Corbyn actually comes across as more reasonable than the chap from the Guardian at the beginning, quite frankly, for all I don't agree with his core premise. Corbyn seems to be calling for negotiation and implying we'd be better off without the place, that chap seems actively offended by our presence there. (Corbyn may believe the same for all I know, but it wasn't as obvious if he does think that)
The problem I have with his argument, and the pretensions of the Argentines, is this idea that by refusing to negotiate we are the ones ratcheting up tensions, or 'upping the ante' as he terms it - when really all we're doing is not, at present and I hope in future, changing our position to suit them. If they respond aggressively to escalate as a result of that, thankfully only with words these days, that is purely their choice, not ours, it is not our fault or responsibility if the other party respond inappropriately because we refuse to engage with them, even if them getting angry about it is perfectly reasonable, diplomatically.
It's the same problem as with his automatic 'talk not war' position, which naturally most people support as a starting position, but which isn't always viable. If our position and the Argentine position are impossible to reconcile, there's no point sitting down to talk about it. We are both entitled to be stubborn and see who will bend first. If either side responds with aggression, then they are morally more dubious and can hardly protest, sincerely, that we regard them as forfeiting any expectation we will modulate our position first to accommodate them.
Indeed. Presumably he would have been delighted with the outcome of Munich and would have called for a new dialogue over Poland and Danzig.
Which of course were handed over in the end to Soviet domination, so for all they knew in '39, it made little difference to fight...
Handed over is a little harsh given that they were essentially occupied. In any case, 45 years of Nato and Cold War eventually did the job.
Is anybody else as cynical as me and think Corbyn's foreign policy motives are more twisted? He wants to re-unify Ireland because Blair had a victory with it - and he hates Blair. He wants to give the Falklands away because Thatcher had a victory with it - and he hates Thatcher.
Is anybody else as cynical as me and think Corbyn's foreign policy motives are more twisted? He wants to re-unify Ireland because Blair had a victory with it - and he hates Blair. He wants to give the Falklands away because Thatcher had a victory with it - and he hates Thatcher.
He wants to give away the Labour Party because he won the leadership - and he hates himself?
Brave and polite, a radical soul Jezza believes in coal not dole He'll embrace as comrades murderers and villains Just as long as they are anti-Americans
Boom, boom
Corbyn is a tieless wonder Who upon one Burnham blunder Stole a march upon the pack So he could lead from the back
Corbyn actually comes across as more reasonable than the chap from the Guardian at the beginning, quite frankly, for all I don't agree with his core premise. Corbyn seems to be calling for negotiation and implying we'd be better off without the place, that chap seems actively offended by our presence there. (Corbyn may believe the same for all I know, but it wasn't as obvious if he does think that)
The problem I have with his argument, and the pretensions of the Argentines, is this idea that by refusing to negotiate we are the ones ratcheting up tensions, or 'upping the ante' as he terms it - when really all we're doing is not, at present and I hope in future, changing our position to suit them. If they respond aggressively to escalate as a result of that, thankfully only with words these days, that is purely their choice, not ours, it is not our fault or responsibility if the other party respond inappropriately because we refuse to engage with them, even if them getting angry about it is perfectly reasonable, diplomatically.
It's the same problem as with his automatic 'talk not war' position, which naturally most people support as a starting position, but which isn't always viable. If our position and the Argentine position are impossible to reconcile, there's no point sitting down to talk about it. We are both entitled to be stubborn and see who will bend first. If either side responds with aggression, then they are morally more dubious and can hardly protest, sincerely, that we regard them as forfeiting any expectation we will modulate our position first to accommodate them.
Indeed. Presumably he would have been delighted with the outcome of Munich and would have called for a new dialogue over Poland and Danzig.
Which of course were handed over in the end to Soviet domination, so for all they knew in '39, it made little difference to fight...
Handed over is a little harsh given that they were essentially occupied. In any case, 45 years of Nato and Cold War eventually did the job.
David, can you drop me an email when your piece is ready.
Brave and polite, a radical soul Jezza believes in coal not dole He'll embrace as comrades murderers and villains Just as long as they are anti-Americans
Boom, boom
There was an old man named Jez, Who always does as he sez, His friends in Hamas, Cried "Oh, alas! Jez, Swap that cap for a fez!"
Is anybody else as cynical as me and think Corbyn's foreign policy motives are more twisted? He wants to re-unify Ireland because Blair had a victory with it - and he hates Blair. He wants to give the Falklands away because Thatcher had a victory with it - and he hates Thatcher.
I think he's had his position on Ireland since before Blair came on the scene.
As for the Falklands, I imagine he has other reasons, but that one of his default defences of his position in that clip produced below was to make Britain, in essence, equally culpable by staying Thatcher used it as a distraction from her record (even if true that it did distract people, so what, she was not the one to instigate it in order to distract anyone) suggests hatred of her plays a role in his thinking.
Not sure if they benefited from all women lists or not, but among the few bright points in the Labour clusterfuck are the likes of Stella Creasey, Gloria del Piero, Caroline Flint and Liz Kendall. Maybe Labour should just ban all men from all positions of authority. Diane Abbott notwithstanding the women have much more to offer than the blokes.
I've been doing a little research into whether AWS has worked, to settle an off-line discussion. So far I've reached some interesting and (to me) surprising 'conclusions', if they warrant the use of such string a word.
Corbyn actually comes across as more reasonable than the chap from the Guardian at the beginning, quite frankly, for all I don't agree with his core premise. Corbyn seems to be calling for negotiation and implying we'd be better off without the place, that chap seems actively offended by our presence there. (Corbyn may believe the same for all I know, but it wasn't as obvious if he does think that)
The problem I have with his argument, and the pretensions of the Argentines, is this idea that by refusing to negotiate we are the ones ratcheting up tensions, or 'upping the ante' as he terms it - when really all we're doing is not, at present and I hope in future, changing our position to suit them. If they respond aggressively to escalate as a result of that, thankfully only with words these days, that is purely their choice, not ours, it is not our fault or responsibility if the other party respond inappropriately because we refuse to engage with them, even if them getting angry about it is perfectly reasonable, diplomatically.
It's the same problem as with his automatic 'talk not war' position, which naturally most people support as a starting position, but which isn't always viable. If our position and the Argentine position are impossible to reconcile, there's no point sitting down to talk about it. We are both entitled to be stubborn and see who will bend first. If either side responds with aggression, then they are morally more dubious and can hardly protest, sincerely, that we regard them as forfeiting any expectation we will modulate our position first to accommodate them.
Indeed. Presumably he would have been delighted with the outcome of Munich and would have called for a new dialogue over Poland and Danzig.
Which of course were handed over in the end to Soviet domination, so for all they knew in '39, it made little difference to fight...
Handed over is a little harsh given that they were essentially occupied. In any case, 45 years of Nato and Cold War eventually did the job.
David, can you drop me an email when your piece is ready.
I'm your publisher this weekend.
Will do. Apologies for the delay. The doggerel ate my homework.
For Deputy voted Creasy, Flint, Bradshaw, Eagle, Watson.... I think.
Good bloke. If I had a vote in this election, and wanted the best for the Labour party, that's how I would have gone. But I'm apparently a PB tory (tm).
Corbyn actually comes across as more reasonable than the chap from the Guardian at the beginning, quite frankly, for all I don't agree with his core premise. Corbyn seems to be calling for negotiation and implying we'd be better off without the place, that chap seems actively offended by our presence there. (Corbyn may believe the same for all I know, but it wasn't as obvious if he does think that)
The problem I have with his argument, and the pretensions of the Argentines, is this idea that by refusing to negotiate we are the ones ratcheting up tensions, or 'upping the ante' as he terms it - when really all we're doing is not, at present and I hope in future, changing our position to suit them. If they respond aggressively to escalate as a result of that, thankfully only with words these days, that is purely their choice, not ours, it is not our fault or responsibility if the other party respond inappropriately because we refuse to engage with them, even if them getting angry about it is perfectly reasonable, diplomatically.
It's the same problem as with his automatic 'talk not war' position, which naturally most people support as a starting position, but which isn't always viable. If our position and the Argentine position are impossible to reconcile, there's no point sitting down to talk about it. We are both entitled to be stubborn and see who will bend first. If either side responds with aggression, then they are morally more dubious and can hardly protest, sincerely, that we regard them as forfeiting any expectation we will modulate our position first to accommodate them.
Indeed. Presumably he would have been delighted with the outcome of Munich and would have called for a new dialogue over Poland and Danzig.
Which of course were handed over in the end to Soviet domination, so for all they knew in '39, it made little difference to fight...
Handed over is a little harsh given that they were essentially occupied. In any case, 45 years of Nato and Cold War eventually did the job.
David, can you drop me an email when your piece is ready.
I'm your publisher this weekend.
Will do. Apologies for the delay. The doggerel ate my homework.
It's fine, I'm up until quite late.
Your piece might be third ever PB piece to published from inside a cinema
I don't understand the point of asking for gender. Asking for their preferred mode of address should be enough. And it is true that transgender people, however few in numbers they may be, find this kind of thing unnecessarily insulting.
Reminds me of this:
"I sexually Identify as an Attack Helicopter. Ever since I was a boy I dreamed of soaring over the oilfields dropping hot sticky loads on disgusting foreigners. People say to me that a person being a helicopter is Impossible and I’m fucking retarded but I don’t care, I’m beautiful. I’m having a plastic surgeon install rotary blades, 30 mm cannons and AMG-114 Hellfire missiles on my body. From now on I want you guys to call me “Apache” and respect my right to kill from above and kill needlessly. If you can’t accept me you’re a heliphobe and need to check your vehicle privilege. Thank you for being so understanding."
1. Gender doesn't refer to physical status. 2. Spectrum rather than binary. 3. It's very easy to accommodate the request.
Is anybody else as cynical as me and think Corbyn's foreign policy motives are more twisted? He wants to re-unify Ireland because Blair had a victory with it - and he hates Blair. He wants to give the Falklands away because Thatcher had a victory with it - and he hates Thatcher.
I think he's had his position on Ireland since before Blair came on the scene.
As for the Falklands, I imagine he has other reasons, but that one of his default defences of his position in that clip produced below was to make Britain, in essence, equally culpable by staying Thatcher used it as a distraction from her record (even if true that it did distract people, so what, she was not the one to instigate it in order to distract anyone) suggests hatred of her plays a role in his thinking.
On the instigation, depends how much you think the withdrawal of the Naval Ship in the area (I forget what it was, an icebreaker I think, wouldn't have held the islands militarily but was taken symbolically of withdrawal). (Not saying it was done deliberately, but you can reasonably view the war as being caused by failures of British foreign policy to adequately express their position on the islands)
and so it keeps coming. Let's hope it is all not too late.
Sigh... there is nothing secret about this. It is and was all very well known. And not just this - everything else. So why you might ask did Labour MPs go out of their way to put him on a ticket which was well known to be virtually an open primary. Is it only me that is getting a bit fed up?
Is anybody else as cynical as me and think Corbyn's foreign policy motives are more twisted? He wants to re-unify Ireland because Blair had a victory with it - and he hates Blair. He wants to give the Falklands away because Thatcher had a victory with it - and he hates Thatcher.
I think he's had his position on Ireland since before Blair came on the scene.
As for the Falklands, I imagine he has other reasons, but that one of his default defences of his position in that clip produced below was to make Britain, in essence, equally culpable by staying Thatcher used it as a distraction from her record (even if true that it did distract people, so what, she was not the one to instigate it in order to distract anyone) suggests hatred of her plays a role in his thinking.
On the instigation, depends how much you think the withdrawal of the Naval Ship in the area (I forget what it was, an icebreaker I think, wouldn't have held the islands militarily but was taken symbolically of withdrawal). (Not saying it was done deliberately, but you can reasonably view the war as being caused by failures of British foreign policy to adequately express their position on the islands)
If someone is to be accused of doing something as distraction, I think the deliberate intent needs to be there. Someone might use an event which they unwittingly contributed to as a distraction later, and they could be attacked for that, but not painted with the brush of moral equivalency to those who deliberately instigated something for a particular purpose, in this case choosing to invade.
For Deputy voted Creasy, Flint, Bradshaw, Eagle, Watson.... I think.
Good bloke. If I had a vote in this election, and wanted the best for the Labour party, that's how I would have gone. But I'm apparently a PB tory (tm).
Yet in the Comres poll last Sunday both Cooper and Kendall had a net negative rating Burnham a net positive, and Corbyn at least has high favourables and would bring some energy to the party even if he also has higher negatives
It comes as fresh evidence of the Labour leadership front-runner’s republicanism surfaced as his surge in support showed few signs of slowing.
A curious way of putting it. 'Fresh evidence...surfaced'. This isn't like alleged connections to unsavorary characters he'd try to explain away as something else, it's something pretty basic about his political position which it would be surprising if he did not believe, for all he might be advised to play it down right now (the only way he can do that is to not bring it himself I would have thought). The only surprise was his apparent initial failure to provide a response re the PC question.
I hoped you might say that. Should be a good day out and even if the weather is crap there are enough under cover exhibits to visit in between beers. Once I have confirmed permission from Herself (she will worry about me getting back across London on my own after dark) I'll drop you a PM.
Any other PBers fancy a PBMeet with a twist?
I am moderately tempted (Leicester are away that weekend) though it is also the Southampton Boat show and Bournmouth LD conference and I was considering doing the south coast double.
Very likely that the LD conference will be overshadowed by the outcome of the Lab leadership and planning for the knife fight that will be the Labour conference whatever the winner.
Be warned: the first time I went to the Southampton Boat Show, I ended up sailing on a tall ship to Dublin (see avatar). At least if you get tempted to fly somewhere, it'll take less than five days ...
Edit: and you'll avoid a terrible bout of seasickness. The more the merrier ...
Golly, I don't think I have ever met anyone who has been Shanghaied in real life. Tell us do, were you wacked over the head by the wicked bosun and came to in the fetid foc'sle surrounded by jeering lascar seamen? Or were you taken to the bar by the outwardly charming but actually evil second mate and fed a micky-fin, also waking up in said sweaty, fetid, foc'sle etc.? How did you escape from the clutches of this gang of white slavers? I am agog to learn. Mr. Dancer might even be persuaded to move on from his fantasy world to write the "True adventures of daring Josiah Jessup amongst the opium tripe tongs of Dublin".
This feels like a crunch week for Corbyn, either for whether he can get over the finishing line (if his lead among members is not, in fact, as titanic as limited polling and the fact he's the only candidate who's campaigned well would have us believe and enough votes remain to be cast who might be swayed by the more intense attacks), or how long he might last when he wins. A bit of a sustained barrage of negative press, and how he is responding or not responding, might tip the balance if there is one, or will show up how well or badly he will do when elected and he starts getting even more of it.
"Ned, the three-year-old pet tabby cat of a Buzzfeed journalist, has been a party supporter since early this month. The cat has since been sent a ballot paper and was able to cast his vote in the four-way contest for leadership of the party even though he is not registered to vote in local or general elections."
For Deputy voted Creasy, Flint, Bradshaw, Eagle, Watson.... I think.
Good bloke. If I had a vote in this election, and wanted the best for the Labour party, that's how I would have gone. But I'm apparently a PB tory (tm).
Yet in the Comres poll last Sunday both Cooper and Kendall had a net negative rating Burnham a net positive, and Corbyn at least has high favourables and would bring some energy to the party even if he also has higher negatives
1) This is polling. Worse, it is polling about a topic few people have any knowledge of.
2) It needs repeating: you really trust polling on this? It must be a devilishly hard thing to poll on, by its very nature.
I agree Corbyn might bring some energy to the party. I've said on here passim that the Conservatives are being slightly too dismissive of him. His energy might give people a fourth way forward.
OTOH, that same energy might be akin to a nuclear blast that destroys the party.
That's a rather curious article. Whenever did the rules of this contest specify that you had to have told a canvasser you'd vote Labour to be eligible? If that's the rule, shouldn't they have told punters before snaffling their £3?
This is heading more towards a Trading Standards investigation than a legal challenge to the result.
It comes as fresh evidence of the Labour leadership front-runner’s republicanism surfaced as his surge in support showed few signs of slowing.
A curious way of putting it. 'Fresh evidence...surfaced'. This isn't like alleged connections to unsavorary characters he'd try to explain away as something else, it's something pretty basic about his political position which it would be surprising if he did not believe, for all he might be advised to play it down right now (the only way he can do that is to not bring it himself I would have thought). The only surprise was his apparent initial failure to provide a response re the PC question.
To be fair: I am quite happy that Jezza will not be advising the Queen!
"Ned, the three-year-old pet tabby cat of a Buzzfeed journalist, has been a party supporter since early this month. The cat has since been sent a ballot paper and was able to cast his vote in the four-way contest for leadership of the party even though he is not registered to vote in local or general elections."
Does Buzzfeed always go so hard on political stories? I sense this undercurrent of anger at the Labour contest my sporadic visits there do not generally pick up
Well there's a relief. But frankly - and honest really cross my heart and hope to die - I was only this morning - honest - wondering about how it could be squared that such an obvious traitor and security risk like Corbyn could be allowed into the Privy Council. Plus of course he would have to take the oath which he has previously said he does not believe in - ie an oath to the monarch. We can only guess at the other nonsense games he will play as LOTO. But then we have the issue of those Labour MPs who are currently on the PC. What can they now be trusted with? It's always possible Corbyn would swear on his boy scout woodcraft badge I suppose.
You know - I don't think he really can win. Are there really so few semi sentient beings, as opposed to total thickos, in Labour that he can win? At best no rational Labour MP or even EXMP could vote for and endorse him. Such people are the ones Labour should be relying on aren't they?
French media said the passengers who overpowered the suspect were US Marines who had heard the man loading a weapon in a toilet cubicle and confronted him when he came out.
That's a rather curious article. Whenever did the rules of this contest specify that you had to have told a canvasser you'd vote Labour to be eligible? If that's the rule, shouldn't they have told punters before snaffling their £3?
This is heading more towards a Trading Standards investigation than a legal challenge to the result.
I hoped you might say that. Should be a good day out and even if the weather is crap there are enough under cover exhibits to visit in between beers. Once I have confirmed permission from Herself (she will worry about me getting back across London on my own after dark) I'll drop you a PM.
Any other PBers fancy a PBMeet with a twist?
I am moderately tempted (Leicester are away that weekend) though it is also the Southampton Boat show and Bournmouth LD conference and I was considering doing the south coast double.
Very likely that the LD conference will be overshadowed by the outcome of the Lab leadership and planning for the knife fight that will be the Labour conference whatever the winner.
Be warned: the first time I went to the Southampton Boat Show, I ended up sailing on a tall ship to Dublin (see avatar). At least if you get tempted to fly somewhere, it'll take less than five days ...
Edit: and you'll avoid a terrible bout of seasickness. The more the merrier ...
Golly, I don't think I have ever met anyone who has been Shanghaied in real life. Tell us do, were you wacked over the head by the wicked bosun and came to in the fetid foc'sle surrounded by jeering lascar seamen? Or were you taken to the bar by the outwardly charming but actually evil second mate and fed a micky-fin, also waking up in said sweaty, fetid, foc'sle etc.? How did you escape from the clutches of this gang of white slavers? I am agog to learn. Mr. Dancer might even be persuaded to move on from his fantasy world to write the "True adventures of daring Josiah Jessup amongst the opium tripe tongs of Dublin".
I wish it'd been that exciting. There was a tall ship there, and I went for a walk around it. I got talking to one of the crew, who said they were looking for people to help them sail back, for a fee.
No experience needed ...
I went for a quick pint in the superlative Platform and phone Mrs J who, when I said I had no urgent work on, told me I could go.
he would have to take the oath which he has previously said he does not believe in - ie an oath to the monarch.
Doesn't he have to do that as an MP?
I believe so. I'm sure someone can dig out what he said this time around, as a few (or at least one) republican MP said something along the lines of 'I'm taking this oath in order to represent my constituents' with heavy subtext of not believing a word of it, I believe.
Labour actually did ok yesterday in those three by elections and saw swings from the Tories relative to 2012 and 2013.
Durham is presumably safe no matter what happens - Labour's floor is still pretty high, and even his arch opponents who think he is leading them on a path to destruction acknowledge Corbyn will probably at least have a small period with a Labour lead in the polls.
he would have to take the oath which he has previously said he does not believe in - ie an oath to the monarch.
Doesn't he have to do that as an MP?
I believe so. I'm sure someone can dig out what he said this time around, as a few (or at least one) republican MP said something along the lines of 'I'm taking this oath in order to represent my constituents' with heavy subtext of not believing a word of it, I believe.
This guy, making his party (and himself) look silly.
The Corbyn flag is deepest red It flies for heart and not for head To fight oppression everywhere (unless it's Jews, then we don't care) Another day, another cause But it's a futile task because In five years time the world will see Another Tory victory.
For Deputy voted Creasy, Flint, Bradshaw, Eagle, Watson.... I think.
Good bloke. If I had a vote in this election, and wanted the best for the Labour party, that's how I would have gone. But I'm apparently a PB tory (tm).
Yet in the Comres poll last Sunday both Cooper and Kendall had a net negative rating Burnham a net positive, and Corbyn at least has high favourables and would bring some energy to the party even if he also has higher negatives
1) This is polling. Worse, it is polling about a topic few people have any knowledge of.
2) It needs repeating: you really trust polling on this? It must be a devilishly hard thing to poll on, by its very nature.
I agree Corbyn might bring some energy to the party. I've said on here passim that the Conservatives are being slightly too dismissive of him. His energy might give people a fourth way forward.
OTOH, that same energy might be akin to a nuclear blast that destroys the party.
It is polling which has been consistent with the only people whose opinion should really concern Labour, the voters themselves. 4 polls now have all shown Burnham the best of the 4 and Cooper at or near last. If they wish to ignore it, that is fine, it does not bother me, but Cooper certainly offers nothing to the party. She neither has the potential appeal to floating voters of Kendall or Burnham nor the ability to rally the left behind Labour and make inroads in Scotland which Corbyn could have
I wish it'd been that exciting. There was a tall ship there, and I went for a walk around it. I got talking to one of the crew, who said they were looking for people to help them sail back, for a fee.
No experience needed ...
I went for a quick pint in the superlative Platform and phone Mrs J who, when I said I had no urgent work on, told me I could go.
Your versions sound much better ...
Dang, you make it all sound so.... comercial.
I bet it was a bit adventurous really. Being forced out along the ratlines in a howling gale by a drunken bosun's mate wielding a rattan cane whilst the mighty waves whipped to a frenzy by the terrible storm seemed to rise up to pluck you from the yardarm, perhaps. Maybe, the yachtsman you rescued from his stricken craft disappearing mysteriously one dark and moonless night leaving the captain, Mad Black Jack, in possession of a tin box he thought no one knew about.
Honestly you can't have an adventure on a tall ship which consisted of you paying them some money and then spending the next five days spewing your ring up. That isn't the way the world is supposed to work.
For Deputy voted Creasy, Flint, Bradshaw, Eagle, Watson.... I think.
Good bloke. If I had a vote in this election, and wanted the best for the Labour party, that's how I would have gone. But I'm apparently a PB tory (tm).
Yet in the Comres poll last Sunday both Cooper and Kendall had a net negative rating Burnham a net positive, and Corbyn at least has high favourables and would bring some energy to the party even if he also has higher negatives
1) This is polling. Worse, it is polling about a topic few people have any knowledge of.
2) It needs repeating: you really trust polling on this? It must be a devilishly hard thing to poll on, by its very nature.
I agree Corbyn might bring some energy to the party. I've said on here passim that the Conservatives are being slightly too dismissive of him. His energy might give people a fourth way forward.
OTOH, that same energy might be akin to a nuclear blast that destroys the party.
It is polling which has been consistent with the only people whose opinion should really concern Labour, the voters themselves. 4 polls now have all shown Burnham the best of the 4 and Cooper at or near last. If they wish to ignore it, that is fine, it does not bother me, but Cooper certainly offers nothing to the party. She neither has the potential appeal to floating voters of Kendall or Burnham nor the ability to rally the left behind Labour and make inroads in Scotland which Corbyn could have
But it's like polling about which 1 Direction member people prefer: a few would be very knowledgeable, whilst others, such as myself, might just blurt out the one they've heard of recently: Zayne someone-or-other.
At this stage it's just a name recognition game with the GBP.
The Corbyn flag is deepest red It flies for heart and not for head To fight oppression everywhere (unless it's Jews, then we don't care) Another day, another cause But it's a futile task because In five years time the world will see Another Tory victory.
he would have to take the oath which he has previously said he does not believe in - ie an oath to the monarch.
Doesn't he have to do that as an MP?
Yes I suppose you are right - but it is an oath of secrecy and it involves (or can) quite a few people being involved in serious state secrets. And it may not apply to most things but it does involve everybody abiding by the same terms. And, well... if its not so important, why make a fuss?
I wish it'd been that exciting. There was a tall ship there, and I went for a walk around it. I got talking to one of the crew, who said they were looking for people to help them sail back, for a fee.
No experience needed ...
I went for a quick pint in the superlative Platform and phone Mrs J who, when I said I had no urgent work on, told me I could go.
Your versions sound much better ...
Dang, you make it all sound so.... comercial.
I bet it was a bit adventurous really. Being forced out along the ratlines in a howling gale by a drunken bosun's mate wielding a rattan cane whilst the mighty waves whipped to a frenzy by the terrible storm seemed to rise up to pluck you from the yardarm, perhaps. Maybe, the yachtsman you rescued from his stricken craft disappearing mysteriously one dark and moonless night leaving the captain, Mad Black Jack, in possession of a tin box he thought no one knew about.
Honestly you can't have an adventure on a tall ship which consisted of you paying them some money and then spending the next five days spewing your ring up. That isn't the way the world is supposed to work.
We did fire a potato gun at a Russian tall ship (*) in Dublin harbour, if that counts.
It was a great trip. The phosphorescence around the bow at night, sitting on watch on the roof of the midships cabin, seeing the lowest yard of the foremast sip below the wave crests during a storm. Slipping on the spew some other poor unfortunate had left beside a hatch, climbing the topgallant at night ...
@tnewtondunn: EXCL: Caught Red Len-handed - Jeremy Corbyn at Unite HQ for 3 hour talks with McCluskey on how he'll lead Labour; http://t.co/4MRYWDRhsn
Long winded lefties. I feel certain Tories would have received their instructions from their big doners in far more efficient a manner.
Class comment from the Unite spokesman though. I assume he meant "I can't guarantee an answer straight away"!
Ducking questions on if Mr Corbyn had met with Mr McCluskey, the spokesman said: “I’ll ask, but I can’t guarantee a straight answer, particularly as it’s Friday”.
For Deputy voted Creasy, Flint, Bradshaw, Eagle, Watson.... I think.
Good bloke. If I had a vote in this election, and wanted the best for the Labour party, that's how I would have gone. But I'm apparently a PB tory (tm).
Yet in the Comres poll last Sunday both Cooper and Kendall had a net negative rating Burnham a net positive, and Corbyn at least has high favourables and would bring some energy to the party even if he also has higher negatives
1) This is polling. Worse, it is polling about a topic few people have any knowledge of.
2) It needs repeating: you really trust polling on this? It must be a devilishly hard thing to poll on, by its very nature.
I agree Corbyn might bring some energy to the party. I've said on here passim that the Conservatives are being slightly too dismissive of him. His energy might give people a fourth way forward.
OTOH, that same energy might be akin to a nuclear blast that destroys the party.
It is polling which has been consistent with the only people whose opinion should really concern Labour, the voters themselves. 4 polls now have all shown Burnham the best of the 4 and Cooper at or near last. If they wish to ignore it, that is fine, it does not bother me, but Cooper certainly offers nothing to the party. She neither has the potential appeal to floating voters of Kendall or Burnham nor the ability to rally the left behind Labour and make inroads in Scotland which Corbyn could have
But it's like polling about which 1 Direction member people prefer: a few would be very knowledgeable, whilst others, such as myself, might just blurt out the one they've heard of recently: Zayne someone-or-other.
At this stage it's just a name recognition game with the GBP.
No it is not a name recognition game as most of the polls have been on a net favourability basis which is much less prone to name recognition. Labour ignored the polls in 2010 which clearly showed David Miliband more popular than Ed Miliband and paid the price, they look likely to repeat the same mistake, much as the Tories twice rejected Ken Clarke in favour of Hague or IDS
he would have to take the oath which he has previously said he does not believe in - ie an oath to the monarch.
Doesn't he have to do that as an MP?
Yes I suppose you are right - but it is an oath of secrecy and it involves (or can) quite a few people being involved in serious state secrets. And it may not apply to most things but it does involve everybody abiding by the same terms. And, well... if its not so important, why make a fuss?
I can't take it seriously since one of my uncles described another (who was a member of the privy council) in a speech as "the Right Honorable X, my brother, who is rarely right and never honorable"
Admittedly he was then followed up by my cousin who started his speech 'My Lords, Ladies, Gentleman, and friends of my father"
I wish it'd been that exciting. There was a tall ship there, and I went for a walk around it. I got talking to one of the crew, who said they were looking for people to help them sail back, for a fee.
No experience needed ...
I went for a quick pint in the superlative Platform and phone Mrs J who, when I said I had no urgent work on, told me I could go.
Your versions sound much better ...
Dang, you make it all sound so.... comercial.
I bet it was a bit adventurous really. Being forced out along the ratlines in a howling gale by a drunken bosun's mate wielding a rattan cane whilst the mighty waves whipped to a frenzy by the terrible storm seemed to rise up to pluck you from the yardarm, perhaps. Maybe, the yachtsman you rescued from his stricken craft disappearing mysteriously one dark and moonless night leaving the captain, Mad Black Jack, in possession of a tin box he thought no one knew about.
Honestly you can't have an adventure on a tall ship which consisted of you paying them some money and then spending the next five days spewing your ring up. That isn't the way the world is supposed to work.
We did fire a potato gun at a Russian tall ship (*) in Dublin harbour, if that counts.
It was a great trip. The phosphorescence around the bow at night, sitting on watch on the roof of the midships cabin, seeing the lowest yard of the foremast sip below the wave crests during a storm. Slipping on the spew some other poor unfortunate had left beside a hatch, climbing the topgallant at night ...
he would have to take the oath which he has previously said he does not believe in - ie an oath to the monarch.
Doesn't he have to do that as an MP?
Yes I suppose you are right - but it is an oath of secrecy and it involves (or can) quite a few people being involved in serious state secrets. And it may not apply to most things but it does involve everybody abiding by the same terms. And, well... if its not so important, why make a fuss?
I can't take it seriously since one of my uncles described another (who was a member of the privy council) in a speech as "the Right Honorable X, my brother, who is rarely right and never honorable"
Admittedly he was then followed up by my cousin who started his speech 'My Lords, Ladies, Gentleman, and friends of my father"
One of my lines when I run meetings and events is "Ladies and gentlemen, please take your seats and place them in the chairs provided."
The impact it will have on Labour canvassing in the future is exercising moderate Labourites on Twitter too
Good point.
I have canvassed, leafleted and helped the local labour party for the last decade or two.
Last night I emailed to say I was no longer willing to support them next May in a marginal council seat unless Kendall or Cooper wins.
The response was what you would expect from labour Councillors in a middle class ward aware what is about to happen to the party.
Seems a pity - most of us live with the fact that we sometimes in and sometimes lose, but we keep trying, within reason.
Not really, I could not stand the national party in May, they are about to make it far far harder to have anything to agree with.
Priory in Trafford used to be a strong Labour ward, with three Labour councillors returned every four years with strong majorities.
Starting in May that will turn and quite frankly if Burnham or Corbyn lead the party in a direction that I fundamentally disagree with then fair enough as I would never wish to see my part of the world giving justification to their type of mental politics.
I wish it'd been that exciting. There was a tall ship there, and I went for a walk around it. I got talking to one of the crew, who said they were looking for people to help them sail back, for a fee.
No experience needed ...
I went for a quick pint in the superlative Platform and phone Mrs J who, when I said I had no urgent work on, told me I could go.
Your versions sound much better ...
Dang, you make it all sound so.... comercial.
I bet it was a bit adventurous really. Being forced out along the ratlines in a howling gale by a drunken bosun's mate wielding a rattan cane whilst the mighty waves whipped to a frenzy by the terrible storm seemed to rise up to pluck you from the yardarm, perhaps. Maybe, the yachtsman you rescued from his stricken craft disappearing mysteriously one dark and moonless night leaving the captain, Mad Black Jack, in possession of a tin box he thought no one knew about.
Honestly you can't have an adventure on a tall ship which consisted of you paying them some money and then spending the next five days spewing your ring up. That isn't the way the world is supposed to work.
We did fire a potato gun at a Russian tall ship (*) in Dublin harbour, if that counts.
It was a great trip. The phosphorescence around the bow at night, sitting on watch on the roof of the midships cabin, seeing the lowest yard of the foremast sip below the wave crests during a storm. Slipping on the spew some other poor unfortunate had left beside a hatch, climbing the topgallant at night ...
The impact it will have on Labour canvassing in the future is exercising moderate Labourites on Twitter too
Good point.
I have canvassed, leafleted and helped the local labour party for the last decade or two.
Last night I emailed to say I was no longer willing to support them next May in a marginal council seat unless Kendall or Cooper wins.
The response was what you would expect from labour Councillors in a middle class ward aware what is about to happen to the party.
Which is entirely your right, but I wonder if Labour HQ would block your vote if they knew of this, in the way that they're blocking Corbyn supporters who express similar sentiments (on the basis that they're not "real" Labour supporters if they'd only stay for certain leadership candidates).
The impact it will have on Labour canvassing in the future is exercising moderate Labourites on Twitter too
Good point.
I have canvassed, leafleted and helped the local labour party for the last decade or two.
Last night I emailed to say I was no longer willing to support them next May in a marginal council seat unless Kendall or Cooper wins.
The response was what you would expect from labour Councillors in a middle class ward aware what is about to happen to the party.
Seems a pity - most of us live with the fact that we sometimes in and sometimes lose, but we keep trying, within reason.
I have some sympathy with that but I've deliberately abstained from assisting Conservative candidates I've not approved of in the and given my support elsewhere. If the whole nature of a party were to change, as Labour's appears to be doing, then I could understand someone abstaining from offering help there too if they thought its new direction was too divergent from what they originally wanted to see.
The impact it will have on Labour canvassing in the future is exercising moderate Labourites on Twitter too
Good point.
I have canvassed, leafleted and helped the local labour party for the last decade or two.
Last night I emailed to say I was no longer willing to support them next May in a marginal council seat unless Kendall or Cooper wins.
The response was what you would expect from labour Councillors in a middle class ward aware what is about to happen to the party.
Which is entirely your right, but I wonder if Labour HQ would block your vote if they knew of this, in the way that they're blocking Corbyn supporters who express similar sentiments (on the basis that they're not "real" Labour supporters if they'd only stay for certain leadership candidates).
Quite possibly, since I voted Kendall 1 and Cooper 2 it won't make any difference.
Either way, not sure how representative I am, sure plenty will replace me from the left.
But Labour are splitting and moving away from the part of the world in which I live.
The impact it will have on Labour canvassing in the future is exercising moderate Labourites on Twitter too
Good point.
I have canvassed, leafleted and helped the local labour party for the last decade or two.
Last night I emailed to say I was no longer willing to support them next May in a marginal council seat unless Kendall or Cooper wins.
The response was what you would expect from labour Councillors in a middle class ward aware what is about to happen to the party.
Seems a pity - most of us live with the fact that we sometimes in and sometimes lose, but we keep trying, within reason.
I have some sympathy with that but I've deliberately abstained from assisting Conservative candidates I've not approved of in the and given my support elsewhere. If the whole nature of a party were to change, as Labour's appears to be doing, then I could understand someone abstaining from offering help there too if they thought its new direction was too divergent from what they originally wanted to see.
Just about every policy that Corbyn has, centralising power in London, removing investment in the north whilst promoting power and investment in the south east are enough to make me never want to support a party that would actively make my part of the world, a poor part, much poorer.
Donald Trump - he's holding a rally in Mobile AL this evening, at Ladd Peebles Stadium. They are expecting 35,000 people. It's a very small stadium (40,000).
Compared to Jeb being here this week, when you looked round The Varsity you knew that everyone there was a voter.
The Trump rally looks more like an Elton John concert than a collection of voters. How many are there because it's the Trump Show?
The impact it will have on Labour canvassing in the future is exercising moderate Labourites on Twitter too
Good point.
I have canvassed, leafleted and helped the local labour party for the last decade or two.
Last night I emailed to say I was no longer willing to support them next May in a marginal council seat unless Kendall or Cooper wins.
The response was what you would expect from labour Councillors in a middle class ward aware what is about to happen to the party.
Seems a pity - most of us live with the fact that we sometimes in and sometimes lose, but we keep trying, within reason.
Not really, I could not stand the national party in May, they are about to make it far far harder to have anything to agree with.
Priory in Trafford used to be a strong Labour ward, with three Labour councillors returned every four years with strong majorities.
Starting in May that will turn and quite frankly if Burnham or Corbyn lead the party in a direction that I fundamentally disagree with then fair enough as I would never wish to see my part of the world giving justification to their type of mental politics.
Ooh, I'm in Priory Ward! I've always been quite surprised by how reliable the Labour vote is here; it doesn't, on the face of it, look like a Labour banker; though maybe some of it is a personal vote for the Councillors who have, as you say, been there for some time (I've met at least two of them, and, as a Tory, found them to be entirely reasonable people). I agree, it's not the sort of area to be wildly enthusiastic about a Corbyn-ite Labour. Although having said that, the arrival of the BBC seems to have brought a minor influx of middle-class-extreme-lefties to Sale.
The impact it will have on Labour canvassing in the future is exercising moderate Labourites on Twitter too
Good point.
I have canvassed, leafleted and helped the local labour party for the last decade or two.
Last night I emailed to say I was no longer willing to support them next May in a marginal council seat unless Kendall or Cooper wins.
The response was what you would expect from labour Councillors in a middle class ward aware what is about to happen to the party.
Seems a pity - most of us live with the fact that we sometimes in and sometimes lose, but we keep trying, within reason.
Not really, I could not stand the national party in May, they are about to make it far far harder to have anything to agree with.
Priory in Trafford used to be a strong Labour ward, with three Labour councillors returned every four years with strong majorities.
Starting in May that will turn and quite frankly if Burnham or Corbyn lead the party in a direction that I fundamentally disagree with then fair enough as I would never wish to see my part of the world giving justification to their type of mental politics.
Ooh, I'm in Priory Ward! I've always been quite surprised by how reliable the Labour vote is here; it doesn't, on the face of it, look like a Labour banker; though maybe some of it is a personal vote for the Councillors who have, as you say, been there for some time (I've met at least two of them, and, as a Tory, found them to be entirely reasonable people). I agree, it's not the sort of area to be wildly enthusiastic about a Corbyn-ite Labour. Although having said that, the arrival of the BBC seems to have brought a minor influx of middle-class-extreme-lefties to Sale.
I know the 3 councillors very well.
The elections in May are not being looked forward to.
BTW - I live just Washway Rd side of the bridge on Dane Rd.
Donald Trump - he's holding a rally in Mobile AL this evening, at Ladd Peebles Stadium. They are expecting 35,000 people. It's a very small stadium (40,000).
Compared to Jeb being here this week, when you looked round The Varsity you knew that everyone there was a voter.
The Trump rally looks more like an Elton John concert than a collection of voters. How many are there because it's the Trump Show?
The impact it will have on Labour canvassing in the future is exercising moderate Labourites on Twitter too
Good point.
I have canvassed, leafleted and helped the local labour party for the last decade or two.
Last night I emailed to say I was no longer willing to support them next May in a marginal council seat unless Kendall or Cooper wins.
The response was what you would expect from labour Councillors in a middle class ward aware what is about to happen to the party.
Seems a pity - most of us live with the fact that we sometimes in and sometimes lose, but we keep trying, within reason.
Not really, I could not stand the national party in May, they are about to make it far far harder to have anything to agree with.
Priory in Trafford used to be a strong Labour ward, with three Labour councillors returned every four years with strong majorities.
Starting in May that will turn and quite frankly if Burnham or Corbyn lead the party in a direction that I fundamentally disagree with then fair enough as I would never wish to see my part of the world giving justification to their type of mental politics.
Ooh, I'm in Priory Ward! I've always been quite surprised by how reliable the Labour vote is here; it doesn't, on the face of it, look like a Labour banker; though maybe some of it is a personal vote for the Councillors who have, as you say, been there for some time (I've met at least two of them, and, as a Tory, found them to be entirely reasonable people). I agree, it's not the sort of area to be wildly enthusiastic about a Corbyn-ite Labour. Although having said that, the arrival of the BBC seems to have brought a minor influx of middle-class-extreme-lefties to Sale.
I know the 3 councillors very well.
The elections in May are not being looked forward to.
BTW - I live just Washway Rd side of the bridge on Dane Rd.
In the mid 70s I worked in Sale on Washway Rd, lived in Knutsford.
The impact it will have on Labour canvassing in the future is exercising moderate Labourites on Twitter too
Good point.
I have canvassed, leafleted and helped the local labour party for the last decade or two.
Last night I emailed to say I was no longer willing to support them next May in a marginal council seat unless Kendall or Cooper wins.
The response was what you would expect from labour Councillors in a middle class ward aware what is about to happen to the party.
Seems a pity - most of us live with the fact that we sometimes in and sometimes lose, but we keep trying, within reason.
Not really, I could not stand the national party in May, they are about to make it far far harder to have anything to agree with.
Priory in Trafford used to be a strong Labour ward, with three Labour councillors returned every four years with strong majorities.
Starting in May that will turn and quite frankly if Burnham or Corbyn lead the party in a direction that I fundamentally disagree with then fair enough as I would never wish to see my part of the world giving justification to their type of mental politics.
Ooh, I'm in Priory Ward! I've always been quite surprised by how reliable the Labour vote is here; it doesn't, on the face of it, look like a Labour banker; though maybe some of it is a personal vote for the Councillors who have, as you say, been there for some time (I've met at least two of them, and, as a Tory, found them to be entirely reasonable people). I agree, it's not the sort of area to be wildly enthusiastic about a Corbyn-ite Labour. Although having said that, the arrival of the BBC seems to have brought a minor influx of middle-class-extreme-lefties to Sale.
I know the 3 councillors very well.
The elections in May are not being looked forward to.
BTW - I live just Washway Rd side of the bridge on Dane Rd.
I'm on Dane Road too! I'm up at the eastern end near Temple Road.
There once was a party which said "For three quid choose who'll follow Ed". But despite pleas from Mandy For Yvette, Liz or Andy, The buggers preferred an old red.
The impact it will have on Labour canvassing in the future is exercising moderate Labourites on Twitter too
Good point.
I have canvassed, leafleted and helped the local labour party for the last decade or two.
Last night I emailed to say I was no longer willing to support them next May in a marginal council seat unless Kendall or Cooper wins.
The response was what you would expect from labour Councillors in a middle class ward aware what is about to happen to the party.
Seems a pity - most of us live with the fact that we sometimes in and sometimes lose, but we keep trying, within reason.
Not really, I could not stand the national party in May, they are about to make it far far harder to have anything to agree with.
Priory in Trafford used to be a strong Labour ward, with three Labour councillors returned every four years with strong majorities.
Starting in May that will turn and quite frankly if Burnham or Corbyn lead the party in a direction that I fundamentally disagree with then fair enough as I would never wish to see my part of the world giving justification to their type of mental politics.
Ooh, I'm in Priory Ward! I've always been quite surprised by how reliable the Labour vote is here; it doesn't, on the face of it, look like a Labour banker; though maybe some of it is a personal vote for the Councillors who have, as you say, been there for some time (I've met at least two of them, and, as a Tory, found them to be entirely reasonable people). I agree, it's not the sort of area to be wildly enthusiastic about a Corbyn-ite Labour. Although having said that, the arrival of the BBC seems to have brought a minor influx of middle-class-extreme-lefties to Sale.
I know the 3 councillors very well.
The elections in May are not being looked forward to.
BTW - I live just Washway Rd side of the bridge on Dane Rd.
I'm on Dane Road too! I'm up at the eastern end near Temple Road.
There once was a party which said "For three quid choose who'll follow Ed". But despite pleas from Mandy For Yvette, Liz or Andy, The buggers preferred an old red.
The impact it will have on Labour canvassing in the future is exercising moderate Labourites on Twitter too
Good point.
I have canvassed, leafleted and helped the local labour party for the last decade or two.
Last night I emailed to say I was no longer willing to support them next May in a marginal council seat unless Kendall or Cooper wins.
The response was what you would expect from labour Councillors in a middle class ward aware what is about to happen to the party.
Given Labour membership is now up to 600,000, higher even than the early Blair years, I don't expect they will be too concerned. Labour may not pick an electable leader but they will have a leader with a far larger activist base
The impact it will have on Labour canvassing in the future is exercising moderate Labourites on Twitter too
Good point.
I have canvassed, leafleted and helped the local labour party for the last decade or two.
Last night I emailed to say I was no longer willing to support them next May in a marginal council seat unless Kendall or Cooper wins.
The response was what you would expect from labour Councillors in a middle class ward aware what is about to happen to the party.
Given Labour membership is now up to 600,000, higher even than the early Blair years, I don't expect they will be too concerned. Labour may not pick an electable leader but they will have a leader with a far larger activist base
Agreed, I think I said that in my first post.
Be interesting how effective that is in areas like where I live which are very middle class and have historically always voted labour.
I wish it'd been that exciting. There was a tall ship there, and I went for a walk around it. I got talking to one of the crew, who said they were looking for people to help them sail back, for a fee.
No experience needed ...
I went for a quick pint in the superlative Platform and phone Mrs J who, when I said I had no urgent work on, told me I could go.
Your versions sound much better ...
Dang, you make it all sound so.... comercial.
I bet it was a bit adventurous really. Being forced out along the ratlines in a howling gale by a drunken bosun's mate wielding a rattan cane whilst the mighty waves whipped to a frenzy by the terrible storm seemed to rise up to pluck you from the yardarm, perhaps. Maybe, the yachtsman you rescued from his stricken craft disappearing mysteriously one dark and moonless night leaving the captain, Mad Black Jack, in possession of a tin box he thought no one knew about.
Honestly you can't have an adventure on a tall ship which consisted of you paying them some money and then spending the next five days spewing your ring up. That isn't the way the world is supposed to work.
Aye shipmate, but how about being simultaneously on fire, taking on water and not under command in a Force 11 in the middle of the night in the North Sea?
And watching your own father knock out the junior 'engineer' who was about to discharge a CO2 fire extinguisher into the engine compartment.
If we'd lost that engine, I wouldn't be here to write these lines...
Can any of our in-house historians tell me when the power of the Privy Council passed to the Cabinet?
The Hanoverian accession. As soon as there was a prime minister, rather than the monarch, acting as head of government, then it became those who held executive office rather than those who were advisors who counted. There was, of course, an overlap and it wasn't as cut-and-dried as one side of 1714 and the other - under Queen Anne, a cabinet of ministers was becoming an established feature - but it was the single-party nature of the cabinets / governments under George I their potency, combined with the absence of the king himself.
Donald Trump - he's holding a rally in Mobile AL this evening, at Ladd Peebles Stadium. They are expecting 35,000 people. It's a very small stadium (40,000).
Compared to Jeb being here this week, when you looked round The Varsity you knew that everyone there was a voter.
The Trump rally looks more like an Elton John concert than a collection of voters. How many are there because it's the Trump Show?
55-60% still vote in US presidential elections, a majority of the US population unlike the midterms, so if Trump is packing out stadiums that is no bad thing and in the primaries you need to build some excitement to get supporters out. Say what you like about Trump but he is the only one of the candidates on the GOP side who is filling halls and hotel conference rooms and is really generating interest, and he does give a genuine performance, while a Jeb Bush or a Walker or Kasich rally are cures for insomnia. On the Democratic side to be fair too it is Sanders who is getting people along to hear him speak to a greater extent than Hillary.
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He wants to re-unify Ireland because Blair had a victory with it - and he hates Blair.
He wants to give the Falklands away because Thatcher had a victory with it - and he hates Thatcher.
Who upon one Burnham blunder
Stole a march upon the pack
So he could lead from the back
I'm your publisher this weekend.
For Deputy voted Creasy, Flint, Bradshaw, Eagle, Watson.... I think.
As for the Falklands, I imagine he has other reasons, but that one of his default defences of his position in that clip produced below was to make Britain, in essence, equally culpable by staying Thatcher used it as a distraction from her record (even if true that it did distract people, so what, she was not the one to instigate it in order to distract anyone) suggests hatred of her plays a role in his thinking.
Your piece might be third ever PB piece to published from inside a cinema
So why you might ask did Labour MPs go out of their way to put him on a ticket which was well known to be virtually an open primary.
Is it only me that is getting a bit fed up?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11817530/Jeremy-Corbyn-to-refuse-position-on-Queens-Privy-Council-if-he-wins-Labour-leadership.html
A curious way of putting it. 'Fresh evidence...surfaced'. This isn't like alleged connections to unsavorary characters he'd try to explain away as something else, it's something pretty basic about his political position which it would be surprising if he did not believe, for all he might be advised to play it down right now (the only way he can do that is to not bring it himself I would have thought). The only surprise was his apparent initial failure to provide a response re the PC question.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/aug/21/ned-the-cat-votes-corbyn-labour-leader-llamas?CMP=share_btn_tw
The guy reportedly had an automatic rifle in an enclosed space. A blind man with it could have done more damage.
My understanding is the restraining party were largely US.
If you put the lecturers there into a mincing machine a remoulded them into one, you'd get Jeremy Corbyn
I left a year later and joined UKIP!
2) It needs repeating: you really trust polling on this? It must be a devilishly hard thing to poll on, by its very nature.
I agree Corbyn might bring some energy to the party. I've said on here passim that the Conservatives are being slightly too dismissive of him. His energy might give people a fourth way forward.
OTOH, that same energy might be akin to a nuclear blast that destroys the party.
(I know, I know, work with me on this...)
This is heading more towards a Trading Standards investigation than a legal challenge to the result.
But frankly - and honest really cross my heart and hope to die - I was only this morning - honest - wondering about how it could be squared that such an obvious traitor and security risk like Corbyn could be allowed into the Privy Council. Plus of course he would have to take the oath which he has previously said he does not believe in - ie an oath to the monarch.
We can only guess at the other nonsense games he will play as LOTO.
But then we have the issue of those Labour MPs who are currently on the PC. What can they now be trusted with?
It's always possible Corbyn would swear on his boy scout woodcraft badge I suppose.
You know - I don't think he really can win. Are there really so few semi sentient beings, as opposed to total thickos, in Labour that he can win? At best no rational Labour MP or even EXMP could vote for and endorse him. Such people are the ones Labour should be relying on aren't they?
Blimey. That's one hell of a close shave.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34023361
Who said, "Leading Labour is very me.
I surprised with my surge
and next is the purge
If the PLP doesn't bury me..."
No experience needed ...
I went for a quick pint in the superlative Platform and phone Mrs J who, when I said I had no urgent work on, told me I could go.
Your versions sound much better ...
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/as-an-mp-i-shouldnt-have-to-swear-allegiance-to-the-queen--i-serve-my-constituents-not-her-10284293.html
It flies for heart and not for head
To fight oppression everywhere
(unless it's Jews, then we don't care)
Another day, another cause
But it's a futile task because
In five years time the world will see
Another Tory victory.
I bet it was a bit adventurous really. Being forced out along the ratlines in a howling gale by a drunken bosun's mate wielding a rattan cane whilst the mighty waves whipped to a frenzy by the terrible storm seemed to rise up to pluck you from the yardarm, perhaps. Maybe, the yachtsman you rescued from his stricken craft disappearing mysteriously one dark and moonless night leaving the captain, Mad Black Jack, in possession of a tin box he thought no one knew about.
Honestly you can't have an adventure on a tall ship which consisted of you paying them some money and then spending the next five days spewing your ring up. That isn't the way the world is supposed to work.
At this stage it's just a name recognition game with the GBP.
And, well... if its not so important, why make a fuss?
It was a great trip. The phosphorescence around the bow at night, sitting on watch on the roof of the midships cabin, seeing the lowest yard of the foremast sip below the wave crests during a storm. Slipping on the spew some other poor unfortunate had left beside a hatch, climbing the topgallant at night ...
(*) I think it was: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STS_Mir
Ducking questions on if Mr Corbyn had met with Mr McCluskey, the spokesman said: “I’ll ask, but I can’t guarantee a straight answer, particularly as it’s Friday”.
1) Kendall 2 ) Corbyn
1) Creasy 2) Watson
I feel a bit dirty....
Admittedly he was then followed up by my cousin who started his speech 'My Lords, Ladies, Gentleman, and friends of my father"
Last night I emailed to say I was no longer willing to support them next May in a marginal council seat unless Kendall or Cooper wins.
The response was what you would expect from labour Councillors in a middle class ward aware what is about to happen to the party.
Priory in Trafford used to be a strong Labour ward, with three Labour councillors returned every four years with strong majorities.
Starting in May that will turn and quite frankly if Burnham or Corbyn lead the party in a direction that I fundamentally disagree with then fair enough as I would never wish to see my part of the world giving justification to their type of mental politics.
Kendall
Burnham
Cooper
Either way, not sure how representative I am, sure plenty will replace me from the left.
But Labour are splitting and moving away from the part of the world in which I live.
Compared to Jeb being here this week, when you looked round The Varsity you knew that everyone there was a voter.
The Trump rally looks more like an Elton John concert than a collection of voters. How many are there because it's the Trump Show?
I've always been quite surprised by how reliable the Labour vote is here; it doesn't, on the face of it, look like a Labour banker; though maybe some of it is a personal vote for the Councillors who have, as you say, been there for some time (I've met at least two of them, and, as a Tory, found them to be entirely reasonable people).
I agree, it's not the sort of area to be wildly enthusiastic about a Corbyn-ite Labour. Although having said that, the arrival of the BBC seems to have brought a minor influx of middle-class-extreme-lefties to Sale.
The elections in May are not being looked forward to.
BTW - I live just Washway Rd side of the bridge on Dane Rd.
http://www.fox10tv.com/category/291730/livestreaming-on-fox10
A Fox marathon.
"For three quid choose who'll follow Ed".
But despite pleas from Mandy
For Yvette, Liz or Andy,
The buggers preferred an old red.
You are very close!!!
Be interesting how effective that is in areas like where I live which are very middle class and have historically always voted labour.
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And watching your own father knock out the junior 'engineer' who was about to discharge a CO2 fire extinguisher into the engine compartment.
If we'd lost that engine, I wouldn't be here to write these lines...