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  • eekeek Posts: 34,488
    MattW said:

    Eabhal said:

    rcs1000 said:

    A good news story:

    "Plans for large solar farm rejected"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgdy1x9wglo

    On greenbelt. Get to feck.

    All those people facing higher electricity bills will thank you for your help in this matter.
    But lower food bills
    80 hectares in the NE of England* is not going to put a dent in global food prices. Nor is the solar farm in energy prices tbf, but there are other reasons why you might value that more than the other.

    * rated only moderate for agricultural value, no SSSI etc etc
    It was well-argued opposition to it.

    I think they need to reconsider then come back with a modified proposal.

    It could be made acceptable in planning terms.

    https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/26264886.seaham-solar-park-plans-refused-durham-county-council/
    I would love to hear the person who wrote in saying the solar farm would provide (long term) jobs. Sorry mate it's a few jobs for a few months max..
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 14,581
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    rcs1000 said:

    Eabhal said:

    rcs1000 said:

    A good news story:

    "Plans for large solar farm rejected"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgdy1x9wglo

    On greenbelt. Get to feck.

    All those people facing higher electricity bills will thank you for your help in this matter.
    But lower food bills
    80 hectares in the NE of England* is not going to put a dent in global food prices. Nor is the solar farm in energy prices tbf, but there are other reasons why you might value that more than the other.

    * rated only moderate for agricultural value, no SSSI etc etc
    Trouble is that, if you live on or in the green belt, its main value is that you, personally, don't have any development around you. And whilst Bart's "if you don't own it, you don't get a say in what happens to it" has an elegant simplicity, it's not where we are and good luck winning an election on that platform.

    And I suspect that even if you offered people free energy bills forever, they would still rather not have the development.
    Here's the thing: the Green Belt is just a subsidy from people who don't own their homes, and towards people who do own homes on the edge of large towns and cities.

    I find that quite morally hard to justify.
    Mitigated somewhat in Scotland by right to roam. Even without that, I get immense pleasure from walking in the Lake District or cycling through the NE of England , so it’s not without value to those who live elsewhere.

    This field in Seaham does not qualify however.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 48,192
    Cookie said:

    HYUFD said:

    Conservative leader Kemi Badenoch has been responding to the news of the police’s murder investigation into the death of Ann Widdecombe.

    “I’ve been stunned to hear this awful news," she says during a visit to Portsmouth.

    “To be honest, I’ve really struggled to find the words.

    “Ann Widdecombe was a very fun and feisty woman who spoke her mind.

    “She was 78 years old. She was an elderly woman. I don’t understand how someone could do something so horrific to an elderly person.

    “It was a nasty, horrific attack. My heart is breaking for her family."

    Badenoch continues: “It is one thing when someone dies but to know they have been murdered in this horrible way is just awful.

    “The Conservative Party is reeling.

    “I want to convey my condolences to Nigel Farage and to everyone in Reform on behalf of the Conservatives because we’ve both lost a friend.”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cp9l8l05vxet

    Kemi not holding back on the speculating then.
    None of that looks to be speculating to me, nor unreasonable in any way.
    Plod have caught someone, accused them of murder and tried and convicted them? Top work by the boys in blue!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,482
    edited 4:24PM
    Andy_JS said:

    "Madeline Grant
    @Madz_Grant

    Adam Boulton talking mean-spiritedly about Ann Widdecombe in front of what looks like a picture of himself. He describes her – a possible murder victim – as a 'spinster', a 'battleaxe', 'a bruiser', an 'old maid', and mentions her virginity, before speculating irresponsibly about her death. Horrible, horrible stuff"

    https://x.com/Madz_Grant/status/2075611852818563408

    Boulton of course had an affair with then married Anji Hunter, political assistant to Tony Blair
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,697
    Land of the Free.

    A woman registered for a public JD Vance event using the official signup form, got a confirmation on White House letterhead, and stood in line for thirty minutes before five people, two of them armed Secret Service agents, pulled her out by name and told her, "we know where you stand."

    Her offense was running a cat meme Instagram account with two million followers. The ACLU is now suing the Executive Office of the President and the Secret Service over it, and the strongest detail in the whole complaint is not the ejection itself. It is that Secret Service agents apparently monitor a satire account closely enough to recognize its founder on sight in a rope line in Bangor, Maine.

    Vance called his own 2021 cat ladies comment one of the dumbest things he has ever said. He was right the first time. Weaponizing federal security personnel against the woman who turned that quote into a punchline is a worse unforced error than the original one.

    https://x.com/micyoung75/status/2075324362597482926
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,568
    Nigelb said:

    Land of the Free.

    A woman registered for a public JD Vance event using the official signup form, got a confirmation on White House letterhead, and stood in line for thirty minutes before five people, two of them armed Secret Service agents, pulled her out by name and told her, "we know where you stand."

    Her offense was running a cat meme Instagram account with two million followers. The ACLU is now suing the Executive Office of the President and the Secret Service over it, and the strongest detail in the whole complaint is not the ejection itself. It is that Secret Service agents apparently monitor a satire account closely enough to recognize its founder on sight in a rope line in Bangor, Maine.

    Vance called his own 2021 cat ladies comment one of the dumbest things he has ever said. He was right the first time. Weaponizing federal security personnel against the woman who turned that quote into a punchline is a worse unforced error than the original one.

    https://x.com/micyoung75/status/2075324362597482926

    Probably not his error in the second case, though. The secret service would do that without his direction.
  • SandraMcSandraMc Posts: 868
    Whatever you think about Ann Widdecombe's opinions - and I disagree with 95 per cent of them - a number of people have said that although she was often trunculent in debate, she was personally very affable. She did a roadshow some years ago with the gay Conservative blogger Iain Dale and there was such a rapport between them that one member of the audience asked if they were an item!
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,531

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    rcs1000 said:

    A good news story:

    "Plans for large solar farm rejected"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgdy1x9wglo

    On greenbelt. Get to feck.

    All those people facing higher electricity bills will thank you for your help in this matter.
    But lower food bills
    80 hectares in the NE of England* is not going to put a dent in global food prices. Nor is the solar farm in energy prices tbf, but there are other reasons why you might value that more than the other.

    * rated only moderate for agricultural value, no SSSI etc etc
    Trouble is that, if you live on or in the green belt, its main value is that you, personally, don't have any development around you. And whilst Bart's "if you don't own it, you don't get a say in what happens to it" has an elegant simplicity, it's not where we are and good luck winning an election on that platform.

    And I suspect that even if you offered people free energy bills forever, they would still rather not have the development.
    Agree - though I think from the evidence in things like vouchers for walking 10,000 steps, people have irrationally large positive responses to even small incentives.

    And free year-round energy from living close to the local solar farm is a pretty big incentive.
    A solar farm, like a battery energy storage site, is a pretty benign form of development as far as things go.

    Compare to a sewage works, pig farm, factory, housing estate, quarry or landfill site. Most people would choose the solar farm every time in preference.
    Scientology re-education centre, OnlyFans location house, FPV military training area…
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,415
    edited 4:29PM

    HYUFD said:

    PM Starmer now speaking says the most important thing is for the public to help the police arrest as quickly as possible the dangerous man who committed this act and come forward with any information. Starmer has already spoken to Farage and Burnham and the Chief Constable and sends his condolences to Ann Widdecombe's family and friends.

    Starmer won't be drawn yet on whether this was a politically motivated assassination as with the murders of MPs Jo Cox and David Amess

    Nor should he. Assuming he knows not much more than we do, making any statement that might imply it was politically motivated would be terrible behaviour.

    We will know soon enough and really it makes bugger all difference to the fact that an elderly lady has been killed (assuming it turns out it was murder)
    Even if Starmer does know much more than we do, even if he has been told that the police have a pretty shrewd idea of who, what and why, such a statement would still be pretty terrible. If this case goes to trial, we will find out soon enough.
    Paddy O'Connell on R4 PM didn't have Starmer on, but instead had Prime Minister-in-waiting Kemi Badenoch on for her opinion.

    Shouldn't X post immigration jockeys be complaining that the Police have released information that the perp is white?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,817
    VIdeo clip of Adam Boulton talking about Ann Widdecombe.

    https://x.com/ArchRose90/status/2075617079617531967/video/1
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,204
    Saw this morning about Widdecombe and thought sad, RIP. Truly shocked to get online now and see it was murder, did not see that coming.

    Hope the Police catch the perpetrator.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,830
    rcs1000 said:

    Eabhal said:

    rcs1000 said:

    A good news story:

    "Plans for large solar farm rejected"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgdy1x9wglo

    On greenbelt. Get to feck.

    All those people facing higher electricity bills will thank you for your help in this matter.
    But lower food bills
    80 hectares in the NE of England* is not going to put a dent in global food prices. Nor is the solar farm in energy prices tbf, but there are other reasons why you might value that more than the other.

    * rated only moderate for agricultural value, no SSSI etc etc
    Trouble is that, if you live on or in the green belt, its main value is that you, personally, don't have any development around you. And whilst Bart's "if you don't own it, you don't get a say in what happens to it" has an elegant simplicity, it's not where we are and good luck winning an election on that platform.

    And I suspect that even if you offered people free energy bills forever, they would still rather not have the development.
    Here's the thing: the Green Belt is just a subsidy from people who don't own their homes, and towards people who do own homes on the edge of large towns and cities.

    I find that quite morally hard to justify.
    The motivation for the creation of the green belt was more a sort of luddite opposition to the growth of towns and cities, but it's survived so long because most people prefer fields to buildings.

    It's the combination of green belt with opposition to high housing densities - everyone naturally wanting a detached house with garden - that produces problems. You can have one, but having both is problematic, unless you shrink the population to roughly the level at the time the green belt was established.

    I think it's a symptom of the prevailing culture in Britain where what British people hate most is other people. This recent article in the Southern Star would be unthinkable in Britain.

    https://www.southernstar.ie/subscriber-exclusives/relaxed-planning-rules-a-lifeline-for-rural-housing-4357522

    Relaxed planning rules a lifeline for rural housing

    NEW planning guidelines relaxing rules around rural one-off housing have been given a broad welcome in West Cork.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,415
    edited 4:36PM
    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Madeline Grant
    @Madz_Grant

    Adam Boulton talking mean-spiritedly about Ann Widdecombe in front of what looks like a picture of himself. He describes her – a possible murder victim – as a 'spinster', a 'battleaxe', 'a bruiser', an 'old maid', and mentions her virginity, before speculating irresponsibly about her death. Horrible, horrible stuff"

    https://x.com/Madz_Grant/status/2075611852818563408

    Boulton of course had an affair with then married Anji Hunter, political assistant to Tony Blair
    Isn't Bunter (Boulton) married to an ex Blair aide now?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,484
    Nigelb said:

    Land of the Free.

    A woman registered for a public JD Vance event using the official signup form, got a confirmation on White House letterhead, and stood in line for thirty minutes before five people, two of them armed Secret Service agents, pulled her out by name and told her, "we know where you stand."

    Her offense was running a cat meme Instagram account with two million followers. The ACLU is now suing the Executive Office of the President and the Secret Service over it, and the strongest detail in the whole complaint is not the ejection itself. It is that Secret Service agents apparently monitor a satire account closely enough to recognize its founder on sight in a rope line in Bangor, Maine.

    Vance called his own 2021 cat ladies comment one of the dumbest things he has ever said. He was right the first time. Weaponizing federal security personnel against the woman who turned that quote into a punchline is a worse unforced error than the original one.

    https://x.com/micyoung75/status/2075324362597482926

    They like to mock our own free speech levels, and there's some fairness to it, but they aren't above a bit of intimidation to suppress commentary.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,482
    ydoethur said:

    SandraMc said:

    Whatever you think about Ann Widdecombe's opinions - and I disagree with 95 per cent of them - a number of people have said that although she was often trunculent in debate, she was personally very affable. She did a roadshow some years ago with the gay Conservative blogger Iain Dale and there was such a rapport between them that one member of the audience asked if they were an item!

    Dale's own words on Tatchell's less than edifying tweet:

    I will curb my language but that tweet is disgusting. You profess to be an advocate of human rights, and the right to be treated with dignity after death is a basic human right everyone should have, yet you rejoice in her death. Yes, her religion guided her views on equality issues, and I had many disagreements with her, but as a gay man I counted her as a friend, as did many others. She was actually a profoundly kind person. She endorsed my candidacy knowing of my sexuality. She softened her views on equal marriage and told me in 2019 she would not support reversing it.
    So be ashamed of yourself today, Peter. You do some great work, but in this instance it's you that's the bigot. Bigoted against the dead, and bringing upset to those of us who counted Ann as a friend. Think on that.


    https://x.com/IainDale/status/2075585263984672941
    Tatchell now backtracking fast

    https://x.com/PeterTatchell/status/2075610449765126544?s=20
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,484

    rcs1000 said:

    Eabhal said:

    rcs1000 said:

    A good news story:

    "Plans for large solar farm rejected"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgdy1x9wglo

    On greenbelt. Get to feck.

    All those people facing higher electricity bills will thank you for your help in this matter.
    But lower food bills
    80 hectares in the NE of England* is not going to put a dent in global food prices. Nor is the solar farm in energy prices tbf, but there are other reasons why you might value that more than the other.

    * rated only moderate for agricultural value, no SSSI etc etc
    Trouble is that, if you live on or in the green belt, its main value is that you, personally, don't have any development around you. And whilst Bart's "if you don't own it, you don't get a say in what happens to it" has an elegant simplicity, it's not where we are and good luck winning an election on that platform.

    And I suspect that even if you offered people free energy bills forever, they would still rather not have the development.
    Here's the thing: the Green Belt is just a subsidy from people who don't own their homes, and towards people who do own homes on the edge of large towns and cities.

    I find that quite morally hard to justify.
    The motivation for the creation of the green belt was more a sort of luddite opposition to the growth of towns and cities, but it's survived so long because most people prefer fields to buildings.

    It's the combination of green belt with opposition to high housing densities - everyone naturally wanting a detached house with garden - that produces problems. You can have one, but having both is problematic, unless you shrink the population to roughly the level at the time the green belt was established.

    I think it's a symptom of the prevailing culture in Britain where what British people hate most is other people. This recent article in the Southern Star would be unthinkable in Britain.

    https://www.southernstar.ie/subscriber-exclusives/relaxed-planning-rules-a-lifeline-for-rural-housing-4357522

    Relaxed planning rules a lifeline for rural housing

    NEW planning guidelines relaxing rules around rural one-off housing have been given a broad welcome in West Cork.
    It flipped the expectation that town growth was an ok thing, and now our culture is outright hostile to any type of construction. Yes, even not on green belt.

    It infuriates me but it won't change, parties occasionally make noises about changing things but there's too many votes to be lost to actually follow through.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,697
    While Dura is about, what is his take on this ?

    Now the Mondial has gone I wanted to talk about my experiences and expenses involved in running a classic Ferrari. A 🧵1/9
    https://x.com/adrianfclarke/status/2075559598308704655
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,960
    carnforth said:

    Nigelb said:

    Land of the Free.

    A woman registered for a public JD Vance event using the official signup form, got a confirmation on White House letterhead, and stood in line for thirty minutes before five people, two of them armed Secret Service agents, pulled her out by name and told her, "we know where you stand."

    Her offense was running a cat meme Instagram account with two million followers. The ACLU is now suing the Executive Office of the President and the Secret Service over it, and the strongest detail in the whole complaint is not the ejection itself. It is that Secret Service agents apparently monitor a satire account closely enough to recognize its founder on sight in a rope line in Bangor, Maine.

    Vance called his own 2021 cat ladies comment one of the dumbest things he has ever said. He was right the first time. Weaponizing federal security personnel against the woman who turned that quote into a punchline is a worse unforced error than the original one.

    https://x.com/micyoung75/status/2075324362597482926

    Probably not his error in the second case, though. The secret service would do that without his direction.
    Presume this is automated, scraping every social site, correlating and pushing the insights to a shiny dashboard. Not easy being a subversive in the tech age,
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,697
    Why is it always heavily odds on that the next vote fixing story will involve Republicans ?

    Three Florida Republicans were just charged with creating a fake voter guide to steal an election.

    They did not hack the machines. They did not stuff the ballot box. They printed a fake Republican voter guide, made it look nearly identical to the real one, and mailed it to tens of thousands of voters before a 2024 primary.

    It worked. An incumbent won by fewer than 1,000 votes. Now three elected officials in St. Johns County, Florida are facing criminal charges for it.

    https://x.com/Gianl1974/status/2075500150286426267
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,484
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    SandraMc said:

    Whatever you think about Ann Widdecombe's opinions - and I disagree with 95 per cent of them - a number of people have said that although she was often trunculent in debate, she was personally very affable. She did a roadshow some years ago with the gay Conservative blogger Iain Dale and there was such a rapport between them that one member of the audience asked if they were an item!

    Dale's own words on Tatchell's less than edifying tweet:

    I will curb my language but that tweet is disgusting. You profess to be an advocate of human rights, and the right to be treated with dignity after death is a basic human right everyone should have, yet you rejoice in her death. Yes, her religion guided her views on equality issues, and I had many disagreements with her, but as a gay man I counted her as a friend, as did many others. She was actually a profoundly kind person. She endorsed my candidacy knowing of my sexuality. She softened her views on equal marriage and told me in 2019 she would not support reversing it.
    So be ashamed of yourself today, Peter. You do some great work, but in this instance it's you that's the bigot. Bigoted against the dead, and bringing upset to those of us who counted Ann as a friend. Think on that.


    https://x.com/IainDale/status/2075585263984672941
    Tatchell now backtracking fast

    https://x.com/PeterTatchell/status/2075610449765126544?s=20
    Well that is good, even if his claim he was not celebrating is a bit weak. It's online culture at work perhaps, people are so used to speaking without filter and finding an audience for whatever they might say, that they cannot easily recognise when the cross a line, or they revel in crossing it.

    We don't want people self-censoring all their thoughts and opinions for fear of giving offence, but the needle could perhaps swing back a little the other way, so that there's a bit more shame to go around.
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 2,153
    Andy_JS said:

    Shocking news re the reports about Ann Widdecombe.

    This morning I was like, ‘bit of a shame, but a decent innings and she was a politician of conviction’ and thought nothing more of it.

    Now we find out she’s been murdered and WTF indeed!
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,932
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    Ratters said:

    Eabhal said:

    A good news story:

    "Plans for large solar farm rejected"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgdy1x9wglo

    On greenbelt. Get to feck.

    Alternatively: domestic clean energy generation close to large urban population centre and existing transmission, constructed on ecological desert agricultural monoculture adjacent to an industrial estate, rejected by NIMBYs.

    This is why we need nodal pricing. NIMBYism is perfectly rational unless people enjoy energy cost discounts for living next to this stuff.
    We 100% need some kind of regional electricity pricing.

    Let businesses set up electricity intensive businesses where the real cost is low (like Scotland). And let NIMBYs in the south reel the brunt of the backlash against this sort of thing when costs go much higher.

    For reference I live in London so certainly have nothing to gain from such a policy.
    We were talking yesterday about generation constraints and associated balancing costs that are due to a not-fit-for-purpose National Grid. Fix the Grid upgrade and your constraint problems mostly disappear.

    Interesting analysis on what's causing constraints now and will cause constraints over the next ten years. While a lot of the constraints as the moment are triggered by North of Scotland wind generators, this is a largely temporary problem. The big constraints will be in East Anglia.

    https://insights.lcp.com/rs/032-PAO-331/images/LCP-Delta-Reformed-National-Pricing-Measures-on-GB-Grid-Constraint-Costs-March-2026.pdf

    Should add there is regional pricing. Living in London you pay about a penny more per unit wholesale than people living in Scotland and the North of England because your transmission costs from energy sources are higher.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,484
    Nigelb said:

    Why is it always heavily odds on that the next vote fixing story will involve Republicans ?

    Three Florida Republicans were just charged with creating a fake voter guide to steal an election.

    They did not hack the machines. They did not stuff the ballot box. They printed a fake Republican voter guide, made it look nearly identical to the real one, and mailed it to tens of thousands of voters before a 2024 primary.

    It worked. An incumbent won by fewer than 1,000 votes. Now three elected officials in St. Johns County, Florida are facing criminal charges for it.

    https://x.com/Gianl1974/status/2075500150286426267

    Pardon incoming.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,415
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    SandraMc said:

    Whatever you think about Ann Widdecombe's opinions - and I disagree with 95 per cent of them - a number of people have said that although she was often trunculent in debate, she was personally very affable. She did a roadshow some years ago with the gay Conservative blogger Iain Dale and there was such a rapport between them that one member of the audience asked if they were an item!

    Dale's own words on Tatchell's less than edifying tweet:

    I will curb my language but that tweet is disgusting. You profess to be an advocate of human rights, and the right to be treated with dignity after death is a basic human right everyone should have, yet you rejoice in her death. Yes, her religion guided her views on equality issues, and I had many disagreements with her, but as a gay man I counted her as a friend, as did many others. She was actually a profoundly kind person. She endorsed my candidacy knowing of my sexuality. She softened her views on equal marriage and told me in 2019 she would not support reversing it.
    So be ashamed of yourself today, Peter. You do some great work, but in this instance it's you that's the bigot. Bigoted against the dead, and bringing upset to those of us who counted Ann as a friend. Think on that.


    https://x.com/IainDale/status/2075585263984672941
    Tatchell now backtracking fast

    https://x.com/PeterTatchell/status/2075610449765126544?s=20
    Well that is good, even if his claim he was not celebrating is a bit weak. It's online culture at work perhaps, people are so used to speaking without filter and finding an audience for whatever they might say, that they cannot easily recognise when the cross a line, or they revel in crossing it.

    We don't want people self-censoring all their thoughts and opinions for fear of giving offence, but the needle could perhaps swing back a little the other way, so that there's a bit more shame to go around.
    Once said, never unsaid.

    People of Tatchell's brand of Labour socialism are fundamentally evil. Starmer pitched it right for once.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,484

    carnforth said:

    Nigelb said:

    Land of the Free.

    A woman registered for a public JD Vance event using the official signup form, got a confirmation on White House letterhead, and stood in line for thirty minutes before five people, two of them armed Secret Service agents, pulled her out by name and told her, "we know where you stand."

    Her offense was running a cat meme Instagram account with two million followers. The ACLU is now suing the Executive Office of the President and the Secret Service over it, and the strongest detail in the whole complaint is not the ejection itself. It is that Secret Service agents apparently monitor a satire account closely enough to recognize its founder on sight in a rope line in Bangor, Maine.

    Vance called his own 2021 cat ladies comment one of the dumbest things he has ever said. He was right the first time. Weaponizing federal security personnel against the woman who turned that quote into a punchline is a worse unforced error than the original one.

    https://x.com/micyoung75/status/2075324362597482926

    Probably not his error in the second case, though. The secret service would do that without his direction.
    Presume this is automated, scraping every social site, correlating and pushing the insights to a shiny dashboard. Not easy being a subversive in the tech age,
    It's a good time to start up an autocratic regime on the cheap. Not good news for democracy.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,316
    I’m at the cricket in Durham. It’s sweltering. Sweating like jimmy savile in a morgue
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,773

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    rcs1000 said:

    A good news story:

    "Plans for large solar farm rejected"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgdy1x9wglo

    On greenbelt. Get to feck.

    All those people facing higher electricity bills will thank you for your help in this matter.
    But lower food bills
    80 hectares in the NE of England* is not going to put a dent in global food prices. Nor is the solar farm in energy prices tbf, but there are other reasons why you might value that more than the other.

    * rated only moderate for agricultural value, no SSSI etc etc
    Trouble is that, if you live on or in the green belt, its main value is that you, personally, don't have any development around you. And whilst Bart's "if you don't own it, you don't get a say in what happens to it" has an elegant simplicity, it's not where we are and good luck winning an election on that platform.

    And I suspect that even if you offered people free energy bills forever, they would still rather not have the development.
    Agree - though I think from the evidence in things like vouchers for walking 10,000 steps, people have irrationally large positive responses to even small incentives.

    And free year-round energy from living close to the local solar farm is a pretty big incentive.
    A solar farm, like a battery energy storage site, is a pretty benign form of development as far as things go.

    Compare to a sewage works, pig farm, factory, housing estate, quarry or landfill site. Most people would choose the solar farm every time in preference.
    No. They'd choose no development on a green field, greenbelt site.

    Rewilding, yes. Ugly carbuncle, no.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,697
    47,000 views; currently 3 likes.

    I want him to win. His sanctimonious, holier-than-thou pronouncements mean he'd *have* to give up his enjoyable 'comedy' life and be an MP - an awful job. He deserves it for mocking the voters. I thought the same about @almurray
    https://x.com/AdamShame3/status/2075264645787418974

    It's a fair point, though.
    The grifter Farage didn't give up any of his comedy gigs; if you're running against him with the intention of winning, then promising to do so if you win might be the principled thing to do.

    OTOH, if you're just running against him to take the piss (an equally valid motive) ....
  • AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 4,175
    Police have arrested a suspect for the murder.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,482
    Police conference now beginning
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,484

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    rcs1000 said:

    A good news story:

    "Plans for large solar farm rejected"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgdy1x9wglo

    On greenbelt. Get to feck.

    All those people facing higher electricity bills will thank you for your help in this matter.
    But lower food bills
    80 hectares in the NE of England* is not going to put a dent in global food prices. Nor is the solar farm in energy prices tbf, but there are other reasons why you might value that more than the other.

    * rated only moderate for agricultural value, no SSSI etc etc
    Trouble is that, if you live on or in the green belt, its main value is that you, personally, don't have any development around you. And whilst Bart's "if you don't own it, you don't get a say in what happens to it" has an elegant simplicity, it's not where we are and good luck winning an election on that platform.

    And I suspect that even if you offered people free energy bills forever, they would still rather not have the development.
    Agree - though I think from the evidence in things like vouchers for walking 10,000 steps, people have irrationally large positive responses to even small incentives.

    And free year-round energy from living close to the local solar farm is a pretty big incentive.
    A solar farm, like a battery energy storage site, is a pretty benign form of development as far as things go.

    Compare to a sewage works, pig farm, factory, housing estate, quarry or landfill site. Most people would choose the solar farm every time in preference.
    People object strenuously and in high numbers to solar farms and battery storage. And since they are usually in places that won't (easily) be targets for a lot of houses, people do not compare them to getting that instead.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,760

    Pulpstar said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Social media is full of malicious communications regarding the death of Ann Widdecombe. Will anything be done about it, or does that law (which I don't agree with in the first place) only get applied to certain people?

    I believe a legal distinction is drawn between celebrating the death of a dead person (distasteful, but not illegal unless the death was perpetrated by a terrorist, in which case you would be guilty of glorifying terrorism) and calling for the death of living people.
    Please tell me this is not what the HS means by "speculation". Because for instance labelling her death (As someone has done on bluesky) as entertainment is not speculation.
    There are two different things going on, I assume.

    One is people celebrating the death of a political opponent, which I think demeans the person who is doing the celebrating, but in truth I am a flawed person, and I expect to celebrate the death of the Presidents of at least two nuclear powers. With God's grace I will not have to wait long to so demean myself.

    The second is speculation about the motives for Widdecombe's murder. At present we have no information on which to base this, except for the race of the suspect, and so literally almost anything is possible. Some of this speculation might prove to be very upsetting to friends of the deceased, and some would have the potential to provoke civil disorder, were it to be taken seriously.

    It's become de rigeur for politicians and police to ask the public not to speculate in situations like this, because although it is pointless - we have no information to go on - it can have serious consequences. But, of course, it is very natural to try to come up with explanations for why such a thing would have happened. So I'm not surprised people speculate.
    Macron's still pretty young, so you're likely to be waiting a while.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,568
    No evidence of political motivation.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,952
    edited 5:01PM

    rcs1000 said:

    Eabhal said:

    rcs1000 said:

    A good news story:

    "Plans for large solar farm rejected"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgdy1x9wglo

    On greenbelt. Get to feck.

    All those people facing higher electricity bills will thank you for your help in this matter.
    But lower food bills
    80 hectares in the NE of England* is not going to put a dent in global food prices. Nor is the solar farm in energy prices tbf, but there are other reasons why you might value that more than the other.

    * rated only moderate for agricultural value, no SSSI etc etc
    Trouble is that, if you live on or in the green belt, its main value is that you, personally, don't have any development around you. And whilst Bart's "if you don't own it, you don't get a say in what happens to it" has an elegant simplicity, it's not where we are and good luck winning an election on that platform.

    And I suspect that even if you offered people free energy bills forever, they would still rather not have the development.
    Here's the thing: the Green Belt is just a subsidy from people who don't own their homes, and towards people who do own homes on the edge of large towns and cities.

    I find that quite morally hard to justify.
    The motivation for the creation of the green belt was more a sort of luddite opposition to the growth of towns and cities, but it's survived so long because most people prefer fields to buildings.

    It's the combination of green belt with opposition to high housing densities - everyone naturally wanting a detached house with garden - that produces problems. You can have one, but having both is problematic, unless you shrink the population to roughly the level at the time the green belt was established.

    I think it's a symptom of the prevailing culture in Britain where what British people hate most is other people. This recent article in the Southern Star would be unthinkable in Britain.

    https://www.southernstar.ie/subscriber-exclusives/relaxed-planning-rules-a-lifeline-for-rural-housing-4357522

    Relaxed planning rules a lifeline for rural housing

    NEW planning guidelines relaxing rules around rural one-off housing have been given a broad welcome in West Cork.
    I think that is some way off where Green Belt came from. I think it was far simpler - people o outer estates wanting to keep their distance to the countryside down.

    It was a measure to limit urban sprawl, which I think has largely worked. If I had to speculate, I'd say it was a reaction to all those 30s suburbs, quite possibly motivated by those who lived in them who did not want another ring of estates outside their areas. The London Green Belt Act was passed in 1935.

    It is another of those things - like NATO, the UN, the welfare state, and the NHS (OK - that one is part of the welfare state) that crystallised around WW2.

    It is very much of its time, in that many areas have little or no Greenbelt. But I'd say it has worked better at keeping open countryside close to town better than in some other European countries.

    But those who campaign around "save the Green Belt" do rather typecast themselves as residents of Walmington-on-Sea, maybe even as Widdecombe Warriors.

    (One off developments have always been possible in Green Belt or Open Countryside. I know lots of people who have built them.)
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,709
    edited 5:03PM
    Nigelb said:

    Land of the Free.

    A woman registered for a public JD Vance event using the official signup form, got a confirmation on White House letterhead, and stood in line for thirty minutes before five people, two of them armed Secret Service agents, pulled her out by name and told her, "we know where you stand."

    Her offense was running a cat meme Instagram account with two million followers. The ACLU is now suing the Executive Office of the President and the Secret Service over it, and the strongest detail in the whole complaint is not the ejection itself. It is that Secret Service agents apparently monitor a satire account closely enough to recognize its founder on sight in a rope line in Bangor, Maine.

    Vance called his own 2021 cat ladies comment one of the dumbest things he has ever said. He was right the first time. Weaponizing federal security personnel against the woman who turned that quote into a punchline is a worse unforced error than the original one.

    https://x.com/micyoung75/status/2075324362597482926

    Land of the Free part 2:

    The EU just used a clever little voting tactic to reinstate automated monitoring of private chat on social media.

    The proposal had been rejected 4 times already by the European Parliament so they used a little trick to introduce it on a temporary basis by choosing the day before the recess and then introducing it in a form that needed rejection by an absolute majority of the parliament for it to fall.

    The thing is right now it is only for monitoring for child sex abuse. But it began life as a proposed law to allow monitoring for any behaviour that might be deemed criminal. It is mass monitoring of all non encrypted private chat. You would have to be really naive to think it won't be extended again and again to encompass more areas.

    Edit. Forgot the link

    https://www.euronews.com/next/2026/07/10/chat-control-10-passed-the-european-parliament-through-the-back-door
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,834
    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Why is it always heavily odds on that the next vote fixing story will involve Republicans ?

    Three Florida Republicans were just charged with creating a fake voter guide to steal an election.

    They did not hack the machines. They did not stuff the ballot box. They printed a fake Republican voter guide, made it look nearly identical to the real one, and mailed it to tens of thousands of voters before a 2024 primary.

    It worked. An incumbent won by fewer than 1,000 votes. Now three elected officials in St. Johns County, Florida are facing criminal charges for it.

    https://x.com/Gianl1974/status/2075500150286426267

    Pardon incoming.
    State offences - no pardon?
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 13,606

    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Why is it always heavily odds on that the next vote fixing story will involve Republicans ?

    Three Florida Republicans were just charged with creating a fake voter guide to steal an election.

    They did not hack the machines. They did not stuff the ballot box. They printed a fake Republican voter guide, made it look nearly identical to the real one, and mailed it to tens of thousands of voters before a 2024 primary.

    It worked. An incumbent won by fewer than 1,000 votes. Now three elected officials in St. Johns County, Florida are facing criminal charges for it.

    https://x.com/Gianl1974/status/2075500150286426267

    Pardon incoming.
    State offences - no pardon?
    De Santis can pardon as Governor if a state offence
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 80,008

    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Why is it always heavily odds on that the next vote fixing story will involve Republicans ?

    Three Florida Republicans were just charged with creating a fake voter guide to steal an election.

    They did not hack the machines. They did not stuff the ballot box. They printed a fake Republican voter guide, made it look nearly identical to the real one, and mailed it to tens of thousands of voters before a 2024 primary.

    It worked. An incumbent won by fewer than 1,000 votes. Now three elected officials in St. Johns County, Florida are facing criminal charges for it.

    https://x.com/Gianl1974/status/2075500150286426267

    Pardon incoming.
    State offences - no pardon?
    It's Florida. De Santis makes Trump look like Mother Theresa.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,484
    DougSeal said:

    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Why is it always heavily odds on that the next vote fixing story will involve Republicans ?

    Three Florida Republicans were just charged with creating a fake voter guide to steal an election.

    They did not hack the machines. They did not stuff the ballot box. They printed a fake Republican voter guide, made it look nearly identical to the real one, and mailed it to tens of thousands of voters before a 2024 primary.

    It worked. An incumbent won by fewer than 1,000 votes. Now three elected officials in St. Johns County, Florida are facing criminal charges for it.

    https://x.com/Gianl1974/status/2075500150286426267

    Pardon incoming.
    State offences - no pardon?
    De Santis can pardon as Governor if a state offence
    The only surprise is they were allowed to be prosecuted in the first place.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,952
    edited 5:13PM
    kle4 said:

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    rcs1000 said:

    A good news story:

    "Plans for large solar farm rejected"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgdy1x9wglo

    On greenbelt. Get to feck.

    All those people facing higher electricity bills will thank you for your help in this matter.
    But lower food bills
    80 hectares in the NE of England* is not going to put a dent in global food prices. Nor is the solar farm in energy prices tbf, but there are other reasons why you might value that more than the other.

    * rated only moderate for agricultural value, no SSSI etc etc
    Trouble is that, if you live on or in the green belt, its main value is that you, personally, don't have any development around you. And whilst Bart's "if you don't own it, you don't get a say in what happens to it" has an elegant simplicity, it's not where we are and good luck winning an election on that platform.

    And I suspect that even if you offered people free energy bills forever, they would still rather not have the development.
    Agree - though I think from the evidence in things like vouchers for walking 10,000 steps, people have irrationally large positive responses to even small incentives.

    And free year-round energy from living close to the local solar farm is a pretty big incentive.
    A solar farm, like a battery energy storage site, is a pretty benign form of development as far as things go.

    Compare to a sewage works, pig farm, factory, housing estate, quarry or landfill site. Most people would choose the solar farm every time in preference.
    People object strenuously and in high numbers to solar farms and battery storage. And since they are usually in places that won't (easily) be targets for a lot of houses, people do not compare them to getting that instead.
    I think the location in County Durham may be significant. That is the "Darren Grimes as Council Leader" patch, and he is given to making mountains out of culture war molehills, and this is a decision that may have gone through a tactical loophole because (allegedly) "the letter notifying us of the Appeal due to us not processing it on time (aka Non-determination) had not arrived". Such letters can easily be delayed for a day in the post.

    OTOH it was quite an overwhelming development, but solar developments can be put behind high hedges quite easily.

    I think it will be back, at 1/3 to 2/3 of the size, and less intensive.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,932
    ydoethur said:

    SandraMc said:

    Whatever you think about Ann Widdecombe's opinions - and I disagree with 95 per cent of them - a number of people have said that although she was often trunculent in debate, she was personally very affable. She did a roadshow some years ago with the gay Conservative blogger Iain Dale and there was such a rapport between them that one member of the audience asked if they were an item!

    Dale's own words on Tatchell's less than edifying tweet:

    I will curb my language but that tweet is disgusting. You profess to be an advocate of human rights, and the right to be treated with dignity after death is a basic human right everyone should have, yet you rejoice in her death. Yes, her religion guided her views on equality issues, and I had many disagreements with her, but as a gay man I counted her as a friend, as did many others. She was actually a profoundly kind person. She endorsed my candidacy knowing of my sexuality. She softened her views on equal marriage and told me in 2019 she would not support reversing it.
    So be ashamed of yourself today, Peter. You do some great work, but in this instance it's you that's the bigot. Bigoted against the dead, and bringing upset to those of us who counted Ann as a friend. Think on that.


    https://x.com/IainDale/status/2075585263984672941
    De mortuis nil nisi bonum is always a good principle to follow, and maybe Ann Widdecombe's presumed murder demonstrates why, but Tatchell had absolutely no reason to suspect she was murdered.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,316
    I’m at the cricket in Durham. It’s sweltering. Sweating like jimmy savile in a morgue
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,817
    Nigelb said:

    47,000 views; currently 3 likes.

    I want him to win. His sanctimonious, holier-than-thou pronouncements mean he'd *have* to give up his enjoyable 'comedy' life and be an MP - an awful job. He deserves it for mocking the voters. I thought the same about @almurray
    https://x.com/AdamShame3/status/2075264645787418974

    It's a fair point, though.
    The grifter Farage didn't give up any of his comedy gigs; if you're running against him with the intention of winning, then promising to do so if you win might be the principled thing to do.

    OTOH, if you're just running against him to take the piss (an equally valid motive) ....

    I'm one of the likes.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 22,155
    edited 5:15PM
    deleted (duplicate)
  • eekeek Posts: 34,488
    Taz said:

    I’m at the cricket in Durham. It’s sweltering. Sweating like jimmy savile in a morgue

    It wasn't funny half an hour ago - repeating it doesn't make it funny.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,680
    On topic @rcs1000 -

    Request default link click behaviour to be "open in new tab" - or, better (if possible) this to be a user settable behaviour.
  • RattersRatters Posts: 2,107
    Nigelb said:

    47,000 views; currently 3 likes.

    I want him to win. His sanctimonious, holier-than-thou pronouncements mean he'd *have* to give up his enjoyable 'comedy' life and be an MP - an awful job. He deserves it for mocking the voters. I thought the same about @almurray
    https://x.com/AdamShame3/status/2075264645787418974

    It's a fair point, though.
    The grifter Farage didn't give up any of his comedy gigs; if you're running against him with the intention of winning, then promising to do so if you win might be the principled thing to do.

    OTOH, if you're just running against him to take the piss (an equally valid motive) ....

    It's just so moronic.

    He wouldn't have to give up anything. He is running as a candidate with a bin on his head. The idea he needs to give up comedy work on the back on that is ludicrous.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,568
    Driver said:

    On topic @rcs1000 -

    Request default link click behaviour to be "open in new tab" - or, better (if possible) this to be a user settable behaviour.

    In some web browsers, "open all links in tabs" is a user setting.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 61,174
    Driver said:

    On topic @rcs1000 -

    Request default link click behaviour to be "open in new tab" - or, better (if possible) this to be a user settable behaviour.

    If you have a mouse, use the middle mouse button.
  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,623
    kle4 said:

    DougSeal said:

    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Why is it always heavily odds on that the next vote fixing story will involve Republicans ?

    Three Florida Republicans were just charged with creating a fake voter guide to steal an election.

    They did not hack the machines. They did not stuff the ballot box. They printed a fake Republican voter guide, made it look nearly identical to the real one, and mailed it to tens of thousands of voters before a 2024 primary.

    It worked. An incumbent won by fewer than 1,000 votes. Now three elected officials in St. Johns County, Florida are facing criminal charges for it.

    https://x.com/Gianl1974/status/2075500150286426267

    Pardon incoming.
    State offences - no pardon?
    De Santis can pardon as Governor if a state offence
    The only surprise is they were allowed to be prosecuted in the first place.
    Would De Santis pardon, though? Politically, don't you just cut them loose and say these rogue elements have nothing to do with me and need to face justice?

    I know that's not Trump's approach but De Santis, for all his own flaws, is a more conventional politician and probably less able to get away with flagrant abuse of the justice system.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,415
    carnforth said:

    No evidence of political motivation.

    Have we checked Andrew Tate's X account yet to see if the dreadful murder of Ann Widdecome was asylum seeker related?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 37,052
    carnforth said:

    Guess Farage did need that security money after all.

    You don't think it suspicious that Nigel Farage has called an unnecessary by-election in order to establish his alibi?
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,554
    Andy_JS said:
    And Paris as my French friend forecast. Apparently it's the Ultras from PSG.

    https://www.instagram.com/reel/DanDdNPklRF/
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 37,052
    Nigelb said:

    President Trump has indicated that the United States will seek rehearing of the Supreme Court's ruling on birthright citizenship.

    Rule 44 allows 25 days to seek rehearing. It requires the support of at least one Justice from the majority, and is rarely granted.

    https://x.com/olex_scherba/status/2075340025013690644

    Wrong link. That's a list of jokes about the SMO.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 37,052
    Ratters said:

    Eabhal said:

    A good news story:

    "Plans for large solar farm rejected"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgdy1x9wglo

    On greenbelt. Get to feck.

    Alternatively: domestic clean energy generation close to large urban population centre and existing transmission, constructed on ecological desert agricultural monoculture adjacent to an industrial estate, rejected by NIMBYs.

    This is why we need nodal pricing. NIMBYism is perfectly rational unless people enjoy energy cost discounts for living next to this stuff.
    We 100% need some kind of regional electricity pricing.

    Let businesses set up electricity intensive businesses where the real cost is low (like Scotland). And let NIMBYs in the south reel the brunt of the backlash against this sort of thing when costs go much higher.

    For reference I live in London so certainly have nothing to gain from such a policy.
    Think of all the old power stations along the Thames. If electricity were regionally priced, they'd still be there, next to where the juice is used. And it is not NIMBYs that shut them down.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,952
    Andy_JS said:

    Nigelb said:

    47,000 views; currently 3 likes.

    I want him to win. His sanctimonious, holier-than-thou pronouncements mean he'd *have* to give up his enjoyable 'comedy' life and be an MP - an awful job. He deserves it for mocking the voters. I thought the same about @almurray
    https://x.com/AdamShame3/status/2075264645787418974

    It's a fair point, though.
    The grifter Farage didn't give up any of his comedy gigs; if you're running against him with the intention of winning, then promising to do so if you win might be the principled thing to do.

    OTOH, if you're just running against him to take the piss (an equally valid motive) ....

    I'm one of the likes.
    Did Martin Bell enjoy being an MP?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,952
    RobD said:

    Driver said:

    On topic @rcs1000 -

    Request default link click behaviour to be "open in new tab" - or, better (if possible) this to be a user settable behaviour.

    If you have a mouse, use the middle mouse button.
    CTRL-Click does it usually.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 80,008

    Nigelb said:

    President Trump has indicated that the United States will seek rehearing of the Supreme Court's ruling on birthright citizenship.

    Rule 44 allows 25 days to seek rehearing. It requires the support of at least one Justice from the majority, and is rarely granted.

    https://x.com/olex_scherba/status/2075340025013690644

    Wrong link. That's a list of jokes about the SMO.
    Some quite good ones though.

    For 'aged like milk' here is Russia's propaganda from 2022 about how the Ukraine war would cause fuel shortages...

    https://ukraineworld.org/en/articles/analysis/ru-west-freezing
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,415
    edited 5:53PM
    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Nigelb said:

    47,000 views; currently 3 likes.

    I want him to win. His sanctimonious, holier-than-thou pronouncements mean he'd *have* to give up his enjoyable 'comedy' life and be an MP - an awful job. He deserves it for mocking the voters. I thought the same about @almurray
    https://x.com/AdamShame3/status/2075264645787418974

    It's a fair point, though.
    The grifter Farage didn't give up any of his comedy gigs; if you're running against him with the intention of winning, then promising to do so if you win might be the principled thing to do.

    OTOH, if you're just running against him to take the piss (an equally valid motive) ....

    I'm one of the likes.
    Did Martin Bell enjoy being an MP?
    Didn't he regret that he claimed a one term only candidacy? So I think yes.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,185
    I hate to indulge in the trivial when the murder of Ann Widdecombe is still fresh, but I need to moan about a film. IMHO, there are/were three perfect films: Alien, Manhunter, Apocalypse Now. Recently they have been disfigured by "director's cuts": Alien has a variant (not too bad but entirely unnecessary and worse than the original) and Apocalypse Now was ruined by the "Final Cut" (it's just rubbish). Now Michael Mann did the Final Cut for Manhunter and the 4k version is now out, being rereleased in September. The person in the back row silently weeping salty tears will be me. Why can't they leave well enough alone?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,415
    Is it me or since @Leon* and @isam have been banished to ConHome for perpetuity there often seem to be long periods of tumbleweed between posts?

    * Particularly Leon
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,767
    viewcode said:

    I hate to indulge in the trivial when the murder of Ann Widdecombe is still fresh, but I need to moan about a film. IMHO, there are/were three perfect films: Alien, Manhunter, Apocalypse Now. Recently they have been disfigured by "director's cuts": Alien has a variant (not too bad but entirely unnecessary and worse than the original) and Apocalypse Now was ruined by the "Final Cut" (it's just rubbish). Now Michael Mann did the Final Cut for Manhunter and the 4k version is now out, being rereleased in September. The person in the back row silently weeping salty tears will be me. Why can't they leave well enough alone?

    I get that you prefer the original and frankly directors do often need reigning in resulting in better films but surely you can just watch the version you want?
  • theProletheProle Posts: 2,018
    rcs1000 said:

    A good news story:

    "Plans for large solar farm rejected"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgdy1x9wglo

    On greenbelt. Get to feck.

    All those people facing higher electricity bills will thank you for your help in this matter.
    Have we run out of roofs yet, that we need to plaster panels over prime farmland?

    Huge commercial solar schemes are almost the exact opposite of what the UK grid needs anyway. The contribute loads of power in summer when demand is lowest, and the spot price is almost zero, cash in on constraint payments when their is excess supply, then for the four months of the year when demand is highest they contribute virtually nothing.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,767

    Is it me or since @Leon* and @isam have been banished to ConHome for perpetuity there often seem to be long periods of tumbleweed between posts?

    * Particularly Leon

    It's not loss for the former but I miss Isam. If you want to follow Leon's exploits just follow his stalker, Sean T on X.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,421
    viewcode said:

    I hate to indulge in the trivial when the murder of Ann Widdecombe is still fresh, but I need to moan about a film. IMHO, there are/were three perfect films: Alien, Manhunter, Apocalypse Now. Recently they have been disfigured by "director's cuts": Alien has a variant (not too bad but entirely unnecessary and worse than the original) and Apocalypse Now was ruined by the "Final Cut" (it's just rubbish). Now Michael Mann did the Final Cut for Manhunter and the 4k version is now out, being rereleased in September. The person in the back row silently weeping salty tears will be me. Why can't they leave well enough alone?

    Yes I know what you mean.

    Here's how my guitar solo would have sounded if I hadn't been limited to 45 seconds by the producer and the record company bosses.

    I'd still be going, man.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,830
    edited 6:10PM
    theProle said:

    rcs1000 said:

    A good news story:

    "Plans for large solar farm rejected"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgdy1x9wglo

    On greenbelt. Get to feck.

    All those people facing higher electricity bills will thank you for your help in this matter.
    Have we run out of roofs yet, that we need to plaster panels over prime farmland?

    Huge commercial solar schemes are almost the exact opposite of what the UK grid needs anyway. The contribute loads of power in summer when demand is lowest, and the spot price is almost zero, cash in on constraint payments when their is excess supply, then for the four months of the year when demand is highest they contribute virtually nothing.
    Hasn't the British grid operator been warning of electricity shortages during the recent heatwaves?

    Here we go.
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2026/jul/09/great-britain-grid-operator-issues-another-warning-over-power-supplies-in-heatwave

    Seems like there's ample demand for extra solar supply, with battery storage to shift to summer nights, to provide electricity during a heatwave when wind generation is low.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,433
    viewcode said:

    I hate to indulge in the trivial when the murder of Ann Widdecombe is still fresh, but I need to moan about a film. IMHO, there are/were three perfect films: Alien, Manhunter, Apocalypse Now. Recently they have been disfigured by "director's cuts": Alien has a variant (not too bad but entirely unnecessary and worse than the original) and Apocalypse Now was ruined by the "Final Cut" (it's just rubbish). Now Michael Mann did the Final Cut for Manhunter and the 4k version is now out, being rereleased in September. The person in the back row silently weeping salty tears will be me. Why can't they leave well enough alone?

    I prefer the Apocalypse Now Final Cut.

    I think the extra scenes at the USO show and plantation make sense of some other parts of the film.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 13,005

    Is it me or since @Leon* and @isam have been banished to ConHome for perpetuity there often seem to be long periods of tumbleweed between posts?

    * Particularly Leon

    There have always been long gaps here and there. Obviously with his shoes in the state they are @TSE isn't going to make PB sexy and appeal to the young, but the enviable @rcs1000 might swing it
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,407
    Omnium said:

    Is it me or since @Leon* and @isam have been banished to ConHome for perpetuity there often seem to be long periods of tumbleweed between posts?

    * Particularly Leon

    There have always been long gaps here and there. Obviously with his shoes in the state they are @TSE isn't going to make PB sexy and appeal to the young, but the enviable @rcs1000 might swing it
    PB was better in Mike Smithson days.

    [nervously checks if @TSE is around]
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,421
    edited 6:13PM

    Is it me or since @Leon* and @isam have been banished to ConHome for perpetuity there often seem to be long periods of tumbleweed between posts?

    * Particularly Leon

    Inevitable really. He had a 50 a day habit. And many of the 50 would generate multiple replies which in turn ... so do the math (as they say).
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,316
    edited 6:17PM
    eek said:

    Taz said:

    I’m at the cricket in Durham. It’s sweltering. Sweating like jimmy savile in a morgue

    It wasn't funny half an hour ago - repeating it doesn't make it funny.
    Cry harder.

    I really don’t give a fuck what tedious humble bragging blowhards think. This week your main hassle was, first class obvs as you’re so important, gin and tonic you struggled to get the lid off.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 37,052

    Is it me or since @Leon* and @isam have been banished to ConHome for perpetuity there often seem to be long periods of tumbleweed between posts?

    * Particularly Leon

    If the new (or old) api supports easy extraction of post times, it might be interesting to see graphs. My sense is that Leon often kept things going after last orders. The early morning pre-breakfast shift can be a bit lonely.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,316

    Is it me or since @Leon* and @isam have been banished to ConHome for perpetuity there often seem to be long periods of tumbleweed between posts?

    * Particularly Leon

    Isam abused our host so it was deserved
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,830
    edited 6:15PM

    theProle said:

    rcs1000 said:

    A good news story:

    "Plans for large solar farm rejected"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgdy1x9wglo

    On greenbelt. Get to feck.

    All those people facing higher electricity bills will thank you for your help in this matter.
    Have we run out of roofs yet, that we need to plaster panels over prime farmland?

    Huge commercial solar schemes are almost the exact opposite of what the UK grid needs anyway. The contribute loads of power in summer when demand is lowest, and the spot price is almost zero, cash in on constraint payments when their is excess supply, then for the four months of the year when demand is highest they contribute virtually nothing.
    Hasn't the British grid operator been warning of electricity shortages during the recent heatwaves?

    Here we go.
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2026/jul/09/great-britain-grid-operator-issues-another-warning-over-power-supplies-in-heatwave

    Seems like there's ample demand for extra solar supply, with battery storage to shift to summer nights, to provide electricity during a heatwave when wind generation is low.
    That said, if the government was able to encourage the installation of solar panels on every domestic property roof and a home storage battery it would do a lot to help British households benefit from solar power more directly. But it's the investors in large solar farms who can more easily access the money to do this, and so they will generate the return.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 13,606
    viewcode said:

    I hate to indulge in the trivial when the murder of Ann Widdecombe is still fresh, but I need to moan about a film. IMHO, there are/were three perfect films: Alien, Manhunter, Apocalypse Now. Recently they have been disfigured by "director's cuts": Alien has a variant (not too bad but entirely unnecessary and worse than the original) and Apocalypse Now was ruined by the "Final Cut" (it's just rubbish). Now Michael Mann did the Final Cut for Manhunter and the 4k version is now out, being rereleased in September. The person in the back row silently weeping salty tears will be me. Why can't they leave well enough alone?

    Blade Runner was redeemed by the director’s cut
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 13,005
    DougSeal said:

    viewcode said:

    I hate to indulge in the trivial when the murder of Ann Widdecombe is still fresh, but I need to moan about a film. IMHO, there are/were three perfect films: Alien, Manhunter, Apocalypse Now. Recently they have been disfigured by "director's cuts": Alien has a variant (not too bad but entirely unnecessary and worse than the original) and Apocalypse Now was ruined by the "Final Cut" (it's just rubbish). Now Michael Mann did the Final Cut for Manhunter and the 4k version is now out, being rereleased in September. The person in the back row silently weeping salty tears will be me. Why can't they leave well enough alone?

    Blade Runner was redeemed by the director’s cut
    It was magnificent to start with!
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,879
    Foxy said:

    viewcode said:

    I hate to indulge in the trivial when the murder of Ann Widdecombe is still fresh, but I need to moan about a film. IMHO, there are/were three perfect films: Alien, Manhunter, Apocalypse Now. Recently they have been disfigured by "director's cuts": Alien has a variant (not too bad but entirely unnecessary and worse than the original) and Apocalypse Now was ruined by the "Final Cut" (it's just rubbish). Now Michael Mann did the Final Cut for Manhunter and the 4k version is now out, being rereleased in September. The person in the back row silently weeping salty tears will be me. Why can't they leave well enough alone?

    I prefer the Apocalypse Now Final Cut.

    I think the extra scenes at the USO show and plantation make sense of some other parts of the film.
    The plantation stuff should have been its own movie.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,830
    The Moscow Stock Exchange has fallen for the 18th week in a row. It's lost a bit more than a quarter of its value in that time.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,316

    The Moscow Stock Exchange has fallen for the 18th week in a row. It's lost a bit more than a quarter of its value in that time.

    I’m not tempted to buy the dip
  • The thing is right now it is only for monitoring for child sex abuse. But it began life as a proposed law to allow monitoring for any behaviour that might be deemed criminal. It is mass monitoring of all non encrypted private chat. You would have to be really naive to think it won't be extended again and again to encompass more areas.

    Same old story. Give any government a hammer and at some point they will be tempted to use it to shut up people they don't like.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,932
    They declined Ryanair's window upgrade option

    A passenger on a Ryanair flight was reportedly almost sucked out of a window after it shattered in mid-air during a journey from Greece. The man was said to have been lifted out of his seat into the plane’s slipstream and hung headfirst out of the window ... The passenger was saved from being completely sucked outof the Boeing 737 because his wife “held him by the legs”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2026/jul/10/ryanair-passenger-almost-sucked-out-of-shattered-window-during-flight
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,133
    Whilst waiting for the Sinner-Zverev game to start we can look forward to this:


    Dan Neidle
    @DanNeidle

    Andy Burnham's backed a land value tax for 16 years. This Sunday we'll be publishing an analysis of how an LVT would work in practice.

    Plus a model that lets you design an LVT and answer the key questions: Who'd win? Who'd lose? And the big question: can it be done at all?

    https://x.com/DanNeidle/status/2075615378621780313
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,830
    FF43 said:

    They declined Ryanair's window upgrade option

    A passenger on a Ryanair flight was reportedly almost sucked out of a window after it shattered in mid-air during a journey from Greece. The man was said to have been lifted out of his seat into the plane’s slipstream and hung headfirst out of the window ... The passenger was saved from being completely sucked outof the Boeing 737 because his wife “held him by the legs”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2026/jul/10/ryanair-passenger-almost-sucked-out-of-shattered-window-during-flight

    Do they have a five-point harness upgrade?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,407
    ICYMI Sinner beats Djokovic 6-4, 6-4, 6-4
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,316
    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    The Moscow Stock Exchange has fallen for the 18th week in a row. It's lost a bit more than a quarter of its value in that time.

    I’m not tempted to buy the dip
    It's in a world of t'rouble.
    That’s very good !!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,133
    No. No. No.



    Dale Vince
    @DaleVince

    Hey @CountBinface can we chat? Really wanna help out.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,992
    FF43 said:

    They declined Ryanair's window upgrade option

    A passenger on a Ryanair flight was reportedly almost sucked out of a window after it shattered in mid-air during a journey from Greece. The man was said to have been lifted out of his seat into the plane’s slipstream and hung headfirst out of the window ... The passenger was saved from being completely sucked outof the Boeing 737 because his wife “held him by the legs”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2026/jul/10/ryanair-passenger-almost-sucked-out-of-shattered-window-during-flight

    On the plus side they will be in a better position to flog upgrades to include parachutes.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 80,008
    Taz said:

    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    The Moscow Stock Exchange has fallen for the 18th week in a row. It's lost a bit more than a quarter of its value in that time.

    I’m not tempted to buy the dip
    It's in a world of t'rouble.
    That’s very good !!
    Although not for Putin.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,185
    edited 6:30PM

    viewcode said:

    I hate to indulge in the trivial when the murder of Ann Widdecombe is still fresh, but I need to moan about a film. IMHO, there are/were three perfect films: Alien, Manhunter, Apocalypse Now. Recently they have been disfigured by "director's cuts": Alien has a variant (not too bad but entirely unnecessary and worse than the original) and Apocalypse Now was ruined by the "Final Cut" (it's just rubbish). Now Michael Mann did the Final Cut for Manhunter and the 4k version is now out, being rereleased in September. The person in the back row silently weeping salty tears will be me. Why can't they leave well enough alone?

    I get that you prefer the original and frankly directors do often need reigning in resulting in better films but surely you can just watch the version you want?
    it's difficult to see the original cut of Alien in the cinemas: when the BFI did their Ridley Scott season in the BFI last year I had to check which version of Alien they were using (I couldn't then get to London to see it, but that's another story).

    But when Apocalypse Now is shown on telly it's usually the Final Cut, which is annoying - it makes Kilgore look like a petulant child instead of a force of nature, and the French plantation is just pointless. In its original form it starts off ordered and methodical then gradually slips out of control and becomes impressionistic - spooky image, haunting music, - and it suits it. Imposing more order or more detail is just making it worse.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,185
    Foxy said:

    viewcode said:

    I hate to indulge in the trivial when the murder of Ann Widdecombe is still fresh, but I need to moan about a film. IMHO, there are/were three perfect films: Alien, Manhunter, Apocalypse Now. Recently they have been disfigured by "director's cuts": Alien has a variant (not too bad but entirely unnecessary and worse than the original) and Apocalypse Now was ruined by the "Final Cut" (it's just rubbish). Now Michael Mann did the Final Cut for Manhunter and the 4k version is now out, being rereleased in September. The person in the back row silently weeping salty tears will be me. Why can't they leave well enough alone?

    I prefer the Apocalypse Now Final Cut.

    I think the extra scenes at the USO show and plantation make sense of some other parts of the film.
    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/5597924/#Comment_5597924
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,817
    viewcode said:

    I hate to indulge in the trivial when the murder of Ann Widdecombe is still fresh, but I need to moan about a film. IMHO, there are/were three perfect films: Alien, Manhunter, Apocalypse Now. Recently they have been disfigured by "director's cuts": Alien has a variant (not too bad but entirely unnecessary and worse than the original) and Apocalypse Now was ruined by the "Final Cut" (it's just rubbish). Now Michael Mann did the Final Cut for Manhunter and the 4k version is now out, being rereleased in September. The person in the back row silently weeping salty tears will be me. Why can't they leave well enough alone?

    I haven't seen the other two, but Manhunter (1986) is very close to being THE perfect film. Never get tired of watching it.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,421

    ICYMI Sinner beats Djokovic 6-4, 6-4, 6-4

    And Djokovic played well. That was lights out tennis from Sinner.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,407

    The Moscow Stock Exchange has fallen for the 18th week in a row. It's lost a bit more than a quarter of its value in that time.

    Lenindrag?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,185
    DougSeal said:

    viewcode said:

    I hate to indulge in the trivial when the murder of Ann Widdecombe is still fresh, but I need to moan about a film. IMHO, there are/were three perfect films: Alien, Manhunter, Apocalypse Now. Recently they have been disfigured by "director's cuts": Alien has a variant (not too bad but entirely unnecessary and worse than the original) and Apocalypse Now was ruined by the "Final Cut" (it's just rubbish). Now Michael Mann did the Final Cut for Manhunter and the 4k version is now out, being rereleased in September. The person in the back row silently weeping salty tears will be me. Why can't they leave well enough alone?

    Blade Runner was redeemed by the director’s cut
    I'll give you that, but I think the best approach would be to take the bad bits out - remove the voice-over at the beginning and happy ending at the end - and improve the rough bits - the bits where Zhora(?) is running thru the panes of glass is in poor slo-mo and obviously a stuntman in a wig at one point, and the bit where the dove flies up into a clear blue unrainy sky. I forget which of the cuts has those bits fixed. Plus any cut that includes Deckard in the hospital talking to his hospitalised partner removes the possibility that's he's a freshly-decanted replicant himself[1], so best not to re-insert that bit

    [1] If you allow for that possibility, then the Voight-Kampf test isn't a test of Rachael, it's a test of Deckard.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,932

    theProle said:

    rcs1000 said:

    A good news story:

    "Plans for large solar farm rejected"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgdy1x9wglo

    On greenbelt. Get to feck.

    All those people facing higher electricity bills will thank you for your help in this matter.
    Have we run out of roofs yet, that we need to plaster panels over prime farmland?

    Huge commercial solar schemes are almost the exact opposite of what the UK grid needs anyway. The contribute loads of power in summer when demand is lowest, and the spot price is almost zero, cash in on constraint payments when their is excess supply, then for the four months of the year when demand is highest they contribute virtually nothing.
    Hasn't the British grid operator been warning of electricity shortages during the recent heatwaves?

    Here we go.
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2026/jul/09/great-britain-grid-operator-issues-another-warning-over-power-supplies-in-heatwave

    Seems like there's ample demand for extra solar supply, with battery storage to shift to summer nights, to provide electricity during a heatwave when wind generation is low.
    That said, if the government was able to encourage the installation of solar panels on every domestic property roof and a home storage battery it would do a lot to help British households benefit from solar power more directly. But it's the investors in large solar farms who can more easily access the money to do this, and so they will generate the return.
    Scaled solar is a lot more efficient. If we want cheaper electricity, solar farms, ideally with battery storage is the way to go.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,817
    edited 6:41PM

    A good news story:

    "Plans for large solar farm rejected"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgdy1x9wglo

    On greenbelt. Get to feck.

    Ridiculous. We ought to be supporting wind farms and solar panels as much as possible, even though they won't make any practical difference to climate change, because it's what countries like China, India, Indonesia, Nigeria, etc, do that will have any effect.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,421
    Andy_JS said:

    viewcode said:

    I hate to indulge in the trivial when the murder of Ann Widdecombe is still fresh, but I need to moan about a film. IMHO, there are/were three perfect films: Alien, Manhunter, Apocalypse Now. Recently they have been disfigured by "director's cuts": Alien has a variant (not too bad but entirely unnecessary and worse than the original) and Apocalypse Now was ruined by the "Final Cut" (it's just rubbish). Now Michael Mann did the Final Cut for Manhunter and the 4k version is now out, being rereleased in September. The person in the back row silently weeping salty tears will be me. Why can't they leave well enough alone?

    I haven't seen the other two, but Manhunter (1986) is very close to being THE perfect film. Never get tired of watching it.
    I can't think of a film to rival it in the serial killer genre. Unless you count Don't Look Now.
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