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For starters the person who waded in and promised Scotland Home Rule was Brown.surbiton said:
You cannot desperately give "vows" to keep Scotland within the Union and then complain that their politics is narrow. The SNP stands for the independence of Scotland.Flightpath said:
Demanding everything puts Scotland first is not a recipe for coalition. Its one thing to represent a wider countrywide political viewpoint, but to press for a narrow regional (and politically narrow as well) hegemony can only alienate voters in England. Since the SNP plan only works with Labour the largest party then everything the SNP have said makes it ever more mad for anyone in the North of England to vote Labour.RobD said:
If, as some contest, SNP = Scotland, then I think it's fair to say Alex Salmond = SNP.Carnyx said:
Have a look at the comment below the line which seriously questions that that was actually said. And Mr Salmond is not the same thing as the SNP anyway.Scott_P said:@paulhutcheon: Alex Salmond says @thesnp won't support @uklabour plan to restore 50p tax rate http://t.co/w3eBxoLqmb
As they see it, by holding the balance of power, even if there is a minority Tory government with ,say, 290 seats, they can agree or disagree any government legislation. A form of guerrilla legislative warfare. Basically, drive the government crazy ! It is then the "English" who will want them out ! The SNP wins through the back door - same result. Can't fault them with their strategy. It is not up to them to worry about a stable UK government.
Salmond's tactic has always been to provoke the English. Nothing new. As for independence that vote has gone. I do not see another one being offered, all it as presented quite clearly is English Votes for English Laws. Salmond also shows what a divided pork barrel place a regionalised UK or even England would become.
My point is that their desire to hold Labour to ransom (they have already said no deals at all with the tories) is likely to alienate the Labour vote and get Scotland nothing.
Demanding the HS2 start in Scotland seems a bit daft as well, where would it go? The market for puely Edinburgh to Manchester must be limited. Starting in Birmingham might make sense.
Thanks to devolution then if it starts in Scotland then it must I would have thought come out of the Scotland transport budget. Indeed I think Scotland have still to decide about the link beyond Leeds Manchester.0 -
A country that it's people perceive that they don't have any major national problems will drift to charades like that.Moses_ said:I have no idea who will come out best / win in this "charade" but it now seems that the future of the country, our destiny As a nation will depend on a sodding Tv programme.
FFS. It's not democracy it's "Soaps" box politic. Everyone will claim they won the debate as will the papers along political lines and no guesses as to where the BBC will fall. What does it prove? Nada , zilch, nothing absolutely feckall. . A complete shambles where the debate over a debate has hidden the important issues for weeks and months.
We deserve everything we are going to get .....we truly do
I remember in the late 90's America's only problem was where did President Clinton put his cigar, so they elected G.W.Bush so that they can have other more serious problems to deal with.0 -
How dare you suggest such a thing!Hengists_Gift said:
Well you clearly have a delusionally overblown view of the impact of Pb.com. I really don't think what is expressed on here matters that much.antifrank said:
I'm not defending them. I think this kind of protest is crass and counter-productive.Hengists_Gift said:
And its hardly a surprise that you would come running to their defence either. I bet you wish you were there?antifrank said:So anti-UKIP protestors have failed to win over UKIP supporters on pb. I am not sure that they'll write the protest off as a failure solely on that account.
I'm noting that two dozen Bufton Tuftons spluttering about anarchy in the UK isn't going to deter them. The opposite, in fact.0 -
Er. No.Hengists_Gift said:
Well you clearly have a delusionally overblown view of the impact of Pb.com. I really don't think what is expressed on here matters that much.antifrank said:
I'm not defending them. I think this kind of protest is crass and counter-productive.Hengists_Gift said:
And its hardly a surprise that you would come running to their defence either. I bet you wish you were there?antifrank said:So anti-UKIP protestors have failed to win over UKIP supporters on pb. I am not sure that they'll write the protest off as a failure solely on that account.
I'm noting that two dozen Bufton Tuftons spluttering about anarchy in the UK isn't going to deter them. The opposite, in fact.
Do keep missing the point I am making.0 -
He didn't demand that, he used it as a notional example of an amendment to a Labour Budget if Labour wouldn't play ball with the SNP in a hung parliament.Flightpath said:
Demanding the HS2 start in Scotland seems a bit daft as well, where would it go?0 -
'A hearse a hearse, my kingdom for a hearse' - In other news Richard III is being buried in Leicester.0
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The pub stunt is now number 1 on the BBC most read.
The protestors will be overjoyed and Ukip will probably gain a little.0 -
In fact Salmond poitned out that the SNP voted against lowering 50p rate at the time. So the take away if you want to paraphrase anything is that the SNP supports the 50p tax rate.Alistair said:
The article is simply wrong - he did not say that.Scott_P said:@paulhutcheon: Alex Salmond says @thesnp won't support @uklabour plan to restore 50p tax rate http://t.co/w3eBxoLqmb
He said the SNP proposed UK economic plan was for no tax rises but he didn't say he wouldn't support a 50p rate. His only statement on the top rate of tax is that he would vote against a reduction in the top rate of tax.
It might just be me though, interview is here.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b05p2r5s/the-andrew-marr-show-22032015
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Quite. This makes the repetitive partisan shilling by various posters here rather curious.Hengists_Gift said:I really don't think what is expressed on here matters that much.
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The thought occurs, and I'm sure others have had it, is that if it's someone just having lunch, can it really be called 'protesting' unless they were protesting his choice of lunch?CD13 said:The pub stunt is now number 1 on the BBC most read.
The protestors will be overjoyed and Ukip will probably gain a little.
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Mr. Flightpath, a nonsense that is. Ought to be buried in York.0
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No it isn't- it's not about other people being convinced or having an impact, it's about having a platform for expression, clearly. It certainly saves me from being even more of a boring old [under-30] fart who drones on about political minutiae at work and home. Or at least moderates it somewhat; I am still known partly as the guy who is interested in politics.initforthemoney said:
Quite. This makes the repetitive partisan shilling by various posters here rather curious.Hengists_Gift said:I really don't think what is expressed on here matters that much.
Off topic, Chelsea are once again a bloody lucky team.0 -
You suggested that the comments here opposing the demonstrators would motivate them. I suggested the comments on this site are not important enough to do so. I think my response is perfectly on point.antifrank said:
Er. No.Hengists_Gift said:
Well you clearly have a delusionally overblown view of the impact of Pb.com. I really don't think what is expressed on here matters that much.antifrank said:
I'm not defending them. I think this kind of protest is crass and counter-productive.Hengists_Gift said:
And its hardly a surprise that you would come running to their defence either. I bet you wish you were there?antifrank said:So anti-UKIP protestors have failed to win over UKIP supporters on pb. I am not sure that they'll write the protest off as a failure solely on that account.
I'm noting that two dozen Bufton Tuftons spluttering about anarchy in the UK isn't going to deter them. The opposite, in fact.
Do keep missing the point I am making.
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The fact is that if the SNP gets 40+ seats then I cannot imagine a scenario at the moment where it will not hold the balance of power. So whether there is a formal coalition with Labour or the Tories is immaterial. Nothing gets passed without their consent unless Labour and Conservative agree on some issues.Flightpath said:
For starters the person who waded in and promised Scotland Home Rule was Brown.surbiton said:
You cannot desperately give "vows" to keep Scotland within the Union and then complain that their politics is narrow. The SNP stands for the independence of Scotland.Flightpath said:
.RobD said:
If, as some contest, SNP = Scotland, then I think it's fair to say Alex Salmond = SNP.Carnyx said:
Have a look at the comment below the line which seriously questions that that was actually said. And Mr Salmond is not the same thing as the SNP anyway.Scott_P said:@paulhutcheon: Alex Salmond says @thesnp won't support @uklabour plan to restore 50p tax rate http://t.co/w3eBxoLqmb
As they see it, by holding the balance of power, even if there is a minority Tory government with ,say, 290 seats, they can agree or disagree any government legislation. A form of guerrilla legislative warfare. Basically, drive the government crazy ! It is then the "English" who will want them out ! The SNP wins through the back door - same result. Can't fault them with their strategy. It is not up to them to worry about a stable UK government.
Salmond's tactic has always been to provoke the English. Nothing new. As for independence that vote has gone. I do not see another one being offered, all it as presented quite clearly is English Votes for English Laws. Salmond also shows what a divided pork barrel place a regionalised UK or even England would become.
My point is that their desire to hold Labour to ransom (they have already said no deals at all with the tories) is likely to alienate the Labour vote and get Scotland nothing.
Demanding the HS2 start in Scotland seems a bit daft as well, where would it go? The market for puely Edinburgh to Manchester must be limited. Starting in Birmingham might make sense.
Thanks to devolution then if it starts in Scotland then it must I would have thought come out of the Scotland transport budget. Indeed I think Scotland have still to decide about the link beyond Leeds Manchester.
Ironically, the Lib Dems held the same position and did FA with it. Rank amateurs. They played the responsible game and the people are about to give them a suitable reward for it.0 -
Poor Ed trapped under the heel of the Jockboot.0
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It varies. If most posts were as I describe I wouldn't still be here. I'm talking about a fairly small minority of posters here.kle4 said:
No it isn't- it's not about other people being convinced or having an impact, it's about having a platform for expression, clearly. It certainly saves me from being even more of a boring old [under-30] fart who drones on about political minutiae at work and home.0 -
Ah yes, an inevitable side affect of providing a platform unfortunately.initforthemoney said:
It varies. If most posts were as I describe I wouldn't still be here. I'm talking about a fairly small minority of posters here.kle4 said:
No it isn't- it's not about other people being convinced or having an impact, it's about having a platform for expression, clearly. It certainly saves me from being even more of a boring old [under-30] fart who drones on about political minutiae at work and home.
You might be taking the point a tad too literally however. As I read it I thought the point was that people in general getting upset about such peoples' actions, would only please them, the thought of the 'right' people getting upset at them for it, is surely something they would be happy about.Hengists_Gift said:
You suggested that the comments here opposing the demonstrators would motivate them. I suggested the comments on this site are not important enough to do so. I think my response is perfectly on point.antifrank said:
Er. No.Hengists_Gift said:
Well you clearly have a delusionally overblown view of the impact of Pb.com. I really don't think what is expressed on here matters that much.antifrank said:
I'm not defending them. I think this kind of protest is crass and counter-productive.Hengists_Gift said:
And its hardly a surprise that you would come running to their defence either. I bet you wish you were there?antifrank said:So anti-UKIP protestors have failed to win over UKIP supporters on pb. I am not sure that they'll write the protest off as a failure solely on that account.
I'm noting that two dozen Bufton Tuftons spluttering about anarchy in the UK isn't going to deter them. The opposite, in fact.
Do keep missing the point I am making.
So, anything on France's elections upcoming?0 -
Flightpath Fascinating scenes from Leicester on C4 streets packed for Richard's Cortege as it makes its way to the cathedral led by 2 knights on horseback and all races and ages present too0
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Surbiton The Tories + LDs + DUP could just scrape a majority without the SNP, which would ironically give the party of the most loyal part of the union, Ulster, the balance of power0
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there’s probably only one or two game changers left for the Tories, one of them is the debates,
But the coward is only appearing in one where he's likely to be the target. Thats hardly going to change the game the Tories way.0 -
It's pretty difficult to get actually kicked out of Cambridge. Getting arrested, and getting a criminal record certainly won't do it.FrancisUrquhart said:
Charlie Gilmour was not punished by Cambridge at all for his criminal behaviour and now has a nice job as a journo.Hengists_Gift said:
What pisses me off most is the organiser comes from the other end of the country and is doing it on the back of taxpayer. They should throw the parasite off his MSc!MP_SE said:
Absolute scum. There is a time and a place for protesting and it is certainly not during a family meal.MikeK said:http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ukip-leader-nigel-farage-says-5381350
News UK News Nigel Farage
UKIP leader Nigel Farage says his children are 'missing' after family chased out of pub by protesters
Wonder if he had been exposed an EDL member and had gone round smashing stuff up what their opinion would have been?0 -
Something for you HYUFD, Ted Cruz will announce tomorrow his presidential bid and Rand Paul calls for americans to boycott S.Arabia for it's segregation against women:
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/sen-ted-cruz-2016-presidential-bid-116285.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2015/03/21/sen-rand-paul-calls-for-a-boycott-of-saudi-arabia/
I'm out.0 -
There are lots of potential game changers on all sides though it seems certain that the SNP will decimate labour in ScotlandHengists_Gift said:On topic:
there’s probably only one or two game changers left for the Tories, one of them is the debates,
But the coward is only appearing in one where he's likely to be the target. Thats hardly going to change the game the Tories way.0 -
Genuine LOL moment there - Classic!!Alanbrooke said:Poor Ed trapped under the heel of the Jockboot.
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Mr. Northwales, ahem. If the SNP only decimate Scottish Labour then the nationalists will be severely disappointed.0
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A Buddhist monk and a Muslim Imam in the congregation at Leicester Cathedral, along with the Duke of Gloucester to add to the surreal occasion. Ceremony conducted by the Bishop of Leicester alongside Cardinal Vincent Nichols to represent Richard's Catholic past0
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Farage attacked by protestors supporting gay rights, the right to public breastfeeding and a muslim call to prayer eh?
You could get away with that combo in a Kent pub, would like to see them try it in a mosque0 -
Surely Cambridge would realise that it needs to defend its talent the same way the BBC does with stars like Clarkson? Where would Cambridge be without the intellectual gravitas of Charlie Gilmour? I'd also wonder whether some of the dons might not be sympathetic to the misdeeds of some of their undergraduates. Maybe not so much as say the assistant professor for Hugo Chavez studies at generic metropolitan university former polytechnic.rcs1000 said:
It's pretty difficult to get actually kicked out of Cambridge. Getting arrested, and getting a criminal record certainly won't do it.FrancisUrquhart said:
Charlie Gilmour was not punished by Cambridge at all for his criminal behaviour and now has a nice job as a journo.Hengists_Gift said:
What pisses me off most is the organiser comes from the other end of the country and is doing it on the back of taxpayer. They should throw the parasite off his MSc!MP_SE said:
Absolute scum. There is a time and a place for protesting and it is certainly not during a family meal.MikeK said:http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ukip-leader-nigel-farage-says-5381350
News UK News Nigel Farage
UKIP leader Nigel Farage says his children are 'missing' after family chased out of pub by protesters
Wonder if he had been exposed an EDL member and had gone round smashing stuff up what their opinion would have been?0 -
After peers from York and Lancaster lay a cloth over his coffin, a brownie doing her Richard III badge places a crown on the coffin0
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Why - are you suggesting labour will have less mps in Scotland than the scottish conservatives !!Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Northwales, ahem. If the SNP only decimate Scottish Labour then the nationalists will be severely disappointed.
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Thanks Speedy, kudos to Rand Paul there, he has an excellent chance of winning Iowa in my view and will do well in NH too. Cruz could also take S Carolina, plenty for Jeb Bush or Christie to think about, whichever of them wins NH will then take on Paul and Cruz0
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These type of people have been around for years. If it was not UKIP they would find something else to protest about as they are desperate for finding a purpose to their sorry lives. They are literally the dregs of society.isam said:Farage attacked by protestors supporting gay rights, the right to public breastfeeding and a muslim call to prayer eh?
You could get away with that combo in a Kent pub, would like to see them try it in a mosque
The police used to take a very active interest in these types of groups as they considered them subversive.
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Mr. NorthWales, decimating just means reducing by one tenth.
*cough* And it's fewer
It's theoretically possible there could be more Conservative Scottish MPs than Labour ones, but I really don't think it'll happen.0 -
Point takenMorris_Dancer said:Mr. NorthWales, decimating just means reducing by one tenth.
*cough* And it's fewer
It's theoretically possible there could be more Conservative Scottish MPs than Labour ones, but I really don't think it'll happen.0 -
Surbiton Given the DUP are basically UKIP with an Ulster accent probably not0
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It is surreal. The BBC say that the coffin was made from English Oak from the Duchy of Cornwall. Looks like flatpack from IKEA to me!HYUFD said:A Buddhist monk and a Muslim Imam in the congregation at Leicester Cathedral, along with the Duke of Gloucester to add to the surreal occasion. Ceremony conducted by the Bishop of Leicester alongside Cardinal Vincent Nichols to represent Richard's Catholic past
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Fascinating polling out of Spain: Podemos, the PP and the Socialists have all lost a remarkable amount of support in the last six months - with all of them dropping votes to a (relative) newcomer the Citizen's Party (which has historically been Catalonia only).
Citizens has gone from about 3% in the polls a year ago, to 13-15% now. And it looks like Spain could have four parties all within a couple of percent of 20% shares. (The PP and Podemos just above, and the Socialists and the Citizen's Party just below.)
As Spain is a completely proportional system (with no first party boost), some kind of coalition is going to be needed post election - my guess would be PP + Citizens. It's hard to see who Podemos could go into coalition with, except possibly the Socialists - and I think the Socialists would rather be in opposition than be the junior coalition partner of Podemos.0 -
I disagree to the extent I think the chances of a positive game changer that allows the Tories to get a significant advantage over Labour or vice versa are minimal. I think the parlous state of the public sector finances and their own self inflicted ideological restrictions means they have very little room to move. Both parties have tied their hands behind their backs before the campaign has started so I doubt very much we will see any game changers from them. The only game changer for them is if someone or something screws up.Big_G_NorthWales said:
There are lots of potential game changers on all sides though it seems certain that the SNP will decimate labour in ScotlandHengists_Gift said:On topic:
there’s probably only one or two game changers left for the Tories, one of them is the debates,
But the coward is only appearing in one where he's likely to be the target. Thats hardly going to change the game the Tories way.
For the other parties there are game changers for sure but given none of them are likely to see 3 figure numbers of seats such game changers are relatively small in terms of the election as a whole and in reality the big game changer (the Scottish Independence referendum and the Scots response to that turning away from Labour and to the SNP) has already happened.0 -
So Ed has been cribbing for awhile on the debates....and Dave has been carrying out the duties of a prime minister. Hmmmm..Just shows why Dave is right not to engage on the debates as the red team have spent the last few months trying to come up with elephant traps for them...0
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I have always wondered why universities are supposed to take an interest in the lives of its students. While what Mr Gilmour did was clearly wrong, I can't see that Cambridge University has any authority to expel him.FrankBooth said:
Surely Cambridge would realise that it needs to defend its talent the same way the BBC does with stars like Clarkson? Where would Cambridge be without the intellectual gravitas of Charlie Gilmour? I'd also wonder whether some of the dons might not be sympathetic to the misdeeds of some of their undergraduates. Maybe not so much as say the assistant professor for Hugo Chavez studies at generic metropolitan university former polytechnic.rcs1000 said:
It's pretty difficult to get actually kicked out of Cambridge. Getting arrested, and getting a criminal record certainly won't do it.FrancisUrquhart said:
Charlie Gilmour was not punished by Cambridge at all for his criminal behaviour and now has a nice job as a journo.Hengists_Gift said:
What pisses me off most is the organiser comes from the other end of the country and is doing it on the back of taxpayer. They should throw the parasite off his MSc!MP_SE said:
Absolute scum. There is a time and a place for protesting and it is certainly not during a family meal.MikeK said:http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ukip-leader-nigel-farage-says-5381350
News UK News Nigel Farage
UKIP leader Nigel Farage says his children are 'missing' after family chased out of pub by protesters
Wonder if he had been exposed an EDL member and had gone round smashing stuff up what their opinion would have been?
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GarethVale Indeed, in Herefordshire by Richard's direct descendant apparently0
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Mr. 1000, think that's in response to the way Syriza's going in Greece?
And what do you make of the view espoused here earlier in the day that Greece may 'accidentally' leave the single currency?0 -
rcs1000 Indeed, Catalonia is also making its presence felt after the news from Scotland0
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So Cameron is not adept enough at debating to stand on his own record and is running scared of Labour 'elephant traps'. Yep thats a positive image for one of the leaders of the democratic world to give...timmo said:So Ed has been cribbing for awhile on the debates....and Dave has been carrying out the duties of a prime minister. Hmmmm..Just shows why Dave is right not to engage on the debates as the red team have spent the last few months trying to come up with elephant traps for them...
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The game changers are still in play and notwithstanding your analysis of the parties the voters are not engaged yet (other than in Scotland). There is plenty to play for even without something dramatic like a terrorist attackHengists_Gift said:
I disagree to the extent I think the chances of a positive game changer that allows the Tories to get a significant advantage over Labour or vice versa are minimal. I think the parlous state of the public sector finances and their own self inflicted ideological restrictions means they have very little room to move. Both parties have tied their hands behind their backs before the campaign has started so I doubt very much we will see any game changers from them. The only game changer for them is if someone or something screws up.Big_G_NorthWales said:
There are lots of potential game changers on all sides though it seems certain that the SNP will decimate labour in ScotlandHengists_Gift said:On topic:
there’s probably only one or two game changers left for the Tories, one of them is the debates,
But the coward is only appearing in one where he's likely to be the target. Thats hardly going to change the game the Tories way.
For the other parties there are game changers for sure but given none of them are likely to see 3 figure numbers of seats such game changers are relatively small in terms of the election as a whole and in reality the big game changer (the Scottish Independence referendum and the Scots response to that turning away from Labour and to the SNP) has already happened.0 -
Brilliant analysis in today's Observer where William Keegan looks at the budget. He criticised Osborne's jokes which he sees as demeaning one of the great offices of state. Osborne is compared to a spiv who uses a variety of dodgy devices to prove things that are untrue.Keegan quotes the IFS 'there is no real increase in incomes in the data we have seen so far.' Osborne persisted with the lie by including university income etc.in his calculation.He is a national disgrace.0
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Most popular politician in the UK at present outside of Scotlandroserees64 said:Brilliant analysis in today's Observer where William Keegan looks at the budget. He criticised Osborne's jokes which he sees as demeaning one of the great offices of state. Osborne is compared to a spiv who uses a variety of dodgy devices to prove things that are untrue.Keegan quotes the IFS 'there is no real increase in incomes in the data we have seen so far.' Osborne persisted with the lie by including university income etc.in his calculation.He is a national disgrace.
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Lets just remember Gilmour didn't just "get arrested". He was given a 16 months custodial sentence. His swinging from the flags on Cenotaph was a minor part of what he was up to.JohnLilburne said:
I have always wondered why universities are supposed to take an interest in the lives of its students. While what Mr Gilmour did was clearly wrong, I can't see that Cambridge University has any authority to expel him.FrankBooth said:
Surely Cambridge would realise that it needs to defend its talent the same way the BBC does with stars like Clarkson? Where would Cambridge be without the intellectual gravitas of Charlie Gilmour? I'd also wonder whether some of the dons might not be sympathetic to the misdeeds of some of their undergraduates. Maybe not so much as say the assistant professor for Hugo Chavez studies at generic metropolitan university former polytechnic.rcs1000 said:
It's pretty difficult to get actually kicked out of Cambridge. Getting arrested, and getting a criminal record certainly won't do it.FrancisUrquhart said:
Charlie Gilmour was not punished by Cambridge at all for his criminal behaviour and now has a nice job as a journo.Hengists_Gift said:
What pisses me off most is the organiser comes from the other end of the country and is doing it on the back of taxpayer. They should throw the parasite off his MSc!MP_SE said:
Absolute scum. There is a time and a place for protesting and it is certainly not during a family meal.MikeK said:http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ukip-leader-nigel-farage-says-5381350
News UK News Nigel Farage
UKIP leader Nigel Farage says his children are 'missing' after family chased out of pub by protesters
Wonder if he had been exposed an EDL member and had gone round smashing stuff up what their opinion would have been?
Cambridge absolutely does have the right and authority to have "sent him down" i.e expel him. Gilmour could under the terms of being a member of the university have been at the worse end rusticated for a year or sent down, or at the lower end had his privileges removed, made to do community service and very least a formal apologies for his behaviour.
None of the above was handed out.
I am not saying they should have kicked him out, I am just saying he received zero punishment from his college / university.
FYI, Jon Snow, was rusticated.0 -
Even I find some of these people annoying. Here in Cardiff we had enough of it with the Nato summit. Whilst a lot of people were understandably frustrated about town being shut down and the endless security rigmarole, the band of protesters beomaning the evil rulers of the world and their nefarious plans to enslave the world's poor was tiresome in the extreme.SeanT said:This anti-UKIP stuff is bullshit now. You can just about defend egging a politician at hustings, or even harrassing a pol trying to make a Glasgow speech or open a party office in Rotherham.
Impossible to justify invading his private life, scaring his kids, pushing him out of a pub, jumping up and down on his car, etc.
The police have to arrest these people before they get Farage elected as prime minister.
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I responded but its been deleted..MP_SE said:
These type of people have been around for years. If it was not UKIP they would find something else to protest about as they are desperate for finding a purpose to their sorry lives. They are literally the dregs of society.isam said:Farage attacked by protestors supporting gay rights, the right to public breastfeeding and a muslim call to prayer eh?
You could get away with that combo in a Kent pub, would like to see them try it in a mosque
The police used to take a very active interest in these types of groups as they considered them subversive.0 -
You talk about these game changers but what are they?Big_G_NorthWales said:
The game changers are still in play and notwithstanding your analysis of the parties the voters are not engaged yet (other than in Scotland). There is plenty to play for even without something dramatic like a terrorist attackHengists_Gift said:
I disagree to the extent I think the chances of a positive game changer that allows the Tories to get a significant advantage over Labour or vice versa are minimal. I think the parlous state of the public sector finances and their own self inflicted ideological restrictions means they have very little room to move. Both parties have tied their hands behind their backs before the campaign has started so I doubt very much we will see any game changers from them. The only game changer for them is if someone or something screws up.Big_G_NorthWales said:
There are lots of potential game changers on all sides though it seems certain that the SNP will decimate labour in ScotlandHengists_Gift said:On topic:
there’s probably only one or two game changers left for the Tories, one of them is the debates,
But the coward is only appearing in one where he's likely to be the target. Thats hardly going to change the game the Tories way.
For the other parties there are game changers for sure but given none of them are likely to see 3 figure numbers of seats such game changers are relatively small in terms of the election as a whole and in reality the big game changer (the Scottish Independence referendum and the Scots response to that turning away from Labour and to the SNP) has already happened.
The news has been saturated with Cameron and Miliband and their parties for three months now notwithstanding almost 5 years of their tedious bickering. For them because they have restricted themselves already all that is left is to keep plugging away. They have nothing of real resonance to catch the voters imagination with so neither is going to make big gains or losses in vote share. Its going to be attritional and as such that many voters have not switched on yet is probably a good thing because many of them will probably switch off just as quickly when they realise there is not a lot on offer.
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I read an article the other day where Podemos were talking down their chances in Catalonia as it is slightly different to the rest of Spain.rcs1000 said:Fascinating polling out of Spain: Podemos, the PP and the Socialists have all lost a remarkable amount of support in the last six months - with all of them dropping votes to a (relative) newcomer the Citizen's Party (which has historically been Catalonia only).
Citizens has gone from about 3% in the polls a year ago, to 13-15% now. And it looks like Spain could have four parties all within a couple of percent of 20% shares. (The PP and Podemos just above, and the Socialists and the Citizen's Party just below.)
As Spain is a completely proportional system (with no first party boost), some kind of coalition is going to be needed post election - my guess would be PP + Citizens. It's hard to see who Podemos could go into coalition with, except possibly the Socialists - and I think the Socialists would rather be in opposition than be the junior coalition partner of Podemos.
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Yep...Hengists_Gift said:
So Cameron is not adept enough at debating to stand on his own record and is running scared of Labour 'elephant traps'. Yep thats a positive image for one of the leaders of the democratic world to give...timmo said:So Ed has been cribbing for awhile on the debates....and Dave has been carrying out the duties of a prime minister. Hmmmm..Just shows why Dave is right not to engage on the debates as the red team have spent the last few months trying to come up with elephant traps for them...
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Cardinal Nichols 'In his day political power was settled on the battlefield in often bloody battle, we may be thankful political power is now achieved in a rather different manner'
A pity, a battle between Ed and Dave's armies would be rather amusing, with Clegg at the side seeing which way the wind blows, Salmond and Farage's hordes attacking from the rear and Natalie Bennett knitting a CND scarf in the background!0 -
Brett Rickles (@Brett_Rickles)
22/03/2015 17:58
Was it something I said? @thetwerkinggirl pic.twitter.com/KRX76axr8o
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Will there any corrections be forthcoming from yesterdays factually incorrect trollings?roserees64 said:Brilliant analysis in today's Observer where William Keegan looks at the budget. He criticised Osborne's jokes which he sees as demeaning one of the great offices of state. Osborne is compared to a spiv who uses a variety of dodgy devices to prove things that are untrue.Keegan quotes the IFS 'there is no real increase in incomes in the data we have seen so far.' Osborne persisted with the lie by including university income etc.in his calculation.He is a national disgrace.
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Lee Jasper (@LeeJasper)
22/03/2015 07:11
Trevor Phillips @MaajidNawaz two men who put profit before principle I'd debate both anytime on their abysmal record pic.twitter.com/rKf5oW2aZz
Adil Ray (@adilray)
22/03/2015 12:34
. @LeeJasper @MaajidNawaz Maajid. As a Muslim could you please avoid having an opinion your own faith and the issues that surround it. Thx
Maajid Nawaz (@MaajidNawaz)
22/03/2015 18:03
.@adilray yes, sir. I promise to only think "brown thoughts" : )
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What degree did you get from Troll University?roserees64 said:Brilliant analysis in today's Observer where William Keegan looks at the budget. He criticised Osborne's jokes which he sees as demeaning one of the great offices of state. Osborne is compared to a spiv who uses a variety of dodgy devices to prove things that are untrue.Keegan quotes the IFS 'there is no real increase in incomes in the data we have seen so far.' Osborne persisted with the lie by including university income etc.in his calculation.He is a national disgrace.
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It will be interesting to see how RUK reacts to Alex Salmond's red lines with labour with the cancellation of Trident and an end of austerity. Quite a quick response from the conservatives with a catchy parody of Salmond and Miliband being shown now on Sky News. All elections are influenced by 'events'Hengists_Gift said:
You talk about these game changers but what are they?Big_G_NorthWales said:
The game changers are still in play and notwithstanding your analysis of the parties the voters are not engaged yet (other than in Scotland). There is plenty to play for even without something dramatic like a terrorist attackHengists_Gift said:
I disagree to the extent I think the chances of a positive game changer that allows the Tories to get a significant advantage over Labour or vice versa are minimal. I think the parlous state of the public sector finances and their own self inflicted ideological restrictions means they have very little room to move. Both parties have tied their hands behind their backs before the campaign has started so I doubt very much we will see any game changers from them. The only game changer for them is if someone or something screws up.Big_G_NorthWales said:
There are lots of potential game changers on all sides though it seems certain that the SNP will decimate labour in ScotlandHengists_Gift said:On topic:
there’s probably only one or two game changers left for the Tories, one of them is the debates,
But the coward is only appearing in one where he's likely to be the target. Thats hardly going to change the game the Tories way.
For the other parties there are game changers for sure but given none of them are likely to see 3 figure numbers of seats such game changers are relatively small in terms of the election as a whole and in reality the big game changer (the Scottish Independence referendum and the Scots response to that turning away from Labour and to the SNP) has already happened.
The news has been saturated with Cameron and Miliband and their parties for three months now notwithstanding almost 5 years of their tedious bickering. For them because they have restricted themselves already all that is left is to keep plugging away. They have nothing of real resonance to catch the voters imagination with so neither is going to make big gains or losses in vote share. Its going to be attritional and as such that many voters have not switched on yet is probably a good thing because many of them will probably switch off just as quickly when they realise there is not a lot on offer.0 -
History may well prove him to be the best Chancellor ever.roserees64 said:Brilliant analysis in today's Observer where William Keegan looks at the budget. He criticised Osborne's jokes which he sees as demeaning one of the great offices of state. Osborne is compared to a spiv who uses a variety of dodgy devices to prove things that are untrue.Keegan quotes the IFS 'there is no real increase in incomes in the data we have seen so far.' Osborne persisted with the lie by including university income etc.in his calculation.He is a national disgrace.
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How do you know he was not punished?FrancisUrquhart said:
Lets just remember Gilmour didn't just "get arrested". He was given a 16 months custodial sentence. His swinging from the flags on Cenotaph was a minor part of what he was up to.JohnLilburne said:
I have always wondered why universities are supposed to take an interest in the lives of its students. While what Mr Gilmour did was clearly wrong, I can't see that Cambridge University has any authority to expel him.FrankBooth said:
Surely Cambridge would realise that it needs to defend its talent the same way the BBC does with stars like Clarkson? Where would Cambridge be without the intellectual gravitas of Charlie Gilmour? I'd also wonder whether some of the dons might not be sympathetic to the misdeeds of some of their undergraduates. Maybe not so much as say the assistant professor for Hugo Chavez studies at generic metropolitan university former polytechnic.rcs1000 said:
It's pretty difficult to get actually kicked out of Cambridge. Getting arrested, and getting a criminal record certainly won't do it.FrancisUrquhart said:
Charlie Gilmour was not punished by Cambridge at all for his criminal behaviour and now has a nice job as a journo.Hengists_Gift said:
What pisses me off most is the organiser comes from the other end of the country and is doing it on the back of taxpayer. They should throw the parasite off his MSc!MP_SE said:
Absolute scum. There is a time and a place for protesting and it is certainly not during a family meal.MikeK said:http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ukip-leader-nigel-farage-says-5381350
News UK News Nigel Farage
UKIP leader Nigel Farage says his children are 'missing' after family chased out of pub by protesters
Wonder if he had been exposed an EDL member and had gone round smashing stuff up what their opinion would have been?
Cambridge absolutely does have the right and authority to have "sent him down" i.e expel him. Gilmour could under the terms of being a member of the university have been at the worse end rusticated for a year or sent down, or at the lower end had his privileges removed, made to do community service and very least a formal apologies for his behaviour.
None of the above was handed out.
I am not saying they should have kicked him out, I am just saying he received zero punishment from his college / university.
FYI, Jon Snow, was rusticated.
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So was there a Sun on Sunday poll or not?0
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@ftbrussels: Brexit could cost £56bn a year, report says http://t.co/vJnU7f1WSS0
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What the bloody hell is this all about?isam said:Lee Jasper (@LeeJasper)
22/03/2015 07:11
Trevor Phillips @MaajidNawaz two men who put profit before principle I'd debate both anytime on their abysmal record pic.twitter.com/rKf5oW2aZz
Adil Ray (@adilray)
22/03/2015 12:34
. @LeeJasper @MaajidNawaz Maajid. As a Muslim could you please avoid having an opinion your own faith and the issues that surround it. Thx
Maajid Nawaz (@MaajidNawaz)
22/03/2015 18:03
.@adilray yes, sir. I promise to only think "brown thoughts" : )0 -
Burn The Heretic.Hengists_Gift said:
Well you clearly have a delusionally overblown view of the impact of Pb.com. I really don't think what is expressed on here matters that much.antifrank said:
I'm not defending them. I think this kind of protest is crass and counter-productive.Hengists_Gift said:
And its hardly a surprise that you would come running to their defence either. I bet you wish you were there?antifrank said:So anti-UKIP protestors have failed to win over UKIP supporters on pb. I am not sure that they'll write the protest off as a failure solely on that account.
I'm noting that two dozen Bufton Tuftons spluttering about anarchy in the UK isn't going to deter them. The opposite, in fact.
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Dave's Armies? Would that be the Eton Trifles?HYUFD said:Cardinal Nichols 'In his day political power was settled on the battlefield in often bloody battle, we may be thankful political power is now achieved in a rather different manner'
A pity, a battle between Ed and Dave's armies would be rather amusing, with Clegg at the side seeing which way the wind blows, Salmond and Farage's hordes attacking from the rear and Natalie Bennett knitting a CND scarf in the background!
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His college said so.Carnyx said:
How do you know he was not punished?FrancisUrquhart said:
Lets just remember Gilmour didn't just "get arrested". He was given a 16 months custodial sentence. His swinging from the flags on Cenotaph was a minor part of what he was up to.JohnLilburne said:
I have always wondered why universities are supposed to take an interest in the lives of its students. While what Mr Gilmour did was clearly wrong, I can't see that Cambridge University has any authority to expel him.FrankBooth said:
Surely Cambridge would realise that it needs to defend its talent the same way the BBC does with stars like Clarkson? Where would Cambridge be without the intellectual gravitas of Charlie Gilmour? I'd also wonder whether some of the dons might not be sympathetic to the misdeeds of some of their undergraduates. Maybe not so much as say the assistant professor for Hugo Chavez studies at generic metropolitan university former polytechnic.rcs1000 said:
It's pretty difficult to get actually kicked out of Cambridge. Getting arrested, and getting a criminal record certainly won't do it.FrancisUrquhart said:
Charlie Gilmour was not punished by Cambridge at all for his criminal behaviour and now has a nice job as a journo.Hengists_Gift said:
What pisses me off most is the organiser comes from the other end of the country and is doing it on the back of taxpayer. They should throw the parasite off his MSc!MP_SE said:
Absolute scum. There is a time and a place for protesting and it is certainly not during a family meal.MikeK said:http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ukip-leader-nigel-farage-says-5381350
News UK News Nigel Farage
UKIP leader Nigel Farage says his children are 'missing' after family chased out of pub by protesters
Wonder if he had been exposed an EDL member and had gone round smashing stuff up what their opinion would have been?
Cambridge absolutely does have the right and authority to have "sent him down" i.e expel him. Gilmour could under the terms of being a member of the university have been at the worse end rusticated for a year or sent down, or at the lower end had his privileges removed, made to do community service and very least a formal apologies for his behaviour.
None of the above was handed out.
I am not saying they should have kicked him out, I am just saying he received zero punishment from his college / university.
FYI, Jon Snow, was rusticated.0 -
Better than Pitt?nigel4england said:
History may well prove him to be the best Chancellor ever.roserees64 said:Brilliant analysis in today's Observer where William Keegan looks at the budget. He criticised Osborne's jokes which he sees as demeaning one of the great offices of state. Osborne is compared to a spiv who uses a variety of dodgy devices to prove things that are untrue.Keegan quotes the IFS 'there is no real increase in incomes in the data we have seen so far.' Osborne persisted with the lie by including university income etc.in his calculation.He is a national disgrace.
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trip trap trip trapantifrank said:@ftbrussels: Brexit could cost £56bn a year, report says http://t.co/vJnU7f1WSS
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Amazing scenes in Leicester as hordes of Jacobites line the streets to honour the White Rose of York.0
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Mr. Antifrank, and people said not joining the eurozone would be awful too.0
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Shame he wasn't defenestrated.FrancisUrquhart said:
FYI, Jon Snow, was rusticated.0 -
Hengists Gift Well Wellington said Waterloo was won on the playing fields of Eton, perhaps Cameron could win on its dining halls, especially as he is fond of his puddings0
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I didn't write the report.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Antifrank, and people said not joining the eurozone would be awful too.
It does also posit a positive outcome from leaving the EU. That would, it says, require open borders.0 -
JackW Wouldn't the Jacobites have been neutral on the wars as it was several centuries before both the Stuarts and Hanoverians took the throne?0
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I expect that Richard III would have been unhappy to be reburied in a heretics' place of worship.HYUFD said:JackW Wouldn't the Jacobites have been neutral on the wars as it was several centuries before both the Stuarts and Hanoverians took the throne?
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The link to the article on the FT is not working for me but Open Europe have already been discredited as a think tank who peddle half truths and falsities.antifrank said:@ftbrussels: Brexit could cost £56bn a year, report says http://t.co/vJnU7f1WSS
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C4 now interviewing some Brazilians and Germans who have come to Leicester today for the procession0
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Given that the list of people rusticated from Oxbridge includes Milton, Dryden, Shelley, Landor Swinburne, Oscar Wilde, Marc Boxer as well as Jon Snow, then I'd have thought Gilmour would have been absolutely delighted if his college had rusticated him.
I can't think of anything that would have got his journalism career off to a better start.0 -
Has anyone analysed what effect a DUP/UUP pact will have on the 4 seats they intend to jointly fight in NI?0
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french municipals exit polls
ump 29%
fn 26%
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a hearse a hearse a kingdom for a hearse
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Is that the White Cockade lining up with the White Rose?JackW said:Amazing scenes in Leicester as hordes of Jacobites line the streets to honour the White Rose of York.
Personally I'm all for Henry Tewdur, although his treatment of the "undeserving poor' was far worse than IDS'.
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@TimGatt: Sing-a-long with Salmond: what tunes could Alex get Ed to dance to? http://t.co/ZVHRhLgOaF #SunNation http://t.co/5wbIcwHKs60
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Well done TSE ..... a blue bar chart on PB.com at last, if ever I saw one.
For those with access to Matthew Parris' weekly articles in The Times, yesterday's piece headed "The Tories are going to win – and win well" was particularly interesting.0 -
Is that good or bad for the FN?Alanbrooke said:french municipals exit polls
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I'm all for Ten Pole TudorOldKingCole said:
Is that the White Cockade lining up with the White Rose?JackW said:Amazing scenes in Leicester as hordes of Jacobites line the streets to honour the White Rose of York.
Personally I'm all for Henry Tewdur, although his treatment of the "undeserving poor' was far worse than IDS'.
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Certainly not.HYUFD said:JackW Wouldn't the Jacobites have been neutral on the wars as it was several centuries before both the Stuarts and Hanoverians took the throne?
The Stuart line is traced through to Elizabeth of York (Queen Consort of Henry Tudor) - daughter of Edward IV and niece of Richard III.
She was the grandmother of James V of Scotland and through his daughter Mary Queen of Scots and her son James VI & I the Stuart line descends. The Jacobite symbol of the white cockade is from the white rose of York.
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too late! :-)state_go_away said:a hearse a hearse a kingdom for a hearse
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Jon Snow wasn't rusticated from Oxbridge, it was from University of Liverpool.YBarddCwsc said:Given that the list of people rusticated from Oxbridge includes Milton, Dryden, Shelley, Landor Swinburne, Oscar Wilde, Marc Boxer as well as Jon Snow, then I'd have thought Gilmour would have been absolutely delighted if his college had rusticated him.
I can't think of anything that would have got his journalism career off to a better start.0 -
I think they were hoping on a good night they would top the poll, Second exit poll has UMP 31% and FN 25%timmo said:
Is that good or bad for the FN?Alanbrooke said:french municipals exit polls
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bugger and its' my kingdom' anywayFlightpath said:
too late! :-)state_go_away said:a hearse a hearse a kingdom for a hearse
I hope Richard is saying 'Look at this Tudor!! ' 'How many people saw you funeral then 100? mine ?- millions mate!
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Very bad, they were as high as 37-38% in some pollingtimmo said:
Is that good or bad for the FN?Alanbrooke said:french municipals exit polls
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They also regularly contradict themselves. This from their Research Director.MP_SE said:
The link to the article on the FT is not working for me but Open Europe have already been discredited as a think tank who peddle half truths and falsities.antifrank said:@ftbrussels: Brexit could cost £56bn a year, report says http://t.co/vJnU7f1WSS
http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=85484
We can survive a Brexit, but banks would take a hit
The economic risks of a leaving the EU are both slighter and more nuanced than Gordon Brown with his 'North Korea' claims will admit
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/11462085/We-can-survive-a-Brexit-but-banks-would-take-a-hit.html
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You have to admit this displays a very strange mindset. Kate Winslet I could understand.SeanT said:Apparently, the guy who frightened Nigel Farage's kids today once "superglued himself to Gordon Brown".
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So, one good thing, one bad...SeanT said:Apparently, the guy who frightened Nigel Farage's kids today once "superglued himself to Gordon Brown".
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Parris seems to be getting ever more deeper into never-never land; I bet he plays with Tinker-Bell every night.peter_from_putney said:Well done TSE ..... a blue bar chart on PB.com at last, if ever I saw one.
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"The report sets out four scenarios in the event of so-called Brexit, ranging from a worst-case situation — the loss of 2.2 per cent of national GDP (or £56bn) by 2030 — to one where GDP rises by 1.6 per cent."antifrank said:@ftbrussels: Brexit could cost £56bn a year, report says http://t.co/vJnU7f1WSS
Or in other words "Brexit could scoop UK £41bn a year, report says".
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Antifrank He would have preferred to be buried in York Minster at least, but considering he may well have been a serial killer, as David Starkey is now saying 99% certain he murdered his nephews, I don't think he can have too many complaints about his solemn burial in Leicester Cathedral today. (Personally as someone who also has had scoliosis, and had an operation for it 10 years ago, I have some sympathy for Richard, and he did introduce some key reforms, but he was no Saint)0
