politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Yes we Khan – Sadiq Khan wins the London Mayoral nomination
Comments
-
Hope some PBers got the 33s and 25s on Sadiq at the time. Zac is clearly not to be underestimated if he is the candidate. I'm sure most Khan backers will hedge accordingly if they have not done so already.
My 6/4 recommendation on Tom Watson for Deputy is looking good. http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2015/06/10/henry-g-manson-tom-watson-should-be-odds-on-for-lab-deputy/ although as I have since posted following my pitch for Yvette that I just didn't appreciate the Corbyn phenomenon. Can't win 'em all.0 -
The word 'corrupt' appears 134 times in the judgement
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/judgment.pdf0 -
Think you have your threads mixed up!surbiton said:
Please do. Where did the judge refer to him as "corrupt" ?AndyJS said:
No, what's pathetic is that you think we shouldn't bother to look into the facts of the case.surbiton said:
Pathetic !SeanT said:If true, this would explain the many strange anomalies surrounding that poor drowned child.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/09/11/drowned-aylan-kurdis-father-accused-of-being-people-smuggler-at-helm-of-capsized-boat/0 -
Khan realises the urgency of avoiding being defined as London-Corbyn. Which, to be fair, he isn't.surbiton said:
Tells a lot about PBers knowledge of Labour politicians.SeanT said:
LOL!Scott_P said:@jonwalker121: Sadiq Khan: "I won't be voting for Jeremy Corbyn and I don't think he can lead us to election victory in 2020." https://t.co/oAkAQNS8Vd
EDIT: well, that's an old quote. But the principle still remains.0 -
@SamCoatesTimes: Lab source: Tessa won membership in every round except last & even then less than 1,000 behind sadiq. Registered supporters won it for sadiq0
-
Thought Jowell was a shoo-in. I imagine Khan has won on the back of all the London-based Corbyn sign-ups, but it shows how utterly deluded Labour is.
Khan vs Goldsmith, especially as both become more widely known to Londoners, is no contest. Zac should win with ease.
What a great start to Labour's worst weekend ever.....0 -
File a complaint with an election court and see how far you get.surbiton said:
How would you describe the act of Party's giving knighthood's to their donors ?RobD said:
I thought he was dishing out money to his favourite causes in a bid to get re-elected? Sounds corrupt to me. I hope the Judge didn't call him an exemplar of British politics.surbiton said:
I think you will find the Judge's report did not label him as a corrupt politician. It also did not find him as an extremist Jihadi.RobD said:
I really don't think being Muslim made him a corrupt mayor.Speedy said:I think Khan will be a bad mayor, after the well known painful decade long mayoralty of Lutfur Rahman, I have a deep distrust towards local muslim politicians.
0 -
There are places in Whitechapel where people queue for over two hours just to get in. Another 30-45 minutes before the food comes. Yes, they are mostly WASP but not exclusively so.richardDodd said:With regard to Brick Lane.. I have always found that the money spent there is welcomed but the presence of the mainly WASP clientele is most definitely not .. There was always the feeling of resentment when I was obliged to work there for a major production company and the female staff were definitely uncomfortable about their treatment when they had to leave the offices. Perhaps some curry hungry customers may look elsewhere if there is any more trouble.
0 -
Are you sure?SeanT said:
Against.rottenborough said:Heathrow now seriously in play. What is Corbynista view of airport expansion?
Isnt it an overcrowded venue from which to fly to conferences denouncing international air travel?0 -
I wasn't aware that they were counted separately.Scott_P said:@SamCoatesTimes: Lab source: Tessa won membership in every round except last & even then less than 1,000 behind sadiq. Registered supporters won it for sadiq
0 -
That will help him, Sean. Khan, that is. Not Corbyn.SeanT said:Oh that is so delicious it is surely worth repeating. AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN
"I won't be voting for Jeremy Corbyn and I don't think he can lead us to election victory in 2020."
Says Sadiq Khan, the man who nominated Jeremy Corbyn, and is now standing as Labour's candidate for London mayor.
The incoherence is magnificent. Khan is going to have that quote thrown in his face every time he goes within 40 miles of a journalist.
Lovin' it.0 -
Hmm. How's this for a series of events?:
1) Conservatives go for Heathrow
2) Goldsmith resigns
3) By-election held (if blue hold, no real kudos, if they lose, early advantage to Corbyn)
4) Conservatives have less popular mayoral candidate, possibly with Goldsmith as an independent. Khan wins
5) Corbyn gets boost, harder to defenestrate
6) Khan enacts ethnic quotas policy, or at least champions it, and this plays terribly across the country for the next four years
Winning London *might* be Pyrrhic for Labour. Except that Pyrrhus was competent, of course.0 -
He was a Tory. There you go.MarqueeMark said:
Blairism?surbiton said:
How would you describe the act of Party's giving knighthood's to their donors ?RobD said:
I thought he was dishing out money to his favourite causes in a bid to get re-elected? Sounds corrupt to me. I hope the Judge didn't call him an exemplar of British politics.surbiton said:
I think you will find the Judge's report did not label him as a corrupt politician. It also did not find him as an extremist Jihadi.RobD said:
I really don't think being Muslim made him a corrupt mayor.Speedy said:I think Khan will be a bad mayor, after the well known painful decade long mayoralty of Lutfur Rahman, I have a deep distrust towards local muslim politicians.
0 -
But the way south Asian politics works, he is now going to be surrounded by "community spokesmen" (and they will 95% be men) trying to get to rub shoulders. Usually for their own preferment.Speedy said:
It was a very strong identity politics that kept a very corrupt and incompetent person as mayor, as such i'm allergic to people whom their only selling point is either the colour of their skin, their religion, or their gender.RobD said:
I really don't think being Muslim made him a corrupt mayor.Speedy said:I think Khan will be a bad mayor, after the well known painful decade long mayoralty of Lutfur Rahman, I have a deep distrust towards local muslim politicians.
Khan will have to persuade me that he isn't a new Lutfur Rahman.
It will look distinctly grubby.0 -
I still seriously think the new London Airport should be built near Birmingham, perhaps on a less hemmed in plot of land somewhere to the SE of the current Birmingham International. With HS2 running by would put it a little over 30m from central London (linking in to Crossrail 2) and only about 45 from Manchester and Leeds.SandyRentool said:
Why can't Londoners just connect through Amsterdam like the rest of us do?JosiasJessop said:
Whilst I still prefer Boris Island to Heathrow expansion as a long-term solution, that battle's been lost. London needs more capacity ASAP, and more endless talking will just cause the London and UK economy harm.SeanT said:
Against.rottenborough said:Heathrow now seriously in play. What is Corbynista view of airport expansion?
Let's get building at Heathrow.
And we should call it David Attenborough (London Midland) Airport.0 -
FORMAL CONCLUSIONS
672 The court is satisfied and certifies that in the election for the Mayor of the London
Borough of Tower Hamlets held on 22 May 2014:
a) the First Respondent Mr Rahman was guilty by his agents of corrupt practices contrary to:
i) s 60 of the 1983 Act;
ii) s 62A of the 1983 Act;
b) the First Respondent Mr Rahman was guilty by his agents of illegal practices contrary
to:
i) s 13D(1) of the 1983 Act;
ii) s 61(1)(a) of the 1983 Act;
c) the First Respondent Mr Rahman was personally guilty and guilty by his agents of an illegal practice contrary to s 106 of the 1983 Act;
d) the First Respondent Mr Rahman was guilty by his agents of an illegal practice contrary to s 111 of the 1983 Act;
e) the First Respondent Mr Rahman was personally guilty and guilty by his agents of a corrupt practice contrary to s 113 of the 1983 Act;
f) the First Respondent Mr Rahman was personally guilty and guilty by his agents of a corrupt practice contrary to s 115 of the 1983 Act.0 -
Living wage, northern powerhouse, increases in the personal allowance, just you wait.Danny565 said:
Come on, NOBODY outside the Westminster bubble thinks Osborne is "centrist"!DavidL said:
You are so far off the mark with Osborne. I was referred to this on here yesterday and it is a really interesting piece: http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2015/09/ascent-submarine-george-osborne-talks-jason-cowleyFrankBooth said:fpt
What do the Tories want to do about Corbyn? If he is so terrible for Labour wouldn't it be better that he stayed there? Tim Montgomerie thinks this is a chance to knock Labour off their morally superior perch. Perhaps, but that in itself is rather revealing.
10 years ago when Cameron first came along it was all about how the Tories cared too and had no less of a moral conscience than Labour did, they just disagreed on means. It would appear they've given up on that and Osborne seems entirely comfortable in his ruthlessly cynical skin. It must grate them though to have to deal with Labour's sanctimony when the reality in their minds is that Labour is just as much in the moral gutter as they are. They're just two sides of the same opportunist coin who've chosen different paths.
Montgomerie reckons politics could be about to get ugly. That has its downsides but parliamentary democracy is supposed to represent the broad views of the electorate. If the nation starts washing its dirty laundry in the House of Commons it might at least be rather more honest than the phoney civility of the 'right honourable member.'
As you would expect given that it is the New Statesman it is not uncritical but his determination to dominate the centre ground and his easy acceptance of a positive roll for the State shows what problems Labour have. And that is before they elect an intellectual muppet.
The public perception of him is that he's a typical Tory only interested in the rich (moreso than Cameron who imo people think he atleast attempts to understand poorer people), but that atleast he's competent and has a clear sense of where he's going.0 -
York City... I don't give a diddly squat what happens in America... which has severe racial problems anyway.. I am more concerned about the Mayor of the Capital City of the UK deciding that there will be ethnic quotas..which is racist.. and will be seen to be racist. Whatever his own personal successful back story is it has absolutely nothing to do with it and in any case points to the fact that anyone can be successful without ethnic quotas..if they try hard enough...
0 -
I believe the answer to that is in the Davies final report:SandyRentool said:
Why can't Londoners just connect through Amsterdam like the rest of us do?JosiasJessop said:
Whilst I still prefer Boris Island to Heathrow expansion as a long-term solution, that battle's been lost. London needs more capacity ASAP, and more endless talking will just cause the London and UK economy harm.SeanT said:
Against.rottenborough said:Heathrow now seriously in play. What is Corbynista view of airport expansion?
Let's get building at Heathrow.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/440316/airports-commission-final-report.pdf
I think page 45 onwards might be most relevant.0 -
No, I think you'll find there YOU go. Any idea how asinine you sound saying Blair was a Tory?surbiton said:
He was a Tory. There you go.MarqueeMark said:
Blairism?surbiton said:
How would you describe the act of Party's giving knighthood's to their donors ?RobD said:
I thought he was dishing out money to his favourite causes in a bid to get re-elected? Sounds corrupt to me. I hope the Judge didn't call him an exemplar of British politics.surbiton said:
I think you will find the Judge's report did not label him as a corrupt politician. It also did not find him as an extremist Jihadi.RobD said:
I really don't think being Muslim made him a corrupt mayor.Speedy said:I think Khan will be a bad mayor, after the well known painful decade long mayoralty of Lutfur Rahman, I have a deep distrust towards local muslim politicians.
0 -
Khan starts with one advantage, being a muslim in a minority city, and one disadvantage, having to prove that he's harmless.Bob__Sykes said:Thought Jowell was a shoo-in. I imagine Khan has won on the back of all the London-based Corbyn sign-ups, but it shows how utterly deluded Labour is.
Khan vs Goldsmith, especially as both become more widely known to Londoners, is no contest. Zac should win with ease.
What a great start to Labour's worst weekend ever.....
Goldsmith starts with one disadvantage, that he's a Tory in a largely increasingly left wing city, so he has to prove that he can fight for the interests and tastes of the locals ( Will Heathrow do? ).0 -
Incidentally, it seems turnout was higher than was being rumoured yesterday:
114, 839 people were eligible to vote, 87,954 used their vote in the contest. - http://labourlist.org/2015/09/sadiq-khan-wins-race-to-be-labours-candidate-for-london-mayor/0 -
I may be being slow - or just not keeping up with matters - but isn't there some sort of rule about the leader and deputy of the Labour Party both possessing a winkie? i.e. that's not allowed. So if Corbyn wins...HenryGManson said:Hope some PBers got the 33s and 25s on Sadiq at the time. Zac is clearly not to be underestimated if he is the candidate. I'm sure most Khan backers will hedge accordingly if they have not done so already.
My 6/4 recommendation on Tom Watson for Deputy is looking good. http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2015/06/10/henry-g-manson-tom-watson-should-be-odds-on-for-lab-deputy/ although as I have since posted following my pitch for Yvette that I just didn't appreciate the Corbyn phenomenon. Can't win 'em all.0 -
For Corbyn fashion fans - he looks like he's lost his boat http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/fashion-and-style/11858601/Corbyns-casual-summery-style-our-style-editors-verdict.html0
-
Huge thank you to Henry G for his outsranding tip.
Fwiw, I would have voted for Goldsmith ahead of Jowell, but not Khan.0 -
Blimey, Diane Abbott made it to the fourth round – we do live in interesting times.Danny565 said:Incidentally, it seems turnout was higher than was being rumoured yesterday:
114, 839 people were eligible to vote, 87,954 used their vote in the contest. - http://labourlist.org/2015/09/sadiq-khan-wins-race-to-be-labours-candidate-for-london-mayor/0 -
The judgement in that case was incredible. The description of the collection of hundreds of postal votes, steaming them open, correcting any that had the wrong answer and then resealing them was one of the many highlights.RobD said:FORMAL CONCLUSIONS
672 The court is satisfied and certifies that in the election for the Mayor of the London
Borough of Tower Hamlets held on 22 May 2014:
a) the First Respondent Mr Rahman was guilty by his agents of corrupt practices contrary to:
i) s 60 of the 1983 Act;
ii) s 62A of the 1983 Act;
b) the First Respondent Mr Rahman was guilty by his agents of illegal practices contrary
to:
i) s 13D(1) of the 1983 Act;
ii) s 61(1)(a) of the 1983 Act;
c) the First Respondent Mr Rahman was personally guilty and guilty by his agents of an illegal practice contrary to s 106 of the 1983 Act;
d) the First Respondent Mr Rahman was guilty by his agents of an illegal practice contrary to s 111 of the 1983 Act;
e) the First Respondent Mr Rahman was personally guilty and guilty by his agents of a corrupt practice contrary to s 113 of the 1983 Act;
f) the First Respondent Mr Rahman was personally guilty and guilty by his agents of a corrupt practice contrary to s 115 of the 1983 Act.0 -
Can't remember where I saw this, but I think the polling shows that Londoners are more or less split down the middle on whether Heathrow expansion is a good or a bad thing. On the one hand lots of opposition in leafy Richmond and Kew, but in Hounslow (where thousands of people's jobs depend on the airport) I suspect views are rather different.Speedy said:
Khan starts with one advantage, being a muslim in a minority city, and one disadvantage, having to prove that he's harmless.Bob__Sykes said:Thought Jowell was a shoo-in. I imagine Khan has won on the back of all the London-based Corbyn sign-ups, but it shows how utterly deluded Labour is.
Khan vs Goldsmith, especially as both become more widely known to Londoners, is no contest. Zac should win with ease.
What a great start to Labour's worst weekend ever.....
Goldsmith starts with one disadvantage, that he's a Tory in a largely increasingly left wing city, so he has to prove that he can fight for the interests and tastes of the locals ( Will Heathrow do? ).0 -
FINAL LABOURLIST POLL:
Corbyn 52%
Cooper 23%
Burnham 13%
Kendall 12%
However, as a sign of how unreliable that is, Tessa Jowell narrowly beat Sadiq in the final mayoral Labourlist poll...0 -
Creasy and Corbs win tomorrow and I get a complete slate of first choices!0
-
Not sure if we spotted this survey at the time (late August) - it's a proper survey though of voters generally rather than the selectorate. It would be odd if the trend to Corbyn among the wider electorate was opposite to the trend within the party, so it's another straw in the wind and quite a substantial one. Corbyn leads in pretty much all sections including 2015 Tories (who may have other motives) but especially "other parties" (UKIP/Green, presumably) and women. LibDems marginally prefer Burnham.
http://ourinsight.opinium.co.uk/survey-results/momentum-corbyn0 -
also good for corbyn I would think.SimonStClare said:
Blimey, Diane Abbott made it to the fourth round – we do live in interesting times.Danny565 said:Incidentally, it seems turnout was higher than was being rumoured yesterday:
114, 839 people were eligible to vote, 87,954 used their vote in the contest. - http://labourlist.org/2015/09/sadiq-khan-wins-race-to-be-labours-candidate-for-london-mayor/0 -
Though Corbyn winning is, of course, a total disaster, I do think Burnham on 13% would be rather funny.Danny565 said:FINAL LABOURLIST POLL:
Corbyn 52%
Cooper 23%
Burnham 13%
Kendall 12%
However, as a sign of how unreliable that is, Tessa Jowell narrowly beat Sadiq in the final mayoral Labourlist poll...0 -
'Inhuman' paedophile ring jailed
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-34219235
As some would say on here, 'note the names'0 -
I'm not sure Khan's advantage helps very much as surely most Muslims in London will have voted Lab anyway. Against that you have the Rahman factor, which could be very damaging. Didn't some polling show black voters were less likely to vote for Khan than Jowell?Speedy said:
Khan starts with one advantage, being a muslim in a minority city, and one disadvantage, having to prove that he's harmless.Bob__Sykes said:Thought Jowell was a shoo-in. I imagine Khan has won on the back of all the London-based Corbyn sign-ups, but it shows how utterly deluded Labour is.
Khan vs Goldsmith, especially as both become more widely known to Londoners, is no contest. Zac should win with ease.
What a great start to Labour's worst weekend ever.....
Goldsmith starts with one disadvantage, that he's a Tory in a largely increasingly left wing city, so he has to prove that he can fight for the interests and tastes of the locals ( Will Heathrow do? ).0 -
No, I passed the candidate test, and Islington South and Finsbury Borough was the seat I was thinking of contesting, but decided not to standsurbiton said:
But you were a UKIP candidate somewhere ?isam said:
I wasn't, so I didn't!surbiton said:
Were you not the UKIP candidate in Islington ? Did you win ?isam said:
Oh I didn't actually! I'm not really into all thatLennon said:
You know that the London Mayoralty uses Supplementary Vote right? So you can Vote UKIP-1, Zac-2.isam said:UKIP should not stand in the London Mayoralty. Every vote counts, Khan cannot be MoL.
I'd be voting Goldsmith even if I were the UKIP candidate!!
Anything to stop a left wing muslim who proposes ethnic quotas running London. Seeing the violence in Brick Lane last night, this could be the start of a lot of trouble.
Ill vote Zac-1 Zac-2 just to make sure there can be no misunderstanding.
If Khan wins I'll start OZIP (Outer Zones Independence Party)0 -
Burnham on 13 is just awful. I'm crying in my beer.ThomasNashe said:
Though Corbyn winning is, of course, a total disaster, I do think Burnham on 13% would be rather funny.Danny565 said:FINAL LABOURLIST POLL:
Corbyn 52%
Cooper 23%
Burnham 13%
Kendall 12%
However, as a sign of how unreliable that is, Tessa Jowell narrowly beat Sadiq in the final mayoral Labourlist poll...
Just why did anyone think he was of any use in the first place?
0 -
This also increases the chance of a Richmond Park by-election.
Excellent news!0 -
Never mind. I think I'm confused.Anorak said:
I may be being slow - or just not keeping up with matters - but isn't there some sort of rule about the leader and deputy of the Labour Party both possessing a winkie? i.e. that's not allowed. So if Corbyn wins...HenryGManson said:Hope some PBers got the 33s and 25s on Sadiq at the time. Zac is clearly not to be underestimated if he is the candidate. I'm sure most Khan backers will hedge accordingly if they have not done so already.
My 6/4 recommendation on Tom Watson for Deputy is looking good. http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2015/06/10/henry-g-manson-tom-watson-should-be-odds-on-for-lab-deputy/ although as I have since posted following my pitch for Yvette that I just didn't appreciate the Corbyn phenomenon. Can't win 'em all.0 -
I think this is appropriate:ThomasNashe said:
Though Corbyn winning is, of course, a total disaster, I do think Burnham on 13% would be rather funny.Danny565 said:FINAL LABOURLIST POLL:
Corbyn 52%
Cooper 23%
Burnham 13%
Kendall 12%
However, as a sign of how unreliable that is, Tessa Jowell narrowly beat Sadiq in the final mayoral Labourlist poll...
http://replygif.net/i/235.gif0 -
It's telling that in this post you have to twice resort to identity politics: criticising someone for being born into a wealthy family and also criticising people for living in the shires (which is the majority of English people, by the way).Yorkcity said:The Bus Drivers son v The Billionaires son.
The back stories are intresting.
I think Sadiq Khan is a good choice for London.
Obviously not for the disgusted from tunbridge wells on PB from the shires.
0 -
He came 4th in 2010, so the writing was always on the wall that he wasn't very good.flightpath01 said:
Burnham on 13 is just awful. I'm crying in my beer.ThomasNashe said:
Though Corbyn winning is, of course, a total disaster, I do think Burnham on 13% would be rather funny.Danny565 said:FINAL LABOURLIST POLL:
Corbyn 52%
Cooper 23%
Burnham 13%
Kendall 12%
However, as a sign of how unreliable that is, Tessa Jowell narrowly beat Sadiq in the final mayoral Labourlist poll...
Just why did anyone think he was of any use in the first place?0 -
Is Betfair down?0
-
Nope - ethnic minorities typically don't turn out for anything less than general elections (but some Muslims may make an exception this time, especially if the Conservatives anger them with a "racist" campaign against Khan).GarethoftheVale2 said:<
I'm not sure Khan's advantage helps very much as surely most Muslims in London will have voted Lab anyway.
Though I still think Goldsmith is favourite, unless Labour have a big lead nationally at the time.0 -
I've just stuck in the full breakdown of the results into t'header
Means we can discuss how AV affected the result
http://bit.ly/1geNMiN0 -
Mr. Anorak, there was a rule about having at least one woman as either leader or deputy, but the simultaneous nature of the elections this time means it's impossible to enforce.
I realise it's hard to believe Labour might have a silly rule when it comes to leadership elections, but I think that's the case.0 -
Khan elected by Tories4Corbyn?
@BBCNormanS: Victorious @SadiqKhan got three times as many votes from new "£3 supporters" as @TessaJowell0 -
Cameron on TMS
Slating Corbyn0 -
Amazing scenes on Sky News of Turkish coastguard harassing a migrant boat and firing live rounds, into the air? over their heads?0
-
@BBCNormanS: Among £3 supporters - @SadiqKhan got 17,179 votes. @TessaJowell got 6351 . Labour being shaped by non party members.0
-
Mr. Eagles, has he been savaged by Boycott for blasphemy against God's Own County yet?
Edited extra bit: Mr. P, what was Khan's margin of victory?0 -
Has Cameron criticised Derbyshire?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, has he been savaged by Boycott for blasphemy against God's Own County yet?
0 -
I suspect you meant "runes" rather than "ruins" but a very apposite typo!FrankBooth said:As much as I dislike the Tories the thought of Goldsmith becoming London Mayor doesn't really bother me. But what about the poor old Blairites? I saw a very prominent Blairite who still pops up in the media sitting on his own in a pub just a few weeks after the election. He looked extremely glum - had he read the ruins?
0 -
Merkel's own sister party has come out against her stupid immigration decision:
http://www.dw.com/en/csu-denounces-merkels-refugee-policy-as-a-mistake/a-187081810 -
I'm loving the irony of Blairites, who are supposed to make their big shtick reaching out beyond core Labour voters, complaining about less tribally Labour people voting.Scott_P said:@BBCNormanS: Among £3 supporters - @SadiqKhan got 17,179 votes. @TessaJowell got 6351 . Labour being shaped by non party members.
Worth noting Khan performed better among £3 supporters than he did with trade union members.0 -
Worth noting that on Members only Jowell was in the lead from the first to the fourth round and Khan only narrowly won with the transfers of Abbott's members.TheScreamingEagles said:I've just stuck in the full breakdown of the results into t'header
Means we can discuss how AV affected the result
http://bit.ly/1geNMiN
It is thanks to the £3 members that he won comprehensively. Pointer to tomorrow?0 -
I don't think there is any need to wait. Its 565 who is behind the times. The role of 'Tory' in this left wing pantomime (or is it 'end of pier show'?) has been understudied for a while now by UKIP and they have now kindly taken over top billing.DavidL said:
Living wage, northern powerhouse, increases in the personal allowance, just you wait.Danny565 said:
Come on, NOBODY outside the Westminster bubble thinks Osborne is "centrist"!DavidL said:
You are so far off the mark with Osborne. I was referred to this on here yesterday and it is a really interesting piece: http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2015/09/ascent-submarine-george-osborne-talks-jason-cowleyFrankBooth said:fpt
What do the Tories want to do about Corbyn? If he is so terrible for Labour wouldn't it be better that he stayed there? Tim Montgomerie thinks this is a chance to knock Labour off their morally superior perch. Perhaps, but that in itself is rather revealing.
10 years ago when Cameron first came along it was all about how the Tories cared too and had no less of a moral conscience than Labour did, they just disagreed on means. It would appear they've given up on that and Osborne seems entirely comfortable in his ruthlessly cynical skin. It must grate them though to have to deal with Labour's sanctimony when the reality in their minds is that Labour is just as much in the moral gutter as they are. They're just two sides of the same opportunist coin who've chosen different paths.
Montgomerie reckons politics could be about to get ugly. That has its downsides but parliamentary democracy is supposed to represent the broad views of the electorate. If the nation starts washing its dirty laundry in the House of Commons it might at least be rather more honest than the phoney civility of the 'right honourable member.'
As you would expect given that it is the New Statesman it is not uncritical but his determination to dominate the centre ground and his easy acceptance of a positive roll for the State shows what problems Labour have. And that is before they elect an intellectual muppet.
The public perception of him is that he's a typical Tory only interested in the rich (moreso than Cameron who imo people think he atleast attempts to understand poorer people), but that atleast he's competent and has a clear sense of where he's going.0 -
So do I.JWisemann said:Creasy and Corbs win tomorrow and I get a complete slate of first choices!
0 -
I understand there is some interesting footage of Mr Khan at election meetings...0
-
It's definitely time to be checking Cameron & Osborne for witches' marks. Nobody is *this* lucky.0
-
14579Morris_Dancer said:Edited extra bit: Mr. P, what was Khan's margin of victory?
0 -
-
I think people saying that are comparing the share of these gangs that seem to be from each group with the respective shares of population.JosiasJessop said:'Inhuman' paedophile ring jailed
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-34219235
As some would say on here, 'note the names'0 -
Lib Dems surging herercs1000 said:This also increases the chance of a Richmond Park by-election.
Excellent news!
0 -
Glad to hear I'm not completely losing it. Given how quiet the media and Labour have been on the issue (it's not mentioned in Caroline Flint's equality piece from last month which explicitly dealt with how bad an all-male line-up would be) perhaps it was one of those 'aspirational' things, rather than an actual rule.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Anorak, there was a rule about having at least one woman as either leader or deputy, but the simultaneous nature of the elections this time means it's impossible to enforce.
I realise it's hard to believe Labour might have a silly rule when it comes to leadership elections, but I think that's the case.0 -
Simultaneously gross and fascinating.SeanT said:
Labour are like some paralysed spider, being eaten alive, by a small, nasty and very determined parasitic wasp. Something like the emerald jewel wasp.Scott_P said:@BBCNormanS: Among £3 supporters - @SadiqKhan got 17,179 votes. @TessaJowell got 6351 . Labour being shaped by non party members.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ySwuQhruBo0 -
Outrageous slur!Scrapheap_as_was said:Lost in a filter I shall repeat?
Labour linkedin
This is no time for a Woman.
50% of the candidates in the final round for Mayor, and (probably) Leader and Deputy Leader were women.
What more could you ask for?0 -
@JasonGroves1: Cameron says one Tory MP told him Corbyn was 'quite good', prompting another to chip in: 'I know, that's why I voted for him.'0
-
That is the Labour leadership election.....RobD said:
Simultaneously gross and fascinating.SeanT said:
Labour are like some paralysed spider, being eaten alive, by a small, nasty and very determined parasitic wasp. Something like the emerald jewel wasp.Scott_P said:@BBCNormanS: Among £3 supporters - @SadiqKhan got 17,179 votes. @TessaJowell got 6351 . Labour being shaped by non party members.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ySwuQhruBo
I'll get my coat
0 -
FPT @ Pro_Rata who said "As best can be told, the most recent common ancestor of all humanity lived only around 2000 years ago!"
You have your timeline off by quite a while. The current best scientific estimate for Mitochondrial Eve is 'between 99,000 and 200,000 years ago, most likely in East Africa'; and for Y Chromosomal Adam between 100,000 and 160,000 years ago. These estimates are based on mutation rates of DNA.0 -
Are you sure about that? Has Khan done a U-turn since 16th June?surbiton said:
120% for it. ! Labour must be mad not to support Heathrow expansion. Clear tarmac between Labour and the Tories / Libs / Greens.rottenborough said:Heathrow now seriously in play. What is Corbynista view of airport expansion?
What could be better ?
"Labour mayor contender Sadiq Khan rejects building third runway at Heathrow"
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/mayor/labour-mayor-contender-sadiq-khan-rejects-building-third-runway-at-heathrow-10323138.html
Labour mayoral hopeful Sadiq Khan today came out against a third runway at Heathrow, saying that London’s premier airport should be made “better but not bigger”.
His move opened clear air between him and Labour rivals Dame Tessa Jowell and David Lammy. He branded the pair “ultra-Blairites” for backing the extra runway pushed a decade ago by former Labour premier Tony Blair.0 -
Don't care what their ethnicity. All child rapists should have their bits chopped off - without anaesthetic.JosiasJessop said:'Inhuman' paedophile ring jailed
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-34219235
As some would say on here, 'note the names'0 -
No I think people saying that are trying to profit from some horrific crime stories they have cherrypicked to create a misleading impression that one population is inherently worse than another.JEO said:
I think people saying that are comparing the share of these gangs that seem to be from each group with the respective shares of population.JosiasJessop said:'Inhuman' paedophile ring jailed
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-34219235
As some would say on here, 'note the names'
Taking stories about statistics would refer to shares. Taking cherrypicked stories is just meaningless at best.0 -
I think you're wrong.JEO said:
I think people saying that are comparing the share of these gangs that seem to be from each group with the respective shares of population.JosiasJessop said:'Inhuman' paedophile ring jailed
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-34219235
As some would say on here, 'note the names'
Agree. Although this example is particularly hideous.Blue_rog said:
Don't care what their ethnicity. All child rapists should have their bits chopped off - without anaesthetic.0 -
Mr. P, cheers. Didn't alter the result, then.
Mr. Rog, what about female child abusers?
On the wasp, another zombiefying life form (this time a fungus) is the real life basis for The Last Of Us (although in reality it doesn't affect humans):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuKjBIBBAL80 -
No he doesn't. Most recent common ancestor is not "Adam" or "Eve"...MTimT said:FPT @ Pro_Rata who said "As best can be told, the most recent common ancestor of all humanity lived only around 2000 years ago!"
You have your timeline off by quite a while. The current best scientific estimate for Mitochondrial Eve is 'between 99,000 and 200,000 years ago, most likely in East Africa'; and for Y Chromosomal Adam between 100,000 and 160,000 years ago. These estimates are based on mutation rates of DNA.
And is most likely from North East China or maybe Taiwan.0 -
Rusty chainsaw dipped in vinegar?Blue_rog said:
Don't care what their ethnicity. All child rapists should have their bits chopped off - without anaesthetic.JosiasJessop said:'Inhuman' paedophile ring jailed
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-34219235
As some would say on here, 'note the names'0 -
I thought London Mayor and Presedential politics was all about identity politics.?JEO said:
It's telling that in this post you have to twice resort to identity politics: criticising someone for being born into a wealthy family and also criticising people for living in the shires (which is the majority of English people, by the way).Yorkcity said:The Bus Drivers son v The Billionaires son.
The back stories are intresting.
I think Sadiq Khan is a good choice for London.
Obviously not for the disgusted from tunbridge wells on PB from the shires.
You stick to your shires and your rotten boroughs where nothing ever changes under FPTP.
0 -
Too high tech. What's wrong with two bricks brought together?Anorak said:
Rusty chainsaw dipped in vinegar?Blue_rog said:
Don't care what their ethnicity. All child rapists should have their bits chopped off - without anaesthetic.JosiasJessop said:'Inhuman' paedophile ring jailed
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-34219235
As some would say on here, 'note the names'0 -
It'll be an interesting by-election. If the government, as they should, continue to support Heathrow expansion, then I would think that the LibDems (as the anti-Heathrow party) will nab it.SquareRoot said:
Lib Dems surging herercs1000 said:This also increases the chance of a Richmond Park by-election.
Excellent news!
On the other hand, if there is a reversal (and either Gatwick or something else get the nod), then I think it'll be a Tory hold.
I do not see UKIP or a Corbyn led Labour Party putting up any kind of show in Richmond Park.0 -
I don't know that many people (on here at least) ever suggested that certain ethnicities were more disposed to paedophilia. My problem with the muslim gangs is that the establishment looked the other way because they were muslims, not that I think Muslims are necessarily more disposed to commiting the crime,Philip_Thompson said:
No I think people saying that are trying to profit from some horrific crime stories they have cherrypicked to create a misleading impression that one population is inherently worse than another.JEO said:
I think people saying that are comparing the share of these gangs that seem to be from each group with the respective shares of population.JosiasJessop said:'Inhuman' paedophile ring jailed
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-34219235
As some would say on here, 'note the names'
Taking stories about statistics would refer to shares. Taking cherrypicked stories is just meaningless at best.0 -
Many Cons should be voting for ZG holding their noses.
I know we have just had one but an entitled OE who just hoovered up 50 large from his mother to help in the campaign I would say is not what the Cons need right now.
I actually backed Shaun Bailey who is an operator and would have been perfect but sadly he seems no longer to be in the running.0 -
SpayedMorris_Dancer said:Mr. Rog, what about female child abusers?
0 -
It's not official policy, but it is much discussed informally.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Anorak, there was a rule about having at least one woman as either leader or deputy, but the simultaneous nature of the elections this time means it's impossible to enforce.
I realise it's hard to believe Labour might have a silly rule when it comes to leadership elections, but I think that's the case.0 -
One must move with the times. You could set it up as pay-per-view and donate proceeds to care for the victims.Philip_Thompson said:
Too high tech. What's wrong with two bricks brought together?Anorak said:
Rusty chainsaw dipped in vinegar?Blue_rog said:
Don't care what their ethnicity. All child rapists should have their bits chopped off - without anaesthetic.JosiasJessop said:'Inhuman' paedophile ring jailed
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-34219235
As some would say on here, 'note the names'0 -
Yes the irony of it , they wanted to reach out , but could not even be bothered to post a link on their websites .Danny565 said:
I'm loving the irony of Blairites, who are supposed to make their big shtick reaching out beyond core Labour voters, complaining about less tribally Labour people voting.Scott_P said:@BBCNormanS: Among £3 supporters - @SadiqKhan got 17,179 votes. @TessaJowell got 6351 . Labour being shaped by non party members.
Worth noting Khan performed better among £3 supporters than he did with trade union members.0 -
Jeremy Corbyn, Tom Watson and Sadiq Khan to be the three most high profile faces of Labour during the next few years...
Could Lab have found a more voter repellent threesome?0 -
As a LibDem and Corbyn supporter, I will be voting for Zac, and I agree that he will win with ease.Speedy said:
Khan starts with one advantage, being a muslim in a minority city, and one disadvantage, having to prove that he's harmless.Bob__Sykes said:Thought Jowell was a shoo-in. I imagine Khan has won on the back of all the London-based Corbyn sign-ups, but it shows how utterly deluded Labour is.
Khan vs Goldsmith, especially as both become more widely known to Londoners, is no contest. Zac should win with ease.
What a great start to Labour's worst weekend ever.....
Goldsmith starts with one disadvantage, that he's a Tory in a largely increasingly left wing city, so he has to prove that he can fight for the interests and tastes of the locals ( Will Heathrow do? ).
Not only is he passionately anti-Heathrow (and anti-TTIP) and independently minded, he is also very effective and personable. See his short video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47ErRJSoPls&feature=youtu.be
This will become more apparent to more people as the campaign develops. He should be favorite.
0 -
Well I do genuinely see where you are coming from, but I would call it the Walter Mitty London Wolverhampton Airport.Pro_Rata said:
I still seriously think the new London Airport should be built near Birmingham, perhaps on a less hemmed in plot of land somewhere to the SE of the current Birmingham International. With HS2 running by would put it a little over 30m from central London (linking in to Crossrail 2) and only about 45 from Manchester and Leeds.SandyRentool said:
Why can't Londoners just connect through Amsterdam like the rest of us do?JosiasJessop said:
Whilst I still prefer Boris Island to Heathrow expansion as a long-term solution, that battle's been lost. London needs more capacity ASAP, and more endless talking will just cause the London and UK economy harm.SeanT said:
Against.rottenborough said:Heathrow now seriously in play. What is Corbynista view of airport expansion?
Let's get building at Heathrow.
And we should call it David Attenborough (London Midland) Airport.
We should extend (double in length) one of the existing runways at Heathrow but only increase official capacity by 10%. It can then more easily overcome the inevitable backlogs that occur and be more efficient. We can also build additional runways at Stansted and Gatwick and create a speedy rail link between Heathrow and Gatwick. We could improve Northolt (?) for say freight traffic.0 -
On that I completely and 100% agree.isam said:
I don't know that many people (on here at least) ever suggested that certain ethnicities were more disposed to paedophilia. My problem with the muslim gangs is that the establishment looked the other way because they were muslims, not that I think Muslims are necessarily more disposed to commiting the crime,Philip_Thompson said:
No I think people saying that are trying to profit from some horrific crime stories they have cherrypicked to create a misleading impression that one population is inherently worse than another.JEO said:
I think people saying that are comparing the share of these gangs that seem to be from each group with the respective shares of population.JosiasJessop said:'Inhuman' paedophile ring jailed
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-34219235
As some would say on here, 'note the names'
Taking stories about statistics would refer to shares. Taking cherrypicked stories is just meaningless at best.
Taking a news story and saying "look at the names" is very different to criticising the news and establishment for not looking at the story until its way too late.0 -
Strange.. when I suggested the murderers of Lee Rigby be baseball batted, all hell broke loose on here and I was called some kind of medieval maniac. But eye for an eye etc is ok in some cases?Philip_Thompson said:
Too high tech. What's wrong with two bricks brought together?Anorak said:
Rusty chainsaw dipped in vinegar?Blue_rog said:
Don't care what their ethnicity. All child rapists should have their bits chopped off - without anaesthetic.JosiasJessop said:'Inhuman' paedophile ring jailed
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-34219235
As some would say on here, 'note the names'
0 -
Looking at the state of the American Primaries, I think we are quite lucky with our own billionaires.TOPPING said:Many Cons should be voting for ZG holding their noses.
I know we have just had one but an entitled OE who just hoovered up 50 large from his mother to help in the campaign I would say is not what the Cons need right now.
I actually backed Shaun Bailey who is an operator and would have been perfect but sadly he seems no longer to be in the running.0 -
I don't recall that thread. I think the difference is probably that "all child rapists should have their bits cut off" is clearly gallows humour as was my two bricks joke; whereas you may or may not have been serious. I don't know, wasn't there.isam said:
Strange.. when I suggested the murderers of Lee Rigby be baseball batted, all hell broke loose on here and I was called some kind of medieval maniac. But eye for an eye etc is ok in some cases?Philip_Thompson said:
Too high tech. What's wrong with two bricks brought together?Anorak said:
Rusty chainsaw dipped in vinegar?Blue_rog said:
Don't care what their ethnicity. All child rapists should have their bits chopped off - without anaesthetic.JosiasJessop said:'Inhuman' paedophile ring jailed
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-34219235
As some would say on here, 'note the names'0 -
How many seats do Labour have in Scotland these days?Yorkcity said:
I thought London Mayor and Presedential politics was all about identity politics.?JEO said:
It's telling that in this post you have to twice resort to identity politics: criticising someone for being born into a wealthy family and also criticising people for living in the shires (which is the majority of English people, by the way).Yorkcity said:The Bus Drivers son v The Billionaires son.
The back stories are intresting.
I think Sadiq Khan is a good choice for London.
Obviously not for the disgusted from tunbridge wells on PB from the shires.
You stick to your shires and your rotten boroughs where nothing ever changes under FPTP.0 -
New Thread New Thread
0 -
OK - I'm game, 'will it hurt?'Philip_Thompson said:
Too high tech. What's wrong with two bricks brought together?Anorak said:
Rusty chainsaw dipped in vinegar?Blue_rog said:
Don't care what their ethnicity. All child rapists should have their bits chopped off - without anaesthetic.JosiasJessop said:'Inhuman' paedophile ring jailed
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-34219235
As some would say on here, 'note the names'0 -
Where is the critisim ?JEO said:
It's telling that in this post you have to twice resort to identity politics: criticising someone for being born into a wealthy family and also criticising people for living in the shires (which is the majority of English people, by the way).Yorkcity said:The Bus Drivers son v The Billionaires son.
The back stories are intresting.
I think Sadiq Khan is a good choice for London.
Obviously not for the disgusted from tunbridge wells on PB from the shires.
0 -
That rule doesn't apply to this election. It was a nonsense anyway and was viewed as totally impractical when running both at the same time. Another of Harriet's brainwaves.Anorak said:
I may be being slow - or just not keeping up with matters - but isn't there some sort of rule about the leader and deputy of the Labour Party both possessing a winkie? i.e. that's not allowed. So if Corbyn wins...HenryGManson said:Hope some PBers got the 33s and 25s on Sadiq at the time. Zac is clearly not to be underestimated if he is the candidate. I'm sure most Khan backers will hedge accordingly if they have not done so already.
My 6/4 recommendation on Tom Watson for Deputy is looking good. http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2015/06/10/henry-g-manson-tom-watson-should-be-odds-on-for-lab-deputy/ although as I have since posted following my pitch for Yvette that I just didn't appreciate the Corbyn phenomenon. Can't win 'em all.0
