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What has anyone learnt from this thread?
That nearly everyone on here is a devoted Tory..... and that Jack is the only poster who has made a comment which has been objective and therefore worth reading
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There's an ICM.Millsy said:
Just wait for the after-show poll... (if there is one)SouthamObserver said:Not watching, but shocked to find that on PB all righties think Ed is doing badly and all lefties think he is doing well. Whoever would have thought it?
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No boos and very few claps, the audience seem almost disinterested but pissed off with Clegg.IOS said:Clegg seems kinda irrelevant
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I don't have the down on Ed or a gee up for Cameron, but it seems clear that Cameron won this in all honestySouthamObserver said:Not watching, but shocked to find that on PB all righties think Ed is doing badly and all lefties think he is doing well. Whoever would have thought it?
Then again, when I was saying the debates were a must, the Tories said they were irrelevant and no one watched, so I guess it doesn't matter anyway!0 -
Con Most Seats now 1.27.
In from 1.30 pre 8pm.0 -
Pfffft! The worm is voodoo bollocks as any file knoBig_G_NorthWales said:
Check out the worm - no contest Ed was poorSouthamObserver said:Not watching, but shocked to find that on PB all righties think Ed is doing badly and all lefties think he is doing well. Whoever would have thought it?
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Economy section was hard for Ed and he isn't naturally great at this so Cammo did better. But it wasn't a bloodbath0
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that timeplot only seems to go up to 08:34 so milibandTykejohnno said:Don't know if this means anything.
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/593866608113745921/photo/1
had hardly started. he'll be trending now tho for being so bad.0 -
Agree with Ed 5/10 - he got 3 of them in the last 5 minutes which were infinitely better than the preceding 25.JackW said:So far ....
Cam 7/10 .. Ed 5/10
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Is this live? Sun worm showing Cameron timeline 8 - 8.30 but Milibands timeline is 7.30 - 8pm0
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His voice it what puts people off and his policies and his manner of eating burgers!Plato said:I'm getting the impression from EdM that he's getting pissed off with this. Not a good look - his voice rises and gets very emphatic. Not reassuring, annoyed.
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Very good and tough format this (for everyone). Farage is probably fortunate not to be here after how he reacted to a tough audience last time.0
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Your quote made me look for it again.MarqueeMark said:
Nice quote, Sir!dr_spyn said:
I divide my officers into four groups. There are clever, diligent, stupid, and lazy officers. Usually two characteristics are combined. Some are clever and diligent -- their place is the General Staff. The next lot are stupid and lazy -- they make up 90 percent of every army and are suited to routine duties. Anyone who is both clever and lazy is qualified for the highest leadership duties, because he possesses the intellectual clarity and the composure necessary for difficult decisions. One must beware of anyone who is stupid and diligent -- he must not be entrusted with any responsibility because he will always cause only mischief.MarqueeMark said:Ed is unemployable. If this was for a junior office role, you'd be calling for the next interviewee.
He is that most dangerous person to have in any company - arrogance matched with stupidity.
Kurt von Hammerstein-Equord
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Clear win for Cameron. He will have won over some Kippers with his vow on the EU referendum, something Miliband ruled out. Also hit home on welfare and immigration and allayed concerns on the NHS. Many undecided voters will also waver over casting their ballots for Labour after Miliband refused to say Labour spent too much. On Scotland too his refusal to do any deal with the SNP is also the final nail in the coffin for Labour as it has no prospect of a majority without a deal. A few good points for Miliband on zero hours but his slip at the end of his half hour summed up his night0
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(Bearing in mind TV audiences are slightly more likely to be Labour voters)TheScreamingEagles said:
There's an ICM.Millsy said:
Just wait for the after-show poll... (if there is one)SouthamObserver said:Not watching, but shocked to find that on PB all righties think Ed is doing badly and all lefties think he is doing well. Whoever would have thought it?
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Tyke
I think that is probably a fair summary. Ed did very well considering the outright hostility at times. I think the SNP stuff will help him. H0 -
'We didn't overspend'.Tykejohnno said:
tom bradby ✔ @tombradby
Ed is impressively calm and confident, but I am not sure he has got through this entirely unscathed. Really hard questions
That will be plastered everywhere for the next seven days - it will seriously harm him & his party. In things like this it's the 7-second soundbites that matter.0 -
Oh dear.... ed did a kinnock nearly falling over... If that goes viral0
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The most important item from this evening is Miliband's statement about cooperation with the SNP.0
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Clegg gets chance for free hit on Con re welfare.
Neither Cameron nor Miliband had much chance for uninterrupted attacking.0 -
Interesting that the twitter worm is giving it to Ed.0
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I did say if it means anything and it seems it doesn't.paulyork64 said:
that timeplot only seems to go up to 08:34 so milibandTykejohnno said:Don't know if this means anything.
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/593866608113745921/photo/1
had hardly started. he'll be trending now tho for being so bad.
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http://order-order.com/2015/04/30/watch-miliband-stumbles-off-bbcqt-stage/#_@/aLGzjpz2DADVQATheScreamingEagles said:He fell over (well nearly)
Someone was quick.
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We think what we think. I like it because, to my mind, it nails DC.Slackbladder said:
It was a good ending, but he struggledToms said:"overpromise and under-deliver"---nice riff
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Slack
I really don't believe that ANYONE is going to change their vote on that!0 -
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Just saw that on twitter...Slackbladder said:Oh dear.... ed did a kinnock nearly falling over... If that goes viral
If he had stacked it that would have been so awful really.. but he didn't so I don't reckon it will matter0 -
Clegg seems a bit undercooked to me. He is stuttering a bit.0
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Clegg will get points for seeming more honest on the coalition-making stuff.0
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I thought the bearded young blond guy who said "So you'll never be in government then if you won't deal with the SNP" I can see that pinging about a lot.0
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Plato
I bloody hope so! That could save us around 30 seats in Scotland!!0 -
That and Ed's shocking denial about overspending. Ed seems to be living in denial - he should have acknowledged a mistake, drawn a line and moved on rather than denying anything was wrong in the first place.Monty said:The most important item from this evening is Miliband's statement about cooperation with the SNP.
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Imagine if Clegg hadnt reneged on tuition fees. He would be in such a stronger position0
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In fact Plato if that does happen it will be the best thing that could possibly happen for Labour.0
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Clegg doing well. The only one being honest. Best PM the country will never have0
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@TSE - that stage makes me nervous. A real trip hazard.0
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Bored with clegg... Going back to watching Arrow0
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He was honest about what he believed and stated that the infrastructure built with that money is worth the investment. Like it or not, that does go down well with some people like myself.Philip_Thompson said:
That and Ed's shocking denial about overspending. Ed seems to be living in denial - he should have acknowledged a mistake, drawn a line and moved on rather than denying anything was wrong in the first place.Monty said:The most important item from this evening is Miliband's statement about cooperation with the SNP.
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Tyke
Ok is good enough for now. Millions have voted and we are heading into power if the polls don't shift.0 -
"OK from Ed" from Hodges? Has something come over him, that's uncharacteristically generous to Ed.Tykejohnno said:
Dan Hodges ✔ @DPJHodges
OK from Ed. But less confident than Cameron0 -
Clegg will do well in these things because love him or hate him he does come across as a normal person.foxinsoxuk said:Clegg doing well. The only one being honest. Best PM the country will never have
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Arrow bores me nowadays and only watch as a filler.Slackbladder said:Bored with clegg... Going back to watching Arrow
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BOLLOCKS
just finished season 4 Game of Thrones box set this evening so sod all to watch now.
Has this crappy election improved in the last 2 weeks ?:0 -
Gallowgate said:
He was honest about what he believed and stated that the infrastructure built with that money is worth the investment. Like it or not, that does go down well with some people like myself.Philip_Thompson said:
That and Ed's shocking denial about overspending. Ed seems to be living in denial - he should have acknowledged a mistake, drawn a line and moved on rather than denying anything was wrong in the first place.Monty said:The most important item from this evening is Miliband's statement about cooperation with the SNP.
What infrastructure?
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Ed's questioners by far the most aggressive. Thought Ed did well to take them on calmly. Most people would have got angry.SeanT said:
I'm no Cameron fan, but he really did put on his best performance. Miliband started badly (verging on awful) improved at the end, but he was mediocre.SouthamObserver said:Not watching, but shocked to find that on PB all righties think Ed is doing badly and all lefties think he is doing well. Whoever would have thought it?
I'll wager that most pundits, left and right, agree.0 -
Perhaps the Farage rant last time regarding a biased audience has hit home.SeanT said:Clegg shouldn't be here, his party is going to come fourth in seats, and fourth or even fifth in votes.
Where's Mebyon Kernow???
OTOH this gives me time to get takeaway sashimi
So far
Cameron 8/10
Miliband 6/10
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BBC 10/10 for a good format and a fair (!!) audience0 -
And the bloke in the audience proves my point. The Lib Dems were dead in the water the moment they went in with the Tories.0
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Yup
Absolutely. No ifs, no buts. Vote SNP - get Tory!0 -
Clegg still really good at this, but a bit pointless0
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Clegg just compared the UK economy to Greece. What an arse.0
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Check out The Tunnel.Plato said:Have you tried DareDevil on Netflix? I loved it -
Arrow bores me nowadays and only watch as a filler.Slackbladder said:Bored with clegg... Going back to watching Arrow
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Clegg playing a bad hand of cards very well.0
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Fair enough. Dave is certainly a far better performer than Ed.SeanT said:
I'm no Cameron fan, but he really did put on his best performance. Miliband started badly (verging on awful) improved at the end, but he was mediocre.SouthamObserver said:Not watching, but shocked to find that on PB all righties think Ed is doing badly and all lefties think he is doing well. Whoever would have thought it?
I'll wager that most pundits, left and right, agree.
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What I have to say - and I don't like it - is that the British Governments love - or even like - of majority governments is over.
Coalitions all the way from now on.0 -
Very strong of Clegg then in his "never apologise" passion.0
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Agreed, he is good at this stuff.foxinsoxuk said:Clegg playing a bad hand of cards very well.
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Mark
Yeah - but we have got to try something.0 -
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Tony Fernandes @tonyfernandes
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David Cameron was excellent in tonight’s #BBCQT - very strong, a great leader”. I was impressed. We need more leaders like this in asean
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Will do - I loved Mr Selfridge.nigel4england said:
Check out The Tunnel.Plato said:Have you tried DareDevil on Netflix? I loved it -
Arrow bores me nowadays and only watch as a filler.Slackbladder said:Bored with clegg... Going back to watching Arrow
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Because your average lefty voter is unreasonable. Clegg, quite rightly, tried to reason with the bloke in the audience that the result of the election meant a deal with Labour would have been very difficult. But most of the people who voted Lib Dem did so because they don't like the Tories. So they were never going to give the Lib Dems credit for anything they did in power.Freggles said:0 -
Clegg is polished. But you can tell no matter how well he does, it won't make any difference.0
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Clegg - great answer to the bloke who whinged about voting Lib Dem and getting a Tory / Lib Dem coalition.
Typical thicko Red Lib0 -
The elephant in the room: people who don't like the current level of immigration don't care if the migrants are claiming benefits or not - they just don't want them here.0
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Clegg is doing alright but the event has lost its energy; so too have the audience; they don't seem too fussed about Clegg.0
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Because "tuition fees" is just a hook for people to vent their real anger which is the LD getting off the fence. LDs got both left and right wing protest voters disillusioned in the main left and right wing parties.Freggles said:
By getting off the fence and choosing a side, the Lib Dems abandoned people on the other side of the fence. Tuition fees are an example but not the real problem.0 -
I suppose that is why there has not been a serious challenger.nigel4england said:0 -
Blinking heckers- just reading the thread- I know this site is mostly populated by Tory cheerleaders, but reading this thread, I didn't realise just how much. I've been posting here for 10 years, but it really is essentially a Tory site, apart from a couple of stubborn lefty dieharders.0
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Bet the viewership slumped at 9pm. Other programmes on.JamesM said:Clegg is doing alright but the event has lost its energy; so too have the audience; they don't seem too fussed about Clegg.
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Mili did OK, but waffly. Surely the line about Labour not overspending in the past is going to come back to bite him. Seemed very off message.0
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He compared the economy Brown left to Greece. Quite rightly too, Labour left an economy with Greece-style problems that Clegg has had to deal with. Why shouldn't he mention it?Jonathan said:Clegg just compared the UK economy to Greece. What an arse.
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@Sean_Fear used to be a lone Tory voice once. It's a reflection of the mood - look how many SNPers and Kippers we have...tyson said:
Blinking heckers- just reading the thread- I know this site is mostly populated by Tory cheerleaders, but reading this thread, I didn't realise just how much. I've been posting here for 10 years, but it really is essentially a Tory site, apart from a couple of stubborn lefty dieharders.
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Plato
Are you kidding me! What year what that?0 -
Is Clegg saying the Lib Dems won't support a Conservative EU referendum plan? If so how can they go in to coalition together? Will this help them in SW England?0
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I disagree. People understand you dropping the small print, but tuition fees was beyond totemic, it was practically synonymous with Lib Dems in the public mind. It was personal not just political.Philip_Thompson said:
Because "tuition fees" is just a hook for people to vent their real anger which is the LD getting off the fence. LDs got both left and right wing protest voters disillusioned in the main left and right wing parties.Freggles said:
By getting off the fence and choosing a side, the Lib Dems abandoned people on the other side of the fence. Tuition fees are an example but not the real problem.
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I think Cameron got lucky going first and Clegg drew the short straw going last, I imagine most people are bored now0
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Think he should have swerved it to be honest.. this will just remind people of the lies he told last time, not to mention the fact it is ludicrous that he is on the same bill as Dave & EdCasino_Royale said:Clegg is polished. But you can tell no matter how well he does, it won't make any difference.
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Because it's complete and utter bollocks.Philip_Thompson said:
He compared the economy Brown left to Greece. Quite rightly too, Labour left an economy with Greece-style problems that Clegg has had to deal with. Why shouldn't he mention it?Jonathan said:Clegg just compared the UK economy to Greece. What an arse.
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As it should do: this is the potential next PM saying the government of 1997-2010 didn't spend too much. Shocking.Mimus said:Mili did OK, but waffly. Surely the line about Labour not overspending in the past is going to come back to bite him. Seemed very off message.
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If that is the main focus after tonight Ed's done very well!TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
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I'm a fan of Cameron. Many right-wingers here can't stand him normally. This site often has as much Kipper as Tory voices on the right who are hostile to Cam.tyson said:Blinking heckers- just reading the thread- I know this site is mostly populated by Tory cheerleaders, but reading this thread, I didn't realise just how much. I've been posting here for 10 years, but it really is essentially a Tory site, apart from a couple of stubborn lefty dieharders.
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Can't really agree. probably a small majority of tories, granted. Don't mistake people who think the current Labour franchise as being absolutely shocking as automatically Tory.tyson said:Blinking heckers- just reading the thread- I know this site is mostly populated by Tory cheerleaders, but reading this thread, I didn't realise just how much. I've been posting here for 10 years, but it really is essentially a Tory site, apart from a couple of stubborn lefty dieharders.
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tyson Even twitter says Cameron won tonight, and twitter leans left, many if not most of the Tories and kippers on here are not great Cameron fans either0
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Cleggers went around being photographed for publicity shots with a pledge not to raise tuition fees. He did it many times in many seats.
No wonder it exploded all over him.Freggles said:
I disagree. People understand you dropping the small print, but tuition fees was beyond totemic, it was practically synonymous with Lib Dems in the public mind. It was personal not just political.Philip_Thompson said:
Because "tuition fees" is just a hook for people to vent their real anger which is the LD getting off the fence. LDs got both left and right wing protest voters disillusioned in the main left and right wing parties.Freggles said:
By getting off the fence and choosing a side, the Lib Dems abandoned people on the other side of the fence. Tuition fees are an example but not the real problem.
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If Ed did slip - hope it wasn't as bad as in "The Rise and Rise of Michael Rimmer" - where the PM slips and falls through a backdrop during a live political broadcast.0
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Not yetMarkHopkins said:0 -
Clegg replies with a "so ..." Ugh
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i think there's a lot of truth in that. they might not want benefits but they'll want housing that almost everyone agrees there isnt enough of.KentRising said:The elephant in the room: people who don't like the current level of immigration don't care if the migrants are claiming benefits or not - they just don't want them here.
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It's on the beeb live page.0
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HYUFD
The Sun worm says Miliband won it!!0 -
Clegg good on terrorism.0
