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  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    Monksfield said:

    WTF has this got to with David Miliband? Time to move on

    If only. Still, the more they bring that up, the better I feel about Ed, so maybe for Labour's sake they should bring it up more.
    tlg86 said:

    Out of order from Paxo - he knew that would be on air.

    Yes, that did seem designed to leave an impression however Ed had done.
    saddened said:

    I wonder if rosaree, will be along soon to tell us by how much Ed, cleared the low bar set by Dave?

    Ed was so sincere, earnest and charismatic I almost collapsed in paroxysms of excitement at the prospect of a stonking Labour majority.
  • FrankBooth
    FrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    Casino_Royale said:

    Speedy said:

    Miliband successfully slapped Paxman on the toughness question using Syria.

    So tough he stood up to a nice friendly soft-left democratic American leader rather than nasty scary Putin.
    Disagree. It's much harder to stand up to Obama than Putin. He's the world's most powerful man and Britain has far more potentially to lose than from alienating Putin. If you instead think politics is wrestling that's up to you.
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,722
    I think both will be pleased that was on a minor channel and way before the GE.
  • BenM
    BenM Posts: 1,795
    We need Paxman more - very very thorough on both leaders.

    And Ed..? I cringed a bit at times. But reaction online looks positive. Think Paxman a touch too personal.
  • Monksfield
    Monksfield Posts: 2,905
    Freggles said:

    Very personal from Paxo. Where were the questions like that for his mate Dave

    Thought he was far more agressive than for Cameron.
  • NickPalmer
    NickPalmer Posts: 21,724
    Hodges being complimentary about Miliand!
  • isam
    isam Posts: 42,205
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    williamglenn said:

    Mic still on when Paxman asks, "Are you ok, Ed?"

    And we have a new headline....
    He should've done a Kinnock

    "Im alrigghht!!!"

    Cant think on his feet
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    Danny565 said:

    Is this sarcasm? :P

    No. Most people I follow think Ed came out best.

    Farage also calls it for Ed as it happens
  • Speedy
    Speedy Posts: 12,100
    Miliband won.
  • currystar
    currystar Posts: 1,171
    Speedy said:

    On the Paxman segment Miliband did a 5/10, better than Cameron.

    So in total Miliband did a 6.5/10.
    Better than Cameron and far better than expected.

    The audience were laughing at him
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    Monksfield said:

    Freggles said:

    Very personal from Paxo. Where were the questions like that for his mate Dave

    Thought he was far more agressive than for Cameron.
    Not helped by the open mic event at the end.
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
    Freggles said:

    Very personal from Paxo. Where were the questions like that for his mate Dave

    Thought he overdid that to be honest. But I suppose Ed himself is an issue.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    New Thread
  • Speedy
    Speedy Posts: 12,100
    Tim Stanley @timothy_stanley · 3m 3 minutes ago
    Ed Miliband won. And must've earned a lot of respect. #BattleForNumber10
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @SunPolitics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Tories ahead by two: CON 36, LAB 34, LD 7, UKIP 13, GRN 5
  • TheWatcher
    TheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    Freggles said:

    Very personal from Paxo. Where were the questions like that for his mate Dave

    Miliband and Paxman are mates. Neighbouring villas on Greek holidays.
  • Stark_Dawning
    Stark_Dawning Posts: 10,202
    TheWatcher said:

    'Are you alright Ed?' From Paxman , on an open mic.

    What was Ed's reply?
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
    Purseybear said:

    Cameron: statesmanlike, calm, measured if a touch arrogant but still very assured

    Miliband: dreadful with the audience. Mauled first half by Paxo then picked up only to be floored by the final bit caught on mic which will make the news wires.

    Scores on the doors out of 10

    Cameron 8

    Miliband 3

    It was much closer than that. I would have said 7:5 to Cameron.
  • Grandiose
    Grandiose Posts: 2,323
    Stark_Dawning said:

    TheWatcher said:

    'Are you alright Ed?' From Paxman , on an open mic.

    What was Ed's reply?
    "Yes, are you?" - not a bad reply, to be honest!
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    Cam 5/10
    Ed 4/10

    Neither impressed. Dave stayed on message better though. Ed improved at the end and dealt with the personal stuff well, made him look a bit better.
  • William_H
    William_H Posts: 346
    Paxman definitely wanted to get Milliband, but Milliband stood up well. The audience was on his side after a while
  • compouter2
    compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    Maybe Cameron was right after all to run away from a head to head with Ed.

  • MikeL
    MikeL Posts: 7,809
    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Tories ahead by two: CON 36, LAB 34, LD 7, UKIP 13, GRN 5
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,722
    Guardian verdict....Ed was awesome and think their poll will say so too...lets see what the panel say...
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    Monksfield said:

    Freggles said:

    Very personal from Paxo. Where were the questions like that for his mate Dave

    Thought he was far more agressive than for Cameron.
    Cameron is better at managing Paxo with his answers. Ed's responses were a bit short and allowed Paxo back in. But I agree, Paxo came across as a bit of knob.
  • nigel4england
    nigel4england Posts: 4,800
    Speedy said:

    On the Paxman segment Miliband did a 5/10, better than Cameron.

    So in total Miliband did a 6.5/10.
    Better than Cameron and far better than expected.

    Fuck me what were you actually expecting! Anyone who votes for that prick should be sent straight to the nearest asylum!
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    Stark_Dawning said:

    TheWatcher said:

    'Are you alright Ed?' From Paxman , on an open mic.

    What was Ed's reply?
    "I'm alright, are you Jeremy" (along those lines"
  • bigjohnowls
    bigjohnowls Posts: 22,951
    My summary of the Ed half was good with the audience bit.

    Crap at the start of Paxo bit really good at the end of the Paxo bit.

    Didn't see Dave at all but even DH thought Ed was better with Paxo

    Any relatively impartial observers like David L or Pulpstar/TSE like to give us their views
  • weejonnie
    weejonnie Posts: 3,820
    Just remember that twitter is institutionally left of centre in meme.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    edited March 2015
    Turned off now, I assume there will be the usual faffe from broadcasters after these things, saying nothing.

    The definitive verdict:

    Cameron - 6 out of 10. Started poorly, but recovered and had some bloody easy questions thrown at him.

    Ed M - 5 out of 10. Interviewed worse generally, and had tougher questions from the audience, but the tougher questions gave him more of a chance to say things at least closer to substance, and he sounded ok.
  • MikeK
    MikeK Posts: 9,053
    Really all rather boring.

    Tough finish for @Ed_miliband according to the #SunNation worm #BattleforNumber10 pic.twitter.com/oahpCEF7fq

    — Guido Fawkes (@GuidoFawkes) March 26, 2015
  • Speedy
    Speedy Posts: 12,100
    Ed Miliband did a Jean Chretien and won, precisely as I advised.
  • Smarmeron
    Smarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @nigel4england
    " Anyone who votes for that prick should be sent straight to the nearest asylum! "

    Thank you for your considered and balanced response, it aids my understanding a great deal.
  • Flightpath
    Flightpath Posts: 4,012
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    Flightpath said:

    OT - it may be me, the onset of arthritis or senility but I discovered that I have a strange keyboard. Whatever key I hit it comes up with a random letter. If the Germans had my laptop they would have won the war and Benedict Cumberbatch would be receiving awards in New Berlin for portraying the life story of Albert Speer

    If that is the case FP then this posting from you is clearly proof of the infinite monkey theory because your random letters have formed a completely coherent sentence. :-)
    It is so that I am reduced - the front room is full of them as is the front room inside the front room ... ;-)

    Sadly my time is more spent editing that typing. I predict a NJS ctisis in 20ntears
  • Purseybear
    Purseybear Posts: 766
    Speedy said:

    Ed Miliband did a Jean Chretien and won, precisely as I advised.

    Labour supporter talks to himself on repeat on repeat on repeat ;-)
  • weejonnie
    weejonnie Posts: 3,820
    SeanT said:

    @SunPolitics 1m1 minute ago
    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Tories ahead by two: CON 36, LAB 34, LD 7, UKIP 13, GRN 5

    WOW - a big bounce for Cameron immediately after the interviews - proves he did better /joke>
  • BenM
    BenM Posts: 1,795
    Election over. Katie Hopkins has threatened to leave if Labour win the election. Landslide beckons.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    Grandiose said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    TheWatcher said:

    'Are you alright Ed?' From Paxman , on an open mic.

    What was Ed's reply?
    "Yes, are you?" - not a bad reply, to be honest!
    True enough - Voice was a bit strained when giving it, I presume out of annoyance. (and I clarify that I have zero problems with Ed's voice generally - I have a boss who is a vocal doppleganger for Ed, so Ed sounds plenty authoritative to me)
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    FrankBooth said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Speedy said:

    Miliband successfully slapped Paxman on the toughness question using Syria.

    So tough he stood up to a nice friendly soft-left democratic American leader rather than nasty scary Putin.
    Disagree. It's much harder to stand up to Obama than Putin. He's the world's most powerful man and Britain has far more potentially to lose than from alienating Putin. If you instead think politics is wrestling that's up to you.
    Sorry, that's bollocks.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    UKIP verdict - Not enough Farage.
    SNP verdict - *Smug scoff*
    LD verdict - Christ, better out than in
  • Speedy
    Speedy Posts: 12,100
    Looking at the SUN worm, Miliband won marginally.
    http://www.sunnation.co.uk/the-leaders-interviews-twerdict/
  • Monksfield
    Monksfield Posts: 2,905
    Purseybear said:

    Speedy said:

    Ed Miliband did a Jean Chretien and won, precisely as I advised.

    Labour supporter talks to himself on repeat on repeat on repeat ;-)
    From you of all people!
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,076
    Geoffrey Robinson (Lab, Coventry) in shock resignation (per BBC Midlands)
  • nigel4england
    nigel4england Posts: 4,800
    Smarmeron said:

    @nigel4england
    " Anyone who votes for that prick should be sent straight to the nearest asylum! "

    Thank you for your considered and balanced response, it aids my understanding a great deal.

    If you genuinely think that man is fit to run the country then you should be sectioned.
  • Smarmeron
    Smarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @Speedy
    The Sun is a lefty communist rag though? We need to wait for the "gold standard" verdict.
  • Speedy
    Speedy Posts: 12,100
    Sky's Faisal Islam called it for Miliband.
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,076
    SeanT said:

    @SunPolitics 1m1 minute ago
    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Tories ahead by two: CON 36, LAB 34, LD 7, UKIP 13, GRN 5

    Outlier! The only other Tory lead this week so far was the Times YG megapoll.
  • notme
    notme Posts: 3,293
    Speedy said:

    Looking at the SUN worm, Miliband won marginally.
    http://www.sunnation.co.uk/the-leaders-interviews-twerdict/

    I think the PM will be happy with a marginal win for Miliband.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    I know I tend to gravitate toward a position of sitting on the fence, but I am surprised our twitchy media personalities are bold enough to call that for one side or another really, given how tight the polls are and everything, figured they'd all give non-answers.
  • Speedy
    Speedy Posts: 12,100
    edited March 2015
    SeanT said:

    Speedy said:

    Looking at the SUN worm, Miliband won marginally.
    http://www.sunnation.co.uk/the-leaders-interviews-twerdict/

    They look identical to me.

    I stand by my prediction that this will shift not a single vote. I do believe Cameron should have debated Miliband man to man, as I now think he could have won, so significantly, as to even earn a majority. Miliband shrivels in front of a crowd.

    Too late now.
    That's why I say marginally because it was a difference of a couple of points out of 400 points.
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    Good, Farage on Sky.
  • Speedy
    Speedy Posts: 12,100
    ICM calls it marginally for Cameron by 54-46.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    Well, that was reasonably diverting for an evening. I assume nothing but the interviews will be talked of for a week, given how overly impactful things like these and debates are, according to some. While simultaneously meaning nothing if one person 'wins' or 'loses' of course.

    In all honesty, would have preferred a debate, but I'll take what political theatre I can get - unlike lucky buggers in the marginals, I don't get much in the way of theatre or substance.
  • Speedy
    Speedy Posts: 12,100
    SeanT said:

    And.... I was right

    .Andrew Neil retweeted
    AndrewSparrow ‏@AndrewSparrow 44s44 seconds ago
    Cameron wins #BattleForNumber10, just - Guardian ICM polls shows Cameron 54%, Miliband 46% on who won - http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2015/mar/26/election-2015-david-cameron-ed-miliband-jeremy-paxman-live-updates#block-55148a15e4b0b1a24cd21269 …

    No you were not, you said that Miliband did much worse.
    A 54-46 divide is does not equal Miliband being terrible as you said.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    notme said:

    Speedy said:

    Looking at the SUN worm, Miliband won marginally.
    http://www.sunnation.co.uk/the-leaders-interviews-twerdict/

    I think the PM will be happy with a marginal win for Miliband.
    So he won't be disappointed by the GE result then? That's nice for him.
  • Flightpath
    Flightpath Posts: 4,012
    SeanT said:

    @SunPolitics 1m1 minute ago
    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Tories ahead by two: CON 36, LAB 34, LD 7, UKIP 13, GRN 5

    The 36 for Con could be quite significant. The tories have been laying siege to 36 for a while. Its fair to say they are desperate to retake the lost bastion. There has been the odd breach in the defences, it has been attacked from various directions, always forced back by Lab deploying hurried reserves. Will there be a breakthrough? Are the defenders reserves exhausted; can they fight on two fronts? Is the semi colon your friend or enemy.

    Meantime in latest news the search is on for the lost body of Henry I. Reading Tourist Board out tomorrow with the ground radar.
  • MarkSenior
    MarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    FWIW my unbiased verdict with no axe to grind

    Cameron 5/10
    Miliband 5.5/10
  • Speedy
    Speedy Posts: 12,100
    edited March 2015
    SeanT said:

    Speedy said:

    SeanT said:

    And.... I was right

    .Andrew Neil retweeted
    AndrewSparrow ‏@AndrewSparrow 44s44 seconds ago
    Cameron wins #BattleForNumber10, just - Guardian ICM polls shows Cameron 54%, Miliband 46% on who won - http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2015/mar/26/election-2015-david-cameron-ed-miliband-jeremy-paxman-live-updates#block-55148a15e4b0b1a24cd21269 …

    No you were not, you said that Miliband did much worse.
    A 54-46 divide is does not equal Miliband being terrible as you said.
    HAHAHAHAH. Heh.
    What did you expect from the post debate poll?
    A 70-30 for Cameron?

    The weird looking nerdy Ed checked Cameron on TV, doing much better that everyone expected.
  • weejonnie
    weejonnie Posts: 3,820
    SeanT said:

    BBC's Allegra Stratton: "clear win for Ed Miliband"

    Now either she is a Labour shill or she is just a lefty who cannot see the trees OR I have read this very wrong.

    Because, to me, in all honesty, Ed did significantly worse. And I cordially abhor both of them.

    We shall see.

    I suspect that the BBC might have £4 billion reasons to build up Labour for this election. After all if they've ordered the champagne bottles for May 8th they have to hope that they will use them.
  • weejonnie
    weejonnie Posts: 3,820
    Speedy said:

    SeanT said:

    And.... I was right

    .Andrew Neil retweeted
    AndrewSparrow ‏@AndrewSparrow 44s44 seconds ago
    Cameron wins #BattleForNumber10, just - Guardian ICM polls shows Cameron 54%, Miliband 46% on who won - http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2015/mar/26/election-2015-david-cameron-ed-miliband-jeremy-paxman-live-updates#block-55148a15e4b0b1a24cd21269 …

    No you were not, you said that Miliband did much worse.
    A 54-46 divide is does not equal Miliband being terrible as you said.
    Hollande absolutely thrashed Sarkozy 52-48 in the French Presidential election according to the left. Do I detect a bit of hypocrisy?
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    So...irrespective of tonight's events and what impact if any it will have (likely marginal at best, like any other single event), with Miliband having poor ratings, and the Tory party still polling compared to Labour, which one might benefit most from a 'shy voter' effect?
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    edited March 2015
    Double post
  • Tykejohnno
    Tykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    weejonnie said:

    Speedy said:

    SeanT said:

    And.... I was right

    .Andrew Neil retweeted
    AndrewSparrow ‏@AndrewSparrow 44s44 seconds ago
    Cameron wins #BattleForNumber10, just - Guardian ICM polls shows Cameron 54%, Miliband 46% on who won - http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2015/mar/26/election-2015-david-cameron-ed-miliband-jeremy-paxman-live-updates#block-55148a15e4b0b1a24cd21269 …

    No you were not, you said that Miliband did much worse.
    A 54-46 divide is does not equal Miliband being terrible as you said.
    Hollande absolutely thrashed Sarkozy 52-48 in the French Presidential election according to the left. Do I detect a bit of hypocrisy?
    I thought speedy was a ukip supporter,am I wrong ?

  • bigjohnowls
    bigjohnowls Posts: 22,951
    nigel4england said:

    Smarmeron said:

    @nigel4england
    " Anyone who votes for that prick should be sent straight to the nearest asylum! "

    Thank you for your considered and balanced response, it aids my understanding a great deal.

    If you genuinely think that man is fit to run the country then you should be sectioned.
    Shall I put you down as a maybe?
  • nigel4england
    nigel4england Posts: 4,800
    SeanT said:

    Speedy said:

    Sky's Faisal Islam called it for Miliband.

    Again, all the hacks get it wrong. Allegra Stratton, Faisal Islam, useless lefty tossers

    ICM shows what I said: a clear win for Cameron.

    Why am I so much smarter than everyone else in the entire cosmos? Tsk.
    Not smarter than me, at least on this occasion.

    Ed was an unmitigated disaster, Cameron wasn't great by any stretch but please, who wants that overgrown sixth form debater anywhere near the controls? Tell me all you one eyed partisan Socialists, are you happy with him or are you just a teeny bit worried about what he will do to this country.
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    Flightpath said:

    SeanT said:

    @SunPolitics 1m1 minute ago
    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Tories ahead by two: CON 36, LAB 34, LD 7, UKIP 13, GRN 5

    The 36 for Con could be quite significant. The tories have been laying siege to 36 for a while. Its fair to say they are desperate to retake the lost bastion. There has been the odd breach in the defences, it has been attacked from various directions, always forced back by Lab deploying hurried reserves. Will there be a breakthrough? Are the defenders reserves exhausted; can they fight on two fronts? Is the semi colon your friend or enemy.

    Meantime in latest news the search is on for the lost body of Henry I. Reading Tourist Board out tomorrow with the ground radar.
    You've gone all a bit Sion Simon there.
  • Speedy
    Speedy Posts: 12,100
    edited March 2015
    Yougov on Sky has called it for Miliband marginally.
  • Smarmeron
    Smarmeron Posts: 5,099
    For the very few non partisans on here (myself excluded of course)
    More data for the Guardian poll
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2015/mar/26/election-2015-david-cameron-ed-miliband-jeremy-paxman-live-updates#block-55148a15e4b0b1a24cd21269
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    edited March 2015
    Speedy said:

    Yougov on Sky has called it for Miliband marginally.

    Bizarre. Is it really just 'last thing you heard' boost, as I really cannot see how Ed M did objectively better than Cameron (Cam's personal ratings generally are the only reason I think he might edge it in his favour with others), and I'm the guy who until the Scottish collapse was calling the election for a Lab majority for 4 years.
  • Tykejohnno
    Tykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Rupert Murdoch ✔ @rupertmurdoch
    Follow
    Thanks for 2 mentions, Ed Miliband. Only met once for all of 2 minutes when you embarrassed me with over the top flattery.

  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    @Nigel4England I think Ed isn't going for your vote ;)
  • Tykejohnno
    Tykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    kle4 said:

    Speedy said:

    Yougov on Sky has called it for Miliband marginally.

    Bizarre. Is it really just 'last thing you heard' boost, as I really cannot see how Ed M did objectively better than Cameron (Cam's personal ratings generally are the only reason I think he might edge it in his favour with others), and I'm the guy who until the Scottish collapse was calling the election for a Lab majority for 4 years.
    What we need from Cameron is abit more passion.
  • Speedy
    Speedy Posts: 12,100
    Looking at the ICM poll, Miliband won in the crucial internal of votes, 56% of those said they might change their mind now say they will vote Labour, and on the best PM question Miliband narrows the gap to 48-40 with Cameron.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    Tykejohnno said:


    Rupert Murdoch ✔ @rupertmurdoch
    Follow
    Thanks for 2 mentions, Ed Miliband. Only met once for all of 2 minutes when you embarrassed me with over the top flattery.

    Ha. Murdoch should only communicate on Twitter, he's great on it.
  • nigel4england
    nigel4england Posts: 4,800
    bigjohnowls said:

    nigel4england said:

    Smarmeron said:

    @nigel4england
    " Anyone who votes for that prick should be sent straight to the nearest asylum! "

    Thank you for your considered and balanced response, it aids my understanding a great deal.

    If you genuinely think that man is fit to run the country then you should be sectioned.
    Shall I put you down as a maybe?
    Haha!

    John, I am a working class boy from a council flat but Ed no more represents the working class than Cameron.

    One figure from the Left I liked in recent years was Bob Crow, if he had been Labour leader I could have voted for him.
  • Speedy
    Speedy Posts: 12,100
    SeanT said:

    Speedy said:

    Yougov on Sky has called it for Miliband marginally.

    No, they haven't.

    https://twitter.com/search?f=realtime&q=yougov &src=typd

    Instant result on tonight's TV debate by YouGov's First Verdict app for The Times:
    Cameron 51%
    Miliband 49%
    802 respondents
    Yougov's representative called it for Miliband on Sky, don't blame me.
    So that's essentially the 50-50 you said you expected.
  • FrankBooth
    FrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    Ed would surely settle for a 54-46 defeat. His biggest problem though is not enough people will have been watching. He's passable but he needs too get in front of more people.
  • Tykejohnno
    Tykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    nigel4england said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    nigel4england said:

    Smarmeron said:

    @nigel4england
    " Anyone who votes for that prick should be sent straight to the nearest asylum! "

    Thank you for your considered and balanced response, it aids my understanding a great deal.

    If you genuinely think that man is fit to run the country then you should be sectioned.
    Shall I put you down as a maybe?
    Haha!

    John, I am a working class boy from a council flat but Ed no more represents the working class than Cameron.

    One figure from the Left I liked in recent years was Bob Crow, if he had been Labour leader I could have voted for him.
    Same here,labour have left they roots

  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    Its going to be like the General Election - Ed marginally loses in votes......
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    FrankBooth said:

    Ed would surely settle for a 54-46 defeat. His biggest problem though is not enough people will have been watching. He's passable but he needs too get in front of more people.

    He's on all four shows.
  • Speedy
    Speedy Posts: 12,100
    edited March 2015
    SeanT said:

    kle4 said:

    Speedy said:

    Yougov on Sky has called it for Miliband marginally.

    Bizarre. Is it really just 'last thing you heard' boost, as I really cannot see how Ed M did objectively better than Cameron (Cam's personal ratings generally are the only reason I think he might edge it in his favour with others), and I'm the guy who until the Scottish collapse was calling the election for a Lab majority for 4 years.
    See my posts, It's bollocks. Cameron won with ICM and with YouGov. There is also another YouGov poll showing Cameron winning by a larger margin.

    The Labour spinning is hilarious. The Guardian has a liveblog with about 400 journalistic analyses saying how well Miliband is doing, then they hit the brick wall of the ICM poll, and eerie silence prevails.
    54-46 and 51-49 is not what people would expect from a Cameron/Miliband debate.
    You know who the victor is when the ICM poll says 40% think Miliband will be best PM.
  • Tykejohnno
    Tykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Speedy said:

    SeanT said:

    kle4 said:

    Speedy said:

    Yougov on Sky has called it for Miliband marginally.

    Bizarre. Is it really just 'last thing you heard' boost, as I really cannot see how Ed M did objectively better than Cameron (Cam's personal ratings generally are the only reason I think he might edge it in his favour with others), and I'm the guy who until the Scottish collapse was calling the election for a Lab majority for 4 years.
    See my posts, It's bollocks. Cameron won with ICM and with YouGov. There is also another YouGov poll showing Cameron winning by a larger margin.

    The Labour spinning is hilarious. The Guardian has a liveblog with about 400 journalistic analyses saying how well Miliband is doing, then they hit the brick wall of the ICM poll, and eerie silence prevails.
    54-46 and 51-49 is not what people would expect from a Cameron/Miliband debate.
    You know who the victor is when the ICM poll says 40% think Miliband will be best PM.
    You said Ed had won the YouGov poll didn't you ?
  • Speedy
    Speedy Posts: 12,100
    edited March 2015
    SeanT said:

    Speedy said:

    SeanT said:

    Speedy said:

    Yougov on Sky has called it for Miliband marginally.

    No, they haven't.

    https://twitter.com/search?f=realtime&q=yougov &src=typd

    Instant result on tonight's TV debate by YouGov's First Verdict app for The Times:
    Cameron 51%
    Miliband 49%
    802 respondents
    Yougov's representative called it for Miliband on Sky, don't blame me.
    So that's essentially the 50-50 you said you expected.
    You lost. You lost. You lost. On two polls.

    And let's remember Miliband could only outperform expectations. Yet he managed NOT to do that. Superb.
    Calm down dear.
    You make people think you are a bad loser.
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    SeanT said:

    Speedy said:

    SeanT said:

    Speedy said:

    Yougov on Sky has called it for Miliband marginally.

    No, they haven't.

    https://twitter.com/search?f=realtime&q=yougov &src=typd

    Instant result on tonight's TV debate by YouGov's First Verdict app for The Times:
    Cameron 51%
    Miliband 49%
    802 respondents
    Yougov's representative called it for Miliband on Sky, don't blame me.
    So that's essentially the 50-50 you said you expected.
    You lost. You lost. You lost. On two polls.

    And let's remember Miliband could only outperform expectations. Yet he managed NOT to do that. Superb.
    Hmm When Dave ends up with 281 seats and Ed with 276 though and Dave with 35% of the vote and Ed with 34%....
  • Smarmeron
    Smarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @SeanT

    Statistics lie if you just look at the bare numbers, it's why the smarter people wait to see the details of a poll.



    More from the ICM poll.

    Only 8% of those polled overall indicated that they were likely to have changed their mind about how they would vote at the election on the basis of what they saw tonight.

    Amongst those, 56% said they would now vote Labour. And just 30% said they were now backing the Conservatives.
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    What's the SNP getting in Scotland to make up for the time by the way ?

    Or are we not into that bit of the broadcast rules yet
  • Speedy
    Speedy Posts: 12,100
    Tykejohnno said:

    Speedy said:

    SeanT said:

    kle4 said:

    Speedy said:

    Yougov on Sky has called it for Miliband marginally.

    Bizarre. Is it really just 'last thing you heard' boost, as I really cannot see how Ed M did objectively better than Cameron (Cam's personal ratings generally are the only reason I think he might edge it in his favour with others), and I'm the guy who until the Scottish collapse was calling the election for a Lab majority for 4 years.
    See my posts, It's bollocks. Cameron won with ICM and with YouGov. There is also another YouGov poll showing Cameron winning by a larger margin.

    The Labour spinning is hilarious. The Guardian has a liveblog with about 400 journalistic analyses saying how well Miliband is doing, then they hit the brick wall of the ICM poll, and eerie silence prevails.
    54-46 and 51-49 is not what people would expect from a Cameron/Miliband debate.
    You know who the victor is when the ICM poll says 40% think Miliband will be best PM.
    You said Ed had won the YouGov poll didn't you ?
    The Yougov representative on Sky said that, I just reprinted.
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,076
    SeanT said:

    Allegra Stratton just ridiculous on Newsnight.

    Two polls show a win for Cameron. She is still claiming Labour people were "beaming". But she looks a little more flustered.

    You're beginning to sound like a North London geek! Going on about all these polls and "debates"!
  • Tykejohnno
    Tykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    SeanT said:

    Allegra Stratton just ridiculous on Newsnight.

    Two polls show a win for Cameron. She is still claiming Labour people were "beaming". But she looks a little more flustered.

    Ex bloody guardian,no wonder.

  • Smarmeron
    Smarmeron Posts: 5,099
    edited March 2015
    Guardian blog
    "The ICM poll also asked about character.

    Ed Miliband did better than David Cameron on four counts: governing in the interests of the many not the few (55% v 27%); having the courage to say what’s right rather than what’s popular (51% v 35%); and understanding “people like me” (48% v 25%). And, when asked which leader was more spin than substance, Miliband also did better. Some 49% said Cameron was more spin than substance, but only 35% for Miliband.

    Cameron also won on four counts: being respected around the word (58% to 19%): being decisive (54% to 29%); being good in a crisis (46% to 21%); and being backed by his party (58% to 21%).

    The two men are almost equally matched on having “changed his party for the better”. Some 36% say that of Cameron, and 35% of Miliband."
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    Smarmeron said:

    Guardian blog
    "The ICM poll also asked about character.

    Ed Miliband did better than David Cameron on four counts: governing in the interests of the many not the few (55% v 27%); having the courage to say what’s right rather than what’s popular (51% v 35%); and understanding “people like me” (48% v 25%). And, when asked which leader was more spin than substance, Miliband also did better. Some 49% said Cameron was more spin than substance, but only 35% for Miliband.

    Cameron also won on four counts: being respected around the word (58% to 19%): being decisive (54% to 29%); being good in a crisis (46% to 21%); and being backed by his party (58% to 21%).

    The two men are almost equally matched on having “changed his party for the better”. Some 36% say that of Cameron, and 35% of Miliband."

    Cameron decisive and backed by his party? Sure he is (I know he polls well with them, but I guess that doesn't include all those Tory MP rebels).
  • Tissue_Price
    Tissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    83-17 win for Cameron on Newsnight poll
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
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  • Speedy
    Speedy Posts: 12,100
    Tissue_Price said:

    83-17 win for Cameron on Newsnight poll

    Voodoo poll.
  • Tykejohnno
    Tykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Smarmeron said:

    Guardian blog
    "The ICM poll also asked about character.

    Ed Miliband did better than David Cameron on four counts: governing in the interests of the many not the few (55% v 27%); having the courage to say what’s right rather than what’s being good in a crisis (46% to 21%); popular (51% v 35%); and understanding “people like me” (48% v 25%). And, when asked which leader was more spin than substance, Miliband also did better. Some 49% said Cameron was more spin than substance, but only 35% for Miliband.

    Cameron also won on four counts: being respected around the word (58% to 19%): being decisive (54% to 29%); being good in a crisis (46% to 21%); and being backed by his party (58% to 21%).

    The two men are almost equally matched on having “changed his party for the better”. Some 36% say that of Cameron, and 35% of Miliband."

    being good in a crisis (46% to 21%); that's a big one for Cameron and governing in the interests of the many not the few (55% v 27%); and understanding “people like me” (48% v 25%). these two good for miliband.

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