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I think Ed will be perceived to be the winner from tonight’s events, because the old maxim of success equals performance minus expectation, and the expecation for Ed is probably lower than it is for David Cameron, especially after David Cameron’s successful performance at PMQs yesterday.
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Hi all.0
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Crap, missed the start due to typing here.0
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That was boring!
Have they started yet?0 -
This seems more difficult than a debate with Farage.0
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On the basis that most people will remember the ending soundbites and the bit most likely to have been seen (the very start), calling this one a win for Ed M already (joke), food banks a hard issue for Cameron.
Already falling back on the 'that's not the question' tactic, bad sign? Though Paxo began the 'I met/spoke to a man/woman' gimmick, funny.
More interesting to see Paxman doing this than the other party leaders I'd have thought.0 -
Zero hours :P
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I am sure Ed will do fine and given low expectations it will be "well didn't he go well".
Think about his conference speeches, not the "when I met Gareth", but the one before it. If Cameron had given a similar speech, it would have been reported as Cameron did his usual polished performance, but instead it was reported as Ed was like MLK reborn, just because the yardstick was so low.
Miliband will be prepped to the earballs for this, where as as we saw Cameron spent the weekend chillaxing.
I don't think Paxman is that much to worry about these days, and the public you just agree to disagree, as they won't be allowed to engage you extended and detailed in back and forth.0 -
Cameron started badly, perhaps he didn't expect that Paxman will bite him straight from the beginning.0
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Pax man is good at this stuff.0
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Shakey start by Cameron. He doesn't look comfortable.0
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Walked into the "well that's the question I am asking."
But Ed finishing with Paxo. That has the potential to be a car crash if anyone is still watching.0 -
Hope Ed isn't watching....he'll be brickin it. What a hostile opening from Paxo0
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Yep0
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Cameron getting a bit prickly.0
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Cameron says that he defended Clarkson before actually knowing what happened.
U turn.0 -
Missed the first few minutes. Any fireworks?0
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Cameron slipping badly on the debt issue.
Up to then was doing well enough.0 -
God, you forget how good Paxo is. We really miss him.0
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Immigration. Oh Lord.0
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Hard not to be when facing Paxman in this mood of course - a question of how reasonable someone can appear even when obviously prickly I guess. Not sure how well Cameron manages that, but not Ed M's strength of course - this is shaping up to be more fun than I'd have thought.Casino_Royale said:Cameron getting a bit prickly.
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I wouldn't lay off those Ed soiling himself bets yet !0
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I was wrong...seems that break from Newsight has done Paxman good...as at Newsnight he just mailed it in for last 2 years.0
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Call me Dave looking stressed, cant blame him mind...0
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Cameron looks a bit tetchy. I hope Paxman keeps on at him, and that he gives Milliband a proper shoeing too.0
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Cameron said the min wage has increased above the rate of inflation
What is that rate?0 -
Extraordinary start; more people use foodbanks because jobcentres now tell people about them!0
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Gods, imagine Clegg facing this sort of thing with the last 5 years of ammunition.0
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A bit better on immigration. He seems better prepared for that.0
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This is a very aggressive interview.
Paxman is a good griller, he attacks relentlessly and forces Cameron to defend himself desperately.0 -
Paxman is awesome0
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It's like a candidate who bulls on his CV and then comes up against a thorough interviewer.0
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Has the debt only gone up by £500bn? Is that excluding the Bank of England gilt purchases?0
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Love the phrasing on the VAT thing. Paxman: You said it to my face.
Cameron didn't just go back on the British people - he went back on Paxman!0 -
Quite a good answer on VAT - I'm not sure I believe him though.0
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Not a bad start for Dave and Paxo. Dave staying on message, Paxo getting the right questions in, stuff that hasn't been asked of Dave.0
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According to Labourites on here over the past few days, Paxman is just a Tory stooge? Funny way of showing it.0
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@JohnRentoul: Paxo wrong on VAT. Cam did not say "exactly the same thing" before last elec. "No plans" is not same as promise not to.0
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Paxo stuffing the PM in early exchanges. Slightly more composed now.
Bad for Cammo and Ed is in for a roasting too.
Clegg and Farage will be quite pleased not to be in the hot seat on this reckoning.0 -
I think Paxman may be even harder on Cameron because of the 'one-nation Tory' stories.0
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Must do.FrankBooth said:Has the debt only gone up by £500bn? Is that excluding the Bank of England gilt purchases?
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This is why the BBC needs to be abolished.
They let Paxman go.0 -
That's how they fool you - by pretending not to be stooges. You wait and see, he'll ask Ed M a hard question at some point, the stooge, that'll be the proof he's an open Tory.FrancisUrquhart said:According to Labourites on here over the past few days, Paxman is just a Tory stooge? Funny way of showing it.
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@skynewsniall: The "big rubbery horse-face of mock incredulity" is very much in evidence this evening #BattleForNumber100
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A debate might actually have been easier than Paxman.0
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Not wanting to raise expectations for Ed, but I don't think we should underestimate just how much of a belligerent little ****er Ed is.0
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Seems like it is a good job Cameron is getting this Paxo-ing out the way well before the GE and without 10-15 million people watching.0
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Waste savings, the old panacea to cover any gaps in a plan..0
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Oh dear0
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True, but to the man in the street it's them being led to the same inference intentionally. Standard political phrasing, so legitimate to critique as though it was a firm promise, as that was the impression meant to be given.Scott_P said:@JohnRentoul: Paxo wrong on VAT. Cam did not say "exactly the same thing" before last elec. "No plans" is not same as promise not to.
Cameron seeming to have firmed up a little.0 -
Not watching but I'll assume Paxo is doing a decent job judging by the Blairites & others whinging according to ScottP's tweets.0
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Despite this thread's excitement, I bet I'm the only person from my work watching this.
The Birmingham Office Girls really dont give a fig.0 -
I was thinking that, too.Casino_Royale said:A debate might actually have been easier than Paxman.
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Cameron got the pace a wee bit now having got caught flat footed by the at the throat manoeuvre.0
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Why's Paxo asking about Libya? It is bad, but surely the more pressing questions are about Syria and Russia?0
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He's asking all of Cameron's worst nightmare questions.Pong said:
I was thinking that, too.Casino_Royale said:A debate might actually have been easier than Paxman.
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That's fair - the hope is some of it filters through to the public at large in some small way, or fires up the political bases and has an impact that way, but no-one seriously presumes that it definitely will.FattyBolger said:Despite this thread's excitement, I bet I'm the only person from my work watching this.
The Birmingham Office Girls really dont give a fig.0 -
@WelshGasDoc: From Malcolm Tucker's files...here is his summary of Jeremy Paxman #BattleForNumber10 http://t.co/494EHTYOxn0
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I predict one thing...Miliband will have all his dodgy figures in order and know more than Paxo about them.
The big weakness of Cameron is always he doesn't do the detail. So when somebody gets past the spun figure and says ok, I have looked and you still need x extra, Cameron gets lost.0 -
PM better as the interview concludes.0
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What are the odds that Paxman mentions The Mirror and phone hacking to Miliband? Has to be high. So stupid of Ed not to deal with that one.0
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Agree with that.FrancisUrquhart said:I predict one thing...Miliband will have all his dodgy figures in order and know more than Paxo about them.
The big weakness of Cameron is always he doesn't do the detail. So when somebody gets past the spun figure and says ok, I have looked and you still need x extra, Cameron gets lost.0 -
Disater for Cameron, low bar for Miliband.0
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What price was "difficult decisions" in the buzzword bingo?
Or were there bands 0-5 6-10 etc?0 -
He's a class act.TheScreamingEagles said:This is why the BBC needs to be abolished.
They let Paxman go.0 -
Q: People are being beheaded on the beach.
Cameron says it has been very difficult.
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I seemed to remember there was huge doubt that was actually true.0 -
Agree with SeanT. This is a bit dull
GOOD!
I want serious discussion and grilling. I want all politicians to face hard interviews as a matter of course. Not silly gotcha type stuff like on R4 breakfast or PM etc
As for the so-called debates. Phooey. Silly circuses all round.
This is much better.
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God I hate the smug Lidl adverts.0
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'disaster'?roserees64 said:Disater for Cameron, low bar for Miliband.
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Not good if Miliband does proportionately better than Cameron.
One thing is for sure; he will have prepared his arse off.0 -
So far Cameron started badly with Paxman but improved in the end.
I give him a 4/10.0 -
A bit short for my tastes, and I'm glad we get at least one proper debate too, but as the actual useful content value of both formats is not likely to be huge, I don't mind the variety myself. Would have preferred more full debates though.SeanT said:Just boring now. This is pointless. We need DEBATES. This is just an interview with more kerfuffle.
Dull.
Pointless question of the minute - better to go Paxo first then audience, or vice-versa? The latter could allow you to get into the swing of things before Paxman goes to town I suppose. You know the sorts of things he will be asking, and it's straightforward aggressive questioning, but people still just cannot seem to ready themselves for it from the off0 -
You can tell that the questions asked weren't anything like the ones he has prepped with his colleagues in the last week.0
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Incredibly easy to ask the questions, much harder to ask them. The best post I read on here today makes the point that Labour are simply throwing bile at easy targets - bedroom tax, food banks, etc. They do not look like an alternative govt anymore than Paxo looks like an alternative PM.0
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Hardly. No gaffes and a straight bat.roserees64 said:Disater for Cameron, low bar for Miliband.
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The only thing that struck me as possibly significant is that Cameron admitted to not being able to live on a zero hours contract.0
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Obvious to you and me, but Cameron has a "wing it" style and isn't a very good debater.SeanT said:
Duh? They are the obvious questions an A Level Politics student would ask. Clear weak points.Casino_Royale said:
He's asking all of Cameron's worst nightmare questions.Pong said:
I was thinking that, too.Casino_Royale said:A debate might actually have been easier than Paxman.
I don't think this is going to change a single vote, unless Cameron or Miliband accidentally bukkakes Kay Burley.
We're all inured to political interviews, plus this is on SKY, viewing figs will be minimal.
A debate might have done damage to either. This format? Nope.0 -
A lot of dodging by Dave as it went on.0
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He should do, but I somehow feel he wont. The media have not really been pushing the Mirror hacking at all.FrankBooth said:What are the odds that Paxman mentions The Mirror and phone hacking to Miliband? Has to be high. So stupid of Ed not to deal with that one.
I would also ask after being so critical of Cameron's appointment of Coulson, despite warnings about his past, why he choose to employ Baldwin (insert plenty of good quotes from Ashcroft book) and also a long time Mirror man.
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Thank God paxo didn't go on the NHS ;-)0
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That was brutal. Sod Clarkson. Bring back Paxo.0
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The zero hour contract thing will be spun against him.MaxPB said:
Hardly. No gaffes and a straight bat.roserees64 said:Disater for Cameron, low bar for Miliband.
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Is it me, or did Jeremy Paxman gave him the sort of grilling Ed Miliband has never been able to do so?0
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A thought has just occured to me. None of the politicians do many of these tough interviews anymore. They simply won't be match fit the way Blair for all his faults was. As for all the preparation they've done - it's a bit like England practising penalties. You can't replicate the match situation.0
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Cameron/Paxo Interview 6/10.0
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Rubbish. He said that they suit some people. And they do. Get in the real world - without zero hours there would be fewer jobs, lower economic growth, more reliance on a state that can not afford to spend as much as it does.tlg86 said:The only thing that struck me as possibly significant is that Cameron admitted to not being able to live on a zero hours contract.
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Cammo did alright there. No howlers. Pretty good defense of the status quo.0
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What the hell has happened to Kay Burley?0
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Yep 4 out of 10 seems about right.
Seemed on the back foot and a little taken aback by the aggession.0 -
Doesn't really matter if the viewing figures are low.Casino_Royale said:Not good if Miliband does proportionately better than Cameron.
One thing is for sure; he will have prepared his arse off.
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Paxo! Go Paxo!0
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The "biggest disaster" question is utterly obvious.SeanT said:
Duh? They are the obvious questions an A Level Politics student would ask. Clear weak points.Casino_Royale said:
He's asking all of Cameron's worst nightmare questions.Pong said:
I was thinking that, too.Casino_Royale said:A debate might actually have been easier than Paxman.
I don't think this is going to change a single vote, unless Cameron or Miliband accidentally bukkakes Kay Burley.
We're all inured to political interviews, plus this is on SKY, viewing figs will be minimal.
A debate might have done damage to either. This format? Nope.
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Cameron answered the last question well about when he was going to leave. The only answer that seemed genuine, and brought a nice human response.
As for the rest.....oh dear David. It won't change votes initially, but'll as I said earlier Cameron is hardly starting the pistol with a spring in his step.... and he will increasingly be fair game to the journos0 -
Impact polls or votes? Almost certainly not, no matter what happens. But I'm just here to be entertained, so on that basis not too bad.
Huh, first question from a guy with the name of the UKIP candidate in my constituency.
Cameron, don't mention the bad things other people say about you - that's for them to do, don't remind us.0 -
First audience question forces Cameron to defend Miliband!0
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Seriously?roserees64 said:Disater for Cameron, low bar for Miliband.
So what are you going to say if Ed fails to clear the bar and doesn't put in a demonstrably better performance than Dave?0 -
First public question utter nonsense0
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