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One of the best UKIP constituency bets at the moment is the 4/1 that’s available from several bookies on UKIP winning South Basildon and East Thurrock.

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  • peter_from_putney
    peter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    First ..... again!
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    peter_from_putney said:

    First ..... again!

    God damn it!
  • dugarbandier
    dugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    re: Clarkson. If you have a helicopter at your disposal and a ton of money, how hard is it to get food? (didn't elvis fly the length of the USA for a peanut butter sarnie?)
  • Indigo
    Indigo Posts: 9,966
    dugarbandier said:

    re: Clarkson. If you have a helicopter at your disposal and a ton of money, how hard is it to get food? (didn't elvis fly the length of the USA for a peanut butter sarnie?)

    According to one account the failure of the ordered food to be present in the hotel at the end of the helicopter flight was the start of the alleged altercation.
  • peter_from_putney
    peter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    Thanks for the heads-up Mike. This 4-1 price is currently on offer from Laddies, Corals and Betfair Sportsbook, but probably not for long.
  • dugarbandier
    dugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    Indigo said:

    dugarbandier said:

    re: Clarkson. If you have a helicopter at your disposal and a ton of money, how hard is it to get food? (didn't elvis fly the length of the USA for a peanut butter sarnie?)

    According to one account the failure of the ordered food to be present in the hotel at the end of the helicopter flight was the start of the alleged altercation.
    I know, but figured the situation could be quickly rectified with a flight to the Bobby's Indian Sweet Shop Helipad in Roundhay. or whatever
  • Indigo
    Indigo Posts: 9,966
    dugarbandier said:

    Indigo said:

    dugarbandier said:

    re: Clarkson. If you have a helicopter at your disposal and a ton of money, how hard is it to get food? (didn't elvis fly the length of the USA for a peanut butter sarnie?)

    According to one account the failure of the ordered food to be present in the hotel at the end of the helicopter flight was the start of the alleged altercation.
    I know, but figured the situation could be quickly rectified with a flight to the Bobby's Indian Sweet Shop Helipad in Roundhay. or whatever
    Yeah, too many unknown at the moment, it might have started as a complaint followed by a brush off followed by a louder complain, followed by a more forceful brush-off, followed by handbags for all we know.

    A: Where's the food
    B: The chef went home, there's sandwiches and beer in the fridge
    A: Are you having a laugh ?
    B: Are you still complaining about your stomach ?
    A: Have at ye, varlet etc ;)

  • foxinsoxuk
    foxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Wasn't this the constituency that was the centre of the selection row in January?

    Natasha Bolter being parachuted in; exposed in the press as enjoying the support of Bird; resigning only to have Neil Hamilton nominated then withdrawn and Kerry Smith chosen. He too withdrew after some rather inappropriate remarks and Luder being chosen. He had been in the earlier rounds but not selected.

    This may not be the well honed and focussed local party needed for a strong ground game.
  • SimonStClare
    SimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited March 2015
    foxinsoxuk said:

    Wasn't this the constituency that was the centre of the selection row in January?

    Morning all.

    Indeed Mr Fox, Ian Luder replaced UKIP candidate Kerry Smith, after he was recorded making offensive remarks about fellow party members.

    According to his Wiki bio, Mr Luder has an impressive CV.
  • foxinsoxuk
    foxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    SimonStClare said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    Wasn't this the constituency that was the centre of the selection row in January?

    Indeed, Ian Luder replaced UKIP candidate Kerry Smith, after he was recorded making offensive remarks about fellow party members.

    According to his Wiki bio, Mr Luder has an impressive CV.
    Kerry Smith is now standing as an independent, campaigning as "proper UKIP"

    http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30708132

    Independents do not have a good record in GE's, but a lot depends on how local activists feel. I think that I will sit this one out. 4/1 does not look to be particularly good value to me.
  • SimonStClare
    SimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited March 2015
    foxinsoxuk said:

    SimonStClare said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    Wasn't this the constituency that was the centre of the selection row in January?

    Indeed, Ian Luder replaced UKIP candidate Kerry Smith, after he was recorded making offensive remarks about fellow party members.

    According to his Wiki bio, Mr Luder has an impressive CV.
    Kerry Smith is now standing as an independent, campaigning as "proper UKIP"

    http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30708132

    Independents do not have a good record in GE's, but a lot depends on how local activists feel. I think that I will sit this one out. 4/1 does not look to be particularly good value to me.
    UKIP proper? - well, apart from a wealth of jokes regarding the’ People's front of Judea’ etc, it does also raise the question somewhat of a split vote?
  • OldKingCole
    OldKingCole Posts: 35,268
    Isn’t he also a former Chair of Basildon Hospital which has had it’s problems over the past few years?
  • Purseybear
    Purseybear Posts: 766
    edited March 2015
    foxinsoxuk said:

    Wasn't this the constituency that was the centre of the selection row in January?

    Natasha Bolter being parachuted in; exposed in the press as enjoying the support of Bird; resigning only to have Neil Hamilton nominated then withdrawn and Kerry Smith chosen. He too withdrew after some rather inappropriate remarks and Luder being chosen. He had been in the earlier rounds but not selected.

    This may not be the well honed and focussed local party needed for a strong ground game.

    & with Kerry Smith standing as independent ukip or proper ukip it looks a bit of a dogs brekky to me for ukip there. Local party splits n' spats never seem to end in victory.

    M Smithsons prob right & worth a flutter but only if low stakes.
  • foxinsoxuk
    foxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited March 2015
    OldKingCole said:

    Isn’t he also a former Chair of Basildon Hospital which has had it’s problems over the past few years?

    He wrote this piece on his family origins in the Guardian:

    http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2009/jan/31/family-life-grandparents-son

    It sounds as if his Grandfather was another Romanian refugee done good, despite the difficulties with his passport.

    Luder does seem to have been effective at turning around Basildon Hospital, which does seem to have improved over the last five years:

    http://www.theguardian.com/healthcare-network/2014/nov/14/basildon-hospital-turned-around-clare-panniker
  • ThomasNashe
    ThomasNashe Posts: 5,331
    Meanwhile Shapps/ Green in further trouble:

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/15/grant-shapps-admits-he-had-second-job-as-millioniare-web-marketer-while-mp
  • OldKingCole
    OldKingCole Posts: 35,268
    foxinsoxuk said:

    OldKingCole said:

    Isn’t he also a former Chair of Basildon Hospital which has had it’s problems over the past few years?

    He wrote this piece on his family origins in the Guardian:

    http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2009/jan/31/family-life-grandparents-son

    It sounds as if his Grandfather was another Romanian refugee done good, despite the difficulties with his passport.

    Luder does seem to have been effective at turning around Basildon Hospital, which does seem to have improved over the last five years:

    http://www.theguardian.com/healthcare-network/2014/nov/14/basildon-hospital-turned-around-clare-panniker
    Must admit there’s little in the local Press to Basildon Hospital’s discredit these days.
  • GeoffM
    GeoffM Posts: 6,071
    ThomasNashe said:

    Meanwhile Shapps/ Green in further trouble:

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/15/grant-shapps-admits-he-had-second-job-as-millioniare-web-marketer-while-mp

    I see that "millionaire" has made it as far as the URL. Probably the article too but me dirtying myself by going to the Guardian website is a step too far. You can read it for me and report back.

    The politics of envy is alive and well. It would have been unremarked if he had been a "poor" web marketer.
  • JackW
    JackW Posts: 14,787
    A positive Ukip thread on PB !!

    Mike must still be on the sauce following the Burnley FC win against the Man City 2nd XI on Saturday.

    Does relegation still threaten Burnley as well as Ukip ?? .... are Ukip Leicester in disguise .... will Burnley win the Champions League in season 2016/2017 ??
  • ThomasNashe
    ThomasNashe Posts: 5,331
    edited March 2015
    GeoffM said:

    ThomasNashe said:

    Meanwhile Shapps/ Green in further trouble:

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/15/grant-shapps-admits-he-had-second-job-as-millioniare-web-marketer-while-mp

    I see that "millionaire" has made it as far as the URL. Probably the article too but me dirtying myself by going to the Guardian website is a step too far. You can read it for me and report back.

    The politics of envy is alive and well. It would have been unremarked if he had been a "poor" web marketer.
    Well, it does appear he's been telling a few fibs recently. I do wonder though if 'submarine' George has been in action in a move to get rid of him before the election campaign proper. But perhaps I'm being a bit too cynical ...
  • CarlottaVance
    CarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    JackW said:

    A positive Ukip thread on PB !!

    Yes, but its also 'things are tougher than they look/the betting markets think for the Tories', and correct me if I'm mistaken, but we have seen the odd one or two of those before?
  • OldKingCole
    OldKingCole Posts: 35,268
    JackW said:

    A positive Ukip thread on PB !!

    Mike must still be on the sauce following the Burnley FC win against the Man City 2nd XI on Saturday.

    Does relegation still threaten Burnley as well as Ukip ?? .... are Ukip Leicester in disguise .... will Burnley win the Champions League in season 2016/2017 ??

    Burnley used to be a force to be really reckoned with in the days when they were chaired by local butcher made very good, Bob Lord.
  • JackW
    JackW Posts: 14,787
    CarlottaVance said:

    JackW said:

    A positive Ukip thread on PB !!

    Yes, but its also 'things are tougher than they look/the betting markets think for the Tories', and correct me if I'm mistaken, but we have seen the odd one or two of those before?
    Revolution comes slowly to PB. :smile:
    OldKingCole said:

    JackW said:

    A positive Ukip thread on PB !!

    Mike must still be on the sauce following the Burnley FC win against the Man City 2nd XI on Saturday.

    Does relegation still threaten Burnley as well as Ukip ?? .... are Ukip Leicester in disguise .... will Burnley win the Champions League in season 2016/2017 ??

    Burnley used to be a force to be really reckoned with in the days when they were chaired by local butcher made very good, Bob Lord.
    Were the local meats pies any good ?

  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,866
    I don't see it myself. If this had been a by election with all the focus that that brings on the candidate then maybe but I remain to be persuaded that this makes much difference in a GE. Same reasoning that I applied to the mayor of Watford really.

    If UKIP polls in the low to mid teens he loses. And I think they will.
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    On this one at 8-1
  • OldKingCole
    OldKingCole Posts: 35,268
    JackW said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    JackW said:

    A positive Ukip thread on PB !!

    Yes, but its also 'things are tougher than they look/the betting markets think for the Tories', and correct me if I'm mistaken, but we have seen the odd one or two of those before?
    Revolution comes slowly to PB. :smile:
    OldKingCole said:

    JackW said:

    A positive Ukip thread on PB !!

    Mike must still be on the sauce following the Burnley FC win against the Man City 2nd XI on Saturday.

    Does relegation still threaten Burnley as well as Ukip ?? .... are Ukip Leicester in disguise .... will Burnley win the Champions League in season 2016/2017 ??

    Burnley used to be a force to be really reckoned with in the days when they were chaired by local butcher made very good, Bob Lord.
    Were the local meats pies any good ?

    Don’t know, but as Lord made a lot of money from his business, starting, IIRC from scratch, I suppose they must have been.

    That was in the days of course when football clubs usually had as directors local men (and it was always men!) with local pride, who’d often grown up supporting the team.
  • Scrapheap_as_was
    Scrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    0/1 - will ICM follow Spurs and also let me down!

    OGH backed Farage against Bercow. Weight accordingly.
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    I'd be surprised if Clacton, Thanet South, Rochester & Strood and Thurrock aren't banged in along with this one though.
  • felix
    felix Posts: 15,180
    CarlottaVance said:

    JackW said:

    A positive Ukip thread on PB !!

    Yes, but its also 'things are tougher than they look/the betting markets think for the Tories', and correct me if I'm mistaken, but we have seen the odd one or two of those before?
    LOL - seems like like you missed a few zeros off your figures :)
  • blackburn63
    blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    He is an excellent candidate as is Jamie Huntman in Castle Point. Several ukip target seats are going under the radar due to all the media attention on South Thanet.
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,457
    foxinsoxuk said:

    SimonStClare said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    Wasn't this the constituency that was the centre of the selection row in January?

    Indeed, Ian Luder replaced UKIP candidate Kerry Smith, after he was recorded making offensive remarks about fellow party members.

    According to his Wiki bio, Mr Luder has an impressive CV.
    Kerry Smith is now standing as an independent, campaigning as "proper UKIP"

    http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30708132

    Independents do not have a good record in GE's, but a lot depends on how local activists feel. I think that I will sit this one out. 4/1 does not look to be particularly good value to me.
    Considering the seat, I would have thought she would be standing as Pukka UKIP....
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    edited March 2015
    felix said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    JackW said:

    A positive Ukip thread on PB !!

    Yes, but its also 'things are tougher than they look/the betting markets think for the Tories', and correct me if I'm mistaken, but we have seen the odd one or two of those before?
    LOL - seems like like you missed a few zeros off your figures :)
    It depends which betting market and which model you want to use. According to the Fisher model, 5-2, 3-10 Con/Labour most votes are correct prices (Neither is value) but 6-4 Miliband next PM would be value.
  • Sean_F
    Sean_F Posts: 39,132
    OldKingCole said:

    JackW said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    JackW said:

    A positive Ukip thread on PB !!

    Yes, but its also 'things are tougher than they look/the betting markets think for the Tories', and correct me if I'm mistaken, but we have seen the odd one or two of those before?
    Revolution comes slowly to PB. :smile:
    OldKingCole said:

    JackW said:

    A positive Ukip thread on PB !!

    Mike must still be on the sauce following the Burnley FC win against the Man City 2nd XI on Saturday.

    Does relegation still threaten Burnley as well as Ukip ?? .... are Ukip Leicester in disguise .... will Burnley win the Champions League in season 2016/2017 ??

    Burnley used to be a force to be really reckoned with in the days when they were chaired by local butcher made very good, Bob Lord.
    Were the local meats pies any good ?

    Don’t know, but as Lord made a lot of money from his business, starting, IIRC from scratch, I suppose they must have been.

    That was in the days of course when football clubs usually had as directors local men (and it was always men!) with local pride, who’d often grown up supporting the team.
    The pies contained "special stuff".
  • OldKingCole
    OldKingCole Posts: 35,268
    MarqueeMark said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    SimonStClare said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    Wasn't this the constituency that was the centre of the selection row in January?

    Indeed, Ian Luder replaced UKIP candidate Kerry Smith, after he was recorded making offensive remarks about fellow party members.

    According to his Wiki bio, Mr Luder has an impressive CV.
    Kerry Smith is now standing as an independent, campaigning as "proper UKIP"

    http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30708132

    Independents do not have a good record in GE's, but a lot depends on how local activists feel. I think that I will sit this one out. 4/1 does not look to be particularly good value to me.
    Considering the seat, I would have thought she would be standing as Pukka UKIP....
    Kerry Smith is male.
  • felix
    felix Posts: 15,180
    Pulpstar said:

    felix said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    JackW said:

    A positive Ukip thread on PB !!

    Yes, but its also 'things are tougher than they look/the betting markets think for the Tories', and correct me if I'm mistaken, but we have seen the odd one or two of those before?
    LOL - seems like like you missed a few zeros off your figures :)
    It depends which betting market and which model you want to use. According to the Fisher model, 5-2, 3-10 Con/Labour most votes are correct prices (Neither is value) but 6-4 Miliband next PM would be value.
    I think you may have missed the point - but I'm not betting on it :)
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    edited March 2015
    felix said:

    Pulpstar said:

    felix said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    JackW said:

    A positive Ukip thread on PB !!

    Yes, but its also 'things are tougher than they look/the betting markets think for the Tories', and correct me if I'm mistaken, but we have seen the odd one or two of those before?
    LOL - seems like like you missed a few zeros off your figures :)
    It depends which betting market and which model you want to use. According to the Fisher model, 5-2, 3-10 Con/Labour most votes are correct prices (Neither is value) but 6-4 Miliband next PM would be value.
    I think you may have missed the point - but I'm not betting on it :)
    No no, I know precisely the point you are making and was called a "PB Tory fantasist" when I suggested it may well be possible to drive from Lands End to John O groats without passing through a Labour or Lib Dem constituency ;)

    UNS overstates Labour and will understate the Lib Dems (Even though the Lib Dems will underperform UNS in places...)
  • JohnO
    JohnO Posts: 4,312
    edited March 2015
    Mike S - Did you serve with Luder on Bedford Council? I see he was a longstanding Labour member of the Authority.
  • Edin_Rokz
    Edin_Rokz Posts: 516
    ThomasNashe said:

    GeoffM said:

    ThomasNashe said:

    Meanwhile Shapps/ Green in further trouble:

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/15/grant-shapps-admits-he-had-second-job-as-millioniare-web-marketer-while-mp

    I see that "millionaire" has made it as far as the URL. Probably the article too but me dirtying myself by going to the Guardian website is a step too far. You can read it for me and report back.

    The politics of envy is alive and well. It would have been unremarked if he had been a "poor" web marketer.
    Well, it does appear he's been telling a few fibs recently. I do wonder though if 'submarine' George has been in action in a move to get rid of him before the election campaign proper. But perhaps I'm being a bit too cynical ...
    Probably too cynical, too late to replace him without political damage and too late because he has been involved in the planning of the campaign to bring in some one new.

    Certainly, if the police start taking more of an interest or the guy that Green's lawyers stamped on, gets his legal team in action, then things could change. But don't see it happening.
  • Roger
    Roger Posts: 20,744
    No market yet on whether the oleaginous Grant Shapps is the next Cabinet Minister to get his marching orders?

  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    Heywood & Middleton is going to be bloody close come election night.
  • SMukesh
    SMukesh Posts: 1,759
    GeoffM said:

    ThomasNashe said:

    Meanwhile Shapps/ Green in further trouble:

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/15/grant-shapps-admits-he-had-second-job-as-millioniare-web-marketer-while-mp

    I see that "millionaire" has made it as far as the URL. Probably the article too but me dirtying myself by going to the Guardian website is a step too far. You can read it for me and report back.

    The politics of envy is alive and well. It would have been unremarked if he had been a "poor" web marketer.
    Well worth the read but I suspect it will not be very high in those issues discussed on this site this morning.

    It is not about him having a second job but about lying that he never did as an MP including in a radio interview done 3 weeks ago which is on Youtube.

    Now that the Guardian has found a audio recording of him marketeering as Michael Green oin 2006,his memory has been rekindled.
  • Edin_Rokz
    Edin_Rokz Posts: 516
    Edin_Rokz said:

    ThomasNashe said:

    GeoffM said:

    ThomasNashe said:

    Meanwhile Shapps/ Green in further trouble:

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/15/grant-shapps-admits-he-had-second-job-as-millioniare-web-marketer-while-mp

    I see that "millionaire" has made it as far as the URL. Probably the article too but me dirtying myself by going to the Guardian website is a step too far. You can read it for me and report back.

    The politics of envy is alive and well. It would have been unremarked if he had been a "poor" web marketer.
    Well, it does appear he's been telling a few fibs recently. I do wonder though if 'submarine' George has been in action in a move to get rid of him before the election campaign proper. But perhaps I'm being a bit too cynical ...
    Probably too cynical, too late to replace him without political damage and too late because he has been involved in the planning of the campaign to bring in some one new.

    Certainly, if the police start taking more of an interest or the guy that Green's lawyers stamped on, gets his legal team in action, then things could change. But don't see it happening.
    Mind though, the eBooks and courses that he was flogging (literally as well as selling) must still be on a a lot of hard drives and would be seriously embarrassing if they came to light again.

    Never bought anything off him my self, read too many comments and reports at the time which, er, were not polite about the material from the future Chair of the Conservative Party
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    Roger said:

    No market yet on whether the oleaginous Grant Shapps is the next Cabinet Minister to get his marching orders?

    Won't count for cabinet out bets I'm afraid, which is bad news for those of use holding slips for the current cabinet to not go all the way.
  • Sean_F
    Sean_F Posts: 39,132
    Pulpstar said:

    Heywood & Middleton is going to be bloody close come election night.

    I'd expect a fairly comfortable Labour hold over UKIP.

    I wonder if Ed Milliband would have been forced out if UKIP had won.

  • TheWatcher
    TheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    Roger said:

    No market yet on whether the oleaginous Grant Shapps is the next Cabinet Minister to get his marching orders?

    An Ad Man describing another as 'oleaginous'. Funny guy, Roger.
  • another_richard
    another_richard Posts: 27,927
    On the subject of UKIP target constituencies Sarah Champion has decided to give them a boost in Rotherham:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-31895703

    After all the bad publicity MPs have had on their expenses, not least her predecessor, she must be either very thick or very greedy to have done this.
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    edited March 2015
    another_richard said:

    On the subject of UKIP target constituencies Sarah Champion has decided to give them a boost in Rotherham:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-31895703

    After all the bad publicity MPs have had on their expenses, not least her predecessor, she must be either very thick or very greedy to have done this.

    That's our Champion :)
  • Financier
    Financier Posts: 3,916
    The piece by Trevor Phillips in advance of his TV programme is well worth a read.

    www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2996235/At-man-dares-tell-truth-race-Ex-race-tsar-says-silencing-debate-devastating-harm-Britain.html
  • MikeK
    MikeK Posts: 9,053
    peter_from_putney said:

    First ..... again!

    Good morning all.
    Peter, you are getting up unreasonably early. Can't sleep, or looking for an early bet? ;)
  • Roger
    Roger Posts: 20,744
    edited March 2015
    SMukesh

    "It is not about him having a second job but about lying that he never did as an MP including in a radio interview done 3 weeks ago which is on Youtube."

    Isn't the difficulty that no one spends more of their time accusing the opposition of lying and as one of the figurheads of the election campaign won't his pit bull persona get tested to breaking point when every time he opens his mouth he's asked about his own terminiological inexactitudes?
  • MikeK
    MikeK Posts: 9,053
    A good one to start the week:

    "Every time there's been a Labour Government we've ended up in a recession." #bbcsp https://t.co/c6sjre9mMc

    — Ben (@Jamin2g) March 15, 2015
  • rcs1000
    rcs1000 Posts: 60,714
    Hmmm: would that be Ian Luder from Bedford, by any chance? Whose daughter was at school with OGH's daughter?
  • Morris_Dancer
    Morris_Dancer Posts: 62,742
    Good morning, everyone.

    Good news! The third episode of Zodiac Eclipse, my mini-series, is up here: http://www.kraxon.com/zodiac-eclipse-a-warm-welcome/
  • Charles
    Charles Posts: 35,758
    JackW said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    JackW said:

    A positive Ukip thread on PB !!

    Yes, but its also 'things are tougher than they look/the betting markets think for the Tories', and correct me if I'm mistaken, but we have seen the odd one or two of those before?
    Revolution comes slowly to PB. :smile:
    OldKingCole said:

    JackW said:

    A positive Ukip thread on PB !!

    Mike must still be on the sauce following the Burnley FC win against the Man City 2nd XI on Saturday.

    Does relegation still threaten Burnley as well as Ukip ?? .... are Ukip Leicester in disguise .... will Burnley win the Champions League in season 2016/2017 ??

    Burnley used to be a force to be really reckoned with in the days when they were chaired by local butcher made very good, Bob Lord.
    Were the local meats pies any good ?

    Only on days when the team lost...
  • JackW
    JackW Posts: 14,787
    edited March 2015
    Latest ARSE with added APLOMB 2015 General Election & "JackW Dozen" Projection Countdown :

    88,888 seconds
  • MikeSmithson
    MikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    JohnO said:

    Mike S - Did you serve with Luder on Bedford Council? I see he was a longstanding Labour member of the Authority.

    Yes. I know him well and have great respect for his campaigning skills.

  • MikeK
    MikeK Posts: 9,053
    The Mayoral infighting spreads:

    PoliticsHome ‏@politicshome 32m32 minutes ago
    Zac Goldsmith has been warned off mounting a late bid for London Mayor by a potential rival http://polho.me/1Fr81mW
  • CarlottaVance
    CarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    Alan Cochrane peddling the 'Scots Tories to Vote Labour' line again:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11474084/Why-some-Scottish-Tories-will-vote-Labour.html

    Is there any polling evidence to back up this anacdata?
  • TCPoliticalBetting
    TCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    Mr Luder has a similar haircut to OGH. Could be a brother?
  • Roger
    Roger Posts: 20,744
    Watcher

    "An Ad Man describing another as 'oleaginous'. Funny guy, Roger"

    You struggle to differentiate the creatives who cant be categorized as oleaginous and the others like Michael Green who come in all shapes and sizes. Just look at everyones favourite oik basher

  • isam
    isam Posts: 42,205
    This is a great bet, the price is madness

    As Mike says, Ukip were ahead before turnout weighting in the Ashcroft poll and what is equally noteworthy is Ukip won the seat at the euros by a bigger margin than they 'won' next door Thurrock where they are best price 4/6

    If you think Ukip have a decent chance in Thurrock, you have to be on this at 4/1, it really is a no brainer

    This seat also came out as one of Ukips most likely wins using my system of interpreting 2010 results... Untested as yet, but some decent value bets have come out of it

    Finally, despite some on here thinking Tim aker in Thurrock won't get much support from Ukip activists (?) , Ukip are a massive presence in Thurrock with full time activists having moved there from London and the North to work for Aker, and they are also campaigning for Luder, so there will be a lot of support for him from the party
  • Financier
    Financier Posts: 3,916
    The Labour Party could be extinct within a decade, one of Ed Miliband’s closest advisers has claimed.

    Jon Cruddas, Labour’s policy co-ordinator, said the 115-year old party could simply “disintegrate in real time”.

    The remarks are particularly noteworthy, given Mr Cruddas’ job description is often given as rebuilding the party in the wake of New Labour.

    During a debate about digital democracy, he was asked whether Labour might to the same way as social democratic parties in Greece and Spain which have been outflanked by radical anti-austerity movements such as Syriza and Podemos.

    Asked whether the Labour Party might "not exist" within ten years, Mr Cruddas, a reknowned free-thinker, replied: “Yes, yes.”

    “There is no safe ground for any orthodox parties and the stakes could be high potentially. They could just disintegrate in real time. And I include in that the party that I represent."

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11473827/
  • Bond_James_Bond
    Bond_James_Bond Posts: 1,939
    Financier said:

    The Labour Party could be extinct within a decade, one of Ed Miliband’s closest advisers has claimed.

    fingers crossed.

  • MikeK
    MikeK Posts: 9,053
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Good morning, everyone.

    Good news! The third episode of Zodiac Eclipse, my mini-series, is up here: http://www.kraxon.com/zodiac-eclipse-a-warm-welcome/

    Bookmarked it for later read. Never heard of Kraxon before; will peruse.
  • Purseybear
    Purseybear Posts: 766
    edited March 2015
    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    0/1 - will ICM follow Spurs and also let me down!

    OGH backed Farage against Bercow. Weight accordingly.

    rcs1000 said:

    Hmmm: would that be Ian Luder from Bedford, by any chance? Whose daughter was at school with OGH's daughter?

    Some reasons here to ignore M Smithsons tip then. Sorry Mr S'son but personal agenda doesn't go well with betting. Innocent question whether you and he are still friends and if so shouldn't you declare it if you're offering up a tip? Might look like your trying to boost his cred otherwise? Innocent q.

    To all the -ves below we need to add then that he's a flip flopper - Liberal Democract, Labour, UKIP.

    Its one thing to defect another to flipflop.

    So re. this market, I'm out.
  • TCPoliticalBetting
    TCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    ThomasNashe said:

    Meanwhile Shapps/ Green in further trouble:

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/15/grant-shapps-admits-he-had-second-job-as-millioniare-web-marketer-while-mp

    Yesterday evening on here it was predicted that the BBC would lead with this as it was in the in house favourite newspaper of BBC staff aka the Guardian.
    Lo and behold at 730am and 8am news on BBC R4 it was the lead story.....
  • TCPoliticalBetting
    TCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    MikeK said:

    The Mayoral infighting spreads:
    PoliticsHome ‏@politicshome 32m32 minutes ago
    Zac Goldsmith has been warned off mounting a late bid for London Mayor by a potential rival http://polho.me/1Fr81mW

    Just handbags?
  • Bond_James_Bond
    Bond_James_Bond Posts: 1,939
    This weekend's news that Nigel Farage, like his hero, is a monorchid, explains him completely. I haven't read the articles obvs but I'm assuming it wasn't tribute surgery, like the Wacko Jacko / Diana Ross stuff.
  • MikeSmithson
    MikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    isam said:

    This is a great bet, the price is madness

    As Mike says, Ukip were ahead before turnout weighting in the Ashcroft poll and what is equally noteworthy is Ukip won the seat at the euros by a bigger margin than they 'won' next door Thurrock where they are best price 4/6

    If you think Ukip have a decent chance in Thurrock, you have to be on this at 4/1, it really is a no brainer

    This seat also came out as one of Ukips most likely wins using my system of interpreting 2010 results... Untested as yet, but some decent value bets have come out of it

    Finally, despite some on here thinking Tim aker in Thurrock won't get much support from Ukip activists (?) , Ukip are a massive presence in Thurrock with full time activists having moved there from London and the North to work for Aker, and they are also campaigning for Luder, so there will be a lot of support for him from the party

    At GE2010 in this seat both UKIP and the BNP saved their deposits - a sign that there's a solid base of support. I was amazed overnight to discover the 4/1 price. I thought that the longest it would be was 7/4.



  • MikeK
    MikeK Posts: 9,053
    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    MikeK said:

    The Mayoral infighting spreads:
    PoliticsHome ‏@politicshome 32m32 minutes ago
    Zac Goldsmith has been warned off mounting a late bid for London Mayor by a potential rival http://polho.me/1Fr81mW

    Just handbags?
    Could be monocles at dawn.
  • isam
    isam Posts: 42,205
    edited March 2015
    Financier said:

    The piece by Trevor Phillips in advance of his TV programme is well worth a read.

    www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2996235/At-man-dares-tell-truth-race-Ex-race-tsar-says-silencing-debate-devastating-harm-Britain.html

    Thank God a non white person has said this, maybe someone will listen now. Well done Trevor Phillips... had he posted that anonymously on here he would have been smeared with all the lazy names under the sun
  • CarlottaVance
    CarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    So why were the Labour members so adamant, against all logic and objective argument, not to publish the report? Well consider this. The factual, numerical evidence (to be distinguished from opinion, anecdote, and conjecture) that the committee received demonstrated the following:

    1. Private provider involvement has actually slowed since 2005
    2. No extra charges or top-ups have taken place in the NHS since 2010 – and none whatsoever are forecast.
    3. Administration costs have fallen significantly since 2010
    4. There is no evidence that TTIP (Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership) threatens the NHS.

    A cynic might point out that these facts are all in direct conflict with Labour’s Armageddon narrative about the NHS – which, in the absence of any economic argument or sense anywhere else, they see as their one, single “weapon” as Ed Milliband referred to it, in the election.

    http://www.conservativehome.com/thecolumnists/2015/03/charlotte-leslie-mp-an-appeal-to-my-labour-colleagues-the-public-needs-to-see-this-nhs-report-so-lets-agree-it.html
  • nigel4england
    nigel4england Posts: 4,800
    Purseybear said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    0/1 - will ICM follow Spurs and also let me down!

    OGH backed Farage against Bercow. Weight accordingly.

    rcs1000 said:

    Hmmm: would that be Ian Luder from Bedford, by any chance? Whose daughter was at school with OGH's daughter?

    Some reasons here to ignore M Smithsons tip then. Sorry Mr S'son but personal agenda doesn't go well with betting. Innocent question whether you and he are still friends and if so shouldn't you declare it if you're offering up a tip? Might look like your trying to boost his cred otherwise? Innocent q.

    To all the -ves below we need to add then that he's a flip flopper - Liberal Democract, Labour, UKIP.

    Its one thing to defect another to flipflop.

    So re. this market, I'm out.
    Hmmmm, I'm not so sure, a little inside info on a prospective bet can be a good thing.

    I know that area too and with a good candidate I agree with Mike, this is a value bet
  • MikeK
    MikeK Posts: 9,053
    Iain Dale ‏@IainDale 7s7 seconds ago
    THE PURPLE REVOLUTION by @Nigel_Farage is still climbing the Amazon chart. Now at No 26! Can it make the top 10?! http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1849548633/ref=s9_simh_bw_p14_d0_i1?pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=merchandised-search-

    Looks like an autobiography that will reach the parts that others won't or can't. ;)
  • JackW
    JackW Posts: 14,787
    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Mr Luder has a similar haircut to OGH. Could be a brother?

    I think "haircut" might be a severe over exaggeration. :smile:

  • SMukesh
    SMukesh Posts: 1,759
    Roger said:

    SMukesh

    "It is not about him having a second job but about lying that he never did as an MP including in a radio interview done 3 weeks ago which is on Youtube."

    Isn't the difficulty that no one spends more of their time accusing the opposition of lying and as one of the figurheads of the election campaign won't his pit bull persona get tested to breaking point when every time he opens his mouth he's asked about his own terminiological inexactitudes?

    Perhaps.Perhaps not.When you have the Chairman of the Conservative party describing repeated untruths as semantics,it is with the understanding that they have the support of most of the press and the BBC has been cowed down enough not to raise difficulties
  • Peter_the_Punter
    Peter_the_Punter Posts: 14,779
    nigel4england said:

    Purseybear said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    0/1 - will ICM follow Spurs and also let me down!

    OGH backed Farage against Bercow. Weight accordingly.

    rcs1000 said:

    Hmmm: would that be Ian Luder from Bedford, by any chance? Whose daughter was at school with OGH's daughter?

    Some reasons here to ignore M Smithsons tip then. Sorry Mr S'son but personal agenda doesn't go well with betting. Innocent question whether you and he are still friends and if so shouldn't you declare it if you're offering up a tip? Might look like your trying to boost his cred otherwise? Innocent q.

    To all the -ves below we need to add then that he's a flip flopper - Liberal Democract, Labour, UKIP.

    Its one thing to defect another to flipflop.

    So re. this market, I'm out.
    Hmmmm, I'm not so sure, a little inside info on a prospective bet can be a good thing.

    I know that area too and with a good candidate I agree with Mike, this is a value bet
    It's certainly the right sort of area for a Kipper.

    If they have the right candidate, they ought to go close.
  • Sean_F
    Sean_F Posts: 39,132
    Purseybear said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    0/1 - will ICM follow Spurs and also let me down!

    OGH backed Farage against Bercow. Weight accordingly.

    rcs1000 said:

    Hmmm: would that be Ian Luder from Bedford, by any chance? Whose daughter was at school with OGH's daughter?

    Some reasons here to ignore M Smithsons tip then. Sorry Mr S'son but personal agenda doesn't go well with betting. Innocent question whether you and he are still friends and if so shouldn't you declare it if you're offering up a tip? Might look like your trying to boost his cred otherwise? Innocent q.

    To all the -ves below we need to add then that he's a flip flopper - Liberal Democract, Labour, UKIP.

    Its one thing to defect another to flipflop.

    So re. this market, I'm out.
    "flip-flopping" doesn't affect his chances.

    Agree that 4/1 is a crazy price.
  • Bond_James_Bond
    Bond_James_Bond Posts: 1,939
    isam said:

    Financier said:

    The piece by Trevor Phillips in advance of his TV programme is well worth a read.

    www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2996235/At-man-dares-tell-truth-race-Ex-race-tsar-says-silencing-debate-devastating-harm-Britain.html

    Thank God a non white person has said this, maybe someone will listen now. Well done Trevor Phillips... had he posted that anonymously on here he would have been smeared with all the lazy names under the sun
    This bit was hilarious

    he dropped his ambitions for a political career and became head of the Commission for Racial Equality

    PMSL!!
  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 7
    nigel4england said:

    Purseybear said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    0/1 - will ICM follow Spurs and also let me down!

    OGH backed Farage against Bercow. Weight accordingly.

    rcs1000 said:

    Hmmm: would that be Ian Luder from Bedford, by any chance? Whose daughter was at school with OGH's daughter?

    Some reasons here to ignore M Smithsons tip then. Sorry Mr S'son but personal agenda doesn't go well with betting. Innocent question whether you and he are still friends and if so shouldn't you declare it if you're offering up a tip? Might look like your trying to boost his cred otherwise? Innocent q.

    To all the -ves below we need to add then that he's a flip flopper - Liberal Democract, Labour, UKIP.

    Its one thing to defect another to flipflop.

    So re. this market, I'm out.
    Hmmmm, I'm not so sure, a little inside info on a prospective bet can be a good thing.

    I know that area too and with a good candidate I agree with Mike, this is a value bet
    Guessing from your login that you're a ukip supporter?

    Adjust accordingly.
  • NickPalmer
    NickPalmer Posts: 21,724
    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    ThomasNashe said:

    Meanwhile Shapps/ Green in further trouble:

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/15/grant-shapps-admits-he-had-second-job-as-millioniare-web-marketer-while-mp

    Yesterday evening on here it was predicted that the BBC would lead with this as it was in the in house favourite newspaper of BBC staff aka the Guardian.
    Lo and behold at 730am and 8am news on BBC R4 it was the lead story.....
    A party chairman accused of lying about his activity while an MP seems a fairly substantial story, don't you think? It's the Times Red Box second lead as well, and the press don't usually like highlighting each others' stories.

  • isam
    isam Posts: 42,205
    edited March 2015
    MikeSmithson said:

    isam said:

    This is a great bet, the price is madness

    As Mike says, Ukip were ahead before turnout weighting in the Ashcroft poll and what is equally noteworthy is Ukip won the seat at the euros by a bigger margin than they 'won' next door Thurrock where they are best price 4/6

    If you think Ukip have a decent chance in Thurrock, you have to be on this at 4/1, it really is a no brainer

    This seat also came out as one of Ukips most likely wins using my system of interpreting 2010 results... Untested as yet, but some decent value bets have come out of it

    Finally, despite some on here thinking Tim aker in Thurrock won't get much support from Ukip activists (?) , Ukip are a massive presence in Thurrock with full time activists having moved there from London and the North to work for Aker, and they are also campaigning for Luder, so there will be a lot of support for him from the party

    At GE2010 in this seat both UKIP and the BNP saved their deposits - a sign that there's a solid base of support. I was amazed overnight to discover the 4/1 price. I thought that the longest it would be was 7/4.



    Yes the Ukip/BNP vote share from 2010 is a significant factor for me when looking at possible Ukip bets, and this fits the bill... It is a great bet, I actually think Ukip should be favourites here...

    Thurrock 4/6 maybe too short in some peoples opinion, but both seats should be the same price.

    The constituency boundary is at the end of my (very long) road so I know the area. Like many other Essex seats it is perfect kipper territory
  • logical_song
    logical_song Posts: 10,082
    Peter_the_Punter said:

    nigel4england said:

    Purseybear said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    0/1 - will ICM follow Spurs and also let me down!

    OGH backed Farage against Bercow. Weight accordingly.

    rcs1000 said:

    Hmmm: would that be Ian Luder from Bedford, by any chance? Whose daughter was at school with OGH's daughter?

    Some reasons here to ignore M Smithsons tip then. Sorry Mr S'son but personal agenda doesn't go well with betting. Innocent question whether you and he are still friends and if so shouldn't you declare it if you're offering up a tip? Might look like your trying to boost his cred otherwise? Innocent q.

    To all the -ves below we need to add then that he's a flip flopper - Liberal Democract, Labour, UKIP.

    Its one thing to defect another to flipflop.

    So re. this market, I'm out.
    Hmmmm, I'm not so sure, a little inside info on a prospective bet can be a good thing.

    I know that area too and with a good candidate I agree with Mike, this is a value bet
    It's certainly the right sort of area for a Kipper.

    If they have the right candidate, they ought to go close.
    They have tried enough candidates. This one looks more normal than most.
  • SMukesh
    SMukesh Posts: 1,759
    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    ThomasNashe said:

    Meanwhile Shapps/ Green in further trouble:

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/15/grant-shapps-admits-he-had-second-job-as-millioniare-web-marketer-while-mp

    Yesterday evening on here it was predicted that the BBC would lead with this as it was in the in house favourite newspaper of BBC staff aka the Guardian.
    Lo and behold at 730am and 8am news on BBC R4 it was the lead story.....
    so the national broadcaster should n't raise the issue of repetitive lies from a leading light in the ruling party.you Tories deserve to lose power for this humongous right to entitlement alone
  • TCPoliticalBetting
    TCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    Betting post.
    Things are so bad for the LDs that they get very little publicity even when there are major splits with a Farron faction lining up against Clegg and the "old guard"*.
    http://www.libdemvoice.org/tim-farron-and-trying-too-hard-45025.html

    The problem may have been that it was an article in the Mail and not the Guardian/Observer so the BBC are not running on it today.....

    *Shirley Williams was also underwhelming in her support for Farron in a recent interview. Although he is the Foreign spokesperson for the LDs, Shirl said he "he's not a foreign policy man".
  • logical_song
    logical_song Posts: 10,082
    SMukesh said:

    Roger said:

    SMukesh

    "It is not about him having a second job but about lying that he never did as an MP including in a radio interview done 3 weeks ago which is on Youtube."

    Isn't the difficulty that no one spends more of their time accusing the opposition of lying and as one of the figurheads of the election campaign won't his pit bull persona get tested to breaking point when every time he opens his mouth he's asked about his own terminiological inexactitudes?

    Perhaps.Perhaps not.When you have the Chairman of the Conservative party describing repeated untruths as semantics,it is with the understanding that they have the support of most of the press and the BBC has been cowed down enough not to raise difficulties
    Did he lie to the House of Commons? If so, isn't that a resigning matter. Apparently you could even be imprisoned under an old law:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2176841/Lying-misleading-Parliament-criminal-offence.html
  • Peter_the_Punter
    Peter_the_Punter Posts: 14,779
    logical_song said:

    Peter_the_Punter said:

    nigel4england said:

    Purseybear said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    0/1 - will ICM follow Spurs and also let me down!

    OGH backed Farage against Bercow. Weight accordingly.

    rcs1000 said:

    Hmmm: would that be Ian Luder from Bedford, by any chance? Whose daughter was at school with OGH's daughter?

    Some reasons here to ignore M Smithsons tip then. Sorry Mr S'son but personal agenda doesn't go well with betting. Innocent question whether you and he are still friends and if so shouldn't you declare it if you're offering up a tip? Might look like your trying to boost his cred otherwise? Innocent q.

    To all the -ves below we need to add then that he's a flip flopper - Liberal Democract, Labour, UKIP.

    Its one thing to defect another to flipflop.

    So re. this market, I'm out.
    Hmmmm, I'm not so sure, a little inside info on a prospective bet can be a good thing.

    I know that area too and with a good candidate I agree with Mike, this is a value bet
    It's certainly the right sort of area for a Kipper.

    If they have the right candidate, they ought to go close.
    They have tried enough candidates. This one looks more normal than most.
    If it weren't for the Kerry Smith thing I'd say they should be a good deal less than 4/1.

    Even so, a decent value bet. OGH's recommendations usually are.
  • richardDodd
    richardDodd Posts: 5,472
    The biggest lie of recent years and made in the HOC was Blairs when he said he had seen incontrovertible evidence of WMD...He hadn't...and a lot of people paid for his lie with their lives.
  • Flightpath
    Flightpath Posts: 4,012
    isam said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    isam said:

    This is a great bet, the price is madness

    As Mike says, Ukip were ahead before turnout weighting in the Ashcroft poll and what is equally noteworthy is Ukip won the seat at the euros by a bigger margin than they 'won' next door Thurrock where they are best price 4/6

    If you think Ukip have a decent chance in Thurrock, you have to be on this at 4/1, it really is a no brainer

    This seat also came out as one of Ukips most likely wins using my system of interpreting 2010 results... Untested as yet, but some decent value bets have come out of it

    Finally, despite some on here thinking Tim aker in Thurrock won't get much support from Ukip activists (?) , Ukip are a massive presence in Thurrock with full time activists having moved there from London and the North to work for Aker, and they are also campaigning for Luder, so there will be a lot of support for him from the party

    At GE2010 in this seat both UKIP and the BNP saved their deposits - a sign that there's a solid base of support. I was amazed overnight to discover the 4/1 price. I thought that the longest it would be was 7/4.



    Yes the Ukip/BNP vote share from 2010 is a significant factor for me when looking at possible Ukip bets, and this fits the bill... It is a great bet, I actually think Ukip should be favourites here...

    Thurrock 4/6 maybe too short in some peoples opinion, but both seats should be the same price.

    The constituency boundary is at the end of my (very long) road so I know the area. Like many other Essex seats it is perfect kipper territory
    ''the BNP saved their deposits - a sign that there's a ''... what!? Nothing like a good old fashioned euphemism. Shame it comes from the host.
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,457
    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    ThomasNashe said:

    Meanwhile Shapps/ Green in further trouble:

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/15/grant-shapps-admits-he-had-second-job-as-millioniare-web-marketer-while-mp

    Yesterday evening on here it was predicted that the BBC would lead with this as it was in the in house favourite newspaper of BBC staff aka the Guardian.
    Lo and behold at 730am and 8am news on BBC R4 it was the lead story.....
    The Beeb doing their chums in Labour as many favours as they can before the law imposes a veneer of impartiality.... Expect a couple more weeks of the same.
  • CarlottaVance
    CarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    New Statesman:

    Labour must do a deal with the SNP
    A more social democratic Britain can be achieved, and Scottish Labour's recovery set in train, if a deal is done between Labour and the SNP.

    http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/03/labour-must-do-deal-snp
  • TCPoliticalBetting
    TCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    NickPalmer said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    ThomasNashe said:

    Meanwhile Shapps/ Green in further trouble:

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/15/grant-shapps-admits-he-had-second-job-as-millioniare-web-marketer-while-mp

    Yesterday evening on here it was predicted that the BBC would lead with this as it was in the in house favourite newspaper of BBC staff aka the Guardian.
    Lo and behold at 730am and 8am news on BBC R4 it was the lead story.....
    A party chairman accused of lying about his activity while an MP seems a fairly substantial story, don't you think? It's the Times Red Box second lead as well, and the press don't usually like highlighting each others' stories.
    How about Nick talking about issues that are really harming people? The scandal of child abuse today in primarily Labour run councils? The scum perpetrating it and the filth covering it up? How come your party has failed to clean out its own stables in this area and has to rely on Pickles removing control from Labour councillors because they can no longer be trusted to safeguard kids? What about all those Labour MPs who amazingly knew nothing about the child abuse engulfing their local Labour run councils..... One writes a book about it and is attacked by some in his party.

  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Schapps may or may not have screwed up.

    But for the Guardian/BBC axis to ink this onto their election grid in advance and then bring this out of the drawer is tiresome when next up they will be whining about negative campaigning - its a fair enough attack but don't pretend you aren't the Mail for lefties.
  • Flightpath
    Flightpath Posts: 4,012
    isam said:

    Financier said:

    The piece by Trevor Phillips in advance of his TV programme is well worth a read.

    www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2996235/At-man-dares-tell-truth-race-Ex-race-tsar-says-silencing-debate-devastating-harm-Britain.html

    Thank God a non white person has said this, maybe someone will listen now. Well done Trevor Phillips... had he posted that anonymously on here he would have been smeared with all the lazy names under the sun
    He is saying nothing new.
    ''Today, I am sending an unequivocal message that professionals who fail to protect children will be held properly accountable and council bosses who preside over such catastrophic failure will not see rewards for that failure.
    Offenders must no longer be able to use the system to hide their despicable activities ... It is about making sure that the professionals we charge with protecting our children – the council staff, police officer and social workers – do the jobs they are paid to do.'' (Cameron)

    But then again you regularly smear Cameron with lazy names.
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    TGOHF said:

    Schapps may or may not have screwed up.

    But for the Guardian/BBC axis to ink this onto their election grid in advance and then bring this out of the drawer is tiresome when next up they will be whining about negative campaigning - its a fair enough attack but don't pretend you aren't the Mail for lefties.

    Sarah Champion poppy wreath story top of the "Most read".
  • TCPoliticalBetting
    TCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    richardDodd said:

    The biggest lie of recent years and made in the HOC was Blairs when he said he had seen incontrovertible evidence of WMD...He hadn't...and a lot of people paid for his lie with their lives.

    You would think that people with real principles would want Blair impeached over it. The massive loss of life, limbs and billions of £ wasted. Built on lies. But instead we have Nick on here upset over an MP making a mistake as to what they did 9 - 10 years ago in running a business....
  • RochdalePioneers
    RochdalePioneers Posts: 30,611
    Surely all that's needed in the multiple ID scandal is for Sebastian Fox to issue a statement vehemently denying the disgusting rumours that he is moonlighting as Chairman of the Conservative Party?
  • Ishmael_X
    Ishmael_X Posts: 3,664
    Bond_James_Bond said:

    This weekend's news that Nigel Farage, like his hero, is a monorchid, explains him completely. I haven't read the articles obvs but I'm assuming it wasn't tribute surgery, like the Wacko Jacko / Diana Ross stuff.

    Is it National Let's all laugh at cancer victims day? Or the ill and/or disabled more generally?
  • CarlottaVance
    CarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    NickPalmer said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    ThomasNashe said:

    Meanwhile Shapps/ Green in further trouble:

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/15/grant-shapps-admits-he-had-second-job-as-millioniare-web-marketer-while-mp

    Yesterday evening on here it was predicted that the BBC would lead with this as it was in the in house favourite newspaper of BBC staff aka the Guardian.
    Lo and behold at 730am and 8am news on BBC R4 it was the lead story.....
    A party chairman accused of lying about his activity while an MP seems a fairly substantial story, don't you think? It's the Times Red Box second lead as well, and the press don't usually like highlighting each others' stories.
    How about Nick talking about issues that are really harming people?

    Or the Labour members of the Health Select Committee attempting to block publication of a report because the evidence they have gathered contradicts their attack lines on a Weaponised NHS?
  • RochdalePioneers
    RochdalePioneers Posts: 30,611
    And Basildon for UKIP. Have got family there - would be astonished if UKIP didn't win
  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Pulpstar said:

    TGOHF said:

    Schapps may or may not have screwed up.

    But for the Guardian/BBC axis to ink this onto their election grid in advance and then bring this out of the drawer is tiresome when next up they will be whining about negative campaigning - its a fair enough attack but don't pretend you aren't the Mail for lefties.

    Sarah Champion poppy wreath story top of the "Most read".
    On the Guardian website ?
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