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Panelbase polled Scots & Rest of UK (RUK) voters
66% of Scots would vote to REMAIN in the EU
51% of RUK voters would vote to LEAVE the EU
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Perhaps the whole of the UK should vote by AV in a 6-option referendum. Then there can be further kerfufflements if Scotland votes for an option different from the rest of the UK.
Hmm, well it’s a theory I guess. – And who will lead this Tartan tactical army, Gen Thimbron?
So the question for the SNP should be, what do you care about more - keeping Scotland in the EU or leaving the United Kingdom? If it is the former then I suggest the SNP stay out of the EU referendum, apart from encouraging their own voters to vote to stay in the EU.
Please try and keep up.
A clear and unequivocal sign of a Scottish Labour surge.
As an aside; Who'd have thought we'd see another 'Thatcher government' in any of our lifetimes? All the nasty little prejudices that made them pariahs all these years are back with a vengiance.
It's 1983 all over again. An enfeebled Labour party destroyed from within have allowed the Wooden Horse of Consevatism back. How Steve Hilton fooled us all....
Labour change the rules to make leadership elections fairer. They then end up with a candidate that might win that they don't like. As a result they call for the election to be stopped .
Seriously? I mean seriously? They are so fecked.......
MPs in plot to scrap leadership race as Corbyn pulls ahead in two polls: Panic spreads through party amid fears hard-left MP could win . Senior Labour MP said he is gathering support for move to stop contest
Jeremy Corbyn's odds to be next leader have reduced from 100/1 to 5/1
Canvassing support for a 'petition letter' to be sent to acting leader
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3166835/MPs-plot-scrap-leadership-race-Corbyn-pulls-ahead-two-polls-Panic-spreads-party-amid-fears-hard-left-MP-win.html
Little Englanders have rights too you know and the last time I checked had a vote as well as the right to cast it as they saw fit. Democracy I think it's called?
As to who would have thought we would see another government like the current one, that would be 36.1% of the electorate, or putting it another way, 7.1% more than wanted to see another Footite Labour government.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3166617/BBC-s-gravy-train-1st-class-way-Feckless-Corporation-pleading-poverty-face-cuts-wastes-millions-luxury-travel-celebrity-bashes-OVERPAYING-staff.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/11747759/If-you-can-walk-do-you-need-a-mobility-scooter.html
"We have more scooters than any other country in Europe. .... What’s worse, they do not have to be insured, so that, often, when they send pedestrians flying – the elderly and children are vulnerable – scooter owners cannot afford to pay the damages. No testing is required and, incredibly, some drivers can’t even see properly. .......
But other users are capable of walking, though they may be overweight, otherwise unhealthy, or what the Scots call “daftees”. They use a scooter because when they walk they get tired and out-of-breath, and they prefer to sit down, open the throttle and feel the breeze in their hair (maybe smoking a fag, like someone in that TV programme).
This is not a particularly sensible approach to bad health, or a good use of public money, in those cases where the machines are subsidised. (A top-of-the-line model with alloy wheels etc comes in at £6,500.) I wonder if it's a sign of our society's decadence.
Sitting down all the time makes you ill. According to the NHS website, it weakens the body’s ability to regulate blood sugar, blood pressure and the break-down of body fat, and increases the risk of diabetes and cancer."
Labour does have a way back but it needs to face a few facts. The Jeremy surge suggests it won't.
If you allow the Dave Sparts to re-surface, you're doomed. You know them, the ones who know better than anyone else, the fifteen-year-olds who lecture the rest of us on how our thinking is wrong. The ones who know that everyone who disagrees eats babies because they've seen evidence hidden from the rest of us.
It doesn't convince. There are two responses.
Either ... "Ah, bless, I was fifteen once." or "Here's sixpence, now run along to the pictures and leave the grown-up in peace."
"They sound much the same to me."
That's because I'm polite.
I suspect Burnham may be the choice but Liz could make the floating voters listen more.
https://twitter.com/lowerhouses/status/622669385220681728/photo/1
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3166177/Britain-s-jealous-woman-used-100-000-benefits-buy-THREE-X-box-consoles-husband-away-women.html
She even has a syndrome now to blame it on.
Bravo to the Sun for their outing of the royal Nazi salute film. I have to confess that I didn't see a British tabloid would be so brave so quickly after all the phone hacking scandals. The full story of the abdication crisis had never been told, we may as well make a start even if it is 79 years late! And then to today's Sun headline. Whoever the former labour minister and senor mp is, I'm sure that man will be feeling quite a few more degrees insecure about the future compared to 24 hours ago.
This poll predates the show of nastiness with Greece, the breakdown in EU solidarity and the flimsiness of EU promises to the UK. I suspect the next EU poll will be a shocker.
7.1/29.0 = 24.5% so it was 24.5% more than those who wanted to see another Footite Labour government.
Who other than a die-hard Kipper who was already voting Out will be changing votes based on that?
Whilst there is no doubt issues over the EU financial model whatever date you predict it will happen is v unlikely to occur, given your track record...
It is curious that the term "Little England" is used as a term of abuse by those on the left, as it emerged to criticise those who opposed colonialism and empire. Personally, I believe in my country enough that it could survive both inside and outside of the EU. Of course, we seem to be doing a much better job of ecinomic management than the EU is doing. The real danger is that our superior judgment is now perpetually outvoted by the Eurogroup, now they agree a position beforehand, and the European Council just rubber stamps it.
How did the pariahs keep getting re-elected?
I'm sure Nicola will be happy to extend citizenship to any tax resident paying tax on their worldwide income....
Kendall doesn't have the profile, experience, or the gravitas for the activist base (or indeed the members) to sacrifice their left-wing beliefs, and vote for her Blairism. I think antifrank made an excellent point, when he said that the Labour leadership candidates have mistakenly framed their more moderate approaches (in comparison to Corbyn) as compromises with the electorate, as opposed to being principled moderates. I think the contest has exposed not only a lack of ideas within Labour, but a genuine fear to standout or be divisive in anyway, from Burnham and Cooper - for fear of losing preference votes. So, I'm not surprised that even most Labour MPs are bored with the contest. I don't even know whether it's really worth watching the Sunday Politics debate today.
Labourlist did an interesting article, in which they queried whether the activist base is more left-wing than members. I suspect that it is, and I think that Burnham is most likely the leading candidate overall. I don't think that Burnham will win a GE - but he is obviously a more preferable leader than Corbyn, who I think in the event of being elected would probably resign within 1-2 years anyway - I do get the feeling, as the NS reports that Corbyn's bid is not a genuine one, but an attempt to move the debate leftwards within Labour. What I think any of the candidates bar Corbyn can do, is make some progress on the 2015 result. I think Cooper would be the best choice for Labour, and it's still possible, but clearly many activists are too interested in opting for what makes them 'feel good', as opposed to what helps Labour. In some ways, I don't blame Blair for reducing their influence of the very Left of the party, when seeing their behavior.
http://sunnation.co/6014BDvCQ
Please don't play Guess Who or even draw up a shortlist of possible candidates. The risk of libel is far too high.
"The report, Listening to Labour’s Lost Voters, adds: “Suffice to say that the brand of Labour has been damaged massively by these voters’ inability to perceive him as a capable and competent prime minister. Their image of Labour as a political party with a leader that was open to derision clouded all their thinking about a renewed Labour party and what Labour needs from its next leader. These voters really struggled to imagine a Labour party with a strong, confident leader in the future.”
Isn t this a rather long winded way of saying what we all knew EICAWNBPM and additionally LACAWSTFSGETBMP (Labour are crap and will struggle to find someone good enough to be PM)
Since In is more likley to win they should be voting Out.
http://www.panelbase.com/media/polls/W7181w1st.pdf
The answer is no. Article 1(3) of the Decision, which is plainly inconsistent with article 1(2) thereof, provides that:The decision entered into force as soon as it was notified (see article 5). Thus the promise of a future change in EU law in article 1(2) is a paper tiger, since the European Commission has the power to advance funds before we are indemnified from liability. Once again, Cameron has settled for a political agreement, albeit one dressed up as legally binding. This is before one even addresses the vexed question of whether or not article 1(2) is in any event unenforceable as repugnant to article 125 TFEU, which prohibits the Union assuming liability for the financial obligations of member states.
I wonder if it's possible for a country to be part in and part out of the EU? Jersey and Greenland are the two possible precedents that spring to mind, though neither is a perfect, or even very good, analogy.
I've seen World at War, although not all the episodes. I think the episode I most remember seeing was on the North Africa campaign. When I was doing Germany for GCSE History, they showed some of the episodes in class. I think it was shortly after Chamberlain's 'peace for our time' declaration when the public began to distrust Hitler.
ha ha ha you really don;t get it do you. Good luck ever winning again if you lot think Corbyn or anything in that direction is in any way going to appeal to ordinary people.
Ordinary people who have to cram onto a bus because £50K isn't enough for unionised tube drivers to work nights. Ordinary people who having worked all their life don't want the taxman to stop their children inheriting the family home. Ordinary people who don't think it's unreasonable for doctors on £100K+ to be available outside of "working hours".
Ha ha ha
I think the main reason for the Scotland v rUK differential is the Scots leaning left with the rUK leaning right. The SNP party machine are currently very anti tactical voting at Holyrood 2016 and I would think the EU ref as well, its the weaker parties who are clinging to that banner. As we get closer to Holyrood 2016 and the EU ref the messaging may change if there's a major fall off in SNP support.
In terms of the Panelbase Holyrood 2016 poll, this pre dates the budget, which given the impact on the majority of voters will no doubt impact on these numbers. As ever the Greens are the wild card in Holyrood and if they can get over 10% on the list vote that will eat into Labour and the LibDems numbers of seats - the Tories at around 15% are lucky that their geographical distribution of support will save a few constituency seats and get them a pretty stable number of list seats.
Looking at what happened to Lord McAlpine that's a very dangerous path down which to tread - if the paper has sufficient evidence they should publish the name and pass their files to the police.
The answer is no. Article 1(3) of the Decision, which is plainly inconsistent with article 1(2) thereof, provides that:The decision entered into force as soon as it was notified (see article 5). Thus the promise of a future change in EU law in article 1(2) is a paper tiger, since the European Commission has the power to advance funds before we are indemnified from liability. Once again, Cameron has settled for a political agreement, albeit one dressed up as legally binding. This is before one even addresses the vexed question of whether or not article 1(2) is in any event unenforceable as repugnant to article 125 TFEU, which prohibits the Union assuming liability for the financial obligations of member states.As much as you try and be an internet lawyer on this subject constantly quoting one misinterpretation of the law and then another to show what happens next (before moving onto a new one) you've been shown to be wrong here. Even when it explicitly says you're wrong, you keep this internet lawyer meme nonsense up. I don't know who you think you're trying to impress?
Or how that disproves what I said. I don't think any swing voters who hadn't made their mind up will have their minds made up by a decision that explicitly shows us to be protected but an Internet Lawyer decides he knows better and we're not.
Mr. Observer, when's the vote? And is that a straightforward (ahem) theoretical Unilateral Declaration of Independence if they win the election?
Bit of a pointless gesture if they haven't.
As it happens I think recent polling shows SNP voters as most EUsceptic, so I the In campaign will have to concentrate on those who recently voted for dependency.
There you go again roping everyone into "it's what I think so everyone else does as well" . You consistently do this with no evidence as do all left leaning commentators. It's a trait.
it's not black an white and they have other views on inheritance as they do for tube drivers as they just see them as the unions. Meanwhile commuters don't all live in London. They commute hundreds of miles daily so they certainly have an interest. Just stand on a commuter train and listen.