Earlier on most people on here were saying Miliband had made an error in going last because no one would be watching/this bit wouldn't make the news at this time didn't they?
In my experience, lecturers don't like being lectured to, they end up arguing instead.
That is exactly what it feels like to me - I've seen lecturers argue like this during seminars. It is pretty embarrassing when the topic is medieval history, even more so debating public policy.
A shame for the chap - he overachieved in the public questions.
Hmm. EM struggling, getting flustered. Surprised he didn't anticipate some of these lines of attack and have better responses in his pocket.
Seems a standard reaction to Paxo - oftimes his questions are hardly revolutionary, it's just he seems to get away with asking them aggressively and interrupting people to unsettle them more than others. Not sure why.
Will the anti-austerity people watching (I assume there are a few at least) actually note Ed's comments about cuts in the non-protected departments?
This is brutal. For both of them. We need Paxo back to keep our politicians in check and suitably modest.
Maybe, somebody can arrange for him to do specials like this, because he was useless on Newsnight towards the end. The interview with the Flowers and Brand come to to mind, they were as embarrassing as Cameron and Miliband on this.
@mehdirhasan: Why isn't Ed Miliband better prepared to deal with obvious overspending and deficit questions? WHY? WHY?? Fire someone! #BattleForNumber10
@PickardJE: Miliband squirming as Paxman quotes back at him the JimMurphy line that mansion tax will siphon cash from SE to Scotland #BattleForNumber10
Headlines....."PAXO-ed"....Shame the Sun will have already gone to print before this, as I could see boxes of stuffing with David and Ed's faces on them.
Headlines....."PAXO-ed"....Shame the Sun will have already gone to print before this, as I could see boxes of stuffing with David and Ed's faces on them.
Probably a good call to have the Paxo bit last in that respect at least...
OT - it may be me, the onset of arthritis or senility but I discovered that I have a strange keyboard. Whatever key I hit it comes up with a random letter. If the Germans had my laptop they would have won the war and Benedict Cumberbatch would be receiving awards in New Berlin for portraying the life story of Albert Speer
Not a bad line from Ed M about presumption, though poorly delivered, but the audience liked it.
Oh gods, "A bloke on X said to me". Come on Paxo. This question on Ed M being not tough enough is more of a soft one, Ed should know how to deal with that one.
Not sure about him bringing up Syria - I'm sure I recall his plan was to approve some action there, just not right away, but he plays it as though he never wanted anything. Maybe my recollection is wrong
Like I said, it's too personal from Paxo. Ed looking bullied here. Might do well out of it now. Ed trying to play the DUEMA line as well. Not looking too bad at the end of it.
Funny isn't that Dave and Ed got Paxo'ed...Boris Paxo'ed Paxman last time they did a big interview....Paxman was totally beaten into submission by Boris.
Gaffe spotted! Ed referred to working people, but didn't specify 'hard working people', very off message Tut tut.
Ed's prepared for these answers on him being weak, and having a poor image, certain lines are more clearly well planned than others.
Honestly, he didn't do great there, but the final ones he was ready for - if anything, Paxo's 'You doing alright?" at the very very end seemed more likely to give a poor impression on Ed than his answers, not stellar as some were.
Still, no-one need tell us all to stop being excited and it means nothing, we know.
Cameron: statesmanlike, calm, measured if a touch arrogant but still very assured
Miliband: dreadful with the audience. Mauled first half by Paxo then picked up only to be floored by the final bit caught on mic which will make the news wires.
OT - it may be me, the onset of arthritis or senility but I discovered that I have a strange keyboard. Whatever key I hit it comes up with a random letter. If the Germans had my laptop they would have won the war and Benedict Cumberbatch would be receiving awards in New Berlin for portraying the life story of Albert Speer
If that is the case FP then this posting from you is clearly proof of the infinite monkey theory because your random letters have formed a completely coherent sentence. :-)
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A shame for the chap - he overachieved in the public questions.
Will the anti-austerity people watching (I assume there are a few at least) actually note Ed's comments about cuts in the non-protected departments?
Paxo is on top form against both of them.
#BattleForNumber10
"That's easy. Debates it is."
If Cameron was a 5/10, Miliband is a 3/10.
Yep it is.
http://i.guim.co.uk/static/w-620/h--/q-95/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2015/3/26/1427408430497/406e2161-845b-4a99-b855-e57a3152b780-620x372.jpeg
Audience laughing at him now.
Ed's start to the putin Question.
"Are you proud of it?"
Err, no
Oh gods, "A bloke on X said to me". Come on Paxo. This question on Ed M being not tough enough is more of a soft one, Ed should know how to deal with that one.
Not sure about him bringing up Syria - I'm sure I recall his plan was to approve some action there, just not right away, but he plays it as though he never wanted anything. Maybe my recollection is wrong
Plus the BBC News Channel and website (a little buried, though). But not BBC One.
EDIT sorry thats North London Intellectual
EDIT double sorry I was watching 5 mins behind didn't realise Paxo had said that
Totals :
Dave .... 13.5/20
Ed .... 11/20
That'll be the most important meme of the night!
oooohh...
Human sympathy. Not good for a politician.
It is amazing how often Ed says he doesn't care, or who cares. Then he says he cares about the public.
Does he realise that people have to care to vote for him?
Just like they have to think he talks sense for him actually to be considered to be talking sense.
He wants to be judged on what he does for Britain, but doesn't care what people think? Makes no sense, sir.
Ed's prepared for these answers on him being weak, and having a poor image, certain lines are more clearly well planned than others.
Honestly, he didn't do great there, but the final ones he was ready for - if anything, Paxo's 'You doing alright?" at the very very end seemed more likely to give a poor impression on Ed than his answers, not stellar as some were.
Still, no-one need tell us all to stop being excited and it means nothing, we know.
So in total Miliband did a 6.5/10.
Better than Cameron and far better than expected.
Miliband: dreadful with the audience. Mauled first half by Paxo then picked up only to be floored by the final bit caught on mic which will make the news wires.
Scores on the doors out of 10
Cameron 8
Miliband 3
Twitter is wrong, stick with PB for the definitive and considered reaction.