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No, they are not just numbers. Every one is a human being saved from despair, depression and, very probably, bad health.Smarmeron said:@Richard_Nabavi
The thing is, I do care.
Jobs aren't just numbers to be waved about to cover the stink of a society that is rotting.
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A rational libertarian viewpoint would be that the prospect of a proper libertarian tradition being established in the Corporatist United Kingdom is very unlikely, as such Independence offers a better possibility of this outcome.hunchman said:
You're right that Scotland would have to get its financial house in order post independence. I've never denied that, but that's a big reason for me to support independence. As a right of centre voter, it would force Scotland in a rightwards direction. This crackpot idea that everything would remain the same in Scotland with the dominance of the left is utter nonsense. Everything moves over time, and a more rightward leaning Scotland on an even financial keel would be an exciting place to be once they've got themselves sorted out after the inevitable immediate shakeup of independence.Scott_P said:
Not at all.hunchman said:It amazes me how people in the Unionist camp simply don't get it and particularly the Tories. The appeal of Scottish independence is an EMOTIONAL appeal, it's not based on micro analysis of oil price $100 independence more likely, oil price $50 independence less likely as they believe.
I know the appeal is emotional. I know the numbers don't add up, they never did, but...
...when the numbers were more favourable, the Nats were all over this forum chanting GERS, GERS, GERS.
Now that the GERS numbers have moved, not necessarily to their advantage, they are conspicuous by their absence. That's all
No guarantees, no certainties but as a Game, for a libertarian, Independence offers the best outcome.0 -
Ed had the chance to put Balls as Shadow Chancellor when he became leader. Instead he chose Westminster's answer to Ken Dodd. If thats not contempt I do not know what is.Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, it was a very interesting article. Of course, Balls has scarcely bothered to hide his contempt for Ed M for the last couple of years, but that looked very much as though he's on manoeuvres. It might be as much trying to protect his position as Chancellor if Labour do get to form the next government, or it might be more than that.DavidL said:There were more than a few hints of what Balls thought in that New Statesman interview. The comment about just going for a walk not meeting people, for example.
He is struggling to contain himself I feel.0 -
I think this is very true. I think it more than ever it resonants outside of your old school SWP / trot lot these days, even your Thatcher voting "strivers" are pretty pissed off with the feeling of unfairness and increasing corruption / un-accountability.another_richard said:If EdM had any connection with reality he would go big on 'fairness'.
The ideas that wealth is increasingly concentrated among the 1% whilst the same fatcats are immune from the law are very aggravating to the C1C2 group (plus many others).
Instead we get increasingly idiotic ideas of micro-managing meddling madness.
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If the Tories win any one of Perth, Angus or Banff and Buchan then I'll eat a straw hat. All 3 are as safe as houses for the SNP. Berwickshire is an interesting one and probably the most likely in my opinion. SNP to come through from 3rd in both Aberdeenshire W and Kincardine, and Dumfries and Galloway in my opinion right now. Best case scenario for the Tories is 2 seats with Mundell hanging on, but you've got to doubt that after the Ashcroft poll in DCT.Flightpath said:
When you think that 20% only got the SNP 6 seats last time and 19% got the LDs 11 then anything could happen.Alistair said:The Tory Surge (TM) Would give them 6 seats under SMAPS
Dumfries & Galloway
Berwickshire Roxburgh & Selkirk
Dumfriesshire Clydesdale & Tweeddale
Perth & North Perthshire
Angus
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Banff & Buchan
I can't help thinking that a lot of Scottish voters and quite a few English ones might find their heads exploding as they approach the polling station.0 -
Libertarian Scotland ? You can't even sing a song about sky fairies at the football without getting locked up and I read that the Scottish police were today spending their time investigating a whether a tweet that suggested Jar Jar Binks from Star Wars might have been homosexual was offensive or not. Now that's libertarian.Dair said:
A rational libertarian viewpoint would be that the prospect of a proper libertarian tradition being established in the Corporatist United Kingdom is very unlikely, as such Independence offers a better possibility of this outcome.hunchman said:
You're right that Scotland would have to get its financial house in order post independence. I've never denied that, but that's a big reason for me to support independence. As a right of centre voter, it would force Scotland in a rightwards direction. This crackpot idea that everything would remain the same in Scotland with the dominance of the left is utter nonsense. Everything moves over time, and a more rightward leaning Scotland on an even financial keel would be an exciting place to be once they've got themselves sorted out after the inevitable immediate shakeup of independence.Scott_P said:
Not at all.hunchman said:It amazes me how people in the Unionist camp simply don't get it and particularly the Tories. The appeal of Scottish independence is an EMOTIONAL appeal, it's not based on micro analysis of oil price $100 independence more likely, oil price $50 independence less likely as they believe.
I know the appeal is emotional. I know the numbers don't add up, they never did, but...
...when the numbers were more favourable, the Nats were all over this forum chanting GERS, GERS, GERS.
Now that the GERS numbers have moved, not necessarily to their advantage, they are conspicuous by their absence. That's all
No guarantees, no certainties but as a Game, for a libertarian, Independence offers the best outcome.0 -
I've never heard of that cycle before, can you give some details.hunchman said:
And there is a recognised cycle of 309 years alternating back and forth between Union and Independence in Scotland. Now do some maths - what does 1707 and 309 give you? On the cycle model its time for independence.Scott_P said:
The SNPers have been awfy quiet on the GERS numbers...Garethofthevale said:The current price of oil will scupper another vote any time soon.
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Absolutely. You've made my point perfectly Dair, and much more succintly than me!Dair said:
A rational libertarian viewpoint would be that the prospect of a proper libertarian tradition being established in the Corporatist United Kingdom is very unlikely, as such Independence offers a better possibility of this outcome.hunchman said:
You're right that Scotland would have to get its financial house in order post independence. I've never denied that, but that's a big reason for me to support independence. As a right of centre voter, it would force Scotland in a rightwards direction. This crackpot idea that everything would remain the same in Scotland with the dominance of the left is utter nonsense. Everything moves over time, and a more rightward leaning Scotland on an even financial keel would be an exciting place to be once they've got themselves sorted out after the inevitable immediate shakeup of independence.Scott_P said:
Not at all.hunchman said:It amazes me how people in the Unionist camp simply don't get it and particularly the Tories. The appeal of Scottish independence is an EMOTIONAL appeal, it's not based on micro analysis of oil price $100 independence more likely, oil price $50 independence less likely as they believe.
I know the appeal is emotional. I know the numbers don't add up, they never did, but...
...when the numbers were more favourable, the Nats were all over this forum chanting GERS, GERS, GERS.
Now that the GERS numbers have moved, not necessarily to their advantage, they are conspicuous by their absence. That's all
No guarantees, no certainties but as a Game, for a libertarian, Independence offers the best outcome.0 -
Ed is the 1%.another_richard said:If EdM had any connection with reality he would go big on 'fairness'.
The ideas that wealth is increasingly concentrated among the 1%
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@Richard_Nabavi
And freed from poverty as well?
You couldn't give a damn Richard, as long as your nest gets more feathering, because you and your friends believe in the simple principle that you are not paid enough, and those "below" you are paid far to much.0 -
I bet less than 1% of voters have 2 kitchens.chestnut said:
Ed is the 1%.another_richard said:If EdM had any connection with reality he would go big on 'fairness'.
The ideas that wealth is increasingly concentrated among the 1%0 -
The answer to your question is - he doesn't care. When confronted by the truth invent a lie is the easiest answer.Richard_Nabavi said:
Those at the bottom will, I am afraid, get a hell of a lot bigger kicking under Ed Miliband than under a Conservative-led government. You probably haven't noticed that we have generated more jobs than every single other country in the EU combined. Or maybe you don't care?Smarmeron said:@Richard_Nabavi
At least we know what Dave is offering. More "cast iron guarantees" and to give those at the bottom another good kicking.0 -
You illustrate why Labour will lose. You think that centre right voters are all evil baby eaters - Blair didn't that's why he won.Smarmeron said:@Richard_Nabavi
And freed from poverty as well?
You couldn't give a damn Richard, as long as your nest gets more feathering, because you and your friends believe in the simple principle that you are not paid enough, and those "below" you are paid far to much.0 -
Martin Armstong had an article on it at the time of Scottish independence vote on www.armstrongeconomics.com - although an American, his family traces back to Scotland and he was in the pro-independence camp last September. I think partly because the cycle is very much running with the grain of independence right now.another_richard said:
I've never heard of that cycle before, can you give some details.hunchman said:
And there is a recognised cycle of 309 years alternating back and forth between Union and Independence in Scotland. Now do some maths - what does 1707 and 309 give you? On the cycle model its time for independence.Scott_P said:
The SNPers have been awfy quiet on the GERS numbers...Garethofthevale said:The current price of oil will scupper another vote any time soon.
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He's one of the .1%chestnut said:
Ed is the 1%.another_richard said:If EdM had any connection with reality he would go big on 'fairness'.
The ideas that wealth is increasingly concentrated among the 1%0 -
For some people, it is an emotional issue, but for others practical issues are also important. Concerns about the currency were one of the factors that led to 'No' coming out on top. In the last referendum, the SNP was able to talk about maintaining current budgets and bringing in a sovereign wealth fund. If a referendum was on the cards now, then the low oil price would mean that an independent Scotland would have to make cuts off the bat.hunchman said:
It amazes me how people in the Unionist camp simply don't get it and particularly the Tories. The appeal of Scottish independence is an EMOTIONAL appeal, it's not based on micro analysis of oil price $100 independence more likely, oil price $50 independence less likely as they believe. And there is a recognised cycle of 309 years alternating back and forth between Union and Independence in Scotland. Now do some maths - what does 1707 and 309 give you? On the cycle model its time for independence. And turn down the global economy after the end of September this year, and you have the perfect recipe for Scotland finally being granted its wish of independence. Its coming and its only a matter of time whatever the diehard unionists on here think. Bring it on - Scotland can do very well on its own thank you very much!Scott_P said:
The SNPers have been awfy quiet on the GERS numbers...Garethofthevale said:The current price of oil will scupper another vote any time soon.
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Ah, a true lefty. Having lost the argument, you have to resort to attacking my personal integrity.Smarmeron said:@Richard_Nabavi
And freed from poverty as well?
You couldn't give a damn Richard, as long as your nest gets more feathering, because you and your friends believe in the simple principle that you are not paid enough, and those "below" you are paid far to much.
It's so reassuring to have confirmation of how utterly rooted in vile prejudice the anti-Conservative vote is.
As a matter of interest, how much do you think I am paid, compared with (say) Mr or Mrs Miliband? And who do you think pays me?0 -
I'm not sure if you are deliberately missing my point.TGOHF said:
Libertarian Scotland ? You can't even sing a song about sky fairies at the football without getting locked up and I read that the Scottish police were today spending their time investigating a whether a tweet that suggested Jar Jar Binks from Star Wars might have been homosexual was offensive or not. Now that's libertarian.Dair said:
A rational libertarian viewpoint would be that the prospect of a proper libertarian tradition being established in the Corporatist United Kingdom is very unlikely, as such Independence offers a better possibility of this outcome.hunchman said:
You're right that Scotland would have to get its financial house in order post independence. I've never denied that, but that's a big reason for me to support independence. As a right of centre voter, it would force Scotland in a rightwards direction. This crackpot idea that everything would remain the same in Scotland with the dominance of the left is utter nonsense. Everything moves over time, and a more rightward leaning Scotland on an even financial keel would be an exciting place to be once they've got themselves sorted out after the inevitable immediate shakeup of independence.Scott_P said:
Not at all.hunchman said:It amazes me how people in the Unionist camp simply don't get it and particularly the Tories. The appeal of Scottish independence is an EMOTIONAL appeal, it's not based on micro analysis of oil price $100 independence more likely, oil price $50 independence less likely as they believe.
I know the appeal is emotional. I know the numbers don't add up, they never did, but...
...when the numbers were more favourable, the Nats were all over this forum chanting GERS, GERS, GERS.
Now that the GERS numbers have moved, not necessarily to their advantage, they are conspicuous by their absence. That's all
No guarantees, no certainties but as a Game, for a libertarian, Independence offers the best outcome.
I'll try again. In the United Kingdom where there is an entrenched Corporatist culture in politics and society, which is unerodable and virtually impossible to remove, the chance of a libertarian future is nil.
Therefore, if you are in Scotland and seek a libertarian future, there is a far higher probability of achieving that outcome through Independence.
Some chance is better than no chance.0 -
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This "Scotland is intrinsically better just because right " argument is baffling..Dair said:
I'm not sure if you are deliberately missing my point.TGOHF said:
Libertarian Scotland ? You can't even sing a song about sky fairies at the football without getting locked up and I read that the Scottish police were today spending their time investigating a whether a tweet that suggested Jar Jar Binks from Star Wars might have been homosexual was offensive or not. Now that's libertarian.Dair said:
A rational libertarian viewpoint would be that the prospect of a proper libertarian tradition being established in the Corporatist United Kingdom is very unlikely, as such Independence offers a better possibility of this outcome.hunchman said:
You're right that Scotland would have to get its financial house in order post independence. I've never denied that, but that's a big reason for me to support independence. As a right of centre voter, it would force Scotland in a rightwards direction. This crackpot idea that everything would remain the same in Scotland with the dominance of the left is utter nonsense. Everything moves over time, and a more rightward leaning Scotland on an even financial keel would be an exciting place to be once they've got themselves sorted out after the inevitable immediate shakeup of independence.Scott_P said:
Not at all.hunchman said:It amazes me how people in the Unionist camp simply don't get it and particularly the Tories. The appeal of Scottish independence is an EMOTIONAL appeal, it's not based on micro analysis of oil price $100 independence more likely, oil price $50 independence less likely as they believe.
I know the appeal is emotional. I know the numbers don't add up, they never did, but...
...when the numbers were more favourable, the Nats were all over this forum chanting GERS, GERS, GERS.
Now that the GERS numbers have moved, not necessarily to their advantage, they are conspicuous by their absence. That's all
No guarantees, no certainties but as a Game, for a libertarian, Independence offers the best outcome.
I'll try again. In the United Kingdom where there is an entrenched Corporatist culture in politics and society, which is unerodable and virtually impossible to remove, the chance of a libertarian future is nil.
Therefore, if you are in Scotland and seek a libertarian future, there is a far higher probability of achieving that outcome through Independence.
Some chance is better than no chance.0 -
Good night all - by my reckoning 1,343 hours until the results will start to come in. I can't wait, lets just get what will be a wretched campaign and those hours out of the way before we can have much merryment and fun at the completely deserved demise of SLAB!!!!!!0
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Will Self, Shirley Williams and Chuka Umuna next week.
Sweet Jesus.0 -
That's not my point.TGOHF said:
This "Scotland is intrinsically better just because right " argument is baffling..Dair said:
I'm not sure if you are deliberately missing my point.
I'll try again. In the United Kingdom where there is an entrenched Corporatist culture in politics and society, which is unerodable and virtually impossible to remove, the chance of a libertarian future is nil.
Therefore, if you are in Scotland and seek a libertarian future, there is a far higher probability of achieving that outcome through Independence.
Some chance is better than no chance.
Scotland may well end up with the same Corporatist culture that currently exists in the United Kingdom. But it is by no means CERTAIN to do. The UK will certainly have a Corporatist culture in 50 years.
There is no guarantee for an Independent Scotland.
There is no divine right of being better.
There is, however, an opportunity which the United Kingdom does not offer.0 -
But wait, there's more...Pulpstar said:Will Self, Shirley Williams and Chuka Umuna next week.
Sweet Jesus.
@KirstieMAllsopp: Yes, next week for the 5th time in 9 years I am sticking my head in the mouth of the lion that is @bbcquestiontime #StillTerrifying0 -
Redressing the balance due to right wing bias this week?Pulpstar said:Will Self, Shirley Williams and Chuka Umuna next week.
Sweet Jesus.0 -
And the US Government blew up the World Trade Centre too. Personally I'm convinced you're a hologram.hunchman said:Interesting Channel 5 1 hour program on Savile at 8pm tonight. They kept their cards pretty close to their chest on most stuff, but they did have one of many photos of Prince Charles with Savile which I thought was very interesting. They stopped short of examining the links between Savile and the Royal Family, but the insinuation was clearly there - probably edited about as close to the wire as they dared to get - gradually the great contours of this crisis are slowly lapping more and more closely to the people at the very very top.
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As long as it wasn't a working class baby - it would be stringy and riddled with AIDS and heroin.Smarmeron said:@TGOHF
I am not referring to "centre right" voters, I am referring to those like you, who would only eat babies if it was served in a flash restaurant at an outrageous price so you could boast about it at your next dinner party.0 -
I'm not making that argument.Scott_P said:
It's just Nationalism. Tribalism on a grand scale. We're better than them, whoever they are. Our club is better than your club.TGOHF said:This "Scotland is intrinsically better just because right " argument is baffling..
Slightly tragic how many people fall for it
There is no reason to believe that people in Scotland or England are better in any way than each other. None at all.
There is, however, in the United Kingdom and entrenched Corporatist system which is never likely to change. Independence offers the chance to leave it behind.0 -
What, Anna Soubry :P ?FrancisUrquhart said:
Redressing the balance due to right wing bias this week?Pulpstar said:Will Self, Shirley Williams and Chuka Umuna next week.
Sweet Jesus.0 -
Indeed.chestnut said:
Ed is the 1%.another_richard said:If EdM had any connection with reality he would go big on 'fairness'.
The ideas that wealth is increasingly concentrated among the 1%
But whereas some of the 1% do have genuine empathy with those less privileged EdM doesn't.
That's why EdM so often rings a 'false note'.
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Shetland would have a better chance of that if not saddled with the entrenched public sector system of the central belt by your logic.Dair said:
I'm not making that argument.Scott_P said:
It's just Nationalism. Tribalism on a grand scale. We're better than them, whoever they are. Our club is better than your club.TGOHF said:This "Scotland is intrinsically better just because right " argument is baffling..
Slightly tragic how many people fall for it
There is no reason to believe that people in Scotland or England are better in any way than each other. None at all.
There is, however, in the United Kingdom and entrenched Corporatist system which is never likely to change. Independence offers the chance to leave it behind.0 -
What's all this about two kitchens ?
Does EdM or someone else have two kitchens ?
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See PR has its advantages. Your vote is not wasted !hunchman said:
I'm glad I'm free of any party label, but quite what I'm going to do in 8 weeks time I've got no idea. I simply can't vote Conservative - the disgraceful goings on with the child abuse inquiry, and appointing someone who was a close friend of Leon Brittan was simply the final straw for me. And after Farage's comments today on removing much of the anti-discrimination laws I simply can't vote UKIP. UKIP started out as a pretty libertarian party but have become more and more authoritarian as time has gone on like the establishment parties. Who the heck does a Libertarian vote for if its only the main 5 parties in England standing in a seat at this election? It would be highly regrettable if I have to spoil my ballot paper if no Libertarian leaning candidate stands in Romsey, but I may be forced to do it - I hope not!TGOHF said:
Don't tell me - "it's a good election to lose"hunchman said:
Ed Balls gives every sign that he realises that the global economy turns down after the end of September, like he foresaw 2008 after pushing for the election that never was in the autumn of 2007. Its our version of the 1928 US presidential election.DavidL said:
Every time I get depressed about the Tories not making sufficient progress in the polls he comes up with something even more bizarre and just plain stupid. I am seriously beginning to wonder if he really wants to win.Richard_Nabavi said:
What a wimp. A Real Man would promise a law to cut energy bills by at least 20%, and rents by 50%, and iPhones by 60%, and trainers by 80%, and child-care by 90%.Scott_P said:@politicshome: Tomorrow's Independent: 'Miliband promises law to cut energy bills by up to 10 per cent' http://t.co/iwivMhm1Wg http://t.co/XoCR91Lw6P
Like 2010 - but that didn't do Labour any good - if anything they have gone backwards.0 -
@GdnPolitics: Kitchen sink drama for Miliband as homely photo backfires http://t.co/j7bXCj7sLlanother_richard said:What's all this about two kitchens ?
Does EdM or someone else have two kitchens ?0 -
How was Eds programme on BBC3 earlier? I missed it.another_richard said:
Indeed.chestnut said:
Ed is the 1%.another_richard said:If EdM had any connection with reality he would go big on 'fairness'.
The ideas that wealth is increasingly concentrated among the 1%
But whereas some of the 1% do have genuine empathy with those less privileged EdM doesn't.
That's why EdM so often rings a 'false note'.0 -
0.001% comes within "up to". Here's your farthing; the rest is an aspiration....Scott_P said:Oh, FFS...
It's a FREEZE, No I mean CAP, no hang on CUT!!!!
@politicshome: Tomorrow's Independent: 'Miliband promises law to cut energy bills by up to 10 per cent' http://t.co/iwivMhm1Wg http://t.co/XoCR91Lw6P
I'm beginning to think that, really, Ed is actually that dumb. Those close to him say he is a bright, personable guy. If so, his minders have done a fabulous job of shielding us all from it.
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Eds human shield week featured a picture of him in a small kitchen to look more like a man of the people.another_richard said:What's all this about two kitchens ?
Does EdM or someone else have two kitchens ?
Turns out it is just one of the kitchens in Chateaux Miliband- Thornton.0 -
EdM thinks the answer to everything that doesn't go his way is to make a law. debates - change the law, energy freeze fail - change the law, next he will make it illegal to vote toryanother_richard said:
EdM promises to cut Roman Abramovich's energy bills by 10%.Scott_P said:Oh, FFS...
It's a FREEZE, No I mean CAP, no hang on CUT!!!!
@politicshome: Tomorrow's Independent: 'Miliband promises law to cut energy bills by up to 10 per cent' http://t.co/iwivMhm1Wg http://t.co/XoCR91Lw6P
BTW Is EdM still promising to reinstate child benefit for Roman Abramovich ?-1 -
As long as I get my owl, I will be happy.kjohnw said:
EdM thinks the answer to everything that doesn't go his way is to make a law. debates - change the law, energy freeze fail - change the law, next he will make it illegal to vote toryanother_richard said:
EdM promises to cut Roman Abramovich's energy bills by 10%.Scott_P said:Oh, FFS...
It's a FREEZE, No I mean CAP, no hang on CUT!!!!
@politicshome: Tomorrow's Independent: 'Miliband promises law to cut energy bills by up to 10 per cent' http://t.co/iwivMhm1Wg http://t.co/XoCR91Lw6P
BTW Is EdM still promising to reinstate child benefit for Roman Abramovich ?0 -
I think that is what scares me about Miliband....10 years of Ed and the amount of laws he will have passed will make Brown's messing up the tax system seem like small fry. He really does seem to believe not in the "nudge effect", but the only way to fix anything is via a new law.kjohnw said:
EdM thinks the answer to everything that doesn't go his way is to make a law. debates - change the law, energy freeze fail - change the law, next he will make it illegal to vote toryanother_richard said:
EdM promises to cut Roman Abramovich's energy bills by 10%.Scott_P said:Oh, FFS...
It's a FREEZE, No I mean CAP, no hang on CUT!!!!
@politicshome: Tomorrow's Independent: 'Miliband promises law to cut energy bills by up to 10 per cent' http://t.co/iwivMhm1Wg http://t.co/XoCR91Lw6P
BTW Is EdM still promising to reinstate child benefit for Roman Abramovich ?
The few times I have been really impressed by the Coalition is when they have done the opposite e.g. when there were those shooting, they said right lets wait and see, lets find out what went on and why, and would any change in the law make any difference. The answer was actually no, actually it would just throw the baby out with the bath water to totally over haul the laws and still not likely stop one nutter, while most likely impacting the tiny number of gun owners. So the best thing to do is actually nothing.0 -
From the poll
The poll shows that 37 per cent of Scots believe that if the Nationalists win a large number of Labour seats, it makes a Conservative government more likely. Just 13 per cent think it makes a Labour government more likely. In addition, 37 per cent of Scots now think Labour would be more effective at stopping the Tories, with 36 per cent thinking the SNP would be better. This is a significant shift from the last poll, which put the numbers at 33 and 43 per cent respectively.0 -
From the poll
The poll shows that 37 per cent of Scots believe that if the Nationalists win a large number of Labour seats, it makes a Conservative government more likely. Just 13 per cent think it makes a Labour government more likely. In addition, 37 per cent of Scots now think Labour would be more effective at stopping the Tories, with 36 per cent thinking the SNP would be better. This is a significant shift from the last poll, which put the numbers at 33 and 43 per cent respectively.0 -
Poor Charles Kennedy that's all you can say really. How bad will he feel in the morning?0
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Forgive me, but I can't understand the logic here. Isn't cutting e.g. employment legislation exactly what you'd expect a libertarian party to do? I do feel that the libertarian fringe within UKIP has been muscled out, but though it was not that big in the first place. The example you are giving, though, seems a non sequitur.hunchman said:
I'm glad I'm free of any party label, but quite what I'm going to do in 8 weeks time I've got no idea. I simply can't vote Conservative - the disgraceful goings on with the child abuse inquiry, and appointing someone who was a close friend of Leon Brittan was simply the final straw for me. And after Farage's comments today on removing much of the anti-discrimination laws I simply can't vote UKIP. UKIP started out as a pretty libertarian party but have become more and more authoritarian as time has gone on like the establishment parties. Who the heck does a Libertarian vote for if its only the main 5 parties in England standing in a seat at this election? It would be highly regrettable if I have to spoil my ballot paper if no Libertarian leaning candidate stands in Romsey, but I may be forced to do it - I hope not!TGOHF said:
Don't tell me - "it's a good election to lose"hunchman said:
Ed Balls gives every sign that he realises that the global economy turns down after the end of September, like he foresaw 2008 after pushing for the election that never was in the autumn of 2007. Its our version of the 1928 US presidential election.DavidL said:
Every time I get depressed about the Tories not making sufficient progress in the polls he comes up with something even more bizarre and just plain stupid. I am seriously beginning to wonder if he really wants to win.Richard_Nabavi said:
What a wimp. A Real Man would promise a law to cut energy bills by at least 20%, and rents by 50%, and iPhones by 60%, and trainers by 80%, and child-care by 90%.Scott_P said:@politicshome: Tomorrow's Independent: 'Miliband promises law to cut energy bills by up to 10 per cent' http://t.co/iwivMhm1Wg http://t.co/XoCR91Lw6P
Like 2010 - but that didn't do Labour any good - if anything they have gone backwards.
As for "close friend of Leon Brittan" - is that really a fair criticism? "Someone who knew Leon Brittan", definitely fair enough. "Close friend"? Dunno, have to admit I wasn't following this whole unseemly business that closely, but that isn't my own hazy recollection.
EDIT: sympathise with the not-knowing-who-to-vote-for decision, albeit from a different angle.0 -
I cannot see him putting up much fight for his seat. Time to retire to the HoL wine cellar.isam said:Poor Charles Kennedy that's all you can say really. How bad will he feel in the morning?
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What does that mean? Are Scots voting SNP because it makes Tory government more likely? If so is it because they want financial rectitude? Or is it because "the worse, the better"?TheScreamingEagles said:From the poll
The poll shows that 37 per cent of Scots believe that if the Nationalists win a large number of Labour seats, it makes a Conservative government more likely. Just 13 per cent think it makes a Labour government more likely. In addition, 37 per cent of Scots now think Labour would be more effective at stopping the Tories, with 36 per cent thinking the SNP would be better. This is a significant shift from the last poll, which put the numbers at 33 and 43 per cent respectively.0 -
Just watching QT (i only watch it around election times, or boring and packed with party supporters outside of elections). Yes Kennedy doesnt look too well, certainly a bit sauced up. Lucy Lips, oh my. Terrible. For someone managing an election campaign, why would she want to draw attention to the tory poster campaigns, when they are hitting home??
Saubry, yes the indignation looks a bit faux.0 -
I think it means Labour's message of vote Lab to stop the Tories has some potential.foxinsoxuk said:
What does that mean? Are Scots voting SNP because it makes Tory government more likely? If so is it because they want financial rectitude? Or is it because "the worse, the better"?TheScreamingEagles said:From the poll
The poll shows that 37 per cent of Scots believe that if the Nationalists win a large number of Labour seats, it makes a Conservative government more likely. Just 13 per cent think it makes a Labour government more likely. In addition, 37 per cent of Scots now think Labour would be more effective at stopping the Tories, with 36 per cent thinking the SNP would be better. This is a significant shift from the last poll, which put the numbers at 33 and 43 per cent respectively.0 -
A second kitchen next to the sitting room for tea and quick snacks? Jeez.Scott_P said:
@GdnPolitics: Kitchen sink drama for Miliband as homely photo backfires http://t.co/j7bXCj7sLlanother_richard said:What's all this about two kitchens ?
Does EdM or someone else have two kitchens ?
Oh, to live in the rarified world of the uber rich London politician.0 -
You can't expect the butler to walk all the way downstairs to the kitchenTheWatcher said:A second kitchen next to the sitting room for tea and quick snacks? Jeez.
Oh, to live in the rarified world of the uber rich London politician.0 -
I am sure the conversation topics over a cuppa in the 2nd kitchen would be right up your street.TheWatcher said:
A second kitchen next to the sitting room for tea and quick snacks? Jeez.Scott_P said:
@GdnPolitics: Kitchen sink drama for Miliband as homely photo backfires http://t.co/j7bXCj7sLlanother_richard said:What's all this about two kitchens ?
Does EdM or someone else have two kitchens ?
Oh, to live in the rarified world of the uber rich London politician.0 -
Richard Rogers @oowmygawd 3m3 minutes ago
In 2014 I put a £20 bet @ 100/1 with local bookie on UKIP winning 50-100 seats in May, tonight in the pub he offered to put it back for £5000 -
Ed "2 kitchens" Miliband reminds me of the John Prescott story repeated recently (which may of course be apocryphal)
The story goes he was interviewed by local press, and mentioned his favourite chippy, where he went for lunch very day.
A rival chippy was very put out by this story, because JP visited them every day for lunch, and could not understand why the story featured the wrong chip shop.
The denouement came when it was (allegedly) revealed he visited both establishments every day to save the embarrassment of ordering the same thing twice in one place0 -
@BethRigby: Alan Johnson thinks Miliband should rule out SNP coalition: it's the right thing to do #bbctw0
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But what about my second kitchen?foxinsoxuk said:
As long as I get my owl, I will be happy.kjohnw said:
EdM thinks the answer to everything that doesn't go his way is to make a law. debates - change the law, energy freeze fail - change the law, next he will make it illegal to vote toryanother_richard said:
EdM promises to cut Roman Abramovich's energy bills by 10%.Scott_P said:Oh, FFS...
It's a FREEZE, No I mean CAP, no hang on CUT!!!!
@politicshome: Tomorrow's Independent: 'Miliband promises law to cut energy bills by up to 10 per cent' http://t.co/iwivMhm1Wg http://t.co/XoCR91Lw6P
BTW Is EdM still promising to reinstate child benefit for Roman Abramovich ?0 -
The worlds dullest stag night, energy taxes and wonkishness. What's not to like?FrancisUrquhart said:
I am sure the conversation topics over a cuppa in the 2nd kitchen would be right up your street.TheWatcher said:
A second kitchen next to the sitting room for tea and quick snacks? Jeez.Scott_P said:
@GdnPolitics: Kitchen sink drama for Miliband as homely photo backfires http://t.co/j7bXCj7sLlanother_richard said:What's all this about two kitchens ?
Does EdM or someone else have two kitchens ?
Oh, to live in the rarified world of the uber rich London politician.0 -
I hope with all my heart that Nearly Headless Nick gets his head back in place, and Soubry loses hers.notme said:Just watching QT (i only watch it around election times, or boring and packed with party supporters outside of elections). Yes Kennedy doesnt look too well, certainly a bit sauced up. Lucy Lips, oh my. Terrible. For someone managing an election campaign, why would she want to draw attention to the tory poster campaigns, when they are hitting home??
Saubry, yes the indignation looks a bit faux.0 -
No, after his sickening comments following the ratification of the Lisbon Treaty, he should never be allowed anywhere near public office again.MikeK said:
I hope with all my heart that Nearly Headless Nick gets his head back in place, and Soubry loses hers.notme said:Just watching QT (i only watch it around election times, or boring and packed with party supporters outside of elections). Yes Kennedy doesnt look too well, certainly a bit sauced up. Lucy Lips, oh my. Terrible. For someone managing an election campaign, why would she want to draw attention to the tory poster campaigns, when they are hitting home??
Saubry, yes the indignation looks a bit faux.0 -
As folks used to say here when a criminal was about to be electrocuted - Fry Him!Scott_P said:Ed "2 kitchens" Miliband reminds me of the John Prescott story repeated recently (which may of course be apocryphal)
The story goes he was interviewed by local press, and mentioned his favourite chippy, where he went for lunch very day.
A rival chippy was very put out by this story, because JP visited them every day for lunch, and could not understand why the story featured the wrong chip shop.
The denouement came when it was (allegedly) revealed he visited both establishments every day to save the embarrassment of ordering the same thing twice in one place0 -
I believe Soubry claims less in expenses too.notme said:
No, after his sickening comments following the ratification of the Lisbon Treaty, he should never be allowed anywhere near public office again.MikeK said:
I hope with all my heart that Nearly Headless Nick gets his head back in place, and Soubry loses hers.notme said:Just watching QT (i only watch it around election times, or boring and packed with party supporters outside of elections). Yes Kennedy doesnt look too well, certainly a bit sauced up. Lucy Lips, oh my. Terrible. For someone managing an election campaign, why would she want to draw attention to the tory poster campaigns, when they are hitting home??
Saubry, yes the indignation looks a bit faux.0 -
Milliband will enable a law forcing Smallbone to build you one, for tea and snacks. Is there space next to your sitting room?rottenborough said:
But what about my second kitchen?foxinsoxuk said:
As long as I get my owl, I will be happy.kjohnw said:
EdM thinks the answer to everything that doesn't go his way is to make a law. debates - change the law, energy freeze fail - change the law, next he will make it illegal to vote toryanother_richard said:
EdM promises to cut Roman Abramovich's energy bills by 10%.Scott_P said:Oh, FFS...
It's a FREEZE, No I mean CAP, no hang on CUT!!!!
@politicshome: Tomorrow's Independent: 'Miliband promises law to cut energy bills by up to 10 per cent' http://t.co/iwivMhm1Wg http://t.co/XoCR91Lw6P
BTW Is EdM still promising to reinstate child benefit for Roman Abramovich ?0 -
Only in next door's garden. I demand a judge-led inquiry.TheWatcher said:
Milliband will enable a law forcing Smallbone to build you one, for tea and snacks. Is there space next to your sitting room?rottenborough said:
But what about my second kitchen?foxinsoxuk said:
As long as I get my owl, I will be happy.kjohnw said:
EdM thinks the answer to everything that doesn't go his way is to make a law. debates - change the law, energy freeze fail - change the law, next he will make it illegal to vote toryanother_richard said:
EdM promises to cut Roman Abramovich's energy bills by 10%.Scott_P said:Oh, FFS...
It's a FREEZE, No I mean CAP, no hang on CUT!!!!
@politicshome: Tomorrow's Independent: 'Miliband promises law to cut energy bills by up to 10 per cent' http://t.co/iwivMhm1Wg http://t.co/XoCR91Lw6P
BTW Is EdM still promising to reinstate child benefit for Roman Abramovich ?0 -
Im surprised that a picture hasnt already surfaced of his real kitchen.Tim_B said:
As folks used to say here when a criminal was about to be electrocuted - Fry Him!Scott_P said:Ed "2 kitchens" Miliband reminds me of the John Prescott story repeated recently (which may of course be apocryphal)
The story goes he was interviewed by local press, and mentioned his favourite chippy, where he went for lunch very day.
A rival chippy was very put out by this story, because JP visited them every day for lunch, and could not understand why the story featured the wrong chip shop.
The denouement came when it was (allegedly) revealed he visited both establishments every day to save the embarrassment of ordering the same thing twice in one place0 -
If the house has two bathrooms and is near the station, when he and Justine sell it they can advertise it as -TheWatcher said:
Milliband will enable a law forcing Smallbone to build you one, for tea and snacks. Is there space next to your sitting room?rottenborough said:
But what about my second kitchen?foxinsoxuk said:
As long as I get my owl, I will be happy.kjohnw said:
EdM thinks the answer to everything that doesn't go his way is to make a law. debates - change the law, energy freeze fail - change the law, next he will make it illegal to vote toryanother_richard said:
EdM promises to cut Roman Abramovich's energy bills by 10%.Scott_P said:Oh, FFS...
It's a FREEZE, No I mean CAP, no hang on CUT!!!!
@politicshome: Tomorrow's Independent: 'Miliband promises law to cut energy bills by up to 10 per cent' http://t.co/iwivMhm1Wg http://t.co/XoCR91Lw6P
BTW Is EdM still promising to reinstate child benefit for Roman Abramovich ?
two loos low trek0 -
You joke, but remember he has promised all these jobs / apprentices for all...they will have to find something to do, 2nd kitchens seem a good start.TheWatcher said:
Milliband will enable a law forcing Smallbone to build you one, for tea and snacks. Is there space next to your sitting room?rottenborough said:
But what about my second kitchen?foxinsoxuk said:
As long as I get my owl, I will be happy.kjohnw said:
EdM thinks the answer to everything that doesn't go his way is to make a law. debates - change the law, energy freeze fail - change the law, next he will make it illegal to vote toryanother_richard said:
EdM promises to cut Roman Abramovich's energy bills by 10%.Scott_P said:Oh, FFS...
It's a FREEZE, No I mean CAP, no hang on CUT!!!!
@politicshome: Tomorrow's Independent: 'Miliband promises law to cut energy bills by up to 10 per cent' http://t.co/iwivMhm1Wg http://t.co/XoCR91Lw6P
BTW Is EdM still promising to reinstate child benefit for Roman Abramovich ?
Oh s##t I might actually be filling in his blank page, with the "60 minute makeover" policy...every household is entitled to a free 60 minute makeover of their home.0 -
"We're going in full throttle. That ought to keep those Tories off our back!"Tim_B said:The eighth Star Wars move will premiere on May 26, 2017, according to Disney CEO Bob Iger.
A spin-off called "rogue One" is set for release in December 2016
"Ed, at that speed, will we be able to pull out in time?
"It'll be just like Romanian Beggar's Canyon back home!"0 -
Articulate, as in can put two wirdz tugedder. (^_-)DavidL said:
Is she not English, the Wirral or something? Now speaks on education? Definitely not SLAB.Scott_P said:
I would rather vote for Alison McGovern.DavidL said:
He is not as left wing lunatic as he was and he has the extremely unusual attribute for SLAB of a functioning brain. He really stands out.
I saw her give a brilliant speech in the HoC. The content was absolute garbage, but she was articulate, passionate and engaging. Which makes her stand out amongst the Labour benches.
Her grandad wrote this corker.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lUl9HaFbN80 -
Cameron adopts the language of Ed Miliband
David Cameron insists EU referendum could prove pivotal for Britain
Prime minister claims the country is currently ‘sleepwalking towards the exit’ but plays down suggestions that the referendum could come as early as 2016
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/12/david-cameron-insists-eu-referendum-could-prove-pivotal-for-britain
Will we be able to distinguish between the two of them by the end of the election?0 -
The one legislating left right and center is Ed.Hengists_Gift said:Cameron adopts the language of Ed Miliband
David Cameron insists EU referendum could prove pivotal for Britain
Prime minister claims the country is currently ‘sleepwalking towards the exit’ but plays down suggestions that the referendum could come as early as 2016
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/12/david-cameron-insists-eu-referendum-could-prove-pivotal-for-britain
Will we be able to distinguish between the two of them by the end of the election?
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Yes the one that doesn't soil himself while putting his trousers on back to front will be David Cameron.Hengists_Gift said:Cameron adopts the language of Ed Miliband
David Cameron insists EU referendum could prove pivotal for Britain
Prime minister claims the country is currently ‘sleepwalking towards the exit’ but plays down suggestions that the referendum could come as early as 2016
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/12/david-cameron-insists-eu-referendum-could-prove-pivotal-for-britain
Will we be able to distinguish between the two of them by the end of the election?0 -
I didn't realize they had trains in Star Wars, particularly in Romanian Beggar's CanyonSunil_Prasannan said:
"We're going in full throttle. That ought to keep those Tories off our back!"Tim_B said:The eighth Star Wars move will premiere on May 26, 2017, according to Disney CEO Bob Iger.
A spin-off called "rogue One" is set for release in December 2016
"Ed, at that speed, will we be able to pull out in time?
"It'll be just like Romanian Beggar's Canyon back home!"
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50-100 seats is about a 50/1 shot right now. That would make his £20 bet worth, umm, £40?MikeK said:Richard Rogers @oowmygawd 3m3 minutes ago
In 2014 I put a £20 bet @ 100/1 with local bookie on UKIP winning 50-100 seats in May, tonight in the pub he offered to put it back for £500
Someone's telling porkies.0 -
Is Cameron still putting his trousers on back to front? You'd have thought Sam would have helped with thatnotme said:
Yes the one that doesn't soil himself while putting his trousers on back to front will be David Cameron.Hengists_Gift said:Cameron adopts the language of Ed Miliband
David Cameron insists EU referendum could prove pivotal for Britain
Prime minister claims the country is currently ‘sleepwalking towards the exit’ but plays down suggestions that the referendum could come as early as 2016
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/12/david-cameron-insists-eu-referendum-could-prove-pivotal-for-britain
Will we be able to distinguish between the two of them by the end of the election?
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Every time Sam helps him he gets excited and he can't pull his trousers up all the wayRobD said:
Is Cameron still putting his trousers on back to front? You'd have thought Sam would have helped with thatnotme said:
Yes the one that doesn't soil himself while putting his trousers on back to front will be David Cameron.Hengists_Gift said:Cameron adopts the language of Ed Miliband
David Cameron insists EU referendum could prove pivotal for Britain
Prime minister claims the country is currently ‘sleepwalking towards the exit’ but plays down suggestions that the referendum could come as early as 2016
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/12/david-cameron-insists-eu-referendum-could-prove-pivotal-for-britain
Will we be able to distinguish between the two of them by the end of the election? 0 -
Con lead 1.2% in this week's polls up to and including Ipsos MORI. Need latest YG tables, but assuming 1300 sample giving a VI, should remain 1.1% Tory lead - until Populus of course!Danny565 said:Meanwhile, ELBOW crossover now seems pretty much nailed on. Labour would probably need to have 3/4-point leads in all remaining polls or something to avoid it.
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"Don't be stupid, be a smarty!MarqueeMark said:
Congrats. Just be psychologically prepared for them to turn it into a musical...SeanT said:My creepily identical twin sister, S K Tremayne, has just sold her soul to Hollywood, according to industry rumours.
http://t.co/aTUuj1o9xm
For shame.
Heh.
Come and join the Tremayne Party!"0 -
Oh gawd!Tim_B said:
Every time Sam helps him he gets excited and he can't pull his trousers up all the wayRobD said:
Is Cameron still putting his trousers on back to front? You'd have thought Sam would have helped with thatnotme said:
Yes the one that doesn't soil himself while putting his trousers on back to front will be David Cameron.Hengists_Gift said:Cameron adopts the language of Ed Miliband
David Cameron insists EU referendum could prove pivotal for Britain
Prime minister claims the country is currently ‘sleepwalking towards the exit’ but plays down suggestions that the referendum could come as early as 2016
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/12/david-cameron-insists-eu-referendum-could-prove-pivotal-for-britain
Will we be able to distinguish between the two of them by the end of the election?0 -
Of course, he could just have a stiff drink....RobD said:
Oh gawd!Tim_B said:
Every time Sam helps him he gets excited and he can't pull his trousers up all the wayRobD said:
Is Cameron still putting his trousers on back to front? You'd have thought Sam would have helped with thatnotme said:
Yes the one that doesn't soil himself while putting his trousers on back to front will be David Cameron.Hengists_Gift said:Cameron adopts the language of Ed Miliband
David Cameron insists EU referendum could prove pivotal for Britain
Prime minister claims the country is currently ‘sleepwalking towards the exit’ but plays down suggestions that the referendum could come as early as 2016
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/12/david-cameron-insists-eu-referendum-could-prove-pivotal-for-britain
Will we be able to distinguish between the two of them by the end of the election?0 -
I find that hard to swallowTim_B said:
Of course, he could just have a stiff drink....RobD said:
Oh gawd!Tim_B said:
Every time Sam helps him he gets excited and he can't pull his trousers up all the wayRobD said:
Is Cameron still putting his trousers on back to front? You'd have thought Sam would have helped with thatnotme said:
Yes the one that doesn't soil himself while putting his trousers on back to front will be David Cameron.Hengists_Gift said:Cameron adopts the language of Ed Miliband
David Cameron insists EU referendum could prove pivotal for Britain
Prime minister claims the country is currently ‘sleepwalking towards the exit’ but plays down suggestions that the referendum could come as early as 2016
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/12/david-cameron-insists-eu-referendum-could-prove-pivotal-for-britain
Will we be able to distinguish between the two of them by the end of the election? 0 -
I hear the cloakroom is open, so you two can both collect your coats 0
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are you saying you wouldn't eat them but you would...?TGOHF said:
Old labour vs New labour encapsulated. I know which one I prefer!Scott_P said:Ed "2 kitchens" Miliband reminds me of the John Prescott story repeated recently (which may of course be apocryphal)
The story goes he was interviewed by local press, and mentioned his favourite chippy, where he went for lunch very day.
A rival chippy was very put out by this story, because JP visited them every day for lunch, and could not understand why the story featured the wrong chip shop.
The denouement came when it was (allegedly) revealed he visited both establishments every day to save the embarrassment of ordering the same thing twice in one place
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Settling down with some Blue Nun for a Daily Politics - QT - This Week marathon. This is the life.0
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Curious YouGov poll suggesting voters want to nationalise nearly everything - except
banks:
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/03/12/nationalisation-ideology-beats-pragmatism/
There's also a VI in there - a tie.0
