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  • RobDRobD Posts: 61,162

    Breaking news - Burnham has announced that Manchester is to be designated our capital city, replacing London.

    Finally, the full decant is on.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,763
    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    Obviously, in today's modern world, there's no requirement for the Prime Minister to live above their workplace.

    If Andy Burnham wants to live in Manchester or Penzance or Stornaway, that shouldn't be any kind of impediment to being able to do the job.

    I mean, the King and Queen aren't going to live in Buckingham Palace but use Clarence House and no one seems that bothered. We need to get out of the 20th century mindset of associating places with roles - the world has changed.

    Clarence House is a few minutes walk from Buckingham Palace, Manchester is the other side of the country from Downing St
    IF the King and Queen chose to live at Balmoral, would that matter ?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,307
    HYUFD said:

    Have you seen the prices in London?

    I don't blame Andy Burnham wanting to say in the North as much as possible.

    Recently in London I paid £6 a bottle for a 330ml bottle of Coke plus the service charge!

    Yes but the PM gets his own cooks at No 10 and chef at Chequers as part of the job and is on a six figure salary
    Plenty of entitled Champagne Socialists in Cabinet to take up the reins.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,211
    HYUFD said:

    'Andy Burnham reportedly has no plans to live in No 10 and will remain at his home in Manchester

    It would make him the first PM since Harold Wilson not to live in No 10'

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2071656704941441060?s=20

    Excellent! I wonder how many asylum seekers could be housed in No. 10?
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,211
    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Andy Burnham reportedly has no plans to live in No 10 and will remain at his home in Manchester

    It would make him the first PM since Harold Wilson not to live in No 10'

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2071656704941441060?s=20

    Technically the PM sometimes lives at Number 11, whose flat is larger. But do they mean Burnham will not even work at Number 10 and will remain in its northern outpost?
    He will work at his new Northern Number 10 at least one day a week apparently and will spend every night in Manchester not No 10
    He's aiming to be the first hybrid PM. Two days a week he will be PM on Teams or Zoom only. Maybe.
    He's definitely standing down as Mayor of Manchester?
    Yes, but he’s ensuring he will have a vote on his successor.
  • ManchesterKurtManchesterKurt Posts: 1,038
    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    Obviously, in today's modern world, there's no requirement for the Prime Minister to live above their workplace.

    If Andy Burnham wants to live in Manchester or Penzance or Stornaway, that shouldn't be any kind of impediment to being able to do the job.

    I mean, the King and Queen aren't going to live in Buckingham Palace but use Clarence House and no one seems that bothered. We need to get out of the 20th century mindset of associating places with roles - the world has changed.

    Clarence House is a few minutes walk from Buckingham Palace, Manchester is the other side of the country from Downing St
    if you lot had not balls up HS2 it would have been a heap closer, your comments about distance being a barrier to effective working highlights just how awful a decision that was
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,670
    DavidL said:

    A bad day to bury good news?

    "Resident doctors in England accept pay deal and end strikes"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy01n5z48qo

    Poor Wes.
    Think he's been vindicated to be honest.
    It seems like you need to change PM to get the Resident Doctors to agree to a pay deal. I hope Burnham has signed them up for a long stretch.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 14,485
    edited 7:35PM
    FYI from a logistics perspective, DIRFT near Rugby is the centre of the UK, and also the site of some of the most boring work conferences I have ever been to. The population centre is somewhere in Leicestershire, depending on how you measure it.

    And my amateur GIS skillz are giving me Stafford for UK-without-London, and the centre of deprivation (bottom 20% IMD) - my God - it's Manchester! 70 miles north of population centre, which is remarkable.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,282

    Breaking news - Burnham has announced that Manchester is to be designated our capital city, replacing London.

    I appreciate that politicians struggle to think about next week, let alone the long term, but what happens to all this nonsense when the PM is not from Manchester?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,352
    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    Obviously, in today's modern world, there's no requirement for the Prime Minister to live above their workplace.

    If Andy Burnham wants to live in Manchester or Penzance or Stornaway, that shouldn't be any kind of impediment to being able to do the job.

    I mean, the King and Queen aren't going to live in Buckingham Palace but use Clarence House and no one seems that bothered. We need to get out of the 20th century mindset of associating places with roles - the world has changed.

    Clarence House is a few minutes walk from Buckingham Palace, Manchester is the other side of the country from Downing St
    IF the King and Queen chose to live at Balmoral, would that matter ?
    They go their for the summer holidays, most of the year the King resides in and works in London. It would be an issue if the King lived most of the year in Balmoral as well
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,670
    DavidL said:

    Breaking news - Burnham has announced that Manchester is to be designated our capital city, replacing London.

    I appreciate that politicians struggle to think about next week, let alone the long term, but what happens to all this nonsense when the PM is not from Manchester?
    Isn't it treason to talk about the death of the King?
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,211
    stodge said:

    Obviously, in today's modern world, there's no requirement for the Prime Minister to live above their workplace.

    If Andy Burnham wants to live in Manchester or Penzance or Stornaway, that shouldn't be any kind of impediment to being able to do the job.

    I mean, the King and Queen aren't going to live in Buckingham Palace but use Clarence House and no one seems that bothered. We need to get out of the 20th century mindset of associating places with roles - the world has changed.

    He could base David Lammy in Stornoway.
    In unrelated news, Stornoway black pudding is excellent.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,959
    DavidL said:

    Breaking news - Burnham has announced that Manchester is to be designated our capital city, replacing London.

    I appreciate that politicians struggle to think about next week, let alone the long term, but what happens to all this nonsense when the PM is not from Manchester?
    I'm imagining Number 10 North as something like this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb7tKxaHTvY
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,352
    edited 7:40PM
    DavidL said:

    Breaking news - Burnham has announced that Manchester is to be designated our capital city, replacing London.

    I appreciate that politicians struggle to think about next week, let alone the long term, but what happens to all this nonsense when the PM is not from Manchester?
    I think after a few years of all this commuting of the PM from No 10 in Westminster to their home in Manchester, voters will want a PM who lives in the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,763
    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    Obviously, in today's modern world, there's no requirement for the Prime Minister to live above their workplace.

    If Andy Burnham wants to live in Manchester or Penzance or Stornaway, that shouldn't be any kind of impediment to being able to do the job.

    I mean, the King and Queen aren't going to live in Buckingham Palace but use Clarence House and no one seems that bothered. We need to get out of the 20th century mindset of associating places with roles - the world has changed.

    Clarence House is a few minutes walk from Buckingham Palace, Manchester is the other side of the country from Downing St
    IF the King and Queen chose to live at Balmoral, would that matter ?
    They go their for the summer holidays, most of the year the King resides in and works in London. It would be an issue if the King lived most of the year in Balmoral as well
    How so?

    He could still receive foreign dignitaries - his office could be at Balmoral - contents of correspondence and paperwork could be digitised in London and read by the King in Scotland.

    So much of this thinking comes from the age of pen and paper.....
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,352
    edited 7:43PM
    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    Obviously, in today's modern world, there's no requirement for the Prime Minister to live above their workplace.

    If Andy Burnham wants to live in Manchester or Penzance or Stornaway, that shouldn't be any kind of impediment to being able to do the job.

    I mean, the King and Queen aren't going to live in Buckingham Palace but use Clarence House and no one seems that bothered. We need to get out of the 20th century mindset of associating places with roles - the world has changed.

    Clarence House is a few minutes walk from Buckingham Palace, Manchester is the other side of the country from Downing St
    IF the King and Queen chose to live at Balmoral, would that matter ?
    They go their for the summer holidays, most of the year the King resides in and works in London. It would be an issue if the King lived most of the year in Balmoral as well
    How so?

    He could still receive foreign dignitaries - his office could be at Balmoral - contents of correspondence and paperwork could be digitised in London and read by the King in Scotland.

    So much of this thinking comes from the age of pen and paper.....
    The security isn't as strong and most foreign leaders will want to meet him in Buckingham Palace and attend state dinners there as will most of those he is hosting receptions for
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,420
    I’m surprised we didn’t see the gospel choir and doves being released to celebrate the Messiahs speech today !

    It seems like a lot of performative nonsense this No 10 North , maybe I’m just too cynical now .

  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,670
    My wife has suggested that the newspapers will airtag Burnham to keep track of where he sleeps each night and discover that he's juggling three affairs.

    Working away from home has often been used as a cover for affairs, so I can see how it would work.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,868
    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    Obviously, in today's modern world, there's no requirement for the Prime Minister to live above their workplace.

    If Andy Burnham wants to live in Manchester or Penzance or Stornaway, that shouldn't be any kind of impediment to being able to do the job.

    I mean, the King and Queen aren't going to live in Buckingham Palace but use Clarence House and no one seems that bothered. We need to get out of the 20th century mindset of associating places with roles - the world has changed.

    Clarence House is a few minutes walk from Buckingham Palace, Manchester is the other side of the country from Downing St
    IF the King and Queen chose to live at Balmoral, would that matter ?
    They go their for the summer holidays, most of the year the King resides in and works in London. It would be an issue if the King lived most of the year in Balmoral as well
    How so?

    He could still receive foreign dignitaries - his office could be at Balmoral - contents of correspondence and paperwork could be digitised in London and read by the King in Scotland.

    So much of this thinking comes from the age of pen and paper.....
    If Burnham intends to alternate between Manchester and London, please may I have Chequers? I promise to keep it tidy, and will cheerfully hand over the keys to his successor in the fulness of time.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,211
    Eabhal said:

    FYI from a logistics perspective, DIRFT near Rugby is the centre of the UK, and also the site of some of the most boring work conferences I have ever been to. The population centre is somewhere in Leicestershire, depending on how you measure it.

    And my amateur GIS skillz are giving me Stafford for UK-without-London, and the centre of deprivation (bottom 20% IMD) - my God - it's Manchester! 70 miles north of population centre, which is remarkable.

    We are currently on holiday 5 miles from Haltwhistle, which advertises itself as the centre of Britain. Are you confusing the centre of England with the centre of Britain?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 48,137
    RobD said:

    Breaking news - Burnham has announced that Manchester is to be designated our capital city, replacing London.

    Finally, the full decant is on.
    You can full some of decants all of the time..
  • eekeek Posts: 34,305
    edited 7:45PM
    stodge said:

    Obviously, in today's modern world, there's no requirement for the Prime Minister to live above their workplace.

    If Andy Burnham wants to live in Manchester or Penzance or Stornaway, that shouldn't be any kind of impediment to being able to do the job.

    I mean, the King and Queen aren't going to live in Buckingham Palace but use Clarence House and no one seems that bothered. We need to get out of the 20th century mindset of associating places with roles - the world has changed.

    Clarence House to Buckingham Palace is about 400 yards although I suspect the King is driven..
  • RobDRobD Posts: 61,162
    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    Obviously, in today's modern world, there's no requirement for the Prime Minister to live above their workplace.

    If Andy Burnham wants to live in Manchester or Penzance or Stornaway, that shouldn't be any kind of impediment to being able to do the job.

    I mean, the King and Queen aren't going to live in Buckingham Palace but use Clarence House and no one seems that bothered. We need to get out of the 20th century mindset of associating places with roles - the world has changed.

    Clarence House is a few minutes walk from Buckingham Palace, Manchester is the other side of the country from Downing St
    IF the King and Queen chose to live at Balmoral, would that matter ?
    They go their for the summer holidays, most of the year the King resides in and works in London. It would be an issue if the King lived most of the year in Balmoral as well
    How so?

    He could still receive foreign dignitaries - his office could be at Balmoral - contents of correspondence and paperwork could be digitised in London and read by the King in Scotland.

    So much of this thinking comes from the age of pen and paper.....
    Has a politician ever thrived when being isolated from everyone else in government? Yes it’s possible to have papers digitised and what-not, but a key part of a politician is meeting with people. Can’t do that easily if you are hours away from the capital.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,363
    rcs1000 said:

    Personally, I think it is hard to justify the continuation of birthright citizenship. But I don't think constitutional amendments should be overrideable by executive orders.

    One of MAGA's attributes is an apparent complete incapacity to distinguish between political and constitutional issues, or acknowledge that the constitution sets out how those two things interact.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 14,485
    edited 7:47PM

    Eabhal said:

    FYI from a logistics perspective, DIRFT near Rugby is the centre of the UK, and also the site of some of the most boring work conferences I have ever been to. The population centre is somewhere in Leicestershire, depending on how you measure it.

    And my amateur GIS skillz are giving me Stafford for UK-without-London, and the centre of deprivation (bottom 20% IMD) - my God - it's Manchester! 70 miles north of population centre, which is remarkable.

    We are currently on holiday 5 miles from Haltwhistle, which advertises itself as the centre of Britain. Are you confusing the centre of England with the centre of Britain?
    Population centre != geographic centre, and the latter is debated in the UK because of the islands. Ordnance Survey think it's Morecambe Bay.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,211
    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    Breaking news - Burnham has announced that Manchester is to be designated our capital city, replacing London.

    I appreciate that politicians struggle to think about next week, let alone the long term, but what happens to all this nonsense when the PM is not from Manchester?
    I think after a few years of all this commuting of the PM from No 10 in Westminster to their home in Manchester, voters will want a PM who lives in the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
    I doubt it, but then I’m not London centric. If foreign dignitaries aren’t prepared to travel to Balmoral, they’re not worth talking to.
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,530

    I thought the Basic Law was to do with beer but he is an economist:



    Will Hutton
    @williamnhutton
    ·
    1h
    Andy Burnham refreshingly speaks human. But put aside the creation of No 10 North . The promise today to introduce something equivalent to Germany’s Article 107 of its Basic Law, equalising the resource available to every German region, is mind-blowing. This is real levelling up

    https://x.com/williamnhutton/status/2071657774254055842

    No that’s the Purity Law of 1516 (Reinheitsgebot) stating beer can only be made from hops, water, and malted barley ( well unless it’s wheat beer I guess!), as opposed to the Basic Law ( Grundgesetz ) of 1949 ( I think) which is essentially the German constitutional underpinning.

  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,670
    The other thing about Number 10 North - does it unnecessarily annoy the political lobby journalists?

    How will that affect reporting on Burnham's Ministry?
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,530
    welshowl said:

    I thought the Basic Law was to do with beer but he is an economist:



    Will Hutton
    @williamnhutton
    ·
    1h
    Andy Burnham refreshingly speaks human. But put aside the creation of No 10 North . The promise today to introduce something equivalent to Germany’s Article 107 of its Basic Law, equalising the resource available to every German region, is mind-blowing. This is real levelling up

    https://x.com/williamnhutton/status/2071657774254055842

    No that’s the Purity Law of 1516 (Reinheitsgebot) stating beer can only be made from hops, water, and malted barley ( well unless it’s wheat beer I guess!), as opposed to the Basic Law ( Grundgesetz ) of 1949 ( I think) which is essentially the German constitutional underpinning.

    Of course there’s a case that beer is Germany’s underpinning too.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,584
    Nigelb said:

    Legendary pharma industry commentator Derek Lowe says "the Trump administration is trying to destroy federally-funded research in the US as we know it and replace it with cronyism and worse."

    And who's not speaking up about it? The CEOs of major biopharma companies.

    Lowe calls this "odd," apparently using the word the same way I do. (It translates to "batshit crazy.")

    He points out:
    "(1) the great majority of the employees at these companies came through that exact funding system at some point in their careers, and (2) since the industry depends on the basic science research funded this way to make its own advances in applied and clinical applications."

    He has an explanation, though. He thinks they're all scared.

    https://x.com/matthewherper/status/2071625539342004360

    He’s right. But it is no individual company’s interest to stand up to a corrupt president
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,211
    eek said:

    stodge said:

    Obviously, in today's modern world, there's no requirement for the Prime Minister to live above their workplace.

    If Andy Burnham wants to live in Manchester or Penzance or Stornaway, that shouldn't be any kind of impediment to being able to do the job.

    I mean, the King and Queen aren't going to live in Buckingham Palace but use Clarence House and no one seems that bothered. We need to get out of the 20th century mindset of associating places with roles - the world has changed.

    Clarence House to Buckingham Palace is about 400 yards although I suspect the King is driven..
    I’m glad he’s driven. We don’t want a wishy washy King.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,352
    edited 7:53PM

    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    Breaking news - Burnham has announced that Manchester is to be designated our capital city, replacing London.

    I appreciate that politicians struggle to think about next week, let alone the long term, but what happens to all this nonsense when the PM is not from Manchester?
    I think after a few years of all this commuting of the PM from No 10 in Westminster to their home in Manchester, voters will want a PM who lives in the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
    I doubt it, but then I’m not London centric. If foreign dignitaries aren’t prepared to travel to Balmoral, they’re not worth talking to.
    The King doesn't expect most dignitaries to travel to Balmoral, he hosts most of them at Buckingham Palace or Windsor Castle. Even the PM is only required to come to Balmoral once a year
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,584

    HYUFD said:

    'Andy Burnham reportedly has no plans to live in No 10 and will remain at his home in Manchester

    It would make him the first PM since Harold Wilson not to live in No 10'

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2071656704941441060?s=20

    Technically the PM sometimes lives at Number 11, whose flat is larger. But do they mean Burnham will not even work at Number 10 and will remain in its northern outpost?
    He's going to have to be down in the Commons frequently, and unless he moves Whitehall entire up north the whole machinery of government is there. He's hardly going to commute every day.

    I'm certain he'll end up sleeping many nights in Number Ten, but I guess when I was working in London during the week for months I didn't move there.

    We'll see how long this lasts. I can imagine some of the papers being very interested in where he is sleeping each night now.
    With his new tax plans I’m sure he’d rather pay council tax in Manc…
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,211
    edited 7:56PM
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    Breaking news - Burnham has announced that Manchester is to be designated our capital city, replacing London.

    I appreciate that politicians struggle to think about next week, let alone the long term, but what happens to all this nonsense when the PM is not from Manchester?
    I think after a few years of all this commuting of the PM from No 10 in Westminster to their home in Manchester, voters will want a PM who lives in the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
    I doubt it, but then I’m not London centric. If foreign dignitaries aren’t prepared to travel to Balmoral, they’re not worth talking to.
    The King doesn't expect most dignitaries to travel to Balmoral, he hosts most of them at Buckingham Palace or Windsor Castle. Even the PM is only required to come to Balmoral once a year
    It’s not much fun pulling your leg, HYUFD. You rise to the bait far too easily. 😄 You remind me of Margo Leadbetter (sadly missed).
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,763
    Right, trying to improve my understanding of the Vagrancy Act:

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/rough-sleeping-no-longer-a-crime-as-vagrancy-act-repealed

    The repeal of said Act is all about rough sleeping and homelessness but the original proposals put forward by the Sunak Government in 2023 were as much about begging:

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/criminal-justice-bill-2023-factsheets/criminal-justice-bill-nuisance-begging-and-rough-sleeping

    Steve Reed points to measures in the Crime & Policing Act 2026 which are meant to deal with begging which was outlawed under the 1824 Vagrancy Act. Is begging now legal - I'm not sure?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,234
    edited 7:57PM

    My wife has suggested that the newspapers will airtag Burnham to keep track of where he sleeps each night and discover that he's juggling three affairs.

    Working away from home has often been used as a cover for affairs, so I can see how it would work.

    Pro tip for having an affair.

    Disable the auto-syncing of your photo library to iCloud so your wife cannot see what you've been up to on the photo gallery of the iPad you've left at home.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,107
    FF43 said:

    Kemi Badenoch compares Ed Miliband to a Nigerian military dictator.

    https://x.com/spectator/status/2071561826916073777

    Kemi Badenoch is deranged.
    Possibly true, but Conservative people like her. And unfortunately, that's what counts
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 6,374

    https://x.com/dpjhodges/status/2071644298882249078

    Latest on Burnham’s plans:

    * As PM he will spend a minimum of a day a week in “No.10 North”

    * He will not use No.10 as his main residence. His primary home will remain in the North West

    * Senior advisors have already begun work on establishing the Northern Downing Street

    I'm quite interested as the actual location for the No10 of the North office.

    Presumably it will require significant security and Manc really is not that big so there cannot be that may options.

    I'm thinking around Piccadilly somewhere, but nowhere springs to mind (until the Mayfield stuff is ready, but that is years away).
    The Roebuck in Urmston

    Should have been the Yates Wine Lodge but thats closed
    Downing Street Industrial Estate, Manchester. A couple of hundred years down from the GM office and right by Piccadilly.

    https://maps.app.goo.gl/ekRifjZow7G9gyqc7
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 13,559

    My wife has suggested that the newspapers will airtag Burnham to keep track of where he sleeps each night and discover that he's juggling three affairs.

    Working away from home has often been used as a cover for affairs, so I can see how it would work.

    Pro tip for having an affair.

    Disable the auto-syncing of your photo library to iCloud so your wife cannot see what you've been up to on the photo gallery of the iPad you've left at home.
    Or don’t take pictures? Radical idea I know.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,233

    The other thing about Number 10 North - does it unnecessarily annoy the political lobby journalists?

    How will that affect reporting on Burnham's Ministry?

    Political journalism is way too London centric so sounds great tbh
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,540
    viewcode said:

    FF43 said:

    Kemi Badenoch compares Ed Miliband to a Nigerian military dictator.

    https://x.com/spectator/status/2071561826916073777

    Kemi Badenoch is deranged.
    Possibly true, but Conservative people like her. And unfortunately, that's what counts
    Our son called today who has been a Reform supporter and surprised us by saying he was very impressed with Kemi and prefers the conservatives
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,811
    edited 8:17PM
    Hmmm. Junior / Resident Doctors accept pay settlement.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy01n5z48qo

    On it's face that is good news for the Govt, as approximately 1.5 million appointments have been lost or delayed during the dispute. As a ballpark I make that 300k or 400k per annum, which is a significant number. On its face that may be an extra million appointments not cancelled and not delayed by the next Election. That could be an extra 10-15% of the waiting list.

    But I have not yet got my head around the precise settlement, the financial implications for the NHS, or what the agreement was that finally made it over the line.

    As with all these, only time will tell.

    I'm sticking with my estimate that the waiting list in England needs to be down to around 5 million for Mr Starmer Burnham to be able to claim an unquestionable success. That is back to pre-Covid levels.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,540
    nico67 said:

    I’m surprised we didn’t see the gospel choir and doves being released to celebrate the Messiahs speech today !

    It seems like a lot of performative nonsense this No 10 North , maybe I’m just too cynical now .

    When reality kicks in and Burnham finds himself PM, then the demands on his time in London and abroad will overtake him on pure practicalities
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,580
    It will be very interesting to see No 10 North put into action, and even more interesting to see whether the next government sticks with it. Perhaps the No 10 shadow, so to speak, will become a movable concern.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 6,054

    My wife has suggested that the newspapers will airtag Burnham to keep track of where he sleeps each night and discover that he's juggling three affairs.

    Working away from home has often been used as a cover for affairs, so I can see how it would work.

    Pro tip for having an affair.

    Disable the auto-syncing of your photo library to iCloud so your wife cannot see what you've been up to on the photo gallery of the iPad you've left at home.
    /Oddly Specific


    This idea of not staying in London won't last a week. It could just about be done from here (90 minutes) but I still wouldn't.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,811

    My wife has suggested that the newspapers will airtag Burnham to keep track of where he sleeps each night and discover that he's juggling three affairs.

    Working away from home has often been used as a cover for affairs, so I can see how it would work.

    Pro tip for having an affair.

    Disable the auto-syncing of your photo library to iCloud so your wife cannot see what you've been up to on the photo gallery of the iPad you've left at home.
    /Oddly Specific


    This idea of not staying in London won't last a week. It could just about be done from here (90 minutes) but I still wouldn't.
    Really pro tip for having an affair in a far less complicated manner.

    Do not have a wife.
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 5,287
    viewcode said:

    FF43 said:

    Kemi Badenoch compares Ed Miliband to a Nigerian military dictator.

    https://x.com/spectator/status/2071561826916073777

    Kemi Badenoch is deranged.
    Possibly true, but Conservative people like her. And unfortunately, that's what counts
    She seems to be taking a lesson out of Trump's playbook by taking every opportunity to throw gratuitous insults.

    Her mission may be to retro brand the Conservatives as the Nasty Party again.

  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,580

    My wife has suggested that the newspapers will airtag Burnham to keep track of where he sleeps each night and discover that he's juggling three affairs.

    Working away from home has often been used as a cover for affairs, so I can see how it would work.

    Pro tip for having an affair.

    Disable the auto-syncing of your photo library to iCloud so your wife cannot see what you've been up to on the photo gallery of the iPad you've left at home.
    /Oddly Specific


    This idea of not staying in London won't last a week. It could just about be done from here (90 minutes) but I still wouldn't.
    Most people who apply for a job have to accept they go where the job is. Will he turn up in Parliament for PMQs?
  • ManchesterKurtManchesterKurt Posts: 1,038

    My wife has suggested that the newspapers will airtag Burnham to keep track of where he sleeps each night and discover that he's juggling three affairs.

    Working away from home has often been used as a cover for affairs, so I can see how it would work.

    Pro tip for having an affair.

    Disable the auto-syncing of your photo library to iCloud so your wife cannot see what you've been up to on the photo gallery of the iPad you've left at home.
    /Oddly Specific


    This idea of not staying in London won't last a week. It could just about be done from here (90 minutes) but I still wouldn't.
    I used to work three days in Manc, Mon, Wed & Fri and Tues & Thurs in London, for several years, commuting with Virgin West Coast.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 6,107
    Pulpstar said:

    The other thing about Number 10 North - does it unnecessarily annoy the political lobby journalists?

    How will that affect reporting on Burnham's Ministry?

    Political journalism is way too London centric so sounds great tbh
    I do enjoy the "we totally aren't London-centric" reporting which only feels the need to mention the location of 'an event' if it's... not London. My favourite BBC news item on that front is still a presenter of the PM programme on R4 doing a piece and asking someone from far, far away distant Essex what it was like being a teacher with an accent. Entirely un-self-aware. Almost glorious in its way.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,363

    My wife has suggested that the newspapers will airtag Burnham to keep track of where he sleeps each night and discover that he's juggling three affairs.

    Working away from home has often been used as a cover for affairs, so I can see how it would work.

    Pro tip for having an affair.

    Disable the auto-syncing of your photo library to iCloud so your wife cannot see what you've been up to on the photo gallery of the iPad you've left at home.
    Voice of experience ?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,234

    My wife has suggested that the newspapers will airtag Burnham to keep track of where he sleeps each night and discover that he's juggling three affairs.

    Working away from home has often been used as a cover for affairs, so I can see how it would work.

    Pro tip for having an affair.

    Disable the auto-syncing of your photo library to iCloud so your wife cannot see what you've been up to on the photo gallery of the iPad you've left at home.
    /Oddly Specific


    This idea of not staying in London won't last a week. It could just about be done from here (90 minutes) but I still wouldn't.
    On a totally unrelated subject, I was divorced once.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,363
    Good lord, is he still going on about challenging ?

    Ex-minister not ruling out leadership bid yet
    https://x.com/BBCPolitics/status/2071507971834568823

    (Reported this morning)
  • eekeek Posts: 34,305

    My wife has suggested that the newspapers will airtag Burnham to keep track of where he sleeps each night and discover that he's juggling three affairs.

    Working away from home has often been used as a cover for affairs, so I can see how it would work.

    Pro tip for having an affair.

    Disable the auto-syncing of your photo library to iCloud so your wife cannot see what you've been up to on the photo gallery of the iPad you've left at home.
    /Oddly Specific


    This idea of not staying in London won't last a week. It could just about be done from here (90 minutes) but I still wouldn't.
    I used to work three days in Manc, Mon, Wed & Fri and Tues & Thurs in London, for several years, commuting with Virgin West Coast.
    I suspect WCML isn't an option for the PM for security reasons. Unless that was the reason why (back in January) that early morning train to London wasn't going to have passengers.
  • ManchesterKurtManchesterKurt Posts: 1,038
    eek said:

    My wife has suggested that the newspapers will airtag Burnham to keep track of where he sleeps each night and discover that he's juggling three affairs.

    Working away from home has often been used as a cover for affairs, so I can see how it would work.

    Pro tip for having an affair.

    Disable the auto-syncing of your photo library to iCloud so your wife cannot see what you've been up to on the photo gallery of the iPad you've left at home.
    /Oddly Specific


    This idea of not staying in London won't last a week. It could just about be done from here (90 minutes) but I still wouldn't.
    I used to work three days in Manc, Mon, Wed & Fri and Tues & Thurs in London, for several years, commuting with Virgin West Coast.
    I suspect WCML isn't an option for the PM for security reasons. Unless that was the reason why (back in January) that early morning train to London wasn't going to have passengers.
    Presumably he'll just reserve carriage H for him and his security team whenever they travel.

    Not the same, but United do the same when travelling to London.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,234
    Nigelb said:

    My wife has suggested that the newspapers will airtag Burnham to keep track of where he sleeps each night and discover that he's juggling three affairs.

    Working away from home has often been used as a cover for affairs, so I can see how it would work.

    Pro tip for having an affair.

    Disable the auto-syncing of your photo library to iCloud so your wife cannot see what you've been up to on the photo gallery of the iPad you've left at home.
    Voice of experience ?
    Yes.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 6,107
    stodge said:

    Right, trying to improve my understanding of the Vagrancy Act:

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/rough-sleeping-no-longer-a-crime-as-vagrancy-act-repealed

    The repeal of said Act is all about rough sleeping and homelessness but the original proposals put forward by the Sunak Government in 2023 were as much about begging:

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/criminal-justice-bill-2023-factsheets/criminal-justice-bill-nuisance-begging-and-rough-sleeping

    Steve Reed points to measures in the Crime & Policing Act 2026 which are meant to deal with begging which was outlawed under the 1824 Vagrancy Act. Is begging now legal - I'm not sure?

    I remember how surprised I was as a young'un - reading some Orwell piece that mentioned the 1824 act as being the reason we had tramps (or 'trampers') as they couldn't sleep more than one or two nights in the same place so had to 'tramp' to the next. I think I'd always had the impression "it was just what they did" in some vague not-really-thinking way.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,580
    eek said:

    My wife has suggested that the newspapers will airtag Burnham to keep track of where he sleeps each night and discover that he's juggling three affairs.

    Working away from home has often been used as a cover for affairs, so I can see how it would work.

    Pro tip for having an affair.

    Disable the auto-syncing of your photo library to iCloud so your wife cannot see what you've been up to on the photo gallery of the iPad you've left at home.
    /Oddly Specific


    This idea of not staying in London won't last a week. It could just about be done from here (90 minutes) but I still wouldn't.
    I used to work three days in Manc, Mon, Wed & Fri and Tues & Thurs in London, for several years, commuting with Virgin West Coast.
    I suspect WCML isn't an option for the PM for security reasons. Unless that was the reason why (back in January) that early morning train to London wasn't going to have passengers.
    Maybe he's planning to be in the helicopter rather than the train.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,811
    DougSeal said:

    My wife has suggested that the newspapers will airtag Burnham to keep track of where he sleeps each night and discover that he's juggling three affairs.

    Working away from home has often been used as a cover for affairs, so I can see how it would work.

    Pro tip for having an affair.

    Disable the auto-syncing of your photo library to iCloud so your wife cannot see what you've been up to on the photo gallery of the iPad you've left at home.
    Or don’t take pictures? Radical idea I know.
    The Daily T was fun today.

    They are declaiming that having less centralised power in the UK is undemocratic, and socialism by the backdoor.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-b_WeVbRtM

    Tim Stanley has lost his normal spectacles, so is on dark sunglasses, and someone in the comments said it looked as if it was being hosted by "Peters and Lee".
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 5,287
    ohnotnow said:

    Pulpstar said:

    The other thing about Number 10 North - does it unnecessarily annoy the political lobby journalists?

    How will that affect reporting on Burnham's Ministry?

    Political journalism is way too London centric so sounds great tbh
    I do enjoy the "we totally aren't London-centric" reporting which only feels the need to mention the location of 'an event' if it's... not London. My favourite BBC news item on that front is still a presenter of the PM programme on R4 doing a piece and asking someone from far, far away distant Essex what it was like being a teacher with an accent. Entirely un-self-aware. Almost glorious in its way.
    I had to laugh this afternoon when the BBC journalists were openly moaning that Burnham wasn't indulging their idea of their own importance by taking questions after his speech today. Perhaps it was because he wanted reporting to concentrate on what he had to say, rather than the separate agenda they wished to push on him. Long may it last.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,818

    Do prime minsiters and presidents from other countries meet AB at his London or Manchester No10 in the future for state visits?

    Golborne.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,937

    ohnotnow said:

    Pulpstar said:

    The other thing about Number 10 North - does it unnecessarily annoy the political lobby journalists?

    How will that affect reporting on Burnham's Ministry?

    Political journalism is way too London centric so sounds great tbh
    I do enjoy the "we totally aren't London-centric" reporting which only feels the need to mention the location of 'an event' if it's... not London. My favourite BBC news item on that front is still a presenter of the PM programme on R4 doing a piece and asking someone from far, far away distant Essex what it was like being a teacher with an accent. Entirely un-self-aware. Almost glorious in its way.
    I had to laugh this afternoon when the BBC journalists were openly moaning that Burnham wasn't indulging their idea of their own importance by taking questions after his speech today. Perhaps it was because he wanted reporting to concentrate on what he had to say, rather than the separate agenda they wished to push on him. Long may it last.
    If they're lucky, they may get to touch his cloak.
  • eekeek Posts: 34,305
    A whole issue I never knew existed - Home educate your "slightly" disabled child to get more benefits than full time working

    https://x.com/johndotwills/status/2071576317514973674

    Now granted it will permanently screw up those children but from the parents point of view it's free extra money...
  • eekeek Posts: 34,305
    A whole issue I never knew existed - Home educate your "slightly" disabled child to get more benefits than full time working

    https://x.com/johndotwills/status/2071576317514973674

    Now granted it will permanently screw up those children but from the parents point of view it's free extra money...
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,580

    eek said:

    My wife has suggested that the newspapers will airtag Burnham to keep track of where he sleeps each night and discover that he's juggling three affairs.

    Working away from home has often been used as a cover for affairs, so I can see how it would work.

    Pro tip for having an affair.

    Disable the auto-syncing of your photo library to iCloud so your wife cannot see what you've been up to on the photo gallery of the iPad you've left at home.
    /Oddly Specific


    This idea of not staying in London won't last a week. It could just about be done from here (90 minutes) but I still wouldn't.
    I used to work three days in Manc, Mon, Wed & Fri and Tues & Thurs in London, for several years, commuting with Virgin West Coast.
    I suspect WCML isn't an option for the PM for security reasons. Unless that was the reason why (back in January) that early morning train to London wasn't going to have passengers.
    Presumably he'll just reserve carriage H for him and his security team whenever they travel.

    Not the same, but United do the same when travelling to London.
    Will it survive the first close vote when bad weather prevents him getting to parliament.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,818

    ohnotnow said:

    Pulpstar said:

    The other thing about Number 10 North - does it unnecessarily annoy the political lobby journalists?

    How will that affect reporting on Burnham's Ministry?

    Political journalism is way too London centric so sounds great tbh
    I do enjoy the "we totally aren't London-centric" reporting which only feels the need to mention the location of 'an event' if it's... not London. My favourite BBC news item on that front is still a presenter of the PM programme on R4 doing a piece and asking someone from far, far away distant Essex what it was like being a teacher with an accent. Entirely un-self-aware. Almost glorious in its way.
    I had to laugh this afternoon when the BBC journalists were openly moaning that Burnham wasn't indulging their idea of their own importance by taking questions after his speech today. Perhaps it was because he wanted reporting to concentrate on what he had to say, rather than the separate agenda they wished to push on him. Long may it last.
    Every question would be about the makeup of his Cabinet.
    And every answer or non-answer would be the story.
    A speech is a speech. By the MP for Makerfield.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 61,162

    ohnotnow said:

    Pulpstar said:

    The other thing about Number 10 North - does it unnecessarily annoy the political lobby journalists?

    How will that affect reporting on Burnham's Ministry?

    Political journalism is way too London centric so sounds great tbh
    I do enjoy the "we totally aren't London-centric" reporting which only feels the need to mention the location of 'an event' if it's... not London. My favourite BBC news item on that front is still a presenter of the PM programme on R4 doing a piece and asking someone from far, far away distant Essex what it was like being a teacher with an accent. Entirely un-self-aware. Almost glorious in its way.
    I had to laugh this afternoon when the BBC journalists were openly moaning that Burnham wasn't indulging their idea of their own importance by taking questions after his speech today. Perhaps it was because he wanted reporting to concentrate on what he had to say, rather than the separate agenda they wished to push on him. Long may it last.
    Heaven forbid a politician answer a question!
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 6,054

    My wife has suggested that the newspapers will airtag Burnham to keep track of where he sleeps each night and discover that he's juggling three affairs.

    Working away from home has often been used as a cover for affairs, so I can see how it would work.

    Pro tip for having an affair.

    Disable the auto-syncing of your photo library to iCloud so your wife cannot see what you've been up to on the photo gallery of the iPad you've left at home.
    /Oddly Specific


    This idea of not staying in London won't last a week. It could just about be done from here (90 minutes) but I still wouldn't.
    I used to work three days in Manc, Mon, Wed & Fri and Tues & Thurs in London, for several years, commuting with Virgin West Coast.
    Eek!

    Though being PM isn't just a job, and he's talking about daily.

    I wonder if he's expecting it to just be a scaled up mayoral job? Surely he should know better having already been in government?
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 5,287
    Nigelb said:

    Good lord, is he still going on about challenging ?

    Ex-minister not ruling out leadership bid yet
    https://x.com/BBCPolitics/status/2071507971834568823

    (Reported this morning)

    Wouldn't get 8 nominations now let alone 81.
  • eekeek Posts: 34,305
    edited 8:31PM

    ohnotnow said:

    Pulpstar said:

    The other thing about Number 10 North - does it unnecessarily annoy the political lobby journalists?

    How will that affect reporting on Burnham's Ministry?

    Political journalism is way too London centric so sounds great tbh
    I do enjoy the "we totally aren't London-centric" reporting which only feels the need to mention the location of 'an event' if it's... not London. My favourite BBC news item on that front is still a presenter of the PM programme on R4 doing a piece and asking someone from far, far away distant Essex what it was like being a teacher with an accent. Entirely un-self-aware. Almost glorious in its way.
    I had to laugh this afternoon when the BBC journalists were openly moaning that Burnham wasn't indulging their idea of their own importance by taking questions after his speech today. Perhaps it was because he wanted reporting to concentrate on what he had to say, rather than the separate agenda they wished to push on him. Long may it last.
    I said so at this morning and I hope the rule continues, occasional interviews but for announcements here is a speech no questions at the end but if there are questions anything not on topic should be treated with the response not relevant and the questioner banned from asking questions for 6 months.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,016
    Taz said:

    DougSeal said:

    My wife has suggested that the newspapers will airtag Burnham to keep track of where he sleeps each night and discover that he's juggling three affairs.

    Working away from home has often been used as a cover for affairs, so I can see how it would work.

    Pro tip for having an affair.

    Disable the auto-syncing of your photo library to iCloud so your wife cannot see what you've been up to on the photo gallery of the iPad you've left at home.
    Or don’t take pictures? Radical idea I know.
    Or just don’t betray your partner in the first place. Novel concept.
    Even crazier - marry the person you want to sleep with.

    (divorce lawyers hate this one simple trick)
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 6,107
    edited 8:34PM
    RobD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    Obviously, in today's modern world, there's no requirement for the Prime Minister to live above their workplace.

    If Andy Burnham wants to live in Manchester or Penzance or Stornaway, that shouldn't be any kind of impediment to being able to do the job.

    I mean, the King and Queen aren't going to live in Buckingham Palace but use Clarence House and no one seems that bothered. We need to get out of the 20th century mindset of associating places with roles - the world has changed.

    Clarence House is a few minutes walk from Buckingham Palace, Manchester is the other side of the country from Downing St
    IF the King and Queen chose to live at Balmoral, would that matter ?
    They go their for the summer holidays, most of the year the King resides in and works in London. It would be an issue if the King lived most of the year in Balmoral as well
    How so?

    He could still receive foreign dignitaries - his office could be at Balmoral - contents of correspondence and paperwork could be digitised in London and read by the King in Scotland.

    So much of this thinking comes from the age of pen and paper.....
    Has a politician ever thrived when being isolated from everyone else in government? Yes it’s possible to have papers digitised and what-not, but a key part of a politician is meeting with people. Can’t do that easily if you are hours away from the capital.
    I seem to remember reading something along the lines that one of the reasons the Scottish Enlightenment eventually took off was that the royal court and hangers-on, lawyers, etc all fecked off down to London and left them too it when James moved.

    Maybe London will have it's own enlightenment when the flock moves north to tug their forelocks and plot and intrigue and gossip up North.

    Entirely unrelated - but YT recommended this to me and I'm both delighted and horrified :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1SZs4xudf8

    " Doctor Who - The Theme Tune (as Ron Grainer intended) "
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,352
    edited 8:34PM
    dixiedean said:

    Do prime minsiters and presidents from other countries meet AB at his London or Manchester No10 in the future for state visits?

    Golborne.
    Trump sometimes hosts visitors and foreign leaders at Mar a Lago in Florida but even he is only there a third of the year at most. Burnham is intending to spend most of the year as PM in Manchester it seems ie every evening, every weekend and at least one full working day a week
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,210

    My wife has suggested that the newspapers will airtag Burnham to keep track of where he sleeps each night and discover that he's juggling three affairs.

    Working away from home has often been used as a cover for affairs, so I can see how it would work.

    Pro tip for having an affair.

    Disable the auto-syncing of your photo library to iCloud so your wife cannot see what you've been up to on the photo gallery of the iPad you've left at home.
    /Oddly Specific


    This idea of not staying in London won't last a week. It could just about be done from here (90 minutes) but I still wouldn't.
    I used to work three days in Manc, Mon, Wed & Fri and Tues & Thurs in London, for several years, commuting with Virgin West Coast.
    When I was working at Warwick Uni 2013-2018, I commuted up there on the Monday and came back to London on the Friday, also using West Coast.
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 5,287
    edited 8:34PM
    dixiedean said:

    Do prime minsiters and presidents from other countries meet AB at his London or Manchester No10 in the future for state visits?

    Golborne.
    Stubshaw Cross Community Centre (in Ashton) have a room available for hire.
  • eekeek Posts: 34,305
    RobD said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Pulpstar said:

    The other thing about Number 10 North - does it unnecessarily annoy the political lobby journalists?

    How will that affect reporting on Burnham's Ministry?

    Political journalism is way too London centric so sounds great tbh
    I do enjoy the "we totally aren't London-centric" reporting which only feels the need to mention the location of 'an event' if it's... not London. My favourite BBC news item on that front is still a presenter of the PM programme on R4 doing a piece and asking someone from far, far away distant Essex what it was like being a teacher with an accent. Entirely un-self-aware. Almost glorious in its way.
    I had to laugh this afternoon when the BBC journalists were openly moaning that Burnham wasn't indulging their idea of their own importance by taking questions after his speech today. Perhaps it was because he wanted reporting to concentrate on what he had to say, rather than the separate agenda they wished to push on him. Long may it last.
    Heaven forbid a politician answer a question!
    Given that the question would have been who is going to be your chancellor - it was sensible to not allow them.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,234

    Taz said:

    DougSeal said:

    My wife has suggested that the newspapers will airtag Burnham to keep track of where he sleeps each night and discover that he's juggling three affairs.

    Working away from home has often been used as a cover for affairs, so I can see how it would work.

    Pro tip for having an affair.

    Disable the auto-syncing of your photo library to iCloud so your wife cannot see what you've been up to on the photo gallery of the iPad you've left at home.
    Or don’t take pictures? Radical idea I know.
    Or just don’t betray your partner in the first place. Novel concept.
    Even crazier - marry the person you want to sleep with.

    (divorce lawyers hate this one simple trick)
    Monogamy is too cruel a rule.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,937
    AnneJGP said:

    My wife has suggested that the newspapers will airtag Burnham to keep track of where he sleeps each night and discover that he's juggling three affairs.

    Working away from home has often been used as a cover for affairs, so I can see how it would work.

    Pro tip for having an affair.

    Disable the auto-syncing of your photo library to iCloud so your wife cannot see what you've been up to on the photo gallery of the iPad you've left at home.
    /Oddly Specific


    This idea of not staying in London won't last a week. It could just about be done from here (90 minutes) but I still wouldn't.
    Most people who apply for a job have to accept they go where the job is. Will he turn up in Parliament for PMQs?
    His answer for everything appears to be "Manchester".

    I presume his next move will be to make Liam Gallagher Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 10,191

    viewcode said:

    FF43 said:

    Kemi Badenoch compares Ed Miliband to a Nigerian military dictator.

    https://x.com/spectator/status/2071561826916073777

    Kemi Badenoch is deranged.
    Possibly true, but Conservative people like her. And unfortunately, that's what counts
    She seems to be taking a lesson out of Trump's playbook by taking every opportunity to throw gratuitous insults.

    Her mission may be to retro brand the Conservatives as the Nasty Party again.

    Andy will charm her.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,210

    AnneJGP said:

    My wife has suggested that the newspapers will airtag Burnham to keep track of where he sleeps each night and discover that he's juggling three affairs.

    Working away from home has often been used as a cover for affairs, so I can see how it would work.

    Pro tip for having an affair.

    Disable the auto-syncing of your photo library to iCloud so your wife cannot see what you've been up to on the photo gallery of the iPad you've left at home.
    /Oddly Specific


    This idea of not staying in London won't last a week. It could just about be done from here (90 minutes) but I still wouldn't.
    Most people who apply for a job have to accept they go where the job is. Will he turn up in Parliament for PMQs?
    His answer for everything appears to be "Manchester".

    I presume his next move will be to make Liam Gallagher Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport.
    Blunderwall.
  • ManchesterKurtManchesterKurt Posts: 1,038

    My wife has suggested that the newspapers will airtag Burnham to keep track of where he sleeps each night and discover that he's juggling three affairs.

    Working away from home has often been used as a cover for affairs, so I can see how it would work.

    Pro tip for having an affair.

    Disable the auto-syncing of your photo library to iCloud so your wife cannot see what you've been up to on the photo gallery of the iPad you've left at home.
    /Oddly Specific


    This idea of not staying in London won't last a week. It could just about be done from here (90 minutes) but I still wouldn't.
    I used to work three days in Manc, Mon, Wed & Fri and Tues & Thurs in London, for several years, commuting with Virgin West Coast.
    When I was working at Warwick Uni 2013-2018, I commuted up there on the Monday and came back to London on the Friday, also using West Coast.
    I got to know the train managers well enough always to be allowed to sit in Coach C seat 1 or 2, the table just outside the managers office, the best seats on the train
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,624
    HYUFD said:

    'Britons tend to support the government's decision to scrap the two century-old law that made rough sleeping a criminal offence

    Support: 46%
    Oppose: 39%'

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/2071621980378239486?s=20

    Does this include wild camping? Just need to change what you say you are doing…
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,234

    AnneJGP said:

    My wife has suggested that the newspapers will airtag Burnham to keep track of where he sleeps each night and discover that he's juggling three affairs.

    Working away from home has often been used as a cover for affairs, so I can see how it would work.

    Pro tip for having an affair.

    Disable the auto-syncing of your photo library to iCloud so your wife cannot see what you've been up to on the photo gallery of the iPad you've left at home.
    /Oddly Specific


    This idea of not staying in London won't last a week. It could just about be done from here (90 minutes) but I still wouldn't.
    Most people who apply for a job have to accept they go where the job is. Will he turn up in Parliament for PMQs?
    His answer for everything appears to be "Manchester".

    I presume his next move will be to make Liam Gallagher Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport.
    Noel would be a better cabinet minister than Liam.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,279

    AnneJGP said:

    My wife has suggested that the newspapers will airtag Burnham to keep track of where he sleeps each night and discover that he's juggling three affairs.

    Working away from home has often been used as a cover for affairs, so I can see how it would work.

    Pro tip for having an affair.

    Disable the auto-syncing of your photo library to iCloud so your wife cannot see what you've been up to on the photo gallery of the iPad you've left at home.
    /Oddly Specific


    This idea of not staying in London won't last a week. It could just about be done from here (90 minutes) but I still wouldn't.
    Most people who apply for a job have to accept they go where the job is. Will he turn up in Parliament for PMQs?
    His answer for everything appears to be "Manchester".

    I presume his next move will be to make Liam Gallagher Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport.
    He seems to be more a fan of Morrissey, despite his far-right politics.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,892
    New Map Men. It's not that long since the last one!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zq5XtyV3yg
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,624

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    Obviously, in today's modern world, there's no requirement for the Prime Minister to live above their workplace.

    If Andy Burnham wants to live in Manchester or Penzance or Stornaway, that shouldn't be any kind of impediment to being able to do the job.

    I mean, the King and Queen aren't going to live in Buckingham Palace but use Clarence House and no one seems that bothered. We need to get out of the 20th century mindset of associating places with roles - the world has changed.

    Clarence House is a few minutes walk from Buckingham Palace, Manchester is the other side of the country from Downing St
    if you lot had not balls up HS2 it would have been a heap closer, your comments about distance being a barrier to effective working highlights just how awful a decision that was
    HS2 was never about speed.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 9,123

    AnneJGP said:

    My wife has suggested that the newspapers will airtag Burnham to keep track of where he sleeps each night and discover that he's juggling three affairs.

    Working away from home has often been used as a cover for affairs, so I can see how it would work.

    Pro tip for having an affair.

    Disable the auto-syncing of your photo library to iCloud so your wife cannot see what you've been up to on the photo gallery of the iPad you've left at home.
    /Oddly Specific


    This idea of not staying in London won't last a week. It could just about be done from here (90 minutes) but I still wouldn't.
    Most people who apply for a job have to accept they go where the job is. Will he turn up in Parliament for PMQs?
    His answer for everything appears to be "Manchester".

    I presume his next move will be to make Liam Gallagher Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport.
    And Jim Ratcliffe as Chancellor but based most of the week in the Number 11 Monaco office.
  • ManchesterKurtManchesterKurt Posts: 1,038

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    Obviously, in today's modern world, there's no requirement for the Prime Minister to live above their workplace.

    If Andy Burnham wants to live in Manchester or Penzance or Stornaway, that shouldn't be any kind of impediment to being able to do the job.

    I mean, the King and Queen aren't going to live in Buckingham Palace but use Clarence House and no one seems that bothered. We need to get out of the 20th century mindset of associating places with roles - the world has changed.

    Clarence House is a few minutes walk from Buckingham Palace, Manchester is the other side of the country from Downing St
    if you lot had not balls up HS2 it would have been a heap closer, your comments about distance being a barrier to effective working highlights just how awful a decision that was
    HS2 was never about speed.
    indeed, but it would undoubtably made train travel from Manchester to London much more reliable and comfortable, making it much less of an obstacle to doing business between the cities.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,670

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    Obviously, in today's modern world, there's no requirement for the Prime Minister to live above their workplace.

    If Andy Burnham wants to live in Manchester or Penzance or Stornaway, that shouldn't be any kind of impediment to being able to do the job.

    I mean, the King and Queen aren't going to live in Buckingham Palace but use Clarence House and no one seems that bothered. We need to get out of the 20th century mindset of associating places with roles - the world has changed.

    Clarence House is a few minutes walk from Buckingham Palace, Manchester is the other side of the country from Downing St
    if you lot had not balls up HS2 it would have been a heap closer, your comments about distance being a barrier to effective working highlights just how awful a decision that was
    HS2 was never about speed.
    indeed, but it would undoubtably made train travel from Manchester to London much more reliable and comfortable, making it much less of an obstacle to doing business between the cities.
    If DfT civil servants are forced to travel by train to Manchester every week we will find out how strong an effect personal incentives have on the speed of public transport infrastructure projects.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 6,374

    AnneJGP said:

    My wife has suggested that the newspapers will airtag Burnham to keep track of where he sleeps each night and discover that he's juggling three affairs.

    Working away from home has often been used as a cover for affairs, so I can see how it would work.

    Pro tip for having an affair.

    Disable the auto-syncing of your photo library to iCloud so your wife cannot see what you've been up to on the photo gallery of the iPad you've left at home.
    /Oddly Specific


    This idea of not staying in London won't last a week. It could just about be done from here (90 minutes) but I still wouldn't.
    Most people who apply for a job have to accept they go where the job is. Will he turn up in Parliament for PMQs?
    His answer for everything appears to be "Manchester".

    I presume his next move will be to make Liam Gallagher Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport.
    Noel would be a better cabinet minister than Liam.
    Just don't make their other brother US ambassador.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,363

    Nigelb said:

    My wife has suggested that the newspapers will airtag Burnham to keep track of where he sleeps each night and discover that he's juggling three affairs.

    Working away from home has often been used as a cover for affairs, so I can see how it would work.

    Pro tip for having an affair.

    Disable the auto-syncing of your photo library to iCloud so your wife cannot see what you've been up to on the photo gallery of the iPad you've left at home.
    Voice of experience ?
    Yes.
    Ouch.

    I'm happily married for well over three decades, and glad I don't have to rely on tradecraft for that.
  • eekeek Posts: 34,305

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    Obviously, in today's modern world, there's no requirement for the Prime Minister to live above their workplace.

    If Andy Burnham wants to live in Manchester or Penzance or Stornaway, that shouldn't be any kind of impediment to being able to do the job.

    I mean, the King and Queen aren't going to live in Buckingham Palace but use Clarence House and no one seems that bothered. We need to get out of the 20th century mindset of associating places with roles - the world has changed.

    Clarence House is a few minutes walk from Buckingham Palace, Manchester is the other side of the country from Downing St
    if you lot had not balls up HS2 it would have been a heap closer, your comments about distance being a barrier to effective working highlights just how awful a decision that was
    HS2 was never about speed.
    indeed, but it would undoubtably made train travel from Manchester to London much more reliable and comfortable, making it much less of an obstacle to doing business between the cities.
    If DfT civil servants are forced to travel by train to Manchester every week we will find out how strong an effect personal incentives have on the speed of public transport infrastructure projects.
    And we are back to my plan for moving Parliament to Bradford and watching both sides of HS2 and Northern PowerRail built at Chinese construction speeds.
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,530
    Pro_Rata said:

    AnneJGP said:

    My wife has suggested that the newspapers will airtag Burnham to keep track of where he sleeps each night and discover that he's juggling three affairs.

    Working away from home has often been used as a cover for affairs, so I can see how it would work.

    Pro tip for having an affair.

    Disable the auto-syncing of your photo library to iCloud so your wife cannot see what you've been up to on the photo gallery of the iPad you've left at home.
    /Oddly Specific


    This idea of not staying in London won't last a week. It could just about be done from here (90 minutes) but I still wouldn't.
    Most people who apply for a job have to accept they go where the job is. Will he turn up in Parliament for PMQs?
    His answer for everything appears to be "Manchester".

    I presume his next move will be to make Liam Gallagher Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport.
    Noel would be a better cabinet minister than Liam.
    Just don't make their other brother US ambassador.
    Nah that’s between Shaun Ryder and Bez I’d think.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,925

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    Obviously, in today's modern world, there's no requirement for the Prime Minister to live above their workplace.

    If Andy Burnham wants to live in Manchester or Penzance or Stornaway, that shouldn't be any kind of impediment to being able to do the job.

    I mean, the King and Queen aren't going to live in Buckingham Palace but use Clarence House and no one seems that bothered. We need to get out of the 20th century mindset of associating places with roles - the world has changed.

    Clarence House is a few minutes walk from Buckingham Palace, Manchester is the other side of the country from Downing St
    if you lot had not balls up HS2 it would have been a heap closer, your comments about distance being a barrier to effective working highlights just how awful a decision that was
    HS2 was never about speed.
    It was always about speed, that’s why it’s costing so much money.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,878
    edited 8:58PM
    Dr. Jeevun Sandher MP
    @JeevunSandher


    London gets 3x the transport spending per head of the East Midlands.

    https://x.com/JeevunSandher/status/2071553767468581155
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,925
    As ever, the problem with The North is that in Butnham’s mind it means Manchester. It doesn’t mean Sheffield. It doesn’t mean Sunderland. It doesn’t mean Scotland, Wales or Cornwall.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,561
    tlg86 said:

    As ever, the problem with The North is that in Butnham’s mind it means Manchester. It doesn’t mean Sheffield. It doesn’t mean Sunderland. It doesn’t mean Scotland, Wales or Cornwall.

    It doesn't mean the Midlands either.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,624
    tlg86 said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    Obviously, in today's modern world, there's no requirement for the Prime Minister to live above their workplace.

    If Andy Burnham wants to live in Manchester or Penzance or Stornaway, that shouldn't be any kind of impediment to being able to do the job.

    I mean, the King and Queen aren't going to live in Buckingham Palace but use Clarence House and no one seems that bothered. We need to get out of the 20th century mindset of associating places with roles - the world has changed.

    Clarence House is a few minutes walk from Buckingham Palace, Manchester is the other side of the country from Downing St
    if you lot had not balls up HS2 it would have been a heap closer, your comments about distance being a barrier to effective working highlights just how awful a decision that was
    HS2 was never about speed.
    It was always about speed, that’s why it’s costing so much money.
    It was about capacity but the (miss)selling was about making journeys faster. The costs are for lots of reasons, but definitely include gold plating and bats.
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