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  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,448
    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    Always wear your seatbelt....

    Man nearly sucked out of window mid-air on Ryanair plane, passengers say
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgk65knkyzdo

    I was going to say that I hope he got a refund but given it was Ryanair they are more likely to invoice him for the cost of replacing the window.
    It just shows why it’s a bad idea to charge extra for the seatbelt.
    Reminds me of one of my favourite jokes.
    Michael O'Leary goes into a bar in Dublin and asks how much is a pint of Guinness.
    "3 Euros" replies the barman.
    "Wow," says O'Leary, "that must be the cheapest Guinness in Dublin".
    "Yes indeed," says the barman, "Would you be wanting a glass with that?"
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,765
    Probably just making sure to put our minds at rest.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,561
    edited 2:33PM

    Police investigating Ann Widdecombe’s death
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/07/10/police-investigating-ann-widdecombe-death/ (£££)


    POLICE are investigating the sudden death of Ann Widdecombe over fears she was murdered, it emerged today.

    The 78-year-old former Tory minister turned Reform UK politician was found dead at her Dartmoor home in Devon, on Thursday.

    It is understood she was found covered in blood after sustaining a serious head wound.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/39714312/ann-widdecombe-dead-police-suspicious/

    Always disappointing when a politician has an ugly house. Shades of Sturgeon.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,448

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Pulpstar said:

    algarkirk said:

    Taz said:

    More wisdom after the event from Labour figures about Gaza desperate to ingratiate themselves with Burnham

    This time James Murray.

    I fully expect an Israel-sceptic Labour Party going forward. Gone is the uncritical support of the Far Right Israeli govt..

    Got to get the progressives back online.

    “ 'By the time we called for a ceasefire in Gaza, as an opposition party, it felt to me that it was overdue,' says Health Secretary @jamesmurray_ldn”

    https://x.com/skynews/status/2075468833301668163?s=61

    Oh, and thanks Robert.

    I wonder what broad and general government position and policy on Israel and its relations with the Arab/Islamic world, WRT both words and deeds, would command a reasonable degree of assent from the UK population?

    I don't think the general UK population cares about Gaza, nor do they give two hoots about Israel either.
    In fairness its pretty mutual. Neither the residents of Gaza nor Israel are likely to spend any time caring what we think.
    Though strangely Israel/Israelis seem to expend large amounts of effort and cash to influence opinion in the UK.
    Do you think Westminster, Holyrood and Cardiff are the only governments who waste money?
    I dare say Bibi considers months and months of Starmer & co wibbling and prevaricating over Gaza as money well spent. Israel having the right to cut off power and water to Gaza would have been a high point.
    You are assuming that there is a cause and effect here but wibbling and prevaricating is all that Starmer has done for 2 years. He really doesn't need any help, well he does, but you know what I mean.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,689

    Police investigating Ann Widdecombe’s death
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/07/10/police-investigating-ann-widdecombe-death/ (£££)


    POLICE are investigating the sudden death of Ann Widdecombe over fears she was murdered, it emerged today.

    The 78-year-old former Tory minister turned Reform UK politician was found dead at her Dartmoor home in Devon, on Thursday.

    It is understood she was found covered in blood after sustaining a serious head wound.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/39714312/ann-widdecombe-dead-police-suspicious/

    I just saw that too.
    WTF.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,448
    carnforth said:

    Police investigating Ann Widdecombe’s death
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/07/10/police-investigating-ann-widdecombe-death/ (£££)


    POLICE are investigating the sudden death of Ann Widdecombe over fears she was murdered, it emerged today.

    The 78-year-old former Tory minister turned Reform UK politician was found dead at her Dartmoor home in Devon, on Thursday.

    It is understood she was found covered in blood after sustaining a serious head wound.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/39714312/ann-widdecombe-dead-police-suspicious/

    Always disappointing when a politician has an ugly house. Shades of Sturgeon.
    But Sturgeon had the advantage of never noticing.
  • SandraMcSandraMc Posts: 867
    edited 2:40PM
    Fery sinking at Wimbledon.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,561
    Nigelb said:

    Police investigating Ann Widdecombe’s death
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/07/10/police-investigating-ann-widdecombe-death/ (£££)


    POLICE are investigating the sudden death of Ann Widdecombe over fears she was murdered, it emerged today.

    The 78-year-old former Tory minister turned Reform UK politician was found dead at her Dartmoor home in Devon, on Thursday.

    It is understood she was found covered in blood after sustaining a serious head wound.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/39714312/ann-widdecombe-dead-police-suspicious/

    I just saw that too.
    WTF.
    Though she was discovered by a carer. So if she needed carers, she may have been frail, and it could just be a fall down the stairs for example.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,763
    carnforth said:

    Police investigating Ann Widdecombe’s death
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/07/10/police-investigating-ann-widdecombe-death/ (£££)


    POLICE are investigating the sudden death of Ann Widdecombe over fears she was murdered, it emerged today.

    The 78-year-old former Tory minister turned Reform UK politician was found dead at her Dartmoor home in Devon, on Thursday.

    It is understood she was found covered in blood after sustaining a serious head wound.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/39714312/ann-widdecombe-dead-police-suspicious/

    Always disappointing when a politician has an ugly house. Shades of Sturgeon.
    I think 'ugly' is a bit harsh. It looks a bit dated to modern eyes is all.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 48,189
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Pulpstar said:

    algarkirk said:

    Taz said:

    More wisdom after the event from Labour figures about Gaza desperate to ingratiate themselves with Burnham

    This time James Murray.

    I fully expect an Israel-sceptic Labour Party going forward. Gone is the uncritical support of the Far Right Israeli govt..

    Got to get the progressives back online.

    “ 'By the time we called for a ceasefire in Gaza, as an opposition party, it felt to me that it was overdue,' says Health Secretary @jamesmurray_ldn”

    https://x.com/skynews/status/2075468833301668163?s=61

    Oh, and thanks Robert.

    I wonder what broad and general government position and policy on Israel and its relations with the Arab/Islamic world, WRT both words and deeds, would command a reasonable degree of assent from the UK population?

    I don't think the general UK population cares about Gaza, nor do they give two hoots about Israel either.
    In fairness its pretty mutual. Neither the residents of Gaza nor Israel are likely to spend any time caring what we think.
    Though strangely Israel/Israelis seem to expend large amounts of effort and cash to influence opinion in the UK.
    Do you think Westminster, Holyrood and Cardiff are the only governments who waste money?
    I dare say Bibi considers months and months of Starmer & co wibbling and prevaricating over Gaza as money well spent. Israel having the right to cut off power and water to Gaza would have been a high point.
    You are assuming that there is a cause and effect here but wibbling and prevaricating is all that Starmer has done for 2 years. He really doesn't need any help, well he does, but you know what I mean.
    I wouldn’t be so crass as to suggest that Starmer could be bribed, but lobbying is about getting a voice at the big table. On the cushion that takes the shape of the last arse that sat on him metric, pretty sure Starmer would be shaped by arses that have funded him and his cabinet to the tune of £100,000s.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,689
    carnforth said:

    Nigelb said:

    Police investigating Ann Widdecombe’s death
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/07/10/police-investigating-ann-widdecombe-death/ (£££)


    POLICE are investigating the sudden death of Ann Widdecombe over fears she was murdered, it emerged today.

    The 78-year-old former Tory minister turned Reform UK politician was found dead at her Dartmoor home in Devon, on Thursday.

    It is understood she was found covered in blood after sustaining a serious head wound.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/39714312/ann-widdecombe-dead-police-suspicious/

    I just saw that too.
    WTF.
    Though she was discovered by a carer. So if she needed carers, she may have been frail, and it could just be a fall down the stairs for example.
    If true, not the worst of ways to go.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,805
    Shocking news re the reports about Ann Widdecombe.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 6,407
    edited 2:51PM
    carnforth said:

    Nigelb said:

    Police investigating Ann Widdecombe’s death
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/07/10/police-investigating-ann-widdecombe-death/ (£££)


    POLICE are investigating the sudden death of Ann Widdecombe over fears she was murdered, it emerged today.

    The 78-year-old former Tory minister turned Reform UK politician was found dead at her Dartmoor home in Devon, on Thursday.

    It is understood she was found covered in blood after sustaining a serious head wound.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/39714312/ann-widdecombe-dead-police-suspicious/

    I just saw that too.
    WTF.
    Though she was discovered by a carer. So if she needed carers, she may have been frail, and it could just be a fall down the stairs for example.
    The BBC have promoted to top story. Even as a bit of breaking news that strikes me that it could be something more than 'checking over a fall'. I rather hope I'm wrong and you're right.

    EDIT: BBC headline updated to "Police launch murder investigation" - male suspect
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,561
    Pro_Rata said:

    carnforth said:

    Nigelb said:

    Police investigating Ann Widdecombe’s death
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/07/10/police-investigating-ann-widdecombe-death/ (£££)


    POLICE are investigating the sudden death of Ann Widdecombe over fears she was murdered, it emerged today.

    The 78-year-old former Tory minister turned Reform UK politician was found dead at her Dartmoor home in Devon, on Thursday.

    It is understood she was found covered in blood after sustaining a serious head wound.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/39714312/ann-widdecombe-dead-police-suspicious/

    I just saw that too.
    WTF.
    Though she was discovered by a carer. So if she needed carers, she may have been frail, and it could just be a fall down the stairs for example.
    The BBC have promoted to top story. Even as a bit of breaking news that strikes me that it could be something more than 'checking over a fall'. I rather hope I'm wrong and you're right.
    Sadly, it may turn out that naming the house "Widdecombe's rest" with a bloody pig plaque on the garden wall was a poor idea.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 48,189
    SandraMc said:

    Fery sinking at Wimbledon.

    Does he become French or British?

    Zverev looks a beast, would fancy him in the final in this form.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,403
    SandraMc said:

    Fery sinking at Wimbledon.

    Zverev showing no Mersey.
  • SandraMcSandraMc Posts: 867
    carnforth said:

    Nigelb said:

    Police investigating Ann Widdecombe’s death
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/07/10/police-investigating-ann-widdecombe-death/ (£££)


    POLICE are investigating the sudden death of Ann Widdecombe over fears she was murdered, it emerged today.

    The 78-year-old former Tory minister turned Reform UK politician was found dead at her Dartmoor home in Devon, on Thursday.

    It is understood she was found covered in blood after sustaining a serious head wound.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/39714312/ann-widdecombe-dead-police-suspicious/

    I just saw that too.
    WTF.
    Though she was discovered by a carer. So if she needed carers, she may have been frail, and it could just be a fall down the stairs for example.
    Regarding stairs, it was a bungalow. But it might have been a split level bungalow. My mother lived in a bungalow but there were three steps between the living room and the kitchen.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,763
    SandraMc said:

    carnforth said:

    Nigelb said:

    Police investigating Ann Widdecombe’s death
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/07/10/police-investigating-ann-widdecombe-death/ (£££)


    POLICE are investigating the sudden death of Ann Widdecombe over fears she was murdered, it emerged today.

    The 78-year-old former Tory minister turned Reform UK politician was found dead at her Dartmoor home in Devon, on Thursday.

    It is understood she was found covered in blood after sustaining a serious head wound.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/39714312/ann-widdecombe-dead-police-suspicious/

    I just saw that too.
    WTF.
    Though she was discovered by a carer. So if she needed carers, she may have been frail, and it could just be a fall down the stairs for example.
    Regarding stairs, it was a bungalow. But it might have been a split level bungalow. My mother lived in a bungalow but there were three steps between the living room and the kitchen.
    The picture in the Sun shows at least part of it had a second story.
  • SandraMcSandraMc Posts: 867
    Fery out.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,561
    edited 2:53PM
    Police looking for white male suspect. Sounds a lot more certain now.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,403

    SandraMc said:

    Fery sinking at Wimbledon.

    Zverev showing no Mersey.
    Such is life.

    7-6, 6-2, 6-4
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,876
    Apparently they're looking for a male suspect. Sounds like it’s a bit more than crossing the t’s and dotting the i’s.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,689
    Pro_Rata said:

    carnforth said:

    Nigelb said:

    Police investigating Ann Widdecombe’s death
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/07/10/police-investigating-ann-widdecombe-death/ (£££)


    POLICE are investigating the sudden death of Ann Widdecombe over fears she was murdered, it emerged today.

    The 78-year-old former Tory minister turned Reform UK politician was found dead at her Dartmoor home in Devon, on Thursday.

    It is understood she was found covered in blood after sustaining a serious head wound.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/39714312/ann-widdecombe-dead-police-suspicious/

    I just saw that too.
    WTF.
    Though she was discovered by a carer. So if she needed carers, she may have been frail, and it could just be a fall down the stairs for example.
    The BBC have promoted to top story. Even as a bit of breaking news that strikes me that it could be something more than 'checking over a fall'. I rather hope I'm wrong and you're right.

    EDIT: BBC headline updated to "Police launch murder investigation" - male suspect
    "Our murder enquiry is moving at a significant pace" doesn't sound like a fall investigation.
    Damn.
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 2,351
    SandraMc said:

    Fery sinking at Wimbledon.

    SNP BAAAD
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,474
    Andy_JS said:

    Shocking news re the reports about Ann Widdecombe.

    Yes, absolutely terrible news if true but we must let the police investigation run its course
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,763

    SandraMc said:

    Fery sinking at Wimbledon.

    Zverev showing no Mersey.
    Such is life.

    7-6, 6-2, 6-4
    Bloody amazing run and came up against the French Open winner playing really well. The key for Fery will be how he kicks on from here. Top 10 is not out the question (and if Draper can get back to fitness we could have two in the top ten).
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,805
    "Devon and Cornwall Police have launched a murder investigation after the death of Ann Widdecombe.

    Police officers were called to an address at Haytor, in Dartmoor, at around 11.40am on Thursday.

    The force said Widdecombe was found dead at the property and had sustained serious injuries. "

    https://news.sky.com/story/politics-latest-burnham-starmer-labour-tories-badenoch-farage-12593360
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 80,001

    SandraMc said:

    Fery sinking at Wimbledon.

    Zverev showing no Mersey.
    Such is life.

    7-6, 6-2, 6-4
    A shame, given what a disgusting person Zverev is. I was hoping Fery would wallop him.

    Hopefully Sinner or Djokovic will oblige instead.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 23,295

    Police investigating Ann Widdecombe’s death
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/07/10/police-investigating-ann-widdecombe-death/ (£££)


    POLICE are investigating the sudden death of Ann Widdecombe over fears she was murdered, it emerged today.

    The 78-year-old former Tory minister turned Reform UK politician was found dead at her Dartmoor home in Devon, on Thursday.

    It is understood she was found covered in blood after sustaining a serious head wound.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/39714312/ann-widdecombe-dead-police-suspicious/

    Gosh, how awful (if she was murdered)

    RIP.
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,959
    edited 3:01PM

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Pulpstar said:

    algarkirk said:

    Taz said:

    More wisdom after the event from Labour figures about Gaza desperate to ingratiate themselves with Burnham

    This time James Murray.

    I fully expect an Israel-sceptic Labour Party going forward. Gone is the uncritical support of the Far Right Israeli govt..

    Got to get the progressives back online.

    “ 'By the time we called for a ceasefire in Gaza, as an opposition party, it felt to me that it was overdue,' says Health Secretary @jamesmurray_ldn”

    https://x.com/skynews/status/2075468833301668163?s=61

    Oh, and thanks Robert.

    I wonder what broad and general government position and policy on Israel and its relations with the Arab/Islamic world, WRT both words and deeds, would command a reasonable degree of assent from the UK population?

    I don't think the general UK population cares about Gaza, nor do they give two hoots about Israel either.
    In fairness its pretty mutual. Neither the residents of Gaza nor Israel are likely to spend any time caring what we think.
    Though strangely Israel/Israelis seem to expend large amounts of effort and cash to influence opinion in the UK.
    Do you think Westminster, Holyrood and Cardiff are the only governments who waste money?
    I dare say Bibi considers months and months of Starmer & co wibbling and prevaricating over Gaza as money well spent. Israel having the right to cut off power and water to Gaza would have been a high point.
    You are assuming that there is a cause and effect here but wibbling and prevaricating is all that Starmer has done for 2 years. He really doesn't need any help, well he does, but you know what I mean.
    I wouldn’t be so crass as to suggest that Starmer could be bribed, but lobbying is about getting a voice at the big table. On the cushion that takes the shape of the last arse that sat on him metric, pretty sure Starmer would be shaped by arses that have funded him and his cabinet to the tune of £100,000s.
    Its all around parliament. Plenty of MPs benefit from their friendship with Israel (CFI, LFI) meaning all expenses paid trips to the state and a good wedge for their election funds.

    https://www.trackisraellobby.uk/.
  • KnightOutKnightOut Posts: 284

    Andy_JS said:

    Dopermean said:

    Listened to Jo White, Labour MP for Bassetlaw '24 intake, on WATO.
    Campaigned as Labour, elected as Labour but wants Reform UK policies, I think because her constituents voted Reform in the council elections but possibly she's also quite Reform minded.

    It's disappointing that someone elected on the Labour manifesto isn't prepared to campaign for it once elected, I think she should just join Reform.


    But this is the future of UK politics. All parties becoming more like Reform. Even Ed Davey complained about the plans to remove Churchill from banknotes.
    Andy, politics is cyclical. What goes around comes around. Team Farage is not the long term future of British politics. Mind you authoritarians only have to win once...
    I think you might want to do a bit of research around authoritarianism. Banter bans, shutting down unfriendly media, blashphemy laws, rozzers coming round to warn you off saying anything too fruity, a papers please society - these are some of the accoutrements of actual authoritarianism. If your dictionary definition of authoritarian just says 'someone who once said something nice about Putin', perhaps you should upgrade from the Fisher Price edition.

    Indeed. I have no time whatsoever for Farage, and he's far from the 'Libertarian' he once dubiously claimed to be, but the most egregious examples of Authoritarianism are almost always to be found on the left.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,832
    No longer a vacancy for plucky British loser....
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 14,575
    Horrible news about Widdecombe. Assaults on elderly and/or vulnerable people disturbs me just as those on young children.
  • AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 4,172
    Absolutely shocking news about Anne Widdecombe.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,561

    No longer a vacancy for plucky British loser....

    Rather rude to Ann.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,765
    Nigelb said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    carnforth said:

    Nigelb said:

    Police investigating Ann Widdecombe’s death
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/07/10/police-investigating-ann-widdecombe-death/ (£££)


    POLICE are investigating the sudden death of Ann Widdecombe over fears she was murdered, it emerged today.

    The 78-year-old former Tory minister turned Reform UK politician was found dead at her Dartmoor home in Devon, on Thursday.

    It is understood she was found covered in blood after sustaining a serious head wound.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/39714312/ann-widdecombe-dead-police-suspicious/

    I just saw that too.
    WTF.
    Though she was discovered by a carer. So if she needed carers, she may have been frail, and it could just be a fall down the stairs for example.
    The BBC have promoted to top story. Even as a bit of breaking news that strikes me that it could be something more than 'checking over a fall'. I rather hope I'm wrong and you're right.

    EDIT: BBC headline updated to "Police launch murder investigation" - male suspect
    "Our murder enquiry is moving at a significant pace" doesn't sound like a fall investigation.
    Damn.
    They do have to interview 25 million suspects.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,832

    Absolutely shocking news about Anne Widdecombe.

    Too soon...
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,763
    ydoethur said:

    SandraMc said:

    Fery sinking at Wimbledon.

    Zverev showing no Mersey.
    Such is life.

    7-6, 6-2, 6-4
    A shame, given what a disgusting person Zverev is. I was hoping Fery would wallop him.

    Hopefully Sinner or Djokovic will oblige instead.
    Whats the goss on Zverev?
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