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  • Smarmeron
    Smarmeron Posts: 5,099
    Sorry, the Guardian blog has the video.
  • foxinsoxuk
    foxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Greenwich_Floater said:

    tyson said:

    Blinking heckers- just reading the thread- I know this site is mostly populated by Tory cheerleaders, but reading this thread, I didn't realise just how much. I've been posting here for 10 years, but it really is essentially a Tory site, apart from a couple of stubborn lefty dieharders.

    Can't really agree. probably a small majority of tories, granted. Don't mistake people who think the current Labour franchise as being absolutely shocking as automatically Tory.
    I think Mike did a poll of PBers last year. LDs were rather overrepresented but actually fairly evenly split between the parties.
  • Toffeenose
    Toffeenose Posts: 19
    weejonnie said:

    If Ed did slip - hope it wasn't as bad as in "The Rise and Rise of Michael Rimmer" - where the PM slips and falls through a backdrop during a live political broadcast.

    Great movie. Didn't he get power by pushing PM off oil rig?
  • tyson
    tyson Posts: 6,122
    Plato said:

    @Sean_Fear used to be a lone Tory voice once. It's a reflection of the mood - look how many SNPers and Kippers we have...

    tyson said:

    Blinking heckers- just reading the thread- I know this site is mostly populated by Tory cheerleaders, but reading this thread, I didn't realise just how much. I've been posting here for 10 years, but it really is essentially a Tory site, apart from a couple of stubborn lefty dieharders.

    Really, Plato- I remember at the 2005 election the site being quite balanced with a reasonable abundance of liberals. I think Tim's presence single handedly upped the lefties by about twenty fold.
    And really, read the threads. Labour posters rarely do any ramping.

    BTW- I thought Cameron did alright, and so did Ed considering the hostility at the start. And Clegg is really quite good at these things- by far the smoothest.

  • Artist
    Artist Posts: 1,893
    Could have easily had Farage on for the next half hour..
  • Saltire
    Saltire Posts: 525
    Now for Nicola on BBC Scotland
  • Roger
    Roger Posts: 20,744
    edited April 2015
    Clegg reminded me why I used to like him so much. For my money it was a toss up between Clegg and Ed. But I would think that. It's hard to like someone who you think looks insincere
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    test
  • Freggles
    Freggles Posts: 3,487
    what channel for farage
  • peter_from_putney
    peter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    Nightly YouGov poll in 60 minutes. Following the present trend, I'm looking for a Tory 2% lead.
  • William_H
    William_H Posts: 346
    Philip_Thompson said:

    Monty said:

    The most important item from this evening is Miliband's statement about cooperation with the SNP.

    That and Ed's shocking denial about overspending. Ed seems to be living in denial - he should have acknowledged a mistake, drawn a line and moved on rather than denying anything was wrong in the first place.
    The thing is, it's true. We went into the global financial crisis with rather low debt, and spending a lot during it was exactly the right thing to do.

    But fighting the dumbed down morality tale of overspending is probably bad political tactics
  • anotherDave
    anotherDave Posts: 6,746
    edited April 2015
    Artist said:

    Could have easily had Farage on for the next half hour..

    He's going to be on later. BBC 1, 10.50pm.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b05t1wnj
  • MikeL
    MikeL Posts: 7,809
    peter_from_putney said:

    Nightly YouGov poll in 60 minutes. Following the present trend, I'm looking for a Tory 2% lead.

    Con led by ONE person last night - which rounded to a 1% lead.

    Any Con lead would be a surprise.
  • Freggles
    Freggles Posts: 3,487
    So that's not him on BBC 4?
  • trublue
    trublue Posts: 103
    Cameron was terrible. Ed surprisingly statesmanlike. But Clegg easily the most impressive of the three. Disappointed personally but it looks more likely than ever that Miliband gets to number 10.
  • anotherDave
    anotherDave Posts: 6,746
    JamesM said:

    Is Clegg saying the Lib Dems won't support a Conservative EU referendum plan? If so how can they go in to coalition together? Will this help them in SW England?

    Because the Tories don't want to have a referendum, and a coalition with the LDs would give them a cover story?
  • Mimus
    Mimus Posts: 56
    Watching Clegg is like having last year's losing cup finalists relive their past failure.

    Clegg is Hull City.
  • JackW
    JackW Posts: 14,787
    JackW Scores on The Doors :

    Dave 7/10 .. Ed 5/10 .. Nick 7/10
  • chestnut
    chestnut Posts: 7,341
    Tykejohnno said:

    QPR chairman -

    Tony Fernandes @tonyfernandes
    ·
    David Cameron was excellent in tonight’s #BBCQT - very strong, a great leader”. I was impressed. We need more leaders like this in asean

    Bad news for Cameron.

    With endorsements like Tony Fernandes, who needs...
  • KentRising
    KentRising Posts: 2,926
    trublue said:

    Cameron was terrible. Ed surprisingly statesmanlike. But Clegg easily the most impressive of the three. Disappointed personally but it looks more likely than ever that Miliband gets to number 10.

    Sorry, but nurse!
  • Monty
    Monty Posts: 346
    tyson said:

    Blinking heckers- just reading the thread- I know this site is mostly populated by Tory cheerleaders, but reading this thread, I didn't realise just how much. I've been posting here for 10 years, but it really is essentially a Tory site, apart from a couple of stubborn lefty dieharders.

    Particularly bad this evening. Very few of us lefties can be bothered.
  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    Artist And then Bennett and Sturgeon and Wood etc, they are all going to be on at some point tonight on the BBC (though not Bennett, although she was on ITV at 7.30pm)
  • MikeSmithson
    MikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    trublue said:

    Cameron was terrible. Ed surprisingly statesmanlike. But Clegg easily the most impressive of the three. Disappointed personally but it looks more likely than ever that Miliband gets to number 10.

    The weekly phone that Clegg has been doing on LBC for two years has been really great preparation for an event last week. There's nothing that can be flung at him that he hasn't had to deal with before. Whether it makes any difference or not I don't know.

  • IOS
    IOS Posts: 1,450
    Monty

    A claim that this was sheffield 92 was particularly amusing.
  • Alanbrooke
    Alanbrooke Posts: 25,926
    edited April 2015
    Monty said:

    tyson said:

    Blinking heckers- just reading the thread- I know this site is mostly populated by Tory cheerleaders, but reading this thread, I didn't realise just how much. I've been posting here for 10 years, but it really is essentially a Tory site, apart from a couple of stubborn lefty dieharders.

    Particularly bad this evening. Very few of us lefties can be bothered.
    Maybe it's just you've nothing much worth saying. What does the left stand for these days ?
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,805
    The Paxo debates, didn't shift any votes, the 7 way didn't shift any votes, the 4 way debate didn't shift any votes.

    I don't think this one will either,
  • Saltire
    Saltire Posts: 525
    If anybody wants to complain about unbalanced audiences it should be the SNP. Only 25% of the audience tonight are nationalist supporters somewhat understating the current position of the polls!
  • Slackbladder
    Slackbladder Posts: 9,800
    Osborne looks very chipper
  • foxinsoxuk
    foxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Mimus said:

    Watching Clegg is like having last year's losing cup finalists relive their past failure.

    Clegg is Hull City.

    Hull have just pulled off an unlikely late recovery and look set to survive.
  • Jonathan
    Jonathan Posts: 22,107
    Didn't like some of the QT audience. You don't have to be aggressive or rude to ask tough questions.

    Wish Prescott had been taking the questions.
  • anotherDave
    anotherDave Posts: 6,746
    Re: Panelbase.
    Does anyone know why their UKIP share tends to be higher? Is it weighting?
  • Jonathan
    Jonathan Posts: 22,107
    Slackbladder said:

    Osborne looks very chipper

    Fancies he's got a shot at LoO.
  • Concanvasser
    Concanvasser Posts: 190
    Monty and Tyson and any left of centre friends, are you canvassing. Any sense of whether your voters bouyed up for next week?
  • Alanbrooke
    Alanbrooke Posts: 25,926
    Slackbladder said:

    Osborne looks very chipper

    Hopefully someone will shove him in a deep fat frier.
  • Monty
    Monty Posts: 346
    Alanbrooke said:

    Monty said:

    tyson said:

    Blinking heckers- just reading the thread- I know this site is mostly populated by Tory cheerleaders, but reading this thread, I didn't realise just how much. I've been posting here for 10 years, but it really is essentially a Tory site, apart from a couple of stubborn lefty dieharders.

    Particularly bad this evening. Very few of us lefties can be bothered.
    Maybe it's just yoiu've nothing much worth saying. What does the left stand for these days ?
    The usual.
    Standing up for the less fortunate.
    Equality.
    Fairness.
    Redistribution of wealth.
    Holding the rich and powerful to account.

    You should try it sometime. It's refreshing.
  • Plato
    Plato Posts: 15,724
    When the SNP puts up candidates outside Scotland - you'll have a point.
    Saltire said:

    If anybody wants to complain about unbalanced audiences it should be the SNP. Only 25% of the audience tonight are nationalist supporters somewhat understating the current position of the polls!

  • JohnO
    JohnO Posts: 4,312
    edited April 2015
    trublue said:

    Cameron was terrible. Ed surprisingly statesmanlike. But Clegg easily the most impressive of the three. Disappointed personally but it looks more likely than ever that Miliband gets to number 10.

    Let me guess that by Tuesday you'll be so disillusioned with Dave that with the most heartfelt sadness that this loyal 'trublue's' vote will be going to Ed.
  • Ishmael_X
    Ishmael_X Posts: 3,664
    tyson said:

    Blinking heckers- just reading the thread- I know this site is mostly populated by Tory cheerleaders, but reading this thread, I didn't realise just how much. I've been posting here for 10 years, but it really is essentially a Tory site, apart from a couple of stubborn lefty dieharders.

    Don't be silly. If you can be bothered to navigate back to the leaders' debate you will find that
    the (accurate) consensus was that both ed and cameron did an adequate but uninspiring job. There was very little ramping other than by a couple of short-lived tory trolls who seem to have vanished again. I was seriously worried that ed would turn in a good performance tonight, and I can promise you that if I thought he had I would have said so. He didn't, not by a long chalk.
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,457
    Monty said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    Monty said:

    tyson said:

    Blinking heckers- just reading the thread- I know this site is mostly populated by Tory cheerleaders, but reading this thread, I didn't realise just how much. I've been posting here for 10 years, but it really is essentially a Tory site, apart from a couple of stubborn lefty dieharders.

    Particularly bad this evening. Very few of us lefties can be bothered.
    Maybe it's just yoiu've nothing much worth saying. What does the left stand for these days ?
    The usual.
    Standing up for the less fortunate.
    Equality.
    Fairness.
    Redistribution of wealth.
    Holding the rich and powerful to account.

    You should try it sometime. It's refreshing.
    Thirteen years in power. You should have tried some of that sometime. It would have been refreshing....
  • surbiton
    surbiton Posts: 13,549
    IOS said:

    HYUFD

    The Sun worm says Miliband won it!!

    The Sun doesn't lie with gritted teeth !

  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    The Staggers calls it for Dave...

    @georgeeaton: No one dazzled tonight - but Cameron held up best on the torture rack. #bbcqt
  • JackW
    JackW Posts: 14,787
    Jonathan said:

    Didn't like some of the QT audience. You don't have to be aggressive or rude to ask tough questions.

    Wish Prescott had been taking the questions.

    Only if you wanted another Prezza punch up.

  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @pollycurtis: Guardian/ICM poll: David Cameron on top 44% of viewers that Cameron was “best on the night”, compared to 38% for Miliband and 19% for Clegg
  • KentRising
    KentRising Posts: 2,926
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    The Paxo debates, didn't shift any votes, the 7 way didn't shift any votes, the 4 way debate didn't shift any votes.

    I don't think this one will either,

    That may be so, but this was BBC prime time with 7 days until polling day.

  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,805
    JohnO said:

    trublue said:

    Cameron was terrible. Ed surprisingly statesmanlike. But Clegg easily the most impressive of the three. Disappointed personally but it looks more likely than ever that Miliband gets to number 10.

    Let me guess that by Tuesday you'll be so disillusioned with Dave that with the most heartfelt sadness that this loyal 'trublue's' vote will be going to Ed.
    I miss Phil Us Blues Roberts.

    No one will ever match that
  • IOS
    IOS Posts: 1,450
    Concanvasser

    I am and yes Lab voters are very excited - but to be honest we are looking to go into government so we should be.
  • Roger
    Roger Posts: 20,744
    Alanbrooke

    "Maybe it's just you've nothing much worth saying. What does the left stand for these days ?"

    Sex drugs and hard working families
  • TheKrakenAwakes
    TheKrakenAwakes Posts: 553
    Did Milliband really confirm that he'd rather see Cameron in Downing Street than be in Coalition with Lib Dems?
  • foxinsoxuk
    foxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    The Paxo debates, didn't shift any votes, the 7 way didn't shift any votes, the 4 way debate didn't shift any votes.

    I don't think this one will either,

    Paxman on the Last Leg at 2200.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,805
    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/593877772247896064
  • IOS
    IOS Posts: 1,450
    Loving The Sun twitter worm giving it to Miliband.
  • RodCrosby
    RodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Miliband was asked the wrong question.

    Should have been "Will you vote against a Tory Queen's Speech?"
  • tyson
    tyson Posts: 6,122
    JackW said:

    JackW Scores on The Doors :

    Dave 7/10 .. Ed 5/10 .. Nick 7/10

    I think that is probably fair, but I would up it to 8,8 and 7 for Ed. Ed loses one point because he kept his hands in his pocket, otherwise I would score drawer it.

    I am incredibly impressed by the three of them and their back teams. No game changers I'm afraid.
  • Alanbrooke
    Alanbrooke Posts: 25,926
    edited April 2015
    Monty said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    Monty said:

    tyson said:

    Blinking heckers- just reading the thread- I know this site is mostly populated by Tory cheerleaders, but reading this thread, I didn't realise just how much. I've been posting here for 10 years, but it really is essentially a Tory site, apart from a couple of stubborn lefty dieharders.

    Particularly bad this evening. Very few of us lefties can be bothered.
    Maybe it's just yoiu've nothing much worth saying. What does the left stand for these days ?
    The usual.
    Standing up for the less fortunate.
    Equality.
    Fairness.
    Redistribution of wealth.
    Holding the rich and powerful to account.

    You should try it sometime. It's refreshing.
    Yeah those are the words but it's not what you've actually done is it ?

    Under Labour there was greater wealth inequality, rampant corporatism, workers pensions got screwed and the rich and powerful funded the party.

    So aside from empty slogans what does the left stand for ?
  • IOS
    IOS Posts: 1,450
    Cameron takes a MOE win with ICM though
  • MikeL
    MikeL Posts: 7,809
    ICM:

    Cameron 44
    Miliband 38
  • weejonnie
    weejonnie Posts: 3,820
    Toffeenose said:

    weejonnie said:

    If Ed did slip - hope it wasn't as bad as in "The Rise and Rise of Michael Rimmer" - where the PM slips and falls through a backdrop during a live political broadcast.

    Great movie. Didn't he get power by pushing PM off oil rig?
    One of the steps. As the Sun said (in the Movie) "There's Gold in them there drills". IIRC he becomes PM, makes everyone give their advice on every topic under the sun so that eventually they vote to let him make all the decisions. Can't remember how it ends exactly - but think an ex colleague (Arthur Lowe?) tries to assassinate him at the same time as another person does - and fails.
  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    IOS No, the Sun worm records twitter reaction and by the end Cameron and Miliband were tied despite the fact twitter leans left
  • KentRising
    KentRising Posts: 2,926
    Scott_P said:

    @pollycurtis: Guardian/ICM poll: David Cameron on top 44% of viewers that Cameron was “best on the night”, compared to 38% for Miliband and 19% for Clegg

    Nonsense. That just reflects the pre-existing prejudices - the popularity of the leaders/parties. Clegg only half as good as Miliband??
  • Tykejohnno
    Tykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Britain Elects @britainelects

    #BBCQT snap poll (ICM):
    Cameron - 44%
    Miliband - 38%
    Clegg - 19%

  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    William_H said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Monty said:

    The most important item from this evening is Miliband's statement about cooperation with the SNP.

    That and Ed's shocking denial about overspending. Ed seems to be living in denial - he should have acknowledged a mistake, drawn a line and moved on rather than denying anything was wrong in the first place.
    The thing is, it's true. We went into the global financial crisis with rather low debt, and spending a lot during it was exactly the right thing to do.

    But fighting the dumbed down morality tale of overspending is probably bad political tactics
    No we went in with spending far too high relative to the size of the economy because Gordon Brown foolishly thought he had eliminated boom and bust. When the bust did come it left us with a structural deficit of over 8% of GDP. Labour = economic ruin.
  • MikeL
    MikeL Posts: 7,809
    Remember the previous debate had more Lab viewers.

    So Cameron win may be bigger than headline numbers suggest.
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @SunNation: #SUNNATION EXCLUSIVE: We reveal the man responsible for Ed slipping off the stage... http://t.co/WZ7bITsezb http://t.co/gd42tw4Tgc
  • TheKrakenAwakes
    TheKrakenAwakes Posts: 553
    KentRising said:

    Scott_P said:

    @pollycurtis: Guardian/ICM poll: David Cameron on top 44% of viewers that Cameron was “best on the night”, compared to 38% for Miliband and 19% for Clegg

    Nonsense. That just reflects the pre-existing prejudices - the popularity of the leaders/parties. Clegg only half as good as Miliband??
    100% agree...
  • JosiasJessop
    JosiasJessop Posts: 46,250
    Off-topic:

    An interesting article on Grany Shapps and Wikipedia:
    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/04/30/grant_shapps_may_not_have_been_wiki_fiddling/

    The comments are interesting, for mostly sad reasons.
  • IOS
    IOS Posts: 1,450
    Kent

    Scores are so close that it matters little to anything.
  • Roger
    Roger Posts: 20,744
    Eagle

    "The Paxo debates, didn't shift any votes, the 7 way didn't shift any votes, the 4 way debate didn't shift any votes."

    It probably won't but I'd be surprised if the unaligned don't find Ed a much more attractive personality than they'd thought before. I certainly did
  • Dair
    Dair Posts: 6,108
    Desperate hatchet job by BBC Scotland on Nicola Sturgeon.
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @jameskirkup: Cameron: strong
    Miliband: stumbling
    Clegg: sidelined
    Audience: savage
    #bbcqt
  • Edin_Rokz
    Edin_Rokz Posts: 516
    test
  • Chameleon
    Chameleon Posts: 4,265
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    The Paxo debates, didn't shift any votes, the 7 way didn't shift any votes, the 4 way debate didn't shift any votes.

    I don't think this one will either,

    The two big differences are that firstly it is very close to the actual vote, and secondly there are lots of playable soundbites from this - they are mostly bad for EM & good for DC.
  • Saltire
    Saltire Posts: 525
    Plato said:

    When the SNP puts up candidates outside Scotland - you'll have a point.

    Saltire said:

    If anybody wants to complain about unbalanced audiences it should be the SNP. Only 25% of the audience tonight are nationalist supporters somewhat understating the current position of the polls!

    Sorry I was referring to Sturgeon's Q&A on BBC Scotland
  • surbiton
    surbiton Posts: 13,549
    Tykejohnno said:

    QPR chairman -

    Tony Fernandes @tonyfernandes
    ·
    David Cameron was excellent in tonight’s #BBCQT - very strong, a great leader”. I was impressed. We need more leaders like this in asean

    Yes, Tony. This month both you and David will be relegated.
  • JackW
    JackW Posts: 14,787
    Initial thoughts on the ICM poll is that Tories will be disappointed to not have a wider edge over Labour and the LibDems pleased with a score double their poll rating.
  • Monkeys
    Monkeys Posts: 798
    edited April 2015
    Plato said:

    When the SNP puts up candidates outside Scotland - you'll have a point.

    Saltire said:

    If anybody wants to complain about unbalanced audiences it should be the SNP. Only 25% of the audience tonight are nationalist supporters somewhat understating the current position of the polls!

    Is Nicola being shown outside Scotland?

    Edit this is irrelevant already
  • tyson
    tyson Posts: 6,122
    Monty said:

    tyson said:

    Blinking heckers- just reading the thread- I know this site is mostly populated by Tory cheerleaders, but reading this thread, I didn't realise just how much. I've been posting here for 10 years, but it really is essentially a Tory site, apart from a couple of stubborn lefty dieharders.

    Particularly bad this evening. Very few of us lefties can be bothered.
    It'd be nice to see a bit more intervention by our OGH to counter the Tory bias here, but I guess he's liberal and not minded to. He gave Casino a nicely aimed cuff the other night though which was quite pleasing.

    I just can't be bothered to take them on. It's like fighting mozzies on a balmy Florentine evening. They're just too many of the bugars and once you swat one away there are a zillion others taking their place.
  • KentRising
    KentRising Posts: 2,926
    Here it is again folks:
    https://twitter.com/bbcvideo/status/593878630264012800?lang=en-gb
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @ToryTreasury: Expectations were so low for Miliband, all he had to do was not trip over himself. Well... #BBCQT

    The Quiet Bat People team should have spent more hours practicing walking...
  • Alanbrooke
    Alanbrooke Posts: 25,926
    Roger said:

    Alanbrooke

    "Maybe it's just you've nothing much worth saying. What does the left stand for these days ?"

    Sex drugs and hard working families

    Well that's you out then Roger, you're more a comfy slippers and Countryfile kind of guy
  • Concanvasser
    Concanvasser Posts: 190
    IOS its a great time of year to be outside regardless of which colour rossette you fon. The blossom has been incredibly good this year and the country looking particularly beautiful.
  • Philip_Thompson
    Philip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    William_H said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Monty said:

    The most important item from this evening is Miliband's statement about cooperation with the SNP.

    That and Ed's shocking denial about overspending. Ed seems to be living in denial - he should have acknowledged a mistake, drawn a line and moved on rather than denying anything was wrong in the first place.
    The thing is, it's true. We went into the global financial crisis with rather low debt, and spending a lot during it was exactly the right thing to do.

    But fighting the dumbed down morality tale of overspending is probably bad political tactics
    We went in with low debt due to legacy from before 2002. We did not go into it with a surplus or low deficit, we had a deficit from 2002 onwards. When do you think the crisis started?

    Why do you think we had a 3% deficit before the crisis? Cyclical (Keynesian) spending is that you save in the good times and spend in the bad, we were maxing out spending in the good times so we had no chance when the bad times inevitably hit.
  • Chameleon
    Chameleon Posts: 4,265
    edited April 2015
    IOS said:

    Cameron takes a MOE win with ICM though

    A six point lead in an event where the prequels had significantly less favourable demographics than the wider electorate is fairly significant.

    Besides the important stuff starts now: the news teams start to spin; that's where the votes will shift.
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    YouGov say it was a score draw - ICM beg to differ.
  • JosiasJessop
    JosiasJessop Posts: 46,250
    IOS said:

    Loving The Sun twitter worm giving it to Miliband.

    Only infantile idiots pay any attention to the worms. They're a hideous carbuncle on democracy.

    (and before anyone says, that is a view I've had well before this GE, and is based on SCIENCE !!!!!!)

    ;-)
  • trublue
    trublue Posts: 103
    JohnO said:


    Let me guess that by Tuesday you'll be so disillusioned with Dave that with the most heartfelt sadness that this loyal 'trublue's' vote will be going to Ed.

    Ha, no. Even Tony Blair couldn't persuade me to vote Labour. There's not a chance Ed Miliband would ever get me to vote red. I'll be voting Conservative and praying we can win enough seats to keep Red Ed out. But I'm growing more pessimistic by the day as you can probably tell.
  • FrankBooth
    FrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    MikeSmithson said:

    trublue said:

    Cameron was terrible. Ed surprisingly statesmanlike. But Clegg easily the most impressive of the three. Disappointed personally but it looks more likely than ever that Miliband gets to number 10.

    The weekly phone that Clegg has been doing on LBC for two years has been really great preparation for an event last week. There's nothing that can be flung at him that he hasn't had to deal with before. Whether it makes any difference or not I don't know.

    I honestly think he's a first rate political performer. Strategically a total idiot of course meaning he's got no way back now.
  • IOS
    IOS Posts: 1,450
    Cham

    Bit of paranioa there. just as favourable to Dave as Ed before hand.
  • tyson
    tyson Posts: 6,122
    JackW said:

    Initial thoughts on the ICM poll is that Tories will be disappointed to not have a wider edge over Labour and the LibDems pleased with a score double their poll rating.

    I think that's pretty much a fair score and one which more than anything reflects the order of appearance rather than anything that came out of their mouths.
    Clegg was the best, he was the best in the debate too. But people have stopped listening to him.
  • SquareRoot
    SquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    IOS said:

    Kent

    Scores are so close that it matters little to anything.

    Well you would say that since your man lost.
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,457
    trublue said:

    JohnO said:


    Let me guess that by Tuesday you'll be so disillusioned with Dave that with the most heartfelt sadness that this loyal 'trublue's' vote will be going to Ed.

    Ha, no. Even Tony Blair couldn't persuade me to vote Labour. There's not a chance Ed Miliband would ever get me to vote red. I'll be voting Conservative and praying we can win enough seats to keep Red Ed out. But I'm growing more pessimistic by the day as you can probably tell.
    Grow some spine, man!
  • Jonathan
    Jonathan Posts: 22,107
    Sturgeon doing quite well in Pacific Quay.
  • Sean_F
    Sean_F Posts: 39,132
    Monty said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    Monty said:

    tyson said:

    Blinking heckers- just reading the thread- I know this site is mostly populated by Tory cheerleaders, but reading this thread, I didn't realise just how much. I've been posting here for 10 years, but it really is essentially a Tory site, apart from a couple of stubborn lefty dieharders.

    Particularly bad this evening. Very few of us lefties can be bothered.
    Maybe it's just yoiu've nothing much worth saying. What does the left stand for these days ?
    The usual.
    Standing up for the less fortunate.
    Equality.
    Fairness.
    Redistribution of wealth.
    Holding the rich and powerful to account.

    You should try it sometime. It's refreshing.
    It would be nice if there was a political party that did so.
  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    A 6 point win for Cameron in the final debate, though not overwhelming, gives him the momentum going into the last week, with few other events likely to shift the votes now. Clegg also may have saved a little furniture with a 19% rating
  • Ishmael_X
    Ishmael_X Posts: 3,664
    IOS said:

    Monty

    A claim that this was sheffield 92 was particularly amusing.

    As you hadn't the courage to say at the time. If the left has nothing to offer but apathetic aftertiming of this kind, is it any wonder that the right dominates? We can't write your posts for you, you know.
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    Jonathan said:

    Sturgeon doing quite well in Pacific Quay.

    @KennyFarq: So she doesn't know if there will be indyref2, and doesn't know what would bring one about, but won't rule one out. Not convincing. #bbcqt
  • SquareRoot
    SquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    Roger said:

    Eagle

    "The Paxo debates, didn't shift any votes, the 7 way didn't shift any votes, the 4 way debate didn't shift any votes."

    It probably won't but I'd be surprised if the unaligned don't find Ed a much more attractive personality than they'd thought before. I certainly did

    You are just as bad as IOS..
  • Dair
    Dair Posts: 6,108
    edited April 2015
    Jonathan said:

    Sturgeon doing quite well in Pacific Quay.

    The way BBC Scotland have tried to hang her out to dry is risible, that she's standing up to the barrage and such an unrepresentative audience is telling.

    The number of interrupts from BBC Scotland's Labourite stooge presenter is utterly disgraceful.
  • NoEasyDay
    NoEasyDay Posts: 454
    Roger said:

    Eagle

    "The Paxo debates, didn't shift any votes, the 7 way didn't shift any votes, the 4 way debate didn't shift any votes."

    It probably won't but I'd be surprised if the unaligned don't find Ed a much more attractive personality than they'd thought before. I certainly did

    The unaligned didnt watch.
  • JohnO
    JohnO Posts: 4,312
    trublue said:

    JohnO said:


    Let me guess that by Tuesday you'll be so disillusioned with Dave that with the most heartfelt sadness that this loyal 'trublue's' vote will be going to Ed.

    Ha, no. Even Tony Blair couldn't persuade me to vote Labour. There's not a chance Ed Miliband would ever get me to vote red. I'll be voting Conservative and praying we can win enough seats to keep Red Ed out. But I'm growing more pessimistic by the day as you can probably tell.
    OK, so how was Cameron "terrible"?
  • Jonathan
    Jonathan Posts: 22,107
    Scott_P said:

    Jonathan said:

    Sturgeon doing quite well in Pacific Quay.

    @KennyFarq: So she doesn't know if there will be indyref2, and doesn't know what would bring one about, but won't rule one out. Not convincing. #bbcqt
    TBH tuned in late and missed that key point, she seemed quite relaxed.
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