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  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    Finally, someone gets him on energy costs.
  • isam
    isam Posts: 42,205
    Earlier on most people on here were saying Miliband had made an error in going last because no one would be watching/this bit wouldn't make the news at this time didn't they?
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
    This is brutal. For both of them. We need Paxo back to keep our politicians in check and suitably modest.
  • foxinsoxuk
    foxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Ed says spending will fall inder his control.

    Really?
  • RodCrosby
    RodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    He's a petulant student arguing with his tutor...
  • Mortimer
    Mortimer Posts: 14,229
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    In my experience, lecturers don't like being lectured to, they end up arguing instead.

    That is exactly what it feels like to me - I've seen lecturers argue like this during seminars. It is pretty embarrassing when the topic is medieval history, even more so debating public policy.

    A shame for the chap - he overachieved in the public questions.

  • weejonnie
    weejonnie Posts: 3,820
    I called it earlier that Ed was mad to go 2nd and face Paxman last. Unless he has something up his sleeve . . .
  • currystar
    currystar Posts: 1,171
    Pictures of the audience laughing at ed can't be good
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    edited March 2015
    Ghedebrav said:

    Hmm. EM struggling, getting flustered. Surprised he didn't anticipate some of these lines of attack and have better responses in his pocket.

    Seems a standard reaction to Paxo - oftimes his questions are hardly revolutionary, it's just he seems to get away with asking them aggressively and interrupting people to unsettle them more than others. Not sure why.

    Will the anti-austerity people watching (I assume there are a few at least) actually note Ed's comments about cuts in the non-protected departments?
  • DaemonBarber
    DaemonBarber Posts: 1,626
    Monksfield said:

    Did Cameron do a non agression pact with Paxo as his condition for participation?

    Did you watch the opening bit?

    Paxo is on top form against both of them.
  • Purseybear
    Purseybear Posts: 766
    This is so embarrassing
  • Speedy
    Speedy Posts: 12,100
    Paxman is forcing Miliband to defend the New Labour record, Miliband is refusing to defend it thus it doesn't look good.
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,728
    DavidL said:

    This is brutal. For both of them. We need Paxo back to keep our politicians in check and suitably modest.

    Maybe, somebody can arrange for him to do specials like this, because he was useless on Newsnight towards the end. The interview with the Flowers and Brand come to to mind, they were as embarrassing as Cameron and Miliband on this.
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @mehdirhasan: Why isn't Ed Miliband better prepared to deal with obvious overspending and deficit questions? WHY? WHY?? Fire someone!
    #BattleForNumber10
  • Dair
    Dair Posts: 6,108
    Miliband looks petrified on Jim Murphy question.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,609
    SeanT said:

    Miliband is truly terrible. And I thought Cameron was poor.

    Labour are very lucky this is on SKY. No one will watch, or care.

    Channel 4, and youtube. Literally tens of viewers (well, 18,373 on youtube)
  • TheWatcher
    TheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    SeanT said:

    Miliband is truly terrible. And I thought Cameron was poor.

    Labour are very lucky this is on SKY. No one will watch, or care.

    Sky. And Channel Four.
  • Floater
    Floater Posts: 14,207
    Oh dear Milliband struggling there
  • Tykejohnno
    Tykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Losing London Ed.
  • Mortimer
    Mortimer Posts: 14,229
    SeanT said:

    Miliband is truly terrible. And I thought Cameron was poor.

    Labour are very lucky this is on SKY. No one will watch, or care.

    It is also on C4 - not that it helps hugely, but I imagine 4m plus viewers...
  • Ghedebrav
    Ghedebrav Posts: 3,860
    Good line of attack from Paxo to pick on the mansion tax. It's a crap policy.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    DavidL said:

    This is brutal. For both of them. We need Paxo back to keep our politicians in check and suitably modest.

    "For 2020, you can have 5 minutes with Paxo, or 10 2 hour debates with all 12 parties"

    "That's easy. Debates it is."
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    This is worse than Cameron. Not Natalie Bennett bad. But not miles away either.

    If Cameron was a 5/10, Miliband is a 3/10.
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
    "other types of blood money".
  • DaemonBarber
    DaemonBarber Posts: 1,626
    SeanT said:

    Miliband is truly terrible. And I thought Cameron was poor.

    Labour are very lucky this is on SKY. No one will watch, or care.

    Sure I'm watching on C4.

    Yep it is.
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    edited March 2015
    @PickardJE: Miliband squirming as Paxman quotes back at him the JimMurphy line that mansion tax will siphon cash from SE to Scotland #BattleForNumber10
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,728
    Headlines....."PAXO-ed"....Shame the Sun will have already gone to print before this, as I could see boxes of stuffing with David and Ed's faces on them.
  • BenM
    BenM Posts: 1,795
    Paxman overreaching there.
  • Ghedebrav
    Ghedebrav Posts: 3,860
    Ed finally lands a punch back. But he's been on the ropes for most of this.
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    Laughter at Labour getting an overall majority.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,609
    Good comeback from Ed there.
  • currystar
    currystar Posts: 1,171
    Cameron had a tough time with paxman but at least wasn't embarrassing. Ed is awful
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    Audience laughing at Ed. Again
  • Monksfield
    Monksfield Posts: 2,905
    You're important Jeremy but not that important. lol
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Headlines....."PAXO-ed"....Shame the Sun will have already gone to print before this, as I could see boxes of stuffing with David and Ed's faces on them.

    Probably a good call to have the Paxo bit last in that respect at least...
  • Flightpath
    Flightpath Posts: 4,012
    OT - it may be me, the onset of arthritis or senility but I discovered that I have a strange keyboard. Whatever key I hit it comes up with a random letter. If the Germans had my laptop they would have won the war and Benedict Cumberbatch would be receiving awards in New Berlin for portraying the life story of Albert Speer
  • weejonnie
    weejonnie Posts: 3,820
    Mortimer said:

    SeanT said:

    Miliband is truly terrible. And I thought Cameron was poor.

    Labour are very lucky this is on SKY. No one will watch, or care.

    It is also on C4 - not that it helps hugely, but I imagine 4m plus viewers...
    If Miliband did attack Murdoch then this interview is going to be on every day at peak viewing.
  • Mortimer
    Mortimer Posts: 14,229
    Delusion is a special form of Labour madness. Overall majority? Do me a favour...
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,077
    SeanT said:

    Miliband is truly terrible. And I thought Cameron was poor.

    Labour are very lucky this is on SKY. No one will watch, or care.

    Channel 4 as well!!
  • OldKingCole
    OldKingCole Posts: 35,275
    Ed slaps Paxo about
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,728
    edited March 2015
    Guardian photo says it all...

    http://i.guim.co.uk/static/w-620/h--/q-95/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2015/3/26/1427408430497/406e2161-845b-4a99-b855-e57a3152b780-620x372.jpeg
  • Freggles
    Freggles Posts: 3,487
    Paxo disses Cameron and Ed defends him?
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    "Let me tell you.. Let me tell you.."

    Audience laughing at him now.
  • TheWatcher
    TheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    Feck this is embarrassing. Audience laughing.
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,459
    The minor leaders must be rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect of duffing up Ed.

  • Tykejohnno
    Tykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    edited March 2015
    NOW THAT WAS EMBARRASSING

    Ed's start to the putin Question.
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @PickardJE: Miliband on not entering Syria bombing: "Standing up to the leader of the free world shows a certain toughness....hell I'm tough enough."

    "Are you proud of it?"

    Err, no
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    Not a bad line from Ed M about presumption, though poorly delivered, but the audience liked it.

    Oh gods, "A bloke on X said to me". Come on Paxo. This question on Ed M being not tough enough is more of a soft one, Ed should know how to deal with that one.

    Not sure about him bringing up Syria - I'm sure I recall his plan was to approve some action there, just not right away, but he plays it as though he never wanted anything. Maybe my recollection is wrong
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    Simon Danczuk
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    Paxman getting too personal here. Looks like bullying. Brown gained from being in the same position.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,609
    SeanT said:

    "Hell yeah, I'm tough enough"

    HELL YEAH

    Oh no you didn't!
  • saddened
    saddened Posts: 2,245
    I wonder if rosaree, will be along soon to tell us by how much Ed, cleared the low bar set by Dave?
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    Has Paxo called out Murphy's lies ?
  • SquareRoot
    SquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    Ed makes me squirm just listening to him or watching his mannerisms, but I am starting to feel a bit sorry for him because he is so inept.
  • BenM
    BenM Posts: 1,795
    Oh dear.Head in hands.
  • Ghedebrav
    Ghedebrav Posts: 3,860
    No question that EM has had it tougher than DC. But he's not dealt well with it. Needs to take his time with his responses a bit more.
  • Speedy
    Speedy Posts: 12,100
    Miliband successfully slapped Paxman on the toughness question using Syria.
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,077
    North London GEEK :lol:
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @maitlis: Ah. " hell yes" possibly first really awful reply. #Battle4Number10
  • Grandiose
    Grandiose Posts: 2,323
    weejonnie said:

    Mortimer said:

    SeanT said:

    Miliband is truly terrible. And I thought Cameron was poor.

    Labour are very lucky this is on SKY. No one will watch, or care.

    It is also on C4 - not that it helps hugely, but I imagine 4m plus viewers...
    If Miliband did attack Murdoch then this interview is going to be on every day at peak viewing.

    Plus the BBC News Channel and website (a little buried, though). But not BBC One.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,609
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    North London GEEK :lol:

    Nowt wrong with that.
  • compouter2
    compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    Ed wants this to last another ten minutes, he is getting better.
  • TwistedFireStopper
    TwistedFireStopper Posts: 2,538
    Milliband doing ok in this later part, after a tough start with Paxman.
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    Like I said, it's too personal from Paxo. Ed looking bullied here. Might do well out of it now. Ed trying to play the DUEMA line as well. Not looking too bad at the end of it.
  • isam
    isam Posts: 42,205
    edited March 2015
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    North London GEEK :lol:

    anti semite

    EDIT sorry thats North London Intellectual

    EDIT double sorry I was watching 5 mins behind didn't realise Paxo had said that
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    Speedy said:

    Miliband successfully slapped Paxman on the toughness question using Syria.

    So tough he stood up to a nice friendly soft-left democratic American leader rather than nasty scary Putin.
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,728
    Scott_P said:

    @maitlis: Ah. " hell yes" possibly first really awful reply. #Battle4Number10

    Just the first awful reply?
  • MikeL
    MikeL Posts: 7,809
    Paxo has allowed Miliband to do prepared rousing finale.
  • Saltire
    Saltire Posts: 525
    Paxman lost his way over Scotland but apart from that Ed has been on the ropes for most of this.
  • JackW
    JackW Posts: 14,787
    Ed/Paxo 4.5/10

    Totals :

    Dave .... 13.5/20
    Ed .... 11/20



  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    Out of order from Paxo - he knew that would be on air.
  • RodCrosby
    RodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Are you all right, Ed?

  • williamglenn
    williamglenn Posts: 56,290
    Mic still on when Paxman asks, "Are you ok, Ed?"
  • Monksfield
    Monksfield Posts: 2,905
    WTF has this got to with David Miliband? Time to move on
  • compouter2
    compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    Paxman mentioning David Miliband got more groans from the audience.
  • Purseybear
    Purseybear Posts: 766
    Ooops. They left the mic on as Paxo asked him 'Are you alright?'

    That'll be the most important meme of the night!
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,609
    Oops, that bit shouldn't have been broadcast.
  • Ghedebrav
    Ghedebrav Posts: 3,860
    "Are you ok, ED?"


    oooohh...
  • Garethofthevale
    Garethofthevale Posts: 503
    "Are you OK?" - Not good when the interviewer feels sorry for you.
  • TheWatcher
    TheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    'Are you alright Ed?' From Paxman , on an open mic.
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    Oh dear. Paxman ends to Miliband with: "are you alright?"

    Human sympathy. Not good for a politician.
  • Mortimer
    Mortimer Posts: 14,229
    SeanT said:

    Oh my word. no no no. Ed. Not Syria, Oh god.

    Facepalm MOMENT.

    Indeed.

    It is amazing how often Ed says he doesn't care, or who cares. Then he says he cares about the public.

    Does he realise that people have to care to vote for him?

    Just like they have to think he talks sense for him actually to be considered to be talking sense.

    He wants to be judged on what he does for Britain, but doesn't care what people think? Makes no sense, sir.

  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,728
    edited March 2015
    Funny isn't that Dave and Ed got Paxo'ed...Boris Paxo'ed Paxman last time they did a big interview....Paxman was totally beaten into submission by Boris.
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
    TwistedFireStopper said:

    Milliband doing ok in this later part, after a tough start with Paxman.

    Like DC he got caught flat footed by the ferocity but came to terms and did better towards the end.

  • TwistedFireStopper
    TwistedFireStopper Posts: 2,538
    The microphone picked up Paxman asking Ed if he was ok at the end. He did seem a bit shaky.
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,077
    Ed wiped the floor with Paxo!!! :relaxed:
  • Speedy
    Speedy Posts: 12,100
    Very good ending of Miliband, it was almost as like I would have answered.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    Gaffe spotted! Ed referred to working people, but didn't specify 'hard working people', very off message Tut tut.

    Ed's prepared for these answers on him being weak, and having a poor image, certain lines are more clearly well planned than others.

    Honestly, he didn't do great there, but the final ones he was ready for - if anything, Paxo's 'You doing alright?" at the very very end seemed more likely to give a poor impression on Ed than his answers, not stellar as some were.

    Still, no-one need tell us all to stop being excited and it means nothing, we know.

  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,728
    williamglenn said:

    Mic still on when Paxman asks, "Are you ok, Ed?"

    And we have a new headline....
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    Ok, my Twitter timeline calls it for Ed
  • Danny565
    Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Decent end for Ed, but I feel the catastrophic beginning is what will stick with people.
  • OldKingCole
    OldKingCole Posts: 35,275
    Well, my wife and I thought Ed did well against some rather nasty personal attacks.
  • Grandiose
    Grandiose Posts: 2,323
    Truly a vindication for the format.
  • Danny565
    Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Scott_P said:

    Ok, my Twitter timeline calls it for Ed

    Is this sarcasm? :P
  • Speedy
    Speedy Posts: 12,100
    edited March 2015
    On the Paxman segment Miliband did a 5/10, better than Cameron.

    So in total Miliband did a 6.5/10.
    Better than Cameron and far better than expected.
  • Freggles
    Freggles Posts: 3,487
    Very personal from Paxo. Where were the questions like that for his mate Dave
  • Purseybear
    Purseybear Posts: 766
    Cameron: statesmanlike, calm, measured if a touch arrogant but still very assured

    Miliband: dreadful with the audience. Mauled first half by Paxo then picked up only to be floored by the final bit caught on mic which will make the news wires.

    Scores on the doors out of 10

    Cameron 8

    Miliband 3
  • Smarmeron
    Smarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @Scott_P
    Twitter is wrong, stick with PB for the definitive and considered reaction.
  • Flightpath
    Flightpath Posts: 4,012
    Mortimer said:

    This is as bad as people could have feared for Ed. Really, objectively bad vs Paxo.

    BBC News @ 10.20 say both pretty much the same, both a bit 'bruised'
  • Richard_Tyndall
    Richard_Tyndall Posts: 33,463
    Flightpath said:

    OT - it may be me, the onset of arthritis or senility but I discovered that I have a strange keyboard. Whatever key I hit it comes up with a random letter. If the Germans had my laptop they would have won the war and Benedict Cumberbatch would be receiving awards in New Berlin for portraying the life story of Albert Speer

    If that is the case FP then this posting from you is clearly proof of the infinite monkey theory because your random letters have formed a completely coherent sentence. :-)
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