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Handed over is a little harsh given that they were essentially occupied. In any case, 45 years of Nato and Cold War eventually did the job.EPG said:
Which of course were handed over in the end to Soviet domination, so for all they knew in '39, it made little difference to fight...david_herdson said:
Indeed. Presumably he would have been delighted with the outcome of Munich and would have called for a new dialogue over Poland and Danzig.kle4 said:
Corbyn actually comes across as more reasonable than the chap from the Guardian at the beginning, quite frankly, for all I don't agree with his core premise. Corbyn seems to be calling for negotiation and implying we'd be better off without the place, that chap seems actively offended by our presence there. (Corbyn may believe the same for all I know, but it wasn't as obvious if he does think that)Plato said:htps://twitter.com/A_Liberty_Rebel/status/634684709608493056
The problem I have with his argument, and the pretensions of the Argentines, is this idea that by refusing to negotiate we are the ones ratcheting up tensions, or 'upping the ante' as he terms it - when really all we're doing is not, at present and I hope in future, changing our position to suit them. If they respond aggressively to escalate as a result of that, thankfully only with words these days, that is purely their choice, not ours, it is not our fault or responsibility if the other party respond inappropriately because we refuse to engage with them, even if them getting angry about it is perfectly reasonable, diplomatically.
It's the same problem as with his automatic 'talk not war' position, which naturally most people support as a starting position, but which isn't always viable. If our position and the Argentine position are impossible to reconcile, there's no point sitting down to talk about it. We are both entitled to be stubborn and see who will bend first. If either side responds with aggression, then they are morally more dubious and can hardly protest, sincerely, that we regard them as forfeiting any expectation we will modulate our position first to accommodate them.0 -
Is anybody else as cynical as me and think Corbyn's foreign policy motives are more twisted?
He wants to re-unify Ireland because Blair had a victory with it - and he hates Blair.
He wants to give the Falklands away because Thatcher had a victory with it - and he hates Thatcher.0 -
He wants to give away the Labour Party because he won the leadership - and he hates himself?Pauly said:Is anybody else as cynical as me and think Corbyn's foreign policy motives are more twisted?
He wants to re-unify Ireland because Blair had a victory with it - and he hates Blair.
He wants to give the Falklands away because Thatcher had a victory with it - and he hates Thatcher.0 -
Corbyn is a tieless wonderSouthamObserver said:Brave and polite, a radical soul
Jezza believes in coal not dole
He'll embrace as comrades murderers and villains
Just as long as they are anti-Americans
Boom, boom
Who upon one Burnham blunder
Stole a march upon the pack
So he could lead from the back0 -
David, can you drop me an email when your piece is ready.david_herdson said:
Handed over is a little harsh given that they were essentially occupied. In any case, 45 years of Nato and Cold War eventually did the job.EPG said:
Which of course were handed over in the end to Soviet domination, so for all they knew in '39, it made little difference to fight...david_herdson said:
Indeed. Presumably he would have been delighted with the outcome of Munich and would have called for a new dialogue over Poland and Danzig.kle4 said:
Corbyn actually comes across as more reasonable than the chap from the Guardian at the beginning, quite frankly, for all I don't agree with his core premise. Corbyn seems to be calling for negotiation and implying we'd be better off without the place, that chap seems actively offended by our presence there. (Corbyn may believe the same for all I know, but it wasn't as obvious if he does think that)Plato said:htps://twitter.com/A_Liberty_Rebel/status/634684709608493056
The problem I have with his argument, and the pretensions of the Argentines, is this idea that by refusing to negotiate we are the ones ratcheting up tensions, or 'upping the ante' as he terms it - when really all we're doing is not, at present and I hope in future, changing our position to suit them. If they respond aggressively to escalate as a result of that, thankfully only with words these days, that is purely their choice, not ours, it is not our fault or responsibility if the other party respond inappropriately because we refuse to engage with them, even if them getting angry about it is perfectly reasonable, diplomatically.
It's the same problem as with his automatic 'talk not war' position, which naturally most people support as a starting position, but which isn't always viable. If our position and the Argentine position are impossible to reconcile, there's no point sitting down to talk about it. We are both entitled to be stubborn and see who will bend first. If either side responds with aggression, then they are morally more dubious and can hardly protest, sincerely, that we regard them as forfeiting any expectation we will modulate our position first to accommodate them.
I'm your publisher this weekend.0 -
Speechless I am, Obi-wan.foxinsoxuk said:
There was an old man named Jez,SouthamObserver said:Brave and polite, a radical soul
Jezza believes in coal not dole
He'll embrace as comrades murderers and villains
Just as long as they are anti-Americans
Boom, boom
Who always does as he sez,
His friends in Hamas,
Cried "Oh, alas!
Jez, Swap that cap for a fez!"0 -
Got my e-ballot today. Voted Kendall 1, Cooper 2.
For Deputy voted Creasy, Flint, Bradshaw, Eagle, Watson.... I think.0 -
I think he's had his position on Ireland since before Blair came on the scene.Pauly said:Is anybody else as cynical as me and think Corbyn's foreign policy motives are more twisted?
He wants to re-unify Ireland because Blair had a victory with it - and he hates Blair.
He wants to give the Falklands away because Thatcher had a victory with it - and he hates Thatcher.
As for the Falklands, I imagine he has other reasons, but that one of his default defences of his position in that clip produced below was to make Britain, in essence, equally culpable by staying Thatcher used it as a distraction from her record (even if true that it did distract people, so what, she was not the one to instigate it in order to distract anyone) suggests hatred of her plays a role in his thinking.0 -
I've been doing a little research into whether AWS has worked, to settle an off-line discussion. So far I've reached some interesting and (to me) surprising 'conclusions', if they warrant the use of such string a word.SouthamObserver said:Not sure if they benefited from all women lists or not, but among the few bright points in the Labour clusterfuck are the likes of Stella Creasey, Gloria del Piero, Caroline Flint and Liz Kendall. Maybe Labour should just ban all men from all positions of authority. Diane Abbott notwithstanding the women have much more to offer than the blokes.
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Will do. Apologies for the delay. The doggerel ate my homework.TheScreamingEagles said:
David, can you drop me an email when your piece is ready.david_herdson said:
Handed over is a little harsh given that they were essentially occupied. In any case, 45 years of Nato and Cold War eventually did the job.EPG said:
Which of course were handed over in the end to Soviet domination, so for all they knew in '39, it made little difference to fight...david_herdson said:
Indeed. Presumably he would have been delighted with the outcome of Munich and would have called for a new dialogue over Poland and Danzig.kle4 said:
Corbyn actually comes across as more reasonable than the chap from the Guardian at the beginning, quite frankly, for all I don't agree with his core premise. Corbyn seems to be calling for negotiation and implying we'd be better off without the place, that chap seems actively offended by our presence there. (Corbyn may believe the same for all I know, but it wasn't as obvious if he does think that)Plato said:htps://twitter.com/A_Liberty_Rebel/status/634684709608493056
The problem I have with his argument, and the pretensions of the Argentines, is this idea that by refusing to negotiate we are the ones ratcheting up tensions, or 'upping the ante' as he terms it - when really all we're doing is not, at present and I hope in future, changing our position to suit them. If they respond aggressively to escalate as a result of that, thankfully only with words these days, that is purely their choice, not ours, it is not our fault or responsibility if the other party respond inappropriately because we refuse to engage with them, even if them getting angry about it is perfectly reasonable, diplomatically.
It's the same problem as with his automatic 'talk not war' position, which naturally most people support as a starting position, but which isn't always viable. If our position and the Argentine position are impossible to reconcile, there's no point sitting down to talk about it. We are both entitled to be stubborn and see who will bend first. If either side responds with aggression, then they are morally more dubious and can hardly protest, sincerely, that we regard them as forfeiting any expectation we will modulate our position first to accommodate them.
I'm your publisher this weekend.0 -
Good bloke. If I had a vote in this election, and wanted the best for the Labour party, that's how I would have gone. But I'm apparently a PB tory (tm).Freggles said:Got my e-ballot today. Voted Kendall 1, Cooper 2.
For Deputy voted Creasy, Flint, Bradshaw, Eagle, Watson.... I think.0 -
It's fine, I'm up until quite late.david_herdson said:
Will do. Apologies for the delay. The doggerel ate my homework.TheScreamingEagles said:
David, can you drop me an email when your piece is ready.david_herdson said:
Handed over is a little harsh given that they were essentially occupied. In any case, 45 years of Nato and Cold War eventually did the job.EPG said:
Which of course were handed over in the end to Soviet domination, so for all they knew in '39, it made little difference to fight...david_herdson said:
Indeed. Presumably he would have been delighted with the outcome of Munich and would have called for a new dialogue over Poland and Danzig.kle4 said:
Corbyn actually comes across as more reasonable than the chap from the Guardian at the beginning, quite frankly, for all I don't agree with his core premise. Corbyn seems to be calling for negotiation and implying we'd be better off without the place, that chap seems actively offended by our presence there. (Corbyn may believe the same for all I know, but it wasn't as obvious if he does think that)Plato said:htps://twitter.com/A_Liberty_Rebel/status/634684709608493056
The problem I have with his argument, and the pretensions of the Argentines, is this idea that by refusing to negotiate we are the ones ratcheting up tensions, or 'upping the ante' as he terms it - when really all we're doing is not, at present and I hope in future, changing our position to suit them. If they respond aggressively to escalate as a result of that, thankfully only with words these days, that is purely their choice, not ours, it is not our fault or responsibility if the other party respond inappropriately because we refuse to engage with them, even if them getting angry about it is perfectly reasonable, diplomatically.
It's the same problem as with his automatic 'talk not war' position, which naturally most people support as a starting position, but which isn't always viable. If our position and the Argentine position are impossible to reconcile, there's no point sitting down to talk about it. We are both entitled to be stubborn and see who will bend first. If either side responds with aggression, then they are morally more dubious and can hardly protest, sincerely, that we regard them as forfeiting any expectation we will modulate our position first to accommodate them.
I'm your publisher this weekend.
Your piece might be third ever PB piece to published from inside a cinema0 -
Labour policy is pretty much being decided by a 17yo at this point.Plato said:0 -
Quite. It's the 3 that settles it for me.corporeal said:
1. Gender doesn't refer to physical status.Plato said:Well quite. It's easy, tick the box that you define as. Whatever your genitals are right now.
JEO said:
Reminds me of this:MyBurningEars said:
I don't understand the point of asking for gender. Asking for their preferred mode of address should be enough. And it is true that transgender people, however few in numbers they may be, find this kind of thing unnecessarily insulting.Plato said:
"I sexually Identify as an Attack Helicopter. Ever since I was a boy I dreamed of soaring over the oilfields dropping hot sticky loads on disgusting foreigners. People say to me that a person being a helicopter is Impossible and I’m fucking retarded but I don’t care, I’m beautiful. I’m having a plastic surgeon install rotary blades, 30 mm cannons and AMG-114 Hellfire missiles on my body. From now on I want you guys to call me “Apache” and respect my right to kill from above and kill needlessly. If you can’t accept me you’re a heliphobe and need to check your vehicle privilege. Thank you for being so understanding."
2. Spectrum rather than binary.
3. It's very easy to accommodate the request.0 -
On the instigation, depends how much you think the withdrawal of the Naval Ship in the area (I forget what it was, an icebreaker I think, wouldn't have held the islands militarily but was taken symbolically of withdrawal). (Not saying it was done deliberately, but you can reasonably view the war as being caused by failures of British foreign policy to adequately express their position on the islands)kle4 said:
I think he's had his position on Ireland since before Blair came on the scene.Pauly said:Is anybody else as cynical as me and think Corbyn's foreign policy motives are more twisted?
He wants to re-unify Ireland because Blair had a victory with it - and he hates Blair.
He wants to give the Falklands away because Thatcher had a victory with it - and he hates Thatcher.
As for the Falklands, I imagine he has other reasons, but that one of his default defences of his position in that clip produced below was to make Britain, in essence, equally culpable by staying Thatcher used it as a distraction from her record (even if true that it did distract people, so what, she was not the one to instigate it in order to distract anyone) suggests hatred of her plays a role in his thinking.0 -
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Sigh... there is nothing secret about this. It is and was all very well known. And not just this - everything else.rottenborough said:
and so it keeps coming. Let's hope it is all not too late.Plato said:twitter.com/A_Liberty_Rebel/status/634684709608493056
So why you might ask did Labour MPs go out of their way to put him on a ticket which was well known to be virtually an open primary.
Is it only me that is getting a bit fed up?
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If someone is to be accused of doing something as distraction, I think the deliberate intent needs to be there. Someone might use an event which they unwittingly contributed to as a distraction later, and they could be attacked for that, but not painted with the brush of moral equivalency to those who deliberately instigated something for a particular purpose, in this case choosing to invade.corporeal said:
On the instigation, depends how much you think the withdrawal of the Naval Ship in the area (I forget what it was, an icebreaker I think, wouldn't have held the islands militarily but was taken symbolically of withdrawal). (Not saying it was done deliberately, but you can reasonably view the war as being caused by failures of British foreign policy to adequately express their position on the islands)kle4 said:
I think he's had his position on Ireland since before Blair came on the scene.Pauly said:Is anybody else as cynical as me and think Corbyn's foreign policy motives are more twisted?
He wants to re-unify Ireland because Blair had a victory with it - and he hates Blair.
He wants to give the Falklands away because Thatcher had a victory with it - and he hates Thatcher.
As for the Falklands, I imagine he has other reasons, but that one of his default defences of his position in that clip produced below was to make Britain, in essence, equally culpable by staying Thatcher used it as a distraction from her record (even if true that it did distract people, so what, she was not the one to instigate it in order to distract anyone) suggests hatred of her plays a role in his thinking.0 -
Corbyn to refuse to join the Privy Council...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11817530/Jeremy-Corbyn-to-refuse-position-on-Queens-Privy-Council-if-he-wins-Labour-leadership.html0 -
@tnewtondunn: EXCL: Caught Red Len-handed - Jeremy Corbyn at Unite HQ for 3 hour talks with McCluskey on how he'll lead Labour; http://t.co/4MRYWDRhsn0
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Yet in the Comres poll last Sunday both Cooper and Kendall had a net negative rating Burnham a net positive, and Corbyn at least has high favourables and would bring some energy to the party even if he also has higher negativesJosiasJessop said:
Good bloke. If I had a vote in this election, and wanted the best for the Labour party, that's how I would have gone. But I'm apparently a PB tory (tm).Freggles said:Got my e-ballot today. Voted Kendall 1, Cooper 2.
For Deputy voted Creasy, Flint, Bradshaw, Eagle, Watson.... I think.0 -
It comes as fresh evidence of the Labour leadership front-runner’s republicanism surfaced as his surge in support showed few signs of slowing.RodCrosby said:Corbyn to refuse to join the Privy Council...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11817530/Jeremy-Corbyn-to-refuse-position-on-Queens-Privy-Council-if-he-wins-Labour-leadership.html
A curious way of putting it. 'Fresh evidence...surfaced'. This isn't like alleged connections to unsavorary characters he'd try to explain away as something else, it's something pretty basic about his political position which it would be surprising if he did not believe, for all he might be advised to play it down right now (the only way he can do that is to not bring it himself I would have thought). The only surprise was his apparent initial failure to provide a response re the PC question.0 -
Golly, I don't think I have ever met anyone who has been Shanghaied in real life. Tell us do, were you wacked over the head by the wicked bosun and came to in the fetid foc'sle surrounded by jeering lascar seamen? Or were you taken to the bar by the outwardly charming but actually evil second mate and fed a micky-fin, also waking up in said sweaty, fetid, foc'sle etc.? How did you escape from the clutches of this gang of white slavers? I am agog to learn. Mr. Dancer might even be persuaded to move on from his fantasy world to write the "True adventures of daring Josiah Jessup amongst the opium tripe tongs of Dublin".JosiasJessop said:
Be warned: the first time I went to the Southampton Boat Show, I ended up sailing on a tall ship to Dublin (see avatar). At least if you get tempted to fly somewhere, it'll take less than five days ...foxinsoxuk said:
I am moderately tempted (Leicester are away that weekend) though it is also the Southampton Boat show and Bournmouth LD conference and I was considering doing the south coast double.HurstLlama said:
I hoped you might say that. Should be a good day out and even if the weather is crap there are enough under cover exhibits to visit in between beers. Once I have confirmed permission from Herself (she will worry about me getting back across London on my own after dark) I'll drop you a PM.
Any other PBers fancy a PBMeet with a twist?
Very likely that the LD conference will be overshadowed by the outcome of the Lab leadership and planning for the knife fight that will be the Labour conference whatever the winner.
Edit: and you'll avoid a terrible bout of seasickness. The more the merrier ...0 -
This feels like a crunch week for Corbyn, either for whether he can get over the finishing line (if his lead among members is not, in fact, as titanic as limited polling and the fact he's the only candidate who's campaigned well would have us believe and enough votes remain to be cast who might be swayed by the more intense attacks), or how long he might last when he wins. A bit of a sustained barrage of negative press, and how he is responding or not responding, might tip the balance if there is one, or will show up how well or badly he will do when elected and he starts getting even more of it.0
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Long winded lefties. I feel certain Tories would have received their instructions from their big doners in far more efficient a manner.Scott_P said:@tnewtondunn: EXCL: Caught Red Len-handed - Jeremy Corbyn at Unite HQ for 3 hour talks with McCluskey on how he'll lead Labour; http://t.co/4MRYWDRhsn
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"Ned, the three-year-old pet tabby cat of a Buzzfeed journalist, has been a party supporter since early this month. The cat has since been sent a ballot paper and was able to cast his vote in the four-way contest for leadership of the party even though he is not registered to vote in local or general elections."
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/aug/21/ned-the-cat-votes-corbyn-labour-leader-llamas?CMP=share_btn_tw0 -
The attacker picked his targets carefully, he seemed to go for foreigners but was either incompetent or unlucky in his execution.SeanT said:Reports now that one of the heroic soldiers on the train was a Brit.
The guy reportedly had an automatic rifle in an enclosed space. A blind man with it could have done more damage.
My understanding is the restraining party were largely US.
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When I was 35 I went to Brighton Uni to study Humanities, as a commited lefty who had voted Labour for the 3rd time (2010)
If you put the lecturers there into a mincing machine a remoulded them into one, you'd get Jeremy Corbyn
I left a year later and joined UKIP!0 -
1) This is polling. Worse, it is polling about a topic few people have any knowledge of.HYUFD said:
Yet in the Comres poll last Sunday both Cooper and Kendall had a net negative rating Burnham a net positive, and Corbyn at least has high favourables and would bring some energy to the party even if he also has higher negativesJosiasJessop said:
Good bloke. If I had a vote in this election, and wanted the best for the Labour party, that's how I would have gone. But I'm apparently a PB tory (tm).Freggles said:Got my e-ballot today. Voted Kendall 1, Cooper 2.
For Deputy voted Creasy, Flint, Bradshaw, Eagle, Watson.... I think.
2) It needs repeating: you really trust polling on this? It must be a devilishly hard thing to poll on, by its very nature.
I agree Corbyn might bring some energy to the party. I've said on here passim that the Conservatives are being slightly too dismissive of him. His energy might give people a fourth way forward.
OTOH, that same energy might be akin to a nuclear blast that destroys the party.0 -
Will he refuse to be appointed PM by the Queen if he wins an election?RodCrosby said:Corbyn to refuse to join the Privy Council...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11817530/Jeremy-Corbyn-to-refuse-position-on-Queens-Privy-Council-if-he-wins-Labour-leadership.html
(I know, I know, work with me on this...)0 -
That's a rather curious article. Whenever did the rules of this contest specify that you had to have told a canvasser you'd vote Labour to be eligible? If that's the rule, shouldn't they have told punters before snaffling their £3?Plato said:twitter.com/suttonnick/status/634827775216648193
This is heading more towards a Trading Standards investigation than a legal challenge to the result.0 -
To be fair: I am quite happy that Jezza will not be advising the Queen!kle4 said:
It comes as fresh evidence of the Labour leadership front-runner’s republicanism surfaced as his surge in support showed few signs of slowing.RodCrosby said:Corbyn to refuse to join the Privy Council...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11817530/Jeremy-Corbyn-to-refuse-position-on-Queens-Privy-Council-if-he-wins-Labour-leadership.html
A curious way of putting it. 'Fresh evidence...surfaced'. This isn't like alleged connections to unsavorary characters he'd try to explain away as something else, it's something pretty basic about his political position which it would be surprising if he did not believe, for all he might be advised to play it down right now (the only way he can do that is to not bring it himself I would have thought). The only surprise was his apparent initial failure to provide a response re the PC question.0 -
Does Buzzfeed always go so hard on political stories? I sense this undercurrent of anger at the Labour contest my sporadic visits there do not generally pick upAndyJS said:"Ned, the three-year-old pet tabby cat of a Buzzfeed journalist, has been a party supporter since early this month. The cat has since been sent a ballot paper and was able to cast his vote in the four-way contest for leadership of the party even though he is not registered to vote in local or general elections."
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/aug/21/ned-the-cat-votes-corbyn-labour-leader-llamas?CMP=share_btn_tw0 -
Well there's a relief.Plato said:twitter.com/TelePolitics/status/634830090820448256
But frankly - and honest really cross my heart and hope to die - I was only this morning - honest - wondering about how it could be squared that such an obvious traitor and security risk like Corbyn could be allowed into the Privy Council. Plus of course he would have to take the oath which he has previously said he does not believe in - ie an oath to the monarch.
We can only guess at the other nonsense games he will play as LOTO.
But then we have the issue of those Labour MPs who are currently on the PC. What can they now be trusted with?
It's always possible Corbyn would swear on his boy scout woodcraft badge I suppose.
You know - I don't think he really can win. Are there really so few semi sentient beings, as opposed to total thickos, in Labour that he can win? At best no rational Labour MP or even EXMP could vote for and endorse him. Such people are the ones Labour should be relying on aren't they?0 -
French media said the passengers who overpowered the suspect were US Marines who had heard the man loading a weapon in a toilet cubicle and confronted him when he came out.
Blimey. That's one hell of a close shave.
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The impact it will have on Labour canvassing in the future is exercising moderate Labourites on Twitter tooRichard_Nabavi said:
That's a rather curious article. Whenever did the rules of this contest specify that you had to have told a canvasser you'd vote Labour to be eligible? If that's the rule, shouldn't they have told punters before snaffling their £3?Plato said:twitter.com/suttonnick/status/634827775216648193
This is heading more towards a Trading Standards investigation than a legal challenge to the result.0 -
Good point.Plato said:The impact it will have on Labour canvassing in the future is exercising moderate Labourites on Twitter too
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There once was a man named Jeremy
Who said, "Leading Labour is very me.
I surprised with my surge
and next is the purge
If the PLP doesn't bury me..."0 -
Doesn't he have to do that as an MP?flightpath01 said:he would have to take the oath which he has previously said he does not believe in - ie an oath to the monarch.
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I suppose in theory she could pick his deputy leader to be PM, knowing he would not accept it himself, and he'd rule through them.ThreeQuidder said:
Will he refuse to be appointed PM by the Queen if he wins an election?RodCrosby said:Corbyn to refuse to join the Privy Council...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11817530/Jeremy-Corbyn-to-refuse-position-on-Queens-Privy-Council-if-he-wins-Labour-leadership.html
(I know, I know, work with me on this...)
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Labour actually did ok yesterday in those three by elections and saw swings from the Tories relative to 2012 and 2013.0
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I wish it'd been that exciting. There was a tall ship there, and I went for a walk around it. I got talking to one of the crew, who said they were looking for people to help them sail back, for a fee.HurstLlama said:
Golly, I don't think I have ever met anyone who has been Shanghaied in real life. Tell us do, were you wacked over the head by the wicked bosun and came to in the fetid foc'sle surrounded by jeering lascar seamen? Or were you taken to the bar by the outwardly charming but actually evil second mate and fed a micky-fin, also waking up in said sweaty, fetid, foc'sle etc.? How did you escape from the clutches of this gang of white slavers? I am agog to learn. Mr. Dancer might even be persuaded to move on from his fantasy world to write the "True adventures of daring Josiah Jessup amongst the opium tripe tongs of Dublin".JosiasJessop said:
Be warned: the first time I went to the Southampton Boat Show, I ended up sailing on a tall ship to Dublin (see avatar). At least if you get tempted to fly somewhere, it'll take less than five days ...foxinsoxuk said:
I am moderately tempted (Leicester are away that weekend) though it is also the Southampton Boat show and Bournmouth LD conference and I was considering doing the south coast double.HurstLlama said:
I hoped you might say that. Should be a good day out and even if the weather is crap there are enough under cover exhibits to visit in between beers. Once I have confirmed permission from Herself (she will worry about me getting back across London on my own after dark) I'll drop you a PM.
Any other PBers fancy a PBMeet with a twist?
Very likely that the LD conference will be overshadowed by the outcome of the Lab leadership and planning for the knife fight that will be the Labour conference whatever the winner.
Edit: and you'll avoid a terrible bout of seasickness. The more the merrier ...
No experience needed ...
I went for a quick pint in the superlative Platform and phone Mrs J who, when I said I had no urgent work on, told me I could go.
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I believe so. I'm sure someone can dig out what he said this time around, as a few (or at least one) republican MP said something along the lines of 'I'm taking this oath in order to represent my constituents' with heavy subtext of not believing a word of it, I believe.ThreeQuidder said:
Doesn't he have to do that as an MP?flightpath01 said:he would have to take the oath which he has previously said he does not believe in - ie an oath to the monarch.
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Well quite. It's all very juvenile posturing.ThreeQuidder said:
Doesn't he have to do that as an MP?flightpath01 said:he would have to take the oath which he has previously said he does not believe in - ie an oath to the monarch.
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Durham is presumably safe no matter what happens - Labour's floor is still pretty high, and even his arch opponents who think he is leading them on a path to destruction acknowledge Corbyn will probably at least have a small period with a Labour lead in the polls.justin124 said:Labour actually did ok yesterday in those three by elections and saw swings from the Tories relative to 2012 and 2013.
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Claps+ + the PB poetry contest is on!MJW said:There once was a man named Jeremy
Who said, "Leading Labour is very me.
I surprised with my surge
and next is the purge
If the PLP doesn't bury me..."0 -
No posturing for JC led Labour party - he'll be turning them absentionist, like SF.Plato said:Well quite. It's all very juvenile posturing.
ThreeQuidder said:
Doesn't he have to do that as an MP?flightpath01 said:he would have to take the oath which he has previously said he does not believe in - ie an oath to the monarch.
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This guy, making his party (and himself) look silly.kle4 said:
I believe so. I'm sure someone can dig out what he said this time around, as a few (or at least one) republican MP said something along the lines of 'I'm taking this oath in order to represent my constituents' with heavy subtext of not believing a word of it, I believe.ThreeQuidder said:
Doesn't he have to do that as an MP?flightpath01 said:he would have to take the oath which he has previously said he does not believe in - ie an oath to the monarch.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/as-an-mp-i-shouldnt-have-to-swear-allegiance-to-the-queen--i-serve-my-constituents-not-her-10284293.html0 -
The Corbyn flag is deepest red
It flies for heart and not for head
To fight oppression everywhere
(unless it's Jews, then we don't care)
Another day, another cause
But it's a futile task because
In five years time the world will see
Another Tory victory.0 -
It is polling which has been consistent with the only people whose opinion should really concern Labour, the voters themselves. 4 polls now have all shown Burnham the best of the 4 and Cooper at or near last. If they wish to ignore it, that is fine, it does not bother me, but Cooper certainly offers nothing to the party. She neither has the potential appeal to floating voters of Kendall or Burnham nor the ability to rally the left behind Labour and make inroads in Scotland which Corbyn could haveJosiasJessop said:
1) This is polling. Worse, it is polling about a topic few people have any knowledge of.HYUFD said:
Yet in the Comres poll last Sunday both Cooper and Kendall had a net negative rating Burnham a net positive, and Corbyn at least has high favourables and would bring some energy to the party even if he also has higher negativesJosiasJessop said:
Good bloke. If I had a vote in this election, and wanted the best for the Labour party, that's how I would have gone. But I'm apparently a PB tory (tm).Freggles said:Got my e-ballot today. Voted Kendall 1, Cooper 2.
For Deputy voted Creasy, Flint, Bradshaw, Eagle, Watson.... I think.
2) It needs repeating: you really trust polling on this? It must be a devilishly hard thing to poll on, by its very nature.
I agree Corbyn might bring some energy to the party. I've said on here passim that the Conservatives are being slightly too dismissive of him. His energy might give people a fourth way forward.
OTOH, that same energy might be akin to a nuclear blast that destroys the party.0 -
Dang, you make it all sound so.... comercial.JosiasJessop said:
I wish it'd been that exciting. There was a tall ship there, and I went for a walk around it. I got talking to one of the crew, who said they were looking for people to help them sail back, for a fee.
No experience needed ...
I went for a quick pint in the superlative Platform and phone Mrs J who, when I said I had no urgent work on, told me I could go.
Your versions sound much better ...
I bet it was a bit adventurous really. Being forced out along the ratlines in a howling gale by a drunken bosun's mate wielding a rattan cane whilst the mighty waves whipped to a frenzy by the terrible storm seemed to rise up to pluck you from the yardarm, perhaps. Maybe, the yachtsman you rescued from his stricken craft disappearing mysteriously one dark and moonless night leaving the captain, Mad Black Jack, in possession of a tin box he thought no one knew about.
Honestly you can't have an adventure on a tall ship which consisted of you paying them some money and then spending the next five days spewing your ring up. That isn't the way the world is supposed to work.0 -
But it's like polling about which 1 Direction member people prefer: a few would be very knowledgeable, whilst others, such as myself, might just blurt out the one they've heard of recently: Zayne someone-or-other.HYUFD said:
It is polling which has been consistent with the only people whose opinion should really concern Labour, the voters themselves. 4 polls now have all shown Burnham the best of the 4 and Cooper at or near last. If they wish to ignore it, that is fine, it does not bother me, but Cooper certainly offers nothing to the party. She neither has the potential appeal to floating voters of Kendall or Burnham nor the ability to rally the left behind Labour and make inroads in Scotland which Corbyn could haveJosiasJessop said:
1) This is polling. Worse, it is polling about a topic few people have any knowledge of.HYUFD said:
Yet in the Comres poll last Sunday both Cooper and Kendall had a net negative rating Burnham a net positive, and Corbyn at least has high favourables and would bring some energy to the party even if he also has higher negativesJosiasJessop said:
Good bloke. If I had a vote in this election, and wanted the best for the Labour party, that's how I would have gone. But I'm apparently a PB tory (tm).Freggles said:Got my e-ballot today. Voted Kendall 1, Cooper 2.
For Deputy voted Creasy, Flint, Bradshaw, Eagle, Watson.... I think.
2) It needs repeating: you really trust polling on this? It must be a devilishly hard thing to poll on, by its very nature.
I agree Corbyn might bring some energy to the party. I've said on here passim that the Conservatives are being slightly too dismissive of him. His energy might give people a fourth way forward.
OTOH, that same energy might be akin to a nuclear blast that destroys the party.
At this stage it's just a name recognition game with the GBP.0 -
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Naught but Bourgeois Propaganda!david_herdson said:The Corbyn flag is deepest red
It flies for heart and not for head
To fight oppression everywhere
(unless it's Jews, then we don't care)
Another day, another cause
But it's a futile task because
In five years time the world will see
Another Tory victory.0 -
Kendall! And Creasy! (Nearly as alright as Reeves...)Sunil_Prasannan said:I got my email earlier today, but haven't voted yet
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Yes I suppose you are right - but it is an oath of secrecy and it involves (or can) quite a few people being involved in serious state secrets. And it may not apply to most things but it does involve everybody abiding by the same terms.ThreeQuidder said:
Doesn't he have to do that as an MP?flightpath01 said:he would have to take the oath which he has previously said he does not believe in - ie an oath to the monarch.
And, well... if its not so important, why make a fuss?
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Bloody hell! I got the Thalys train back at Easter, between Brussels and Amsterdam (changed at Brussels for/from the Eurostar)Y0kel said:
The attacker picked his targets carefully, he seemed to go for foreigners but was either incompetent or unlucky in his execution.SeanT said:Reports now that one of the heroic soldiers on the train was a Brit.
The guy reportedly had an automatic rifle in an enclosed space. A blind man with it could have done more damage.
My understanding is the restraining party were largely US.0 -
We did fire a potato gun at a Russian tall ship (*) in Dublin harbour, if that counts.HurstLlama said:
Dang, you make it all sound so.... comercial.JosiasJessop said:
I wish it'd been that exciting. There was a tall ship there, and I went for a walk around it. I got talking to one of the crew, who said they were looking for people to help them sail back, for a fee.
No experience needed ...
I went for a quick pint in the superlative Platform and phone Mrs J who, when I said I had no urgent work on, told me I could go.
Your versions sound much better ...
I bet it was a bit adventurous really. Being forced out along the ratlines in a howling gale by a drunken bosun's mate wielding a rattan cane whilst the mighty waves whipped to a frenzy by the terrible storm seemed to rise up to pluck you from the yardarm, perhaps. Maybe, the yachtsman you rescued from his stricken craft disappearing mysteriously one dark and moonless night leaving the captain, Mad Black Jack, in possession of a tin box he thought no one knew about.
Honestly you can't have an adventure on a tall ship which consisted of you paying them some money and then spending the next five days spewing your ring up. That isn't the way the world is supposed to work.
It was a great trip. The phosphorescence around the bow at night, sitting on watch on the roof of the midships cabin, seeing the lowest yard of the foremast sip below the wave crests during a storm. Slipping on the spew some other poor unfortunate had left beside a hatch, climbing the topgallant at night ...
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Class comment from the Unite spokesman though. I assume he meant "I can't guarantee an answer straight away"!kle4 said:
Long winded lefties. I feel certain Tories would have received their instructions from their big doners in far more efficient a manner.Scott_P said:@tnewtondunn: EXCL: Caught Red Len-handed - Jeremy Corbyn at Unite HQ for 3 hour talks with McCluskey on how he'll lead Labour; http://t.co/4MRYWDRhsn
Ducking questions on if Mr Corbyn had met with Mr McCluskey, the spokesman said: “I’ll ask, but I can’t guarantee a straight answer, particularly as it’s Friday”.0 -
So after much soul searching and several gin and tonics I just used my Tory infiltrator vote;foxinsoxuk said:
Kendall! And Creasy! (Nearly as alright as Reeves...)Sunil_Prasannan said:I got my email earlier today, but haven't voted yet
1) Kendall 2 ) Corbyn
1) Creasy 2) Watson
I feel a bit dirty....0 -
No it is not a name recognition game as most of the polls have been on a net favourability basis which is much less prone to name recognition. Labour ignored the polls in 2010 which clearly showed David Miliband more popular than Ed Miliband and paid the price, they look likely to repeat the same mistake, much as the Tories twice rejected Ken Clarke in favour of Hague or IDSJosiasJessop said:
But it's like polling about which 1 Direction member people prefer: a few would be very knowledgeable, whilst others, such as myself, might just blurt out the one they've heard of recently: Zayne someone-or-other.HYUFD said:
It is polling which has been consistent with the only people whose opinion should really concern Labour, the voters themselves. 4 polls now have all shown Burnham the best of the 4 and Cooper at or near last. If they wish to ignore it, that is fine, it does not bother me, but Cooper certainly offers nothing to the party. She neither has the potential appeal to floating voters of Kendall or Burnham nor the ability to rally the left behind Labour and make inroads in Scotland which Corbyn could haveJosiasJessop said:
1) This is polling. Worse, it is polling about a topic few people have any knowledge of.HYUFD said:
Yet in the Comres poll last Sunday both Cooper and Kendall had a net negative rating Burnham a net positive, and Corbyn at least has high favourables and would bring some energy to the party even if he also has higher negativesJosiasJessop said:
Good bloke. If I had a vote in this election, and wanted the best for the Labour party, that's how I would have gone. But I'm apparently a PB tory (tm).Freggles said:Got my e-ballot today. Voted Kendall 1, Cooper 2.
For Deputy voted Creasy, Flint, Bradshaw, Eagle, Watson.... I think.
2) It needs repeating: you really trust polling on this? It must be a devilishly hard thing to poll on, by its very nature.
I agree Corbyn might bring some energy to the party. I've said on here passim that the Conservatives are being slightly too dismissive of him. His energy might give people a fourth way forward.
OTOH, that same energy might be akin to a nuclear blast that destroys the party.
At this stage it's just a name recognition game with the GBP.0 -
Kendall/Creasy winning here!DearPB said:
So after much soul searching and several gin and tonics I just used my Tory infiltrator vote;foxinsoxuk said:
Kendall! And Creasy! (Nearly as alright as Reeves...)Sunil_Prasannan said:I got my email earlier today, but haven't voted yet
1) Kendall 2 ) Corbyn
1) Creasy 2) Watson
I feel a bit dirty....0 -
I can't take it seriously since one of my uncles described another (who was a member of the privy council) in a speech as "the Right Honorable X, my brother, who is rarely right and never honorable"flightpath01 said:
Yes I suppose you are right - but it is an oath of secrecy and it involves (or can) quite a few people being involved in serious state secrets. And it may not apply to most things but it does involve everybody abiding by the same terms.ThreeQuidder said:
Doesn't he have to do that as an MP?flightpath01 said:he would have to take the oath which he has previously said he does not believe in - ie an oath to the monarch.
And, well... if its not so important, why make a fuss?
Admittedly he was then followed up by my cousin who started his speech 'My Lords, Ladies, Gentleman, and friends of my father"0 -
I have canvassed, leafleted and helped the local labour party for the last decade or two.Richard_Nabavi said:
Good point.Plato said:The impact it will have on Labour canvassing in the future is exercising moderate Labourites on Twitter too
Last night I emailed to say I was no longer willing to support them next May in a marginal council seat unless Kendall or Cooper wins.
The response was what you would expect from labour Councillors in a middle class ward aware what is about to happen to the party.0 -
Seems a pity - most of us live with the fact that we sometimes in and sometimes lose, but we keep trying, within reason.ManchesterKurt said:
I have canvassed, leafleted and helped the local labour party for the last decade or two.Richard_Nabavi said:
Good point.Plato said:The impact it will have on Labour canvassing in the future is exercising moderate Labourites on Twitter too
Last night I emailed to say I was no longer willing to support them next May in a marginal council seat unless Kendall or Cooper wins.
The response was what you would expect from labour Councillors in a middle class ward aware what is about to happen to the party.0 -
Thats better. I knew there would be adventure and danger in there somewhere. I shan't ask about the opium tripe on this forum, mums the word eh?JosiasJessop said:
We did fire a potato gun at a Russian tall ship (*) in Dublin harbour, if that counts.HurstLlama said:
Dang, you make it all sound so.... comercial.JosiasJessop said:
I wish it'd been that exciting. There was a tall ship there, and I went for a walk around it. I got talking to one of the crew, who said they were looking for people to help them sail back, for a fee.
No experience needed ...
I went for a quick pint in the superlative Platform and phone Mrs J who, when I said I had no urgent work on, told me I could go.
Your versions sound much better ...
I bet it was a bit adventurous really. Being forced out along the ratlines in a howling gale by a drunken bosun's mate wielding a rattan cane whilst the mighty waves whipped to a frenzy by the terrible storm seemed to rise up to pluck you from the yardarm, perhaps. Maybe, the yachtsman you rescued from his stricken craft disappearing mysteriously one dark and moonless night leaving the captain, Mad Black Jack, in possession of a tin box he thought no one knew about.
Honestly you can't have an adventure on a tall ship which consisted of you paying them some money and then spending the next five days spewing your ring up. That isn't the way the world is supposed to work.
It was a great trip. The phosphorescence around the bow at night, sitting on watch on the roof of the midships cabin, seeing the lowest yard of the foremast sip below the wave crests during a storm. Slipping on the spew some other poor unfortunate had left beside a hatch, climbing the topgallant at night ...
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It's the 'within reason' bit which is the killer.NickPalmer said:Seems a pity - most of us live with the fact that we sometimes in and sometimes lose, but we keep trying, within reason.
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Is that why you flip-flopped to Corbyn? On the possibility you may win again... the desperation is depressingNickPalmer said:
Seems a pity - most of us live with the fact that we sometimes in and sometimes lose, but we keep trying, within reason.ManchesterKurt said:
I have canvassed, leafleted and helped the local labour party for the last decade or two.Richard_Nabavi said:
Good point.Plato said:The impact it will have on Labour canvassing in the future is exercising moderate Labourites on Twitter too
Last night I emailed to say I was no longer willing to support them next May in a marginal council seat unless Kendall or Cooper wins.
The response was what you would expect from labour Councillors in a middle class ward aware what is about to happen to the party.
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One of my lines when I run meetings and events is "Ladies and gentlemen, please take your seats and place them in the chairs provided."Charles said:
I can't take it seriously since one of my uncles described another (who was a member of the privy council) in a speech as "the Right Honorable X, my brother, who is rarely right and never honorable"flightpath01 said:
Yes I suppose you are right - but it is an oath of secrecy and it involves (or can) quite a few people being involved in serious state secrets. And it may not apply to most things but it does involve everybody abiding by the same terms.ThreeQuidder said:
Doesn't he have to do that as an MP?flightpath01 said:he would have to take the oath which he has previously said he does not believe in - ie an oath to the monarch.
And, well... if its not so important, why make a fuss?
Admittedly he was then followed up by my cousin who started his speech 'My Lords, Ladies, Gentleman, and friends of my father"0 -
Too much fun outside politics to get back in, I'd have thought.Pauly said:
Is that why you flip-flopped to Corbyn? On the possibility you may win again... the desperation is depressingNickPalmer said:
Seems a pity - most of us live with the fact that we sometimes in and sometimes lose, but we keep trying, within reason.ManchesterKurt said:
I have canvassed, leafleted and helped the local labour party for the last decade or two.Richard_Nabavi said:
Good point.Plato said:The impact it will have on Labour canvassing in the future is exercising moderate Labourites on Twitter too
Last night I emailed to say I was no longer willing to support them next May in a marginal council seat unless Kendall or Cooper wins.
The response was what you would expect from labour Councillors in a middle class ward aware what is about to happen to the party.0 -
Not really, I could not stand the national party in May, they are about to make it far far harder to have anything to agree with.NickPalmer said:
Seems a pity - most of us live with the fact that we sometimes in and sometimes lose, but we keep trying, within reason.ManchesterKurt said:
I have canvassed, leafleted and helped the local labour party for the last decade or two.Richard_Nabavi said:
Good point.Plato said:The impact it will have on Labour canvassing in the future is exercising moderate Labourites on Twitter too
Last night I emailed to say I was no longer willing to support them next May in a marginal council seat unless Kendall or Cooper wins.
The response was what you would expect from labour Councillors in a middle class ward aware what is about to happen to the party.
Priory in Trafford used to be a strong Labour ward, with three Labour councillors returned every four years with strong majorities.
Starting in May that will turn and quite frankly if Burnham or Corbyn lead the party in a direction that I fundamentally disagree with then fair enough as I would never wish to see my part of the world giving justification to their type of mental politics.0 -
I think you are channelling Joseph ConradJosiasJessop said:
We did fire a potato gun at a Russian tall ship (*) in Dublin harbour, if that counts.HurstLlama said:
Dang, you make it all sound so.... comercial.JosiasJessop said:
I wish it'd been that exciting. There was a tall ship there, and I went for a walk around it. I got talking to one of the crew, who said they were looking for people to help them sail back, for a fee.
No experience needed ...
I went for a quick pint in the superlative Platform and phone Mrs J who, when I said I had no urgent work on, told me I could go.
Your versions sound much better ...
I bet it was a bit adventurous really. Being forced out along the ratlines in a howling gale by a drunken bosun's mate wielding a rattan cane whilst the mighty waves whipped to a frenzy by the terrible storm seemed to rise up to pluck you from the yardarm, perhaps. Maybe, the yachtsman you rescued from his stricken craft disappearing mysteriously one dark and moonless night leaving the captain, Mad Black Jack, in possession of a tin box he thought no one knew about.
Honestly you can't have an adventure on a tall ship which consisted of you paying them some money and then spending the next five days spewing your ring up. That isn't the way the world is supposed to work.
It was a great trip. The phosphorescence around the bow at night, sitting on watch on the roof of the midships cabin, seeing the lowest yard of the foremast sip below the wave crests during a storm. Slipping on the spew some other poor unfortunate had left beside a hatch, climbing the topgallant at night ...
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Which is entirely your right, but I wonder if Labour HQ would block your vote if they knew of this, in the way that they're blocking Corbyn supporters who express similar sentiments (on the basis that they're not "real" Labour supporters if they'd only stay for certain leadership candidates).ManchesterKurt said:
I have canvassed, leafleted and helped the local labour party for the last decade or two.Richard_Nabavi said:
Good point.Plato said:The impact it will have on Labour canvassing in the future is exercising moderate Labourites on Twitter too
Last night I emailed to say I was no longer willing to support them next May in a marginal council seat unless Kendall or Cooper wins.
The response was what you would expect from labour Councillors in a middle class ward aware what is about to happen to the party.0 -
Corbyn
Kendall
Burnham
Cooper0 -
I have some sympathy with that but I've deliberately abstained from assisting Conservative candidates I've not approved of in the and given my support elsewhere. If the whole nature of a party were to change, as Labour's appears to be doing, then I could understand someone abstaining from offering help there too if they thought its new direction was too divergent from what they originally wanted to see.NickPalmer said:
Seems a pity - most of us live with the fact that we sometimes in and sometimes lose, but we keep trying, within reason.ManchesterKurt said:
I have canvassed, leafleted and helped the local labour party for the last decade or two.Richard_Nabavi said:
Good point.Plato said:The impact it will have on Labour canvassing in the future is exercising moderate Labourites on Twitter too
Last night I emailed to say I was no longer willing to support them next May in a marginal council seat unless Kendall or Cooper wins.
The response was what you would expect from labour Councillors in a middle class ward aware what is about to happen to the party.0 -
Quite possibly, since I voted Kendall 1 and Cooper 2 it won't make any difference.Danny565 said:
Which is entirely your right, but I wonder if Labour HQ would block your vote if they knew of this, in the way that they're blocking Corbyn supporters who express similar sentiments (on the basis that they're not "real" Labour supporters if they'd only stay for certain leadership candidates).ManchesterKurt said:
I have canvassed, leafleted and helped the local labour party for the last decade or two.Richard_Nabavi said:
Good point.Plato said:The impact it will have on Labour canvassing in the future is exercising moderate Labourites on Twitter too
Last night I emailed to say I was no longer willing to support them next May in a marginal council seat unless Kendall or Cooper wins.
The response was what you would expect from labour Councillors in a middle class ward aware what is about to happen to the party.
Either way, not sure how representative I am, sure plenty will replace me from the left.
But Labour are splitting and moving away from the part of the world in which I live.0 -
Louise Mensch seems to have rather amusingly embarrassed herself on Twitter this evening.0
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Just about every policy that Corbyn has, centralising power in London, removing investment in the north whilst promoting power and investment in the south east are enough to make me never want to support a party that would actively make my part of the world, a poor part, much poorer.david_herdson said:
I have some sympathy with that but I've deliberately abstained from assisting Conservative candidates I've not approved of in the and given my support elsewhere. If the whole nature of a party were to change, as Labour's appears to be doing, then I could understand someone abstaining from offering help there too if they thought its new direction was too divergent from what they originally wanted to see.NickPalmer said:
Seems a pity - most of us live with the fact that we sometimes in and sometimes lose, but we keep trying, within reason.ManchesterKurt said:
I have canvassed, leafleted and helped the local labour party for the last decade or two.Richard_Nabavi said:
Good point.Plato said:The impact it will have on Labour canvassing in the future is exercising moderate Labourites on Twitter too
Last night I emailed to say I was no longer willing to support them next May in a marginal council seat unless Kendall or Cooper wins.
The response was what you would expect from labour Councillors in a middle class ward aware what is about to happen to the party.0 -
Donald Trump - he's holding a rally in Mobile AL this evening, at Ladd Peebles Stadium. They are expecting 35,000 people. It's a very small stadium (40,000).
Compared to Jeb being here this week, when you looked round The Varsity you knew that everyone there was a voter.
The Trump rally looks more like an Elton John concert than a collection of voters. How many are there because it's the Trump Show?0 -
Did you give Stella one ?Sunil_Prasannan said:Corbyn
Kendall
Burnham
Cooper
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Ooh, I'm in Priory Ward!ManchesterKurt said:
Not really, I could not stand the national party in May, they are about to make it far far harder to have anything to agree with.NickPalmer said:
Seems a pity - most of us live with the fact that we sometimes in and sometimes lose, but we keep trying, within reason.ManchesterKurt said:
I have canvassed, leafleted and helped the local labour party for the last decade or two.Richard_Nabavi said:
Good point.Plato said:The impact it will have on Labour canvassing in the future is exercising moderate Labourites on Twitter too
Last night I emailed to say I was no longer willing to support them next May in a marginal council seat unless Kendall or Cooper wins.
The response was what you would expect from labour Councillors in a middle class ward aware what is about to happen to the party.
Priory in Trafford used to be a strong Labour ward, with three Labour councillors returned every four years with strong majorities.
Starting in May that will turn and quite frankly if Burnham or Corbyn lead the party in a direction that I fundamentally disagree with then fair enough as I would never wish to see my part of the world giving justification to their type of mental politics.
I've always been quite surprised by how reliable the Labour vote is here; it doesn't, on the face of it, look like a Labour banker; though maybe some of it is a personal vote for the Councillors who have, as you say, been there for some time (I've met at least two of them, and, as a Tory, found them to be entirely reasonable people).
I agree, it's not the sort of area to be wildly enthusiastic about a Corbyn-ite Labour. Although having said that, the arrival of the BBC seems to have brought a minor influx of middle-class-extreme-lefties to Sale.0 -
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I know the 3 councillors very well.Cookie said:
Ooh, I'm in Priory Ward!ManchesterKurt said:
Not really, I could not stand the national party in May, they are about to make it far far harder to have anything to agree with.NickPalmer said:
Seems a pity - most of us live with the fact that we sometimes in and sometimes lose, but we keep trying, within reason.ManchesterKurt said:
I have canvassed, leafleted and helped the local labour party for the last decade or two.Richard_Nabavi said:
Good point.Plato said:The impact it will have on Labour canvassing in the future is exercising moderate Labourites on Twitter too
Last night I emailed to say I was no longer willing to support them next May in a marginal council seat unless Kendall or Cooper wins.
The response was what you would expect from labour Councillors in a middle class ward aware what is about to happen to the party.
Priory in Trafford used to be a strong Labour ward, with three Labour councillors returned every four years with strong majorities.
Starting in May that will turn and quite frankly if Burnham or Corbyn lead the party in a direction that I fundamentally disagree with then fair enough as I would never wish to see my part of the world giving justification to their type of mental politics.
I've always been quite surprised by how reliable the Labour vote is here; it doesn't, on the face of it, look like a Labour banker; though maybe some of it is a personal vote for the Councillors who have, as you say, been there for some time (I've met at least two of them, and, as a Tory, found them to be entirely reasonable people).
I agree, it's not the sort of area to be wildly enthusiastic about a Corbyn-ite Labour. Although having said that, the arrival of the BBC seems to have brought a minor influx of middle-class-extreme-lefties to Sale.
The elections in May are not being looked forward to.
BTW - I live just Washway Rd side of the bridge on Dane Rd.0 -
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The Donald Trump Show episode 82:Tim_B said:Donald Trump - he's holding a rally in Mobile AL this evening, at Ladd Peebles Stadium. They are expecting 35,000 people. It's a very small stadium (40,000).
Compared to Jeb being here this week, when you looked round The Varsity you knew that everyone there was a voter.
The Trump rally looks more like an Elton John concert than a collection of voters. How many are there because it's the Trump Show?
http://www.fox10tv.com/category/291730/livestreaming-on-fox10
A Fox marathon.0 -
In the mid 70s I worked in Sale on Washway Rd, lived in Knutsford.ManchesterKurt said:
I know the 3 councillors very well.Cookie said:
Ooh, I'm in Priory Ward!ManchesterKurt said:
Not really, I could not stand the national party in May, they are about to make it far far harder to have anything to agree with.NickPalmer said:
Seems a pity - most of us live with the fact that we sometimes in and sometimes lose, but we keep trying, within reason.ManchesterKurt said:
I have canvassed, leafleted and helped the local labour party for the last decade or two.Richard_Nabavi said:
Good point.Plato said:The impact it will have on Labour canvassing in the future is exercising moderate Labourites on Twitter too
Last night I emailed to say I was no longer willing to support them next May in a marginal council seat unless Kendall or Cooper wins.
The response was what you would expect from labour Councillors in a middle class ward aware what is about to happen to the party.
Priory in Trafford used to be a strong Labour ward, with three Labour councillors returned every four years with strong majorities.
Starting in May that will turn and quite frankly if Burnham or Corbyn lead the party in a direction that I fundamentally disagree with then fair enough as I would never wish to see my part of the world giving justification to their type of mental politics.
I've always been quite surprised by how reliable the Labour vote is here; it doesn't, on the face of it, look like a Labour banker; though maybe some of it is a personal vote for the Councillors who have, as you say, been there for some time (I've met at least two of them, and, as a Tory, found them to be entirely reasonable people).
I agree, it's not the sort of area to be wildly enthusiastic about a Corbyn-ite Labour. Although having said that, the arrival of the BBC seems to have brought a minor influx of middle-class-extreme-lefties to Sale.
The elections in May are not being looked forward to.
BTW - I live just Washway Rd side of the bridge on Dane Rd.0 -
I'm on Dane Road too! I'm up at the eastern end near Temple Road.ManchesterKurt said:
I know the 3 councillors very well.Cookie said:
Ooh, I'm in Priory Ward!ManchesterKurt said:
Not really, I could not stand the national party in May, they are about to make it far far harder to have anything to agree with.NickPalmer said:
Seems a pity - most of us live with the fact that we sometimes in and sometimes lose, but we keep trying, within reason.ManchesterKurt said:
I have canvassed, leafleted and helped the local labour party for the last decade or two.Richard_Nabavi said:
Good point.Plato said:The impact it will have on Labour canvassing in the future is exercising moderate Labourites on Twitter too
Last night I emailed to say I was no longer willing to support them next May in a marginal council seat unless Kendall or Cooper wins.
The response was what you would expect from labour Councillors in a middle class ward aware what is about to happen to the party.
Priory in Trafford used to be a strong Labour ward, with three Labour councillors returned every four years with strong majorities.
Starting in May that will turn and quite frankly if Burnham or Corbyn lead the party in a direction that I fundamentally disagree with then fair enough as I would never wish to see my part of the world giving justification to their type of mental politics.
I've always been quite surprised by how reliable the Labour vote is here; it doesn't, on the face of it, look like a Labour banker; though maybe some of it is a personal vote for the Councillors who have, as you say, been there for some time (I've met at least two of them, and, as a Tory, found them to be entirely reasonable people).
I agree, it's not the sort of area to be wildly enthusiastic about a Corbyn-ite Labour. Although having said that, the arrival of the BBC seems to have brought a minor influx of middle-class-extreme-lefties to Sale.
The elections in May are not being looked forward to.
BTW - I live just Washway Rd side of the bridge on Dane Rd.0 -
There once was a party which said
"For three quid choose who'll follow Ed".
But despite pleas from Mandy
For Yvette, Liz or Andy,
The buggers preferred an old red.0 -
Other side of the bridge, right near A56.Cookie said:
I'm on Dane Road too! I'm up at the eastern end near Temple Road.ManchesterKurt said:
I know the 3 councillors very well.Cookie said:
Ooh, I'm in Priory Ward!ManchesterKurt said:
Not really, I could not stand the national party in May, they are about to make it far far harder to have anything to agree with.NickPalmer said:
Seems a pity - most of us live with the fact that we sometimes in and sometimes lose, but we keep trying, within reason.ManchesterKurt said:
I have canvassed, leafleted and helped the local labour party for the last decade or two.Richard_Nabavi said:
Good point.Plato said:The impact it will have on Labour canvassing in the future is exercising moderate Labourites on Twitter too
Last night I emailed to say I was no longer willing to support them next May in a marginal council seat unless Kendall or Cooper wins.
The response was what you would expect from labour Councillors in a middle class ward aware what is about to happen to the party.
Priory in Trafford used to be a strong Labour ward, with three Labour councillors returned every four years with strong majorities.
Starting in May that will turn and quite frankly if Burnham or Corbyn lead the party in a direction that I fundamentally disagree with then fair enough as I would never wish to see my part of the world giving justification to their type of mental politics.
I've always been quite surprised by how reliable the Labour vote is here; it doesn't, on the face of it, look like a Labour banker; though maybe some of it is a personal vote for the Councillors who have, as you say, been there for some time (I've met at least two of them, and, as a Tory, found them to be entirely reasonable people).
I agree, it's not the sort of area to be wildly enthusiastic about a Corbyn-ite Labour. Although having said that, the arrival of the BBC seems to have brought a minor influx of middle-class-extreme-lefties to Sale.
The elections in May are not being looked forward to.
BTW - I live just Washway Rd side of the bridge on Dane Rd.
You are very close!!!0 -
That's excellent!Richard_Nabavi said:There once was a party which said
"For three quid choose who'll follow Ed".
But despite pleas from Mandy
For Yvette, Liz or Andy,
The buggers preferred an old red.0 -
Given Labour membership is now up to 600,000, higher even than the early Blair years, I don't expect they will be too concerned. Labour may not pick an electable leader but they will have a leader with a far larger activist baseManchesterKurt said:
I have canvassed, leafleted and helped the local labour party for the last decade or two.Richard_Nabavi said:
Good point.Plato said:The impact it will have on Labour canvassing in the future is exercising moderate Labourites on Twitter too
Last night I emailed to say I was no longer willing to support them next May in a marginal council seat unless Kendall or Cooper wins.
The response was what you would expect from labour Councillors in a middle class ward aware what is about to happen to the party.0 -
Agreed, I think I said that in my first post.HYUFD said:
Given Labour membership is now up to 600,000, higher even than the early Blair years, I don't expect they will be too concerned. Labour may not pick an electable leader but they will have a leader with a far larger activist baseManchesterKurt said:
I have canvassed, leafleted and helped the local labour party for the last decade or two.Richard_Nabavi said:
Good point.Plato said:The impact it will have on Labour canvassing in the future is exercising moderate Labourites on Twitter too
Last night I emailed to say I was no longer willing to support them next May in a marginal council seat unless Kendall or Cooper wins.
The response was what you would expect from labour Councillors in a middle class ward aware what is about to happen to the party.
Be interesting how effective that is in areas like where I live which are very middle class and have historically always voted labour.0 -
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Aye shipmate, but how about being simultaneously on fire, taking on water and not under command in a Force 11 in the middle of the night in the North Sea?HurstLlama said:
Dang, you make it all sound so.... comercial.JosiasJessop said:
I wish it'd been that exciting. There was a tall ship there, and I went for a walk around it. I got talking to one of the crew, who said they were looking for people to help them sail back, for a fee.
No experience needed ...
I went for a quick pint in the superlative Platform and phone Mrs J who, when I said I had no urgent work on, told me I could go.
Your versions sound much better ...
I bet it was a bit adventurous really. Being forced out along the ratlines in a howling gale by a drunken bosun's mate wielding a rattan cane whilst the mighty waves whipped to a frenzy by the terrible storm seemed to rise up to pluck you from the yardarm, perhaps. Maybe, the yachtsman you rescued from his stricken craft disappearing mysteriously one dark and moonless night leaving the captain, Mad Black Jack, in possession of a tin box he thought no one knew about.
Honestly you can't have an adventure on a tall ship which consisted of you paying them some money and then spending the next five days spewing your ring up. That isn't the way the world is supposed to work.
And watching your own father knock out the junior 'engineer' who was about to discharge a CO2 fire extinguisher into the engine compartment.
If we'd lost that engine, I wouldn't be here to write these lines...0 -
The Hanoverian accession. As soon as there was a prime minister, rather than the monarch, acting as head of government, then it became those who held executive office rather than those who were advisors who counted. There was, of course, an overlap and it wasn't as cut-and-dried as one side of 1714 and the other - under Queen Anne, a cabinet of ministers was becoming an established feature - but it was the single-party nature of the cabinets / governments under George I their potency, combined with the absence of the king himself.JEO said:Can any of our in-house historians tell me when the power of the Privy Council passed to the Cabinet?
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55-60% still vote in US presidential elections, a majority of the US population unlike the midterms, so if Trump is packing out stadiums that is no bad thing and in the primaries you need to build some excitement to get supporters out. Say what you like about Trump but he is the only one of the candidates on the GOP side who is filling halls and hotel conference rooms and is really generating interest, and he does give a genuine performance, while a Jeb Bush or a Walker or Kasich rally are cures for insomnia. On the Democratic side to be fair too it is Sanders who is getting people along to hear him speak to a greater extent than Hillary.Tim_B said:Donald Trump - he's holding a rally in Mobile AL this evening, at Ladd Peebles Stadium. They are expecting 35,000 people. It's a very small stadium (40,000).
Compared to Jeb being here this week, when you looked round The Varsity you knew that everyone there was a voter.
The Trump rally looks more like an Elton John concert than a collection of voters. How many are there because it's the Trump Show?0
