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  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,232
    The England captain should ideally satisfy the following criteria:

    1) Always (For now) 1st pick if available

    Excludes
    Gay
    Bashir

    2) Sufficient test experience to not look ridiculous

    Excludes
    Gay
    Bethell
    Atkinson
    Tongue
    Bashir

    3) Not a walking medical textbook/long periods out through injury

    Excludes
    Atkinson
    Tongue
    Archer
    Bashir

    3) Not been caught on the lash/hi-jinks in the last few years

    Excludes
    Stokes
    Brook
    Atkinson
    Duckett

    4) Not announced retirement

    Excludes
    Stokes

    5) Tried as captain and broadly failed as a captain

    Excludes
    Root

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,232
    The England captain should ideally satisfy the following criteria:

    1) Always (For now) 1st pick if available

    Excludes
    Gay
    Bashir

    2) Sufficient test experience to not look ridiculous

    Excludes
    Gay
    Bethell
    Atkinson
    Tongue
    Bashir

    3) Not a walking medical textbook/long periods out through injury

    Excludes
    Atkinson
    Tongue
    Archer
    Bashir

    3) Not been caught on the lash/hi-jinks in the last few years

    Excludes
    Stokes
    Brook
    Atkinson
    Duckett

    4) Not announced retirement

    Excludes
    Stokes

    5) Tried as captain and broadly failed as a captain

    Excludes
    Root

  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,204
    DavidL said:

    dixiedean said:

    Nigelb said:

    Risky. Putting a lot of emphasis on renewing the High Streets in towns and cities.

    But a good part of the decline is online shopping and deliveries. How can that be reversed?

    Risky. Putting a lot of emphasis on renewing the High Streets in towns and cities.

    But a good part of the decline is online shopping and deliveries. How can that be reversed?

    Yes, that worries me. All the people who moan about the demise of High Street shopping are the same people who use Tesco online for food, Amazon for everything else, and Lakeside or similar for shopping days out. I'd be very happy to see the revival of the Hight Street, but it will take some pretty radical changes in incentives to achieve. Hope he does it.
    Town centres as places to live is surely the way to go ?
    There's a housing shortage, and a crazy excess of empty (or occupied by criminals) retail space. The conclusion is obvious; it lacks only will, and investment.
    Fewer than 500 lived in Manchester City Centre in 1990.
    There are now 85k residents within a mile of Piccadilly.
    It can be done.
    Are you suggesting that planning be delegated to the IRA?
    Who was it that first said that the IRA bombed Manchester city centre and caused £2bn of improvements?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,232
    Pulpstar said:

    The England captain should ideally satisfy the following criteria:

    1) Always (For now) 1st pick if available

    Excludes
    Gay
    Bashir

    2) Sufficient test experience to not look ridiculous

    Excludes
    Gay
    Bethell
    Atkinson
    Tongue
    Bashir

    3) Not a walking medical textbook/long periods out through injury

    Excludes
    Atkinson
    Tongue
    Archer
    Bashir

    3) Not been caught on the lash/hi-jinks in the last few years

    Excludes
    Stokes
    Brook
    Atkinson
    Duckett

    4) Not announced retirement

    Excludes
    Stokes

    5) Tried as captain and broadly failed as a captain

    Excludes
    Root

    Add Jamie Smith to the sufficient test experience. Has he been subbed out for someone else recently though ? Maybe he is the one after Root if it's not to be Brook...
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,445
    Draper out of Wimbledon with injury.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 10,202
    Cookie said:

    Taz said:


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    14m
    Going to be a lot of policy and textual analysis of Andy Burnham's speech. But all that really matters at the moment is that he looks a bit different and sounds a bit different. And that should be enough to get him a hearing from the British public. Which is what he needs.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2071553912893526362

    I’m certainly happy with what I heard. Snippets only I’ve been out for a bike ride earlier.

    Like all,here, I wish him well and hope he succeeds. I’ve said I won’t vote Labour again after the Starmer disaster. I’ve even said I’d consider Reform. However if he does succeed in, at least turning it around, and does start doing stuff that genuinely helps the regions I’d consider labour again

    However Burnham needs to realise the North is not JUST Manchester.
    Is Manchester really the North? Same with Yorkshire. Growing up in Scotland and Tyneside I've always struggled to think of places you can drive to from London in time for breakfast as the "North"...
    You can tell a true northerner: he believes that the north ends 15 miles south of where he was born.
    I'm a true northener, by residence. And the north ends somewhere around Basildon :wink:
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 10,202
    Taz said:

    Jeffrey Archer gone

    That's an unfortunate typo! I thought Jeffrey had popped his clogs for a moment
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,934
    Selebian said:

    Taz said:

    Jeffrey Archer gone

    That's an unfortunate typo! I thought Jeffrey had popped his clogs for a moment
    I actually googled it
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,011
    Sandpit said:

    DavidL said:

    dixiedean said:

    Nigelb said:

    Risky. Putting a lot of emphasis on renewing the High Streets in towns and cities.

    But a good part of the decline is online shopping and deliveries. How can that be reversed?

    Risky. Putting a lot of emphasis on renewing the High Streets in towns and cities.

    But a good part of the decline is online shopping and deliveries. How can that be reversed?

    Yes, that worries me. All the people who moan about the demise of High Street shopping are the same people who use Tesco online for food, Amazon for everything else, and Lakeside or similar for shopping days out. I'd be very happy to see the revival of the Hight Street, but it will take some pretty radical changes in incentives to achieve. Hope he does it.
    Town centres as places to live is surely the way to go ?
    There's a housing shortage, and a crazy excess of empty (or occupied by criminals) retail space. The conclusion is obvious; it lacks only will, and investment.
    Fewer than 500 lived in Manchester City Centre in 1990.
    There are now 85k residents within a mile of Piccadilly.
    It can be done.
    Are you suggesting that planning be delegated to the IRA?
    Who was it that first said that the IRA bombed Manchester city centre and caused £2bn of improvements?
    So, time to end the Peace Process?
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,973

    Selebian said:

    Taz said:

    Jeffrey Archer gone

    That's an unfortunate typo! I thought Jeffrey had popped his clogs for a moment
    I actually googled it
    Predictive text. I meant Jofra
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,419
    FFS Draper out with a recurrence of the same injury to his arm .

    Such a hugely talented player but sadly his body can’t cope .
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,653
    Sandpit said:

    California is still counting ballots, four weeks after their primaries on June 2nd.

    https://electionresults.sos.ca.gov/returns/governor

    It is worth noting that one of the reasons why California is still voting is because it allows the "curing" of postal votes where signatures do not match.

  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,683
    Cookie said:

    Taz said:


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    14m
    Going to be a lot of policy and textual analysis of Andy Burnham's speech. But all that really matters at the moment is that he looks a bit different and sounds a bit different. And that should be enough to get him a hearing from the British public. Which is what he needs.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2071553912893526362

    I’m certainly happy with what I heard. Snippets only I’ve been out for a bike ride earlier.

    Like all,here, I wish him well and hope he succeeds. I’ve said I won’t vote Labour again after the Starmer disaster. I’ve even said I’d consider Reform. However if he does succeed in, at least turning it around, and does start doing stuff that genuinely helps the regions I’d consider labour again

    However Burnham needs to realise the North is not JUST Manchester.
    Is Manchester really the North? Same with Yorkshire. Growing up in Scotland and Tyneside I've always struggled to think of places you can drive to from London in time for breakfast as the "North"...
    You can tell a true northerner: he believes that the north ends 15 miles south of where he was born.
    That's very unfair. The Tees is more than 15 miles south of Gateshead.

    Barnard Castle: Gateway to The South.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 37,563
    Taz said:

    Selebian said:

    Taz said:

    Jeffrey Archer gone

    That's an unfortunate typo! I thought Jeffrey had popped his clogs for a moment
    I actually googled it
    Predictive text. I meant Jofra
    I always have to read posts before hitting post, because of that pesky little goblin that 'manages' Predictive Text.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 37,563

    Cookie said:

    Taz said:


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    14m
    Going to be a lot of policy and textual analysis of Andy Burnham's speech. But all that really matters at the moment is that he looks a bit different and sounds a bit different. And that should be enough to get him a hearing from the British public. Which is what he needs.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2071553912893526362

    I’m certainly happy with what I heard. Snippets only I’ve been out for a bike ride earlier.

    Like all,here, I wish him well and hope he succeeds. I’ve said I won’t vote Labour again after the Starmer disaster. I’ve even said I’d consider Reform. However if he does succeed in, at least turning it around, and does start doing stuff that genuinely helps the regions I’d consider labour again

    However Burnham needs to realise the North is not JUST Manchester.
    Is Manchester really the North? Same with Yorkshire. Growing up in Scotland and Tyneside I've always struggled to think of places you can drive to from London in time for breakfast as the "North"...
    You can tell a true northerner: he believes that the north ends 15 miles south of where he was born.
    That's very unfair. The Tees is more than 15 miles south of Gateshead.

    Barnard Castle: Gateway to The South.
    Famous for it's opticians, surely?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,156
    Dyor but I do like Pat McFadden. As a bet for next CoE, I mean.

    Reason being I've tried to put myself in Andy's head and the fact is I wouldn't (for various reasons) appoint any of the 3 favs, Red Ed, Wes, or Mahmood.

    It probably won't be Pat McFadden but he's the value imo. I'm on. Nibble plus top up.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,204
    edited 1:55PM
    Selebian said:

    Cookie said:

    Taz said:


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    14m
    Going to be a lot of policy and textual analysis of Andy Burnham's speech. But all that really matters at the moment is that he looks a bit different and sounds a bit different. And that should be enough to get him a hearing from the British public. Which is what he needs.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2071553912893526362

    I’m certainly happy with what I heard. Snippets only I’ve been out for a bike ride earlier.

    Like all,here, I wish him well and hope he succeeds. I’ve said I won’t vote Labour again after the Starmer disaster. I’ve even said I’d consider Reform. However if he does succeed in, at least turning it around, and does start doing stuff that genuinely helps the regions I’d consider labour again

    However Burnham needs to realise the North is not JUST Manchester.
    Is Manchester really the North? Same with Yorkshire. Growing up in Scotland and Tyneside I've always struggled to think of places you can drive to from London in time for breakfast as the "North"...
    You can tell a true northerner: he believes that the north ends 15 miles south of where he was born.
    I'm a true northener, by residence. And the north ends somewhere around Basildon :wink:
    Where’s the furthest North sign on the M1, A1 or M6, that says “THE NORTH” on it?

    ISTR one on the M1 around Sheffield, but it’s been a while since I’ve been anywhere near there.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,619
    Pulpstar said:

    The England captain should ideally satisfy the following criteria:

    1) Always (For now) 1st pick if available

    Excludes
    Gay
    Bashir

    2) Sufficient test experience to not look ridiculous

    Excludes
    Gay
    Bethell
    Atkinson
    Tongue
    Bashir

    3) Not a walking medical textbook/long periods out through injury

    Excludes
    Atkinson
    Tongue
    Archer
    Bashir

    3) Not been caught on the lash/hi-jinks in the last few years

    Excludes
    Stokes
    Brook
    Atkinson
    Duckett

    4) Not announced retirement

    Excludes
    Stokes

    5) Tried as captain and broadly failed as a captain

    Excludes
    Root

    I match for 3-6, but I will be a surprise announcement. Will lead to similar sledging to that received by James Ormond in 2001.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,198

    Cookie said:

    Taz said:


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    14m
    Going to be a lot of policy and textual analysis of Andy Burnham's speech. But all that really matters at the moment is that he looks a bit different and sounds a bit different. And that should be enough to get him a hearing from the British public. Which is what he needs.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2071553912893526362

    I’m certainly happy with what I heard. Snippets only I’ve been out for a bike ride earlier.

    Like all,here, I wish him well and hope he succeeds. I’ve said I won’t vote Labour again after the Starmer disaster. I’ve even said I’d consider Reform. However if he does succeed in, at least turning it around, and does start doing stuff that genuinely helps the regions I’d consider labour again

    However Burnham needs to realise the North is not JUST Manchester.
    Is Manchester really the North? Same with Yorkshire. Growing up in Scotland and Tyneside I've always struggled to think of places you can drive to from London in time for breakfast as the "North"...
    You can tell a true northerner: he believes that the north ends 15 miles south of where he was born.
    That's very unfair. The Tees is more than 15 miles south of Gateshead.

    Barnard Castle: Gateway to The South.
    Thurso is the north - train-wise at any rate!
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,619
    nico67 said:

    FFS Draper out with a recurrence of the same injury to his arm .

    Such a hugely talented player but sadly his body can’t cope .

    He, and Raducanu, seem blighted by this. Whether either can get the right amount of training to reach their true level remains to be seen. Sad day for Wimbledon though.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,808

    Anyone here share my view that Japan are stonking good value at 9/2 in their upcoming match against Brazil?

    They're a serious team and despite Brazil's performance against Scotland, the boys from Brazil look eminently beatable to me.

    Maybe laying Brazil at 4/5 is the bet, as the longer it goes the more it is likely to favour Japan, and they certainly won't mind going into extra team.

    Dyor, as ever, but I'm on.

    Yes to Japan but since I also think Paraguay can beat Germany, I might be an unreliable judge.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,923

    Selebian said:

    Taz said:

    Jeffrey Archer gone

    That's an unfortunate typo! I thought Jeffrey had popped his clogs for a moment
    I actually googled it
    I nearly commented that we'd already lost Penelope Keith today.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,198
    MattW said:

    Cookie said:

    Taz said:


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    14m
    Going to be a lot of policy and textual analysis of Andy Burnham's speech. But all that really matters at the moment is that he looks a bit different and sounds a bit different. And that should be enough to get him a hearing from the British public. Which is what he needs.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2071553912893526362

    I’m certainly happy with what I heard. Snippets only I’ve been out for a bike ride earlier.

    Like all,here, I wish him well and hope he succeeds. I’ve said I won’t vote Labour again after the Starmer disaster. I’ve even said I’d consider Reform. However if he does succeed in, at least turning it around, and does start doing stuff that genuinely helps the regions I’d consider labour again

    However Burnham needs to realise the North is not JUST Manchester.
    Is Manchester really the North? Same with Yorkshire. Growing up in Scotland and Tyneside I've always struggled to think of places you can drive to from London in time for breakfast as the "North"...
    You can tell a true northerner: he believes that the north ends 15 miles south of where he was born.
    My wife is from near Portsmouth and thinks the north starts at the M4, if not a bit further south.

    Everything's relative.
    Indeed, especially in Norfolk.
    Or Birmingham?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g38l07895o
  • theProletheProle Posts: 2,001

    Good growth in every uk postcode.

    It's all just vaguely hopey change nonsense isn't it.
    This aspersion seems particularly unachievable - I'm currently buying a house in a postcode that contains the sum total of three houses and a Plymouth Brethren gospel hall.
    The odds of achieving "good growth*" in every single postcode like this seems low, even if the country is booming.

    *what does good growth mean anyway? More wealth per sq ft? Higher average wages? Greater GDP? GPD at a postcode level is meaningless anyway, I create lots of value, but in a yard 20 miles away from my house...
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,661

    Pulpstar said:

    The England captain should ideally satisfy the following criteria:

    1) Always (For now) 1st pick if available

    Excludes
    Gay
    Bashir

    2) Sufficient test experience to not look ridiculous

    Excludes
    Gay
    Bethell
    Atkinson
    Tongue
    Bashir

    3) Not a walking medical textbook/long periods out through injury

    Excludes
    Atkinson
    Tongue
    Archer
    Bashir

    3) Not been caught on the lash/hi-jinks in the last few years

    Excludes
    Stokes
    Brook
    Atkinson
    Duckett

    4) Not announced retirement

    Excludes
    Stokes

    5) Tried as captain and broadly failed as a captain

    Excludes
    Root

    I match for 3-6, but I will be a surprise announcement. Will lead to similar sledging to that received by James Ormond in 2001.
    Looking at Pulpstar's lists you almost wonder whether it's worth picking a captain from the County Championship on the basis of their captaincy credentials.

    I wouldn't want to give it to Brook (because he's the white ball captain, and I'm not sure he's even doing that well with that alone).

    I wouldn't want to give it to Root, because his previous tenure reached a disastrous low.

    Who else is guaranteed a place in the team anyway?

    I suppose whoever does choose the captain will have the advantage of knowing these people personally, and so they will have a sense as to whether Duckett or Smith or whoever have leadership ability.
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 748

    Cookie said:

    Taz said:


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    14m
    Going to be a lot of policy and textual analysis of Andy Burnham's speech. But all that really matters at the moment is that he looks a bit different and sounds a bit different. And that should be enough to get him a hearing from the British public. Which is what he needs.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2071553912893526362

    I’m certainly happy with what I heard. Snippets only I’ve been out for a bike ride earlier.

    Like all,here, I wish him well and hope he succeeds. I’ve said I won’t vote Labour again after the Starmer disaster. I’ve even said I’d consider Reform. However if he does succeed in, at least turning it around, and does start doing stuff that genuinely helps the regions I’d consider labour again

    However Burnham needs to realise the North is not JUST Manchester.
    Is Manchester really the North? Same with Yorkshire. Growing up in Scotland and Tyneside I've always struggled to think of places you can drive to from London in time for breakfast as the "North"...
    You can tell a true northerner: he believes that the north ends 15 miles south of where he was born.
    My wife is from near Portsmouth and thinks the north starts at the M4, if not a bit further south.

    Everything's relative.
    There's a map someone made with the 2021 census dates that put Cambridgeshire and Worcestershire in the north, on the basis of an equal split between North and South in population terms.

    I can't remember if there was a version split into thirds, with a Midlands too.

    Here's the north-south map.

    Map Men (YouTube link) did a good episode on this...
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,204
    Interesting table showing comparative wages per decile since 2000. There’s a huge compression, which I would suggest is due to above-inflation minimum wage increases.

    https://x.com/maxtempers/status/2071513160905818265
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,619

    Pulpstar said:

    The England captain should ideally satisfy the following criteria:

    1) Always (For now) 1st pick if available

    Excludes
    Gay
    Bashir

    2) Sufficient test experience to not look ridiculous

    Excludes
    Gay
    Bethell
    Atkinson
    Tongue
    Bashir

    3) Not a walking medical textbook/long periods out through injury

    Excludes
    Atkinson
    Tongue
    Archer
    Bashir

    3) Not been caught on the lash/hi-jinks in the last few years

    Excludes
    Stokes
    Brook
    Atkinson
    Duckett

    4) Not announced retirement

    Excludes
    Stokes

    5) Tried as captain and broadly failed as a captain

    Excludes
    Root

    I match for 3-6, but I will be a surprise announcement. Will lead to similar sledging to that received by James Ormond in 2001.
    Looking at Pulpstar's lists you almost wonder whether it's worth picking a captain from the County Championship on the basis of their captaincy credentials.

    I wouldn't want to give it to Brook (because he's the white ball captain, and I'm not sure he's even doing that well with that alone).

    I wouldn't want to give it to Root, because his previous tenure reached a disastrous low.

    Who else is guaranteed a place in the team anyway?

    I suppose whoever does choose the captain will have the advantage of knowing these people personally, and so they will have a sense as to whether Duckett or Smith or whoever have leadership ability.
    I sense it will be Brook, although I wouldn't be averse to Joe Root mk 2 for a year and see. And I don't know how much Duckett has captained before. At the moment I think Duckett, Root, Brook are safe in the batting line-up. Big questions over Bethel (thorny issue of not enough red-ball cricket again), Smith (balance between winning the match with a brilliant knock and losing it with a dropped catch). Gay looks promising.
    One thing I would do more of - Root as the spinning all rounder on usual pitches (so most English ones). No other spinners are pulling up trees in the championship (they don't really get a chance with the way its structured) and Root is good when required. You don't take 73 test wickets by luck.
  • eekeek Posts: 34,284
    edited 2:12PM
    Sandpit said:

    Selebian said:

    Cookie said:

    Taz said:


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    14m
    Going to be a lot of policy and textual analysis of Andy Burnham's speech. But all that really matters at the moment is that he looks a bit different and sounds a bit different. And that should be enough to get him a hearing from the British public. Which is what he needs.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2071553912893526362

    I’m certainly happy with what I heard. Snippets only I’ve been out for a bike ride earlier.

    Like all,here, I wish him well and hope he succeeds. I’ve said I won’t vote Labour again after the Starmer disaster. I’ve even said I’d consider Reform. However if he does succeed in, at least turning it around, and does start doing stuff that genuinely helps the regions I’d consider labour again

    However Burnham needs to realise the North is not JUST Manchester.
    Is Manchester really the North? Same with Yorkshire. Growing up in Scotland and Tyneside I've always struggled to think of places you can drive to from London in time for breakfast as the "North"...
    You can tell a true northerner: he believes that the north ends 15 miles south of where he was born.
    I'm a true northener, by residence. And the north ends somewhere around Basildon :wink:
    Where’s the furthest North sign on the M1, A1 or M6, that says “THE NORTH” on it?

    ISTR one on the M1 around Sheffield, but it’s been a while since I’ve been anywhere near there.
    Scotch Corner - because it's the last point where you can sanely go West for about the next 70 miles.

  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,923
    Sandpit said:

    Selebian said:

    Cookie said:

    Taz said:


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    14m
    Going to be a lot of policy and textual analysis of Andy Burnham's speech. But all that really matters at the moment is that he looks a bit different and sounds a bit different. And that should be enough to get him a hearing from the British public. Which is what he needs.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2071553912893526362

    I’m certainly happy with what I heard. Snippets only I’ve been out for a bike ride earlier.

    Like all,here, I wish him well and hope he succeeds. I’ve said I won’t vote Labour again after the Starmer disaster. I’ve even said I’d consider Reform. However if he does succeed in, at least turning it around, and does start doing stuff that genuinely helps the regions I’d consider labour again

    However Burnham needs to realise the North is not JUST Manchester.
    Is Manchester really the North? Same with Yorkshire. Growing up in Scotland and Tyneside I've always struggled to think of places you can drive to from London in time for breakfast as the "North"...
    You can tell a true northerner: he believes that the north ends 15 miles south of where he was born.
    I'm a true northener, by residence. And the north ends somewhere around Basildon :wink:
    Where’s the furthest North sign on the M1, A1 or M6, that says “THE NORTH” on it?

    ISTR one on the M1 around Sheffield, but it’s been a while since I’ve been anywhere near there.
    One just south of Scotch Corner:

    https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.4365351,-1.668449,3a,37.6y,342.9h,93.25t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s-7Kpn0JymD8nXEmmuPi64w!2e0!6shttps://streetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com/v1/thumbnail?cb_client=maps_sv.tactile&w=900&h=600&pitch=-3.247328384961392&panoid=-7Kpn0JymD8nXEmmuPi64w&yaw=342.90359700157404!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI2MDYyNC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw==
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,339
    edited 2:13PM
    Sweeney74 said:

    Cookie said:

    Taz said:


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    14m
    Going to be a lot of policy and textual analysis of Andy Burnham's speech. But all that really matters at the moment is that he looks a bit different and sounds a bit different. And that should be enough to get him a hearing from the British public. Which is what he needs.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2071553912893526362

    I’m certainly happy with what I heard. Snippets only I’ve been out for a bike ride earlier.

    Like all,here, I wish him well and hope he succeeds. I’ve said I won’t vote Labour again after the Starmer disaster. I’ve even said I’d consider Reform. However if he does succeed in, at least turning it around, and does start doing stuff that genuinely helps the regions I’d consider labour again

    However Burnham needs to realise the North is not JUST Manchester.
    Is Manchester really the North? Same with Yorkshire. Growing up in Scotland and Tyneside I've always struggled to think of places you can drive to from London in time for breakfast as the "North"...
    You can tell a true northerner: he believes that the north ends 15 miles south of where he was born.
    My wife is from near Portsmouth and thinks the north starts at the M4, if not a bit further south.

    Everything's relative.
    There's a map someone made with the 2021 census dates that put Cambridgeshire and Worcestershire in the north, on the basis of an equal split between North and South in population terms.

    I can't remember if there was a version split into thirds, with a Midlands too.

    Here's the north-south map.

    Map Men (YouTube link) did a good episode on this...
    It is quite possible therefore that the Tories and Reform combined win a majority of seats in England at the next general election, even if Burnham wins the north comfortably. Yet Burnham and Labour narrowly remain in power UK wide thanks to Scottish and Welsh Labour, SNP and PC seats. Last time we had a different winner in the UK from England was Feb 1974 when southern Heath faced northern Wilson, next election will now be northern Burnham v southern Farage and Badenoch
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 15,667

    Anyone here share my view that Japan are stonking good value at 9/2 in their upcoming match against Brazil?

    They're a serious team and despite Brazil's performance against Scotland, the boys from Brazil look eminently beatable to me.

    Maybe laying Brazil at 4/5 is the bet, as the longer it goes the more it is likely to favour Japan, and they certainly won't mind going into extra team.

    Dyor, as ever, but I'm on.

    Yes to Japan but since I also think Paraguay can beat Germany, I might be an unreliable judge.
    Go on...do the double.

    You know you want to! :)
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,754
    Afternoon all :)

    Not long back from rural Derbyshire - is it "the north" ? I'm not getting involved with that nonsense.

    As an aside, a nice ride on one of the new Aurora trains on EMR - a significant step forward from the Meridians but as usual, five coach trains on a ,line which really needs eight to ten coaches per service isn't really the answer.

    I don't know why (well, I do) Conservatives are so hostile to Burnham's ideas. It is a significant nod to the kind of devolution proposed by Nick Hurd in the Cameron years and pays more than lip service to some of Boris Johnson's rhetoric from 2019. It also borrows heavily from the Liberal Democrat devolution playbook.

    Decentraliation or devolution (there is a difference) relies, to be effective, on financial authority (not just responsibility) and accountability passing from Whitehall/Westminster to more local power structures.

    What do the Conservatives offer in response? More centralisation, more power to Whitehall - that's where Boris Johnson ended up for all his rhetoric, taking powers and responsibilities (often newly liberated from Brussels) from Westminster and Parliament to Whitehall and Ministers.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,204
    tlg86 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Selebian said:

    Cookie said:

    Taz said:


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
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    Going to be a lot of policy and textual analysis of Andy Burnham's speech. But all that really matters at the moment is that he looks a bit different and sounds a bit different. And that should be enough to get him a hearing from the British public. Which is what he needs.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2071553912893526362

    I’m certainly happy with what I heard. Snippets only I’ve been out for a bike ride earlier.

    Like all,here, I wish him well and hope he succeeds. I’ve said I won’t vote Labour again after the Starmer disaster. I’ve even said I’d consider Reform. However if he does succeed in, at least turning it around, and does start doing stuff that genuinely helps the regions I’d consider labour again

    However Burnham needs to realise the North is not JUST Manchester.
    Is Manchester really the North? Same with Yorkshire. Growing up in Scotland and Tyneside I've always struggled to think of places you can drive to from London in time for breakfast as the "North"...
    You can tell a true northerner: he believes that the north ends 15 miles south of where he was born.
    I'm a true northener, by residence. And the north ends somewhere around Basildon :wink:
    Where’s the furthest North sign on the M1, A1 or M6, that says “THE NORTH” on it?

    ISTR one on the M1 around Sheffield, but it’s been a while since I’ve been anywhere near there.
    One just south of Scotch Corner:

    https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.4365351,-1.668449
    Okay that’s further North than I thought it would be!
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,754
    Having decided NOT to join in the nonsense, I will simply say the River Trent is the line between "the north" and "the south".

    When I drive over the bridge at Gunthorpe, that's the border....
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,203
    eek said:

    Sandpit said:

    Selebian said:

    Cookie said:

    Taz said:


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    14m
    Going to be a lot of policy and textual analysis of Andy Burnham's speech. But all that really matters at the moment is that he looks a bit different and sounds a bit different. And that should be enough to get him a hearing from the British public. Which is what he needs.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2071553912893526362

    I’m certainly happy with what I heard. Snippets only I’ve been out for a bike ride earlier.

    Like all,here, I wish him well and hope he succeeds. I’ve said I won’t vote Labour again after the Starmer disaster. I’ve even said I’d consider Reform. However if he does succeed in, at least turning it around, and does start doing stuff that genuinely helps the regions I’d consider labour again

    However Burnham needs to realise the North is not JUST Manchester.
    Is Manchester really the North? Same with Yorkshire. Growing up in Scotland and Tyneside I've always struggled to think of places you can drive to from London in time for breakfast as the "North"...
    You can tell a true northerner: he believes that the north ends 15 miles south of where he was born.
    I'm a true northener, by residence. And the north ends somewhere around Basildon :wink:
    Where’s the furthest North sign on the M1, A1 or M6, that says “THE NORTH” on it?

    ISTR one on the M1 around Sheffield, but it’s been a while since I’ve been anywhere near there.
    Scotch Corner - because it's the last point where you can sanely go West for about the next 70 miles.

    Bedford Town play in National League North. Hemel Hempstead play in National League South, so I guess the North starts around Luton.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,619

    Anyone here share my view that Japan are stonking good value at 9/2 in their upcoming match against Brazil?

    They're a serious team and despite Brazil's performance against Scotland, the boys from Brazil look eminently beatable to me.

    Maybe laying Brazil at 4/5 is the bet, as the longer it goes the more it is likely to favour Japan, and they certainly won't mind going into extra team.

    Dyor, as ever, but I'm on.

    Yes to Japan but since I also think Paraguay can beat Germany, I might be an unreliable judge.
    Go on...do the double.

    You know you want to! :)
    My only caution would be go with 'too qualify' bets rather than 90 minute bets...
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,339
    edited 2:32PM
    'Andy Burnham's net favourability rating has returned to -11, having briefly ticked up to -4 after the Makerfield by-election victory

    The 43% of Britons with an unfavourable view of Burnham is the highest level to date (32% are favourable)'

    59% of Labour 2024 voters have a favourable view of Burnham, as do 45% of Green voters and 40% of LDs and Scots give Burnham a +1% net favourable rating and Londoners give him a +2% rating. 78% of Reform and 67% of Tory voters though have an unfavourable view of Burnham now and the South of England also has a net negative -17% rating of Burnham and the Midlands gives Burnham an even worse -20% unfavourable view

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/2071555259948732822?s=20

    https://yougov.com/en-gb/articles/55061-views-of-andy-burnhams-character-have-become-more-negative-since-may
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 37,563

    eek said:

    Sandpit said:

    Selebian said:

    Cookie said:

    Taz said:


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
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    14m
    Going to be a lot of policy and textual analysis of Andy Burnham's speech. But all that really matters at the moment is that he looks a bit different and sounds a bit different. And that should be enough to get him a hearing from the British public. Which is what he needs.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2071553912893526362

    I’m certainly happy with what I heard. Snippets only I’ve been out for a bike ride earlier.

    Like all,here, I wish him well and hope he succeeds. I’ve said I won’t vote Labour again after the Starmer disaster. I’ve even said I’d consider Reform. However if he does succeed in, at least turning it around, and does start doing stuff that genuinely helps the regions I’d consider labour again

    However Burnham needs to realise the North is not JUST Manchester.
    Is Manchester really the North? Same with Yorkshire. Growing up in Scotland and Tyneside I've always struggled to think of places you can drive to from London in time for breakfast as the "North"...
    You can tell a true northerner: he believes that the north ends 15 miles south of where he was born.
    I'm a true northener, by residence. And the north ends somewhere around Basildon :wink:
    Where’s the furthest North sign on the M1, A1 or M6, that says “THE NORTH” on it?

    ISTR one on the M1 around Sheffield, but it’s been a while since I’ve been anywhere near there.
    Scotch Corner - because it's the last point where you can sanely go West for about the next 70 miles.

    Bedford Town play in National League North. Hemel Hempstead play in National League South, so I guess the North starts around Luton.
    Football's National League does some fairly bizarre things, to keep the numbers even. IIRC Hereford are in NL North.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,011
    FFS

    Have we really turned A/C into another fucking culture war?
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 15,667

    Anyone here share my view that Japan are stonking good value at 9/2 in their upcoming match against Brazil?

    They're a serious team and despite Brazil's performance against Scotland, the boys from Brazil look eminently beatable to me.

    Maybe laying Brazil at 4/5 is the bet, as the longer it goes the more it is likely to favour Japan, and they certainly won't mind going into extra team.

    Dyor, as ever, but I'm on.

    Yes to Japan but since I also think Paraguay can beat Germany, I might be an unreliable judge.
    Go on...do the double.

    You know you want to! :)
    My only caution would be go with 'too qualify' bets rather than 90 minute bets...
    Yes, I definitely think the longer it goes the more likely that Japan prevail in the end, but I have already backed them for the tournament so I have that angle covered.

  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 10,202
    edited 2:33PM
    Sandpit said:

    Selebian said:

    Cookie said:

    Taz said:


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    14m
    Going to be a lot of policy and textual analysis of Andy Burnham's speech. But all that really matters at the moment is that he looks a bit different and sounds a bit different. And that should be enough to get him a hearing from the British public. Which is what he needs.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2071553912893526362

    I’m certainly happy with what I heard. Snippets only I’ve been out for a bike ride earlier.

    Like all,here, I wish him well and hope he succeeds. I’ve said I won’t vote Labour again after the Starmer disaster. I’ve even said I’d consider Reform. However if he does succeed in, at least turning it around, and does start doing stuff that genuinely helps the regions I’d consider labour again

    However Burnham needs to realise the North is not JUST Manchester.
    Is Manchester really the North? Same with Yorkshire. Growing up in Scotland and Tyneside I've always struggled to think of places you can drive to from London in time for breakfast as the "North"...
    You can tell a true northerner: he believes that the north ends 15 miles south of where he was born.
    I'm a true northener, by residence. And the north ends somewhere around Basildon :wink:
    Where’s the furthest North sign on the M1, A1 or M6, that says “THE NORTH” on it?

    ISTR one on the M1 around Sheffield, but it’s been a while since I’ve been anywhere near there.
    There's definitely one at Scotch Corner. I'd guess they keep going until it gets replaced by 'Scotland'

    ETA: Ah, I'm not the only person to have been to Scotch Corner :lol: Where possibly one of the worst services in England is to be found.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,268
    Kemi Badenoch compares Ed Miliband to a Nigerian military dictator.

    https://x.com/spectator/status/2071561826916073777
  • eekeek Posts: 34,284
    Selebian said:

    Sandpit said:

    Selebian said:

    Cookie said:

    Taz said:


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    14m
    Going to be a lot of policy and textual analysis of Andy Burnham's speech. But all that really matters at the moment is that he looks a bit different and sounds a bit different. And that should be enough to get him a hearing from the British public. Which is what he needs.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2071553912893526362

    I’m certainly happy with what I heard. Snippets only I’ve been out for a bike ride earlier.

    Like all,here, I wish him well and hope he succeeds. I’ve said I won’t vote Labour again after the Starmer disaster. I’ve even said I’d consider Reform. However if he does succeed in, at least turning it around, and does start doing stuff that genuinely helps the regions I’d consider labour again

    However Burnham needs to realise the North is not JUST Manchester.
    Is Manchester really the North? Same with Yorkshire. Growing up in Scotland and Tyneside I've always struggled to think of places you can drive to from London in time for breakfast as the "North"...
    You can tell a true northerner: he believes that the north ends 15 miles south of where he was born.
    I'm a true northener, by residence. And the north ends somewhere around Basildon :wink:
    Where’s the furthest North sign on the M1, A1 or M6, that says “THE NORTH” on it?

    ISTR one on the M1 around Sheffield, but it’s been a while since I’ve been anywhere near there.
    There's definitely one at Scotch Corner. I'd guess they keep going until it gets replaced by 'Scotland'

    ETA: Ah, I'm not the only person to have been to Scotch Corner :lol: Where possibly one of the worst services in England is to be found.
    Nope after that the signs just point to Newcastle then Morpeth then Alnwick then Berwick. When it hits Berwick it switches to Edinburgh.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,537
    stodge said:

    Afternoon all :)

    Not long back from rural Derbyshire - is it "the north" ? I'm not getting involved with that nonsense.

    As an aside, a nice ride on one of the new Aurora trains on EMR - a significant step forward from the Meridians but as usual, five coach trains on a ,line which really needs eight to ten coaches per service isn't really the answer.

    I don't know why (well, I do) Conservatives are so hostile to Burnham's ideas. It is a significant nod to the kind of devolution proposed by Nick Hurd in the Cameron years and pays more than lip service to some of Boris Johnson's rhetoric from 2019. It also borrows heavily from the Liberal Democrat devolution playbook.

    Decentraliation or devolution (there is a difference) relies, to be effective, on financial authority (not just responsibility) and accountability passing from Whitehall/Westminster to more local power structures.

    What do the Conservatives offer in response? More centralisation, more power to Whitehall - that's where Boris Johnson ended up for all his rhetoric, taking powers and responsibilities (often newly liberated from Brussels) from Westminster and Parliament to Whitehall and Ministers.

    I am not hostile to Burnham's ideas but then I was born in Greater Manchester of English father and Welsh mother

    I welcome a lot of what he has said but my concern is how long it will take and will the benefits be felt before GE29 ?

    Burnham is laser focused on domestic issues and not a word on Gaza, Ukraine and Iran which is probably where most of his audience are
  • eekeek Posts: 34,284
    Selebian said:

    Sandpit said:

    Selebian said:

    Cookie said:

    Taz said:


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    14m
    Going to be a lot of policy and textual analysis of Andy Burnham's speech. But all that really matters at the moment is that he looks a bit different and sounds a bit different. And that should be enough to get him a hearing from the British public. Which is what he needs.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2071553912893526362

    I’m certainly happy with what I heard. Snippets only I’ve been out for a bike ride earlier.

    Like all,here, I wish him well and hope he succeeds. I’ve said I won’t vote Labour again after the Starmer disaster. I’ve even said I’d consider Reform. However if he does succeed in, at least turning it around, and does start doing stuff that genuinely helps the regions I’d consider labour again

    However Burnham needs to realise the North is not JUST Manchester.
    Is Manchester really the North? Same with Yorkshire. Growing up in Scotland and Tyneside I've always struggled to think of places you can drive to from London in time for breakfast as the "North"...
    You can tell a true northerner: he believes that the north ends 15 miles south of where he was born.
    I'm a true northener, by residence. And the north ends somewhere around Basildon :wink:
    Where’s the furthest North sign on the M1, A1 or M6, that says “THE NORTH” on it?

    ISTR one on the M1 around Sheffield, but it’s been a while since I’ve been anywhere near there.
    There's definitely one at Scotch Corner. I'd guess they keep going until it gets replaced by 'Scotland'

    ETA: Ah, I'm not the only person to have been to Scotch Corner :lol: Where possibly one of the worst services in England is to be found.
    It's not been a services for at least 10 years, it's now just a Rest area.

    It does have an M&S though which can be useful if we need stuff on the way home and couldn't stop at Wetherby.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,537
    HYUFD said:

    'Andy Burnham's net favourability rating has returned to -11, having briefly ticked up to -4 after the Makerfield by-election victory

    The 43% of Britons with an unfavourable view of Burnham is the highest level to date (32% are favourable)'

    59% of Labour 2024 voters have a favourable view of Burnham, as do 45% of Green voters and 40% of LDs and Scots give Burnham a +1% net favourable rating and Londoners give him a +2% rating. 78% of Reform and 67% of Tory voters though have an unfavourable view of Burnham now and the South of England also has a net negative -17% rating of Burnham and the Midlands gives Burnham an even worse -20% unfavourable view

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/2071555259948732822?s=20

    https://yougov.com/en-gb/articles/55061-views-of-andy-burnhams-character-have-become-more-negative-since-may

    Give him a chance
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,814

    eek said:

    Sandpit said:

    Selebian said:

    Cookie said:

    Taz said:


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    14m
    Going to be a lot of policy and textual analysis of Andy Burnham's speech. But all that really matters at the moment is that he looks a bit different and sounds a bit different. And that should be enough to get him a hearing from the British public. Which is what he needs.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2071553912893526362

    I’m certainly happy with what I heard. Snippets only I’ve been out for a bike ride earlier.

    Like all,here, I wish him well and hope he succeeds. I’ve said I won’t vote Labour again after the Starmer disaster. I’ve even said I’d consider Reform. However if he does succeed in, at least turning it around, and does start doing stuff that genuinely helps the regions I’d consider labour again

    However Burnham needs to realise the North is not JUST Manchester.
    Is Manchester really the North? Same with Yorkshire. Growing up in Scotland and Tyneside I've always struggled to think of places you can drive to from London in time for breakfast as the "North"...
    You can tell a true northerner: he believes that the north ends 15 miles south of where he was born.
    I'm a true northener, by residence. And the north ends somewhere around Basildon :wink:
    Where’s the furthest North sign on the M1, A1 or M6, that says “THE NORTH” on it?

    ISTR one on the M1 around Sheffield, but it’s been a while since I’ve been anywhere near there.
    Scotch Corner - because it's the last point where you can sanely go West for about the next 70 miles.

    Bedford Town play in National League North. Hemel Hempstead play in National League South, so I guess the North starts around Luton.
    Oxford City are in NLN.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 17,626
    eek said:

    Sandpit said:

    Selebian said:

    Cookie said:

    Taz said:


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    14m
    Going to be a lot of policy and textual analysis of Andy Burnham's speech. But all that really matters at the moment is that he looks a bit different and sounds a bit different. And that should be enough to get him a hearing from the British public. Which is what he needs.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2071553912893526362

    I’m certainly happy with what I heard. Snippets only I’ve been out for a bike ride earlier.

    Like all,here, I wish him well and hope he succeeds. I’ve said I won’t vote Labour again after the Starmer disaster. I’ve even said I’d consider Reform. However if he does succeed in, at least turning it around, and does start doing stuff that genuinely helps the regions I’d consider labour again

    However Burnham needs to realise the North is not JUST Manchester.
    Is Manchester really the North? Same with Yorkshire. Growing up in Scotland and Tyneside I've always struggled to think of places you can drive to from London in time for breakfast as the "North"...
    You can tell a true northerner: he believes that the north ends 15 miles south of where he was born.
    I'm a true northener, by residence. And the north ends somewhere around Basildon :wink:
    Where’s the furthest North sign on the M1, A1 or M6, that says “THE NORTH” on it?

    ISTR one on the M1 around Sheffield, but it’s been a while since I’ve been anywhere near there.
    Scotch Corner - because it's the last point where you can sanely go West for about the next 70 miles.

    North West rather than West. And blame the Romans.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,814

    stodge said:

    Afternoon all :)

    Not long back from rural Derbyshire - is it "the north" ? I'm not getting involved with that nonsense.

    As an aside, a nice ride on one of the new Aurora trains on EMR - a significant step forward from the Meridians but as usual, five coach trains on a ,line which really needs eight to ten coaches per service isn't really the answer.

    I don't know why (well, I do) Conservatives are so hostile to Burnham's ideas. It is a significant nod to the kind of devolution proposed by Nick Hurd in the Cameron years and pays more than lip service to some of Boris Johnson's rhetoric from 2019. It also borrows heavily from the Liberal Democrat devolution playbook.

    Decentraliation or devolution (there is a difference) relies, to be effective, on financial authority (not just responsibility) and accountability passing from Whitehall/Westminster to more local power structures.

    What do the Conservatives offer in response? More centralisation, more power to Whitehall - that's where Boris Johnson ended up for all his rhetoric, taking powers and responsibilities (often newly liberated from Brussels) from Westminster and Parliament to Whitehall and Ministers.

    I am not hostile to Burnham's ideas but then I was born in Greater Manchester of English father and Welsh mother

    I welcome a lot of what he has said but my concern is how long it will take and will the benefits be felt before GE29 ?

    Burnham is laser focused on domestic issues and not a word on Gaza, Ukraine and Iran which is probably where most of his audience are
    There isn't a great deal a UK PM can do about them.
    Not in a public speech anyways.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,973
    eek said:

    Selebian said:

    Sandpit said:

    Selebian said:

    Cookie said:

    Taz said:


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    14m
    Going to be a lot of policy and textual analysis of Andy Burnham's speech. But all that really matters at the moment is that he looks a bit different and sounds a bit different. And that should be enough to get him a hearing from the British public. Which is what he needs.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2071553912893526362

    I’m certainly happy with what I heard. Snippets only I’ve been out for a bike ride earlier.

    Like all,here, I wish him well and hope he succeeds. I’ve said I won’t vote Labour again after the Starmer disaster. I’ve even said I’d consider Reform. However if he does succeed in, at least turning it around, and does start doing stuff that genuinely helps the regions I’d consider labour again

    However Burnham needs to realise the North is not JUST Manchester.
    Is Manchester really the North? Same with Yorkshire. Growing up in Scotland and Tyneside I've always struggled to think of places you can drive to from London in time for breakfast as the "North"...
    You can tell a true northerner: he believes that the north ends 15 miles south of where he was born.
    I'm a true northener, by residence. And the north ends somewhere around Basildon :wink:
    Where’s the furthest North sign on the M1, A1 or M6, that says “THE NORTH” on it?

    ISTR one on the M1 around Sheffield, but it’s been a while since I’ve been anywhere near there.
    There's definitely one at Scotch Corner. I'd guess they keep going until it gets replaced by 'Scotland'

    ETA: Ah, I'm not the only person to have been to Scotch Corner :lol: Where possibly one of the worst services in England is to be found.
    It's not been a services for at least 10 years, it's now just a Rest area.

    It does have an M&S though which can be useful if we need stuff on the way home and couldn't stop at Wetherby.
    In reality what does that mean ?

    No,toilet as it’s a rest area ?

    I’ve not been in donkeys. Tend to prefer Wetherbys or Morrisons at Boroughbridge.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,162
    algarkirk said:

    eek said:

    Sandpit said:

    Selebian said:

    Cookie said:

    Taz said:


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    14m
    Going to be a lot of policy and textual analysis of Andy Burnham's speech. But all that really matters at the moment is that he looks a bit different and sounds a bit different. And that should be enough to get him a hearing from the British public. Which is what he needs.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2071553912893526362

    I’m certainly happy with what I heard. Snippets only I’ve been out for a bike ride earlier.

    Like all,here, I wish him well and hope he succeeds. I’ve said I won’t vote Labour again after the Starmer disaster. I’ve even said I’d consider Reform. However if he does succeed in, at least turning it around, and does start doing stuff that genuinely helps the regions I’d consider labour again

    However Burnham needs to realise the North is not JUST Manchester.
    Is Manchester really the North? Same with Yorkshire. Growing up in Scotland and Tyneside I've always struggled to think of places you can drive to from London in time for breakfast as the "North"...
    You can tell a true northerner: he believes that the north ends 15 miles south of where he was born.
    I'm a true northener, by residence. And the north ends somewhere around Basildon :wink:
    Where’s the furthest North sign on the M1, A1 or M6, that says “THE NORTH” on it?

    ISTR one on the M1 around Sheffield, but it’s been a while since I’ve been anywhere near there.
    Scotch Corner - because it's the last point where you can sanely go West for about the next 70 miles.

    North West rather than West. And blame the Romans.
    Aye if only the Romans had blasted a road through the Pennines the lazy bastards
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,973

    FFS

    Have we really turned A/C into another fucking culture war?

    It does certainly invoke some anger here.

    I merely asked if you’d need covenant consent and triggered a loon by doing so !

    It’s something I’d not even thought about until mentioned here.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 6,369
    edited 2:57PM

    HYUFD said:

    'Andy Burnham's net favourability rating has returned to -11, having briefly ticked up to -4 after the Makerfield by-election victory

    The 43% of Britons with an unfavourable view of Burnham is the highest level to date (32% are favourable)'

    59% of Labour 2024 voters have a favourable view of Burnham, as do 45% of Green voters and 40% of LDs and Scots give Burnham a +1% net favourable rating and Londoners give him a +2% rating. 78% of Reform and 67% of Tory voters though have an unfavourable view of Burnham now and the South of England also has a net negative -17% rating of Burnham and the Midlands gives Burnham an even worse -20% unfavourable view

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/2071555259948732822?s=20

    https://yougov.com/en-gb/articles/55061-views-of-andy-burnhams-character-have-become-more-negative-since-may

    Give him a chance
    It is about the chance Starmer got. In an earlier political era, yes, Starmer would have become seriously unpopular, but I think it would have taken a full term and a defending GE result that seriously diminished his authority. Such a different era is really quite recent, perhaps as late as about 2015 Starmer could have survived much longer.

    X is already hammering the absolute hell out of Burnham, mainly about apologia issues, and it is vital to at least note that fact in whatever terms we can on here. I'm not surprised by his ratings, and I'm not surprised the Reformy Midlands leads the way. This dip is not yet about northern-ness.

    I think if you are somewhat sympathetic to Burnham you may start to understand what I have been driving at these last 2 years in the coming period.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 37,563
    dixiedean said:

    stodge said:

    Afternoon all :)

    Not long back from rural Derbyshire - is it "the north" ? I'm not getting involved with that nonsense.

    As an aside, a nice ride on one of the new Aurora trains on EMR - a significant step forward from the Meridians but as usual, five coach trains on a ,line which really needs eight to ten coaches per service isn't really the answer.

    I don't know why (well, I do) Conservatives are so hostile to Burnham's ideas. It is a significant nod to the kind of devolution proposed by Nick Hurd in the Cameron years and pays more than lip service to some of Boris Johnson's rhetoric from 2019. It also borrows heavily from the Liberal Democrat devolution playbook.

    Decentraliation or devolution (there is a difference) relies, to be effective, on financial authority (not just responsibility) and accountability passing from Whitehall/Westminster to more local power structures.

    What do the Conservatives offer in response? More centralisation, more power to Whitehall - that's where Boris Johnson ended up for all his rhetoric, taking powers and responsibilities (often newly liberated from Brussels) from Westminster and Parliament to Whitehall and Ministers.

    I am not hostile to Burnham's ideas but then I was born in Greater Manchester of English father and Welsh mother

    I welcome a lot of what he has said but my concern is how long it will take and will the benefits be felt before GE29 ?

    Burnham is laser focused on domestic issues and not a word on Gaza, Ukraine and Iran which is probably where most of his audience are
    There isn't a great deal a UK PM can do about them.
    Not in a public speech anyways.
    Does that suggest Keir Starmer as Foreign Sec? cf Alec Douglas-Home?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,204
    Graph of GDP per capita vs electricity consumption per capita.

    https://x.com/energyabsurdity/status/2071549588775825864

    Do Andy Burnham and Ed Miliband understand that the Western world’s most expensive electricity is a massive drag on economic growth yet?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,268

    FFS

    Have we really turned A/C into another fucking culture war?

    It started decades ago because A/C was associated with American excess. Michael Caine mocked the way people in Florida have A/C on full all the time, while off course having air conditioning in his own place in Surrey.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 17,626
    theProle said:

    Good growth in every uk postcode.

    It's all just vaguely hopey change nonsense isn't it.
    This aspersion seems particularly unachievable - I'm currently buying a house in a postcode that contains the sum total of three houses and a Plymouth Brethren gospel hall.
    The odds of achieving "good growth*" in every single postcode like this seems low, even if the country is booming.

    *what does good growth mean anyway? More wealth per sq ft? Higher average wages? Greater GDP? GPD at a postcode level is meaningless anyway, I create lots of value, but in a yard 20 miles away from my house...
    Postcode will mean CA or CA1, not XY3 8DF.
  • eekeek Posts: 34,284
    Taz said:

    eek said:

    Selebian said:

    Sandpit said:

    Selebian said:

    Cookie said:

    Taz said:


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    14m
    Going to be a lot of policy and textual analysis of Andy Burnham's speech. But all that really matters at the moment is that he looks a bit different and sounds a bit different. And that should be enough to get him a hearing from the British public. Which is what he needs.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2071553912893526362

    I’m certainly happy with what I heard. Snippets only I’ve been out for a bike ride earlier.

    Like all,here, I wish him well and hope he succeeds. I’ve said I won’t vote Labour again after the Starmer disaster. I’ve even said I’d consider Reform. However if he does succeed in, at least turning it around, and does start doing stuff that genuinely helps the regions I’d consider labour again

    However Burnham needs to realise the North is not JUST Manchester.
    Is Manchester really the North? Same with Yorkshire. Growing up in Scotland and Tyneside I've always struggled to think of places you can drive to from London in time for breakfast as the "North"...
    You can tell a true northerner: he believes that the north ends 15 miles south of where he was born.
    I'm a true northener, by residence. And the north ends somewhere around Basildon :wink:
    Where’s the furthest North sign on the M1, A1 or M6, that says “THE NORTH” on it?

    ISTR one on the M1 around Sheffield, but it’s been a while since I’ve been anywhere near there.
    There's definitely one at Scotch Corner. I'd guess they keep going until it gets replaced by 'Scotland'

    ETA: Ah, I'm not the only person to have been to Scotch Corner :lol: Where possibly one of the worst services in England is to be found.
    It's not been a services for at least 10 years, it's now just a Rest area.

    It does have an M&S though which can be useful if we need stuff on the way home and couldn't stop at Wetherby.
    In reality what does that mean ?

    No,toilet as it’s a rest area ?

    I’ve not been in donkeys. Tend to prefer Wetherbys or Morrisons at Boroughbridge.
    I haven't got a clue but I think it means the car park isn't big enough and the junction can't cope with the extra cars a full services would require (that's definitely true as there is about to be another set of roadworks there to allow capacity to get to the new Designer Village (if it ever opens).
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,973

    FFS

    Have we really turned A/C into another fucking culture war?

    It started decades ago because A/C was associated with American excess. Michael Caine mocked the way people in Florida have A/C on full all the time, while off course having air conditioning in his own place in Surrey.
    Not a lot of people know that.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,204
    On topic, Supreme Court judgement just handed down a 5-4 loss to the administration, holding that California is allowed to spend a month counting votes.

    Unexpected result. Barrett and Roberts the conservative dissenters.

    https://x.com/gunthereagleman/status/2071600292982878546.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,626
    @theguardian.com‬

    Former Tory MP Craig Williams pleads guilty to cheating at gambling with election bets
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 17,626

    stodge said:

    Afternoon all :)

    Not long back from rural Derbyshire - is it "the north" ? I'm not getting involved with that nonsense.

    As an aside, a nice ride on one of the new Aurora trains on EMR - a significant step forward from the Meridians but as usual, five coach trains on a ,line which really needs eight to ten coaches per service isn't really the answer.

    I don't know why (well, I do) Conservatives are so hostile to Burnham's ideas. It is a significant nod to the kind of devolution proposed by Nick Hurd in the Cameron years and pays more than lip service to some of Boris Johnson's rhetoric from 2019. It also borrows heavily from the Liberal Democrat devolution playbook.

    Decentraliation or devolution (there is a difference) relies, to be effective, on financial authority (not just responsibility) and accountability passing from Whitehall/Westminster to more local power structures.

    What do the Conservatives offer in response? More centralisation, more power to Whitehall - that's where Boris Johnson ended up for all his rhetoric, taking powers and responsibilities (often newly liberated from Brussels) from Westminster and Parliament to Whitehall and Ministers.

    I am not hostile to Burnham's ideas but then I was born in Greater Manchester of English father and Welsh mother

    I welcome a lot of what he has said but my concern is how long it will take and will the benefits be felt before GE29 ?

    Burnham is laser focused on domestic issues and not a word on Gaza, Ukraine and Iran which is probably where most of his audience are
    Labour will win the next election if people feel their glass is half full, but not if they feel it is half empty. Yes the difference is mood and rhetoric, but that is how people are.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,339
    Pro_Rata said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Andy Burnham's net favourability rating has returned to -11, having briefly ticked up to -4 after the Makerfield by-election victory

    The 43% of Britons with an unfavourable view of Burnham is the highest level to date (32% are favourable)'

    59% of Labour 2024 voters have a favourable view of Burnham, as do 45% of Green voters and 40% of LDs and Scots give Burnham a +1% net favourable rating and Londoners give him a +2% rating. 78% of Reform and 67% of Tory voters though have an unfavourable view of Burnham now and the South of England also has a net negative -17% rating of Burnham and the Midlands gives Burnham an even worse -20% unfavourable view

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/2071555259948732822?s=20

    https://yougov.com/en-gb/articles/55061-views-of-andy-burnhams-character-have-become-more-negative-since-may

    Give him a chance
    It is about the chance Starmer got. In an earlier political era, yes, Starmer would have become seriously unpopular, but I think it would have taken a full term and a defending GE result that seriously diminished his authority. Such a different era is really quite recent, perhaps as late as about 2015 Starmer could have survived much longer.

    X is already hammering the absolute hell out of Burnham, mainly about apologia issues, and it is vital to at least note that fact in whatever terms we can on here. I'm not surprised by his ratings, and I'm not surprised the Reformy Midlands leads the way. This dip is not yet about northern-ness.

    I think if you are somewhat sympathetic to Burnham you may start to understand what I have been driving at these last 2 years in the coming period.
    Yes views of Burnham are now clearly divided on left and right lines, no Blair 1997 new Messiah views of him now south of the peak district apart from in Labour London.

    However he still has higher net favourables than Farage, -11% to -40% and, more narrowly Badenoch, -11% to -21%, so will hope to use that to win over centrist swing voters


    https://ygo-assets-websites-editorial-emea.yougov.net/documents/Times_Results_260625_w.pdf
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,339
    Pro_Rata said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Andy Burnham's net favourability rating has returned to -11, having briefly ticked up to -4 after the Makerfield by-election victory

    The 43% of Britons with an unfavourable view of Burnham is the highest level to date (32% are favourable)'

    59% of Labour 2024 voters have a favourable view of Burnham, as do 45% of Green voters and 40% of LDs and Scots give Burnham a +1% net favourable rating and Londoners give him a +2% rating. 78% of Reform and 67% of Tory voters though have an unfavourable view of Burnham now and the South of England also has a net negative -17% rating of Burnham and the Midlands gives Burnham an even worse -20% unfavourable view

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/2071555259948732822?s=20

    https://yougov.com/en-gb/articles/55061-views-of-andy-burnhams-character-have-become-more-negative-since-may

    Give him a chance
    It is about the chance Starmer got. In an earlier political era, yes, Starmer would have become seriously unpopular, but I think it would have taken a full term and a defending GE result that seriously diminished his authority. Such a different era is really quite recent, perhaps as late as about 2015 Starmer could have survived much longer.

    X is already hammering the absolute hell out of Burnham, mainly about apologia issues, and it is vital to at least note that fact in whatever terms we can on here. I'm not surprised by his ratings, and I'm not surprised the Reformy Midlands leads the way. This dip is not yet about northern-ness.

    I think if you are somewhat sympathetic to Burnham you may start to understand what I have been driving at these last 2 years in the coming period.
    Yes views of Burnham are now clearly divided on left and right lines, no Blair 1997 new Messiah views of him now south of the peak district apart from in Labour London.

    However he still has higher net favourables than Farage, -11% to -40% and, more narrowly Badenoch, -11% to -21%, so will hope to use that to win over centrist swing voters


    https://ygo-assets-websites-editorial-emea.yougov.net/documents/Times_Results_260625_w.pdf
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 37,563
    HYUFD said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Andy Burnham's net favourability rating has returned to -11, having briefly ticked up to -4 after the Makerfield by-election victory

    The 43% of Britons with an unfavourable view of Burnham is the highest level to date (32% are favourable)'

    59% of Labour 2024 voters have a favourable view of Burnham, as do 45% of Green voters and 40% of LDs and Scots give Burnham a +1% net favourable rating and Londoners give him a +2% rating. 78% of Reform and 67% of Tory voters though have an unfavourable view of Burnham now and the South of England also has a net negative -17% rating of Burnham and the Midlands gives Burnham an even worse -20% unfavourable view

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/2071555259948732822?s=20

    https://yougov.com/en-gb/articles/55061-views-of-andy-burnhams-character-have-become-more-negative-since-may

    Give him a chance
    It is about the chance Starmer got. In an earlier political era, yes, Starmer would have become seriously unpopular, but I think it would have taken a full term and a defending GE result that seriously diminished his authority. Such a different era is really quite recent, perhaps as late as about 2015 Starmer could have survived much longer.

    X is already hammering the absolute hell out of Burnham, mainly about apologia issues, and it is vital to at least note that fact in whatever terms we can on here. I'm not surprised by his ratings, and I'm not surprised the Reformy Midlands leads the way. This dip is not yet about northern-ness.

    I think if you are somewhat sympathetic to Burnham you may start to understand what I have been driving at these last 2 years in the coming period.
    Yes views of Burnham are now clearly divided on left and right lines, no Blair 1997 new Messiah views of him now south of the peak district apart from in Labour London.

    However he still has higher net favourables than Farage, -11% to -40% and, more narrowly Badenoch, -11% to -21%, so will hope to use that to win over centrist swing voters


    https://ygo-assets-websites-editorial-emea.yougov.net/documents/Times_Results_260625_w.pdf
    I have a suspicion that his "prevarication" over the £5m "gift" is taking some of the shine off Farage.
  • theProletheProle Posts: 2,001
    edited 3:11PM
    Sandpit said:

    tlg86 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Selebian said:

    Cookie said:

    Taz said:


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    14m
    Going to be a lot of policy and textual analysis of Andy Burnham's speech. But all that really matters at the moment is that he looks a bit different and sounds a bit different. And that should be enough to get him a hearing from the British public. Which is what he needs.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2071553912893526362

    I’m certainly happy with what I heard. Snippets only I’ve been out for a bike ride earlier.

    Like all,here, I wish him well and hope he succeeds. I’ve said I won’t vote Labour again after the Starmer disaster. I’ve even said I’d consider Reform. However if he does succeed in, at least turning it around, and does start doing stuff that genuinely helps the regions I’d consider labour again

    However Burnham needs to realise the North is not JUST Manchester.
    Is Manchester really the North? Same with Yorkshire. Growing up in Scotland and Tyneside I've always struggled to think of places you can drive to from London in time for breakfast as the "North"...
    You can tell a true northerner: he believes that the north ends 15 miles south of where he was born.
    I'm a true northener, by residence. And the north ends somewhere around Basildon :wink:
    Where’s the furthest North sign on the M1, A1 or M6, that says “THE NORTH” on it?

    ISTR one on the M1 around Sheffield, but it’s been a while since I’ve been anywhere near there.
    One just south of Scotch Corner:

    https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.4365351,-1.668449
    Okay that’s further North than I thought it would be!
    Junction 37 on the M6 (Kendal) has a sign that says "The North". Tebay and Penrith don't as far as I can see.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,476

    The council housing pledge is also clever politics.

    The Left NIMBYS (such as a chunk of the Greens) use “enriching evil property developers building houses for the rich” to oppose building.

    Forcing them to either acquiesce or oppose council house building puts them in a quandary.

    And is the kind of policy that ex-Labour voters would like.

    He could enrage the right even more if Housing Benefit / Housing Element was only paid to tenants in Council or Social rented properties. The Private Rental sector would have to up their game rather than passing off crap properties to those who have little choice and lack the funds to buy. Closed loop where tax gets circulated back to councils for providing local people with local affordable accommodation built to the Decent Homes Standards
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,711

    HYUFD said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Andy Burnham's net favourability rating has returned to -11, having briefly ticked up to -4 after the Makerfield by-election victory

    The 43% of Britons with an unfavourable view of Burnham is the highest level to date (32% are favourable)'

    59% of Labour 2024 voters have a favourable view of Burnham, as do 45% of Green voters and 40% of LDs and Scots give Burnham a +1% net favourable rating and Londoners give him a +2% rating. 78% of Reform and 67% of Tory voters though have an unfavourable view of Burnham now and the South of England also has a net negative -17% rating of Burnham and the Midlands gives Burnham an even worse -20% unfavourable view

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/2071555259948732822?s=20

    https://yougov.com/en-gb/articles/55061-views-of-andy-burnhams-character-have-become-more-negative-since-may

    Give him a chance
    It is about the chance Starmer got. In an earlier political era, yes, Starmer would have become seriously unpopular, but I think it would have taken a full term and a defending GE result that seriously diminished his authority. Such a different era is really quite recent, perhaps as late as about 2015 Starmer could have survived much longer.

    X is already hammering the absolute hell out of Burnham, mainly about apologia issues, and it is vital to at least note that fact in whatever terms we can on here. I'm not surprised by his ratings, and I'm not surprised the Reformy Midlands leads the way. This dip is not yet about northern-ness.

    I think if you are somewhat sympathetic to Burnham you may start to understand what I have been driving at these last 2 years in the coming period.
    Yes views of Burnham are now clearly divided on left and right lines, no Blair 1997 new Messiah views of him now south of the peak district apart from in Labour London.

    However he still has higher net favourables than Farage, -11% to -40% and, more narrowly Badenoch, -11% to -21%, so will hope to use that to win over centrist swing voters


    https://ygo-assets-websites-editorial-emea.yougov.net/documents/Times_Results_260625_w.pdf
    I have a suspicion that his "prevarication" over the £5m "gift" is taking some of the shine off Farage.
    It is what people now associate him with.

    Kemi should major on it.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,156
    edited 3:10PM

    FFS

    Have we really turned A/C into another fucking culture war?

    If we have I am blameless. No strong view either way. I'm an A/C centrist.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 37,563
    Just seen this on BBC; another defeat for Trump in the Supreme Court.
    "The US Supreme Court will not hear an appeal requested by President Donald Trump to review the civil case that found he defamed and sexually abused writer E Jean Carroll."

    I wonder if he'll actually pay the money, or her lawyers will have to employ agents to collect goods etc.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,344
    edited 3:14PM
    Sandpit said:

    On topic, Supreme Court judgement just handed down a 5-4 loss to the administration, holding that California is allowed to spend a month counting votes.

    Unexpected result. Barrett and Roberts the conservative dissenters.

    https://x.com/gunthereagleman/status/2071600292982878546.

    "Pay up, rapist."

    Why unexpected ?
    Is it common currency that the court is now completely corrupt, as opposed to extremely politically biased ?

    (Apols, wrong judgment.)
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,156
    Sandpit said:

    On topic, Supreme Court judgement just handed down a 5-4 loss to the administration, holding that California is allowed to spend a month counting votes.

    Unexpected result. Barrett and Roberts the conservative dissenters.

    https://x.com/gunthereagleman/status/2071600292982878546.

    Barrett's ok. I bet Trump's gone off her.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,011
    kinabalu said:

    FFS

    Have we really turned A/C into another fucking culture war?

    If we have I am blameless. No strong view either way. I'm an A/C centrist.
    It's quite simple. If the temperature goes over25 degrees, the excess deaths begin. By the time we get the 37 degrees, there are quite a lot of them.

    For added hilarity, hospitals are part of this problem.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,204
    Morecambe and Wise Christmas Special, 1977.

    M&W and Penelope realise the stairs are too short…

    https://x.com/thestingisback/status/2071558237459996688
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,156

    kinabalu said:

    FFS

    Have we really turned A/C into another fucking culture war?

    If we have I am blameless. No strong view either way. I'm an A/C centrist.
    It's quite simple. If the temperature goes over25 degrees, the excess deaths begin. By the time we get the 37 degrees, there are quite a lot of them.

    For added hilarity, hospitals are part of this problem.
    Is that the fascist or the wokerati position?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,619

    kinabalu said:

    FFS

    Have we really turned A/C into another fucking culture war?

    If we have I am blameless. No strong view either way. I'm an A/C centrist.
    It's quite simple. If the temperature goes over25 degrees, the excess deaths begin. By the time we get the 37 degrees, there are quite a lot of them.

    For added hilarity, hospitals are part of this problem.
    I can confirm that my hospital appointment had an airconditioned waiting room.
  • theProletheProle Posts: 2,001
    edited 3:18PM
    Battlebus said:

    The council housing pledge is also clever politics.

    The Left NIMBYS (such as a chunk of the Greens) use “enriching evil property developers building houses for the rich” to oppose building.

    Forcing them to either acquiesce or oppose council house building puts them in a quandary.

    And is the kind of policy that ex-Labour voters would like.

    He could enrage the right even more if Housing Benefit / Housing Element was only paid to tenants in Council or Social rented properties. The Private Rental sector would have to up their game rather than passing off crap properties to those who have little choice and lack the funds to buy. Closed loop where tax gets circulated back to councils for providing local people with local affordable accommodation built to the Decent Homes Standards
    Trouble with that is that millions of people are currently paid HB and occupy private rentals. There is currently no socal housing for them to live in. Building enough council house not to have waiting lists would wipe out the scummy end of the private rental market without needing to alter HB.

    It's not going to happen anyway, as we haven't got the money to build that level of council housing even if we solved the other problems about where to build it and who is going to build it.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,799
    Sandpit said:

    Graph of GDP per capita vs electricity consumption per capita.

    https://x.com/energyabsurdity/status/2071549588775825864

    Do Andy Burnham and Ed Miliband understand that the Western world’s most expensive electricity is a massive drag on economic growth yet?

    Of course they understand the problem and the solution to build lots of cheap renewables rather than more expensive fossil fuel and nuclear is the answer to bringing the costs down and the vulnerability to global threats too for that matter
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,799
    KoN loses multi millionaire vote

    @DeborahMeaden
    Me neither…
    Quote
    Heather Jeeves 🇪🇺
    @HeatherJeeves
    ·
    Jun 28
    Do Labour not understand that a lot of people voted for them because of Starmer? I would never have voted for them with Burnham at the helm.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,011
    theProle said:

    Battlebus said:

    The council housing pledge is also clever politics.

    The Left NIMBYS (such as a chunk of the Greens) use “enriching evil property developers building houses for the rich” to oppose building.

    Forcing them to either acquiesce or oppose council house building puts them in a quandary.

    And is the kind of policy that ex-Labour voters would like.

    He could enrage the right even more if Housing Benefit / Housing Element was only paid to tenants in Council or Social rented properties. The Private Rental sector would have to up their game rather than passing off crap properties to those who have little choice and lack the funds to buy. Closed loop where tax gets circulated back to councils for providing local people with local affordable accommodation built to the Decent Homes Standards
    Trouble with that is that millions of people are currently paid HB and occupy private rentals. There is currently no socal housing for them to live in. Building enough council house not to have waiting lists would wipe out the scummy end of the private rental market without needing to alter HB.

    It's not going to happen anyway, as we haven't got the money to build that level of council housing even if we solved the other problems about where to build it and who is going to build it.
    The Demented Right would love the above. Social housing bill reduced to a tiny fraction of what it is. OK, the rough sleeping population would go up a bit, but who cares?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,011

    kinabalu said:

    FFS

    Have we really turned A/C into another fucking culture war?

    If we have I am blameless. No strong view either way. I'm an A/C centrist.
    It's quite simple. If the temperature goes over25 degrees, the excess deaths begin. By the time we get the 37 degrees, there are quite a lot of them.

    For added hilarity, hospitals are part of this problem.
    I can confirm that my hospital appointment had an airconditioned waiting room.
    Still finding new built hospitals without A/C - or low specc'd, so temperatures of 30c cause problems.
  • AugustusCarp2AugustusCarp2 Posts: 653
    Sorry, I have been out all day and am therefore a bit late to this thread. Very interesting article, but I am not sure if the subject is limited to US elections or not.
    From personal experience, canvassing in the Thames Valley about 10 years ago, I came across a house with a Polish resident who was entitled to vote. A very jolly, chatty chap, with a good, but nuanced, grasp of English. I asked about the other names on the Roll in the same house, and he fell about laughing. Apparently, the Local Authority had sent someone round to check on the Electoral Roll, and had asked him if he had any family. He had told them all about his sisters, a brother, various cousins, nephews etc. All the details were solemnly recorded. In due course, his entire extended family had appeared on the Electoral Roll, even though they lived in Gdansk. He didn’t realise that the question referred to residents in the same house, and the local authority canvasser hadn’t made it clear.
    No damage done, but it shows that accidents can happen in the absence of malice. Tomorrow I will tell you some of my Postal Voting stories – a subject on which I am much less sanguine.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,619

    kinabalu said:

    FFS

    Have we really turned A/C into another fucking culture war?

    If we have I am blameless. No strong view either way. I'm an A/C centrist.
    It's quite simple. If the temperature goes over25 degrees, the excess deaths begin. By the time we get the 37 degrees, there are quite a lot of them.

    For added hilarity, hospitals are part of this problem.
    I can confirm that my hospital appointment had an airconditioned waiting room.
    Still finding new built hospitals without A/C - or low specc'd, so temperatures of 30c cause problems.
    Mine being the RUH in Bath and its very, very old, so the air con was a portable unit.

    In general find hospitals too hot at the best of times.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,011

    Sandpit said:

    Graph of GDP per capita vs electricity consumption per capita.

    https://x.com/energyabsurdity/status/2071549588775825864

    Do Andy Burnham and Ed Miliband understand that the Western world’s most expensive electricity is a massive drag on economic growth yet?

    Of course they understand the problem and the solution to build lots of cheap renewables rather than more expensive fossil fuel and nuclear is the answer to bringing the costs down and the vulnerability to global threats too for that matter
    Do they understand?

    Quite a few people are locked into the "expensive electricity encourages efficiency and efficiency is how we beat global warming" mindset.

    Which had some use when the grid of 80% coal. But is like promoting phlogiston now.
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