lewis has been sacked by Corbyn as part of his bridge building. Who will get the shadow NI role now? I imagine Labour will become more overtly pro-Nationalist/Republican.
England gave up today like the French at The Maginot Line
Coming home late via Euston last night post Proms tut Park, it was truly unastonishing how many Man U shirts were arriving back in London on the trains. Not so many scousers.
Re cricket - Hales sent Roy to the lions to save his place and that was that.
After all London is the base of Manchester United followed by Singapore, KL, Bangkok, .......
England gave up today like the French at The Maginot Line
Coming home late via Euston last night post Proms tut Park, it was truly unastonishing how many Man U shirts were arriving back in London on the trains. Not so many scousers.
Re cricket - Hales sent Roy to the lions to save his place and that was that.
I could have gone to the match alas decided to put PB first on such a momentous day.
So Ivan Lewis has been sacked by Corbyn as part of his bridge building. Who will get the shadow NI role now? I imagine Labour will become more overtly pro-Nationalist/Republican.
I don't know much about Ivan Lewis. Could you tell me more about the implications of what sacking him means?
Wasn't he the one who was, purely by coincidence, accused of sending obscene text messages to a Civil Servant just after he had broken ranks and criticised a Certain Person?
Not that that would have influenced Corbyn, but perhaps Watson was taking a belated revenge.
Not aware of Lewis being jewish. But in line with Corbyn. Watson and Unite probably involved.
England gave up today like the French at The Maginot Line
Coming home late via Euston last night post Proms tut Park, it was truly unastonishing how many Man U shirts were arriving back in London on the trains. Not so many scousers.
Re cricket - Hales sent Roy to the lions to save his place and that was that.
I could have gone to the match alas decided to put PB first on such a momentous day.
just as well you missed both the footie and the cricket in your patch this weekend
A big problem in temporarily leaving Schengen is that so many border crossings are unmanned.
What a clusterfook.
Looks like Merkel' s canonization by the left might have to be put on hold.
I never saw it as a heroic act. More one to address a decreasing population problem. I would not canonise any European leader given the mess the EU is in.
The problem is that she completely ignored the opinion of the people of German. Who are not anti-immigrant in general. They are anti the idea of creating ever larger enclaves of people who aren't German in their social or cultural outlook, and never will be.
Try this (since you are on the left hand side of politics): In the town you live, each year, a larger and larger number of white Americans from the deep south. Complete with take overs of the local churches by groups who explain "Yes, we don't like abortion. But the attacks on abortion clinics have nothing to do with us.". Funded by money from the US. School teachers pressured to stop teaching evolution. Non Christians of the right fundy brand harassed and assaulted in the street......
I would bet that would be the "wrong kind of immigration" for you...
Mind you, I am quite sure you were in favour of the strenuous efforts under the last Labou government to keep refugees from Zimbabwe out. The ones with a mild sun tan, that is.
I have no problem with immigration controls. Sorry.
When Labour have another leadership election, you should stand. You are one of the few Labour people I have met that is willing to be prudent and thoughtful on both economic competence and social problems. The Jezlamists refuse to do it on either, and the Blairites refuse to do it on the latter.
I recall Southam Observer saying (rightly, IMO) that he didn't think the deficit was as big a deal as the Tories claimed, and that the cuts were going too far. That was the kind of argument you guys were denouncing as reckless not so long ago.
If nothing else, even if Corbyn goes horribly wrong, one of the good side-effects is that people have been reminded what ACTUAL left-wing politics looks like, so maybe in future people won't be so laughably hysterical about such incredibly mild policies that Miliband was proposing.
England gave up today like the French at The Maginot Line
Coming home late via Euston last night post Proms tut Park, it was truly unastonishing how many Man U shirts were arriving back in London on the trains. Not so many scousers.
Re cricket - Hales sent Roy to the lions to save his place and that was that.
I could have gone to the match alas decided to put PB first on such a momentous day.
just as well you missed both the footie and the cricket in your patch this weekend
I went to the cricket.
Sooner spend eternity stuck in a lift with Owen Jones, Katie Price and a guy with diarrhoea.
Yes, I have heard of many such stories that have not got reported in the mainstream press. For me, it can only be explained by Scientology donating large amounts of money to the City of London police. Given the large amounts of crimes the Church of Scientology has carried out itself around the world, I do not trust the City of London police to monitor them objectively.
And, of course, the City police are known as "the best police force money can buy".
The BBC do a piece on what happens to migrants in Germany, talking about when they get benefits and when they get the right to work, but decline to mention when they get access to the rest of the EU:
The Germans are already saying they don't want to pay the benefits to migrants who should be allocated to other countries. This could take a long time and be very messy.
This film should be mandatory viewing for all on PB irrespective of politics. It is desperately worrying and the everuone needs to address just how this circle is squared, if indeed it can be
Possibly you could stop your dancing now and enlighten us as to which loyalist paramilitary supporters met with a Tory politician, without a bunch of diversionary crap about the security services.
The whole point of Collusion between elements of the State and the Loyalists was that it was all hush-hush, hoosh-hoosh.
you don't think that perhaps now is about the time to call a halt to this silly trolling?
Why should it be hush hushed ? We cannot just have IRA bashing only. The other side also killed and maimed. Just because elements of the British state supported them does not make it correct. It is equally wrong !
I suppose that when the British State jailed thousands of loyalist terrorists, it was all an elaborate form of double-bluff.
However hard you try, you're never going to persuade the British public that the IRA were the good guys in this conflict and the security forces were the bad guys.
Also, WHEN are regular polls going to start again!?! If nothing else, they would've atleast been useful to see trends (especially to see a before/after reaction to Jez winning).
England gave up today like the French at The Maginot Line
Coming home late via Euston last night post Proms tut Park, it was truly unastonishing how many Man U shirts were arriving back in London on the trains. Not so many scousers.
Re cricket - Hales sent Roy to the lions to save his place and that was that.
I could have gone to the match alas decided to put PB first on such a momentous day.
England gave up today like the French at The Maginot Line
Coming home late via Euston last night post Proms tut Park, it was truly unastonishing how many Man U shirts were arriving back in London on the trains. Not so many scousers.
Re cricket - Hales sent Roy to the lions to save his place and that was that.
I could have gone to the match alas decided to put PB first on such a momentous day.
Also, WHEN are regular polls going to start again!?! If nothing else, they would've atleast been useful to see trends (especially to see a before/after reaction to Jez winning).
England gave up today like the French at The Maginot Line
Coming home late via Euston last night post Proms tut Park, it was truly unastonishing how many Man U shirts were arriving back in London on the trains. Not so many scousers.
Re cricket - Hales sent Roy to the lions to save his place and that was that.
I could have gone to the match alas decided to put PB first on such a momentous day.
So Ivan Lewis has been sacked by Corbyn as part of his bridge building. Who will get the shadow NI role now? I imagine Labour will become more overtly pro-Nationalist/Republican.
I don't know much about Ivan Lewis. Could you tell me more about the implications of what sacking him means?
A Blairite. Offered to stay on in shadow cabinet given current problems in NI. Corbyn said no.
England gave up today like the French at The Maginot Line
Coming home late via Euston last night post Proms tut Park, it was truly unastonishing how many Man U shirts were arriving back in London on the trains. Not so many scousers.
Re cricket - Hales sent Roy to the lions to save his place and that was that.
I could have gone to the match alas decided to put PB first on such a momentous day.
just as well you missed both the footie and the cricket in your patch this weekend
I went to the cricket.
Sooner spend eternity stuck in a lift with Owen Jones, Katie Price and a guy with diarrhoea.
ouch - what a bday weekend that is.... don't look at the fantasy table then when it's updated as you may start having to worry about that too...
Also, WHEN are regular polls going to start again!?! If nothing else, they would've atleast been useful to see trends (especially to see a before/after reaction to Jez winning).
It would be surprising if Labour didn't tick up a bit in the polls now they have a new leader.
If they don't make progress now, it's difficult to imagine they ever will.
So Ivan Lewis has been sacked by Corbyn as part of his bridge building. Who will get the shadow NI role now? I imagine Labour will become more overtly pro-Nationalist/Republican.
I don't know much about Ivan Lewis. Could you tell me more about the implications of what sacking him means?
A Blairite. Offered to stay on in shadow cabinet given current problems in NI. Corbyn said no.
Me and Labour are separated. I don't think folk like me are welcome in Jezza's party.
That's true. It's telling that Corbyn won handsomely among supporters, affiliates and direct members. This was all after heavy coverage in the media of his closeness to and praise of anti-Semites. It's clear most of the Labour party does not actually care about tolerance and anti-racism - they only want to use them as necessary as weapons against the Right.
Perhaps a modern, tolerant thoughtful centre-left party can arise to replace them.
Imams, priests, rabbis and other religious figures will have to enrol in a “national register of faith leaders” and be subject to government-specified training and security checks in the Home Office’s latest action on extremism.
The highly controversial proposal appears in a leaked draft of the Government’s new counter-extremism strategy, seen by The Telegraph, which goes substantially further than previous versions of the document.
I saw that report. I know I don't get on with our new "priest in charge" (the CofE no longer does vicars and rectors apparently) but to make the silly bat go on some government training scheme seems very unfair. Then there are those like SquareRoot's local chap, been vicar of the same parish for more than thirty years and suddenly he has to be trained and approved by the government and put on a register. Why?
In Soviet Russia and in China priests were/are only allowed to practice their vocation if licensed by the government. What is the UK coming to when we feel we have to follow their example? If a religious figure is breaking the law then prosecute them (rather than aid and abet as the Met Police did with the fellow with the hooks) there are plenty of offences to choose from.
Because plenty of Muslim clerics are teaching intolerance in difficult to prove ways.
If they're inciting crime, they should be prosecuted. Otherwise, this is a dreadful infringement of religious freedom.
It's a bit difficult to keep up with who is doing liveblogs on the Shadow Cabinet. The guardian were doing one, then the BBC, but they all keep getting bored and clocking off. Anyone got one that might produce some interesting inside info before things are announced?
Also, WHEN are regular polls going to start again!?! If nothing else, they would've atleast been useful to see trends (especially to see a before/after reaction to Jez winning).
We might be getting the Ipsos Mori political monitor this week.
Yes, I have heard of many such stories that have not got reported in the mainstream press. For me, it can only be explained by Scientology donating large amounts of money to the City of London police. Given the large amounts of crimes the Church of Scientology has carried out itself around the world, I do not trust the City of London police to monitor them objectively.
And, of course, the City police are known as "the best police force money can buy".
To be fair - try calling certain other religions "a cult" in public. If you don't value your freedom
I don't doubt that the City of London police have an issue with corruption. But the idea that the Met is better and merging with them would help the situation.
To give a simple example - the Met worked very hard on the electoral problems in Tower Hamlets when I lived there. Losing that much evidence, NFAing so many complaints about intimidation, creating accusations of racism against anyone who wanted their postal ballot to vote with.... That must have taken thousands of man hours.
England gave up today like the French at The Maginot Line
Coming home late via Euston last night post Proms tut Park, it was truly unastonishing how many Man U shirts were arriving back in London on the trains. Not so many scousers.
Re cricket - Hales sent Roy to the lions to save his place and that was that.
I could have gone to the match alas decided to put PB first on such a momentous day.
just as well you missed both the footie and the cricket in your patch this weekend
I went to the cricket.
Sooner spend eternity stuck in a lift with Owen Jones, Katie Price and a guy with diarrhoea.
ouch - what a bday weekend that is.... don't look at the fantasy table then when it's updated as you may start having to worry about that too...
Imams, priests, rabbis and other religious figures will have to enrol in a “national register of faith leaders” and be subject to government-specified training and security checks in the Home Office’s latest action on extremism.
The highly controversial proposal appears in a leaked draft of the Government’s new counter-extremism strategy, seen by The Telegraph, which goes substantially further than previous versions of the document.
I saw that report. I know I don't get on with our new "priest in charge" (the CofE no longer does vicars and rectors apparently) but to make the silly bat go on some government training scheme seems very unfair. Then there are those like SquareRoot's local chap, been vicar of the same parish for more than thirty years and suddenly he has to be trained and approved by the government and put on a register. Why?
In Soviet Russia and in China priests were/are only allowed to practice their vocation if licensed by the government. What is the UK coming to when we feel we have to follow their example? If a religious figure is breaking the law then prosecute them (rather than aid and abet as the Met Police did with the fellow with the hooks) there are plenty of offences to choose from.
Because plenty of Muslim clerics are teaching intolerance in difficult to prove ways.
If they're inciting crime, they should be prosecuted. Otherwise, this is a dreadful infringement of religious freedom.
Agree 100%.
The idea of a requirement to "register" to be a cleric is extraordinary governmental over-reach.
Incitement to commit a crime, on the other hand, is a serious offence. And we should not let religious scruples (or concern about community) get in the way of prosecuting it to the fullest extent of the law.
Me and Labour are separated. I don't think folk like me are welcome in Jezza's party.
That's true. It's telling that Corbyn won handsomely among supporters, affiliates and direct members. This was all after heavy coverage in the media of his closeness to and praise of anti-Semites. It's clear most of the Labour party does not actually care about tolerance and anti-racism - they only want to use them as necessary as weapons against the Right.
Perhaps a modern, tolerant thoughtful centre-left party can arise to replace them.
You are right, but it will not happen. Blair was well aware of the true nature of the party he was leading. But nobody forced him to.
So Ivan Lewis has been sacked by Corbyn as part of his bridge building. Who will get the shadow NI role now? I imagine Labour will become more overtly pro-Nationalist/Republican.
I don't know much about Ivan Lewis. Could you tell me more about the implications of what sacking him means?
A Blairite. Offered to stay on in shadow cabinet given current problems in NI. Corbyn said no.
Looks like a pretty generous offer that has been chucked back in his face. To put it mildly, now is not a good time to have either someone new getting up to speed on the issues, or to start playing party politics with the role.
So Ivan Lewis has been sacked by Corbyn as part of his bridge building. Who will get the shadow NI role now? I imagine Labour will become more overtly pro-Nationalist/Republican.
I don't know much about Ivan Lewis. Could you tell me more about the implications of what sacking him means?
A Blairite. Offered to stay on in shadow cabinet given current problems in NI. Corbyn said no.
Merkel puts up the border controls abandoning those she called to come to Europe. Tends of thousands abandoned across the continent in other countries that has Bourne the brunt. Refugees mixed in with migrants, economic migrants and no doubt the odd terrorist.
Cameron called for aid to be directed at the camps and this country is doing so. Also taking refugees direct from the camps as this government stated should happen to avoid the terrible journeys they are undertaking and the payments to the people traffickers.
Roger called this government useless said they were doing nothing and was praising Merkel and the Germans to high heaven just a few days ago.
I would suggest he sticks to the Oscars ( he is actually very good at that)
So Ivan Lewis has been sacked by Corbyn as part of his bridge building. Who will get the shadow NI role now? I imagine Labour will become more overtly pro-Nationalist/Republican.
I don't know much about Ivan Lewis. Could you tell me more about the implications of what sacking him means?
A Blairite. Offered to stay on in shadow cabinet given current problems in NI. Corbyn said no.
And Ivan Lewis is Jewish.
The optics are horrible on so many levels.
Yep. Hopefully that is a coincidence. That we are even contemplating it tells you something about Jezza's friends - real world and online.
So Ivan Lewis has been sacked by Corbyn as part of his bridge building. Who will get the shadow NI role now? I imagine Labour will become more overtly pro-Nationalist/Republican.
I don't know much about Ivan Lewis. Could you tell me more about the implications of what sacking him means?
A Blairite. Offered to stay on in shadow cabinet given current problems in NI. Corbyn said no.
And Ivan Lewis is Jewish.
The optics are horrible on so many levels.
Yep. Hopefully that is a coincidence. That we are even contemplating it tells you something about Jezza's friends - real world and online.
I doubt it's got any relevance. More likely he's putting somebody in place that Sinn Fein approve of. No doubt he's being told that DUP/UUP are playing politics and wants to boost Sinn Fein's position in Parliament.
Looks like a long night of phone calls for corbyn. Is there a risk he actually believes his own hype ? Havent yet been convinced that anything happened so far won't result in an absolute disaster for labour.
So Ivan Lewis has been sacked by Corbyn as part of his bridge building. Who will get the shadow NI role now? I imagine Labour will become more overtly pro-Nationalist/Republican.
I don't know much about Ivan Lewis. Could you tell me more about the implications of what sacking him means?
A Blairite. Offered to stay on in shadow cabinet given current problems in NI. Corbyn said no.
And Ivan Lewis is Jewish.
The optics are horrible on so many levels.
Yep. Hopefully that is a coincidence. That we are even contemplating it tells you something about Jezza's friends - real world and online.
When Labour was selecting a new Scottish leader last year, and Watson backed Neil Findlay over Jim Murphy, Ivan Lewis, a member of the shadow cabinet, openly attacked Watson. He tweeted: “I want the party to choose leaders in an open democratic way. Your problem is, this is one leadership election you can’t manipulate”.
I sense Watson's presence behind this. There's clearly been a bit of needle there for a long while.
Of course, it probably doesn't help that Lewis is just about everything Corbyn despises.
Any word from Austria re its borders yet? One might think that to avoid the country becoming a refugee camp with the sound of music they are going to have to introduce strict controls too.
The Schengen agreement did, I am fairly sure, have a get out clause for use in a temporary state of emergency, which is I presume what Germany is relying on now (unless they have decided to ignore the rules as they have done in the past when it suited them). However how temporary is temporary? Schengen is surely dead in the water and with it a great plank of the EU ever closer union nonsense.
So Ivan Lewis has been sacked by Corbyn as part of his bridge building. Who will get the shadow NI role now? I imagine Labour will become more overtly pro-Nationalist/Republican.
I don't know much about Ivan Lewis. Could you tell me more about the implications of what sacking him means?
A Blairite. Offered to stay on in shadow cabinet given current problems in NI. Corbyn said no.
And Ivan Lewis is Jewish.
The optics are horrible on so many levels.
Yep. Hopefully that is a coincidence. That we are even contemplating it tells you something about Jezza's friends - real world and online.
I imagine Jezbollah is only comfortable with the "right sort of Jews".
It doesn't matter who Labour put in as Shadow NI Secretary.
They will be sidelined anyway if need be to nothing but the effective political equivalent of a person with a placard standing at a gate. Its a well worn path in this part of the world.
Ivan Lewis is Jewish for those on this site who are not aware.
I wonder if he was sacked because Mr Corbyn's 'friends' in Sinn Fein 'suggested' it might be a good idea?
No surprise in the slightest that my local MP has been sacked. He's Jewish, and the southern part of this seat is the most Jewish outside London. So I think Lewis might be relieved - given Corbyn's pronouncements, he needs to be anti-Jeremy if he harbours any hope of retaining the seat in 2020.
So Ivan Lewis has been sacked by Corbyn as part of his bridge building. Who will get the shadow NI role now? I imagine Labour will become more overtly pro-Nationalist/Republican.
I don't know much about Ivan Lewis. Could you tell me more about the implications of what sacking him means?
A Blairite. Offered to stay on in shadow cabinet given current problems in NI. Corbyn said no.
And Ivan Lewis is Jewish.
The optics are horrible on so many levels.
Yep. Hopefully that is a coincidence. That we are even contemplating it tells you something about Jezza's friends - real world and online.
It's Tom Watson related, but you're right, if we even need to have this conversation.
So Ivan Lewis has been sacked by Corbyn as part of his bridge building. Who will get the shadow NI role now? I imagine Labour will become more overtly pro-Nationalist/Republican.
I don't know much about Ivan Lewis. Could you tell me more about the implications of what sacking him means?
A Blairite. Offered to stay on in shadow cabinet given current problems in NI. Corbyn said no.
Looks like a pretty generous offer that has been chucked back in his face. To put it mildly, now is not a good time to have either someone new getting up to speed on the issues, or to start playing party politics with the role. So who has Corbyn got?
Maybe Corbyn thinks that he knows more about the NI situation from his friends there in Sinn Fein? Even more worrying.
On so many levels Corbyn is a real threat to the UK.
Is anyone asking the question that even if Corbyn did become PM, would he be able to get any of his more "radical" policies through the House of Commons.
eg Leaving NATO - there would surely be an enormous number of Lab MPs who wouldn't vote for that under literally any circumstances.
Even his People's QE might well struggle to get through.
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Try this (since you are on the left hand side of politics): In the town you live, each year, a larger and larger number of white Americans from the deep south. Complete with take overs of the local churches by groups who explain "Yes, we don't like abortion. But the attacks on abortion clinics have nothing to do with us.". Funded by money from the US. School teachers pressured to stop teaching evolution. Non Christians of the right fundy brand harassed and assaulted in the street......
I would bet that would be the "wrong kind of immigration" for you...
Mind you, I am quite sure you were in favour of the strenuous efforts under the last Labou government to keep refugees from Zimbabwe out. The ones with a mild sun tan, that is.
Rafal Trzaskowski, secretary of state for European affairs, said Poland was ready to show more solidarity as the migrant crisis has turned into a humanitarian catastrophe.
"If certain conditions are met, we are willing to show more solidarity than so far," he was quoted as saying by tvn24.pl website. "What are the conditions?"
"We have to firmly secure EU's external borders, we have to clearly distinguish economic migrants, accepting whom we cannot afford, from refugees that one needs to help, because they are fleeing death or persecution," he said.
Merkel has lost all credibility, and her high-minded pieties from earlier are in tatters. She should quit and then everyone can start again.
We are mugs playing by the rules ignored by others.
Unlikely but happy.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34175795
Try asking a Chinese man how he feels about the "Asian" tag that is used by white officialdom. Or a Ghanaian about the prospect of more Saudi funded comedy clubs.
"We are good Europeans
You are breaking the rules"
Except of course Lewis, in a moment of sheer brilliance, has announced his own sacking and therefore looked a bit of a double whammy.
When McCluskey talked about 'talent' in the Labour party, and you remember that Lewis was regarded as one of their abler ministers, you do begin to worry...
England gave up today like the French at The Maginot Line
The Schengen agreement did, I am fairly sure, have a get out clause for use in a temporary state of emergency, which is I presume what Germany is relying on now (unless they have decided to ignore the rules as they have done in the past when it suited them). However how temporary is temporary? Schengen is surely dead in the water and with it a great plank of the EU ever closer union nonsense.
They of course know what is best for us all.
Re cricket - Hales sent Roy to the lions to save his place and that was that.
If nothing else, even if Corbyn goes horribly wrong, one of the good side-effects is that people have been reminded what ACTUAL left-wing politics looks like, so maybe in future people won't be so laughably hysterical about such incredibly mild policies that Miliband was proposing.
Sooner spend eternity stuck in a lift with Owen Jones, Katie Price and a guy with diarrhoea.
And, of course, the City police are known as "the best police force money can buy".
Merkel obviously only used half her head.
Roy Hattersley gives his opinion.
However hard you try, you're never going to persuade the British public that the IRA were the good guys in this conflict and the security forces were the bad guys.
If they don't make progress now, it's difficult to imagine they ever will.
The optics are horrible on so many levels.
Perhaps a modern, tolerant thoughtful centre-left party can arise to replace them.
If they're inciting crime, they should be prosecuted. Otherwise, this is a dreadful infringement of religious freedom.
I don't doubt that the City of London police have an issue with corruption. But the idea that the Met is better and merging with them would help the situation.
To give a simple example - the Met worked very hard on the electoral problems in Tower Hamlets when I lived there. Losing that much evidence, NFAing so many complaints about intimidation, creating accusations of racism against anyone who wanted their postal ballot to vote with.... That must have taken thousands of man hours.
Agree 100%.
The idea of a requirement to "register" to be a cleric is extraordinary governmental over-reach.
Incitement to commit a crime, on the other hand, is a serious offence. And we should not let religious scruples (or concern about community) get in the way of prosecuting it to the fullest extent of the law.
So who has Corbyn got?
Merkel puts up the border controls abandoning those she called to come to Europe. Tends of thousands abandoned across the continent in other countries that has Bourne the brunt.
Refugees mixed in with migrants, economic migrants and no doubt the odd terrorist.
Cameron called for aid to be directed at the camps and this country is doing so. Also taking refugees direct from the camps as this government stated should happen to avoid the terrible journeys they are undertaking and the payments to the people traffickers.
Roger called this government useless said they were doing nothing and was praising Merkel and the Germans to high heaven just a few days ago.
I would suggest he sticks to the Oscars ( he is actually very good at that)
Of course, it probably doesn't help that Lewis is just about everything Corbyn despises.
I wonder if he was sacked because Mr Corbyn's 'friends' in Sinn Fein 'suggested' it might be a good idea?
They will be sidelined anyway if need be to nothing but the effective political equivalent of a person with a placard standing at a gate. Its a well worn path in this part of the world.
Case Study: Kevin McNamara.
http://bit.ly/1vEMkgA
On so many levels Corbyn is a real threat to the UK.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-34238430
eg Leaving NATO - there would surely be an enormous number of Lab MPs who wouldn't vote for that under literally any circumstances.
Even his People's QE might well struggle to get through.
'Roy Hattersley gives his opinion'
Does anyone apart from yourself give a toss about what this clapped out rust bucket thinks ?