@paulwaugh: .@andyburnhammp on journo/MPs football match: "I've got a msg for anyone from the Sun who's thinking of playing: don't forget your shinpads"
so he'd going to cheat and attempt to physically assault opponents in a friendly match?
Asshat is too kind.
Typical unintelligent Labour thug, resorting to threats of violence.
I see Burnham's back tracking on his Hillsborough accusations; presumably worried that those he's slagging off, might come out fighting.
Extraordinary comment from someone who would like to be our PM.
It is where both are missing (eg Barings bank or the current LIBOR scandal) that things go really wrong. Leeson was a crook and was dishonest but it was the lack of competent systems that killed the bank.
On the other hand it takes a pervasive and usually highly intrusive system to stop an inside expert from abusing the systems that are there within an inch of their life. In my (IT Security) experience trying to stop experts with access from doing naughty things usually makes the system almost unusable by everyone else, and even then with the best security systems in the world, supposedly, we get Snowden.
Exactly so and that is my concern about the police response to this tragedy. If you require a system that is so comprehensive that nothing is overlooked you run the risk of nothing getting done.
I seem to recall that the Met had that problem when constables had to record the details of every interaction with the public to show that they were not being racist. The result was officers spending more time filling in reports than actually preventing crime.
The bureaucratic mindset is particularly strong and insidious in the public sector in Scotland. I spend quite a bit of my work fighting against the results.
Kendall's decision to oppose the IHT tax cut, one of the most popular proposals in the Budget, a big error on her part, on this she may even be left of Burnham, who has said the Mansion Tax was a mistake (although he has backed a levy to pay for social care). It us unlikely to win her many more leftwingers but will turn off floating voters
Andy Burnham says Labour should embrace a system where a person pays as much as 15% on every estates following a death. - I'd have thought that far more objectionable to the electorate than IH which only kicks in at £I million.
Yet Kendall has just opposed the IHT tax cut, so if she wins IHT would be paid at 40% on all estates over £325,000. Burnham's levy is to fund social care I believe, though personally I would prefer greater use of annuities
Possibly, but I doubt that any party will seek to specifically go back on the IHT change by 2020. It'll just be left at £1m and time allowed to degrade it, in the same way the £325K has rarely been uprated. Unless, as you say, it is part of some wider scheme on social care.
We shall see, although if IHT was largely replaced by a social care fund that would at least make more sense, though personally, as I said, I would prefer measures to encourage annuities to fund care
IHT is a terrible tax - makework for lawyers and accountants; and avoided by people with large fortunes anyway.
Indeed, but you can only avoid it if you give away your estate 7 years before death, and of course it only applies going forward to the richest estates anyway
The change was of course most welcome.
Indeed, but Kendall has made clear she opposes the change
@paulwaugh: .@andyburnhammp on journo/MPs football match: "I've got a msg for anyone from the Sun who's thinking of playing: don't forget your shinpads"
so he'd going to cheat and attempt to physically assault opponents in a friendly match?
Asshat is too kind.
Typical unintelligent Labour thug, resorting to threats of violence.
I see Burnham's back tracking on his Hillsborough accusations; presumably worried that those he's slagging off, might come out fighting.
Extraordinary comment from someone who would like to be our PM.
Boris recently told a cab driver to 'F off and die', of course he did not literally mean it!
@paulwaugh: .@andyburnhammp on journo/MPs football match: "I've got a msg for anyone from the Sun who's thinking of playing: don't forget your shinpads"
so he'd going to cheat and attempt to physically assault opponents in a friendly match?
Asshat is too kind.
Typical unintelligent Labour thug, resorting to threats of violence.
I see Burnham's back tracking on his Hillsborough accusations; presumably worried that those he's slagging off, might come out fighting.
Extraordinary comment from someone who would like to be our PM.
Clearly an individual wholly unsuited to hold such a position of public office.
@paulwaugh: .@andyburnhammp on journo/MPs football match: "I've got a msg for anyone from the Sun who's thinking of playing: don't forget your shinpads"
so he'd going to cheat and attempt to physically assault opponents in a friendly match?
Asshat is too kind.
Typical unintelligent Labour thug, resorting to threats of violence.
I see Burnham's back tracking on his Hillsborough accusations; presumably worried that those he's slagging off, might come out fighting.
Extraordinary comment from someone who would like to be our PM.
Boris recently told a cab driver to 'F off and die', of course he did not literally mean it!
@paulwaugh: .@andyburnhammp on journo/MPs football match: "I've got a msg for anyone from the Sun who's thinking of playing: don't forget your shinpads"
so he'd going to cheat and attempt to physically assault opponents in a friendly match?
Asshat is too kind.
Typical unintelligent Labour thug, resorting to threats of violence.
I see Burnham's back tracking on his Hillsborough accusations; presumably worried that those he's slagging off, might come out fighting.
Oh for goodness sake, Boris told a taxi driver to 'F off and die', it was a comment made in jest not a threat to murder half the Sun's journalism team! Burnham also went to Cambridge
Boris's comments were made when he was harangued by a taxi driver. If I were on a bike and a car driver made comments towards me out if his window, I might use some choice words.
And I'm usually very mild-mannered.
Indeed, but it goes to show voters do not care about the odd stupid comment! After all, look at what Berlusconi got away with!
@faisalislam: Sturgeon tells me: "Labour asked us to vote on fox hunting & we're agreeing. My invitation to Labour is dont sit on fence on tax credits"
The Order of the Wooden Spoon is awarded to.....
The fun is Scotland might yet just kill off the Labour Party.
Lovely !
And once they've done that they'd might as well stay in the UK - even better!
For those who wondered why I think Chris Grayling a tw@, this is why
“Our own assessments about safety were consistent with data that the national offender management service (Noms) itself produced. You were more likely to die in prison than five years ago. More prisoners were murdered, killed themselves, self-harmed and were victims of assaults than five years ago,” said Hardwick. “The number of assaults and serious assaults against staff also rose.”
Burnham's a lightweight, but I don't think his shin pads comment matters.
It's deeply silly - but it does betray a rather inconsequential mind unable to think through the ramifications of foolish comments....imagine him at a Euro Summit......or meeting Putin....
A lot of people in Scotland, including serving members of the police, have lost confidence in the Chief Constable, who while having full confidence from the FM, will nevertheless be leaving his position before the election next year.
This unfortunate case is just the latest in a long never seeming to end, series of human and PR disasters. While Sir Stephen had the backing of ex-Justice Minister Kenny MacAskill, then he could survive just about anything, armed police attending minor incidents, massive police raids on massage parlours in Edinburgh, disbandment of specialist teams leading to a massive increase in breaking and entering, etc., etc.
Oh, I was forgetting the incident in Kirkcaldy, where it took 9 police officers to subdue 1 man with copious amounts of CS and pepper spray before handcuffing him and putting on leg restraints. This happened in May, on a pavement in the street, this year. The individual was dropped off at the Kirkcaldy Infirmary, still in handcuffs and restraints and died shortly after. The officers involved are still working, and have refused to hand over their notebooks or to be interviewed by PIRC, under the ruling that only Sir Stephen can allow the investigation by PIRC to proceed.
There is a reason why accident reports in safety-critical organisations do not generally name individuals. It is vital to get to the cause: appropriate action can be taken later by the relevant authorities.
Perhaps this attitudinal difference is because, in your industry, problems are often deliberately caused. In other industries it is much more common for problems to be non-deliberate (even when including incompetence).
Have you noticed Mr Jessop that when the police cock up it is never anyone's fault? leave aside the Scottish case for a moment, we also have the gangster who was shot six times but the police didn't notice and said it was natural causes (and that in a Force that gave us the Bamber case - when they also didn't notice a murder). Then we have the South Wales police force who forgot to investigate the fact that a child was being raped - no one's fault "lessons have been learned". South Yorks Police threaten a sex abuse victim and get her not to proceed - no crime committed, no arrests made. It just goes on and on.
Not naming individuals may be a good idea in some cases, not holding people to account for their actions isn't and never will be, unless you want more incidents of the same type in the future.
I agree to a certain extent. I think what we're settling towards on this thread is that the best approach depends on the industry.
In engineering, it's generally best to work out what went wrong, then how to fix it, then pass any potential prosecutions or staff warnings to another organisation.
BTW, good to see you on a certain game's forums. I rad a post and thought: "It can't be!"
@paulwaugh: .@andyburnhammp on journo/MPs football match: "I've got a msg for anyone from the Sun who's thinking of playing: don't forget your shinpads"
so he'd going to cheat and attempt to physically assault opponents in a friendly match?
Asshat is too kind.
Typical unintelligent Labour thug, resorting to threats of violence.
I see Burnham's back tracking on his Hillsborough accusations; presumably worried that those he's slagging off, might come out fighting.
Extraordinary comment from someone who would like to be our PM.
Boris recently told a cab driver to 'F off and die', of course he did not literally mean it!
Burnham was hardly provoked, was he?
The Sun have not exactly given him glowing endorsements
@paulwaugh: .@andyburnhammp on journo/MPs football match: "I've got a msg for anyone from the Sun who's thinking of playing: don't forget your shinpads"
so he'd going to cheat and attempt to physically assault opponents in a friendly match?
Asshat is too kind.
Typical unintelligent Labour thug, resorting to threats of violence.
I see Burnham's back tracking on his Hillsborough accusations; presumably worried that those he's slagging off, might come out fighting.
Extraordinary comment from someone who would like to be our PM.
Boris recently told a cab driver to 'F off and die', of course he did not literally mean it!
@faisalislam: Sturgeon tells me: "Labour asked us to vote on fox hunting & we're agreeing. My invitation to Labour is dont sit on fence on tax credits"
The Order of the Wooden Spoon is awarded to.....
The fun is Scotland might yet just kill off the Labour Party.
Lovely !
And once they've done that they'd might as well stay in the UK - even better!
Wales and England are now more Labour than Scotland
A lot of people in Scotland, including serving members of the police, have lost confidence in the Chief Constable, who while having full confidence from the FM, will nevertheless be leaving his position before the election next year.
This unfortunate case is just the latest in a long never seeming to end, series of human and PR disasters. While Sir Stephen had the backing of ex-Justice Minister Kenny MacAskill, then he could survive just about anything, armed police attending minor incidents, massive police raids on massage parlours in Edinburgh, disbandment of specialist teams leading to a massive increase in breaking and entering, etc., etc.
Oh, I was forgetting the incident in Kirkcaldy, where it took 9 police officers to subdue 1 man with copious amounts of CS and pepper spray before handcuffing him and putting on leg restraints. This happened in May, on a pavement in the street, this year. The individual was dropped off at the Kirkcaldy Infirmary, still in handcuffs and restraints and died shortly after. The officers involved are still working, and have refused to hand over their notebooks or to be interviewed by PIRC, under the ruling that only Sir Stephen can allow the investigation by PIRC to proceed.
I should have added that nobody on PB thought that there might have been another reason as to why the FM was getting her underwear in a twist over foxes in England, smoke and mirrors, to divert attention from, er!, small local difficulties that seem to be exploding around her.
Burnham's a lightweight, but I don't think his shin pads comment matters.
It's deeply silly - but it does betray a rather inconsequential mind unable to think through the ramifications of foolish comments....imagine him at a Euro Summit......or meeting Putin....
I wonder what big butch Vlad, would make of Burnham's eye makeup?
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I seem to recall that the Met had that problem when constables had to record the details of every interaction with the public to show that they were not being racist. The result was officers spending more time filling in reports than actually preventing crime.
The bureaucratic mindset is particularly strong and insidious in the public sector in Scotland. I spend quite a bit of my work fighting against the results.
“Our own assessments about safety were consistent with data that the national offender management service (Noms) itself produced. You were more likely to die in prison than five years ago. More prisoners were murdered, killed themselves, self-harmed and were victims of assaults than five years ago,” said Hardwick. “The number of assaults and serious assaults against staff also rose.”
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jul/14/prisons-at-their-worst-level-for-10-years
New thread.
This unfortunate case is just the latest in a long never seeming to end, series of human and PR disasters. While Sir Stephen had the backing of ex-Justice Minister Kenny MacAskill, then he could survive just about anything, armed police attending minor incidents, massive police raids on massage parlours in Edinburgh, disbandment of specialist teams leading to a massive increase in breaking and entering, etc., etc.
Oh, I was forgetting the incident in Kirkcaldy, where it took 9 police officers to subdue 1 man with copious amounts of CS and pepper spray before handcuffing him and putting on leg restraints. This happened in May, on a pavement in the street, this year. The individual was dropped off at the Kirkcaldy Infirmary, still in handcuffs and restraints and died shortly after. The officers involved are still working, and have refused to hand over their notebooks or to be interviewed by PIRC, under the ruling that only Sir Stephen can allow the investigation by PIRC to proceed.
In engineering, it's generally best to work out what went wrong, then how to fix it, then pass any potential prosecutions or staff warnings to another organisation.
BTW, good to see you on a certain game's forums. I rad a post and thought: "It can't be!"