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  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,033
    I expected Ed to walk this, in all honesty. Obviously saved the worst performance 'til last.
  • What Ed is saying is Vote for me because we made loads of mistakes last time!
  • marke09 said:

    Any Leanne Wood fans ? She is on BBC one Wales at 10.40pm

    I'm a Leanne Wood fan.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    chestnut said:

    His worm has just gone subterranean

    Is there a worm?
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited April 2015
    The asking the name business getting irritating. Isn't it Rebecca?

  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,983
    Ed sounds much less fake but perhaps that's because he's got a more engaging personality. As for content....they're all talking bollocks
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,223
    A friend has just texted me and pointed out that Ed's only name checking the female members of the audience.
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    Saltire said:

    Is Miliband really just ruling out any Labour government unless it is the biggest party?

    Seems like it, this will be thrown at him if he does try it.
  • Roger said:

    Ed sounds much less fake but perhaps that's because he's got a more engaging personality. As for content....they're all talking bollocks

    He certainly is
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    Saltire said:

    Is Miliband really just ruling out any Labour government unless it is the biggest party?

    He's saying given the opportunity he'd lead a minority government and the SNP can accept it or not. Not sure how he gets the opportunity
  • Ed has just effectively ruled out being PM. EICWNBPM
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,780
    So if ed doesnt get a majority, he wont be PM?
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Tootipegs is dying in a ditch here, all it needs is someone to bury him. Spades anyone!!!!!
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    Miliband not getting the opportunity to say anything positive.

    He's just fending off:

    - Overspending
    - SNP
    - No EU referendum
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited April 2015

    The asking the name business getting irritating. Isn't it Rebecca?

    Yes it is... what's your name again?!

    When he kept saying "My manifesto" then it reminded me of One Flew Over The Cuckoos Nest... "I want MY cigarettes!!"
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,774
    "I want to govern"
    But do we want him to? That's the point.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,712
    First friendly question cut off by Dimbleby?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,223
    Ed might not do a deal with the SNP, doesn't mean Labour won't ditch him for a leader who will.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,706
    Ed's doing well.
  • ItwasriggedItwasrigged Posts: 154
    Oh Dear! Millibland train crash and on the BBC as well!
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Paul Waugh ‏@paulwaugh 57s58 seconds ago
    Someone in Team Ed blundered by telling him to keep asking the Questioner's name. Comes off as cheesy at best, insincere at worst
  • peterbusspeterbuss Posts: 109
    Blueberry said:

    I'm listening on the radio and get the impression Cameron is nailing this. Lots of energy, articulate and very strong on the detail. He's doing well.

    Blueberry said:

    I'm listening on the radio and get the impression Cameron is nailing this. Lots of energy, articulate and very strong on the detail. He's doing well.

    Interesting Blueberry - I listened to Cam on the radio as well and he sounded really good. With his many Cameron Direct meetings where the audiences are not screened he will have been very used to hostile questioning.

  • If Dumblby had a pistol he would have put Ed out of his misery by now.
  • MimusMimus Posts: 56
    Cameron mispoke in his first answer because he was trying to avoid waffling, ed isn't as sharp tonight.
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507
    he asked the girl her name and 5 mins later he refers to her as the woman at the end.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,417
    tlg86 said:

    Ed might not do a deal with the SNP, doesn't mean Labour won't ditch him for a leader who will.

    I've laid Dave and laid Ed for a reason in the PM markets.
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    MikeL said:

    Miliband not getting the opportunity to say anything positive.

    He's just fending off:

    Yep, that's the overriding impression: he's not talking about any of his manifesto, just reacting to attack.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    JackW said:

    Ed being grilled too.

    This is not an easy gig.

    I'm shocked that an audience e of 75% non-Labour voters is hostile to the leader of the Labour party. Shocked.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,504

    JackW said:

    Coming to a TV near you in a few minutes .... multiple gasms, but will it be a :

    Camgasm or Miligasm or a Cleggasm

    Or an apathyism?
    A rather-be-watching-the-other-channelism?
    A they're-as-bad-as-each-otherism?

    I think you missed my predictions this morning, the Jessop Integrated Summing Mechanism (JISM), which will overtake your ARSE to become the outstanding electorate prediction benchmark.
    This just gets worse. Do I need to introduce you to Fox's Universal Constituency Knowledge?
    I say "Yeah!" to Fox's Universal Constituency Knowledge.

    Fox's Universal Constituency Knowledge Yeah!
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    Jonathan said:

    Ed's doing well.

    What at?
  • IOSIOS Posts: 1,450
    Think Ed is doing well under heavy fire.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    BBC editing team going to have their work cut out to make Ed look good...I guess they will have to settle for making Cameron look shit as well.
  • He wants to implement all his manifesto but won't do a deal with anyone else or compromise. What if they all vote everything down?
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    tlg86 said:

    A friend has just texted me and pointed out that Ed's only name checking the female members of the audience.

    I would love it if some one replied with a Bart Simpson name. Is Ben Dover in the audience?
  • MontyMonty Posts: 346
    I said yesterday that Labour would not cooperate with SNP. Ed just confirmed it.
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    Roger said:

    Ed sounds much less fake but perhaps that's because he's got a more engaging personality. As for content....they're all talking bollocks

    You write incredibly good comedy, thank you.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    First friendly question cut off by Dimbleby?

    Questioner got to repeat it a moment later. Meaning hostile question on Tories repeated twice. I don't recall any of Cameron's questioners savaging Labour while asking a clearly staged question.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,952
    Ed is unemployable. If this was for a junior office role, you'd be calling for the next interviewee.

    He is that most dangerous person to have in any company - arrogance matched with stupidity.
  • IOSIOS Posts: 1,450
    Ed doing very well now. Survived the onslaught at the start. good stuff.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    edited April 2015
    Market reacting to Miliband comment - huge move in next PM.

    Cameron in from over 2.5 to 2.28

    Miliband out from 1.64 to 1.74

  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,223

    tlg86 said:

    A friend has just texted me and pointed out that Ed's only name checking the female members of the audience.

    I would love it if some one replied with a Bart Simpson name. Is Ben Dover in the audience?
    Amanda Hugandkiss
  • I was asked to be up at 5am and go knock up the voters in West Yorkshire on election day.

    I was umming and ahhing about it.

    After tonight, I soooo am
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,712
    Will anyone stay watching for Clegg?
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    Roger said:

    Ed sounds much less fake but perhaps that's because he's got a more engaging personality. As for content....they're all talking bollocks

    I couldn't see him, but could see DC, running a shell game.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,706

    Jonathan said:

    Ed's doing well.

    What at?
    He's toughing it out under hostile fire. Prepared to disagree with people he disagrees with. Much more substance than the flannel before.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,774
    Ed has modelled his q&a style on Blair.
  • IOS said:

    Ed doing very well now. Survived the onslaught at the start. good stuff.

    You must be watching a different programme
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,983
    What a shame they didn't get PBers to ask the questions then they could have crowned Dave this evening.
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917

    BBC editing team going to have their work cut out to make Ed look good...I guess they will have to settle for making Cameron look shit as well.

    Bet they don't even use Overspend-gate.
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486

    I was asked to be up at 5am and go knock up the voters in West Yorkshire on election day.

    I was umming and ahhing about it.

    After tonight, I soooo am

    How does your wife feel about this?
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    edited April 2015
    Alistair said:

    JackW said:

    Ed being grilled too.

    This is not an easy gig.

    I'm shocked that an audience e of 75% non-Labour voters is hostile to the leader of the Labour party. Shocked.
    Maybe the BBC have got in an impartial audience (must note this in my diary). Note that 75% WERE non-Tory voters. (Perhaps Farage calling in the police and other politicians drawing attention to their innate leftwing bias has scared them a bit.)

    Hope those champagne bottles were on a sale-or-return basis.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Will anyone stay watching for Clegg?

    Politics geeks like us.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    geoffw said:

    Ed has modelled his q&a style on Blair.

    Just without the charisma, knowledge or competency.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Chameleon said:

    chestnut said:

    His worm has just gone subterranean

    Is there a worm?
    There are always worms with the Sun :-)

    http://www.sunnation.co.uk/what-will-twitter-make-of-tonights-question-time-debate/
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Not doing well is he ? (Milliband) - pleases me the audience sees through him.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    chestnut said:

    Chameleon said:

    chestnut said:

    His worm has just gone subterranean

    Is there a worm?
    There are always worms with the Sun :-)

    http://www.sunnation.co.uk/what-will-twitter-make-of-tonights-question-time-debate/
    Ty.
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917

    Will anyone stay watching for Clegg?

    Not a chance.

    Big new drama 'The Game' starts on BBC2 at 9pm.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,712
    Jonathan said:

    Ed's doing well.

    He really isn't, Jonathan. Believe me, I'd begrudgingly acknowledge it if he was.
  • MillsyMillsy Posts: 900
    Wow Miliband has a tough gig here. He was quite good in the earlier debates but to my mind he's saved the worst til last - and on prime time BBC TV!
  • IOSIOS Posts: 1,450
    Lol would you hell Casino!
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    Ed's doing well.

    What at?
    He's toughing it out under hostile fire. Prepared to disagree with people he disagrees with. Much more substance than the flannel before.
    He's rambling now about zero contracts.

    If he lived in the real world he wouldn't even get offered one of those.
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    edited April 2015
    @Roger

    'What a shame they didn't get PBers to ask the questions then they could have crowned Dave this evening.'

    A left leaning audience,with Dimbleby not asking any awkward questions & letting Ed not answer the questions, even with your blinkers on should see how hopeless Ed is.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Employers are the reason for high migration now.

    Is there any problem in Ed's ivory tower that isn't caused by employment.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300

    Ed is unemployable. If this was for a junior office role, you'd be calling for the next interviewee.

    He is that most dangerous person to have in any company - arrogance matched with stupidity.

    I divide my officers into four groups. There are clever, diligent, stupid, and lazy officers. Usually two characteristics are combined. Some are clever and diligent -- their place is the General Staff. The next lot are stupid and lazy -- they make up 90 percent of every army and are suited to routine duties. Anyone who is both clever and lazy is qualified for the highest leadership duties, because he possesses the intellectual clarity and the composure necessary for difficult decisions. One must beware of anyone who is stupid and diligent -- he must not be entrusted with any responsibility because he will always cause only mischief.

    Kurt von Hammerstein-Equord
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,780
    Is ED looking for a date....
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Another female name check. Is he looking for a date?
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Well quite. Tony was a master of this stuff. EdM is just dreadful unless it's before a tame Labour t-shirt wearing audience.
    Chameleon said:

    geoffw said:

    Ed has modelled his q&a style on Blair.

    Just without the charisma, knowledge or competency.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,712
    IOS said:

    Lol would you hell Casino!

    Then you don't know me very well. I have said for months the Tories have been underestimating Miliband.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,417
    "And let me tell you what we're going to do "

    The man's come across fucking awfully tonight.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    So far ....

    Cam 7/10 .. Ed 5/10
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    edited April 2015
    "overpromise and under-deliver"---nice riff
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341

    Jonathan said:

    Ed's doing well.

    He really isn't, Jonathan. Believe me, I'd begrudgingly acknowledge it if he was.
    If Ed is getting a negative on twitter, then he has a problem.

    The twitter demographic should generally be a little bit more favourable to him.
  • FensterFenster Posts: 2,115
    geoffw said:

    Ed has modelled his q&a style on Blair.

    Blair was the undisputed master at this stuff, but I suppose he never had a crashed economy to defend.

    He had Iraq to defend but he fiercely believed he was right on Iraq and argued it as a matter of opinion. It's a fact that the economy went south and Miliband was a Treasury adviser. It's tougher for him.

  • He fell over (well nearly)
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,712
    Miliband's ending slightly better. He got back on track a bit. But I don't think he'll be very pleased with that.
  • JamesMJamesM Posts: 221
    Miliband had a tough start and handled it alright. He got a lot stronger as it went on too. But overall he was weaker than Cameron.
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    Pulpstar said:

    "And let me tell you what we're going to do "

    The man's come across fucking awfully tonight.

    Con maj nailed on then?
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    Bet Clegg does okay. He's good at this, like Cammo.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Student Loan question is essentially softball now for Clegg as it's so predictable he's dealt with it so many times before.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,672
    Not watching, but shocked to find that on PB all righties think Ed is doing badly and all lefties think he is doing well. Whoever would have thought it?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    Hell yeah...at least I tried....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggA0vSzwRYo
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,417

    Not watching, but shocked to find that on PB all righties think Ed is doing badly and all lefties think he is doing well. Whoever would have thought it?

    Southam I've voted Tory in the past and frequently do but trust me Ed didn't do too well. That's my honest opinion.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,780
    Toms said:

    "overpromise and under-deliver"---nice riff

    It was a good ending, but he struggled
  • Not watching, but shocked to find that on PB all righties think Ed is doing badly and all lefties think he is doing well. Whoever would have thought it?

    Check out the worm - no contest Ed was poor
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,952
    dr_spyn said:

    Ed is unemployable. If this was for a junior office role, you'd be calling for the next interviewee.

    He is that most dangerous person to have in any company - arrogance matched with stupidity.

    I divide my officers into four groups. There are clever, diligent, stupid, and lazy officers. Usually two characteristics are combined. Some are clever and diligent -- their place is the General Staff. The next lot are stupid and lazy -- they make up 90 percent of every army and are suited to routine duties. Anyone who is both clever and lazy is qualified for the highest leadership duties, because he possesses the intellectual clarity and the composure necessary for difficult decisions. One must beware of anyone who is stupid and diligent -- he must not be entrusted with any responsibility because he will always cause only mischief.

    Kurt von Hammerstein-Equord
    Nice quote, Sir!
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I'm getting the impression from EdM that he's getting pissed off with this. Not a good look - his voice rises and gets very emphatic. Not reassuring, annoyed.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Farage would have excelled here, shame he was given the shut out

    Was going to say Clegg is like the bumper race at the end of a decent jumps card that no one hangs around to watch.. but Nige is still to come haha

  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,223

    Not watching, but shocked to find that on PB all righties think Ed is doing badly and all lefties think he is doing well. Whoever would have thought it?

    Trying to be impartial about this, I was shocked how hostile the audience was towards him and I'm afraid Ed did not handle it well. Of course, it may make little difference. The line about the SNP could make things interesting though.
  • IOSIOS Posts: 1,450
    Thought that Ed did well under harsher questions.
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917

    Not watching, but shocked to find that on PB all righties think Ed is doing badly and all lefties think he is doing well. Whoever would have thought it?

    Seriously, Cam was on form and Mili had a poor night.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,417
    JackW said:

    So far ....

    Cam 7/10 .. Ed 5/10

    Generous to Ed.
  • IOSIOS Posts: 1,450
    Clegg seems kinda irrelevant
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    tom bradby ✔ @tombradby

    Ed is impressively calm and confident, but I am not sure he has got through this entirely unscathed. Really hard questions

  • MillsyMillsy Posts: 900

    Not watching, but shocked to find that on PB all righties think Ed is doing badly and all lefties think he is doing well. Whoever would have thought it?

    Just wait for the after-show poll... (if there is one)
  • A lot of this sort of thing is so subjective. Your bloke always sounds better than theirs.
    Spoke with Portsmouth contact tonight and Penny looking safe as houses in Pompey North and Flick in with s good chance in South. Portsmouth in the 21st C is not on paper natural Tory territory. Hoping this bodes well for next week.
  • FensterFenster Posts: 2,115

    Not watching, but shocked to find that on PB all righties think Ed is doing badly and all lefties think he is doing well. Whoever would have thought it?

    He started really poorly and looked dumbstruck under hostile fire but he got better towards the end. Saying Labour didn't overspend to chuckling ridicule from the audience didn't look so good.

  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Douglas Carswell ✔ @DouglasCarswell

    Gosh! This is a tough audience. Far better, more insightful questioning than the pro pundits dish out #bbcqt

  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,672
    Oh dear. Harry did not look at the times.

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