Blinking heckers- just reading the thread- I know this site is mostly populated by Tory cheerleaders, but reading this thread, I didn't realise just how much. I've been posting here for 10 years, but it really is essentially a Tory site, apart from a couple of stubborn lefty dieharders.
Can't really agree. probably a small majority of tories, granted. Don't mistake people who think the current Labour franchise as being absolutely shocking as automatically Tory.
I think Mike did a poll of PBers last year. LDs were rather overrepresented but actually fairly evenly split between the parties.
If Ed did slip - hope it wasn't as bad as in "The Rise and Rise of Michael Rimmer" - where the PM slips and falls through a backdrop during a live political broadcast.
Great movie. Didn't he get power by pushing PM off oil rig?
Blinking heckers- just reading the thread- I know this site is mostly populated by Tory cheerleaders, but reading this thread, I didn't realise just how much. I've been posting here for 10 years, but it really is essentially a Tory site, apart from a couple of stubborn lefty dieharders.
Really, Plato- I remember at the 2005 election the site being quite balanced with a reasonable abundance of liberals. I think Tim's presence single handedly upped the lefties by about twenty fold. And really, read the threads. Labour posters rarely do any ramping.
BTW- I thought Cameron did alright, and so did Ed considering the hostility at the start. And Clegg is really quite good at these things- by far the smoothest.
Clegg reminded me why I used to like him so much. For my money it was a toss up between Clegg and Ed. But I would think that. It's hard to like someone who you think looks insincere
The most important item from this evening is Miliband's statement about cooperation with the SNP.
That and Ed's shocking denial about overspending. Ed seems to be living in denial - he should have acknowledged a mistake, drawn a line and moved on rather than denying anything was wrong in the first place.
The thing is, it's true. We went into the global financial crisis with rather low debt, and spending a lot during it was exactly the right thing to do.
But fighting the dumbed down morality tale of overspending is probably bad political tactics
Cameron was terrible. Ed surprisingly statesmanlike. But Clegg easily the most impressive of the three. Disappointed personally but it looks more likely than ever that Miliband gets to number 10.
Is Clegg saying the Lib Dems won't support a Conservative EU referendum plan? If so how can they go in to coalition together? Will this help them in SW England?
Because the Tories don't want to have a referendum, and a coalition with the LDs would give them a cover story?
Tony Fernandes @tonyfernandes · David Cameron was excellent in tonight’s #BBCQT - very strong, a great leader”. I was impressed. We need more leaders like this in asean
Bad news for Cameron.
With endorsements like Tony Fernandes, who needs...
Cameron was terrible. Ed surprisingly statesmanlike. But Clegg easily the most impressive of the three. Disappointed personally but it looks more likely than ever that Miliband gets to number 10.
Blinking heckers- just reading the thread- I know this site is mostly populated by Tory cheerleaders, but reading this thread, I didn't realise just how much. I've been posting here for 10 years, but it really is essentially a Tory site, apart from a couple of stubborn lefty dieharders.
Particularly bad this evening. Very few of us lefties can be bothered.
Artist And then Bennett and Sturgeon and Wood etc, they are all going to be on at some point tonight on the BBC (though not Bennett, although she was on ITV at 7.30pm)
Cameron was terrible. Ed surprisingly statesmanlike. But Clegg easily the most impressive of the three. Disappointed personally but it looks more likely than ever that Miliband gets to number 10.
The weekly phone that Clegg has been doing on LBC for two years has been really great preparation for an event last week. There's nothing that can be flung at him that he hasn't had to deal with before. Whether it makes any difference or not I don't know.
Blinking heckers- just reading the thread- I know this site is mostly populated by Tory cheerleaders, but reading this thread, I didn't realise just how much. I've been posting here for 10 years, but it really is essentially a Tory site, apart from a couple of stubborn lefty dieharders.
Particularly bad this evening. Very few of us lefties can be bothered.
Maybe it's just you've nothing much worth saying. What does the left stand for these days ?
If anybody wants to complain about unbalanced audiences it should be the SNP. Only 25% of the audience tonight are nationalist supporters somewhat understating the current position of the polls!
Blinking heckers- just reading the thread- I know this site is mostly populated by Tory cheerleaders, but reading this thread, I didn't realise just how much. I've been posting here for 10 years, but it really is essentially a Tory site, apart from a couple of stubborn lefty dieharders.
Particularly bad this evening. Very few of us lefties can be bothered.
Maybe it's just yoiu've nothing much worth saying. What does the left stand for these days ?
The usual. Standing up for the less fortunate. Equality. Fairness. Redistribution of wealth. Holding the rich and powerful to account.
If anybody wants to complain about unbalanced audiences it should be the SNP. Only 25% of the audience tonight are nationalist supporters somewhat understating the current position of the polls!
Cameron was terrible. Ed surprisingly statesmanlike. But Clegg easily the most impressive of the three. Disappointed personally but it looks more likely than ever that Miliband gets to number 10.
Let me guess that by Tuesday you'll be so disillusioned with Dave that with the most heartfelt sadness that this loyal 'trublue's' vote will be going to Ed.
Blinking heckers- just reading the thread- I know this site is mostly populated by Tory cheerleaders, but reading this thread, I didn't realise just how much. I've been posting here for 10 years, but it really is essentially a Tory site, apart from a couple of stubborn lefty dieharders.
Don't be silly. If you can be bothered to navigate back to the leaders' debate you will find that the (accurate) consensus was that both ed and cameron did an adequate but uninspiring job. There was very little ramping other than by a couple of short-lived tory trolls who seem to have vanished again. I was seriously worried that ed would turn in a good performance tonight, and I can promise you that if I thought he had I would have said so. He didn't, not by a long chalk.
Blinking heckers- just reading the thread- I know this site is mostly populated by Tory cheerleaders, but reading this thread, I didn't realise just how much. I've been posting here for 10 years, but it really is essentially a Tory site, apart from a couple of stubborn lefty dieharders.
Particularly bad this evening. Very few of us lefties can be bothered.
Maybe it's just yoiu've nothing much worth saying. What does the left stand for these days ?
The usual. Standing up for the less fortunate. Equality. Fairness. Redistribution of wealth. Holding the rich and powerful to account.
You should try it sometime. It's refreshing.
Thirteen years in power. You should have tried some of that sometime. It would have been refreshing....
@pollycurtis: Guardian/ICM poll: David Cameron on top 44% of viewers that Cameron was “best on the night”, compared to 38% for Miliband and 19% for Clegg
Cameron was terrible. Ed surprisingly statesmanlike. But Clegg easily the most impressive of the three. Disappointed personally but it looks more likely than ever that Miliband gets to number 10.
Let me guess that by Tuesday you'll be so disillusioned with Dave that with the most heartfelt sadness that this loyal 'trublue's' vote will be going to Ed.
I think that is probably fair, but I would up it to 8,8 and 7 for Ed. Ed loses one point because he kept his hands in his pocket, otherwise I would score drawer it.
I am incredibly impressed by the three of them and their back teams. No game changers I'm afraid.
Blinking heckers- just reading the thread- I know this site is mostly populated by Tory cheerleaders, but reading this thread, I didn't realise just how much. I've been posting here for 10 years, but it really is essentially a Tory site, apart from a couple of stubborn lefty dieharders.
Particularly bad this evening. Very few of us lefties can be bothered.
Maybe it's just yoiu've nothing much worth saying. What does the left stand for these days ?
The usual. Standing up for the less fortunate. Equality. Fairness. Redistribution of wealth. Holding the rich and powerful to account.
You should try it sometime. It's refreshing.
Yeah those are the words but it's not what you've actually done is it ?
Under Labour there was greater wealth inequality, rampant corporatism, workers pensions got screwed and the rich and powerful funded the party.
So aside from empty slogans what does the left stand for ?
If Ed did slip - hope it wasn't as bad as in "The Rise and Rise of Michael Rimmer" - where the PM slips and falls through a backdrop during a live political broadcast.
Great movie. Didn't he get power by pushing PM off oil rig?
One of the steps. As the Sun said (in the Movie) "There's Gold in them there drills". IIRC he becomes PM, makes everyone give their advice on every topic under the sun so that eventually they vote to let him make all the decisions. Can't remember how it ends exactly - but think an ex colleague (Arthur Lowe?) tries to assassinate him at the same time as another person does - and fails.
@pollycurtis: Guardian/ICM poll: David Cameron on top 44% of viewers that Cameron was “best on the night”, compared to 38% for Miliband and 19% for Clegg
Nonsense. That just reflects the pre-existing prejudices - the popularity of the leaders/parties. Clegg only half as good as Miliband??
The most important item from this evening is Miliband's statement about cooperation with the SNP.
That and Ed's shocking denial about overspending. Ed seems to be living in denial - he should have acknowledged a mistake, drawn a line and moved on rather than denying anything was wrong in the first place.
The thing is, it's true. We went into the global financial crisis with rather low debt, and spending a lot during it was exactly the right thing to do.
But fighting the dumbed down morality tale of overspending is probably bad political tactics
No we went in with spending far too high relative to the size of the economy because Gordon Brown foolishly thought he had eliminated boom and bust. When the bust did come it left us with a structural deficit of over 8% of GDP. Labour = economic ruin.
@pollycurtis: Guardian/ICM poll: David Cameron on top 44% of viewers that Cameron was “best on the night”, compared to 38% for Miliband and 19% for Clegg
Nonsense. That just reflects the pre-existing prejudices - the popularity of the leaders/parties. Clegg only half as good as Miliband??
The Paxo debates, didn't shift any votes, the 7 way didn't shift any votes, the 4 way debate didn't shift any votes.
I don't think this one will either,
The two big differences are that firstly it is very close to the actual vote, and secondly there are lots of playable soundbites from this - they are mostly bad for EM & good for DC.
If anybody wants to complain about unbalanced audiences it should be the SNP. Only 25% of the audience tonight are nationalist supporters somewhat understating the current position of the polls!
Sorry I was referring to Sturgeon's Q&A on BBC Scotland
Tony Fernandes @tonyfernandes · David Cameron was excellent in tonight’s #BBCQT - very strong, a great leader”. I was impressed. We need more leaders like this in asean
Yes, Tony. This month both you and David will be relegated.
Initial thoughts on the ICM poll is that Tories will be disappointed to not have a wider edge over Labour and the LibDems pleased with a score double their poll rating.
If anybody wants to complain about unbalanced audiences it should be the SNP. Only 25% of the audience tonight are nationalist supporters somewhat understating the current position of the polls!
Blinking heckers- just reading the thread- I know this site is mostly populated by Tory cheerleaders, but reading this thread, I didn't realise just how much. I've been posting here for 10 years, but it really is essentially a Tory site, apart from a couple of stubborn lefty dieharders.
Particularly bad this evening. Very few of us lefties can be bothered.
It'd be nice to see a bit more intervention by our OGH to counter the Tory bias here, but I guess he's liberal and not minded to. He gave Casino a nicely aimed cuff the other night though which was quite pleasing.
I just can't be bothered to take them on. It's like fighting mozzies on a balmy Florentine evening. They're just too many of the bugars and once you swat one away there are a zillion others taking their place.
IOS its a great time of year to be outside regardless of which colour rossette you fon. The blossom has been incredibly good this year and the country looking particularly beautiful.
The most important item from this evening is Miliband's statement about cooperation with the SNP.
That and Ed's shocking denial about overspending. Ed seems to be living in denial - he should have acknowledged a mistake, drawn a line and moved on rather than denying anything was wrong in the first place.
The thing is, it's true. We went into the global financial crisis with rather low debt, and spending a lot during it was exactly the right thing to do.
But fighting the dumbed down morality tale of overspending is probably bad political tactics
We went in with low debt due to legacy from before 2002. We did not go into it with a surplus or low deficit, we had a deficit from 2002 onwards. When do you think the crisis started?
Why do you think we had a 3% deficit before the crisis? Cyclical (Keynesian) spending is that you save in the good times and spend in the bad, we were maxing out spending in the good times so we had no chance when the bad times inevitably hit.
Let me guess that by Tuesday you'll be so disillusioned with Dave that with the most heartfelt sadness that this loyal 'trublue's' vote will be going to Ed.
Ha, no. Even Tony Blair couldn't persuade me to vote Labour. There's not a chance Ed Miliband would ever get me to vote red. I'll be voting Conservative and praying we can win enough seats to keep Red Ed out. But I'm growing more pessimistic by the day as you can probably tell.
Cameron was terrible. Ed surprisingly statesmanlike. But Clegg easily the most impressive of the three. Disappointed personally but it looks more likely than ever that Miliband gets to number 10.
The weekly phone that Clegg has been doing on LBC for two years has been really great preparation for an event last week. There's nothing that can be flung at him that he hasn't had to deal with before. Whether it makes any difference or not I don't know.
I honestly think he's a first rate political performer. Strategically a total idiot of course meaning he's got no way back now.
Initial thoughts on the ICM poll is that Tories will be disappointed to not have a wider edge over Labour and the LibDems pleased with a score double their poll rating.
I think that's pretty much a fair score and one which more than anything reflects the order of appearance rather than anything that came out of their mouths. Clegg was the best, he was the best in the debate too. But people have stopped listening to him.
Let me guess that by Tuesday you'll be so disillusioned with Dave that with the most heartfelt sadness that this loyal 'trublue's' vote will be going to Ed.
Ha, no. Even Tony Blair couldn't persuade me to vote Labour. There's not a chance Ed Miliband would ever get me to vote red. I'll be voting Conservative and praying we can win enough seats to keep Red Ed out. But I'm growing more pessimistic by the day as you can probably tell.
Blinking heckers- just reading the thread- I know this site is mostly populated by Tory cheerleaders, but reading this thread, I didn't realise just how much. I've been posting here for 10 years, but it really is essentially a Tory site, apart from a couple of stubborn lefty dieharders.
Particularly bad this evening. Very few of us lefties can be bothered.
Maybe it's just yoiu've nothing much worth saying. What does the left stand for these days ?
The usual. Standing up for the less fortunate. Equality. Fairness. Redistribution of wealth. Holding the rich and powerful to account.
You should try it sometime. It's refreshing.
It would be nice if there was a political party that did so.
A 6 point win for Cameron in the final debate, though not overwhelming, gives him the momentum going into the last week, with few other events likely to shift the votes now. Clegg also may have saved a little furniture with a 19% rating
A claim that this was sheffield 92 was particularly amusing.
As you hadn't the courage to say at the time. If the left has nothing to offer but apathetic aftertiming of this kind, is it any wonder that the right dominates? We can't write your posts for you, you know.
The way BBC Scotland have tried to hang her out to dry is risible, that she's standing up to the barrage and such an unrepresentative audience is telling.
The number of interrupts from BBC Scotland's Labourite stooge presenter is utterly disgraceful.
Let me guess that by Tuesday you'll be so disillusioned with Dave that with the most heartfelt sadness that this loyal 'trublue's' vote will be going to Ed.
Ha, no. Even Tony Blair couldn't persuade me to vote Labour. There's not a chance Ed Miliband would ever get me to vote red. I'll be voting Conservative and praying we can win enough seats to keep Red Ed out. But I'm growing more pessimistic by the day as you can probably tell.
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And really, read the threads. Labour posters rarely do any ramping.
BTW- I thought Cameron did alright, and so did Ed considering the hostility at the start. And Clegg is really quite good at these things- by far the smoothest.
But fighting the dumbed down morality tale of overspending is probably bad political tactics
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b05t1wnj
Any Con lead would be a surprise.
Clegg is Hull City.
Dave 7/10 .. Ed 5/10 .. Nick 7/10
With endorsements like Tony Fernandes, who needs...
A claim that this was sheffield 92 was particularly amusing.
I don't think this one will either,
Wish Prescott had been taking the questions.
Does anyone know why their UKIP share tends to be higher? Is it weighting?
Standing up for the less fortunate.
Equality.
Fairness.
Redistribution of wealth.
Holding the rich and powerful to account.
You should try it sometime. It's refreshing.
the (accurate) consensus was that both ed and cameron did an adequate but uninspiring job. There was very little ramping other than by a couple of short-lived tory trolls who seem to have vanished again. I was seriously worried that ed would turn in a good performance tonight, and I can promise you that if I thought he had I would have said so. He didn't, not by a long chalk.
@georgeeaton: No one dazzled tonight - but Cameron held up best on the torture rack. #bbcqt
No one will ever match that
I am and yes Lab voters are very excited - but to be honest we are looking to go into government so we should be.
"Maybe it's just you've nothing much worth saying. What does the left stand for these days ?"
Sex drugs and hard working families
Should have been "Will you vote against a Tory Queen's Speech?"
I am incredibly impressed by the three of them and their back teams. No game changers I'm afraid.
Under Labour there was greater wealth inequality, rampant corporatism, workers pensions got screwed and the rich and powerful funded the party.
So aside from empty slogans what does the left stand for ?
Cameron 44
Miliband 38
Britain Elects @britainelects
#BBCQT snap poll (ICM):
Cameron - 44%
Miliband - 38%
Clegg - 19%
So Cameron win may be bigger than headline numbers suggest.
An interesting article on Grany Shapps and Wikipedia:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/04/30/grant_shapps_may_not_have_been_wiki_fiddling/
The comments are interesting, for mostly sad reasons.
Scores are so close that it matters little to anything.
"The Paxo debates, didn't shift any votes, the 7 way didn't shift any votes, the 4 way debate didn't shift any votes."
It probably won't but I'd be surprised if the unaligned don't find Ed a much more attractive personality than they'd thought before. I certainly did
Miliband: stumbling
Clegg: sidelined
Audience: savage
#bbcqt
Edit this is irrelevant already
I just can't be bothered to take them on. It's like fighting mozzies on a balmy Florentine evening. They're just too many of the bugars and once you swat one away there are a zillion others taking their place.
https://twitter.com/bbcvideo/status/593878630264012800?lang=en-gb
The Quiet Bat People team should have spent more hours practicing walking...
Why do you think we had a 3% deficit before the crisis? Cyclical (Keynesian) spending is that you save in the good times and spend in the bad, we were maxing out spending in the good times so we had no chance when the bad times inevitably hit.
Besides the important stuff starts now: the news teams start to spin; that's where the votes will shift.
(and before anyone says, that is a view I've had well before this GE, and is based on SCIENCE !!!!!!)
;-)
Bit of paranioa there. just as favourable to Dave as Ed before hand.
Clegg was the best, he was the best in the debate too. But people have stopped listening to him.
The number of interrupts from BBC Scotland's Labourite stooge presenter is utterly disgraceful.