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  • Mortimer
    Mortimer Posts: 14,229
    FattyBolger said:

    much more interesting questions and answers. But not Prime Ministerial in a million years

    I think this is the key takeaway - and the main reason why a head to head debate was never going to happen. After tonight, we still know who is the PM, and who, to borrow a phrase from a fellow PBer, will never be PM.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,609
    I liked the Bacon sandwich remark. I remember he joked about it at PMQs previously.
  • Dair
    Dair Posts: 6,108
    Paxman needs to ask Miliband if he would let the Tories govern if Labour and the SNP have over 323 seats.
  • Freggles
    Freggles Posts: 3,487
    Who is this American dude
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    Casino_Royale said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Blueberry said:

    Only watched Miliband for 20 seconds - he's already lost because of the tone and tenor of his voice. He's whining.

    He's getting the gestures correct. But his tone, manner and words are not. He's like a lecturer talking to students who need to be educated.
    Maybe that is how he sees it?
    Therein lies the problem.
    I kind of disagree. Politics used to be about having your own ideas and visions and trying to get the voters to buy into them. Now it's about convincing a large enough chunk of the electorate that you're on their side.
  • Speedy
    Speedy Posts: 12,100
    edited March 2015
    Ha ha, on the Cameron question Miliband answers the things that make Cameron unpopular with the Tory party.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    Has Ed been briefed to smile more? He's better looking than me, so I make no judgement on how he looks while doing it, but it is coming across a little like a coached action.
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    Stark_Dawning said:

    SeanT said:

    Why is this SO much harder for Miliband? Weird. Still won't shift votes.

    It's on Sky isn't it? Who owns that? Do I have to spell it out!
    Indeed. Just like Paxo soft-balling Cameron because he's a Tory or the BBC being biased towards the conservatives because their political editor used to be a Tory.
  • isam
    isam Posts: 42,205
    I was still a Labour man when Ed first used the "under promise and over deliver" line, quite good that one
  • Dair
    Dair Posts: 6,108
    Burley is ruining this with her Labour bias.
  • foxinsoxuk
    foxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Why does Ed keep bringing up bacon sandwhiches?
  • BenM
    BenM Posts: 1,795
    Tory stooge!
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,080
    Including Panelbase, Labour lead in part-ELBOW so far this week = 0.1%
  • Blueberry
    Blueberry Posts: 408
    RobD said:

    I liked the Bacon sandwich remark. I remember he joked about it at PMQs previously.

    Over-egging the bacon sandwich - three mentions now and no one's laughing.
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    Good question on 13 years of Labour.
  • Dair
    Dair Posts: 6,108
    Lol Burley picks a plant in the audience asking Labour to say it's going to be better about bank regulations. The bias here is ridiculous.
  • Mortimer
    Mortimer Posts: 14,229
    Ooooh, just when I was about to say a goodish performance from Ed, he comes up with a nasty little comment about councils cutting services because of Tory cuts. It is not that easy Ed, why not commit to cut chief executive council pay to lower than the PMs...
  • Speedy
    Speedy Posts: 12,100
    Miliband is going the route of "I don't look good eating a bacon sandwich but I do stuff that matters".
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,609
    Casino_Royale said:

    Good question on 13 years of Labour.

    The equivalent of that late NHS question to Cameron, I think.
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
    Why is Kay taking up so much time on this?
  • JackW
    JackW Posts: 14,787
    Ed/Audience 6.5/10 - Started well but tailed off somewhat
  • compouter2
    compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    edited March 2015
    Cameron finished with the shredded wheat question from Burley, Ed was asked why is he not further in front in the polls. Shoite.
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    isam said:

    I was still a Labour man when Ed first used the "under promise and over deliver" line, quite good that one

    What do you mean?
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    edited March 2015
    Ed lets the people decide when it's about the future of the country, except when it comes to the EU of course. Heh.
  • Speedy
    Speedy Posts: 12,100
    I give Miliband an 8/10 on the audience questions.
    So far better than expected.
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    Has Ed Balls learned the lessons?

    The clip of him talking to Gordo in the HoC today will be appearing in Tory campaign ads any day now
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    tlg86 said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Blueberry said:

    Only watched Miliband for 20 seconds - he's already lost because of the tone and tenor of his voice. He's whining.

    He's getting the gestures correct. But his tone, manner and words are not. He's like a lecturer talking to students who need to be educated.
    Maybe that is how he sees it?
    Therein lies the problem.
    I kind of disagree. Politics used to be about having your own ideas and visions and trying to get the voters to buy into them. Now it's about convincing a large enough chunk of the electorate that you're on their side.
    No issue with that. I just think Miliband comes across as patronising and condescending.
  • TheWatcher
    TheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    foxinsoxuk said:

    Why does Ed keep bringing up bacon sandwhiches?

    He's trying to make light of a photographic disaster. Overdoing it mind.

    Still, those teeth. Did he get them from Shergar?
  • Dair
    Dair Posts: 6,108
    That was the most ridiculous biased nonsense from Burley. She reduced the audience questions by at least 5 minutes to set Miliband up with easy answers "oh you're a socialist" WTF. And seems she knew exactly who to ask to give Miliband an easy time while disguising the whole thing with one hard question on his brother. Not a single question on Labour lies about funding.
  • isam
    isam Posts: 42,205
    foxinsoxuk said:

    Why does Ed keep bringing up bacon sandwhiches?

    Has he thrown up?!
  • Dair
    Dair Posts: 6,108
    DavidL said:

    Why is Kay taking up so much time on this?

    She's protecting Miliband from the audience. Total bias.
  • bigjohnowls
    bigjohnowls Posts: 22,951
    Didn't see Dave but thought Ed did well
  • Saltire
    Saltire Posts: 525
    Blueberry said:

    RobD said:

    I liked the Bacon sandwich remark. I remember he joked about it at PMQs previously.

    Over-egging the bacon sandwich - three mentions now and no one's laughing.
    Somebody needs to tell him if the joke doesn't work the first time move on rather than trying it again
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
    Thought Ed was better than I expected to be honest but that was the underarm bowling. Now we have Johnson and Stark rolled into one.
  • Peter_the_Punter
    Peter_the_Punter Posts: 14,779
    Best live performance I've yet seen from Ed.

    Now let's see if he can survive Trial By Paxman!
  • Ghedebrav
    Ghedebrav Posts: 3,860
    Objectively, EM given a much tougher ride than DC
  • bigjohnowls
    bigjohnowls Posts: 22,951
    Dave mess up on the details?
  • Freggles
    Freggles Posts: 3,487
    Dair said:

    That was the most ridiculous biased nonsense from Burley. She reduced the audience questions by at least 5 minutes to set Miliband up with easy answers "oh you're a socialist" WTF. And seems she knew exactly who to ask to give Miliband an easy time while disguising the whole thing with one hard question on his brother. Not a single question on Labour lies about funding.

    David got questions about respect for the disabled and shredded wheat
  • OldKingCole
    OldKingCole Posts: 35,275
    edited March 2015
    Casino_Royale said:

    Good question on 13 years of Labour.

    And a clear "Yes we got it wrong"

    Thought he came across as a pretty straight kind of guy.

    Ummm
  • DaemonBarber
    DaemonBarber Posts: 1,626
    Ed did better than expected perhaps.
    Still doesn't look like a potential PM though.
  • Smarmeron
    Smarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @Saltire
    You should have told the "right wingnuts" on here that, three weeks later and they still hadn't stopped.
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,734
    Saltire said:

    Blueberry said:

    RobD said:

    I liked the Bacon sandwich remark. I remember he joked about it at PMQs previously.

    Over-egging the bacon sandwich - three mentions now and no one's laughing.
    Somebody needs to tell him if the joke doesn't work the first time move on rather than trying it again
    As Cameron's weakness is detail, Ed's is if his homework doesn't go down well, he is buggered.
  • Ghedebrav
    Ghedebrav Posts: 3,860
    edited March 2015
    Surprisingly good response on immigration to Paxo from EM.

    EDIT: so far...
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    Ouch! We benefit from diversity? So this country was rubbish when it was almost completely white and British born?
  • Dair
    Dair Posts: 6,108
    Freggles said:

    Dair said:

    That was the most ridiculous biased nonsense from Burley. She reduced the audience questions by at least 5 minutes to set Miliband up with easy answers "oh you're a socialist" WTF. And seems she knew exactly who to ask to give Miliband an easy time while disguising the whole thing with one hard question on his brother. Not a single question on Labour lies about funding.

    David got questions about respect for the disabled and shredded wheat
    At least they were audience questions and not Burley teeing Miliband up to knock it out the park.
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    Poor start here.
  • RodCrosby
    RodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Twitchy, blinking, tetchy....weird Ed....
  • Danny565
    Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Ed being forceful with Paxman.
  • weejonnie
    weejonnie Posts: 3,820
    Britain Thinks - calling it for Cameron - BEFORE Ed meets Paxman! (Guardian website)
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,734
    edited March 2015
    Crickey the reaction from the Guardian "BritainThinks" voters is completely the opposite to what we think.

    They have Cameron as doing well, Miliband as crap. Quote like "FairyTales" from Miliband vs "respect" for Cameron.

    Are they just surveying employees of CCHQ?
  • Mortimer
    Mortimer Posts: 14,229
    Dair said:

    That was the most ridiculous biased nonsense from Burley. She reduced the audience questions by at least 5 minutes to set Miliband up with easy answers "oh you're a socialist" WTF. And seems she knew exactly who to ask to give Miliband an easy time while disguising the whole thing with one hard question on his brother. Not a single question on Labour lies about funding.

    Has it ever occurred to you that if you're the only one asking a question, you may be a little
    blinkered?

  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @rosschawkins: Paxman: you’re making up a question to yourself
  • Danny565
    Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Wait, now he's looking a bit shifty.
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,459
    And then the audience started laughing at Ed.....
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @ShippersUnbound: Paxman bites back: "you're making up the questions yourself"
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Crickey the reaction from the Guardian "BritainThinks" voters is completely the opposite to what we think.

    They have Cameron as doing well, Miliband as crap.

    Are they just surveying employees of CCHQ?

    As I said, Cameron played a straight bat. He didn't eff it up which is good enough.
  • MikeL
    MikeL Posts: 7,809
    Look away now - car about to crash!
  • TheWatcher
    TheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    Oh dear.
  • Saltire
    Saltire Posts: 525
    Audience enjoying this first question from Paxman
  • BenM
    BenM Posts: 1,795
    Ed really struggling here.
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @JohnRentoul: "You're making up a question to yourself." Paxo sums up EdM's MO
  • JackW
    JackW Posts: 14,787
    Ed being paxoed on immigration
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Crickey the reaction from the Guardian "BritainThinks" voters is completely the opposite to what we think.

    They have Cameron as doing well, Miliband as crap. Quote like "FairyTales" from Miliband vs "respect" for Cameron.

    Are they just surveying employees of CCHQ?

    Ultimately we're not a very good cross section of voters!
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    I'm enjoying this.
  • Danny565
    Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Oh well, that optimism lasted a good 20 minutes.
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @afneil: Paxo to Miliband - you're making up a question to yourself.

    That is the soundbite of the night
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    Paxman is speaking more which is probably a very bad sign!
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    edited March 2015
    Ed coming out quick in the Paxo session, refusing to engage and flatly admitting the biggest hurdle in an attempt to shut it down and not drag it out, interesting tactic.
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
    Time out needed.
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    Oh dear, spending was bad in areas but not too high. Poor.
  • RodCrosby
    RodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Drowning...
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    Regrets about New Labour? "We were too relaxed about inequality"

    He answers every single question from the Left.
  • Ghedebrav
    Ghedebrav Posts: 3,860
    tlg86 said:

    Ouch! We benefit from diversity? So this country was rubbish when it was almost completely white and British born?

    British born to Irish, Jewish, Italian, Huguenot, German, Polish, etc., etc.

  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    Paxo is brutal.
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @MrHarryCole: Ed says he didn't spend to much despite some spending not being good enough. hmmmm
  • Freggles
    Freggles Posts: 3,487
    Uh oh
  • RodCrosby
    RodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Glug...Glug
  • isam
    isam Posts: 42,205
    Casino_Royale said:

    isam said:

    I was still a Labour man when Ed first used the "under promise and over deliver" line, quite good that one

    What do you mean?
    Im honestly not being sarcy but I mean I was still a Labour supporter when Ed first used that line and I thought/think it is quite good
  • Speedy
    Speedy Posts: 12,100
    Miliband is trying to defend himself by accepting the guilt.
    A very difficult strategy.
  • TheWatcher
    TheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    Arguing with the interviewer already.
  • Purseybear
    Purseybear Posts: 766
    Christ Milibands shit. Utter utter shit.
  • weejonnie
    weejonnie Posts: 3,820
    Is tonight the night we see that the (putative) emperor has no clothes?
  • nigel4england
    nigel4england Posts: 4,800
    Oh God this is embarrassing, even the audience are laughing at him
  • Mortimer
    Mortimer Posts: 14,229
    This is as bad as people could have feared for Ed. Really, objectively bad vs Paxo.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    In fairness to Ed, everyone elses' forecasts on the economy have been pretty crappy.
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,734
    edited March 2015
    In my experience, lecturers don't like being lectured to, they end up arguing instead.
  • Ghedebrav
    Ghedebrav Posts: 3,860
    Hmm. EM struggling, getting flustered. Surprised he didn't anticipate some of these lines of attack and have better responses in his pocket.
  • DaemonBarber
    DaemonBarber Posts: 1,626
    Paxo is good isn't he.
  • BenM
    BenM Posts: 1,795
    Paxman sets a trap on wages and, er, falls into it himself.
  • Flightpath
    Flightpath Posts: 4,012
    Dair said:

    Freggles said:

    Dair said:

    That was the most ridiculous biased nonsense from Burley. She reduced the audience questions by at least 5 minutes to set Miliband up with easy answers "oh you're a socialist" WTF. And seems she knew exactly who to ask to give Miliband an easy time while disguising the whole thing with one hard question on his brother. Not a single question on Labour lies about funding.

    David got questions about respect for the disabled and shredded wheat
    At least they were audience questions and not Burley teeing Miliband up to knock it out the park.
    Can we have less of the B-word please. It makes me come out in a rash.
  • Monksfield
    Monksfield Posts: 2,905
    Did Cameron do a non agression pact with Paxo as his condition for participation?
  • Dair
    Dair Posts: 6,108
    Miliband fought back well on Paxo's mistake on allowing him an answer on wages.
  • TheWatcher
    TheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    Scatter gunning sound bites. It's gobbledegook time.

    Paxman is excellent.
  • Big_G_NorthWales
    Big_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,238
    This is just embarrassing
  • Schards
    Schards Posts: 210
    Ed floundering here
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @VickiYoung01: But now the difficult bit - what would you cut? "let me explain" says Miliband. Then doesn't. #Battle4Number10
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,459
    Al Campbell did a shit job at prepping Ed.....
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    Ghedebrav said:

    tlg86 said:

    Ouch! We benefit from diversity? So this country was rubbish when it was almost completely white and British born?

    British born to Irish, Jewish, Italian, Huguenot, German, Polish, etc., etc.

    Fair point - but what I'm getting at is that this notion that diversity - and let's not be coy here, he's talking about outside of Europe - necessarily makes a place better. Maybe it does, but then maybe it doesn't.
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,080
    Even I admit he's floundering :(
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,734
    Guardian's journo reaction to Ed Q&A with the audience...

    So Miliband didn’t fall over and accidentally kick himself in the face, which means he’s already ahead.

    Maybe spoke too soon there...
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