It would appear that labour is still stuck in the same debate about 'equality of outcome' which was practised by GB and seems to be the choice of Corbyn, Burnham and Cooper; and 'equality of opportunity' which may be the choice of Kendall and seems to have been the choice of the electorate at the GE. This choice of course excepts the OAPs and disabled.
I do not see it resolving that debate in a constructive manner, whilst it continues to ignore the reality of globalisation.
I think Cooper and Burnham are in-between, remember they were both in Blair's Cabinet too, Kendall is an out-and -out Blairite, Corbyn opposed Blair and is opposed to Blairism
I find it very disappointing that people still refer to isms - e.g Blairism and Thatcherism. The world has moved on a lot since those two and we need to be free of any -ism and have defined policies that are fit for the 2020s. If we do not then people are not thinking correctly.
Maybe, but it is inevitable. The 2001 Tory leadership contest (taking place after a second defeat, as Labour's contest is now) could be done in the same way. Davis and IDS out-and-out Thatcherites, Ancram and Portillo somewhat Thatcherite but not entirely so, Clarke opposed Thatcher in 1990 and opposed to Thatcherism.
The Blair legacy has as much influence on Labour now as Thatcher did on the Tories in the 90s and early noughties. Of course just as Labour only won when they elected a leader who accepted much of Thatcher's legacy, Blair, so the Tories only won when they elected a leader who accepted much of Blair's legacy, Cameron!
Indeed, Thatcher for most of her premiership could be relatively pragmatic, however by the end with the poll tax and her anti EU stance she became more ideological and after she was toppled she ensured anyone who tried to lead the Tories who did not fully match that ideology, Heseltine and Clarke, would not become leader, and only 'true disciples' Hague, IDS, Howard took the leadership. (Major she also thought a disciple and got him the leadership in 1990 as a result but when she found him too wishy/washy she switched to Redwood in 1995). It was only once Cameron became a leader who could be acceptable enough to Thatcherites while also moderate enough to win the middle and accept the Blair legacy that the Tories found a winner!
Rolls Royce and the NHS will have large gender equality paygaps. The correct approach is then obviously to encourage more women to become doctors and engineers.
Even law firms may not look great as more women head into the 'lower paying than commercial' family law areas.
Women aren't interested in being engineers, they are interested in being doctors as reflected in the increasing numbers as it is a caring profession. The more 'liberal' a society the higher the level of gender segregation in employment as women become free to pursue careers they are interested in. Forcing women to become engineers is very lefty authoritarian.
Noone is forcing anyone to do anything. I use the word 'encourage', I'm not a fan of forced state 'affirmative action'.
Meanwhile, away from pb's newfound hostility to gathering statistics, Survation have published some Scottish polling which doesn't seem to have had much discussion:
NumbrCrunchrPolitics @NCPoliticsUK · 2h2 hours ago Survation/Daily Mail (Holyrood seat):
SNP 56 (+2) CON 14 (+1) LAB 20 (-4) LIB 7 (+2) OTH 4 (=)
3rd-7th July N=1,046
Survation/Daily Mail (Holyrood list):
SNP 45 (=) CON 12 (+1) LAB 19 (-2) LIB 8 (+2) UKIP 5 (=) GRN 11 (+1)
3rd-7th July N=1,046
Labour continue their glissando.
Interesting the SNP doing much worse on the list and the Greens better. At the moment the SNP will win a comfortable majority, but if things tighten next year post Scotland Bill, new Labour leader, concerns over indyref 2 etc and there is tactical voting by unionists on the Holyrood constituency seat level it could end up being an SNP minority backed by the Greens
Why on earth do you think the figures are automatically going to be misleading?
Because it starts from: "David Cameron will say the move will "pressure" firms into boosting women's wages, as he vows to eliminate the gender pay gap "within a generation". There is no gender pay gap for women under 40ish. There is a "time out of the work-force" pay gap, or a "useful work experience" pay gap. So the whole thing starts from a misleading use of statistics.
(Edit) There may well be a lingering left over from discrimination in the past amongst older women, that is a problem that has already been solved - we can't change the past(/edit)
And from the current reports medium to large firms are going to have to report average pay for men and women. There's nothing about "in the same jobs, with the same qualifications and experience, working full time" in the reports. Comparing the average pay of the mostly part-time, mostly female cleaners at Rolls Royce to the mostly male, mostly full-time engineers (as an example) is not going to tell us anything helpful, but as others have pointed out will lead to yet another round of "something must be done".
It would appear that labour is still stuck in the same debate about 'equality of outcome' which was practised by GB and seems to be the choice of Corbyn, Burnham and Cooper; and 'equality of opportunity' which may be the choice of Kendall and seems to have been the choice of the electorate at the GE. This choice of course excepts the OAPs and disabled.
I do not see it resolving that debate in a constructive manner, whilst it continues to ignore the reality of globalisation.
I think Cooper and Burnham are in-between, remember they were both in Blair's Cabinet too, Kendall is an out-and -out Blairite, Corbyn opposed Blair and is opposed to Blairism
I find it very disappointing that people still refer to isms - e.g Blairism and Thatcherism. The world has moved on a lot since those two and we need to be free of any -ism and have defined policies that are fit for the 2020s. If we do not then people are not thinking correctly.
Maybe, but it is inevitable. The 2001 Tory leadership contest (taking place after a second defeat, as Labour's contest is now) could be done in the same way. Davis and IDS out-and-out Thatcherites, Ancram and Portillo somewhat Thatcherite but not entirely so, Clarke opposed Thatcher in 1990 and opposed to Thatcherism.
The Blair legacy has as much influence on Labour now as Thatcher did on the Tories in the 90s and early noughties. Of course just as Labour only won when they elected a leader who accepted much of Thatcher's legacy, Blair, so the Tories only won when they elected a leader who accepted much of Blair's legacy, Cameron!
Blairism in his early years was also more liberal left, but he became more rightwing over his premiership on issues like Iraq, public service choice and links to the super rich. The likes of Corbyn were always opposed to Blair, and Kendall represents the views of latter years Blair, but while Burnham and Cooper are left of latter years Blair they are not that far off the views of early years Blair, if still probably closer to John Smith than Blair
Another bit of BT anecdata - in about 2005 there were fewer female engineers at BT's research labs than all the ethnic minorities added together.
Given there were about 4000 highly qualified engineers there - many of them under 30 - that was quite a surprising stat. There simply weren't enough females completing courses at the required level - I hope this is starting to change.
As an environment - well the cast of Big Bang would be entirely at home, except Penny.
Rolls Royce and the NHS will have large gender equality paygaps. The correct approach is then obviously to encourage more women to become doctors and engineers.
Even law firms may not look great as more women head into the 'lower paying than commercial' family law areas.
Women aren't interested in being engineers, they are interested in being doctors as reflected in the increasing numbers as it is a caring profession. The more 'liberal' a society the higher the level of gender segregation in employment as women become free to pursue careers they are interested in. Forcing women to become engineers is very lefty authoritarian.
Noone is forcing anyone to do anything. I use the word 'encourage', I'm not a fan of forced state 'affirmative action'.
There's nothing about "in the same jobs, with the same qualifications and experience, working full time" in the reports.
Don't you think that "in the same jobs, with the same qualifications and experience, working full time" begs some important questions about why women aren't in the same jobs with the same qualifications and experience working full time? Those questions need to be looked at too.
Comparing the average pay of the mostly part-time mostly female cleaners at Rolls Royce to the mostly male mostly full-time engineers (as an example) is not going to tell us anything helpful."
It would. It would tell us that we have a systematic problem of not inspiring young women to go into engineering.
@Alanbrooke I didn't know that, that's positive at any rate. @Antifrank Yep ! @SeanF Women are more inclined towards the legal aid side of family too (My evidence is vaguely anecdotal on that) though. The lower renumeration just follows through from that.
Has a politican ever taken a vow of silence? I'm only about a third of the way through this but it seems like the only way anyone could persuade the voters to elect Burnham or Cooper to be on the news every day for five years.
It seems like a no-brainer to me that they should pick Kendall, but I almost feel like Corbyn woud be more electable than Burnham.
It bought the South London shop premises in 1951 for about £3,000.
But it has benefited from the boom in the capital's property prices, with the value of its assets increasing by £400,000 in a single year, according to its accounts. 'Not a charity'
Media spokesman Adam Buick, who joined the Socialist Party of Great Britain in 1962, said he saw no contradiction between its socialist beliefs and its capitalist windfall.
"We live in a capitalist society and you need money to survive in a capitalist society," he told BBC News.
"We are not a charity, we are not giving it away to the poor, we are using it to propagate the case for socialism."
There's nothing about "in the same jobs, with the same qualifications and experience, working full time" in the reports.
Don't you think that "in the same jobs, with the same qualifications and experience, working full time" begs some important questions about why women aren't in the same jobs with the same qualifications and experience working full time? Those questions need to be looked at too.
Comparing the average pay of the mostly part-time mostly female cleaners at Rolls Royce to the mostly male mostly full-time engineers (as an example) is not going to tell us anything helpful."
It would. It would tell us that we have a systematic problem of not inspiring young women to go into engineering.
No I don't. Many women choose not to take the same jobs, experience and qualifications as men - that is their choice.
For those that do, absolutely the pay should be the same.
There's nothing about "in the same jobs, with the same qualifications and experience, working full time" in the reports.
Don't you think that "in the same jobs, with the same qualifications and experience, working full time" begs some important questions about why women aren't in the same jobs with the same qualifications and experience working full time? Those questions need to be looked at too.
Comparing the average pay of the mostly part-time mostly female cleaners at Rolls Royce to the mostly male mostly full-time engineers (as an example) is not going to tell us anything helpful."
It would. It would tell us that we have a systematic problem of not inspiring young women to go into engineering.
No I don't. Many women choose not to take the same jobs, experience and qualifications as men - that is their choice.
For those that do, absolutely the pay should be the same.
I prefer to make the most of the resources that we have. If we are not inspiring women enough, we need to do better.
I do think the Govt should have proceeded with the Hunting Act vote and drawn the SNP on this. It would have been helpful in the wider EVEL refashioning, and been the first real evidence to E&W voters of what might have been had the 2015 GE result been different.
By withdrawing the vote, it looks like rank amateurism on the Govt's part, for naively assuming that the SNP would be good eggs on this, and/or not measuring the balance of opinion in Tory ranks.
Has a politican ever taken a vow of silence? I'm only about a third of the way through this but it seems like the only way anyone could persuade the voters to elect Burnham or Cooper to be on the news every day for five years.
It seems like a no-brainer to me that they should pick Kendall, but I almost feel like Corbyn woud be more electable than Burnham.
That poll measures net favourability, ie those with a positive view of a candidate compared to those with a negative view, so is less prone to name recognition. The fact Corbyn had the most negative score amongst the public as a whole is not that surprising!
So far, beyond Twitterati - I've seen very few concerned about the fate of Reynard - but very many annoyed by the SNP over this stunt/pleased to see their true colours.
Most aren't being taken in by the fox-hunting angle and see it for what it is. And EVEL is winning about 10:1.
The bigger the fuss the SNP makes the better AFAIC - it just strengthens the case for full EVEL.
Thought- (although I'm probably massively overestimating the government here), but could this whole scenario been brought about just to strengthen the argument for EVEL?
Rolls Royce and the NHS will have large gender equality paygaps. The correct approach is then obviously to encourage more women to become doctors and engineers.
Even law firms may not look great as more women head into the 'lower paying than commercial' family law areas.
Law firms don't look particularly great.
They have no problems with the recruitment of women as junior staff but they have serious problems with the retention of female staff. Unlike, I suspect, most of those on the thread getting hot under the collar, I've had to think directly about this as a problem in some depth. Making more family-friendly arrangements helps, as does mentoring of talented women. But lawyers have a long way to go yet.
Agreed. I've had to think about this issue too and getting more information is very helpful. The fact that statistics can be misunderstood and/or misused should not be used as a reason for not collecting the information and analysing and thinking about it sensibly.
At a previous employer we did something similar and it was quite eye-opening: on every single measure women lost out (and this was not as a result of taking time out for maternity leave). Once people realised this they started taking measures to address the issues. The men - and it was a heavily make environment - had assumed that there wasn't a problem and were a bit shocked to find that their assumptions were not backed by the evidence.
I do think the Govt should have proceeded with the Hunting Act vote and drawn the SNP on this. It would have been helpful in the wider EVEL refashioning, and been the first real evidence to E&W voters of what might have been had the 2015 GE result been different.
By withdrawing the vote, it looks like rank amateurism on the Govt's part, for naively assuming that the SNP would be good eggs on this, and/or not measuring the balance of opinion in Tory ranks.
@IsabelOakeshott: Looks like Sturgeon just walked straight in2 Tory leadership trap.DC not humilated - has lost nothing yet. SNP just highlighted case 4 EVEL
Morning all. Are we going to see shortly the crossover between Lab and Con in Scotland?
Many congratulations to @sandyrentool on his OU graduation!
Based on Curtice's figures seems more likely crossover between the Tories and Greens in Scotland, with UKIP also gaining a seat. Labour are further ahead of the Tories than the Tories are ahead of the Greens
@NCPoliticsUK: .@MSmithsonPB - several polling websites were easy to hack until Lord Ashcroft's Scottish polling got distributed by SNP supporters #PMV2015
There's nothing about "in the same jobs, with the same qualifications and experience, working full time" in the reports.
Don't you think that "in the same jobs, with the same qualifications and experience, working full time" begs some important questions about why women aren't in the same jobs with the same qualifications and experience working full time? Those questions need to be looked at too.
Comparing the average pay of the mostly part-time mostly female cleaners at Rolls Royce to the mostly male mostly full-time engineers (as an example) is not going to tell us anything helpful."
It would. It would tell us that we have a systematic problem of not inspiring young women to go into engineering.
No I don't. Many women choose not to take the same jobs, experience and qualifications as men - that is their choice.
For those that do, absolutely the pay should be the same.
I prefer to make the most of the resources that we have. If we are not inspiring women enough, we need to do better.
Of course we should be inspiring women. We should also be inspiring men.
There's some things you simply can't do anything about though. Some people chose for instance that they don't want to work in certain circumstances. eg my wife who'd worked full time from starting work until maternity leave started has made the decision not to return to work while our daughter is of pre-school age. Should she not have the right to make that choice? She sees no point in paying for childcare when she'd rather do it herself and wants to be pregnant again and we can afford to live off one income. That decision isn't for everyone but it is for some - so is that decision unacceptable?
@IsabelOakeshott: Looks like Sturgeon just walked straight in2 Tory leadership trap.DC not humilated - has lost nothing yet. SNP just highlighted case 4 EVEL
@NCPoliticsUK: .@MSmithsonPB - several polling websites were easy to hack until Lord Ashcroft's Scottish polling got distributed by SNP supporters #PMV2015
Hm, if they are just guessing a URL to get access, that isn't hacking!
Thought- (although I'm probably massively overestimating the government here), but could this whole scenario been brought about just to strengthen the argument for EVEL?
No.
However the government in the last few hours wanted the cause célèbre on EVEL to be something a little divisive than Fox Hunting
@NCPoliticsUK: .@MSmithsonPB - several polling websites were easy to hack until Lord Ashcroft's Scottish polling got distributed by SNP supporters #PMV2015
Hm, if they are just guessing a URL to get access, that isn't hacking!
Thought- (although I'm probably massively overestimating the government here), but could this whole scenario been brought about just to strengthen the argument for EVEL?
No.
However the government in the last few hours wanted the cause célèbre on EVEL to be something a little divisive than Fox Hunting
True, not ideal. But given the SNPs love of harping on about 'consequentials', there are probably very few that actually fall into a truly English-only category.
I do think the Govt should have proceeded with the Hunting Act vote and drawn the SNP on this. It would have been helpful in the wider EVEL refashioning, and been the first real evidence to E&W voters of what might have been had the 2015 GE result been different.
By withdrawing the vote, it looks like rank amateurism on the Govt's part, for naively assuming that the SNP would be good eggs on this, and/or not measuring the balance of opinion in Tory ranks.
Omnishambles returns...?
"Vulpinishambles" anyone?
No point in forcing the point any further than achieved, especially when opinion polls (if you trust them) show the majority of English voters back fox hunting bans.
Has a politican ever taken a vow of silence? I'm only about a third of the way through this but it seems like the only way anyone could persuade the voters to elect Burnham or Cooper to be on the news every day for five years.
It seems like a no-brainer to me that they should pick Kendall, but I almost feel like Corbyn woud be more electable than Burnham.
That poll measures net favourability, ie those with a positive view of a candidate compared to those with a negative view, so is less prone to name recognition. The fact Corbyn had the most negative score amongst the public as a whole is not that surprising!
There's no good way to poll opinions on people the voters couldn't pick out of a line-up. Do a focus group, sure, but the polling is useless.
Thought- (although I'm probably massively overestimating the government here), but could this whole scenario been brought about just to strengthen the argument for EVEL?
No.
However the government in the last few hours wanted the cause célèbre on EVEL to be something a little divisive than Fox Hunting
True, not ideal. But given the SNPs love of harping on about 'consequentials', there are probably very few that actually fall into a truly English-only category.
Dave should go for the nuclear option. If the SNP vote on English only legislation Dave should instruct the Bank of England to rename the pound the Longshank and put pictures of Margaret Thatcher and England winning the 1966 and 2003 world cups on all bank notes.
He should also remove Scottish banks ability to print monopoly Scottish notes.
I believe that it is still quite hard for a man to get the post of a nanny and certainly I believe that in many primary schools that male teachers have become a rarity? Are there many male teachers in girls-only schools or women teachers in boys-only schools.
Also in a partnership, do most women still expect the man to be the 'provider' as I have seen in some divorce cases that when a man has lost his job, the partnership has been broken asunder?
In Wales there is a lot of language discrimination in the public sector and charity sector, with a high number of jobs requiring fluency in Welsh even though only 23% have the ability to speak Welsh.
I know of a case where a man was let go from a job he loved at a nursery because mothers were unwilling to leave their young children with a man.
I can absolutely believe that. I have heard similar stories.
No doubt in my mind that there is active gender discrimination in the childcare sector.
There's nothing about "in the same jobs, with the same qualifications and experience, working full time" in the reports.
Don't you think that "in the same jobs, with the same qualifications and experience, working full time" begs some important questions about why women aren't in the same jobs with the same qualifications and experience working full time? Those questions need to be looked at too.
Comparing the average pay of the mostly part-time mostly female cleaners at Rolls Royce to the mostly male mostly full-time engineers (as an example) is not going to tell us anything helpful."
It would. It would tell us that we have a systematic problem of not inspiring young women to go into engineering.
No I don't. Many women choose not to take the same jobs, experience and qualifications as men - that is their choice.
For those that do, absolutely the pay should be the same.
I prefer to make the most of the resources that we have. If we are not inspiring women enough, we need to do better.
Thought- (although I'm probably massively overestimating the government here), but could this whole scenario been brought about just to strengthen the argument for EVEL?
You're buying the Government spin here. The EVEL proposal won't help them - it's about giving English MPs a veto (up to a point) on things only affecting England. It doesn't enable them to do anything new in England with English-only votes. In any case they'll look ridiculous if they come back with yet another hunting proposal and lose that too (as they probably would) - to move from being seen as obsessing about Europe to being obsessed about hunting would not be a positive step.
There's nothing about "in the same jobs, with the same qualifications and experience, working full time" in the reports.
Don't you think that "in the same jobs, with the same qualifications and experience, working full time" begs some important questions about why women aren't in the same jobs with the same qualifications and experience working full time? Those questions need to be looked at too.
Comparing the average pay of the mostly part-time mostly female cleaners at Rolls Royce to the mostly male mostly full-time engineers (as an example) is not going to tell us anything helpful."
It would. It would tell us that we have a systematic problem of not inspiring young women to go into engineering.
No I don't. Many women choose not to take the same jobs, experience and qualifications as men - that is their choice.
For those that do, absolutely the pay should be the same.
I prefer to make the most of the resources that we have. If we are not inspiring women enough, we need to do better.
Scientists at the Large Hadron Collider have announced the discovery of a new particle called the pentaquark.
It was first predicted to exist in the 1960s but, much like the Higgs boson particle before it, the pentaquark eluded science for decades until its detection at the LHC.
The discovery, which amounts to a new form of matter, was made by the Hadron Collider's LHCb experiment.
Scientists at the Large Hadron Collider have announced the discovery of a new particle called the pentaquark.
It was first predicted to exist in the 1960s but, much like the Higgs boson particle before it, the pentaquark eluded science for decades until its detection at the LHC.
The discovery, which amounts to a new form of matter, was made by the Hadron Collider's LHCb experiment.
On topic: Why on earth are there audience members sitting behind the candidates in the first place? It's completely barmy. Presumably if they have attended they actually want to hear and see the candidates. (I know that all parties do this, but it's still barmy).
Writer David Croft says that the inspiration for Officer Crabtree, the policeman (played by Arthur Bostrom) who speaks spectacularly bad French, came from Edward Heath, former British Prime Minister, who spoke French with a broad English accent. In real life, Arthur Bostrom speaks French fluently.
Ofsted chief Sir Michael Wilshaw has warned of "potentially high numbers of pupils" disappearing from school registers in Birmingham and Tower Hamlets in east London.
Sir Michael said this "serious safeguarding issue" emerged as inspectors made follow-up visits after the so-called Trojan Horse inquiries.
The chief inspector said it was unclear where some pupils had gone next.
The Department for Education said it would take "immediate steps".
"The safety of young people in our schools is paramount and we will be taking immediate steps to strengthen our guidance to schools on safeguarding and to amend the current regulations about the information schools collect when a pupil is taken off the register," said a Department for Education spokesman.
The Ofsted chief had warned there was a lack of robustness in identifying why pupils had been taken off school registers or their next destination - making it difficult to know if they could be at risk from "extremist ideologies".
In some cases he said there were "generic" descriptions, such as "moved abroad" or "gone to live with grandparents" - or in one case "gone back to Libya".
Sir Michael suggests that some of these pupils will have left mainstream state schools and become pupils in unregistered schools.
Scientists at the Large Hadron Collider have announced the discovery of a new particle called the pentaquark.
It was first predicted to exist in the 1960s but, much like the Higgs boson particle before it, the pentaquark eluded science for decades until its detection at the LHC.
The discovery, which amounts to a new form of matter, was made by the Hadron Collider's LHCb experiment.
There's nothing about "in the same jobs, with the same qualifications and experience, working full time" in the reports.
Don't you think that "in the same jobs, with the same qualifications and experience, working full time" begs some important questions about why women aren't in the same jobs with the same qualifications and experience working full time? Those questions need to be looked at too.
Comparing the average pay of the mostly part-time mostly female cleaners at Rolls Royce to the mostly male mostly full-time engineers (as an example) is not going to tell us anything helpful."
It would. It would tell us that we have a systematic problem of not inspiring young women to go into engineering.
No I don't. Many women choose not to take the same jobs, experience and qualifications as men - that is their choice.
For those that do, absolutely the pay should be the same.
I prefer to make the most of the resources that we have. If we are not inspiring women enough, we need to do better.
Of course we should be inspiring women. We should also be inspiring men.
There's some things you simply can't do anything about though. Some people chose for instance that they don't want to work in certain circumstances. eg my wife who'd worked full time from starting work until maternity leave started has made the decision not to return to work while our daughter is of pre-school age. Should she not have the right to make that choice? She sees no point in paying for childcare when she'd rather do it herself and wants to be pregnant again and we can afford to live off one income. That decision isn't for everyone but it is for some - so is that decision unacceptable?
Of course not. Your wife's choice is entirely good.
I just spoke something in French in front of two twenty something staff.
I then said "I used to be able to speak fluent French now I sound like Officer Crabtree"
They looked at me blankly and asked who Officer Crabtree was.
Funnily enough, yesterday I told colleagues that I was going to disappear like a phantom into the night and they all got the reference. My colleagues must be older than yours.
Thought- (although I'm probably massively overestimating the government here), but could this whole scenario been brought about just to strengthen the argument for EVEL?
You're buying the Government spin here. The EVEL proposal won't help them - it's about giving English MPs a veto (up to a point) on things only affecting England. It doesn't enable them to do anything new in England with English-only votes. In any case they'll look ridiculous if they come back with yet another hunting proposal and lose that too (as they probably would) - to move from being seen as obsessing about Europe to being obsessed about hunting would not be a positive step.
The government may strengthen it's EVEL proposal now, so Scottish MPs are excluded from HoC votes that relate to criminal law that have no bearing on Scotland.
Has a politican ever taken a vow of silence? I'm only about a third of the way through this but it seems like the only way anyone could persuade the voters to elect Burnham or Cooper to be on the news every day for five years.
It seems like a no-brainer to me that they should pick Kendall, but I almost feel like Corbyn woud be more electable than Burnham.
That poll measures net favourability, ie those with a positive view of a candidate compared to those with a negative view, so is less prone to name recognition. The fact Corbyn had the most negative score amongst the public as a whole is not that surprising!
There's no good way to poll opinions on people the voters couldn't pick out of a line-up. Do a focus group, sure, but the polling is useless.
Well Burnham also won the 2010 focus group on newsnight, beating both Milibands.
Leadership polling is not completely useless, in 2010 David Miliband was clearly preferred to Ed, Labour picked Ed and lost. In 2005 Cameron was ahead of Davis and won. In 2001 Clarke was ahead of IDS, the Tories picked IDS and had to get rid of him 2 years later
Rolls Royce and the NHS will have large gender equality paygaps. The correct approach is then obviously to encourage more women to become doctors and engineers.
Even law firms may not look great as more women head into the 'lower paying than commercial' family law areas.
Women aren't interested in being engineers, they are interested in being doctors as reflected in the increasing numbers as it is a caring profession. The more 'liberal' a society the higher the level of gender segregation in employment as women become free to pursue careers they are interested in. Forcing women to become engineers is very lefty authoritarian.
"Women aren't interested in being engineers,"
I have a wife, sister in law and many friends who would rather disagree with that. Some may call you rather nasty names as well.
It's not about forcing: it's about rejecting the stereotypes. If someone can do a job, and wants to, let them. There are few jobs where gender really makes a difference. That's why, rather than quotas, I'm in favour of role models going into schools and colleges.
It's a sad fact that Turkey produces more female engineers and scientists than we do.
I prefer to make the most of the resources that we have. If we are not inspiring women enough, we need to do better.
Sorry for the delay. They are people, not (just) resources. If women (on average), choose not to be engineers why is that a problem? If men would rather work longer hours (in paid employment) and make more money, while women would rather work part time why is that a problem? People make choices. Choices have consequences. Why do you, David Cameron or anyone else know what is best for any particular person?
Certainly there shouldn't be discrimination against women who want to be engineers (or against men who want to be nursery nurses) but the discrimination such as it is today is not against the female engineer.
I do think the Govt should have proceeded with the Hunting Act vote and drawn the SNP on this. It would have been helpful in the wider EVEL refashioning, and been the first real evidence to E&W voters of what might have been had the 2015 GE result been different.
By withdrawing the vote, it looks like rank amateurism on the Govt's part, for naively assuming that the SNP would be good eggs on this, and/or not measuring the balance of opinion in Tory ranks.
Omnishambles returns...?
"Vulpinishambles" anyone?
The numbers were probably re-crunched this morning, and it was calculated that the measure would fail.
The government only get one shot at this. Cameron wants it to pass.
If the countryside alliance have any sense, they'll spend the next 12 months actively campaigning on this to try and cure the moderate public minds of some of the ridiculous prejudices of the anti brigade.
Thought- (although I'm probably massively overestimating the government here), but could this whole scenario been brought about just to strengthen the argument for EVEL?
You're buying the Government spin here. The EVEL proposal won't help them - it's about giving English MPs a veto (up to a point) on things only affecting England. It doesn't enable them to do anything new in England with English-only votes. In any case they'll look ridiculous if they come back with yet another hunting proposal and lose that too (as they probably would) - to move from being seen as obsessing about Europe to being obsessed about hunting would not be a positive step.
My thought was they would use it as a reason to strengthen the proposals.
There's nothing about "in the same jobs, with the same qualifications and experience, working full time" in the reports.
Don't you think that "in the same jobs, with the same qualifications and experience, working full time" begs some important questions about why women aren't in the same jobs with the same qualifications and experience working full time? Those questions need to be looked at too.
Comparing the average pay of the mostly part-time mostly female cleaners at Rolls Royce to the mostly male mostly full-time engineers (as an example) is not going to tell us anything helpful."
It would. It would tell us that we have a systematic problem of not inspiring young women to go into engineering.
No I don't. Many women choose not to take the same jobs, experience and qualifications as men - that is their choice.
For those that do, absolutely the pay should be the same.
I prefer to make the most of the resources that we have. If we are not inspiring women enough, we need to do better.
Grammar schools dominate the top of the league tables and are the only state schools to really challenge private schools. I at least think parents should be allowed to choose to have new grammar schools in their area as they now can choose academies or free schools. If they want a comprehensive system, fine, but at least offer the choice. Even Finland selects at 16 and most grammars have sixth form entries
@IsabelOakeshott: Looks like Sturgeon just walked straight in2 Tory leadership trap.DC not humilated - has lost nothing yet. SNP just highlighted case 4 EVEL
Don't you think that "in the same jobs, with the same qualifications and experience, working full time" begs some important questions about why women aren't in the same jobs with the same qualifications and experience working full time? Those questions need to be looked at too.
Choices, choices and indeed choices. Preferences for different careers. Preferences for a different work-life balance. Preference to avoid dangerous jobs. Preference for taking several years out of work completely. Preference to eat their cake rather than to have it.
I do think the Govt should have proceeded with the Hunting Act vote and drawn the SNP on this. It would have been helpful in the wider EVEL refashioning, and been the first real evidence to E&W voters of what might have been had the 2015 GE result been different.
By withdrawing the vote, it looks like rank amateurism on the Govt's part, for naively assuming that the SNP would be good eggs on this, and/or not measuring the balance of opinion in Tory ranks.
@IsabelOakeshott: Looks like Sturgeon just walked straight in2 Tory leadership trap.DC not humilated - has lost nothing yet. SNP just highlighted case 4 EVEL
Amateur hour from the SNP.
Not sure I agree with that. The SNP, from their perspective, are playing a blinder. A gilt-edged opportunity to invoke class war and Nationalist chippyness handed to them on a plate by the Tories.
And the Tories HAVE actually suffered a defeat here, because they have chickened out of a vote, on a massively divisive issue which reinforces Nasty Party stereotypes amongst people who believe that, because they realised they were going to lose.
The win for the Tories might have been to proceed with the vote and lose it due to the SNP.
But I think the better course, on reflection, may have been not to put this vote forward at all. Because it shows yet another grave miscalculation by Cameron and/or his whips/Leader of the House.
I believe that it is still quite hard for a man to get the post of a nanny and certainly I believe that in many primary schools that male teachers have become a rarity? Are there many male teachers in girls-only schools or women teachers in boys-only schools.
Also in a partnership, do most women still expect the man to be the 'provider' as I have seen in some divorce cases that when a man has lost his job, the partnership has been broken asunder?
In Wales there is a lot of language discrimination in the public sector and charity sector, with a high number of jobs requiring fluency in Welsh even though only 23% have the ability to speak Welsh.
I know of a case where a man was let go from a job he loved at a nursery because mothers were unwilling to leave their young children with a man.
I can absolutely believe that. I have heard similar stories.
No doubt in my mind that there is active gender discrimination in the childcare sector.
Sadly, there is a lot of prejudice among mothers. I'm friends with a couple where the father decided to stay home to parent and the mother went back to work, as she was earning more. He loves it, but feels guilty that mothers are less willing to allow their kids to come over to play, and his children make less friends as a result.
Thought- (although I'm probably massively overestimating the government here), but could this whole scenario been brought about just to strengthen the argument for EVEL?
You're buying the Government spin here. The EVEL proposal won't help them - it's about giving English MPs a veto (up to a point) on things only affecting England. It doesn't enable them to do anything new in England with English-only votes. In any case they'll look ridiculous if they come back with yet another hunting proposal and lose that too (as they probably would) - to move from being seen as obsessing about Europe to being obsessed about hunting would not be a positive step.
My thought was they would use it as a reason to strengthen the proposals.
The SNP campaigned tremendously hard for the ULTIMATE EVEL !
EVEL inevitably weakens the union, particularly after the SVSL regarding FFA was voted down by English votes.
This suits both the SNP and the Conservatives long term.
@Alanbrooke I didn't know that, that's positive at any rate. @Antifrank Yep ! @SeanF Women are more inclined towards the legal aid side of family too (My evidence is vaguely anecdotal on that) though. The lower renumeration just follows through from that.
Private client is where I do most of my work, now. Unlike the more glamorous fields, like Commercial Property, or Company/Commercial, it's almost recession-proof. People always die, disputes about wills are on the rise, increased life expectancy means more demand for LPAs and Deputyships.
And the Tories HAVE actually suffered a defeat here, because they have chickened out of a vote, on a massively divisive issue which reinforces Nasty Party stereotypes amongst people who believe that, because they realised they were going to lose.
The win for the Tories might have been to proceed with the vote and lose it due to the SNP.
That is nearly as wrong as your many predictions before the election. Keep up the good work
I believe that it is still quite hard for a man to get the post of a nanny and certainly I believe that in many primary schools that male teachers have become a rarity? Are there many male teachers in girls-only schools or women teachers in boys-only schools.
Also in a partnership, do most women still expect the man to be the 'provider' as I have seen in some divorce cases that when a man has lost his job, the partnership has been broken asunder?
In Wales there is a lot of language discrimination in the public sector and charity sector, with a high number of jobs requiring fluency in Welsh even though only 23% have the ability to speak Welsh.
I know of a case where a man was let go from a job he loved at a nursery because mothers were unwilling to leave their young children with a man.
I can absolutely believe that. I have heard similar stories.
No doubt in my mind that there is active gender discrimination in the childcare sector.
Sadly, there is a lot of prejudice among mothers. I'm friends with a couple where the father decided to stay home to parent and the mother went back to work, as she was earning more. He loves it, but feels guilty that mothers are less willing to allow their kids to come over to play, and his children make less friends as a result.
Part of this cultural issue, with this ridiculous distrust of men around children, is down to the focus of women as primary caregivers, alongside the reporting on pedophilia/child abuse. The solution, is to normalise the idea of men as primary caregivers, and to encourage men to enter professions that are considered 'maternal' and related to children - nursing is one, but also education as well - we need more male teachers. Unfortunately, there are many silly women out there who seem to think every bloke is a paedo. Instead of treating stay-at-home dads like this, they should be applauding them for taking an active interest in their child, and rejecting rigid gender roles, which can sometimes be damaging. Such men may also be good role models to their own children, too.
A better example of overt political campaigning escapes me. I hope the Charity Commission jumps on them.
The RSPCA are not a charity which is either registered or operates in Scotland and the SNP is not a party which is either registered or operates in England. As such there is no grounds for a Charity Commission complaint.
I believe that it is still quite hard for a man to get the post of a nanny and certainly I believe that in many primary schools that male teachers have become a rarity? Are there many male teachers in girls-only schools or women teachers in boys-only schools.
Also in a partnership, do most women still expect the man to be the 'provider' as I have seen in some divorce cases that when a man has lost his job, the partnership has been broken asunder?
In Wales there is a lot of language discrimination in the public sector and charity sector, with a high number of jobs requiring fluency in Welsh even though only 23% have the ability to speak Welsh.
I know of a case where a man was let go from a job he loved at a nursery because mothers were unwilling to leave their young children with a man.
I can absolutely believe that. I have heard similar stories.
No doubt in my mind that there is active gender discrimination in the childcare sector.
Sadly, there is a lot of prejudice among mothers. I'm friends with a couple where the father decided to stay home to parent and the mother went back to work, as she was earning more. He loves it, but feels guilty that mothers are less willing to allow their kids to come over to play, and his children make less friends as a result.
If its a mothers and baby/toddlers group, many of the women may be embarrassed at including a man in their topics of conversation.
And the Tories HAVE actually suffered a defeat here, because they have chickened out of a vote, on a massively divisive issue which reinforces Nasty Party stereotypes amongst people who believe that, because they realised they were going to lose.
The win for the Tories might have been to proceed with the vote and lose it due to the SNP.
That is nearly as wrong as your many predictions before the election. Keep up the good work
Tbf, Isabel Osakeshott's pre-election predictions were hardly right either.
I believe that it is still quite hard for a man to get the post of a nanny and certainly I believe that in many primary schools that male teachers have become a rarity? Are there many male teachers in girls-only schools or women teachers in boys-only schools.
Also in a partnership, do most women still expect the man to be the 'provider' as I have seen in some divorce cases that when a man has lost his job, the partnership has been broken asunder?
In Wales there is a lot of language discrimination in the public sector and charity sector, with a high number of jobs requiring fluency in Welsh even though only 23% have the ability to speak Welsh.
I know of a case where a man was let go from a job he loved at a nursery because mothers were unwilling to leave their young children with a man.
I can absolutely believe that. I have heard similar stories.
No doubt in my mind that there is active gender discrimination in the childcare sector.
Sadly, there is a lot of prejudice among mothers. I'm friends with a couple where the father decided to stay home to parent and the mother went back to work, as she was earning more. He loves it, but feels guilty that mothers are less willing to allow their kids to come over to play, and his children make less friends as a result.
Nicola Sturgeon will punish David Cameron for his English Votes for English Laws plan by allowing SNP MPs to vote at a crucial foxhunting debate tomorrow in a bid to “remind him of how slim a majority he has”.
A principled stand by the SNP then, hope they wont be complaining if the government gives them a good kicking in due course to "remind them who has a majority"
Except that Cameron has completely folded and let Sturgeon give him the dockyard hooker treatment.
Pulling the vote seems to be the dumbest thing the Tories could have done. If there was a potential for a Tory victory** via an elephant trap - they just pulled defeat from the jaws of victory.
** and I think this is overstated and really unlikely.
Part of this cultural issue, with this ridiculous distrust of men around children, is down to the focus of women as primary caregivers, alongside the reporting on pedophilia/child abuse. The solution, is to normalise the idea of men as primary caregivers, and to encourage men to enter professions that are considered 'maternal' and related to children - nursing is one, but also education as well - we need more male teachers. Unfortunately, there are many silly women out there who seem to think every bloke is a paedo. Instead of treating stay-at-home dads like this, they should be applauding them for taking an active interest in their child, and rejecting rigid gender roles, which can sometimes be damaging. Such men may also be good role models to their own children, too.
To her dying day, my grandmother was convinced that Scoutmasters, and Girl Guide Captains were, without exception, paedophiles, and refused to let her sons join the Scouts for that reason.
I do think it's somewhat disingenuous for David Cameron to claim in the Times that a woman earns 80 p for every £ that a man earns, and to compare it to women not having the vote. That is lifetime earnings, not hourly earnings. Men tend to work longer hours, over the course of a lifetime, than women do. Therefore, they earn more than women do, on average, over the course of a lifetime.
Pay audits won't alter that. Either they'll provide a meaningless average figure for men and women, or they'll show that in the majority of cases, people are paid the going rate for the job.
Spot on. It's on issues like this that I feel Cameron lets Conservatives down. It's new Labourese newspeak.
And if the Prime Minister is prepared to misuse statistics in that way, it doesn't inspire confidence that any legislation on the issue will be sensible, or that the government will sensibly treat the data that emerges.
Mr Antifrank assures us that we can rely on the public to correctly understand and interpret the sort of disingenuous crap that government are pumping out on this matter... we shall see.
How do the two of you feel about school league tables?
I think they're of interest, but they have to be treated cautiously.
If a Prime Minister were to argue that School A is better than School B, because it achieves better results, without looking at the background of the school, the nature of its pupils, the strengths and weaknesses of that school, then I'd say he was misusing statistics.
I'm sure that the statistics produced from this new requirement will also be of interest but need to be treated cautiously.
I don't get the desire that we should have less information about something that everyone, even Indigo, accepts is a problem. Until we have the data, we can't see where the problem is arising or how best to address it.
I don't say this lightly, but your lying... is that a measure of how desperate you are to prove your point ? When I began my reply to you with "There is a problem, it needs addressing with thought, care and consideration.", which bit was unclear about accepting there was a problem.
Now, is it too much to expect that the filthy rich animal charities might devote some more of their vast budgets to the greater problem of cruelty in certain abattoirs? Or are they too scared of having their plush HQ's attacked?
I do think the Govt should have proceeded with the Hunting Act vote and drawn the SNP on this. It would have been helpful in the wider EVEL refashioning, and been the first real evidence to E&W voters of what might have been had the 2015 GE result been different.
By withdrawing the vote, it looks like rank amateurism on the Govt's part, for naively assuming that the SNP would be good eggs on this, and/or not measuring the balance of opinion in Tory ranks.
@IsabelOakeshott: Looks like Sturgeon just walked straight in2 Tory leadership trap.DC not humilated - has lost nothing yet. SNP just highlighted case 4 EVEL
Amateur hour from the SNP.
And the Tories HAVE actually suffered a defeat here, because they have chickened out of a vote, on a massively divisive issue which reinforces Nasty Party stereotypes amongst people who believe that, because they realised they were going to lose. But I think the better course, on reflection, may have been not to put this vote forward at all. Because it shows yet another grave miscalculation by Cameron and/or his whips/Leader of the House.
one little issue. A "grave miscalculation". FFS have a sense of perspective.
Now, is it too much to expect that the filthy rich animal charities might devote some more of their vast budgets to the greater problem of cruelty in certain abattoirs? Or are they too scared of having their plush HQ's attacked?
Something about picking the battles you can win, perhaps?
Thought- (although I'm probably massively overestimating the government here), but could this whole scenario been brought about just to strengthen the argument for EVEL?
You're buying the Government spin here. The EVEL proposal won't help them - it's about giving English MPs a veto (up to a point) on things only affecting England. It doesn't enable them to do anything new in England with English-only votes. In any case they'll look ridiculous if they come back with yet another hunting proposal and lose that too (as they probably would) - to move from being seen as obsessing about Europe to being obsessed about hunting would not be a positive step.
My thought was they would use it as a reason to strengthen the proposals.
The SNP campaigned tremendously hard for the ULTIMATE EVEL !
EVEL inevitably weakens the union, particularly after the SVSL regarding FFA was voted down by English votes.
This suits both the SNP and the Conservatives long term.
Not necessarily, because Scotland is still getting more powers through the Scotland Bill and EVEL reduces English nationalism. Indeed the new Survation shows support for independence little changed from indyref
And the Tories HAVE actually suffered a defeat here, because they have chickened out of a vote, on a massively divisive issue which reinforces Nasty Party stereotypes amongst people who believe that, because they realised they were going to lose.
The win for the Tories might have been to proceed with the vote and lose it due to the SNP.
That is nearly as wrong as your many predictions before the election. Keep up the good work
Now, is it too much to expect that the filthy rich animal charities might devote some more of their vast budgets to the greater problem of cruelty in certain abattoirs? Or are they too scared of having their plush HQ's attacked?
Or even about fishing for pleasure (and not for food) and the pain and stress caused by capturing a fish on a hook. Not a chance they will touch that.
Now, is it too much to expect that the filthy rich animal charities might devote some more of their vast budgets to the greater problem of cruelty in certain abattoirs? Or are they too scared of having their plush HQ's attacked?
Or even about fishing for pleasure (and not for food) and the pain and stress caused by capturing a fish on a hook. Not a chance they will touch that.
Part of this cultural issue, with this ridiculous distrust of men around children, is down to the focus of women as primary caregivers, alongside the reporting on pedophilia/child abuse. The solution, is to normalise the idea of men as primary caregivers, and to encourage men to enter professions that are considered 'maternal' and related to children - nursing is one, but also education as well - we need more male teachers. Unfortunately, there are many silly women out there who seem to think every bloke is a paedo. Instead of treating stay-at-home dads like this, they should be applauding them for taking an active interest in their child, and rejecting rigid gender roles, which can sometimes be damaging. Such men may also be good role models to their own children, too.
I'd be surprised if we reach a situation where it as common for a father to be a primary care-giver, as it is for a mother to be. And it would also require a major cultural shift on the part of our family courts.
Iain Stewart on DP says he will vote against his party if EVEL goes further than currently planned.
Lol, Sturgeon must be loving the Tory disarray today. First the humiliating climb down. Now the realisation that unless Labour capitulate (possible) the Tory manifesto is going to have some very large unfulfilled holes.
I do think it's somewhat disingenuous for David Cameron to claim in the Times that a woman earns 80 p for every £ that a man earns, and to compare it to women not having the vote. That is lifetime earnings, not hourly earnings. Men tend to work longer hours, over the course of a lifetime, than women do. Therefore, they earn more than women do, on average, over the course of a lifetime.
Pay audits won't alter that. Either they'll provide a meaningless average figure for men and women, or they'll show that in the majority of cases, people are paid the going rate for the job.
Spot on. It's on issues like this that I feel Cameron lets Conservatives down. It's new Labourese newspeak.
And if the Prime Minister is prepared to misuse statistics in that way, it doesn't inspire confidence that any legislation on the issue will be sensible, or that the government will sensibly treat the data that emerges.
Mr Antifrank assures us that we can rely on the public to correctly understand and interpret the sort of disingenuous crap that government are pumping out on this matter... we shall see.
How do the two of you feel about school league tables?
I think they're of interest, but they have to be treated cautiously.
If a Prime Minister were to argue that School A is better than School B, because it achieves better results, without looking at the background of the school, the nature of its pupils, the strengths and weaknesses of that school, then I'd say he was misusing statistics.
I'm sure that the statistics produced from this new requirement will also be of interest but need to be treated cautiously.
I don't get the desire that we should have less information about something that everyone, even Indigo, accepts is a problem. Until we have the data, we can't see where the problem is arising or how best to address it.
I don't say this lightly, but your lying... is that a measure of how desperate you are to prove your point ? When I began my reply to you with "There is a problem, it needs addressing with thought, care and consideration.", which bit was unclear about accepting there was a problem.
Rather than accusing someone of lying, I suggest you learn to read.
BBC using phrase 'Asian women' in report on honour killings.
There also managed to do a whole piece on increasing number of kids that have gone missing off school registers...it was only when you got to some of the reasons like "gone to Libya" and is particularly problematic in Birmingham & Tower Hamlets (especially in schools that were investigated as part of Trojan Horse Plot) that you knew what they were talking about
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(Edit) There may well be a lingering left over from discrimination in the past amongst older women, that is a problem that has already been solved - we can't change the past(/edit)
And from the current reports medium to large firms are going to have to report average pay for men and women. There's nothing about "in the same jobs, with the same qualifications and experience, working full time" in the reports. Comparing the average pay of the mostly part-time, mostly female cleaners at Rolls Royce to the mostly male, mostly full-time engineers (as an example) is not going to tell us anything helpful, but as others have pointed out will lead to yet another round of "something must be done".
Given there were about 4000 highly qualified engineers there - many of them under 30 - that was quite a surprising stat. There simply weren't enough females completing courses at the required level - I hope this is starting to change.
As an environment - well the cast of Big Bang would be entirely at home, except Penny.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33520547
@Antifrank Yep !
@SeanF Women are more inclined towards the legal aid side of family too (My evidence is vaguely anecdotal on that) though. The lower renumeration just follows through from that.
The Socialist Party of Great Britain, which has 300 members, has cash reserves of £452,250 and property worth £900,000, its latest accounts say.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33478400
It bought the South London shop premises in 1951 for about £3,000.
But it has benefited from the boom in the capital's property prices, with the value of its assets increasing by £400,000 in a single year, according to its accounts.
'Not a charity'
Media spokesman Adam Buick, who joined the Socialist Party of Great Britain in 1962, said he saw no contradiction between its socialist beliefs and its capitalist windfall.
"We live in a capitalist society and you need money to survive in a capitalist society," he told BBC News.
"We are not a charity, we are not giving it away to the poor, we are using it to propagate the case for socialism."
Scottish MPs should get no say whatsoever on English-only laws, just as English MPs get no say whatsoever on Scottish only laws. No ifs, no buts.
For those that do, absolutely the pay should be the same.
By withdrawing the vote, it looks like rank amateurism on the Govt's part, for naively assuming that the SNP would be good eggs on this, and/or not measuring the balance of opinion in Tory ranks.
Omnishambles returns...?
"Vulpinishambles" anyone?
http://blog.whatscotlandthinks.org/2015/07/survation-on-the-opportunities-and-challenges-of-2016/
Most aren't being taken in by the fox-hunting angle and see it for what it is. And EVEL is winning about 10:1.
The bigger the fuss the SNP makes the better AFAIC - it just strengthens the case for full EVEL.
At a previous employer we did something similar and it was quite eye-opening: on every single measure women lost out (and this was not as a result of taking time out for maternity leave). Once people realised this they started taking measures to address the issues. The men - and it was a heavily make environment - had assumed that there wasn't a problem and were a bit shocked to find that their assumptions were not backed by the evidence.
@NCPoliticsUK: .@MSmithsonPB - several polling websites were easy to hack until Lord Ashcroft's Scottish polling got distributed by SNP supporters #PMV2015
There's some things you simply can't do anything about though. Some people chose for instance that they don't want to work in certain circumstances. eg my wife who'd worked full time from starting work until maternity leave started has made the decision not to return to work while our daughter is of pre-school age. Should she not have the right to make that choice? She sees no point in paying for childcare when she'd rather do it herself and wants to be pregnant again and we can afford to live off one income. That decision isn't for everyone but it is for some - so is that decision unacceptable?
However the government in the last few hours wanted the cause célèbre on EVEL to be something a little divisive than Fox Hunting
My civil engineer son, has a few lady engineers in his UK offices but a large number in his Paris and French regional offices.
I just spoke something in French in front of two twenty something staff.
I then said "I used to be able to speak fluent French now I sound like Officer Crabtree"
They looked at me blankly and asked who Officer Crabtree was.
Oh the Allo allo chappy.
He should also remove Scottish banks ability to print monopoly Scottish notes.
No doubt in my mind that there is active gender discrimination in the childcare sector.
At least you didn't have to try and explain why Hannibal is so obviously superior as a general to Caesar.
It was first predicted to exist in the 1960s but, much like the Higgs boson particle before it, the pentaquark eluded science for decades until its detection at the LHC.
The discovery, which amounts to a new form of matter, was made by the Hadron Collider's LHCb experiment.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-33517492
Writer David Croft says that the inspiration for Officer Crabtree, the policeman (played by Arthur Bostrom) who speaks spectacularly bad French, came from Edward Heath, former British Prime Minister, who spoke French with a broad English accent. In real life, Arthur Bostrom speaks French fluently.
From IMDB
I remember Voyager II passing Neptune whilst I was on holiday in California as a kid, and wondered when a Pluto mission would be sent...
Sir Michael said this "serious safeguarding issue" emerged as inspectors made follow-up visits after the so-called Trojan Horse inquiries.
The chief inspector said it was unclear where some pupils had gone next.
The Department for Education said it would take "immediate steps".
"The safety of young people in our schools is paramount and we will be taking immediate steps to strengthen our guidance to schools on safeguarding and to amend the current regulations about the information schools collect when a pupil is taken off the register," said a Department for Education spokesman.
The Ofsted chief had warned there was a lack of robustness in identifying why pupils had been taken off school registers or their next destination - making it difficult to know if they could be at risk from "extremist ideologies".
In some cases he said there were "generic" descriptions, such as "moved abroad" or "gone to live with grandparents" - or in one case "gone back to Libya".
Sir Michael suggests that some of these pupils will have left mainstream state schools and become pupils in unregistered schools.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-33520643
More reasons why some local authorities should not be in charge of education - more political correctness and ethnic minorities?
Atticus Finch is a hero of mine growing up.
Leadership polling is not completely useless, in 2010 David Miliband was clearly preferred to Ed, Labour picked Ed and lost. In 2005 Cameron was ahead of Davis and won. In 2001 Clarke was ahead of IDS, the Tories picked IDS and had to get rid of him 2 years later
I have a wife, sister in law and many friends who would rather disagree with that. Some may call you rather nasty names as well.
It's not about forcing: it's about rejecting the stereotypes. If someone can do a job, and wants to, let them. There are few jobs where gender really makes a difference. That's why, rather than quotas, I'm in favour of role models going into schools and colleges.
It's a sad fact that Turkey produces more female engineers and scientists than we do.
Certainly there shouldn't be discrimination against women who want to be engineers (or against men who want to be nursery nurses) but the discrimination such as it is today is not against the female engineer.
The government only get one shot at this. Cameron wants it to pass.
If the countryside alliance have any sense, they'll spend the next 12 months actively campaigning on this to try and cure the moderate public minds of some of the ridiculous prejudices of the anti brigade.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmC-u75Ae2E
Choices have consequences!
And the Tories HAVE actually suffered a defeat here, because they have chickened out of a vote, on a massively divisive issue which reinforces Nasty Party stereotypes amongst people who believe that, because they realised they were going to lose.
The win for the Tories might have been to proceed with the vote and lose it due to the SNP.
But I think the better course, on reflection, may have been not to put this vote forward at all. Because it shows yet another grave miscalculation by Cameron and/or his whips/Leader of the House.
EVEL inevitably weakens the union, particularly after the SVSL regarding FFA was voted down by English votes.
This suits both the SNP and the Conservatives long term.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airline_seating_sex_discrimination_controversy
More leg room is always welcome.
Except that Cameron has completely folded and let Sturgeon give him the dockyard hooker treatment.
Pulling the vote seems to be the dumbest thing the Tories could have done. If there was a potential for a Tory victory** via an elephant trap - they just pulled defeat from the jaws of victory.
** and I think this is overstated and really unlikely.
Now, is it too much to expect that the filthy rich animal charities might devote some more of their vast budgets to the greater problem of cruelty in certain abattoirs? Or are they too scared of having their plush HQ's attacked?
Lol, Sturgeon must be loving the Tory disarray today. First the humiliating climb down. Now the realisation that unless Labour capitulate (possible) the Tory manifesto is going to have some very large unfulfilled holes.