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If you think that the LAB leadership battle has been going on for a long time then you probably share the sentiments of the man pictured above sitting behind Burnham in Monday’s Victoria Derbyshire debate on BB2. It feels to have been running forever.
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Farage resigned on the same day as Miliband and Clegg and UKIP got a new leader within days.
Get a move on Labour.
We haven't done much to acknowledge this in Hampshire either. I feel ashamed.
Just think of the radical new policies that have come out like....eh, ok now I'm stuck.
He looks like he's about to sneeze.
Another 4 weeks of bickering, smear campaigns and outlandish comments as each candidate jostles for position? – Oh well, I guess all good things come to an end…!
It really has to be Cooper, doesn't it. When in doubt go for brains and she is plainly the smartest.
What I detest is the idiotic and meaningless figure of average income by gender being requested from the company. It doesn't take account of childbearing and rearing realities, and there is no way someone should have their career advanced 8 years because they decided to take time off to look after the family until they got to primary school age, where their peers didn't.
It also completely discounts the value of the job irrespective of the gender of the person doing it, and the different gender preferences for those jobs. If the particular business has some intrinsically low value jobs that on the whole one gender prefers doing for reasons of convenience or personal preference, and some intrinsically higher value jobs that the other gender prefers for the same reason, should they be pilloried on twitter by ignorant idiots for it, which is what will happen when these sorts of figures are published.
I also have the suspicion that this will backfire in the same way maternity pay laws have, employers that are getting a bad press for low pay for women, will just employ less women at the entry level, thereby increasing their average wage.
The terms Germany has inflicted on Greece have to be most harshest and humiliating since the terms Rome inflicted on Carthage after the Second Punic War.
Tsipras = Hannibal,
Your comments about equal pay are clearly sensible and everyone knows this.
But it's not convenient for some sections to acknowledge them. The unions see the gender pay gap as a lever to prise more pay from employers. That is one of their main purposes and sometimes there is a genuine gap. In theory, and I speak as an ex-union rep, they could do the same if men were being disadvantaged.
The feminists have their own agenda and facts are irrelevant. It provides a useful canvassing tool for politicians too. The current Labour leader and one of the possible leaders would struggle to distinguish themselves otherwise.
In essence, it has become politically convenient, so expect heat rather than light.
Police did not try to identify a child sex gang which exploited a 15-year-old girl for four years, a watchdog says.
Despite more than 40 child protection forms being completed, South Wales Police did not investigate the men or protect other children.
Her Majesty's Inspectorate of Constabulary examined the force earlier this year.
South Wales Police could not comment in detail about the cases but said "appropriate actions" had been taken.
HMIC also identified the case of another 15-year-old girl who had been raped by a pupil at her school.
"Although the initial response was good, the girl was not interviewed for five months," HMIC's Drusilla Sharpling said.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-33367342
Surely the public has the right to now what "appropriate actions have been taken". However the police think that they can excuse it all in a few meaningless words.
The fundamental problem remains. Greece thinks it has the democratic right to spend other peoples' money as it sees fit. They don't. They have the democratic right to spend their own money. Once they learn to live on their own money they will no longer be accountable but whilst they are living on the credit of the German taxpayer they are.
The telegraph is of course apoplectic that the Eurozone survives and is looking to stir up trouble but this story does have the potential to be a major headache for Cameron: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11737286/EU-demands-Britain-joins-Greek-rescue-fund.html
It is a useful test case of whether non EZ countries have adequate protection from the EZ acting in its own interests using EU money. If they do so and Cameron's renegotiation does not give us clear legal rights to stop such abuse in future I for one will be voting for out.
Johnson's a moron. "Ovaries good. Ovaries we need. Not man. Not man. Uterus must be had. Leaders need uterus. Gives strength. Gives wisdom. Wo-man! Wo-man!"
It's mental. It's discriminating against men, it's patronising towards women.
Mr. Indigo, if that's the way they're doing it then the figures produced will be worthless. You can only compare like with like (ie payment for the same job should be the same). In a hospital, doctors get paid more than nurses. Most nurses are female, so the average pay of women will be lower than the average pay of men. But if all nurses are paid fairly regardless of gender and likewise for doctors, that's no problem at all.
*slaps Mr. Eagles across the face with an enormo-haddock*
Show me Tsipras' taking of Saguntum. Or the Alpine march. Or Trasimene. Or Cannae. You silly fellow.
But she is dull.
This is the Tory party post Major revisited. A series of flawed leaders and a lack of direction giving the other major party a dominance that they don't necessarily deserve and which can lead to hubris and mistakes. An effective and intelligent opposition is an essential feature of good governance. We don't have one and it doesn't look like we will any time soon.
Mr Royale,
"We haven't done much to acknowledge this in Hampshire either. I feel ashamed."
So you should be.
What about the Irish famine? Tony Blair did apologise for it - although I expect he was too busy invading Iraq to worry about the situation developing in 1847. And having some Irish antecedents, I should apologise to my great-great grandparents for what my great-great grandparents did.
And when have the Danes ever apologised for the terrible Viking raids? Come on, Mrs Kinnock - it's all down to you*
*To be fair, we did raze Copenhagen in 1807 but they made us do it.
Now, it seems de rigueur. Not only on social media, but in public policy too.
Employers may have good reasons for a big difference. Let them talk that through. As with school league tables, the fact that some are blockheaded about the raw data doesn't mean it shouldn't be published.
Current preference.
Kendall
Cooper
Burnham
Corbyn
Yvette is an interesting one. I can't really work her out, or how good she'd be as leader. I am becoming more convinced she will do well in the leadership election, because she is not Kendall or Burnham and because of Cooper victory would make the Labour Party relatively comfortable with itself, I think.
This has been a pivotal few weeks for Brexit.
As was said below, the NHS will fail hugely, more women want to be nurses then men, nurses earn less than doctors, average pay will be massively different. The key measure is does a woman nurse with X years of experience and Y seniority earn the the same a a man with the same seniority and experience, and obviously the answer should be yes.
As a lawyer I can see why it would appeal to you, the number of lawsuits springing from this bit of idiocy is going to be a sight to behold.
I don't get what you're asking.
And BTW, Sean F (7.14): it is impossible for any employer of any size to treat all of its customers, employees, creditors, shareholders etc etc in an ethical fashion. There are simply too many conflicting obligations.
It seems like a no-brainer to me that they should pick Kendall, but I almost feel like Corbyn woud be more electable than Burnham.
It has to find a leader that has no connections to the years leading up to 2010 and it has four years to think widely and deeply.
I have a theory about having targets of any sort for gender balance. I remember when it began; there were some very competent women around but the ones preferentially promoted were the gobby ones, the loudmouths, the ones who seemed to have some of the characteristics of men.
I thought it was a deliberate policy of the men in charge to make it look like a silly policy. Now I think it wasn't. More likely, they had no idea what to look for in women and fell back on brash self-assurance, a sort of mannish character but with nothing beneath.
Definitely a lost opportunity.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/labour-leadership-supporting-george-osbornes-interventionism-would-help-labour-10386283.html
Be interesting to see what it is nowadays. I don't like naming and shaming and think its mostly counterproductive. However, I can see merit in applying pressure through public scrutiny to get their acts together.
There'll be some hollering that's entirely misplaced - as ever - but on the whole, I agree with what the Tories are doing here. Light being the best disinfectant and all that.
But Labour are not ready to learn the lesson yet. They would prefer to be in opposition for a generation. 5 wasted years under the 2 Eds.
I do not see Labour at the stage yet where they're ready for another Blairite. I think Kendall makes a lot of rank-and-file uneasy. Therefore I think they'll go for the compromise option in Cooper. I remain unconvinced however that the Labour Party will win again until it takes its head out of the sand, and I'm doubtful that would happen under her leadership, but stranger things have happened.
The move after that is to ask yourself why all your doctors are men and all your nurses are women, and start recruiting a bit more imaginatively.
Nicky Morgan said on Radio 4 that the consultation would consider how the figures are presented and presenting by grade was fine (and also pointed out that for the under 40's the gap was near non-existant).
The real problem is going to be the monitoring. If the government sets targets for women, disabled and other minorities then there will be a need for HR departments to spend a lot of time on monitoring, a need for the fabled diversity co-ordinator.
Or perhaps companies need to look a bit harder for the female talent and to think more often about promoting it.
Since no one is suggesting all women short lists for recruitment, it isn't the slightest bit like all women short lists.
As for Kendall being a winner. As a former Kendall supporter, I think her detractors - and not all of them are Corbyn Leftists - make several good points on her, in some ways. It's true that unlike Tony Blair in 1994, and David Miliband in 2010, Kendall has very little political experience. Both Blair and Miliband by the time of their respective leadership bids, had built up a base and profile - Blair had impressed as Shadow Home Secretary, and had been an MP for more than ten years. David Miliband had notably, been Foreign Secretary. There is also the point that Kendall lacks the charisma of Blair, and his ability to do 'triangulation', that could make shifting Labour towards the centre look plausible, and not merely an adaptation of Tory polices. Kendall also lacks the ability to sometimes try and appeal to Labour grassroots - even Blair did this sometimes, and certainly D Miliband was someone who I could never imagine joining the Conservative party, despite the fact Cameron appears to rate him. Kendall just needs to remind members why exactly she is Labour.
The question here is whether or not spend four years getting people riled up about policies you won't promise to reverse. Ed and Ed did this last time around, and I thought it was bullshit but politically clever, but it turned out to be less politically clever that I'd hoped.
Hannibal, by contrast, won the Battle of Cannae. Just a small difference there.
And I also agree with whoever said that what is happening to Greece has more in common with the Third Punic War rather than the Second.
That also doesn't take into account the necessary time off lots of women take due to raising a family (whether that's briefly as possible or because they take a few years out during their offspring's early childhood).
Trying to force the genders to be equally involved in every sector of work would be a feat of monumentally mad social engineering.
But other countries do this better and we can raise the aspiration of young girls and women. So we should try to do better also. It's a waste of some of our best resources to do otherwise.
The deal reportedly includes a compromise over the inspection of Iranian nuclear sites.
The EU announced a "final plenary" meeting at 08:30 GMT, followed by a news conference.
Six world powers including the US, Russia and the UK have been negotiating with Iran at the talks.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-33518524
http://www.policy-network.net/publications/4746/laying-the-foundations-for-a-labour-century
The common theme to the essays was decentralisation and devolution of power. I think that it is this view (closer to the LDs in terms of principle) that is so threatening to the centralising instincts of much of the Brownites.
She is also astute enough to know that when it comes to the next election that she doesn't want to be promising massive tax rises to reverse benefit cuts. She is the only candidate thinking about the next election rather than the last one.
The move after that is to ask yourself why all your doctors are men and all your nurses are women, and start recruiting a bit more imaginatively.
But what do you do if most of the qualified doctors are men and most of the qualified nurses are women? Individual companies can be creative but not an entire sector. You eventually hit the problem that women are more willing to sacrifice salary for other things when choosing careers.
What you need to have is a system where you provide the data by both role and time in role. But then you may be getting down to the point where you are releasing individual salaries.
There is more than oe problem. There is solid evidence that if you directly compared women and men as two groups, women get paid less than men. The reasons for that include the fact that women tend to take more time out than men to raise their families, that women take different sorts of jobs than men, including part time. Tackling that as an issue is huge. But one part of the problem is tacklable, and that is that women are paid less than men for doing exactly the same job, and this problem even manifests itself with starting salaries.
Two sources of further sensible information and background for those of you who want to for some reason pretend this is some sort of feminist fantasy and there is no discrimination occurring: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-business/11459172/Gender-pay-gap-legislation-How-will-it-work-for-women.html and http://www.equalpayportal.co.uk/statistics/
Those of you who follow the link to the Telegraph article will notice that it was written in March. That's because this proposal about getting large companies to publish data on pay inequality was a Lib Dem initiative which we finally got the Tories to accept in the dying days of the Coalition government, and which - slightly to my surprise - they are going to continue with now.
@paulwaugh: UKIP's @paulnuttallukip on SNP foxhunting sabs: "We Should Throw Sturgeon in Front of a Hunt Horse for Pankhurst Day" http://t.co/a1hSB4LJqP
Sturgeon is an extraordinary combination of sanctimony and irritation.
It's why I'm all in favour of role models telling girls that their opportunities are much wider than just being hairdressers.
But this also needs widening to other areas where there are disparities, including against men.
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I find that hard to believe, very shortsighted if true. The C of E would have imploded without women priests. There were just not enough men going for ordination.. They should be grateful they have a priest. One big church near to me was without an incumbent for 14 months. ... and that's not funny.
There are many things about the church that people have individual likes and dislikes. I prefer BCP but the C of E felt that Common Worship had to come in.. Same with happy clappy , (which is to me just awful) but for some its wonderful and those churches are full and cannot be ignored.
The public didn't understand that a recent astrophysicist had been given a risqué shirt by his girlfriend and generated a twitter storm that lost him his job. Or that an eminent Nobel scientist who had made an off colour joke had prefaced it will qualifying comments that were not reported, and that his accuser was using entirely fraudulent professional claims to give credibility to her accusation, and the resulting twitter storm lost him his job and professional memberships. I have a very low opinion of what a lot of the public is interested in understanding.
@foxinsoxuk I think you may have shown me that document sometime ago