@JamesClayton5: Corbyn tells #newsnight's @maitlis that Blair could be tried for war crimes. This could get messy...
Hell yeah, I'd vote for him!
(Could he add in Al "Sexed Up Dossier" Campbell too please? Pretty please?)
Straw and Hoon as well please. My membership card arrived today. With this news Jezza could be rocketing to my first choice. Jez we can!
You won't be voting. I've reported your name to the Labour Party in my role as Hertsmere Membership Secretary.
Tories should NOT be voting in Labour elections. I feel very strongly about this.
You should be ashamed of yourself. It's a perversion of democracy.
Monty
Who says he's a Tory?
He's anti Labour. He won't be voting. It's done.
Maybe he's been converted to Labour by Jeremy Corbyn.
I wouldn't dream of trying to vote in the internal election of a party I don't support. I find it genuinely disgusting. I'm a believer in democracy before anything else and any action that tries to subvert democracy is wrong.
I still don't understand the problem with having non-Labour supporters voting in the leadership election. The whole point of the system (which, again, was pushed for primarily by Blairites) was precisely to "broaden the debate out beyond the party".
Sure, you'll get a few idiots who purposely vote for who they think would be an election-loser. But what's the problem with people like Mike Smithson having a vote (who has said he wants a strong opposition for the good of the country so will be voting for who he thinks is best)?
@JamesClayton5: Corbyn tells #newsnight's @maitlis that Blair could be tried for war crimes. This could get messy...
Hell yeah, I'd vote for him!
(Could he add in Al "Sexed Up Dossier" Campbell too please? Pretty please?)
Straw and Hoon as well please. My membership card arrived today. With this news Jezza could be rocketing to my first choice. Jez we can!
You won't be voting. I've reported your name to the Labour Party in my role as Hertsmere Membership Secretary.
Tories should NOT be voting in Labour elections. I feel very strongly about this.
You should be ashamed of yourself. It's a perversion of democracy.
Monty
Well you will have a lot of reporting to do, I know many longstanding Tory members voting in this Labour leadership election. I will be voting (albeit probably for Burnham first, not Corbyn) and over half the pbTories will be voting too as well as OGH a LD activist. It was Labour who introduced the stupid £3 rule so there is no point getting all Gestapo about it now! Albeit I agree there is nothing to stop Labour supporters voting in Tory open primaries either
@JamesClayton5: Corbyn tells #newsnight's @maitlis that Blair could be tried for war crimes. This could get messy...
Hell yeah, I'd vote for him!
(Could he add in Al "Sexed Up Dossier" Campbell too please? Pretty please?)
Straw and Hoon as well please. My membership card arrived today. With this news Jezza could be rocketing to my first choice. Jez we can!
You won't be voting. I've reported your name to the Labour Party in my role as Hertsmere Membership Secretary.
Tories should NOT be voting in Labour elections. I feel very strongly about this.
You should be ashamed of yourself. It's a perversion of democracy.
Monty
Who says he's a Tory?
He's anti Labour. He won't be voting. It's done.
Maybe he's been converted to Labour by Jeremy Corbyn.
I wouldn't dream of trying to vote in the internal election of a party I don't support. I find it genuinely disgusting. I'm a believer in democracy before anything else and any action that tries to subvert democracy is wrong.
@JamesClayton5: Corbyn tells #newsnight's @maitlis that Blair could be tried for war crimes. This could get messy...
Hell yeah, I'd vote for him!
(Could he add in Al "Sexed Up Dossier" Campbell too please? Pretty please?)
Straw and Hoon as well please. My membership card arrived today. With this news Jezza could be rocketing to my first choice. Jez we can!
You won't be voting. I've reported your name to the Labour Party in my role as Hertsmere Membership Secretary.
Tories should NOT be voting in Labour elections. I feel very strongly about this.
You should be ashamed of yourself. It's a perversion of democracy.
Monty
Who says he's a Tory?
He's anti Labour. He won't be voting. It's done.
Maybe he's been converted to Labour by Jeremy Corbyn.
I wouldn't dream of trying to vote in the internal election of a party I don't support. I find it genuinely disgusting. I'm a believer in democracy before anything else and any action that tries to subvert democracy is wrong.
My entire household will be voting and some relatives are in on the action
They are all going to be voting for the loony left candidate Corbyn.
@JamesClayton5: Corbyn tells #newsnight's @maitlis that Blair could be tried for war crimes. This could get messy...
Hell yeah, I'd vote for him!
(Could he add in Al "Sexed Up Dossier" Campbell too please? Pretty please?)
Straw and Hoon as well please. My membership card arrived today. With this news Jezza could be rocketing to my first choice. Jez we can!
You won't be voting. I've reported your name to the Labour Party in my role as Hertsmere Membership Secretary.
Tories should NOT be voting in Labour elections. I feel very strongly about this.
You should be ashamed of yourself. It's a perversion of democracy.
Monty
Who says he's a Tory?
He's anti Labour. He won't be voting. It's done.
Maybe he's been converted to Labour by Jeremy Corbyn.
I wouldn't dream of trying to vote in the internal election of a party I don't support. I find it genuinely disgusting. I'm a believer in democracy before anything else and any action that tries to subvert democracy is wrong.
Burnham's big, huge, strategic, mind blowing policy announcement thus far was.....drum roll.....a bit more..... yes....a few more beats....was..... to integrate health and social care. You got it.
Maybe, just maybe (and even that is unrealistic) an autistic, policywonk in the farther reaches of some frozen government department may be slightly (and I mean slightly) interested in this policy....but seriously Andy.
I much prefer his proposal to give us all some more houses- I want to be the goalie for Man City too- can you sort out that out Andy?
FFS. Labour must stop with these nonsense policies. May as well guarantee that everyone gets be millionaire, and lives happily ever at this rate. We'll probably all find pots of gold at the end of the rainbow too.
Social care is actually a major challenge and it is good he is talking about it, we also need to ensure the Tories keep to their plans for a social care cap in 2020
I thought your faux outrage at Herbert was taking the piss- but gosh, you're taking all this a bit too seriously comrade. Hang loose- when the Tory leadership contest comes up I'm going for a bring back Widders campaign to be put to a public vote.
@JamesClayton5: Corbyn tells #newsnight's @maitlis that Blair could be tried for war crimes. This could get messy...
Hell yeah, I'd vote for him!
(Could he add in Al "Sexed Up Dossier" Campbell too please? Pretty please?)
Straw and Hoon as well please. My membership card arrived today. With this news Jezza could be rocketing to my first choice. Jez we can!
You won't be voting. I've reported your name to the Labour Party in my role as Hertsmere Membership Secretary.
Tories should NOT be voting in Labour elections. I feel very strongly about this.
You should be ashamed of yourself. It's a perversion of democracy.
Monty
Who says he's a Tory?
He's anti Labour. He won't be voting. It's done.
Maybe he's been converted to Labour by Jeremy Corbyn.
I wouldn't dream of trying to vote in the internal election of a party I don't support. I find it genuinely disgusting. I'm a believer in democracy before anything else and any action that tries to subvert democracy is wrong.
@JamesClayton5: Corbyn tells #newsnight's @maitlis that Blair could be tried for war crimes. This could get messy...
Hell yeah, I'd vote for him!
(Could he add in Al "Sexed Up Dossier" Campbell too please? Pretty please?)
Straw and Hoon as well please. My membership card arrived today. With this news Jezza could be rocketing to my first choice. Jez we can!
You won't be voting. I've reported your name to the Labour Party in my role as Hertsmere Membership Secretary.
Tories should NOT be voting in Labour elections. I feel very strongly about this.
You should be ashamed of yourself. It's a perversion of democracy.
Monty
Well you will have a lot of reporting to do, I know many longstanding Tory members voting in this Labour leadership election. I will be voting (albeit probably for Burnham first, not Corbyn) and over half the pbTories will be voting too as well as OGH a LD activist. It was Labour who introduced the stupid £3 rule so there is no point getting all Gestapo about it now! Albeit I agree there is nothing to stop Labour supporters voting in Tory open primaries either
So, because the system is relatively easy to subvert it's fine to vote to try and disrupt it for your own ends?
Nice. Again, I find it appalling that people think that's ok.
@JamesClayton5: Corbyn tells #newsnight's @maitlis that Blair could be tried for war crimes. This could get messy...
Hell yeah, I'd vote for him!
(Could he add in Al "Sexed Up Dossier" Campbell too please? Pretty please?)
Straw and Hoon as well please. My membership card arrived today. With this news Jezza could be rocketing to my first choice. Jez we can!
You won't be voting. I've reported your name to the Labour Party in my role as Hertsmere Membership Secretary.
Tories should NOT be voting in Labour elections. I feel very strongly about this.
You should be ashamed of yourself. It's a perversion of democracy.
Monty
Who says he's a Tory?
He's anti Labour. He won't be voting. It's done.
Maybe he's been converted to Labour by Jeremy Corbyn.
I wouldn't dream of trying to vote in the internal election of a party I don't support. I find it genuinely disgusting. I'm a believer in democracy before anything else and any action that tries to subvert democracy is wrong.
How do we know you're really in Hertsmere?
His name was in an email of new members to me.
No, I meant how do we know YOU're really in Hertsmere?
Bollox you two- you're just a bunch of short arms, long pockets gobby types who when push comes to shove can't bring themselves to fork out 3 notes to subvert democracy.
@JamesClayton5: Corbyn tells #newsnight's @maitlis that Blair could be tried for war crimes. This could get messy...
Hell yeah, I'd vote for him!
(Could he add in Al "Sexed Up Dossier" Campbell too please? Pretty please?)
Straw and Hoon as well please. My membership card arrived today. With this news Jezza could be rocketing to my first choice. Jez we can!
You won't be voting. I've reported your name to the Labour Party in my role as Hertsmere Membership Secretary.
Tories should NOT be voting in Labour elections. I feel very strongly about this.
You should be ashamed of yourself. It's a perversion of democracy.
Monty
I didn't vote Tory in May and if you can be bothered to look at threads passim you will see that I slagged off the Tory candidate before hand. I like politicians that speak their mind and not ones that have come out of the focussed group sausage factory.
IIRC OGH has also joined Labour (happy to be corrected if I'm wrong), are you going to report him as well?
I still don't understand the problem with having non-Labour supporters voting in the leadership election. The whole point of the system (which, again, was pushed for primarily by Blairites) was precisely to "broaden the debate out beyond the party".
Sure, you'll get a few idiots who purposely vote for who they think would be an election-loser. But what's the problem with people like Mike Smithson having a vote (who has said he wants a strong opposition for the good of the country so will be voting for who he thinks is best)?
To vote, you have to agree to the aims and values of the Labour Party. If you don't support the party and it aims and you join then it's under false pretences so you should be barred from voting.
If you were a child raped by a now dead celebrity who was seen laughing and joking with young children on tv repeats, I think you'd be pleased when the time came that people spat at the mention of his name
The key point for me is to respect the victims of crime. Part of that is to get official recognition that they really ARE victims. For this, it doesn't matter whether the perpetrator of the crime is alive or dead. The only thing that matters is that the facts come to light.
The police will prioritize their resources accordingly, as of course they must, and some crimes will be investigated more vigorously than others. That is how it should be. The argument that crimes should be overlooked in their entirety because police resources are limited is ludicrous.
It maybe ludicrous, but that is the police opinion: burglary and theft from cars is not worth investigating:
Not that investigating your own crime helps! I was burgled and a camera stolen and reported to the police. They did nothing, but I contacted all the 3 second hand camera shops in town. One indeed had my camera, along with the name and address of the seller. I reported this and got my camera back but the burglar/fence was never charged. How much more evidence did they need!
I have no faith in my local police. They are very hot with people doing 32mph in a 30 limit and use unmarked police cars to catch them, but they let drug dealers walk around anywhere. It seems that they are only willing to do the easy stuff on people who cause no trouble, but anything that is difficult they let go by with a blind eye. Recently someone was sexually assaulted before a witness and they dismissed it as insufficient evidence and told the witness not to bother them.
In my opinion speeding in a car is far worse than taking drugs.
People who take drugs choose to harm themselves. Drug dealers facilitate that.
People who drive too fast choose to potentially harm people other than themselves.
I'm no angel on both counts. But having both driven too fast and been worse for wear on drugs, I know I'm far more likely to kill someone speeding than I am stoned.
Interestingly I'm sure it was the Freakomomics guys who worked out that you are nine times more likely to come to harm walking home pissed than you are driving home pissed! If that's true it's a fab fact.
On topic, were Dave to quit before the election and Labour elected Corbyn as leader, there'd be about 329 Tory MPs who think they'd could win the 2020 election
I still don't understand the problem with having non-Labour supporters voting in the leadership election. The whole point of the system (which, again, was pushed for primarily by Blairites) was precisely to "broaden the debate out beyond the party".
Sure, you'll get a few idiots who purposely vote for who they think would be an election-loser. But what's the problem with people like Mike Smithson having a vote (who has said he wants a strong opposition for the good of the country so will be voting for who he thinks is best)?
To vote, you have to agree to the aims and values of the Labour Party. If you don't support the party and it aims and you join then it's under false pretences so you should be barred from voting.
@JamesClayton5: Corbyn tells #newsnight's @maitlis that Blair could be tried for war crimes. This could get messy...
Hell yeah, I'd vote for him!
(Could he add in Al "Sexed Up Dossier" Campbell too please? Pretty please?)
Straw and Hoon as well please. My membership card arrived today. With this news Jezza could be rocketing to my first choice. Jez we can!
You won't be voting. I've reported your name to the Labour Party in my role as Hertsmere Membership Secretary.
Tories should NOT be voting in Labour elections. I feel very strongly about this.
You should be ashamed of yourself. It's a perversion of democracy.
Monty
Well you will have a lot of reporting to do, I know many longstanding Tory members voting in this Labour leadership election. I will be voting (albeit probably for Burnham first, not Corbyn) and over half the pbTories will be voting too as well as OGH a LD activist. It was Labour who introduced the stupid £3 rule so there is no point getting all Gestapo about it now! Albeit I agree there is nothing to stop Labour supporters voting in Tory open primaries either
So, because the system is relatively easy to subvert it's fine to vote to try and disrupt it for your own ends?
Nice. Again, I find it appalling that people think that's ok.
Of course it is, politics is a contact sport, do you think the likes of Mandelson would decline the chance of paying £3 to vote for an unelectable rightwinger in the Tory leadership contest if they got the chance, of course not!! If some Labour members think no Tories are going to take up the chance to pick a beatable Labour leader they are being desperately naive
@JamesClayton5: Corbyn tells #newsnight's @maitlis that Blair could be tried for war crimes. This could get messy...
Hell yeah, I'd vote for him!
(Could he add in Al "Sexed Up Dossier" Campbell too please? Pretty please?)
Straw and Hoon as well please. My membership card arrived today. With this news Jezza could be rocketing to my first choice. Jez we can!
You won't be voting. I've reported your name to the Labour Party in my role as Hertsmere Membership Secretary.
Tories should NOT be voting in Labour elections. I feel very strongly about this.
You should be ashamed of yourself. It's a perversion of democracy.
Monty
I didn't vote Tory in May and if you can be bothered to look at threads passim you will see that I slagged off the Tory candidate before hand. I like politicians that speak their mind and not ones that have come out of the focussed group sausage factory.
IIRC OGH has also joined Labour (happy to be corrected if I'm wrong), are you going to report him as well?
Methinks you're all piss and wind about this.
"Starting to enjoy this Labour Leadership contest, they have no idea how much damage they are doing to their party" You replied: Great isn't it: *gets popcorn in*
People who drive too fast choose to potentially harm people other than themselves.
Ah, so you mean like in MInority Report???
Yeah!
To be honest, since having kids I've become much more concerned about speeding drivers. I went on a speed awareness course and they showed that infamous video of a road by a school (30mph limit) and surveyed 1000 cars. A handful drove at over 70mph. About 30% were within the legal limit.
It was a bit scary.
It looked like a busy, tight street where 25mph was a sensible speed.
Made me think a bit.
I only drive during school hours now after three litres of Frosty Jacks. Not six.
@JamesClayton5: Corbyn tells #newsnight's @maitlis that Blair could be tried for war crimes. This could get messy...
Hell yeah, I'd vote for him!
(Could he add in Al "Sexed Up Dossier" Campbell too please? Pretty please?)
Straw and Hoon as well please. My membership card arrived today. With this news Jezza could be rocketing to my first choice. Jez we can!
You won't be voting. I've reported your name to the Labour Party in my role as Hertsmere Membership Secretary.
Tories should NOT be voting in Labour elections. I feel very strongly about this.
You should be ashamed of yourself. It's a perversion of democracy.
Monty
Well you will have a lot of reporting to do, I know many longstanding Tory members voting in this Labour leadership election. I will be voting (albeit probably for Burnham first, not Corbyn) and over half the pbTories will be voting too as well as OGH a LD activist. It was Labour who introduced the stupid £3 rule so there is no point getting all Gestapo about it now! Albeit I agree there is nothing to stop Labour supporters voting in Tory open primaries either
So, because the system is relatively easy to subvert it's fine to vote to try and disrupt it for your own ends?
Nice. Again, I find it appalling that people think that's ok.
Of course it is, politics is a contact sport, do you think the likes of Mandelson would decline the chance of paying £3 to vote for an unelectable rightwinger in the Tory leadership contest if they got the chance, of course not!! If some Labour members think no Tories are going to take up the chance to pick a beatable Labour leader they are being desperately naive
It's a race to the bottom in other words. I wouldn't do so, so reserve the right to look down on those that would. However you dress it up it's dishonourable.
Wasn't going to register but since Hertsmere_Pubgoer might lose his vote I've just wasted 3 quid to buy some extended entertainment for the next few months.
Polling undertaken for an independent review being led by Jon Cruddas, the Labour MP and former coordinator of the party’s 2015 manifesto, shows Britain’s voters do not back an anti-austerity message but instead believe the country must live within its means and make cutting the deficit its top priority.
The findings, given to the Guardian, are likely to make difficult reading for those that say Labour’s path to electoral recovery lies in the party adopting a stronger anti-austerity stance than in the run-up to this year’s election.....
.....The polling shows that 56% of those surveyed agree, and just 16% disagree, with the statement: “We must live within our means, so cutting the deficit is the top priority.”
Of those surveyed who voted for the Conservatives at the 2015 election, 84% agreed with the statement and virtually none disagreed. Amongst Labour voters 32% agreed while 34% disagreed. Ukip and Liberal Democrat voters agreed in proportions of 63% and 58% respectively.
I still don't understand the problem with having non-Labour supporters voting in the leadership election. The whole point of the system (which, again, was pushed for primarily by Blairites) was precisely to "broaden the debate out beyond the party".
Sure, you'll get a few idiots who purposely vote for who they think would be an election-loser. But what's the problem with people like Mike Smithson having a vote (who has said he wants a strong opposition for the good of the country so will be voting for who he thinks is best)?
To vote, you have to agree to the aims and values of the Labour Party. If you don't support the party and it aims and you join then it's under false pretences so you should be barred from voting.
Very simple.
I'm nice normally. But I don't like it when people fuck with elections. On any side.
@Fenster- people who drive fast are a much greater threat to innocent folk than druggies, who firstly only damage themselves, and secondly, drive particularly slowly when they're stoned.
@JamesClayton5: Corbyn tells #newsnight's @maitlis that Blair could be tried for war crimes. This could get messy...
Hell yeah, I'd vote for him!
(Could he add in Al "Sexed Up Dossier" Campbell too please? Pretty please?)
Straw and Hoon as well please. My membership card arrived today. With this news Jezza could be rocketing to my first choice. Jez we can!
You won't be voting. I've reported your name to the Labour Party in my role as Hertsmere Membership Secretary.
Tories should NOT be voting in Labour elections. I feel very strongly about this.
You should be ashamed of yourself. It's a perversion of democracy.
Monty
I didn't vote Tory in May and if you can be bothered to look at threads passim you will see that I slagged off the Tory candidate before hand. I like politicians that speak their mind and not ones that have come out of the focussed group sausage factory.
IIRC OGH has also joined Labour (happy to be corrected if I'm wrong), are you going to report him as well?
Methinks you're all piss and wind about this.
"Starting to enjoy this Labour Leadership contest, they have no idea how much damage they are doing to their party" You replied: Great isn't it: *gets popcorn in*
You are busted mate.
I am a former Tory member and I will be voting, SeanT is a Tory and he will be voting, MPSE is no socialist and he will be voting, OGH is a LD and he will be voting, I know of numerous other Tory members who will be voting. Your party introduced the £3 rule to 'broaden' the participation in your leadership election, if you don't like some of those it has 'broadened' out to then tough!!
People who drive too fast choose to potentially harm people other than themselves.
Ah, so you mean like in MInority Report???
Yeah!
To be honest, since having kids I've become much more concerned about speeding drivers. I went on a speed awareness course and they showed that infamous video of a road by a school (30mph limit) and surveyed 1000 cars. A handful drove at over 70mph. About 30% were within the legal limit.
It was a bit scary.
It looked like a busy, tight street where 25mph was a sensible speed.
Made me think a bit.
I only drive during school hours now after three litres of Frosty Jacks. Not six.
I like to cruise at 125 mph whenever I travel between London and Coventry/Birmingham
@JamesClayton5: Corbyn tells #newsnight's @maitlis that Blair could be tried for war crimes. This could get messy...
Hell yeah, I'd vote for him!
(Could he add in Al "Sexed Up Dossier" Campbell too please? Pretty please?)
Straw and Hoon as well please. My membership card arrived today. With this news Jezza could be rocketing to my first choice. Jez we can!
You won't be voting. I've reported your name to the Labour Party in my role as Hertsmere Membership Secretary.
Tories should NOT be voting in Labour elections. I feel very strongly about this.
You should be ashamed of yourself. It's a perversion of democracy.
Monty
Well you will have a lot of reporting to do, I know many longstanding Tory members voting in this Labour leadership election. I will be voting (albeit probably for Burnham first, not Corbyn) and over half the pbTories will be voting too as well as OGH a LD activist. It was Labour who introduced the stupid £3 rule so there is no point getting all Gestapo about it now! Albeit I agree there is nothing to stop Labour supporters voting in Tory open primaries either
So, because the system is relatively easy to subvert it's fine to vote to try and disrupt it for your own ends?
Nice. Again, I find it appalling that people think that's ok.
Of course it is! It's Labour's duty to write their rules as they see fit. It's upto the public to join whatever party they want. If Labour don't want to write sensible rules, that's their choice not ours.
From an episode of the West Wing in 2000, "The Portland Trip"
Congressman Skinner: You know I never understood why you gun control people don't all join the NRA. They've got two million members. You bring three million to the next meeting, call a vote. All those in favor of tossing guns... bam! Move on. Josh Lyman: It's a heck of a strategy, Matt. I'll bring that up at a meeting.
I still don't understand the problem with having non-Labour supporters voting in the leadership election. The whole point of the system (which, again, was pushed for primarily by Blairites) was precisely to "broaden the debate out beyond the party".
Sure, you'll get a few idiots who purposely vote for who they think would be an election-loser. But what's the problem with people like Mike Smithson having a vote (who has said he wants a strong opposition for the good of the country so will be voting for who he thinks is best)?
To vote, you have to agree to the aims and values of the Labour Party. If you don't support the party and it aims and you join then it's under false pretences so you should be barred from voting.
Well sure, but it's incumbent upon the members of a club to check the credentials of those who wish to join the club, and as you say expel those that don't meet the requirements.
Unless actual laws are being broken, I cannot summon up any major outrage even if I don't intend to partake in the opportunity to vote in the Labour leadership election myself; it's not subverting democracy (and Tory entryists will surely be low in number I'd have thought), it's messing with the rules of a private club, essentially - it's not something to applaud people for, but it's not morally reprehensible either, if Labour or any other party want to exercise strict control over who can vote in their internal processes they can have a tighter system, plow resources into sifting out obvious troublemakers, or accept some messing around as the price for reaching out to and engaging with the wider electorate.
From memory, the Postcode Address File has about 25million addresses in England and Wales. After you've stripped out the prisons, hospitals, B&B's, hostels, battered womens' shelters, leisure homes, etc it comes to about 23 million places that an individual can sleep in with a front door you can lock.
There are ~56 million people in England and Wales, of which about 46 million are adults. If we assume that ~40% of those adults are single, then there are about 20 million singletons and about 13 million couples.
So that's 33 million singles/couples chasing 23 million accommodation units.
So for Andy to make good his promise, he's going to have to build or otherwise create 10 million accomodation units.
I am obviously oversimplifying here, but he may just possibly have bitten off more than he can chew...
(NB For historical reasons, Scotland and Northern Ireland don't have the same housing problems as E&W. do)
Well some of those will live with partners, parents etc but it seems a worthwhile aim
Polling undertaken for an independent review being led by Jon Cruddas, the Labour MP and former coordinator of the party’s 2015 manifesto, shows Britain’s voters do not back an anti-austerity message but instead believe the country must live within its means and make cutting the deficit its top priority.
The findings, given to the Guardian, are likely to make difficult reading for those that say Labour’s path to electoral recovery lies in the party adopting a stronger anti-austerity stance than in the run-up to this year’s election.....
.....The polling shows that 56% of those surveyed agree, and just 16% disagree, with the statement: “We must live within our means, so cutting the deficit is the top priority.”
Of those surveyed who voted for the Conservatives at the 2015 election, 84% agreed with the statement and virtually none disagreed. Amongst Labour voters 32% agreed while 34% disagreed. Ukip and Liberal Democrat voters agreed in proportions of 63% and 58% respectively.
I still don't understand the problem with having non-Labour supporters voting in the leadership election. The whole point of the system (which, again, was pushed for primarily by Blairites) was precisely to "broaden the debate out beyond the party".
Sure, you'll get a few idiots who purposely vote for who they think would be an election-loser. But what's the problem with people like Mike Smithson having a vote (who has said he wants a strong opposition for the good of the country so will be voting for who he thinks is best)?
To vote, you have to agree to the aims and values of the Labour Party. If you don't support the party and it aims and you join then it's under false pretences so you should be barred from voting.
Well sure, but it's incumbent upon the members of a club to check the credentials of those who wish to join the club, and as you say expel those that don't meet the requirements.
Unless actual laws are being broken, I cannot summon up any major outrage even if I don't intend to partake in the opportunity to vote in the Labour leadership election myself; it's not subverting democracy (and Tory entryists will surely be low in number I'd have thought), it's messing with the rules of a private club, essentially - it's not something to applaud people for, but it's not morally reprehensible either, if Labour or any other party want to exercise strict control over who can vote in their internal processes they can have a tighter system, plow resources into sifting out obvious troublemakers, or accept some messing around as the price for reaching out to and engaging with the wider electorate.
Agree, but you can't blame me for kicking him out.
It's a bit silly for Labour to effectively run an open primary and then complain when non-Labour supporters opt to take part.
I doubt they'll do it this way again. Still out of order to try and disrupt a democratic process for your own ends though. Just because it is easy to try and break something, that doesn't make it ok.
@JamesClayton5: Corbyn tells #newsnight's @maitlis that Blair could be tried for war crimes. This could get messy...
Hell yeah, I'd vote for him!
(Could he add in Al "Sexed Up Dossier" Campbell too please? Pretty please?)
Straw and Hoon as well please. My membership card arrived today. With this news Jezza could be rocketing to my first choice. Jez we can!
You won't be voting. I've reported your name to the Labour Party in my role as Hertsmere Membership Secretary.
Tories should NOT be voting in Labour elections. I feel very strongly about this.
You should be ashamed of yourself. It's a perversion of democracy.
Monty
Who says he's a Tory?
He's anti Labour. He won't be voting. It's done.
Maybe he's been converted to Labour by Jeremy Corbyn.
Hope he didn't register with the Labour Party as Hertsmere Pubgoer, otherwise he might have lost his 3 quid.
That's NOT his real name
I know his real name. A short Internet search revealed it. I won't disclose it.
Ooh, you can use google. You should have waited until you take the direct debit before making that post. Still time to cancel it and sign up in a mate's name.
I once attempted to take one of those speed tests at Bicester. On the day of the test I was late- tried to get to the course, but was 2 minutes late when I arrived. I was caught speeding again en route- I did drive like a Jez Corbyn to get there mind- and I was given a further 3 points, and fined again, as well as paying for the course I wasn't allowed to attend because I was 2 minutes late.
People who drive too fast choose to potentially harm people other than themselves.
Ah, so you mean like in MInority Report???
Yeah!
To be honest, since having kids I've become much more concerned about speeding drivers. I went on a speed awareness course and they showed that infamous video of a road by a school (30mph limit) and surveyed 1000 cars. A handful drove at over 70mph. About 30% were within the legal limit.
It was a bit scary.
It looked like a busy, tight street where 25mph was a sensible speed.
Made me think a bit.
I only drive during school hours now after three litres of Frosty Jacks. Not six.
I like to cruise at 125 mph whenever I travel between London and Coventry/Birmingham
It's a bit silly for Labour to effectively run an open primary and then complain when non-Labour supporters opt to take part.
Well that's the nub of the matter, isn't it - it's not really an open primary, but it was so open as to almost be one. They cannot really be getting too mad (some level is appropriate, being messed with isn't fun) with people obeying the letter rather than the spirit of the rules though (in this case, wishing to be a member or affiliate for positive reasons), as the system was clearly designed to filter out candidates without sufficient parliamentary support from making it on to the ballot, and they ignored that to get Corbyn onto it, as even if the 35MP limit was put in place for a reason, clearly nothing said the nominations to get to that limit had to be genuine measures of support, even if that was presumably the point.
@JamesClayton5: Corbyn tells #newsnight's @maitlis that Blair could be tried for war crimes. This could get messy...
Hell yeah, I'd vote for him!
(Could he add in Al "Sexed Up Dossier" Campbell too please? Pretty please?)
Straw and Hoon as well please. My membership card arrived today. With this news Jezza could be rocketing to my first choice. Jez we can!
You won't be voting. I've reported your name to the Labour Party in my role as Hertsmere Membership Secretary.
Tories should NOT be voting in Labour elections. I feel very strongly about this.
You should be ashamed of yourself. It's a perversion of democracy.
Monty
Who says he's a Tory?
He's anti Labour. He won't be voting. It's done.
Maybe he's been converted to Labour by Jeremy Corbyn.
Hope he didn't register with the Labour Party as Hertsmere Pubgoer, otherwise he might have lost his 3 quid.
That's NOT his real name
I know his real name. A short Internet search revealed it. I won't disclose it.
Ooh, you can use google. You should have waited until you take the direct debit before making that post. Still time to cancel it and sign up in a mate's name.
I still don't understand the problem with having non-Labour supporters voting in the leadership election. The whole point of the system (which, again, was pushed for primarily by Blairites) was precisely to "broaden the debate out beyond the party".
Sure, you'll get a few idiots who purposely vote for who they think would be an election-loser. But what's the problem with people like Mike Smithson having a vote (who has said he wants a strong opposition for the good of the country so will be voting for who he thinks is best)?
To vote, you have to agree to the aims and values of the Labour Party. If you don't support the party and it aims and you join then it's under false pretences so you should be barred from voting.
Well sure, but it's incumbent upon the members of a club to check the credentials of those who wish to join the club, and as you say expel those that don't meet the requirements.
Unless actual laws are being broken, I cannot summon up any major outrage even if I don't intend to partake in the opportunity to vote in the Labour leadership election myself; it's not subverting democracy (and Tory entryists will surely be low in number I'd have thought), it's messing with the rules of a private club, essentially - it's not something to applaud people for, but it's not morally reprehensible either, if Labour or any other party want to exercise strict control over who can vote in their internal processes they can have a tighter system, plow resources into sifting out obvious troublemakers, or accept some messing around as the price for reaching out to and engaging with the wider electorate.
Agree, but you can't blame me for kicking him out.
Not at all, well within your rights; I do however feel the 'subverting democracy' label is unfair, as while an election is technically taking place, I don't know that term is applicable with what is merely the internal process of a private club.
@JamesClayton5: Corbyn tells #newsnight's @maitlis that Blair could be tried for war crimes. This could get messy...
Hell yeah, I'd vote for him!
(Could he add in Al "Sexed Up Dossier" Campbell too please? Pretty please?)
Straw and Hoon as well please. My membership card arrived today. With this news Jezza could be rocketing to my first choice. Jez we can!
You won't be voting. I've reported your name to the Labour Party in my role as Hertsmere Membership Secretary.
Tories should NOT be voting in Labour elections. I feel very strongly about this.
You should be ashamed of yourself. It's a perversion of democracy.
Monty
Who says he's a Tory?
He's anti Labour. He won't be voting. It's done.
Maybe he's been converted to Labour by Jeremy Corbyn.
Hope he didn't register with the Labour Party as Hertsmere Pubgoer, otherwise he might have lost his 3 quid.
That's NOT his real name
I know his real name. A short Internet search revealed it. I won't disclose it.
Ooh, you can use google. You should have waited until you take the direct debit before making that post. Still time to cancel it and sign up in a mate's name.
Whatever, you sad man.
You "win".
You're the one that's so rattled about it that you started googling me because you're so concerned about ONE poxy vote.
It's a bit silly for Labour to effectively run an open primary and then complain when non-Labour supporters opt to take part.
I doubt they'll do it this way again. Still out of order to try and disrupt a democratic process for your own ends though. Just because it is easy to try and break something, that doesn't make it ok.
"We had to destroy the village Labour Party to save it!"
It's a bit silly for Labour to effectively run an open primary and then complain when non-Labour supporters opt to take part.
I doubt they'll do it this way again. Still out of order to try and disrupt a democratic process for your own ends though. Just because it is easy to try and break something, that doesn't make it ok.
Amusing though that most of those new Labour members and supporters who have signed up to take part in this process are either unreconstructed Trotskyites or diehard Thatcherites, the average voter has got better things to spend £3 on than the Labour leadership contest!!
When you run an open primary, there is a trade-off.
You may have some spoilers, but you get the benefit of greater engagement from neutrals or sympathisers. The benefits and downsides are well-known. I like open primaries because the benefits outweigh the risks.
Labour want to run an open primary, but only want the advantages and not the possible downsides.
IMO, Monty would be better advised to put forward positive arguments for his favoured candidates than behaving like a secret policeman.
Lovely day today driving over the Bealach na Ba into Applecross. What an amazing road, the best in the whole of Scotland and likely the UK.
Finally the allegations around Ted Heath have leaked into the mainstream. I'm surprised at the muted reaction. You could have read about them years ago in the alternative media. Why anyone follows the msm who savagely cut any investigative journalism I don't know! The future is clearly with the likes of exaro who are doing a wonderful job in investigating all the misdemeanors committed by the establishment. And no surprise is the photos circulating around mr so vile and Mr Heath. Now it's time to cross the rubicon and expose those members of the establishment who are alive and have been involved in these vile crimes. Any casual reading of the alternative media and you can go out and find names mentioned. ......
I still don't understand the problem with having non-Labour supporters voting in the leadership election. The whole point of the system (which, again, was pushed for primarily by Blairites) was precisely to "broaden the debate out beyond the party".
Sure, you'll get a few idiots who purposely vote for who they think would be an election-loser. But what's the problem with people like Mike Smithson having a vote (who has said he wants a strong opposition for the good of the country so will be voting for who he thinks is best)?
To vote, you have to agree to the aims and values of the Labour Party. If you don't support the party and it aims and you join then it's under false pretences so you should be barred from voting.
Very simple.
I'm nice normally. But I don't like it when people fuck with elections. On any side.
I still don't understand the problem with having non-Labour supporters voting in the leadership election. The whole point of the system (which, again, was pushed for primarily by Blairites) was precisely to "broaden the debate out beyond the party".
Sure, you'll get a few idiots who purposely vote for who they think would be an election-loser. But what's the problem with people like Mike Smithson having a vote (who has said he wants a strong opposition for the good of the country so will be voting for who he thinks is best)?
To vote, you have to agree to the aims and values of the Labour Party. If you don't support the party and it aims and you join then it's under false pretences so you should be barred from voting.
Well sure, but it's incumbent upon the members of a club to check the credentials of those who wish to join the club, and as you say expel those that don't meet the requirements.
Unless actual laws are being broken, I cannot summon up any major outrage even if I don't intend to partake in the opportunity to vote in the Labour leadership election myself; it's not subverting democracy (and Tory entryists will surely be low in number I'd have thought), it's messing with the rules of a private club, essentially - it's not something to applaud people for, but it's not morally reprehensible either, if Labour or any other party want to exercise strict control over who can vote in their internal processes they can have a tighter system, plow resources into sifting out obvious troublemakers, or accept some messing around as the price for reaching out to and engaging with the wider electorate.
Agree, but you can't blame me for kicking him out.
Not at all, well within your rights; I do however feel the 'subverting democracy' label is unfair, as while an election is technically taking place, I don't know that term is applicable with what is merely the internal process of a private club.
I'd take issue with that. If you actively oppose the aims and principles of an organisation (which he does based on his Twitter feed) then you have no business joining it just to harm it. There may be edge cases where the organisation is so bad that you feel it is morally justifiable, but mainstream UK political parties don't qualify. It's childish, petty, dishonest and democratically bankrupt.
I felt good sending off the email to the party.
I can't stop him registering under a false name, but on the upside at least I'm not him, reduced to that sort of juvenile nonsense.
It's a bit silly for Labour to effectively run an open primary and then complain when non-Labour supporters opt to take part.
I doubt they'll do it this way again. Still out of order to try and disrupt a democratic process for your own ends though. Just because it is easy to try and break something, that doesn't make it ok.
Jez is more of a Professional Politician than we give him credit for. He quite skilfully dodged giving a straight answer on whether he wanted Blair to be tried for war crimes.
If I had a vote in the Labour leadership campaign, I'd have to vote for Cooper, for the most sensible of reasons - her choice of biscuit. Though I have to say Nick Clegg's answer was spot on with my own, which is presumably why I gave him so much benefit of the doubt.
"Ladesfield Care Home was shut down in 2011 by Kent Council, which reportedly claimed it could not afford the £450,000 cost of restoration. But up to 40 migrants aged between 16 and 18 are now set to move into the home after arriving in nearby Dover. Nearly 500 furious residents have signed a petition against the refit, which was confirmed by council bosses last month. Peter Oakford of Kent Council defended the move, saying the council had a "duty of care" towards under-18s who arrive in Kent seeking asylum. Last week it was revealed that the council cares for over 600 "unaccompanied minors" – up from about 240 last year – and faces a shortfall of £5.5million in care costs"
It's a bit silly for Labour to effectively run an open primary and then complain when non-Labour supporters opt to take part.
I doubt they'll do it this way again. Still out of order to try and disrupt a democratic process for your own ends though. Just because it is easy to try and break something, that doesn't make it ok.
"Ladesfield Care Home was shut down in 2011 by Kent Council, which reportedly claimed it could not afford the £450,000 cost of restoration. But up to 40 migrants aged between 16 and 18 are now set to move into the home after arriving in nearby Dover. Nearly 500 furious residents have signed a petition against the refit, which was confirmed by council bosses last month. Peter Oakford of Kent Council defended the move, saying the council had a "duty of care" towards under-18s who arrive in Kent seeking asylum. Last week it was revealed that the council cares for over 600 "unaccompanied minors" – up from about 240 last year – and faces a shortfall of £5.5million in care costs"
I know I'm not being particularly PC here, but I don't think people (aside from the victims obviously) are particularly interested in crimes committed forty years or more ago by dead people who we all knew were a bit weird.
Lovely day today driving over the Bealach na Ba into Applecross. What an amazing road, the best in the whole of Scotland and likely the UK.
Finally the allegations around Ted Heath have leaked into the mainstream. I'm surprised at the muted reaction. You could have read about them years ago in the alternative media. Why anyone follows the msm who savagely cut any investigative journalism I don't know! The future is clearly with the likes of exaro who are doing a wonderful job in investigating all the misdemeanors committed by the establishment. And no surprise is the photos circulating around mr so vile and Mr Heath. Now it's time to cross the rubicon and expose those members of the establishment who are alive and have been involved in these vile crimes. Any casual reading of the alternative media and you can go out and find names mentioned. ......
Pulpstar will not be able to bet on the colour of Jezzas tie thats a fact
I was a bit concerned having fairly unelectable (For the GE) Jezza in charge of Labour could be bad for democracy - but those concerns are now gone as he's my biggest winner.
If I had a vote in the Labour leadership campaign, I'd have to vote for Cooper, for the most sensible of reasons - her choice of biscuit. Though I have to say Nick Clegg's answer was spot on with my own, which is presumably why I gave him so much benefit of the doubt.
When you run an open primary, there is a trade-off.
You may have some spoilers, but you get the benefit of greater engagement from neutrals or sympathisers. The benefits and downsides are well-known. I like open primaries because the benefits outweigh the risks.
Labour want to run an open primary, but only want the advantages and not the possible downsides.
IMO, Monty would be better advised to put forward positive arguments for his favoured candidates than behaving like a secret policeman.
No. Hertsmere_pubgoer is a long time critic and adversary of the Labour Party. You only have to read his posts on here and on Twitter to see he is being dishonest and deliberately disruptive. He hasn't tried to say different either once found out.
But Monty, I do support the aims. Jezza has convinced me as a conviction politician. I think that you're a bit sore that he may win and you don't like it. I even ticked the box that says Yes i support the aims of the Labour Party.
I still don't understand the problem with having non-Labour supporters voting in the leadership election. The whole point of the system (which, again, was pushed for primarily by Blairites) was precisely to "broaden the debate out beyond the party".
Sure, you'll get a few idiots who purposely vote for who they think would be an election-loser. But what's the problem with people like Mike Smithson having a vote (who has said he wants a strong opposition for the good of the country so will be voting for who he thinks is best)?
To vote, you have to agree to the aims and values of the Labour Party. If you don't support the party and it aims and you join then it's under false pretences so you should be barred from voting.
Weate.
Agree, but you can't blame me for kicking him out.
Not at all, well within your rights; I do however feel the 'subverting democracy' label is unfair, as while an election is technically taking place, I don't know that term is applicable with what is merely the internal process of a private club.
I'd take issue with that. If you actively oppose the aims and principles of an organisation (which he does based on his Twitter feed) then you have no business joining it just to harm it. There may be edge cases where the organisation is so bad that you feel it is morally justifiable, but mainstream UK political parties don't qualify. It's childish, petty, dishonest and democratically bankrupt.
Childish, petty and dishonest, I'll grant you. But I cannot on the last. The party presumably don't have to allow members or the public any vote at all on their leadership, they can be as internally dictatorial or just plain bananas as they want, and they've currently chosen a method open to some (probably small) level of manipulation; democracy as a concept is not hurt because a club as silly rules. You obviously feel strongly that people should not join an organisation just to harm it, and that's a fine, principled position...but there is no wider harm if the rules do permit it, just embarrassment for that club.
I still don't understand the problem with having non-Labour supporters voting in the leadership election. The whole point of the system (which, again, was pushed for primarily by Blairites) was precisely to "broaden the debate out beyond the party".
Sure, you'll get a few idiots who purposely vote for who they think would be an election-loser. But what's the problem with people like Mike Smithson having a vote (who has said he wants a strong opposition for the good of the country so will be voting for who he thinks is best)?
To vote, you have to agree to the aims and values of the Labour Party. If you don't support the party and it aims and you join then it's under false pretences so you should be barred from voting.
Well sure, but it's incumbent upon the members of a club to check the credentials of those who wish to join the club, and as you say expel those that don't meet the requirements.
Unless actual laws are being broken, I cannot summon up any major outrage even if I don't intend to partake in the opportunity to vote in the Labour leadership election myself; it's not subverting democracy (and Tory entryists will surely be low in number I'd have thought), it's messing with the rules of a private club, essentially - it's not something to applaud people for, but it's not morally reprehensible either, if Labour or any other party want to exercise strict control over who can vote in their internal processes they can have a tighter system, plow resources into sifting out obvious troublemakers, or accept some messing around as the price for reaching out to and engaging with the wider electorate.
Agree, but you can't blame me for kicking him out.
Not at all, well within your rights; I do however feel the 'subverting democracy' label is unfair, as while an election is technically taking place, I don't know that term is applicable with what is merely the internal process of a private club.
I'd take issue with that. If you actively oppose the aims and principles of an organisation (which he does based on his Twitter feed) then you have no business joining it just to harm it. There may be edge cases where the organisation is so bad that you feel it is morally justifiable, but mainstream UK political parties don't qualify. It's childish, petty, dishonest and democratically bankrupt.
I felt good sending off the email to the party.
I can't stop him registering under a false name, but on the upside at least I'm not him, reduced to that sort of juvenile nonsense.
Well if Labour cared so much about that they should have had a 6 month minimum membership rule before being able to receive a ballot
Pulpstar will not be able to bet on the colour of Jezzas tie thats a fact
I was a bit concerned having fairly unelectable (For the GE) Jezza in charge of Labour could be bad for democracy - but those concerns are now gone as he's my biggest winner.
Pulps- to answer your question earlier- I don't know who I'm voting for. I'm conflicted. I wanted Chuka initially.
If I had a vote in the Labour leadership campaign, I'd have to vote for Cooper, for the most sensible of reasons - her choice of biscuit. Though I have to say Nick Clegg's answer was spot on with my own, which is presumably why I gave him so much benefit of the doubt.
Agreed - that would normally have disqualified her for my theoretical vote by cancelling out the positive of her biscuit choice, but the failure of the others to answer appropriately leaves her the winner by default.
Also, I see from the piece that Cameron started the Mumsnet political engagement trend. I wonder if he regrets that or not.
If Hertsmere wants to take part in the Labour Leadership vote, then he has every right to!
Not under the rules he doesn't. He doesn't support the aims of the party.
I think you're probably some troll, rather than genuinely anything to do with Hertsmere CLP.
Think what you like. I have gone to the effort of finding out his real name and reporting him. Why you think I wouldn't do that I don't know. I also happen to be the membership secretary so it wasn't hard to cross reference. It was the right thing to do.
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I've reported your name to the Labour Party in my role as Hertsmere Membership Secretary.
Tories should NOT be voting in Labour elections. I feel very strongly about this.
You should be ashamed of yourself. It's a perversion of democracy.
Monty
It's down to your own party's damn fool fault for allowing this.
I find it genuinely disgusting.
I'm a believer in democracy before anything else and any action that tries to subvert democracy is wrong.
Sure, you'll get a few idiots who purposely vote for who they think would be an election-loser. But what's the problem with people like Mike Smithson having a vote (who has said he wants a strong opposition for the good of the country so will be voting for who he thinks is best)?
They are all going to be voting for the loony left candidate Corbyn.
Nice. Again, I find it appalling that people think that's ok.
Could buy at least a sandwich and drink with that...
I like politicians that speak their mind and not ones that have come out of the focussed group sausage factory.
IIRC OGH has also joined Labour (happy to be corrected if I'm wrong), are you going to report him as well?
Methinks you're all piss and wind about this.
If you don't support the party and it aims and you join then it's under false pretences so you should be barred from voting.
Very simple.
People who take drugs choose to harm themselves. Drug dealers facilitate that.
People who drive too fast choose to potentially harm people other than themselves.
I'm no angel on both counts. But having both driven too fast and been worse for wear on drugs, I know I'm far more likely to kill someone speeding than I am stoned.
Interestingly I'm sure it was the Freakomomics guys who worked out that you are nine times more likely to come to harm walking home pissed than you are driving home pissed! If that's true it's a fab fact.
329 Tory MPs to stand as leader in that scenario
You replied: Great isn't it: *gets popcorn in*
You are busted mate.
Could have had 4 votes for Jezza for less though
To be honest, since having kids I've become much more concerned about speeding drivers. I went on a speed awareness course and they showed that infamous video of a road by a school (30mph limit) and surveyed 1000 cars. A handful drove at over 70mph. About 30% were within the legal limit.
It was a bit scary.
It looked like a busy, tight street where 25mph was a sensible speed.
Made me think a bit.
I only drive during school hours now after three litres of Frosty Jacks. Not six.
Polling undertaken for an independent review being led by Jon Cruddas, the Labour MP and former coordinator of the party’s 2015 manifesto, shows Britain’s voters do not back an anti-austerity message but instead believe the country must live within its means and make cutting the deficit its top priority.
The findings, given to the Guardian, are likely to make difficult reading for those that say Labour’s path to electoral recovery lies in the party adopting a stronger anti-austerity stance than in the run-up to this year’s election.....
.....The polling shows that 56% of those surveyed agree, and just 16% disagree, with the statement: “We must live within our means, so cutting the deficit is the top priority.”
Of those surveyed who voted for the Conservatives at the 2015 election, 84% agreed with the statement and virtually none disagreed. Amongst Labour voters 32% agreed while 34% disagreed. Ukip and Liberal Democrat voters agreed in proportions of 63% and 58% respectively.
http://bit.ly/1E6Drvn
My MP is proud organizer of that campaign
We can now report HMS Erebus as been found ;-)
From an episode of the West Wing in 2000, "The Portland Trip" This is like an inverse example of that.
Unless actual laws are being broken, I cannot summon up any major outrage even if I don't intend to partake in the opportunity to vote in the Labour leadership election myself; it's not subverting democracy (and Tory entryists will surely be low in number I'd have thought), it's messing with the rules of a private club, essentially - it's not something to applaud people for, but it's not morally reprehensible either, if Labour or any other party want to exercise strict control over who can vote in their internal processes they can have a tighter system, plow resources into sifting out obvious troublemakers, or accept some messing around as the price for reaching out to and engaging with the wider electorate.
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Just because it is easy to try and break something, that doesn't make it ok.
You should have waited until you take the direct debit before making that post.
Still time to cancel it and sign up in a mate's name.
You "win".
Half in the how do we deselect Perkins camp
Quarter in the we hate Kendall but leave Toby alone camp
20% took bat home
5% support Kendall.
Going to be difficult reconciling
If I were a Tory I wold be "pissin me sen"
villageLabour Party to save it!"You may have some spoilers, but you get the benefit of greater engagement from neutrals or sympathisers. The benefits and downsides are well-known. I like open primaries because the benefits outweigh the risks.
Labour want to run an open primary, but only want the advantages and not the possible downsides.
IMO, Monty would be better advised to put forward positive arguments for his favoured candidates than behaving like a secret policeman.
I'm fully expecting the EU referendum to tear the Tory party apart. We depose Dave and elect Liam Fox and then you can piss yourself at us.
Finally the allegations around Ted Heath have leaked into the mainstream. I'm surprised at the muted reaction. You could have read about them years ago in the alternative media. Why anyone follows the msm who savagely cut any investigative journalism I don't know! The future is clearly with the likes of exaro who are doing a wonderful job in investigating all the misdemeanors committed by the establishment. And no surprise is the photos circulating around mr so vile and Mr Heath. Now it's time to cross the rubicon and expose those members of the establishment who are alive and have been involved in these vile crimes. Any casual reading of the alternative media and you can go out and find names mentioned. ......
It's childish, petty, dishonest and democratically bankrupt.
I felt good sending off the email to the party.
I can't stop him registering under a false name, but on the upside at least I'm not him, reduced to that sort of juvenile nonsense.
"She has two problems:emails and females - the latter are disappearing fast while the former refuses to do so."
They didn't complain when I took part in 2010 and voted for Ed M.
"I want to see all those who committed war crimes tried for it..."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11775359/How-every-politician-has-answered-Mumsnets-favourite-biscuit-question-since-2009.html
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/595881/Ladesfield-Care-Home-migrant-crisis-Kent-Council-immigrants-asylum-Dover-Calais
He doesn't support the aims of the party.
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/#/politics/market/1.103946886
"It will be 100ft from a nursery, primary school and Age UK centre and we know nothing about the people who'll be in there."
He hasn't tried to say different either once found out.
That's why I reported him.
Jezza has convinced me as a conviction politician.
I think that you're a bit sore that he may win and you don't like it.
I even ticked the box that says Yes i support the aims of the Labour Party.
Also, I see from the piece that Cameron started the Mumsnet political engagement trend. I wonder if he regrets that or not.
Why you think I wouldn't do that I don't know. I also happen to be the membership secretary so it wasn't hard to cross reference.
It was the right thing to do.