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  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,296

    Starry said:

    Foxy said:

    Is it me or since @Leon* and @isam have been banished to ConHome for perpetuity there often seem to be long periods of tumbleweed between posts?
    * Particularly Leon

    It's not loss for the former but I miss Isam. If you want to follow Leon's exploits just follow his stalker, Sean T on X.
    I have not the greatest of history with (in particular) one of those posters, so it makes no odds to me whether they come and go. Both often went down particularly unpleasant race related rabbit holes on a regular basis.

    It is what it is.
    @isam was mostly an interesting poster, particularly on betting and football matters. Not so keen on his reposted Musk rage bait. So a bit of a curates egg.
    I would just skip Leon's posts. How can anyone miss a troll?
    RCS should let him back to post on Vanilla, but forget to tell him the rest of us have moved to Wordpress.
    It will be quite busy what with Leon, Eadric, Lady G., Byronic and several dozen others all in deep conversation with each other.
    Well…


    I know you’ve posted it many times before, but it still makes me smile.
  • TresTres Posts: 3,741
    Andy_JS said:

    Barnesian said:

    Just got an email from Nigel.

    ...."I watched her interacting with drivers, waiters and waitresses. She was kind to everybody. This was somebody who gave her life to public service and to fighting for the things that she believed in. She herself would not have harmed a fly.

    I’m deeply shocked and upset by the nature of her death. The police have arrested a man on suspicion of murder. We don’t know whether there were any political motives, and I’m not going to speculate at this stage. I’m pleased that the police are doing their job." ....

    Never thought you'd be on the end of a Nigel email list, Barnesian.
    that's just basic campaigning knowing what the opposition are saying
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,428
    Shouldn't Rodri and Nico Williams be playing for Wales?
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,993
    I'd kind of like to see them bring back golden goal extra time. I don't know why, I just kinda feel like it.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,702

    Oh shut up you grifting by-election failure. Stop causing division out of nothing.



    Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ
    ·
    1h
    It is absolutely critical — given the climate the mainstream media have whipped up in this country in recent months — that we are told EVERYTHING about the Ann Widdecombe murder suspect, the case, the context, all of it.

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/2075626011727634924

    He also doesn’t seem to understand how police investigations work.
    Goodwin is possibly the dumbest intellectual in the UK. (Though I acknowledge there's serious competition for that accolade.)
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,205

    I'd kind of like to see them bring back golden goal extra time. I don't know why, I just kinda feel like it.

    Won't be needed today.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,452
    Courtois would not have spilled that.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,428
    Would Courtois have held that?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,436
    This Spanish team could be quite a game vs France. Both teams real class.

    Belgium too many injuries.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,973
    DavidL said:

    Courtois would not have spilled that.

    He did in the first half.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,436
    DavidL said:

    Courtois would not have spilled that.

    He did for Spain's first.
  • lintolinto Posts: 58
    FF43 said:

    FF43 said:

    FF43 said:

    Whilst waiting for the Sinner-Zverev game to start we can look forward to this:


    Dan Neidle
    @DanNeidle

    Andy Burnham's backed a land value tax for 16 years. This Sunday we'll be publishing an analysis of how an LVT would work in practice.

    Plus a model that lets you design an LVT and answer the key questions: Who'd win? Who'd lose? And the big question: can it be done at all?

    https://x.com/DanNeidle/status/2075615378621780313

    Land Value Tax feels like a solution looking for a problem, where you could get 80% of the good juice with some basic reforms of the property rating system.

    Not an expert though.
    My suggestions would be
    1. Rates based on typical (not actually charged) rents for that type of property: encourages adding value to the property as you wouldn't pay higher rates. Discourages deliberately reducing rents to gain lower rates.
    2. Rates paid by property owners, not renters. Encourages realistic rents as these now include taxes. Particular issue for pubs.
    3. Some relief possible for empty properties, but temporary and not 100%: encourages exploitation and discourages landowners from sitting on property and/or expecting unrealistic rents.
    You are clearly an accountant, or someone who thinks accountants deserve to make money.

    0.49% on all land regardless of use, no exceptions, no reliefs
    My ideas are half arsed, but vaguely thinking of how a surveyor might get a ballpark value or rental figure without visiting the property or considering the condition, using an online calculator. ie type of property, location, square metres etc. No accountants, and importantly, no revaluations required.

    Whatever property tax we come up with needs to be easy to calculate, collect, be able to raise large sums and be affordable.

    A part of my prejudice against LVT is that I think there is a much better case in principle for abolishing private land ownership entirely. Land could be a public good, owned by the collective or state, which leases out exploitation rights on long leases. LVT seems neither one thing or the other.

    0.49% of what?
    Isn't the key to this that is a slow burner. Keep people on the existing system until they move then they can make an educated decision. To make it even better allow councils to vary it by a small percentage +/-0.02% so they can actually do stuff other than pay for old people's arses to be wiped and kids to be kept in private equity care homes.
  • lintolinto Posts: 58
    FF43 said:

    FF43 said:

    FF43 said:

    Whilst waiting for the Sinner-Zverev game to start we can look forward to this:


    Dan Neidle
    @DanNeidle

    Andy Burnham's backed a land value tax for 16 years. This Sunday we'll be publishing an analysis of how an LVT would work in practice.

    Plus a model that lets you design an LVT and answer the key questions: Who'd win? Who'd lose? And the big question: can it be done at all?

    https://x.com/DanNeidle/status/2075615378621780313

    Land Value Tax feels like a solution looking for a problem, where you could get 80% of the good juice with some basic reforms of the property rating system.

    Not an expert though.
    My suggestions would be
    1. Rates based on typical (not actually charged) rents for that type of property: encourages adding value to the property as you wouldn't pay higher rates. Discourages deliberately reducing rents to gain lower rates.
    2. Rates paid by property owners, not renters. Encourages realistic rents as these now include taxes. Particular issue for pubs.
    3. Some relief possible for empty properties, but temporary and not 100%: encourages exploitation and discourages landowners from sitting on property and/or expecting unrealistic rents.
    You are clearly an accountant, or someone who thinks accountants deserve to make money.

    0.49% on all land regardless of use, no exceptions, no reliefs
    My ideas are half arsed, but vaguely thinking of how a surveyor might get a ballpark value or rental figure without visiting the property or considering the condition, using an online calculator. ie type of property, location, square metres etc. No accountants, and importantly, no revaluations required.

    Whatever property tax we come up with needs to be easy to calculate, collect, be able to raise large sums and be affordable.

    A part of my prejudice against LVT is that I think there is a much better case in principle for abolishing private land ownership entirely. Land could be a public good, owned by the collective or state, which leases out exploitation rights on long leases. LVT seems neither one thing or the other.

    0.49% of what?
    Isn't the key to this that is a slow burner. Keep people on the existing system until they move then they can make an educated decision. To make it even better allow councils to vary it by a small percentage +/-0.02% so they can actually do stuff other than pay for old people's arses to be wiped and kids to be kept in private equity care homes.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,452
    Foxy said:

    This Spanish team could be quite a game vs France. Both teams real class.

    Belgium too many injuries.

    And their very best players are now just too old, especially in this heat.

    In my view France v Spain is the WC final. Whoever wins gets to beat whoever comes out of the other side of the drawer.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,763

    rcs1000 said:

    A good news story:

    "Plans for large solar farm rejected"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgdy1x9wglo

    On greenbelt. Get to feck.

    All those people facing higher electricity bills will thank you for your help in this matter.
    Citation needed.
    Sure.

    Today, the wholesale price of electricity's low point was 16.3p / KWh. And the average during periods when the sun was shining was about 19p.

    The current price for new commercial solar contracts through the CfD is around 7p/KWh.

    So every new solar panel -commerical or residential- lowers electricity prices.

    Now, I completely agree that electricity prices are elevated (due to high natural gas prices). But today, adding that solar farm would have a very positive effect on UK energy prices. (And long term, when it drops off the CfD, it'll be a price taker, doing nothing other than driving down UK electricity prices.)
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,958
    Strand-on-the-Green.

    A good blow by blow account in the Chiswick Calendar of the imbroglio a few days ago.

    "All quiet on the River Front"
    https://chiswickcalendar.co.uk/all-quiet-on-the-river-front/

    Now it is down to 23C here, I'm off for a walk. Have a good evening all, and any of you are watching football.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,838
    Scott_xP said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I can honestly say I've never listened to a Taylor Swift song.

    I've thought about it, but then I've said to myself: wouldn't you rather listen to "Promised You A Miracle" by Simple Minds again, and the answer is always yes.

    New Gold Dream. 44 years old. Still sounds very fresh. Brilliant album.
    This version is astonishing

    https://youtu.be/cEhVoKP9fzk?si=gs1co9Cq5SBVCruB
    Thank you!
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,229

    Starry said:

    Foxy said:

    Is it me or since @Leon* and @isam have been banished to ConHome for perpetuity there often seem to be long periods of tumbleweed between posts?
    * Particularly Leon

    It's not loss for the former but I miss Isam. If you want to follow Leon's exploits just follow his stalker, Sean T on X.
    I have not the greatest of history with (in particular) one of those posters, so it makes no odds to me whether they come and go. Both often went down particularly unpleasant race related rabbit holes on a regular basis.

    It is what it is.
    @isam was mostly an interesting poster, particularly on betting and football matters. Not so keen on his reposted Musk rage bait. So a bit of a curates egg.
    I would just skip Leon's posts. How can anyone miss a troll?
    RCS should let him back to post on Vanilla, but forget to tell him the rest of us have moved to Wordpress.
    It will be quite busy what with Leon, Eadric, Lady G., Byronic and several dozen others all in deep conversation with each other.
    Well…


    I know you’ve posted it many times before, but it still makes me smile.
    I always hear it in Nigel Green’s voice…


    Pvt. Cole: Why is it us? Why us?
    Colour Sergeant Bourne: Because we're here, lad. Nobody else. Just us
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,838
    edited July 10
    Tres said:

    kinabalu said:

    Andy_JS said:

    viewcode said:

    I hate to indulge in the trivial when the murder of Ann Widdecombe is still fresh, but I need to moan about a film. IMHO, there are/were three perfect films: Alien, Manhunter, Apocalypse Now. Recently they have been disfigured by "director's cuts": Alien has a variant (not too bad but entirely unnecessary and worse than the original) and Apocalypse Now was ruined by the "Final Cut" (it's just rubbish). Now Michael Mann did the Final Cut for Manhunter and the 4k version is now out, being rereleased in September. The person in the back row silently weeping salty tears will be me. Why can't they leave well enough alone?

    I haven't seen the other two, but Manhunter (1986) is very close to being THE perfect film. Never get tired of watching it.
    I can't think of a film to rival it in the serial killer genre. Unless you count Don't Look Now.
    Manhunter is horrendously 80s
    You say that like it's a bad thing.

    (But it is why it shouldn't be touched...)
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,774
    edited July 10
    Foxy said:

    This Spanish team could be quite a game vs France. Both teams real class.

    Belgium too many injuries.

    I think that’s the last hurrah for their ‘golden generation’ too. France vs Spain winner wins the World Cup. It’s not impossible we see a repeat of the euro final of 2024.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,428
    Why are BBC Sport persevering with Shrek?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,436

    Foxy said:

    This Spanish team could be quite a game vs France. Both teams real class.

    Belgium too many injuries.

    I think that’s the last hurrah for their ‘golden generation’ too. France vs Spain winner wins the World Cup. It’s not impossible we see a repeat of the euro final of 2024.
    I think they missed the inventiveness of Tielemans.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,572
    MattW said:

    Strand-on-the-Green.

    A good blow by blow account in the Chiswick Calendar of the imbroglio a few days ago.

    "All quiet on the River Front"
    https://chiswickcalendar.co.uk/all-quiet-on-the-river-front/

    Now it is down to 23C here, I'm off for a walk. Have a good evening all, and any of you are watching football.

    Those shelves attached to the railings with the seats did look pretty dubious when combined with the tables. The tables alone seem fine.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,431

    Foxy said:

    This Spanish team could be quite a game vs France. Both teams real class.

    Belgium too many injuries.

    I think that’s the last hurrah for their ‘golden generation’ too. France vs Spain winner wins the World Cup. It’s not impossible we see a repeat of the euro final of 2024.
    Either are perfectly beatable in a one off game by whoever comes through the other half (hopefully us).

    But France are worthy favourites, both to beat Spain and to lift the trophy. I wouldn't be laying them.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,958
    carnforth said:

    MattW said:

    Strand-on-the-Green.

    A good blow by blow account in the Chiswick Calendar of the imbroglio a few days ago.

    "All quiet on the River Front"
    https://chiswickcalendar.co.uk/all-quiet-on-the-river-front/

    Now it is down to 23C here, I'm off for a walk. Have a good evening all, and any of you are watching football.

    Those shelves attached to the railings with the seats did look pretty dubious when combined with the tables. The tables alone seem fine.
    I'm not going to reopen the debate, but running the whole thing in 2 pubs for decades with no pavement license at all is .... quite something.

    Just the question of whether insurance will be valid.

    I think it will come to a sensible conclusion.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,229
    carnforth said:

    MattW said:

    Strand-on-the-Green.

    A good blow by blow account in the Chiswick Calendar of the imbroglio a few days ago.

    "All quiet on the River Front"
    https://chiswickcalendar.co.uk/all-quiet-on-the-river-front/

    Now it is down to 23C here, I'm off for a walk. Have a good evening all, and any of you are watching football.

    Those shelves attached to the railings with the seats did look pretty dubious when combined with the tables. The tables alone seem fine.
    And yet the campaign to save our footpaths totally ignores the actual blockage of the river path by Hammersmith Bridge - when the three pubs by the river get busy, it is impassable, except by filtering through the crowd.

    By contrast, at the Strand On The Green pubs, they don’t block the river path, even in high season.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,431

    Why are BBC Sport persevering with Shrek?

    They're hoping for that bit of quality that can change the ratings battle at the business end of the tournament.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,774
    MattW said:

    carnforth said:

    MattW said:

    Strand-on-the-Green.

    A good blow by blow account in the Chiswick Calendar of the imbroglio a few days ago.

    "All quiet on the River Front"
    https://chiswickcalendar.co.uk/all-quiet-on-the-river-front/

    Now it is down to 23C here, I'm off for a walk. Have a good evening all, and any of you are watching football.

    Those shelves attached to the railings with the seats did look pretty dubious when combined with the tables. The tables alone seem fine.
    I'm not going to reopen the debate, but running the whole thing in 2 pubs for decades with no pavement license at all is .... quite something.

    Just the question of whether insurance will be valid.

    I think it will come to a sensible conclusion.
    My questions are more about the police actions. How did they know this chap was in the pub, what he looked like and why did they waste their time telling him he hadn’t broken the law?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,428
    kinabalu said:

    Why are BBC Sport persevering with Shrek?

    They're hoping for that bit of quality that can change the ratings battle at the business end of the tournament.
    You mean like drop him for the final?

    Anyway, what does Kelly Dalgleish know about football?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,485
    MattW said:

    This is a quite remarkable barrier documented on a Public Footpath by Paul Whitewick (countryside / landscape Youtuber), which is ... astonishing.

    I've never seen anything like it. It's like a secure turnstile for entry for to somewhere like GCHQ, or Slade Prison. I have seen ones which DO quite closely represent the gatehouse to Slade prison, elsewhere.

    I'm surprised they didn't build a gatehouse with a portcullis and murder holes.

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/79jcr_w2rCE

    A bit extreme, to say the least.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,296
    kinabalu said:

    Foxy said:

    This Spanish team could be quite a game vs France. Both teams real class.

    Belgium too many injuries.

    I think that’s the last hurrah for their ‘golden generation’ too. France vs Spain winner wins the World Cup. It’s not impossible we see a repeat of the euro final of 2024.
    Either are perfectly beatable in a one off game by whoever comes through the other half (hopefully us).

    But France are worthy favourites, both to beat Spain and to lift the trophy. I wouldn't be laying them.
    I suspect France will win, but I chose Argentina in the PB competition, and I need the points.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,229
    kle4 said:

    MattW said:

    This is a quite remarkable barrier documented on a Public Footpath by Paul Whitewick (countryside / landscape Youtuber), which is ... astonishing.

    I've never seen anything like it. It's like a secure turnstile for entry for to somewhere like GCHQ, or Slade Prison. I have seen ones which DO quite closely represent the gatehouse to Slade prison, elsewhere.

    I'm surprised they didn't build a gatehouse with a portcullis and murder holes.

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/79jcr_w2rCE

    A bit extreme, to say the least.
    Nonsense - it doesn’t even have some 57mm quicker firers in the counterscarp firing into shot traps.

    A determined infantry assault would take a couple of minutes to overcome it.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,774
    kle4 said:

    MattW said:

    This is a quite remarkable barrier documented on a Public Footpath by Paul Whitewick (countryside / landscape Youtuber), which is ... astonishing.

    I've never seen anything like it. It's like a secure turnstile for entry for to somewhere like GCHQ, or Slade Prison. I have seen ones which DO quite closely represent the gatehouse to Slade prison, elsewhere.

    I'm surprised they didn't build a gatehouse with a portcullis and murder holes.

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/79jcr_w2rCE

    A bit extreme, to say the least.
    Apropos of nothing it reminds me of some reporting from Hampshire/Berkshire of someone buying a country estate and erecting huge fences and having security guards all around. Both seem OTT.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,702
    Two weeks ago I booked tickets to see @CountBinface performing live in London, which seemed like a quirky fun thing to do 🗑️

    Then Nigel Farage and the media furore happened, and somehow I randomly ended up being the only journalist in the audience last night at the sold-out gig (many journalists had begged to attend to no avail, apparently) 😅

    The veteran journalist John Sweeney
    @johnsweeneyroar interviewed him live on stage in the style of Jeremy Paxman and then it was opened up to the floor.

    Overall, it was a very funny gig - John Harvey seemed to view the whole week is rather surreal. I think some of the best material he’d planned for the gig he’d already used on air, so he was literally ad-libbing satire on the spot based on what questions he was asked, which is pretty impressive given that the room was also not air-conditioned and so we were all sweating in close quarters for an hour and 20 minutes.

    I also met one of his supposed supporters, who has been funding him at the rate of £3 a month for the last 15 years 💷 (in answer to the, “who is funding him?” question)..

    https://x.com/concertina226/status/2075586292818042907
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,774

    kinabalu said:

    Why are BBC Sport persevering with Shrek?

    They're hoping for that bit of quality that can change the ratings battle at the business end of the tournament.
    You mean like drop him for the final?

    Anyway, what does Kelly Dalgleish know about football?
    She knew her dad, so there’s that.

    You could say similar for Gabby Logan nee Yorath.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,702
    edited July 10
    Nigel Farage paying himself £50,000 in rent for studio at own property
    The arrangement, which could enable the Reform UK leader to lower his tax bill, falls outside parliamentary transparency rules
    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/nigel-farage-rent-studio-own-property-qbl583062

    What is it about this guy that makes me think, if he ever actually made it to No10, that he'd be trying to out-grift Trump ?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,375
    linto said:

    FF43 said:

    FF43 said:

    FF43 said:

    Whilst waiting for the Sinner-Zverev game to start we can look forward to this:


    Dan Neidle
    @DanNeidle

    Andy Burnham's backed a land value tax for 16 years. This Sunday we'll be publishing an analysis of how an LVT would work in practice.

    Plus a model that lets you design an LVT and answer the key questions: Who'd win? Who'd lose? And the big question: can it be done at all?

    https://x.com/DanNeidle/status/2075615378621780313

    Land Value Tax feels like a solution looking for a problem, where you could get 80% of the good juice with some basic reforms of the property rating system.

    Not an expert though.
    My suggestions would be
    1. Rates based on typical (not actually charged) rents for that type of property: encourages adding value to the property as you wouldn't pay higher rates. Discourages deliberately reducing rents to gain lower rates.
    2. Rates paid by property owners, not renters. Encourages realistic rents as these now include taxes. Particular issue for pubs.
    3. Some relief possible for empty properties, but temporary and not 100%: encourages exploitation and discourages landowners from sitting on property and/or expecting unrealistic rents.
    You are clearly an accountant, or someone who thinks accountants deserve to make money.

    0.49% on all land regardless of use, no exceptions, no reliefs
    My ideas are half arsed, but vaguely thinking of how a surveyor might get a ballpark value or rental figure without visiting the property or considering the condition, using an online calculator. ie type of property, location, square metres etc. No accountants, and importantly, no revaluations required.

    Whatever property tax we come up with needs to be easy to calculate, collect, be able to raise large sums and be affordable.

    A part of my prejudice against LVT is that I think there is a much better case in principle for abolishing private land ownership entirely. Land could be a public good, owned by the collective or state, which leases out exploitation rights on long leases. LVT seems neither one thing or the other.

    0.49% of what?
    Isn't the key to this that is a slow burner. Keep people on the existing system until they move then they can make an educated decision. To make it even better allow councils to vary it by a small percentage +/-0.02% so they can actually do stuff other than pay for old people's arses to be wiped and kids to be kept in private equity care homes.
    The value of every residential property could be assessed thus:

    - Last sale value uprated by the change in the Halifax and/or Nationwide house price index since the sale.

    - New self-build houses, and others not sold to be valued by the Valuation Office Agency (VOA) (or Scottish Assessors Association (SAA) in Scotland). All new houses have to be valued for CT purposes at present anyway.

    - Owner (not tenant) to be liable for the tax. (This should be done for CT anyway because that gives Councils the chance to put a charge on the property for CT arrears.)

    - Improving your house has no impact on the LVT value until it's sold.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,600
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    A good news story:

    "Plans for large solar farm rejected"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgdy1x9wglo

    On greenbelt. Get to feck.

    All those people facing higher electricity bills will thank you for your help in this matter.
    Citation needed.
    Sure.

    Today, the wholesale price of electricity's low point was 16.3p / KWh. And the average during periods when the sun was shining was about 19p.

    The current price for new commercial solar contracts through the CfD is around 7p/KWh.

    So every new solar panel -commerical or residential- lowers electricity prices.

    Now, I completely agree that electricity prices are elevated (due to high natural gas prices). But today, adding that solar farm would have a very positive effect on UK energy prices. (And long term, when it drops off the CfD, it'll be a price taker, doing nothing other than driving down UK electricity prices.)
    Firstly, that is not the true price. New solar creates more supply instability, adding to the price of gas generation - that is hidden within the cost of gas generation, but it is caused by the intermittency of wind and in this case of solar.

    Secondly, Contracts For Difference last 20 years.

    You cannot seriously be suggesting that the elevated price of gas will last that long. It may not even last until the solar plant is completed.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,572
    Nigelb said:

    Nigel Farage paying himself £50,000 in rent for studio at own property
    The arrangement, which could enable the Reform UK leader to lower his tax bill, falls outside parliamentary transparency rules
    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/nigel-farage-rent-studio-own-property-qbl583062

    What is it about this guy that makes me think, if he ever actually made it to No10, that he'd be trying to out-grift Trump ?

    £50,000 over five years, for clarity. And nothing illegal. But perhaps against parliament's rules.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,189
    China just landed their Long March 10 Rocket booster on a barge, just like Elon

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCgEzKnJ3DY
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,702
    viewcode said:

    China just landed their Long March 10 Rocket booster on a barge, just like Elon

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCgEzKnJ3DY

    Not exactly.
    They've dispensed with the landing legs, and catch it with wires. (A solution toyed with by SpaceX).

    It will save a small amount of weight.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,829

    I am very sad and shocked to hear about the news of Ann Widdecombe. A great politician and by all accounts a great lady.

    And by all accounts, someone who recently changed her mind on gay marriage.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,893
    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    This Spanish team could be quite a game vs France. Both teams real class.

    Belgium too many injuries.

    And their very best players are now just too old, especially in this heat.

    In my view France v Spain is the WC final. Whoever wins gets to beat whoever comes out of the other side of the drawer.
    I went through my drawers today.
    They're certainly Messi.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,296
    Nigelb said:

    Nigel Farage paying himself £50,000 in rent for studio at own property
    The arrangement, which could enable the Reform UK leader to lower his tax bill, falls outside parliamentary transparency rules
    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/nigel-farage-rent-studio-own-property-qbl583062

    What is it about this guy that makes me think, if he ever actually made it to No10, that he'd be trying to out-grift Trump ?

    Thank goodness he will never be PM. Hopefully, in a few weeks time he won’t even be an MP.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,296

    linto said:

    FF43 said:

    FF43 said:

    FF43 said:

    Whilst waiting for the Sinner-Zverev game to start we can look forward to this:


    Dan Neidle
    @DanNeidle

    Andy Burnham's backed a land value tax for 16 years. This Sunday we'll be publishing an analysis of how an LVT would work in practice.

    Plus a model that lets you design an LVT and answer the key questions: Who'd win? Who'd lose? And the big question: can it be done at all?

    https://x.com/DanNeidle/status/2075615378621780313

    Land Value Tax feels like a solution looking for a problem, where you could get 80% of the good juice with some basic reforms of the property rating system.

    Not an expert though.
    My suggestions would be
    1. Rates based on typical (not actually charged) rents for that type of property: encourages adding value to the property as you wouldn't pay higher rates. Discourages deliberately reducing rents to gain lower rates.
    2. Rates paid by property owners, not renters. Encourages realistic rents as these now include taxes. Particular issue for pubs.
    3. Some relief possible for empty properties, but temporary and not 100%: encourages exploitation and discourages landowners from sitting on property and/or expecting unrealistic rents.
    You are clearly an accountant, or someone who thinks accountants deserve to make money.

    0.49% on all land regardless of use, no exceptions, no reliefs
    My ideas are half arsed, but vaguely thinking of how a surveyor might get a ballpark value or rental figure without visiting the property or considering the condition, using an online calculator. ie type of property, location, square metres etc. No accountants, and importantly, no revaluations required.

    Whatever property tax we come up with needs to be easy to calculate, collect, be able to raise large sums and be affordable.

    A part of my prejudice against LVT is that I think there is a much better case in principle for abolishing private land ownership entirely. Land could be a public good, owned by the collective or state, which leases out exploitation rights on long leases. LVT seems neither one thing or the other.

    0.49% of what?
    Isn't the key to this that is a slow burner. Keep people on the existing system until they move then they can make an educated decision. To make it even better allow councils to vary it by a small percentage +/-0.02% so they can actually do stuff other than pay for old people's arses to be wiped and kids to be kept in private equity care homes.
    The value of every residential property could be assessed thus:

    - Last sale value uprated by the change in the Halifax and/or Nationwide house price index since the sale.

    - New self-build houses, and others not sold to be valued by the Valuation Office Agency (VOA) (or Scottish Assessors Association (SAA) in Scotland). All new houses have to be valued for CT purposes at present anyway.

    - Owner (not tenant) to be liable for the tax. (This should be done for CT anyway because that gives Councils the chance to put a charge on the property for CT arrears.)

    - Improving your house has no impact on the LVT value until it's sold.
    In addition, after a one year grace period, the landowner pays tax based on the value of properties that would be built on the land.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,829
    This is statesmanship.

    "Andy Burnham
    @andyburnham

    This is terrible news.

    Ann Widdecombe brought conviction, wit and personality to public life over many years.

    My thoughts are with her family and friends.

    I hope her killer is brought to justice as quickly as possible and faces the full force of the law."

    https://x.com/andyburnham/status/2075636771996487845
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,893
    Poor Ann Widdecombe.
    A terrible way to die.
    RIP.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,296
    Andy_JS said:

    This is statesmanship.

    "Andy Burnham
    @andyburnham

    This is terrible news.

    Ann Widdecombe brought conviction, wit and personality to public life over many years.

    My thoughts are with her family and friends.

    I hope her killer is brought to justice as quickly as possible and faces the full force of the law."

    https://x.com/andyburnham/status/2075636771996487845

    It’s about time we had a statesmanlike PM. The last one was Cameron.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,893
    Andy_JS said:

    This is statesmanship.

    "Andy Burnham
    @andyburnham

    This is terrible news.

    Ann Widdecombe brought conviction, wit and personality to public life over many years.

    My thoughts are with her family and friends.

    I hope her killer is brought to justice as quickly as possible and faces the full force of the law."

    https://x.com/andyburnham/status/2075636771996487845

    Thing about Andy Burnham is.
    He's actually a really nice bloke.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,409

    Courtois? Blimey!

    Oh, well. 2-1 to Spain. Should be a great semi-final!
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,600
    Andy_JS said:

    I am very sad and shocked to hear about the news of Ann Widdecombe. A great politician and by all accounts a great lady.

    And by all accounts, someone who recently changed her mind on gay marriage.
    Yes, it was interesting to hear Iain Dale disclose that.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,409
    Ann Widdecombe on ITV's The Chase, c.2016:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZcUlUvMUBw
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,739
    Just come back from a brilliant evening at Lancs v Yorks in the T20. Genuine sporting entertainment at its best. And for about £15.
    It genuinely baffles me why people prefer football.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,838
    carnforth said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigel Farage paying himself £50,000 in rent for studio at own property
    The arrangement, which could enable the Reform UK leader to lower his tax bill, falls outside parliamentary transparency rules
    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/nigel-farage-rent-studio-own-property-qbl583062

    What is it about this guy that makes me think, if he ever actually made it to No10, that he'd be trying to out-grift Trump ?

    £50,000 over five years, for clarity. And nothing illegal. But perhaps against parliament's rules.
    Time for Parliamentary "rules" to have the force of law. Not just some gentlemen's club arrangements more observed in the breach.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,135
    Oh. This looks good.


    Cinema Tweets
    @CinemaTweets1

    FIRST LOOK: The Brink of War is an upcoming political thriller about President Reagan's efforts to negotiate nuclear disarmament with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev. Jeff Daniels plays Ronald Reagan & Jared Harris plays Mikhail Gorbachev while J.K. Simmons plays George Shultz.

    https://x.com/CinemaTweets1/status/2075606635813437446
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,829
    Today has done more to convince me than ever before that we live in a country of two-tier policing.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,431
    Andy_JS said:

    I am very sad and shocked to hear about the news of Ann Widdecombe. A great politician and by all accounts a great lady.

    And by all accounts, someone who recently changed her mind on gay marriage.
    I'm not sure she changed her mind on the principle. It was more the view it would be wrong to remove a right now established and generally accepted.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,829
    The hottest place in the UK today was, for the first time I can remember, the furthest place in the UK from the sea, Coton-in-the-Elms in Derbyshire.

    https://x.com/metoffice/status/2075614352166531088
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,774
    Andy_JS said:

    Today has done more to convince me than ever before that we live in a country of two-tier policing.

    Which bit specifically?
  • eekeek Posts: 34,489
    edited July 10

    Andy_JS said:

    Today has done more to convince me than ever before that we live in a country of two-tier policing.

    Which bit specifically?
    +1 - I'm at a loss as to what the police could have done differently today, a person has been arrested and as many questions about race and motive were answered as could be without impeding the case and investigation.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,702
    Cookie said:

    Just come back from a brilliant evening at Lancs v Yorks in the T20. Genuine sporting entertainment at its best. And for about £15.
    It genuinely baffles me why people prefer football.

    I don't.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,318
    Cookie said:

    Just come back from a brilliant evening at Lancs v Yorks in the T20. Genuine sporting entertainment at its best. And for about £15.
    It genuinely baffles me why people prefer football.

    We’ve been to Durham v Derbyshire. Fantastic game. Went to the last ball.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,829
    edited July 10

    Andy_JS said:

    Today has done more to convince me than ever before that we live in a country of two-tier policing.

    Which bit specifically?
    Because social media today was full of malicious communications re Anne Widdecombe's death but, as far as I'm aware, nobody has been arrested for posting those types of comments. (as it happens, I don't agree with the malicious communications law, because I'm a bit of a free-speech absolutist, other than direct incitation).
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,763

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    A good news story:

    "Plans for large solar farm rejected"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgdy1x9wglo

    On greenbelt. Get to feck.

    All those people facing higher electricity bills will thank you for your help in this matter.
    Citation needed.
    Sure.

    Today, the wholesale price of electricity's low point was 16.3p / KWh. And the average during periods when the sun was shining was about 19p.

    The current price for new commercial solar contracts through the CfD is around 7p/KWh.

    So every new solar panel -commerical or residential- lowers electricity prices.

    Now, I completely agree that electricity prices are elevated (due to high natural gas prices). But today, adding that solar farm would have a very positive effect on UK energy prices. (And long term, when it drops off the CfD, it'll be a price taker, doing nothing other than driving down UK electricity prices.)
    Firstly, that is not the true price. New solar creates more supply instability, adding to the price of gas generation - that is hidden within the cost of gas generation, but it is caused by the intermittency of wind and in this case of solar.

    Secondly, Contracts For Difference last 20 years.

    You cannot seriously be suggesting that the elevated price of gas will last that long. It may not even last until the solar plant is completed.
    And you cannot seriously be suggesting that there is no risk of supply disruptions in the next twenty years, can you?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,774
    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Today has done more to convince me than ever before that we live in a country of two-tier policing.

    Which bit specifically?
    Because social media today was full of malicious communications re Anne Widdecombe's death but, as far as I'm aware, nobody has been arrested for posting those types of comments. (as it happens, I don't agree with the malicious communications law, because I'm a bit of a free-speech absolutist, other than direct incitation).
    Refering to events like Southport posts that resulted in arrests/convictions were clearly inflammatory. Have there been similar ones today, calling for action? Genuine question. People being nasty about Widdicombe is not the same as posting things that might cause serious events.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,431
    eek said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Today has done more to convince me than ever before that we live in a country of two-tier policing.

    Which bit specifically?
    +1 - I'm at a loss as to what the police could have done differently today, a person has been arrested and as many questions about race and motive were answered as could be without impeding the case and investigation.
    It's like this, I think.

    These days the police feel they have to disclose the suspect is white - if he is - so as to stop all the racists oiling up for a rumpus.

    The cry then goes up, "ha, see, they tell us when it's a white bloke but if he's black or brown they keep quiet and hope nobody asks".

    Two tier - aka Catch 22.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,739
    Taz said:

    Cookie said:

    Just come back from a brilliant evening at Lancs v Yorks in the T20. Genuine sporting entertainment at its best. And for about £15.
    It genuinely baffles me why people prefer football.

    We’ve been to Durham v Derbyshire. Fantastic game. Went to the last ball.
    So many of thr county T20 games have jeopardy right up to the last over. It's the perfect sport.
    (Obvs I prefer a Test Match. But if you only have three hours available...)
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,893
    edited July 10
    Seriously hope no one's calling for all white blokes to have their homes set on fire.
    It's warm enough already thank you.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,318
    dixiedean said:

    Seriously hope no one's calling for all white blokes to have their homes set on fire.

    Honestly, if that happened here it couldn’t make it any hotter
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,428
    Despite the fact that Scott Jennings says he spoke at length to Mitch McConnell this week, did Mitch McConnell in fact pass away on 14th June?

    CNN
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,428
    Andy_JS said:

    Today has done more to convince me than ever before that we live in a country of two-tier policing.

    We don't, but why? Please explain.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,431
    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Today has done more to convince me than ever before that we live in a country of two-tier policing.

    Which bit specifically?
    Because social media today was full of malicious communications re Anne Widdecombe's death but, as far as I'm aware, nobody has been arrested for posting those types of comments. (as it happens, I don't agree with the malicious communications law, because I'm a bit of a free-speech absolutist, other than direct incitation).
    What, you think people should be able to say anything at all without legal consequence?

    I bet you don't really.

    Eg, a speech in Trafalgar Square telling the audience that Jews are filth who have no place in Britain and urging them to make that clear to any they come across.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,711
    edited July 10
    kinabalu said:

    eek said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Today has done more to convince me than ever before that we live in a country of two-tier policing.

    Which bit specifically?
    +1 - I'm at a loss as to what the police could have done differently today, a person has been arrested and as many questions about race and motive were answered as could be without impeding the case and investigation.
    It's like this, I think.

    These days the police feel they have to disclose the suspect is white - if he is - so as to stop all the racists oiling up for a rumpus.

    The cry then goes up, "ha, see, they tell us when it's a white bloke but if he's black or brown they keep quiet and hope nobody asks".

    Two tier - aka Catch 22.
    Except of course they don't. The new guidelines from earlier in the year were that the police shoukd not withold information on ethnic background unless releasing it would hinder the investigation. The police today followed the guidance and I see no reason for criticism at all.
  • TresTres Posts: 3,741
    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Today has done more to convince me than ever before that we live in a country of two-tier policing.

    Which bit specifically?
    Because social media today was full of malicious communications re Anne Widdecombe's death but, as far as I'm aware, nobody has been arrested for posting those types of comments. (as it happens, I don't agree with the malicious communications law, because I'm a bit of a free-speech absolutist, other than direct incitation).
    you're bananas
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,296
    kinabalu said:

    eek said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Today has done more to convince me than ever before that we live in a country of two-tier policing.

    Which bit specifically?
    +1 - I'm at a loss as to what the police could have done differently today, a person has been arrested and as many questions about race and motive were answered as could be without impeding the case and investigation.
    It's like this, I think.

    These days the police feel they have to disclose the suspect is white - if he is - so as to stop all the racists oiling up for a rumpus.

    The cry then goes up, "ha, see, they tell us when it's a white bloke but if he's black or brown they keep quiet and hope nobody asks".

    Two tier - aka Catch 22.
    We should encourage the racists to turn up for a ruckus.


    Then shoot the bastards.
  • theProletheProle Posts: 2,019
    linto said:

    FF43 said:

    FF43 said:

    FF43 said:

    Whilst waiting for the Sinner-Zverev game to start we can look forward to this:


    Dan Neidle
    @DanNeidle

    Andy Burnham's backed a land value tax for 16 years. This Sunday we'll be publishing an analysis of how an LVT would work in practice.

    Plus a model that lets you design an LVT and answer the key questions: Who'd win? Who'd lose? And the big question: can it be done at all?

    https://x.com/DanNeidle/status/2075615378621780313

    Land Value Tax feels like a solution looking for a problem, where you could get 80% of the good juice with some basic reforms of the property rating system.

    Not an expert though.
    My suggestions would be
    1. Rates based on typical (not actually charged) rents for that type of property: encourages adding value to the property as you wouldn't pay higher rates. Discourages deliberately reducing rents to gain lower rates.
    2. Rates paid by property owners, not renters. Encourages realistic rents as these now include taxes. Particular issue for pubs.
    3. Some relief possible for empty properties, but temporary and not 100%: encourages exploitation and discourages landowners from sitting on property and/or expecting unrealistic rents.
    You are clearly an accountant, or someone who thinks accountants deserve to make money.

    0.49% on all land regardless of use, no exceptions, no reliefs
    My ideas are half arsed, but vaguely thinking of how a surveyor might get a ballpark value or rental figure without visiting the property or considering the condition, using an online calculator. ie type of property, location, square metres etc. No accountants, and importantly, no revaluations required.

    Whatever property tax we come up with needs to be easy to calculate, collect, be able to raise large sums and be affordable.

    A part of my prejudice against LVT is that I think there is a much better case in principle for abolishing private land ownership entirely. Land could be a public good, owned by the collective or state, which leases out exploitation rights on long leases. LVT seems neither one thing or the other.

    0.49% of what?
    Isn't the key to this that is a slow burner. Keep people on the existing system until they move then they can make an educated decision. To make it even better allow councils to vary it by a small percentage +/-0.02% so they can actually do stuff other than pay for old people's arses to be wiped and kids to be kept in private equity care homes.
    Snag with doing it gradually, triggered by a house being sold is that unless everyone pays less under the new system, there's a huge disincentive to move if you live in what is presently an under-taxed house.

    Possibly we could make transferring to the new system voluntary, but put up council tax by 15% annually, thus ensuring that eventually council tax is more expensive for pretty much every house. After say 10 years we could finally bin council tax and deal with the remaining handful of stately homes which were still getting a better deal on council tax.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,711

    Oh. This looks good.


    Cinema Tweets
    @CinemaTweets1

    FIRST LOOK: The Brink of War is an upcoming political thriller about President Reagan's efforts to negotiate nuclear disarmament with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev. Jeff Daniels plays Ronald Reagan & Jared Harris plays Mikhail Gorbachev while J.K. Simmons plays George Shultz.

    https://x.com/CinemaTweets1/status/2075606635813437446

    I have seen the trailer a few weeks ago and think it does look very compelling. Great set of actors as well.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,431
    edited July 10
    Cookie said:

    Just come back from a brilliant evening at Lancs v Yorks in the T20. Genuine sporting entertainment at its best. And for about £15.
    It genuinely baffles me why people prefer football.

    Why do people so often have to accompany appreciation for a sport with the dissing of another one? That's what baffles me.

    But anyway, ok. Too tetchy. Let's play Back Home again and go to bed.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,893
    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    Just come back from a brilliant evening at Lancs v Yorks in the T20. Genuine sporting entertainment at its best. And for about £15.
    It genuinely baffles me why people prefer football.

    Why do people so often have to accompany appreciation for a sport with the dissing of another one? That's what baffles me.

    But anyway, ok. Too tetchy. Let's play Back Home again and go to bed.
    You should try being a fan of League and Union...
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,774

    kinabalu said:

    eek said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Today has done more to convince me than ever before that we live in a country of two-tier policing.

    Which bit specifically?
    +1 - I'm at a loss as to what the police could have done differently today, a person has been arrested and as many questions about race and motive were answered as could be without impeding the case and investigation.
    It's like this, I think.

    These days the police feel they have to disclose the suspect is white - if he is - so as to stop all the racists oiling up for a rumpus.

    The cry then goes up, "ha, see, they tell us when it's a white bloke but if he's black or brown they keep quiet and hope nobody asks".

    Two tier - aka Catch 22.
    Except of course they don't. The new guidelines from earlier in the year were that the police shoukd not withold information on ethnic background unless releasing it would hinder the investigation. The police today followed the guidance and I see no reason for criticism at all.
    There have been some ‘confusing’ cases, such as the rapes that never happened, where the police didn’t reveal the race of the attackers. Obviously. Because they didn’t exist.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,829
    edited July 10
    Cookie said:

    Just come back from a brilliant evening at Lancs v Yorks in the T20. Genuine sporting entertainment at its best. And for about £15.
    It genuinely baffles me why people prefer football.

    Cricket is the equivalent of 3D chess. That's why it's the best type of sport.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,219
    edited July 10
    Bloody hell, Ann Widdecombe was (allegedly) murdered. Newton Abbott is an odd place, but its also a place nought happens.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,958
    edited July 10

    carnforth said:

    MattW said:

    Strand-on-the-Green.

    A good blow by blow account in the Chiswick Calendar of the imbroglio a few days ago.

    "All quiet on the River Front"
    https://chiswickcalendar.co.uk/all-quiet-on-the-river-front/

    Now it is down to 23C here, I'm off for a walk. Have a good evening all, and any of you are watching football.

    Those shelves attached to the railings with the seats did look pretty dubious when combined with the tables. The tables alone seem fine.
    And yet the campaign to save our footpaths totally ignores the actual blockage of the river path by Hammersmith Bridge - when the three pubs by the river get busy, it is impassable, except by filtering through the crowd.

    By contrast, at the Strand On The Green pubs, they don’t block the river path, even in high season.
    OK - you've encouraged me to comment.

    I'm not clear what the "campaign to save our footpaths" consists of exactly? Local Councillors will not of course give time to things outside their areas, and I see so much stuff that I could employ 2 or 3 people part time to deal with just some of it.

    I have taken a personal interest in Thames Path issues in several London Boroughs over the last five years - Greenwich, Hammersmith, Richmond, and now Hounslow. Usually the problem is various ignorant Councillors or Officials trying to do something, and not having a clue what they are doing, or not understanding the implications, in their haste to trip over their own feet to do something that looks good or satisfies a local squeaky wheel. The Hounslow policy, once I dug it out, is quite good - assuming one can respond in detail in mere days.

    Quite often the legal system is set up to make it almost impossible, without a Judicial Review or a High Court action, to impose legality and reality. Council complaints procedures take 12 months or more and then deliver no remedy anyway; they are a waste of time from the pov of making changes.

    The Hammersmith one was around a fuckwitted Thames Path PSPO banning "e-bikes", which is a meaningless term, and was written so that eg 'e-bikes carrying children' were exempt, so Samantha could cycle her kids to school in a cargo bike, but was then committing an offence if she cycled home again. The text has improved since 2020, and now has "EAPCs" and a disabled exception, but it's still poor.

    This stuff is not difficult; like H L Mencken, I just was basic competence on any subject from A to Z. PSPOs are set up to allow bee-in-bonnet Councillors to impose whatever they want on whoever they want with pushback being massively difficult, short of huge legal budgets. I know; we made Mansfield back down on their complete cycling ban after a couple of minor incidents with teenagers. My own Council has used a PSPO to close PROWs, and I have no idea where that is legally.

    Licensing Laws are in some ways similar - the process can be so quick that engagement becomes effectively impossible.

    The Strand-on-the-Green one was fascinating in how a simple request from the Green Councillor "please look at the interest of pedestrians, and check the other pubs" was immediately turned into a culture war based on fake claims and dishonest headlines from the usual media suspects. They went straight for 'Authoritarian Labour / Greens want to ban outside drinking and control your life' and 'Hilton was arrested' (aiui he wasn't - it's like the overhyped Allison Pearson thing).

    That then went from the UK fuckwitted Right to the US fuckwitted Right and back again. They really do need to dig themselves out of this hole of unthink, or they are finished.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,431

    kinabalu said:

    eek said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Today has done more to convince me than ever before that we live in a country of two-tier policing.

    Which bit specifically?
    +1 - I'm at a loss as to what the police could have done differently today, a person has been arrested and as many questions about race and motive were answered as could be without impeding the case and investigation.
    It's like this, I think.

    These days the police feel they have to disclose the suspect is white - if he is - so as to stop all the racists oiling up for a rumpus.

    The cry then goes up, "ha, see, they tell us when it's a white bloke but if he's black or brown they keep quiet and hope nobody asks".

    Two tier - aka Catch 22.
    Except of course they don't. The new guidelines from earlier in the year were that the police shoukd not withold information on ethnic background unless releasing it would hinder the investigation. The police today followed the guidance and I see no reason for criticism at all.
    Indeed and I'm not. In an ideal world the skin colour or ethnicity of a suspect wouldn't be released unless there was a compelling reason for it - ie the opposite of where we are - but this isn't an ideal world.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,958
    edited July 10
    MattW said:

    carnforth said:

    MattW said:

    Strand-on-the-Green.

    A good blow by blow account in the Chiswick Calendar of the imbroglio a few days ago.

    "All quiet on the River Front"
    https://chiswickcalendar.co.uk/all-quiet-on-the-river-front/

    Now it is down to 23C here, I'm off for a walk. Have a good evening all, and any of you are watching football.

    Those shelves attached to the railings with the seats did look pretty dubious when combined with the tables. The tables alone seem fine.
    And yet the campaign to save our footpaths totally ignores the actual blockage of the river path by Hammersmith Bridge - when the three pubs by the river get busy, it is impassable, except by filtering through the crowd.

    By contrast, at the Strand On The Green pubs, they don’t block the river path, even in high season.
    OK - you've encouraged me to comment.

    I'm not clear what the "campaign to save our footpaths" consists of exactly? Local Councillors will not of course give time to things outside their areas, and I see so much stuff that I could employ 2 or 3 people part time to deal with just some of it.

    I have taken a personal interest in Thames Path issues in several London Boroughs over the last five years - Greenwich, Hammersmith, Richmond, and now Hounslow. Usually the problem is various ignorant Councillors or Officials trying to do something, and not having a clue what they are doing, or not understanding the implications, in their haste to trip over their own feet to do something that looks good or satisfies a local squeaky wheel. The Hounslow policy, once I dug it out, is quite good - assuming one can respond in detail in mere days.

    Quite often the legal system is set up to make it almost impossible, without a Judicial Review or a High Court action, to impose legality and reality. Council complaints procedures take 12 months or more and then deliver no remedy anyway; they are a waste of time from the pov of making changes.

    The Hammersmith one was around a fuckwitted Thames Path PSPO banning "e-bikes", which is a meaningless term, and was written so that eg 'e-bikes carrying children' were exempt, so Samantha could cycle her kids to school in a cargo bike, but was then committing an offence if she cycled home again. The text has improved since 2020, and now has "EAPCs" and a disabled exception, but it's still poor.

    This stuff is not difficult; like H L Mencken, I just was basic competence on any subject from A to Z. PSPOs are set up to allow bee-in-bonnet Councillors to impose whatever they want on whoever they want with pushback being massively difficult, short of huge legal budgets. I know; we made Mansfield back down on their complete cycling ban after a couple of minor incidents with teenagers. My own Council has used a PSPO to close PROWs, and I have no idea where that is legally.

    Licensing Laws are in some ways similar - the process can be so quick that engagement becomes effectively impossible.

    The Strand-on-the-Green one was fascinating in how a simple request from the Green Councillor "please look at the interest of pedestrians, and check the other pubs" was immediately turned into a culture war based on fake claims and dishonest headlines from the usual media suspects. They went straight for 'Authoritarian Labour / Greens want to ban outside drinking and control your life' and 'Hilton was arrested' (aiui he wasn't - it's like the overhyped Allison Pearson thing).

    That then went from the UK fuckwitted Right to the US fuckwitted Right and back again. They really do need to dig themselves out of this hole of unthink, or they are finished.
    Typo I just was simple competence ... / I just want simple competence ... .
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,135
    Well, what do ya know. It's the weekend yet again:




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    https://x.com/BarakRavid/status/2075690871509389434
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,739
    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    Just come back from a brilliant evening at Lancs v Yorks in the T20. Genuine sporting entertainment at its best. And for about £15.
    It genuinely baffles me why people prefer football.

    Why do people so often have to accompany appreciation for a sport with the dissing of another one? That's what baffles me.

    But anyway, ok. Too tetchy. Let's play Back Home again and go to bed.
    Well I see your point but try being an enthusiast of any other sport but football between September and May. Football just barges in occupying centre stage. And it's shit. It's 10 parts feeling outraged to one part being entertained. So when football tramples over six weeks of the time it should be minding its own business, it gets a bit exasperating. It's not that I dislike football - though I do - it's that it is so demanding of attention. I was in the cricket club last weekend - the cricket club! - and the T20 had been turned off the telly in favour of some football match.
    I've tried to get into the spirit of the football world.cup, I really have, but it's just ragebait. I don't like the way it makes me feel. No other sport makes me feel so consistently angry. And every other team sport is more entertaining. Football is just nothing happening for lengthy periods. I said the other day it's a poor sport to judge by stats, and whybis this? Because fuck all happens. It's been going on for nearly a month now and the numbet of incudents of sport I can recall are almost zero; all I can remember is a series of howls of outrage and a morass of cheats.

    Sorry. Got a bit exercised there. I'll go away and play the Colourbox World Cup Theme.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,428

    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Today has done more to convince me than ever before that we live in a country of two-tier policing.

    Which bit specifically?
    Because social media today was full of malicious communications re Anne Widdecombe's death but, as far as I'm aware, nobody has been arrested for posting those types of comments. (as it happens, I don't agree with the malicious communications law, because I'm a bit of a free-speech absolutist, other than direct incitation).
    Refering to events like Southport posts that resulted in arrests/convictions were clearly inflammatory. Have there been similar ones today, calling for action? Genuine question. People being nasty about Widdicombe is not the same as posting things that might cause serious events.
    I don't often agree with you Tubbs, but you are absolutely on the money. However disgusting the social media X posts may be about Widdecome no one has attempted to incite others to burn families in their beds in a Holiday Inn.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 6,121
    Andy_JS said:

    Cookie said:

    Just come back from a brilliant evening at Lancs v Yorks in the T20. Genuine sporting entertainment at its best. And for about £15.
    It genuinely baffles me why people prefer football.

    Cricket is the equivalent of 3D chess. That's why it's the best type of sport.
    I only learned to enjoy cricket when it was explained to me as a 'pleasant sound in the background while you have a picnic'.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,829
    New article from John Gray in the New Statesman.

    "The downfall of the Oxbridge don
    British academic life was not prepared for the shocks of student protests and Thatcherism
    By John Gray" (£)

    https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/books/book-of-the-day/2026/07/the-downfall-of-the-oxbridge-don
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,829

    MattW said:

    carnforth said:

    MattW said:

    Strand-on-the-Green.

    A good blow by blow account in the Chiswick Calendar of the imbroglio a few days ago.

    "All quiet on the River Front"
    https://chiswickcalendar.co.uk/all-quiet-on-the-river-front/

    Now it is down to 23C here, I'm off for a walk. Have a good evening all, and any of you are watching football.

    Those shelves attached to the railings with the seats did look pretty dubious when combined with the tables. The tables alone seem fine.
    I'm not going to reopen the debate, but running the whole thing in 2 pubs for decades with no pavement license at all is .... quite something.

    Just the question of whether insurance will be valid.

    I think it will come to a sensible conclusion.
    My questions are more about the police actions. How did they know this chap was in the pub, what he looked like and why did they waste their time telling him he hadn’t broken the law?
    You just feel that a few years ago everyone would have sorted out the problem to everyone's satisfaction without making such a fuss.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,572
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,189
    Andy_JS said:

    New article from John Gray in the New Statesman.

    "The downfall of the Oxbridge don
    British academic life was not prepared for the shocks of student protests and Thatcherism
    By John Gray" (£)

    https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/books/book-of-the-day/2026/07/the-downfall-of-the-oxbridge-don

    Sorry Andy, it's paywalled, and the usual workarounds don't work. Can you make it a gift article?
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,768
    Nigelb said:

    While Dura is about, what is his take on this ?

    Now the Mondial has gone I wanted to talk about my experiences and expenses involved in running a classic Ferrari. A 🧵1/9
    https://x.com/adrianfclarke/status/2075559598308704655

    His experience sounds typical for any car of that age. I recently got into the Ferrari parts game because the 911 market has got ridiculously oversaturated. As an ownership proposition, what I've found is that you get a lot less home "mechanic" / project car issues but the build quality is variable compared to Porsches. OEM part availability is excellent if not cheap... Just got back from the Netherlands via a 26 counties Smuggler's Run to evade VAT on a low km 575M engine that cost as much as a brand new Mini One. I'm putting it in my 575 with the ECU/engine harness from a Superamerica and a Tubi exhaust.

    I don't hate the Mondial and think it's a thrilling drive but old mate is a wanker for getting rid of it to get a fucking Capri.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,768
    kinabalu said:

    Andy_JS said:

    viewcode said:

    I hate to indulge in the trivial when the murder of Ann Widdecombe is still fresh, but I need to moan about a film. IMHO, there are/were three perfect films: Alien, Manhunter, Apocalypse Now. Recently they have been disfigured by "director's cuts": Alien has a variant (not too bad but entirely unnecessary and worse than the original) and Apocalypse Now was ruined by the "Final Cut" (it's just rubbish). Now Michael Mann did the Final Cut for Manhunter and the 4k version is now out, being rereleased in September. The person in the back row silently weeping salty tears will be me. Why can't they leave well enough alone?

    I haven't seen the other two, but Manhunter (1986) is very close to being THE perfect film. Never get tired of watching it.
    I can't think of a film to rival it in the serial killer genre. Unless you count Don't Look Now.
    Holy Spider and Memories of a Murder are both better. IMO.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,485
    Andy_JS said:

    New article from John Gray in the New Statesman.

    "The downfall of the Oxbridge don
    British academic life was not prepared for the shocks of student protests and Thatcherism
    By John Gray" (£)

    https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/books/book-of-the-day/2026/07/the-downfall-of-the-oxbridge-don

    A book has just been published on it I am reading

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Twilight-Dons-British-Intellectuals-Thatcherism/dp/0691188769
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,485
    'Ann Widdecombe's neighbour claims man in hiking clothes appeared in middle of the night'

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/2227926/ann-widdecombe-neighbour-claims-hiking-gear-man-visited
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,189
    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    New article from John Gray in the New Statesman.

    "The downfall of the Oxbridge don
    British academic life was not prepared for the shocks of student protests and Thatcherism
    By John Gray" (£)

    https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/books/book-of-the-day/2026/07/the-downfall-of-the-oxbridge-don

    A book has just been published on it I am reading

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Twilight-Dons-British-Intellectuals-Thatcherism/dp/0691188769
    Interesting. Is it any good?
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