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I'd love to see Blair tried for treason.MarqueeMark said:
Hell yeah, I'd vote for him!Scott_P said:@JamesClayton5: Corbyn tells #newsnight's @maitlis that Blair could be tried for war crimes. This could get messy...
(Could he add in Al "Sexed Up Dossier" Campbell too please? Pretty please?)0 -
You won't be voting.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Straw and Hoon as well please.MarqueeMark said:
Hell yeah, I'd vote for him!Scott_P said:@JamesClayton5: Corbyn tells #newsnight's @maitlis that Blair could be tried for war crimes. This could get messy...
(Could he add in Al "Sexed Up Dossier" Campbell too please? Pretty please?)
My membership card arrived today.
With this news Jezza could be rocketing to my first choice.
Jez we can!
I've reported your name to the Labour Party in my role as Hertsmere Membership Secretary.
Tories should NOT be voting in Labour elections. I feel very strongly about this.
You should be ashamed of yourself. It's a perversion of democracy.
Monty0 -
Who says he's a Tory?Monty said:
You won't be voting.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Straw and Hoon as well please.MarqueeMark said:
Hell yeah, I'd vote for him!Scott_P said:@JamesClayton5: Corbyn tells #newsnight's @maitlis that Blair could be tried for war crimes. This could get messy...
(Could he add in Al "Sexed Up Dossier" Campbell too please? Pretty please?)
My membership card arrived today.
With this news Jezza could be rocketing to my first choice.
Jez we can!
I've reported your name to the Labour Party in my role as Hertsmere Membership Secretary.
Tories should NOT be voting in Labour elections. I feel very strongly about this.
You should be ashamed of yourself. It's a perversion of democracy.
Monty0 -
He's anti Labour. He won't be voting. It's done.Sean_F said:
Who says he's a Tory?Monty said:
You won't be voting.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Straw and Hoon as well please.MarqueeMark said:
Hell yeah, I'd vote for him!Scott_P said:@JamesClayton5: Corbyn tells #newsnight's @maitlis that Blair could be tried for war crimes. This could get messy...
(Could he add in Al "Sexed Up Dossier" Campbell too please? Pretty please?)
My membership card arrived today.
With this news Jezza could be rocketing to my first choice.
Jez we can!
I've reported your name to the Labour Party in my role as Hertsmere Membership Secretary.
Tories should NOT be voting in Labour elections. I feel very strongly about this.
You should be ashamed of yourself. It's a perversion of democracy.
Monty0 -
Maybe he's been converted to Labour by Jeremy Corbyn.Monty said:
He's anti Labour. He won't be voting. It's done.Sean_F said:
Who says he's a Tory?Monty said:
You won't be voting.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Straw and Hoon as well please.MarqueeMark said:
Hell yeah, I'd vote for him!Scott_P said:@JamesClayton5: Corbyn tells #newsnight's @maitlis that Blair could be tried for war crimes. This could get messy...
(Could he add in Al "Sexed Up Dossier" Campbell too please? Pretty please?)
My membership card arrived today.
With this news Jezza could be rocketing to my first choice.
Jez we can!
I've reported your name to the Labour Party in my role as Hertsmere Membership Secretary.
Tories should NOT be voting in Labour elections. I feel very strongly about this.
You should be ashamed of yourself. It's a perversion of democracy.
Monty0 -
For every one you report, two will stand in his place.Monty said:
He's anti Labour. He won't be voting. It's done.Sean_F said:
Who says he's a Tory?Monty said:
You won't be voting.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Straw and Hoon as well please.MarqueeMark said:
Hell yeah, I'd vote for him!Scott_P said:@JamesClayton5: Corbyn tells #newsnight's @maitlis that Blair could be tried for war crimes. This could get messy...
(Could he add in Al "Sexed Up Dossier" Campbell too please? Pretty please?)
My membership card arrived today.
With this news Jezza could be rocketing to my first choice.
Jez we can!
I've reported your name to the Labour Party in my role as Hertsmere Membership Secretary.
Tories should NOT be voting in Labour elections. I feel very strongly about this.
You should be ashamed of yourself. It's a perversion of democracy.
Monty
It's down to your own party's damn fool fault for allowing this.0 -
I bought the new edition of The Rail Atlas of Great Britain and Ireland todayFrancisUrquhart said:Burnham in the Mirror tomorrow...."I'll renationalise the railways"....
And where the money required for this would come from....magic money tree?
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Only one house? After the owls fiasco I'm even more disappointed.0
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Hope he didn't register with the Labour Party as Hertsmere Pubgoer, otherwise he might have lost his 3 quid.Sean_F said:
Maybe he's been converted to Labour by Jeremy Corbyn.Monty said:
He's anti Labour. He won't be voting. It's done.Sean_F said:
Who says he's a Tory?Monty said:
You won't be voting.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Straw and Hoon as well please.MarqueeMark said:
Hell yeah, I'd vote for him!Scott_P said:@JamesClayton5: Corbyn tells #newsnight's @maitlis that Blair could be tried for war crimes. This could get messy...
(Could he add in Al "Sexed Up Dossier" Campbell too please? Pretty please?)
My membership card arrived today.
With this news Jezza could be rocketing to my first choice.
Jez we can!
I've reported your name to the Labour Party in my role as Hertsmere Membership Secretary.
Tories should NOT be voting in Labour elections. I feel very strongly about this.
You should be ashamed of yourself. It's a perversion of democracy.
Monty0 -
I wouldn't dream of trying to vote in the internal election of a party I don't support.Sean_F said:
Maybe he's been converted to Labour by Jeremy Corbyn.Monty said:
He's anti Labour. He won't be voting. It's done.Sean_F said:
Who says he's a Tory?Monty said:
You won't be voting.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Straw and Hoon as well please.MarqueeMark said:
Hell yeah, I'd vote for him!Scott_P said:@JamesClayton5: Corbyn tells #newsnight's @maitlis that Blair could be tried for war crimes. This could get messy...
(Could he add in Al "Sexed Up Dossier" Campbell too please? Pretty please?)
My membership card arrived today.
With this news Jezza could be rocketing to my first choice.
Jez we can!
I've reported your name to the Labour Party in my role as Hertsmere Membership Secretary.
Tories should NOT be voting in Labour elections. I feel very strongly about this.
You should be ashamed of yourself. It's a perversion of democracy.
Monty
I find it genuinely disgusting.
I'm a believer in democracy before anything else and any action that tries to subvert democracy is wrong.
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I still don't understand the problem with having non-Labour supporters voting in the leadership election. The whole point of the system (which, again, was pushed for primarily by Blairites) was precisely to "broaden the debate out beyond the party".
Sure, you'll get a few idiots who purposely vote for who they think would be an election-loser. But what's the problem with people like Mike Smithson having a vote (who has said he wants a strong opposition for the good of the country so will be voting for who he thinks is best)?0 -
Well you will have a lot of reporting to do, I know many longstanding Tory members voting in this Labour leadership election. I will be voting (albeit probably for Burnham first, not Corbyn) and over half the pbTories will be voting too as well as OGH a LD activist. It was Labour who introduced the stupid £3 rule so there is no point getting all Gestapo about it now! Albeit I agree there is nothing to stop Labour supporters voting in Tory open primaries eitherMonty said:
You won't be voting.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Straw and Hoon as well please.MarqueeMark said:
Hell yeah, I'd vote for him!Scott_P said:@JamesClayton5: Corbyn tells #newsnight's @maitlis that Blair could be tried for war crimes. This could get messy...
(Could he add in Al "Sexed Up Dossier" Campbell too please? Pretty please?)
My membership card arrived today.
With this news Jezza could be rocketing to my first choice.
Jez we can!
I've reported your name to the Labour Party in my role as Hertsmere Membership Secretary.
Tories should NOT be voting in Labour elections. I feel very strongly about this.
You should be ashamed of yourself. It's a perversion of democracy.
Monty0 -
How do we know you're really in Hertsmere?Monty said:
I wouldn't dream of trying to vote in the internal election of a party I don't support.Sean_F said:
Maybe he's been converted to Labour by Jeremy Corbyn.Monty said:
He's anti Labour. He won't be voting. It's done.Sean_F said:
Who says he's a Tory?Monty said:
You won't be voting.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Straw and Hoon as well please.MarqueeMark said:
Hell yeah, I'd vote for him!Scott_P said:@JamesClayton5: Corbyn tells #newsnight's @maitlis that Blair could be tried for war crimes. This could get messy...
(Could he add in Al "Sexed Up Dossier" Campbell too please? Pretty please?)
My membership card arrived today.
With this news Jezza could be rocketing to my first choice.
Jez we can!
I've reported your name to the Labour Party in my role as Hertsmere Membership Secretary.
Tories should NOT be voting in Labour elections. I feel very strongly about this.
You should be ashamed of yourself. It's a perversion of democracy.
Monty
I find it genuinely disgusting.
I'm a believer in democracy before anything else and any action that tries to subvert democracy is wrong.0 -
That's NOT his real nameMTimT said:
Hope he didn't register with the Labour Party as Hertsmere Pubgoer, otherwise he might have lost his 3 quid.Sean_F said:
Maybe he's been converted to Labour by Jeremy Corbyn.Monty said:
He's anti Labour. He won't be voting. It's done.Sean_F said:
Who says he's a Tory?Monty said:
You won't be voting.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Straw and Hoon as well please.MarqueeMark said:
Hell yeah, I'd vote for him!Scott_P said:@JamesClayton5: Corbyn tells #newsnight's @maitlis that Blair could be tried for war crimes. This could get messy...
(Could he add in Al "Sexed Up Dossier" Campbell too please? Pretty please?)
My membership card arrived today.
With this news Jezza could be rocketing to my first choice.
Jez we can!
I've reported your name to the Labour Party in my role as Hertsmere Membership Secretary.
Tories should NOT be voting in Labour elections. I feel very strongly about this.
You should be ashamed of yourself. It's a perversion of democracy.
Monty 0 -
My entire household will be voting and some relatives are in on the actionMonty said:
I wouldn't dream of trying to vote in the internal election of a party I don't support.Sean_F said:
Maybe he's been converted to Labour by Jeremy Corbyn.Monty said:
He's anti Labour. He won't be voting. It's done.Sean_F said:
Who says he's a Tory?Monty said:
You won't be voting.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Straw and Hoon as well please.MarqueeMark said:
Hell yeah, I'd vote for him!Scott_P said:@JamesClayton5: Corbyn tells #newsnight's @maitlis that Blair could be tried for war crimes. This could get messy...
(Could he add in Al "Sexed Up Dossier" Campbell too please? Pretty please?)
My membership card arrived today.
With this news Jezza could be rocketing to my first choice.
Jez we can!
I've reported your name to the Labour Party in my role as Hertsmere Membership Secretary.
Tories should NOT be voting in Labour elections. I feel very strongly about this.
You should be ashamed of yourself. It's a perversion of democracy.
Monty
I find it genuinely disgusting.
I'm a believer in democracy before anything else and any action that tries to subvert democracy is wrong.
They are all going to be voting for the loony left candidate Corbyn.
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Monty has a point. I was tempted to register, to vote for Corbyn, but I decided it would be dishonest.0
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His name was in an email of new members to me.Sunil_Prasannan said:
How do we know you're really in Hertsmere?Monty said:
I wouldn't dream of trying to vote in the internal election of a party I don't support.Sean_F said:
Maybe he's been converted to Labour by Jeremy Corbyn.Monty said:
He's anti Labour. He won't be voting. It's done.Sean_F said:
Who says he's a Tory?Monty said:
You won't be voting.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Straw and Hoon as well please.MarqueeMark said:
Hell yeah, I'd vote for him!Scott_P said:@JamesClayton5: Corbyn tells #newsnight's @maitlis that Blair could be tried for war crimes. This could get messy...
(Could he add in Al "Sexed Up Dossier" Campbell too please? Pretty please?)
My membership card arrived today.
With this news Jezza could be rocketing to my first choice.
Jez we can!
I've reported your name to the Labour Party in my role as Hertsmere Membership Secretary.
Tories should NOT be voting in Labour elections. I feel very strongly about this.
You should be ashamed of yourself. It's a perversion of democracy.
Monty
I find it genuinely disgusting.
I'm a believer in democracy before anything else and any action that tries to subvert democracy is wrong.0 -
Social care is actually a major challenge and it is good he is talking about it, we also need to ensure the Tories keep to their plans for a social care cap in 2020tyson said:Burnham's big, huge, strategic, mind blowing policy announcement thus far was.....drum roll.....a bit more..... yes....a few more beats....was..... to integrate health and social care. You got it.
Maybe, just maybe (and even that is unrealistic) an autistic, policywonk in the farther reaches of some frozen government department may be slightly (and I mean slightly) interested in this policy....but seriously Andy.
I much prefer his proposal to give us all some more houses- I want to be the goalie for Man City too- can you sort out that out Andy?The_Apocalypse said:
Guaranteed home to rent or own?!Plato said:And a free pony plus a partridge in a pear tree?
HYUFD said:Andy Burnham unveils some key policies, including a third runway at Heathrow, a guaranteed home to rent or own, public/private partnerships to tackle land shortages, a land tax on commercial properties, no cut in the top tax rate while tax credits are cut, greater state control of railways and improved East-West lines and a cap on social care costs.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/its-all-about-the-big-vision-as-andy-burnham-steps-up-the-campaign-to-lead-labour-10437312.html
FFS. Labour must stop with these nonsense policies. May as well guarantee that everyone gets be millionaire, and lives happily ever at this rate. We'll probably all find pots of gold at the end of the rainbow too.0 -
I thought your faux outrage at Herbert was taking the piss- but gosh, you're taking all this a bit too seriously comrade. Hang loose- when the Tory leadership contest comes up I'm going for a bring back Widders campaign to be put to a public vote.Monty said:
I wouldn't dream of trying to vote in the internal election of a party I don't support.Sean_F said:
Maybe he's been converted to Labour by Jeremy Corbyn.Monty said:
He's anti Labour. He won't be voting. It's done.Sean_F said:
Who says he's a Tory?Monty said:
You won't be voting.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Straw and Hoon as well please.MarqueeMark said:
Hell yeah, I'd vote for him!Scott_P said:@JamesClayton5: Corbyn tells #newsnight's @maitlis that Blair could be tried for war crimes. This could get messy...
(Could he add in Al "Sexed Up Dossier" Campbell too please? Pretty please?)
My membership card arrived today.
With this news Jezza could be rocketing to my first choice.
Jez we can!
I've reported your name to the Labour Party in my role as Hertsmere Membership Secretary.
Tories should NOT be voting in Labour elections. I feel very strongly about this.
You should be ashamed of yourself. It's a perversion of democracy.
Monty
I find it genuinely disgusting.
I'm a believer in democracy before anything else and any action that tries to subvert democracy is wrong.0 -
So, because the system is relatively easy to subvert it's fine to vote to try and disrupt it for your own ends?HYUFD said:
Well you will have a lot of reporting to do, I know many longstanding Tory members voting in this Labour leadership election. I will be voting (albeit probably for Burnham first, not Corbyn) and over half the pbTories will be voting too as well as OGH a LD activist. It was Labour who introduced the stupid £3 rule so there is no point getting all Gestapo about it now! Albeit I agree there is nothing to stop Labour supporters voting in Tory open primaries eitherMonty said:
You won't be voting.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Straw and Hoon as well please.MarqueeMark said:
Hell yeah, I'd vote for him!Scott_P said:@JamesClayton5: Corbyn tells #newsnight's @maitlis that Blair could be tried for war crimes. This could get messy...
(Could he add in Al "Sexed Up Dossier" Campbell too please? Pretty please?)
My membership card arrived today.
With this news Jezza could be rocketing to my first choice.
Jez we can!
I've reported your name to the Labour Party in my role as Hertsmere Membership Secretary.
Tories should NOT be voting in Labour elections. I feel very strongly about this.
You should be ashamed of yourself. It's a perversion of democracy.
Monty
Nice. Again, I find it appalling that people think that's ok.0 -
I'm considering it, but £3 is alot of money !
Could buy at least a sandwich and drink with that...0 -
No, I meant how do we know YOU're really in Hertsmere?Monty said:
His name was in an email of new members to me.Sunil_Prasannan said:
How do we know you're really in Hertsmere?Monty said:
I wouldn't dream of trying to vote in the internal election of a party I don't support.Sean_F said:
Maybe he's been converted to Labour by Jeremy Corbyn.Monty said:
He's anti Labour. He won't be voting. It's done.Sean_F said:
Who says he's a Tory?Monty said:
You won't be voting.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Straw and Hoon as well please.MarqueeMark said:
Hell yeah, I'd vote for him!Scott_P said:@JamesClayton5: Corbyn tells #newsnight's @maitlis that Blair could be tried for war crimes. This could get messy...
(Could he add in Al "Sexed Up Dossier" Campbell too please? Pretty please?)
My membership card arrived today.
With this news Jezza could be rocketing to my first choice.
Jez we can!
I've reported your name to the Labour Party in my role as Hertsmere Membership Secretary.
Tories should NOT be voting in Labour elections. I feel very strongly about this.
You should be ashamed of yourself. It's a perversion of democracy.
Monty
I find it genuinely disgusting.
I'm a believer in democracy before anything else and any action that tries to subvert democracy is wrong.0 -
Bollox you two- you're just a bunch of short arms, long pockets gobby types who when push comes to shove can't bring themselves to fork out 3 notes to subvert democracy.AndyJS said:
Same with me. I couldn't bring myself to do it.Sean_F said:Monty has a point. I was tempted to register, to vote for Corbyn, but I decided it would be dishonest.
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I didn't vote Tory in May and if you can be bothered to look at threads passim you will see that I slagged off the Tory candidate before hand.Monty said:
You won't be voting.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Straw and Hoon as well please.MarqueeMark said:
Hell yeah, I'd vote for him!Scott_P said:@JamesClayton5: Corbyn tells #newsnight's @maitlis that Blair could be tried for war crimes. This could get messy...
(Could he add in Al "Sexed Up Dossier" Campbell too please? Pretty please?)
My membership card arrived today.
With this news Jezza could be rocketing to my first choice.
Jez we can!
I've reported your name to the Labour Party in my role as Hertsmere Membership Secretary.
Tories should NOT be voting in Labour elections. I feel very strongly about this.
You should be ashamed of yourself. It's a perversion of democracy.
Monty
I like politicians that speak their mind and not ones that have come out of the focussed group sausage factory.
IIRC OGH has also joined Labour (happy to be corrected if I'm wrong), are you going to report him as well?
Methinks you're all piss and wind about this.0 -
It could cover a Super Off-Peak Return between Birmingham and anywhere in the West Midlands conurbationPulpstar said:I'm considering it, but £3 is alot of money !
Could buy at least a sandwich and drink with that... 0 -
To vote, you have to agree to the aims and values of the Labour Party.Danny565 said:I still don't understand the problem with having non-Labour supporters voting in the leadership election. The whole point of the system (which, again, was pushed for primarily by Blairites) was precisely to "broaden the debate out beyond the party".
Sure, you'll get a few idiots who purposely vote for who they think would be an election-loser. But what's the problem with people like Mike Smithson having a vote (who has said he wants a strong opposition for the good of the country so will be voting for who he thinks is best)?
If you don't support the party and it aims and you join then it's under false pretences so you should be barred from voting.
Very simple.0 -
In my opinion speeding in a car is far worse than taking drugs.Financier said:
I have no faith in my local police. They are very hot with people doing 32mph in a 30 limit and use unmarked police cars to catch them, but they let drug dealers walk around anywhere. It seems that they are only willing to do the easy stuff on people who cause no trouble, but anything that is difficult they let go by with a blind eye. Recently someone was sexually assaulted before a witness and they dismissed it as insufficient evidence and told the witness not to bother them.foxinsoxuk said:
It maybe ludicrous, but that is the police opinion: burglary and theft from cars is not worth investigating:Disraeli said:
The key point for me is to respect the victims of crime. Part of that is to get official recognition that they really ARE victims. For this, it doesn't matter whether the perpetrator of the crime is alive or dead. The only thing that matters is that the facts come to light.isam said:
If you were a child raped by a now dead celebrity who was seen laughing and joking with young children on tv repeats, I think you'd be pleased when the time came that people spat at the mention of his name
The police will prioritize their resources accordingly, as of course they must, and some crimes will be investigated more vigorously than others. That is how it should be. The argument that crimes should be overlooked in their entirety because police resources are limited is ludicrous.
http://news.sky.com/story/1329795/police-asking-victims-to-investigate-own-crimes
Not that investigating your own crime helps! I was burgled and a camera stolen and reported to the police. They did nothing, but I contacted all the 3 second hand camera shops in town. One indeed had my camera, along with the name and address of the seller. I reported this and got my camera back but the burglar/fence was never charged. How much more evidence did they need!
People who take drugs choose to harm themselves. Drug dealers facilitate that.
People who drive too fast choose to potentially harm people other than themselves.
I'm no angel on both counts. But having both driven too fast and been worse for wear on drugs, I know I'm far more likely to kill someone speeding than I am stoned.
Interestingly I'm sure it was the Freakomomics guys who worked out that you are nine times more likely to come to harm walking home pissed than you are driving home pissed! If that's true it's a fab fact.
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On topic, were Dave to quit before the election and Labour elected Corbyn as leader, there'd be about 329 Tory MPs who think they'd could win the 2020 election
329 Tory MPs to stand as leader in that scenario0 -
Monty- if there's a hosepipe ban, I wouldn't like to be your neighbour when I do a spot of late night watering.Monty said:
To vote, you have to agree to the aims and values of the Labour Party.Danny565 said:I still don't understand the problem with having non-Labour supporters voting in the leadership election. The whole point of the system (which, again, was pushed for primarily by Blairites) was precisely to "broaden the debate out beyond the party".
Sure, you'll get a few idiots who purposely vote for who they think would be an election-loser. But what's the problem with people like Mike Smithson having a vote (who has said he wants a strong opposition for the good of the country so will be voting for who he thinks is best)?
If you don't support the party and it aims and you join then it's under false pretences so you should be barred from voting.
Very simple.0 -
Ah, so you mean like in MInority Report???Fenster said:
People who drive too fast choose to potentially harm people other than themselves.0 -
Of course it is, politics is a contact sport, do you think the likes of Mandelson would decline the chance of paying £3 to vote for an unelectable rightwinger in the Tory leadership contest if they got the chance, of course not!! If some Labour members think no Tories are going to take up the chance to pick a beatable Labour leader they are being desperately naiveMonty said:
So, because the system is relatively easy to subvert it's fine to vote to try and disrupt it for your own ends?HYUFD said:
Well you will have a lot of reporting to do, I know many longstanding Tory members voting in this Labour leadership election. I will be voting (albeit probably for Burnham first, not Corbyn) and over half the pbTories will be voting too as well as OGH a LD activist. It was Labour who introduced the stupid £3 rule so there is no point getting all Gestapo about it now! Albeit I agree there is nothing to stop Labour supporters voting in Tory open primaries eitherMonty said:
You won't be voting.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Straw and Hoon as well please.MarqueeMark said:
Hell yeah, I'd vote for him!Scott_P said:@JamesClayton5: Corbyn tells #newsnight's @maitlis that Blair could be tried for war crimes. This could get messy...
(Could he add in Al "Sexed Up Dossier" Campbell too please? Pretty please?)
My membership card arrived today.
With this news Jezza could be rocketing to my first choice.
Jez we can!
I've reported your name to the Labour Party in my role as Hertsmere Membership Secretary.
Tories should NOT be voting in Labour elections. I feel very strongly about this.
You should be ashamed of yourself. It's a perversion of democracy.
Monty
Nice. Again, I find it appalling that people think that's ok.0 -
Sunil_Prasannan said:
That's NOT his real nameMTimT said:
Hope he didn't register with the Labour Party as Hertsmere Pubgoer, otherwise he might have lost his 3 quid.Sean_F said:
Maybe he's been converted to Labour by Jeremy Corbyn.Monty said:
He's anti Labour. He won't be voting. It's done.Sean_F said:
Who says he's a Tory?Monty said:
You won't be voting.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Straw and Hoon as well please.MarqueeMark said:
Hell yeah, I'd vote for him!Scott_P said:@JamesClayton5: Corbyn tells #newsnight's @maitlis that Blair could be tried for war crimes. This could get messy...
(Could he add in Al "Sexed Up Dossier" Campbell too please? Pretty please?)
My membership card arrived today.
With this news Jezza could be rocketing to my first choice.
Jez we can!
I've reported your name to the Labour Party in my role as Hertsmere Membership Secretary.
Tories should NOT be voting in Labour elections. I feel very strongly about this.
You should be ashamed of yourself. It's a perversion of democracy.
Monty
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"Starting to enjoy this Labour Leadership contest, they have no idea how much damage they are doing to their party"Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
I didn't vote Tory in May and if you can be bothered to look at threads passim you will see that I slagged off the Tory candidate before hand.Monty said:
You won't be voting.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Straw and Hoon as well please.MarqueeMark said:
Hell yeah, I'd vote for him!Scott_P said:@JamesClayton5: Corbyn tells #newsnight's @maitlis that Blair could be tried for war crimes. This could get messy...
(Could he add in Al "Sexed Up Dossier" Campbell too please? Pretty please?)
My membership card arrived today.
With this news Jezza could be rocketing to my first choice.
Jez we can!
I've reported your name to the Labour Party in my role as Hertsmere Membership Secretary.
Tories should NOT be voting in Labour elections. I feel very strongly about this.
You should be ashamed of yourself. It's a perversion of democracy.
Monty
I like politicians that speak their mind and not ones that have come out of the focussed group sausage factory.
IIRC OGH has also joined Labour (happy to be corrected if I'm wrong), are you going to report him as well?
Methinks you're all piss and wind about this.
You replied: Great isn't it: *gets popcorn in*
You are busted mate.0 -
I know his real name. A short Internet search revealed it. I won't disclose it.MTimT said:Sunil_Prasannan said:
That's NOT his real nameMTimT said:
Hope he didn't register with the Labour Party as Hertsmere Pubgoer, otherwise he might have lost his 3 quid.Sean_F said:
Maybe he's been converted to Labour by Jeremy Corbyn.Monty said:
He's anti Labour. He won't be voting. It's done.Sean_F said:
Who says he's a Tory?Monty said:
You won't be voting.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Straw and Hoon as well please.MarqueeMark said:
Hell yeah, I'd vote for him!Scott_P said:@JamesClayton5: Corbyn tells #newsnight's @maitlis that Blair could be tried for war crimes. This could get messy...
(Could he add in Al "Sexed Up Dossier" Campbell too please? Pretty please?)
My membership card arrived today.
With this news Jezza could be rocketing to my first choice.
Jez we can!
I've reported your name to the Labour Party in my role as Hertsmere Membership Secretary.
Tories should NOT be voting in Labour elections. I feel very strongly about this.
You should be ashamed of yourself. It's a perversion of democracy.
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I'm assuming Burnham's private polling has him finishing third or lower, hence the rail renationalisation policy announced tonight0
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£13,60 well spentSunil_Prasannan said:
I bought the new edition of The Rail Atlas of Great Britain and Ireland todayFrancisUrquhart said:Burnham in the Mirror tomorrow...."I'll renationalise the railways"....
And where the money required for this would come from....magic money tree?
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Yeah!Sunil_Prasannan said:
Ah, so you mean like in MInority Report???Fenster said:
People who drive too fast choose to potentially harm people other than themselves.
To be honest, since having kids I've become much more concerned about speeding drivers. I went on a speed awareness course and they showed that infamous video of a road by a school (30mph limit) and surveyed 1000 cars. A handful drove at over 70mph. About 30% were within the legal limit.
It was a bit scary.
It looked like a busy, tight street where 25mph was a sensible speed.
Made me think a bit.
I only drive during school hours now after three litres of Frosty Jacks. Not six.
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No, he announced it a month ago and I reported it on this siteTheScreamingEagles said:I'm assuming Burnham's private polling has him finishing third or lower, hence the rail renationalisation policy announced tonight
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It's a race to the bottom in other words. I wouldn't do so, so reserve the right to look down on those that would. However you dress it up it's dishonourable.HYUFD said:
Of course it is, politics is a contact sport, do you think the likes of Mandelson would decline the chance of paying £3 to vote for an unelectable rightwinger in the Tory leadership contest if they got the chance, of course not!! If some Labour members think no Tories are going to take up the chance to pick a beatable Labour leader they are being desperately naiveMonty said:
So, because the system is relatively easy to subvert it's fine to vote to try and disrupt it for your own ends?HYUFD said:
Well you will have a lot of reporting to do, I know many longstanding Tory members voting in this Labour leadership election. I will be voting (albeit probably for Burnham first, not Corbyn) and over half the pbTories will be voting too as well as OGH a LD activist. It was Labour who introduced the stupid £3 rule so there is no point getting all Gestapo about it now! Albeit I agree there is nothing to stop Labour supporters voting in Tory open primaries eitherMonty said:
You won't be voting.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Straw and Hoon as well please.MarqueeMark said:
Hell yeah, I'd vote for him!Scott_P said:@JamesClayton5: Corbyn tells #newsnight's @maitlis that Blair could be tried for war crimes. This could get messy...
(Could he add in Al "Sexed Up Dossier" Campbell too please? Pretty please?)
My membership card arrived today.
With this news Jezza could be rocketing to my first choice.
Jez we can!
I've reported your name to the Labour Party in my role as Hertsmere Membership Secretary.
Tories should NOT be voting in Labour elections. I feel very strongly about this.
You should be ashamed of yourself. It's a perversion of democracy.
Monty
Nice. Again, I find it appalling that people think that's ok.0 -
Wasn't going to register but since Hertsmere_Pubgoer might lose his vote I've just wasted 3 quid to buy some extended entertainment for the next few months.0
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Chortle
Polling undertaken for an independent review being led by Jon Cruddas, the Labour MP and former coordinator of the party’s 2015 manifesto, shows Britain’s voters do not back an anti-austerity message but instead believe the country must live within its means and make cutting the deficit its top priority.
The findings, given to the Guardian, are likely to make difficult reading for those that say Labour’s path to electoral recovery lies in the party adopting a stronger anti-austerity stance than in the run-up to this year’s election.....
.....The polling shows that 56% of those surveyed agree, and just 16% disagree, with the statement: “We must live within our means, so cutting the deficit is the top priority.”
Of those surveyed who voted for the Conservatives at the 2015 election, 84% agreed with the statement and virtually none disagreed. Amongst Labour voters 32% agreed while 34% disagreed. Ukip and Liberal Democrat voters agreed in proportions of 63% and 58% respectively.
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I'm nice normally. But I don't like it when people fuck with elections. On any side.tyson said:Monty- if there's a hosepipe ban, I wouldn't like to be your neighbour when I do a spot of late night watering.
Monty said:
To vote, you have to agree to the aims and values of the Labour Party.Danny565 said:I still don't understand the problem with having non-Labour supporters voting in the leadership election. The whole point of the system (which, again, was pushed for primarily by Blairites) was precisely to "broaden the debate out beyond the party".
Sure, you'll get a few idiots who purposely vote for who they think would be an election-loser. But what's the problem with people like Mike Smithson having a vote (who has said he wants a strong opposition for the good of the country so will be voting for who he thinks is best)?
If you don't support the party and it aims and you join then it's under false pretences so you should be barred from voting.
Very simple.0 -
I am a former Tory member and I will be voting, SeanT is a Tory and he will be voting, MPSE is no socialist and he will be voting, OGH is a LD and he will be voting, I know of numerous other Tory members who will be voting. Your party introduced the £3 rule to 'broaden' the participation in your leadership election, if you don't like some of those it has 'broadened' out to then tough!!Monty said:
"Starting to enjoy this Labour Leadership contest, they have no idea how much damage they are doing to their party"Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
I didn't vote Tory in May and if you can be bothered to look at threads passim you will see that I slagged off the Tory candidate before hand.Monty said:
You won't be voting.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Straw and Hoon as well please.MarqueeMark said:
Hell yeah, I'd vote for him!Scott_P said:@JamesClayton5: Corbyn tells #newsnight's @maitlis that Blair could be tried for war crimes. This could get messy...
(Could he add in Al "Sexed Up Dossier" Campbell too please? Pretty please?)
My membership card arrived today.
With this news Jezza could be rocketing to my first choice.
Jez we can!
I've reported your name to the Labour Party in my role as Hertsmere Membership Secretary.
Tories should NOT be voting in Labour elections. I feel very strongly about this.
You should be ashamed of yourself. It's a perversion of democracy.
Monty
I like politicians that speak their mind and not ones that have come out of the focussed group sausage factory.
IIRC OGH has also joined Labour (happy to be corrected if I'm wrong), are you going to report him as well?
Methinks you're all piss and wind about this.
You replied: Great isn't it: *gets popcorn in*
You are busted mate.
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Lower than 3rd?TheScreamingEagles said:I'm assuming Burnham's private polling has him finishing third or lower, hence the rail renationalisation policy announced tonight
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I like to cruise at 125 mph whenever I travel between London and Coventry/BirminghamFenster said:
Yeah!Sunil_Prasannan said:
Ah, so you mean like in MInority Report???Fenster said:
People who drive too fast choose to potentially harm people other than themselves.
To be honest, since having kids I've become much more concerned about speeding drivers. I went on a speed awareness course and they showed that infamous video of a road by a school (30mph limit) and surveyed 1000 cars. A handful drove at over 70mph. About 30% were within the legal limit.
It was a bit scary.
It looked like a busy, tight street where 25mph was a sensible speed.
Made me think a bit.
I only drive during school hours now after three litres of Frosty Jacks. Not six.
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Just watched a very good history documentary on ch 4,hunt for the arctic ghost ships,john franklins expedition to find the north west passage.
We can now report HMS Erebus as been found ;-)0 -
Of course it is! It's Labour's duty to write their rules as they see fit. It's upto the public to join whatever party they want. If Labour don't want to write sensible rules, that's their choice not ours.Monty said:
So, because the system is relatively easy to subvert it's fine to vote to try and disrupt it for your own ends?HYUFD said:
Well you will have a lot of reporting to do, I know many longstanding Tory members voting in this Labour leadership election. I will be voting (albeit probably for Burnham first, not Corbyn) and over half the pbTories will be voting too as well as OGH a LD activist. It was Labour who introduced the stupid £3 rule so there is no point getting all Gestapo about it now! Albeit I agree there is nothing to stop Labour supporters voting in Tory open primaries eitherMonty said:
You won't be voting.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Straw and Hoon as well please.MarqueeMark said:
Hell yeah, I'd vote for him!Scott_P said:@JamesClayton5: Corbyn tells #newsnight's @maitlis that Blair could be tried for war crimes. This could get messy...
(Could he add in Al "Sexed Up Dossier" Campbell too please? Pretty please?)
My membership card arrived today.
With this news Jezza could be rocketing to my first choice.
Jez we can!
I've reported your name to the Labour Party in my role as Hertsmere Membership Secretary.
Tories should NOT be voting in Labour elections. I feel very strongly about this.
You should be ashamed of yourself. It's a perversion of democracy.
Monty
Nice. Again, I find it appalling that people think that's ok.
From an episode of the West Wing in 2000, "The Portland Trip"Congressman Skinner: You know I never understood why you gun control people don't all join the NRA. They've got two million members. You bring three million to the next meeting, call a vote. All those in favor of tossing guns... bam! Move on.
This is like an inverse example of that.
Josh Lyman: It's a heck of a strategy, Matt. I'll bring that up at a meeting.0 -
It's a bit silly for Labour to effectively run an open primary and then complain when non-Labour supporters opt to take part.0
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Well sure, but it's incumbent upon the members of a club to check the credentials of those who wish to join the club, and as you say expel those that don't meet the requirements.Monty said:
To vote, you have to agree to the aims and values of the Labour Party.Danny565 said:I still don't understand the problem with having non-Labour supporters voting in the leadership election. The whole point of the system (which, again, was pushed for primarily by Blairites) was precisely to "broaden the debate out beyond the party".
Sure, you'll get a few idiots who purposely vote for who they think would be an election-loser. But what's the problem with people like Mike Smithson having a vote (who has said he wants a strong opposition for the good of the country so will be voting for who he thinks is best)?
If you don't support the party and it aims and you join then it's under false pretences so you should be barred from voting.
Unless actual laws are being broken, I cannot summon up any major outrage even if I don't intend to partake in the opportunity to vote in the Labour leadership election myself; it's not subverting democracy (and Tory entryists will surely be low in number I'd have thought), it's messing with the rules of a private club, essentially - it's not something to applaud people for, but it's not morally reprehensible either, if Labour or any other party want to exercise strict control over who can vote in their internal processes they can have a tighter system, plow resources into sifting out obvious troublemakers, or accept some messing around as the price for reaching out to and engaging with the wider electorate.0 -
Well some of those will live with partners, parents etc but it seems a worthwhile aimviewcode said:
From memory, the Postcode Address File has about 25million addresses in England and Wales. After you've stripped out the prisons, hospitals, B&B's, hostels, battered womens' shelters, leisure homes, etc it comes to about 23 million places that an individual can sleep in with a front door you can lock.HYUFD said:Andy Burnham unveils some key policies, including...a guaranteed home to rent or own...http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/its-all-about-the-big-vision-as-andy-burnham-steps-up-the-campaign-to-lead-labour-10437312.html
There are ~56 million people in England and Wales, of which about 46 million are adults. If we assume that ~40% of those adults are single, then there are about 20 million singletons and about 13 million couples.
So that's 33 million singles/couples chasing 23 million accommodation units.
So for Andy to make good his promise, he's going to have to build or otherwise create 10 million accomodation units.
I am obviously oversimplifying here, but he may just possibly have bitten off more than he can chew...
(NB For historical reasons, Scotland and Northern Ireland don't have the same housing problems as E&W. do)0 -
Liz is luring her opponents into a fall sense of security. Like Caesar at Dyrrhachium which led to his stunning victory at Pharsalusbigjohnowls said:
Lower than 3rd?TheScreamingEagles said:I'm assuming Burnham's private polling has him finishing third or lower, hence the rail renationalisation policy announced tonight
My MP is proud organizer of that campaign0 -
DO NOT BELIEVE POLLS> HOW WERE THE QUESTIONS ASKED.. However in this instance I doubt they were leadingTheScreamingEagles said:Chortle
Polling undertaken for an independent review being led by Jon Cruddas, the Labour MP and former coordinator of the party’s 2015 manifesto, shows Britain’s voters do not back an anti-austerity message but instead believe the country must live within its means and make cutting the deficit its top priority.
The findings, given to the Guardian, are likely to make difficult reading for those that say Labour’s path to electoral recovery lies in the party adopting a stronger anti-austerity stance than in the run-up to this year’s election.....
.....The polling shows that 56% of those surveyed agree, and just 16% disagree, with the statement: “We must live within our means, so cutting the deficit is the top priority.”
Of those surveyed who voted for the Conservatives at the 2015 election, 84% agreed with the statement and virtually none disagreed. Amongst Labour voters 32% agreed while 34% disagreed. Ukip and Liberal Democrat voters agreed in proportions of 63% and 58% respectively.
http://bit.ly/1E6Drvn
tafn
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Agree, but you can't blame me for kicking him out.kle4 said:
Well sure, but it's incumbent upon the members of a club to check the credentials of those who wish to join the club, and as you say expel those that don't meet the requirements.Monty said:
To vote, you have to agree to the aims and values of the Labour Party.Danny565 said:I still don't understand the problem with having non-Labour supporters voting in the leadership election. The whole point of the system (which, again, was pushed for primarily by Blairites) was precisely to "broaden the debate out beyond the party".
Sure, you'll get a few idiots who purposely vote for who they think would be an election-loser. But what's the problem with people like Mike Smithson having a vote (who has said he wants a strong opposition for the good of the country so will be voting for who he thinks is best)?
If you don't support the party and it aims and you join then it's under false pretences so you should be barred from voting.
Unless actual laws are being broken, I cannot summon up any major outrage even if I don't intend to partake in the opportunity to vote in the Labour leadership election myself; it's not subverting democracy (and Tory entryists will surely be low in number I'd have thought), it's messing with the rules of a private club, essentially - it's not something to applaud people for, but it's not morally reprehensible either, if Labour or any other party want to exercise strict control over who can vote in their internal processes they can have a tighter system, plow resources into sifting out obvious troublemakers, or accept some messing around as the price for reaching out to and engaging with the wider electorate.
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I travelled on a train* from Birmingham last week, named "John Franklin"Tykejohnno said:Just watched a very good history documentary on ch 4,hunt for the arctic ghost ships,john franklins expedition to find the north west passage.
We can now report HMS Erebus as been found ;-)
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I doubt they'll do it this way again. Still out of order to try and disrupt a democratic process for your own ends though.AndyJS said:It's a bit silly for Labour to effectively run an open primary and then complain when non-Labour supporters opt to take part.
Just because it is easy to try and break something, that doesn't make it ok.0 -
Ooh, you can use google.Monty said:
I know his real name. A short Internet search revealed it. I won't disclose it.MTimT said:Sunil_Prasannan said:
That's NOT his real nameMTimT said:
Hope he didn't register with the Labour Party as Hertsmere Pubgoer, otherwise he might have lost his 3 quid.Sean_F said:
Maybe he's been converted to Labour by Jeremy Corbyn.Monty said:
He's anti Labour. He won't be voting. It's done.Sean_F said:
Who says he's a Tory?Monty said:
You won't be voting.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Straw and Hoon as well please.MarqueeMark said:
Hell yeah, I'd vote for him!Scott_P said:@JamesClayton5: Corbyn tells #newsnight's @maitlis that Blair could be tried for war crimes. This could get messy...
(Could he add in Al "Sexed Up Dossier" Campbell too please? Pretty please?)
My membership card arrived today.
With this news Jezza could be rocketing to my first choice.
Jez we can!
I've reported your name to the Labour Party in my role as Hertsmere Membership Secretary.
Tories should NOT be voting in Labour elections. I feel very strongly about this.
You should be ashamed of yourself. It's a perversion of democracy.
Monty
You should have waited until you take the direct debit before making that post.
Still time to cancel it and sign up in a mate's name.
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I once attempted to take one of those speed tests at Bicester. On the day of the test I was late- tried to get to the course, but was 2 minutes late when I arrived. I was caught speeding again en route- I did drive like a Jez Corbyn to get there mind- and I was given a further 3 points, and fined again, as well as paying for the course I wasn't allowed to attend because I was 2 minutes late.Sunil_Prasannan said:
I like to cruise at 125 mph whenever I travel between London and Coventry/BirminghamFenster said:
Yeah!Sunil_Prasannan said:
Ah, so you mean like in MInority Report???Fenster said:
People who drive too fast choose to potentially harm people other than themselves.
To be honest, since having kids I've become much more concerned about speeding drivers. I went on a speed awareness course and they showed that infamous video of a road by a school (30mph limit) and surveyed 1000 cars. A handful drove at over 70mph. About 30% were within the legal limit.
It was a bit scary.
It looked like a busy, tight street where 25mph was a sensible speed.
Made me think a bit.
I only drive during school hours now after three litres of Frosty Jacks. Not six.0 -
Well that's the nub of the matter, isn't it - it's not really an open primary, but it was so open as to almost be one. They cannot really be getting too mad (some level is appropriate, being messed with isn't fun) with people obeying the letter rather than the spirit of the rules though (in this case, wishing to be a member or affiliate for positive reasons), as the system was clearly designed to filter out candidates without sufficient parliamentary support from making it on to the ballot, and they ignored that to get Corbyn onto it, as even if the 35MP limit was put in place for a reason, clearly nothing said the nominations to get to that limit had to be genuine measures of support, even if that was presumably the point.AndyJS said:It's a bit silly for Labour to effectively run an open primary and then complain when non-Labour supporters opt to take part.
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Whatever, you sad man.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Ooh, you can use google.Monty said:
I know his real name. A short Internet search revealed it. I won't disclose it.MTimT said:Sunil_Prasannan said:
That's NOT his real nameMTimT said:
Hope he didn't register with the Labour Party as Hertsmere Pubgoer, otherwise he might have lost his 3 quid.Sean_F said:
Maybe he's been converted to Labour by Jeremy Corbyn.Monty said:
He's anti Labour. He won't be voting. It's done.Sean_F said:
Who says he's a Tory?Monty said:
You won't be voting.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Straw and Hoon as well please.MarqueeMark said:
Hell yeah, I'd vote for him!Scott_P said:@JamesClayton5: Corbyn tells #newsnight's @maitlis that Blair could be tried for war crimes. This could get messy...
(Could he add in Al "Sexed Up Dossier" Campbell too please? Pretty please?)
My membership card arrived today.
With this news Jezza could be rocketing to my first choice.
Jez we can!
I've reported your name to the Labour Party in my role as Hertsmere Membership Secretary.
Tories should NOT be voting in Labour elections. I feel very strongly about this.
You should be ashamed of yourself. It's a perversion of democracy.
Monty
You should have waited until you take the direct debit before making that post.
Still time to cancel it and sign up in a mate's name.
You "win".
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Chesterfield Labour Party totally fooked.TheScreamingEagles said:
Liz is luring her opponents into a fall sense of security. Like Caesar at Dyrrhachium which led to his stunning victory at Pharsalusbigjohnowls said:
Lower than 3rd?TheScreamingEagles said:I'm assuming Burnham's private polling has him finishing third or lower, hence the rail renationalisation policy announced tonight
My MP is proud organizer of that campaign
Half in the how do we deselect Perkins camp
Quarter in the we hate Kendall but leave Toby alone camp
20% took bat home
5% support Kendall.
Going to be difficult reconciling
If I were a Tory I wold be "pissin me sen"0 -
Not at all, well within your rights; I do however feel the 'subverting democracy' label is unfair, as while an election is technically taking place, I don't know that term is applicable with what is merely the internal process of a private club.Monty said:
Agree, but you can't blame me for kicking him out.kle4 said:
Well sure, but it's incumbent upon the members of a club to check the credentials of those who wish to join the club, and as you say expel those that don't meet the requirements.Monty said:
To vote, you have to agree to the aims and values of the Labour Party.Danny565 said:I still don't understand the problem with having non-Labour supporters voting in the leadership election. The whole point of the system (which, again, was pushed for primarily by Blairites) was precisely to "broaden the debate out beyond the party".
Sure, you'll get a few idiots who purposely vote for who they think would be an election-loser. But what's the problem with people like Mike Smithson having a vote (who has said he wants a strong opposition for the good of the country so will be voting for who he thinks is best)?
If you don't support the party and it aims and you join then it's under false pretences so you should be barred from voting.
Unless actual laws are being broken, I cannot summon up any major outrage even if I don't intend to partake in the opportunity to vote in the Labour leadership election myself; it's not subverting democracy (and Tory entryists will surely be low in number I'd have thought), it's messing with the rules of a private club, essentially - it's not something to applaud people for, but it's not morally reprehensible either, if Labour or any other party want to exercise strict control over who can vote in their internal processes they can have a tighter system, plow resources into sifting out obvious troublemakers, or accept some messing around as the price for reaching out to and engaging with the wider electorate.0 -
Jezza's beard is getting a bit (more) scruffy.0
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Or Ferd Berfel at Wilkes Barre which lead to his stunning victory at Pavement Narrows?TheScreamingEagles said:
Liz is luring her opponents into a fall sense of security. Like Caesar at Dyrrhachium which led to his stunning victory at Pharsalusbigjohnowls said:
Lower than 3rd?TheScreamingEagles said:I'm assuming Burnham's private polling has him finishing third or lower, hence the rail renationalisation policy announced tonight
My MP is proud organizer of that campaign0 -
You're the one that's so rattled about it that you started googling me because you're so concerned about ONE poxy vote.Monty said:
Whatever, you sad man.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Ooh, you can use google.Monty said:
I know his real name. A short Internet search revealed it. I won't disclose it.MTimT said:Sunil_Prasannan said:
That's NOT his real nameMTimT said:
Hope he didn't register with the Labour Party as Hertsmere Pubgoer, otherwise he might have lost his 3 quid.Sean_F said:
Maybe he's been converted to Labour by Jeremy Corbyn.Monty said:
He's anti Labour. He won't be voting. It's done.Sean_F said:
Who says he's a Tory?Monty said:
You won't be voting.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Straw and Hoon as well please.MarqueeMark said:
Hell yeah, I'd vote for him!Scott_P said:@JamesClayton5: Corbyn tells #newsnight's @maitlis that Blair could be tried for war crimes. This could get messy...
(Could he add in Al "Sexed Up Dossier" Campbell too please? Pretty please?)
My membership card arrived today.
With this news Jezza could be rocketing to my first choice.
Jez we can!
I've reported your name to the Labour Party in my role as Hertsmere Membership Secretary.
Tories should NOT be voting in Labour elections. I feel very strongly about this.
You should be ashamed of yourself. It's a perversion of democracy.
Monty
You should have waited until you take the direct debit before making that post.
Still time to cancel it and sign up in a mate's name.
You "win".
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"We had to destroy theMonty said:
I doubt they'll do it this way again. Still out of order to try and disrupt a democratic process for your own ends though.AndyJS said:It's a bit silly for Labour to effectively run an open primary and then complain when non-Labour supporters opt to take part.
Just because it is easy to try and break something, that doesn't make it ok.villageLabour Party to save it!"0 -
Amusing though that most of those new Labour members and supporters who have signed up to take part in this process are either unreconstructed Trotskyites or diehard Thatcherites, the average voter has got better things to spend £3 on than the Labour leadership contest!!Monty said:
I doubt they'll do it this way again. Still out of order to try and disrupt a democratic process for your own ends though.AndyJS said:It's a bit silly for Labour to effectively run an open primary and then complain when non-Labour supporters opt to take part.
Just because it is easy to try and break something, that doesn't make it ok.0 -
When you run an open primary, there is a trade-off.
You may have some spoilers, but you get the benefit of greater engagement from neutrals or sympathisers. The benefits and downsides are well-known. I like open primaries because the benefits outweigh the risks.
Labour want to run an open primary, but only want the advantages and not the possible downsides.
IMO, Monty would be better advised to put forward positive arguments for his favoured candidates than behaving like a secret policeman.
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If Hertsmere wants to take part in the Labour Leadership vote, then he has every right to!0
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Pulpstar will not be able to bet on the colour of Jezzas tie thats a factDanny565 said:Jezza's beard is getting a bit (more) scruffy.
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Hubris old bean.bigjohnowls said:
Chesterfield Labour Party totally fooked.TheScreamingEagles said:
Liz is luring her opponents into a fall sense of security. Like Caesar at Dyrrhachium which led to his stunning victory at Pharsalusbigjohnowls said:
Lower than 3rd?TheScreamingEagles said:I'm assuming Burnham's private polling has him finishing third or lower, hence the rail renationalisation policy announced tonight
My MP is proud organizer of that campaign
Half in the how do we deselect Perkins camp
Quarter in the we hate Kendall but leave Toby alone camp
20% took bat home
5% support Kendall.
Going to be difficult reconciling
If I were a Tory I wold be "pissin me sen"
I'm fully expecting the EU referendum to tear the Tory party apart. We depose Dave and elect Liam Fox and then you can piss yourself at us.0 -
Lovely day today driving over the Bealach na Ba into Applecross. What an amazing road, the best in the whole of Scotland and likely the UK.
Finally the allegations around Ted Heath have leaked into the mainstream. I'm surprised at the muted reaction. You could have read about them years ago in the alternative media. Why anyone follows the msm who savagely cut any investigative journalism I don't know! The future is clearly with the likes of exaro who are doing a wonderful job in investigating all the misdemeanors committed by the establishment. And no surprise is the photos circulating around mr so vile and Mr Heath. Now it's time to cross the rubicon and expose those members of the establishment who are alive and have been involved in these vile crimes. Any casual reading of the alternative media and you can go out and find names mentioned. ......0 -
@are you Dirty Harry?Monty said:
I'm nice normally. But I don't like it when people fuck with elections. On any side.tyson said:Monty- if there's a hosepipe ban, I wouldn't like to be your neighbour when I do a spot of late night watering.
Monty said:
To vote, you have to agree to the aims and values of the Labour Party.Danny565 said:I still don't understand the problem with having non-Labour supporters voting in the leadership election. The whole point of the system (which, again, was pushed for primarily by Blairites) was precisely to "broaden the debate out beyond the party".
Sure, you'll get a few idiots who purposely vote for who they think would be an election-loser. But what's the problem with people like Mike Smithson having a vote (who has said he wants a strong opposition for the good of the country so will be voting for who he thinks is best)?
If you don't support the party and it aims and you join then it's under false pretences so you should be barred from voting.
Very simple.0 -
I'd take issue with that. If you actively oppose the aims and principles of an organisation (which he does based on his Twitter feed) then you have no business joining it just to harm it. There may be edge cases where the organisation is so bad that you feel it is morally justifiable, but mainstream UK political parties don't qualify.kle4 said:
Not at all, well within your rights; I do however feel the 'subverting democracy' label is unfair, as while an election is technically taking place, I don't know that term is applicable with what is merely the internal process of a private club.Monty said:
Agree, but you can't blame me for kicking him out.kle4 said:
Well sure, but it's incumbent upon the members of a club to check the credentials of those who wish to join the club, and as you say expel those that don't meet the requirements.Monty said:
To vote, you have to agree to the aims and values of the Labour Party.Danny565 said:I still don't understand the problem with having non-Labour supporters voting in the leadership election. The whole point of the system (which, again, was pushed for primarily by Blairites) was precisely to "broaden the debate out beyond the party".
Sure, you'll get a few idiots who purposely vote for who they think would be an election-loser. But what's the problem with people like Mike Smithson having a vote (who has said he wants a strong opposition for the good of the country so will be voting for who he thinks is best)?
If you don't support the party and it aims and you join then it's under false pretences so you should be barred from voting.
Unless actual laws are being broken, I cannot summon up any major outrage even if I don't intend to partake in the opportunity to vote in the Labour leadership election myself; it's not subverting democracy (and Tory entryists will surely be low in number I'd have thought), it's messing with the rules of a private club, essentially - it's not something to applaud people for, but it's not morally reprehensible either, if Labour or any other party want to exercise strict control over who can vote in their internal processes they can have a tighter system, plow resources into sifting out obvious troublemakers, or accept some messing around as the price for reaching out to and engaging with the wider electorate.
It's childish, petty, dishonest and democratically bankrupt.
I felt good sending off the email to the party.
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A concise comment on TV on Hillary's problems -
"She has two problems:emails and females - the latter are disappearing fast while the former refuses to do so."0 -
So undemocratic to vote in an election.Monty said:
I doubt they'll do it this way again. Still out of order to try and disrupt a democratic process for your own ends though.AndyJS said:It's a bit silly for Labour to effectively run an open primary and then complain when non-Labour supporters opt to take part.
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Jez is more of a Professional Politician than we give him credit for. He quite skilfully dodged giving a straight answer on whether he wanted Blair to be tried for war crimes.0
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Quite right Sunil.Sunil_Prasannan said:If Hertsmere wants to take part in the Labour Leadership vote, then he has every right to!
They didn't complain when I took part in 2010 and voted for Ed M.
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Corbyn, in response to Maitlis's "Should Blair be tried for war crimes?"
"I want to see all those who committed war crimes tried for it..."0 -
If I had a vote in the Labour leadership campaign, I'd have to vote for Cooper, for the most sensible of reasons - her choice of biscuit. Though I have to say Nick Clegg's answer was spot on with my own, which is presumably why I gave him so much benefit of the doubt.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11775359/How-every-politician-has-answered-Mumsnets-favourite-biscuit-question-since-2009.html0 -
"Ladesfield Care Home was shut down in 2011 by Kent Council, which reportedly claimed it could not afford the £450,000 cost of restoration. But up to 40 migrants aged between 16 and 18 are now set to move into the home after arriving in nearby Dover. Nearly 500 furious residents have signed a petition against the refit, which was confirmed by council bosses last month. Peter Oakford of Kent Council defended the move, saying the council had a "duty of care" towards under-18s who arrive in Kent seeking asylum. Last week it was revealed that the council cares for over 600 "unaccompanied minors" – up from about 240 last year – and faces a shortfall of £5.5million in care costs"
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/595881/Ladesfield-Care-Home-migrant-crisis-Kent-Council-immigrants-asylum-Dover-Calais0 -
Not under the rules he doesn't.Sunil_Prasannan said:If Hertsmere wants to take part in the Labour Leadership vote, then he has every right to!
He doesn't support the aims of the party.
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Might explain why he's about to slip into third place with Betfair.RodCrosby said:Corbyn, in response to Maitlis's "Should Blair be tried for war crimes?"
"I want to see all those who committed war crimes tried for it..."
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Grow up.philiph said:
So undemocratic to vote in an election.Monty said:
I doubt they'll do it this way again. Still out of order to try and disrupt a democratic process for your own ends though.AndyJS said:It's a bit silly for Labour to effectively run an open primary and then complain when non-Labour supporters opt to take part.
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I think you're probably some troll, rather than genuinely anything to do with Hertsmere CLP.Monty said:
Not under the rules he doesn't.Sunil_Prasannan said:If Hertsmere wants to take part in the Labour Leadership vote, then he has every right to!
He doesn't support the aims of the party.0 -
What could possibly go wrong:AndyJS said:"Ladesfield Care Home was shut down in 2011 by Kent Council, which reportedly claimed it could not afford the £450,000 cost of restoration. But up to 40 migrants aged between 16 and 18 are now set to move into the home after arriving in nearby Dover. Nearly 500 furious residents have signed a petition against the refit, which was confirmed by council bosses last month. Peter Oakford of Kent Council defended the move, saying the council had a "duty of care" towards under-18s who arrive in Kent seeking asylum. Last week it was revealed that the council cares for over 600 "unaccompanied minors" – up from about 240 last year – and faces a shortfall of £5.5million in care costs"
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/595881/Ladesfield-Care-Home-migrant-crisis-Kent-Council-immigrants-asylum-Dover-Calais
"It will be 100ft from a nursery, primary school and Age UK centre and we know nothing about the people who'll be in there."0 -
I know I'm not being particularly PC here, but I don't think people (aside from the victims obviously) are particularly interested in crimes committed forty years or more ago by dead people who we all knew were a bit weird.hunchman said:
Lovely day today driving over the Bealach na Ba into Applecross. What an amazing road, the best in the whole of Scotland and likely the UK.
Finally the allegations around Ted Heath have leaked into the mainstream. I'm surprised at the muted reaction. You could have read about them years ago in the alternative media. Why anyone follows the msm who savagely cut any investigative journalism I don't know! The future is clearly with the likes of exaro who are doing a wonderful job in investigating all the misdemeanors committed by the establishment. And no surprise is the photos circulating around mr so vile and Mr Heath. Now it's time to cross the rubicon and expose those members of the establishment who are alive and have been involved in these vile crimes. Any casual reading of the alternative media and you can go out and find names mentioned. ......0 -
She still leads with females, and she still remains the most likely candidate to be the first woman presidentTim_B said:A concise comment on TV on Hillary's problems -
"She has two problems:emails and females - the latter are disappearing fast while the former refuses to do so."0 -
I was a bit concerned having fairly unelectable (For the GE) Jezza in charge of Labour could be bad for democracy - but those concerns are now gone as he's my biggest winner.bigjohnowls said:
Pulpstar will not be able to bet on the colour of Jezzas tie thats a factDanny565 said:Jezza's beard is getting a bit (more) scruffy.
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I hate salt & vinegar crispskle4 said:If I had a vote in the Labour leadership campaign, I'd have to vote for Cooper, for the most sensible of reasons - her choice of biscuit. Though I have to say Nick Clegg's answer was spot on with my own, which is presumably why I gave him so much benefit of the doubt.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11775359/How-every-politician-has-answered-Mumsnets-favourite-biscuit-question-since-2009.html 0 -
No. Hertsmere_pubgoer is a long time critic and adversary of the Labour Party. You only have to read his posts on here and on Twitter to see he is being dishonest and deliberately disruptive.YBarddCwsc said:When you run an open primary, there is a trade-off.
You may have some spoilers, but you get the benefit of greater engagement from neutrals or sympathisers. The benefits and downsides are well-known. I like open primaries because the benefits outweigh the risks.
Labour want to run an open primary, but only want the advantages and not the possible downsides.
IMO, Monty would be better advised to put forward positive arguments for his favoured candidates than behaving like a secret policeman.
He hasn't tried to say different either once found out.
That's why I reported him.0 -
But Monty, I do support the aims.
Jezza has convinced me as a conviction politician.
I think that you're a bit sore that he may win and you don't like it.
I even ticked the box that says Yes i support the aims of the Labour Party.
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Childish, petty and dishonest, I'll grant you. But I cannot on the last. The party presumably don't have to allow members or the public any vote at all on their leadership, they can be as internally dictatorial or just plain bananas as they want, and they've currently chosen a method open to some (probably small) level of manipulation; democracy as a concept is not hurt because a club as silly rules. You obviously feel strongly that people should not join an organisation just to harm it, and that's a fine, principled position...but there is no wider harm if the rules do permit it, just embarrassment for that club.Monty said:
I'd take issue with that. If you actively oppose the aims and principles of an organisation (which he does based on his Twitter feed) then you have no business joining it just to harm it. There may be edge cases where the organisation is so bad that you feel it is morally justifiable, but mainstream UK political parties don't qualify.kle4 said:
Not at all, well within your rights; I do however feel the 'subverting democracy' label is unfair, as while an election is technically taking place, I don't know that term is applicable with what is merely the internal process of a private club.Monty said:
Agree, but you can't blame me for kicking him out.kle4 said:
Weate.Monty said:
To vote, you have to agree to the aims and values of the Labour Party.Danny565 said:I still don't understand the problem with having non-Labour supporters voting in the leadership election. The whole point of the system (which, again, was pushed for primarily by Blairites) was precisely to "broaden the debate out beyond the party".
Sure, you'll get a few idiots who purposely vote for who they think would be an election-loser. But what's the problem with people like Mike Smithson having a vote (who has said he wants a strong opposition for the good of the country so will be voting for who he thinks is best)?
If you don't support the party and it aims and you join then it's under false pretences so you should be barred from voting.
It's childish, petty, dishonest and democratically bankrupt.
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Well if Labour cared so much about that they should have had a 6 month minimum membership rule before being able to receive a ballotMonty said:
I'd take issue with that. If you actively oppose the aims and principles of an organisation (which he does based on his Twitter feed) then you have no business joining it just to harm it. There may be edge cases where the organisation is so bad that you feel it is morally justifiable, but mainstream UK political parties don't qualify.kle4 said:
Not at all, well within your rights; I do however feel the 'subverting democracy' label is unfair, as while an election is technically taking place, I don't know that term is applicable with what is merely the internal process of a private club.Monty said:
Agree, but you can't blame me for kicking him out.kle4 said:
Well sure, but it's incumbent upon the members of a club to check the credentials of those who wish to join the club, and as you say expel those that don't meet the requirements.Monty said:
To vote, you have to agree to the aims and values of the Labour Party.Danny565 said:I still don't understand the problem with having non-Labour supporters voting in the leadership election. The whole point of the system (which, again, was pushed for primarily by Blairites) was precisely to "broaden the debate out beyond the party".
Sure, you'll get a few idiots who purposely vote for who they think would be an election-loser. But what's the problem with people like Mike Smithson having a vote (who has said he wants a strong opposition for the good of the country so will be voting for who he thinks is best)?
If you don't support the party and it aims and you join then it's under false pretences so you should be barred from voting.
Unless actual laws are being broken, I cannot summon up any major outrage even if I don't intend to partake in the opportunity to vote in the Labour leadership election myself; it's not subverting democracy (and Tory entryists will surely be low in number I'd have thought), it's messing with the rules of a private club, essentially - it's not something to applaud people for, but it's not morally reprehensible either, if Labour or any other party want to exercise strict control over who can vote in their internal processes they can have a tighter system, plow resources into sifting out obvious troublemakers, or accept some messing around as the price for reaching out to and engaging with the wider electorate.
It's childish, petty, dishonest and democratically bankrupt.
I felt good sending off the email to the party.
I can't stop him registering under a false name, but on the upside at least I'm not him, reduced to that sort of juvenile nonsense.0 -
Pulps- to answer your question earlier- I don't know who I'm voting for. I'm conflicted. I wanted Chuka initially.Pulpstar said:
I was a bit concerned having fairly unelectable (For the GE) Jezza in charge of Labour could be bad for democracy - but those concerns are now gone as he's my biggest winner.bigjohnowls said:
Pulpstar will not be able to bet on the colour of Jezzas tie thats a factDanny565 said:Jezza's beard is getting a bit (more) scruffy.
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Agreed - that would normally have disqualified her for my theoretical vote by cancelling out the positive of her biscuit choice, but the failure of the others to answer appropriately leaves her the winner by default.Sunil_Prasannan said:
I hate salt & vinegar crispskle4 said:If I had a vote in the Labour leadership campaign, I'd have to vote for Cooper, for the most sensible of reasons - her choice of biscuit. Though I have to say Nick Clegg's answer was spot on with my own, which is presumably why I gave him so much benefit of the doubt.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11775359/How-every-politician-has-answered-Mumsnets-favourite-biscuit-question-since-2009.html
Also, I see from the piece that Cameron started the Mumsnet political engagement trend. I wonder if he regrets that or not.0 -
Think what you like. I have gone to the effort of finding out his real name and reporting him.Sunil_Prasannan said:
I think you're probably some troll, rather than genuinely anything to do with Hertsmere CLP.Monty said:
Not under the rules he doesn't.Sunil_Prasannan said:If Hertsmere wants to take part in the Labour Leadership vote, then he has every right to!
He doesn't support the aims of the party.
Why you think I wouldn't do that I don't know. I also happen to be the membership secretary so it wasn't hard to cross reference.
It was the right thing to do.0
