Continued That Iran must be stopped from acquiring a nuclear weapon by any means necessary - He doesn't think that. He's just given them loadsa cash that they will use to build one.
That everything bad in the last four decades of the Middle East has Iran’s fingerprints on it - does anyone apart from that muppet Roger dispute this?
That Israel has the right to defend itself, and has generally behaved well in response to the Oct 7th attacks - I think we can safely draw a distinction between 'its initial response' (which was foolish, as it was what Hamas wanted, but understandable) and the more recent operations aimed solely at extending the loathsome Netanyahu's political career.
That Gaza will only behave itself if allowed to prosper economically - this is an illogical contradiction of your previous point, given the reason they can't is Israel's strangling of them (assisted by Egypt under US pressure).
That the Democratic Party is becoming infested with communists and antisemites - There are some, just as there are out and Nazis and indeed antisemites in the Republicans (Miller, Vance, Hegseth). That is kind of the nature of the beast of American politics. The Democrats cannot realistically be said to be 'infested' with such people.
But mostly it’s not actually policy positions that people are annoyed by, it’s Trump himself. They either take him far too literally, or they start from the premise that whatever it is must be bad because Trump is doing it or supports it, and work backwards from there - well, it frequently is. As when he orders pardons for the rioters of 6th Jan because of bribes they paid him. Or demanding the arrest of somebody who dared to inspect the damage caused by a restoration carried out to a Washington landmark carried out illegally on Trump's orders and claiming he was the cause of the damage. Or his claims about vote rigging (epic projection) or about his increasingly obvious medical treatment.
Right, an afternoon of cricket and F1 beckons - well, enjoy, but I don't think you're convincing anyone with this.
I think you may have fallen into the trap of taking Sandpit too literally. Therefore it is all your fault.
We must take what people say seriously and it is our fault for ignoring it, except when we shouldn't take what they say seriously for some reason.
If England could just eke things out to with 30 runs of New Zealand that would be a fair reflection of things, and pretty funny too.
If we can get 400 we will be well in contention. I can't see that happening though 😡
If they just swung and hoped they'd probably get another 30-40, if their eye is in, but if they try to go for 1-2 an over for 30 overs they will be our after 20 runs.
Continued That Iran must be stopped from acquiring a nuclear weapon by any means necessary - He doesn't think that. He's just given them loadsa cash that they will use to build one.
That everything bad in the last four decades of the Middle East has Iran’s fingerprints on it - does anyone apart from that muppet Roger dispute this?
That Israel has the right to defend itself, and has generally behaved well in response to the Oct 7th attacks - I think we can safely draw a distinction between 'its initial response' (which was foolish, as it was what Hamas wanted, but understandable) and the more recent operations aimed solely at extending the loathsome Netanyahu's political career.
That Gaza will only behave itself if allowed to prosper economically - this is an illogical contradiction of your previous point, given the reason they can't is Israel's strangling of them (assisted by Egypt under US pressure).
That the Democratic Party is becoming infested with communists and antisemites - There are some, just as there are out and Nazis and indeed antisemites in the Republicans (Miller, Vance, Hegseth). That is kind of the nature of the beast of American politics. The Democrats cannot realistically be said to be 'infested' with such people.
But mostly it’s not actually policy positions that people are annoyed by, it’s Trump himself. They either take him far too literally, or they start from the premise that whatever it is must be bad because Trump is doing it or supports it, and work backwards from there - well, it frequently is. As when he orders pardons for the rioters of 6th Jan because of bribes they paid him. Or demanding the arrest of somebody who dared to inspect the damage caused by a restoration carried out to a Washington landmark carried out illegally on Trump's orders and claiming he was the cause of the damage. Or his claims about vote rigging (epic projection) or about his increasingly obvious medical treatment.
Right, an afternoon of cricket and F1 beckons - well, enjoy, but I don't think you're convincing anyone with this.
I think you may have fallen into the trap of taking Sandpit too literally. Therefore it is all your fault.
We must take what people say seriously and it is our fault for ignoring it, except when we shouldn't take what they say seriously for some reason.
And if we don't get it, it just confirms how ridiculously out of touch we are. It's a cult. Run by......
Continued That Iran must be stopped from acquiring a nuclear weapon by any means necessary - He doesn't think that. He's just given them loadsa cash that they will use to build one.
That everything bad in the last four decades of the Middle East has Iran’s fingerprints on it - does anyone apart from that muppet Roger dispute this?
That Israel has the right to defend itself, and has generally behaved well in response to the Oct 7th attacks - I think we can safely draw a distinction between 'its initial response' (which was foolish, as it was what Hamas wanted, but understandable) and the more recent operations aimed solely at extending the loathsome Netanyahu's political career.
That Gaza will only behave itself if allowed to prosper economically - this is an illogical contradiction of your previous point, given the reason they can't is Israel's strangling of them (assisted by Egypt under US pressure).
That the Democratic Party is becoming infested with communists and antisemites - There are some, just as there are out and Nazis and indeed antisemites in the Republicans (Miller, Vance, Hegseth). That is kind of the nature of the beast of American politics. The Democrats cannot realistically be said to be 'infested' with such people.
But mostly it’s not actually policy positions that people are annoyed by, it’s Trump himself. They either take him far too literally, or they start from the premise that whatever it is must be bad because Trump is doing it or supports it, and work backwards from there - well, it frequently is. As when he orders pardons for the rioters of 6th Jan because of bribes they paid him. Or demanding the arrest of somebody who dared to inspect the damage caused by a restoration carried out to a Washington landmark carried out illegally on Trump's orders and claiming he was the cause of the damage. Or his claims about vote rigging (epic projection) or about his increasingly obvious medical treatment.
Right, an afternoon of cricket and F1 beckons - well, enjoy, but I don't think you're convincing anyone with this.
I think you may have fallen into the trap of taking Sandpit too literally. Therefore it is all your fault.
We must take what people say seriously and it is our fault for ignoring it, except when we shouldn't take what they say seriously for some reason.
And if we don't get it, it just confirms how ridiculously out of touch we are. It's a cult. Run by......
I always thought that Leon, in whatever guise, rarely expected to be taken seriously. Except when he was talking about his travels.
I do think football adopting the American Football approach of having the ref explain their call to the stadium is a good one, so there are some things the world cup has done right (some of the rule changes too, in theory, but they're already inconsistent in applying them).
Continued That Iran must be stopped from acquiring a nuclear weapon by any means necessary - He doesn't think that. He's just given them loadsa cash that they will use to build one.
That everything bad in the last four decades of the Middle East has Iran’s fingerprints on it - does anyone apart from that muppet Roger dispute this?
That Israel has the right to defend itself, and has generally behaved well in response to the Oct 7th attacks - I think we can safely draw a distinction between 'its initial response' (which was foolish, as it was what Hamas wanted, but understandable) and the more recent operations aimed solely at extending the loathsome Netanyahu's political career.
That Gaza will only behave itself if allowed to prosper economically - this is an illogical contradiction of your previous point, given the reason they can't is Israel's strangling of them (assisted by Egypt under US pressure).
That the Democratic Party is becoming infested with communists and antisemites - There are some, just as there are out and Nazis and indeed antisemites in the Republicans (Miller, Vance, Hegseth). That is kind of the nature of the beast of American politics. The Democrats cannot realistically be said to be 'infested' with such people.
But mostly it’s not actually policy positions that people are annoyed by, it’s Trump himself. They either take him far too literally, or they start from the premise that whatever it is must be bad because Trump is doing it or supports it, and work backwards from there - well, it frequently is. As when he orders pardons for the rioters of 6th Jan because of bribes they paid him. Or demanding the arrest of somebody who dared to inspect the damage caused by a restoration carried out to a Washington landmark carried out illegally on Trump's orders and claiming he was the cause of the damage. Or his claims about vote rigging (epic projection) or about his increasingly obvious medical treatment.
Right, an afternoon of cricket and F1 beckons - well, enjoy, but I don't think you're convincing anyone with this.
I think you may have fallen into the trap of taking Sandpit too literally. Therefore it is all your fault.
We must take what people say seriously and it is our fault for ignoring it, except when we shouldn't take what they say seriously for some reason.
And if we don't get it, it just confirms how ridiculously out of touch we are. It's a cult. Run by......
I always thought that Leon, in whatever guise, rarely expected to be taken seriously. Except when he was talking about his travels.
If England could just eke things out to with 30 runs of New Zealand that would be a fair reflection of things, and pretty funny too.
If we can get 400 we will be well in contention. I can't see that happening though 😡
If they just swung and hoped they'd probably get another 30-40, if their eye is in, but if they try to go for 1-2 an over for 30 overs they will be our after 20 runs.
As soon as the scoring slows down, that's when the wickets happen.
Continued That Iran must be stopped from acquiring a nuclear weapon by any means necessary - He doesn't think that. He's just given them loadsa cash that they will use to build one.
That everything bad in the last four decades of the Middle East has Iran’s fingerprints on it - does anyone apart from that muppet Roger dispute this?
That Israel has the right to defend itself, and has generally behaved well in response to the Oct 7th attacks - I think we can safely draw a distinction between 'its initial response' (which was foolish, as it was what Hamas wanted, but understandable) and the more recent operations aimed solely at extending the loathsome Netanyahu's political career.
That Gaza will only behave itself if allowed to prosper economically - this is an illogical contradiction of your previous point, given the reason they can't is Israel's strangling of them (assisted by Egypt under US pressure).
That the Democratic Party is becoming infested with communists and antisemites - There are some, just as there are out and Nazis and indeed antisemites in the Republicans (Miller, Vance, Hegseth). That is kind of the nature of the beast of American politics. The Democrats cannot realistically be said to be 'infested' with such people.
But mostly it’s not actually policy positions that people are annoyed by, it’s Trump himself. They either take him far too literally, or they start from the premise that whatever it is must be bad because Trump is doing it or supports it, and work backwards from there - well, it frequently is. As when he orders pardons for the rioters of 6th Jan because of bribes they paid him. Or demanding the arrest of somebody who dared to inspect the damage caused by a restoration carried out to a Washington landmark carried out illegally on Trump's orders and claiming he was the cause of the damage. Or his claims about vote rigging (epic projection) or about his increasingly obvious medical treatment.
Right, an afternoon of cricket and F1 beckons - well, enjoy, but I don't think you're convincing anyone with this.
I think you may have fallen into the trap of taking Sandpit too literally. Therefore it is all your fault.
We must take what people say seriously and it is our fault for ignoring it, except when we shouldn't take what they say seriously for some reason.
And if we don't get it, it just confirms how ridiculously out of touch we are. It's a cult. Run by......
I always thought that Leon, in whatever guise, rarely expected to be taken seriously. Except when he was talking about his travels.
is Leon under the ban hammer or just flouncing ?
Little of both - he clearly wanted to get banned and provoked it, as is his wont from time to time.
Continued That Iran must be stopped from acquiring a nuclear weapon by any means necessary - He doesn't think that. He's just given them loadsa cash that they will use to build one.
That everything bad in the last four decades of the Middle East has Iran’s fingerprints on it - does anyone apart from that muppet Roger dispute this?
That Israel has the right to defend itself, and has generally behaved well in response to the Oct 7th attacks - I think we can safely draw a distinction between 'its initial response' (which was foolish, as it was what Hamas wanted, but understandable) and the more recent operations aimed solely at extending the loathsome Netanyahu's political career.
That Gaza will only behave itself if allowed to prosper economically - this is an illogical contradiction of your previous point, given the reason they can't is Israel's strangling of them (assisted by Egypt under US pressure).
That the Democratic Party is becoming infested with communists and antisemites - There are some, just as there are out and Nazis and indeed antisemites in the Republicans (Miller, Vance, Hegseth). That is kind of the nature of the beast of American politics. The Democrats cannot realistically be said to be 'infested' with such people.
But mostly it’s not actually policy positions that people are annoyed by, it’s Trump himself. They either take him far too literally, or they start from the premise that whatever it is must be bad because Trump is doing it or supports it, and work backwards from there - well, it frequently is. As when he orders pardons for the rioters of 6th Jan because of bribes they paid him. Or demanding the arrest of somebody who dared to inspect the damage caused by a restoration carried out to a Washington landmark carried out illegally on Trump's orders and claiming he was the cause of the damage. Or his claims about vote rigging (epic projection) or about his increasingly obvious medical treatment.
Right, an afternoon of cricket and F1 beckons - well, enjoy, but I don't think you're convincing anyone with this.
I think you may have fallen into the trap of taking Sandpit too literally. Therefore it is all your fault.
We must take what people say seriously and it is our fault for ignoring it, except when we shouldn't take what they say seriously for some reason.
And if we don't get it, it just confirms how ridiculously out of touch we are. It's a cult. Run by......
I always thought that Leon, in whatever guise, rarely expected to be taken seriously. Except when he was talking about his travels.
is Leon under the ban hammer or just flouncing ?
Little of both - he clearly wanted to get banned and provoked it, as is his wont from time to time.
Has Leon been in the Gazette recently? Normally his pieces are posted here but I may have missed them.
If England could just eke things out to with 30 runs of New Zealand that would be a fair reflection of things, and pretty funny too.
If we can get 400 we will be well in contention. I can't see that happening though 😡
If they just swung and hoped they'd probably get another 30-40, if their eye is in, but if they try to go for 1-2 an over for 30 overs they will be our after 20 runs.
As soon as the scoring slows down, that's when the wickets happen.
And they have; when the game is resumed after tea the Kiwis will, effectively, be batting at 84-0.
I do think football adopting the American Football approach of having the ref explain their call to the stadium is a good one, so there are some things the world cup has done right (some of the rule changes too, in theory, but they're already inconsistent in applying them).
Pundits talk a lot about reffing consistency and a lot about refs applying common sense. The reality is in football you can't fully do both of those - and either on their own are worse than refs being a bit inconsistent and sometimes not applying common sense.
Betting on Ukraine to win is a mugs game (worse than betting on PAK Womens cricket) despite a few wins here and there IMO!
I’m not betting, just massively cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines.
Whilst you support Trump
For the 100th time no I don’t support him. I just don’t think he’s Hitler, and try to correct some of the more deranged things said about him.
If you need to correct something 100 times, perhaps consider that you are not portraying yourself that way.
It’s not my fault that most of this board has severe TDS.
Alright let’s tackle this head on.
What is an example where you think Trump is right and this board wrong? Just one will do.
Ooh, so where to start.
That there is rampant election fraud in the US
That conflicted foreigners should be deported immedaitely
That illegal immigrants should be deported
That hundreds of billions of dollars a year are lost to fraud
That NATO has been supported purely by the US for decades, and that European nations need to step up
That most of those convicted for the 6th Jan protest were innocent bystanders
That Iran must be stopped from acquiring a nuclear weapon by any means necessary
That everything bad in the last four decades of the Middle East has Iran’s fingerprints on it.
That Israel has the right to defend itself, and has generally behaved well in response to the Oct 7th attacks.
That Gaza will only behave itself if allowed to prosper economically
That the Democratic Party is becoming infested with communists and antisemites.
But mostly it’s not actually policy positions that people are annoyed by, it’s Trump himself. They either take him far too literally, or they start from the premise that whatever it is must be bad because Trump is doing it or supports it, and work backwards from there.
Right, an afternoon of cricket and F1 beckons.
Where to start? What about, “That everything bad in the last four decades of the Middle East has Iran’s fingerprints on it.” The last four decades of course includes Islamic State, a fundamentalist Sunni group who persecuted Shi’a Muslims and was opposed by Shi’a Iran. IS does not have Iran’s “fingerprints” on it. Before that, and still in the last four decades, we had Saddam Hussein in Iraq, another foe of Iran. Does Saddam’s invasion of Kuwait and attempts to get WMDs have Iran’s “fingerprints”?
As for electoral fraud, https://youtu.be/ccUaY9rcx5U sums up that debate nicely. That was when Trump walked out of an interview recently when the interviewer pointed out that he’d never presented evidence of his claims of electoral fraud.
Continued That Iran must be stopped from acquiring a nuclear weapon by any means necessary - He doesn't think that. He's just given them loadsa cash that they will use to build one.
That everything bad in the last four decades of the Middle East has Iran’s fingerprints on it - does anyone apart from that muppet Roger dispute this?
That Israel has the right to defend itself, and has generally behaved well in response to the Oct 7th attacks - I think we can safely draw a distinction between 'its initial response' (which was foolish, as it was what Hamas wanted, but understandable) and the more recent operations aimed solely at extending the loathsome Netanyahu's political career.
That Gaza will only behave itself if allowed to prosper economically - this is an illogical contradiction of your previous point, given the reason they can't is Israel's strangling of them (assisted by Egypt under US pressure).
That the Democratic Party is becoming infested with communists and antisemites - There are some, just as there are out and Nazis and indeed antisemites in the Republicans (Miller, Vance, Hegseth). That is kind of the nature of the beast of American politics. The Democrats cannot realistically be said to be 'infested' with such people.
But mostly it’s not actually policy positions that people are annoyed by, it’s Trump himself. They either take him far too literally, or they start from the premise that whatever it is must be bad because Trump is doing it or supports it, and work backwards from there - well, it frequently is. As when he orders pardons for the rioters of 6th Jan because of bribes they paid him. Or demanding the arrest of somebody who dared to inspect the damage caused by a restoration carried out to a Washington landmark carried out illegally on Trump's orders and claiming he was the cause of the damage. Or his claims about vote rigging (epic projection) or about his increasingly obvious medical treatment.
Right, an afternoon of cricket and F1 beckons - well, enjoy, but I don't think you're convincing anyone with this.
I think you may have fallen into the trap of taking Sandpit too literally. Therefore it is all your fault.
We must take what people say seriously and it is our fault for ignoring it, except when we shouldn't take what they say seriously for some reason.
And if we don't get it, it just confirms how ridiculously out of touch we are. It's a cult. Run by......
I always thought that Leon, in whatever guise, rarely expected to be taken seriously. Except when he was talking about his travels.
Betting on Ukraine to win is a mugs game (worse than betting on PAK Womens cricket) despite a few wins here and there IMO!
I’m not betting, just massively cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines.
Whilst you support Trump
For the 100th time no I don’t support him. I just don’t think he’s Hitler, and try to correct some of the more deranged things said about him.
If you need to correct something 100 times, perhaps consider that you are not portraying yourself that way.
It’s not my fault that most of this board has severe TDS.
Alright let’s tackle this head on.
What is an example where you think Trump is right and this board wrong? Just one will do.
Ooh, so where to start.
That there is rampant election fraud in the US
That conflicted foreigners should be deported immedaitely
That illegal immigrants should be deported
That hundreds of billions of dollars a year are lost to fraud
That NATO has been supported purely by the US for decades, and that European nations need to step up
That most of those convicted for the 6th Jan protest were innocent bystanders
That Iran must be stopped from acquiring a nuclear weapon by any means necessary
That everything bad in the last four decades of the Middle East has Iran’s fingerprints on it.
That Israel has the right to defend itself, and has generally behaved well in response to the Oct 7th attacks.
That Gaza will only behave itself if allowed to prosper economically
That the Democratic Party is becoming infested with communists and antisemites.
But mostly it’s not actually policy positions that people are annoyed by, it’s Trump himself. They either take him far too literally, or they start from the premise that whatever it is must be bad because Trump is doing it or supports it, and work backwards from there.
Right, an afternoon of cricket and F1 beckons.
Where to start? What about, “That everything bad in the last four decades of the Middle East has Iran’s fingerprints on it.” The last four decades of course includes Islamic State, a fundamentalist Sunni group who persecuted Shi’a Muslims and was opposed by Shi’a Iran. IS does not have Iran’s “fingerprints” on it. Before that, and still in the last four decades, we had Saddam Hussein in Iraq, another foe of Iran. Does Saddam’s invasion of Kuwait and attempts to get WMDs have Iran’s “fingerprints”?
As for electoral fraud, https://youtu.be/ccUaY9rcx5U sums up that debate nicely. That was when Trump walked out of an interview recently when the interviewer pointed out that he’d never presented evidence of his claims of electoral fraud.
Electoral fraud certainly exists, on both sides of US politics. That it's "rampant" is an evidence free assertion, and Trump's assertion that is cost him the 2020 election is a flat out lie.
Thats one example of Sandpit (IMO) sanitising Trump's nonsense.
That hundreds of billions of dollars a year are lost to fraud - It's been repeatedly demonstrated to you that your claims on this are essentially a repetition of a bunch of lies, half-truths and exaggerations ultimately from Trump's supporters most of whom lie with even greater felicity and facility than he does. Yes, there is fraud. And it is committed by Democrats, Republicans and non-partisan Mafia bosses like Trump himself. The
That should finish, 'the weaponisation of false/exaggerated fraud allegations by a man who is well known for his frauds and has been repeatedly convicted for them is ironic, but it does not mean that Trump is right about either the scale or the location it is happening in.'
I think Sandpit posts a lot of this in good faith, and I value his perspective.
To me it just reinforces the post-truth nature of the Internet. One can go looking for, and find, really quite convincing evidence for whatever you want to believe.
This isn't to say Sandpit is wrong about all of this stuff. The paragraph above could equally apply to one of his political opponents on here, of which there are many.
But that shouldn't create a false equivalence. Trump is more wrong than his opponents are and, by extension, Sandpit is more wrong than those he argues against.
Mostly not because of the individual items in his list. More because democracy is fragile and Trump, whether he has a point about some of his grievances or not, is weakening it more than his opponents are.
Continued That Iran must be stopped from acquiring a nuclear weapon by any means necessary - He doesn't think that. He's just given them loadsa cash that they will use to build one.
That everything bad in the last four decades of the Middle East has Iran’s fingerprints on it - does anyone apart from that muppet Roger dispute this?
That Israel has the right to defend itself, and has generally behaved well in response to the Oct 7th attacks - I think we can safely draw a distinction between 'its initial response' (which was foolish, as it was what Hamas wanted, but understandable) and the more recent operations aimed solely at extending the loathsome Netanyahu's political career.
That Gaza will only behave itself if allowed to prosper economically - this is an illogical contradiction of your previous point, given the reason they can't is Israel's strangling of them (assisted by Egypt under US pressure).
That the Democratic Party is becoming infested with communists and antisemites - There are some, just as there are out and Nazis and indeed antisemites in the Republicans (Miller, Vance, Hegseth). That is kind of the nature of the beast of American politics. The Democrats cannot realistically be said to be 'infested' with such people.
But mostly it’s not actually policy positions that people are annoyed by, it’s Trump himself. They either take him far too literally, or they start from the premise that whatever it is must be bad because Trump is doing it or supports it, and work backwards from there - well, it frequently is. As when he orders pardons for the rioters of 6th Jan because of bribes they paid him. Or demanding the arrest of somebody who dared to inspect the damage caused by a restoration carried out to a Washington landmark carried out illegally on Trump's orders and claiming he was the cause of the damage. Or his claims about vote rigging (epic projection) or about his increasingly obvious medical treatment.
Right, an afternoon of cricket and F1 beckons - well, enjoy, but I don't think you're convincing anyone with this.
I think you may have fallen into the trap of taking Sandpit too literally. Therefore it is all your fault.
We must take what people say seriously and it is our fault for ignoring it, except when we shouldn't take what they say seriously for some reason.
And if we don't get it, it just confirms how ridiculously out of touch we are. It's a cult. Run by......
I always thought that Leon, in whatever guise, rarely expected to be taken seriously. Except when he was talking about his travels.
is Leon under the ban hammer or just flouncing ?
Little of both - he clearly wanted to get banned and provoked it, as is his wont from time to time.
Has Leon been in the Gazette recently? Normally his pieces are posted here but I may have missed them.
He published an article recently (can't say which ones without outing him).
He's not bad as a writer, and I quite like his photographs of bleak American decay (but not his photographs of bartops and drinks, which are boring). I enjoy reading his articles. But his outbursts against [forbidden topic] and his tendency to escalate to personal abuse can be off-putting. It would be good if he came back in a more restrained manner, but then it wouldn't really be him, would it?
Betting on Ukraine to win is a mugs game (worse than betting on PAK Womens cricket) despite a few wins here and there IMO!
I’m not betting, just massively cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines.
Whilst you support Trump
For the 100th time no I don’t support him. I just don’t think he’s Hitler, and try to correct some of the more deranged things said about him.
If you need to correct something 100 times, perhaps consider that you are not portraying yourself that way.
It’s not my fault that most of this board has severe TDS.
Alright let’s tackle this head on.
What is an example where you think Trump is right and this board wrong? Just one will do.
Ooh, so where to start.
That there is rampant election fraud in the US
That conflicted foreigners should be deported immedaitely
That illegal immigrants should be deported
That hundreds of billions of dollars a year are lost to fraud
That NATO has been supported purely by the US for decades, and that European nations need to step up
That most of those convicted for the 6th Jan protest were innocent bystanders
That Iran must be stopped from acquiring a nuclear weapon by any means necessary
That everything bad in the last four decades of the Middle East has Iran’s fingerprints on it.
That Israel has the right to defend itself, and has generally behaved well in response to the Oct 7th attacks.
That Gaza will only behave itself if allowed to prosper economically
That the Democratic Party is becoming infested with communists and antisemites.
But mostly it’s not actually policy positions that people are annoyed by, it’s Trump himself. They either take him far too literally, or they start from the premise that whatever it is must be bad because Trump is doing it or supports it, and work backwards from there.
Right, an afternoon of cricket and F1 beckons.
Thank you for replying. I will read over it and respond later.
I think your response would be one of what YouTube channels are you watching and X accounts are you following? Please list so I can avoid like the plague.
Or, as the World's most brilliant political blog very recently put it,
The technology to polish and disseminate information is brilliant these days. Unfortunately, that is equally the case whether the information is true or not.
And the false information is often the easier story to tell and has more funds attached to it..
I like the notion that "a lie is half way around the World before the truth has got its trousers on".
That hundreds of billions of dollars a year are lost to fraud - It's been repeatedly demonstrated to you that your claims on this are essentially a repetition of a bunch of lies, half-truths and exaggerations ultimately from Trump's supporters most of whom lie with even greater felicity and facility than he does. Yes, there is fraud. And it is committed by Democrats, Republicans and non-partisan Mafia bosses like Trump himself. The
That should finish, 'the weaponisation of false/exaggerated fraud allegations by a man who is well known for his frauds and has been repeatedly convicted for them is ironic, but it does not mean that Trump is right about either the scale or the location it is happening in.'
I think Sandpit posts a lot of this in good faith, and I value his perspective.
To me it just reinforces the post-truth nature of the Internet. One can go looking for, and find, really quite convincing evidence for whatever you want to believe.
This isn't to say Sandpit is wrong about all of this stuff. The paragraph above could equally apply to one of his political opponents on here, of which there are many.
But that shouldn't create a false equivalence. Trump is more wrong than his opponents are and, by extension, Sandpit is more wrong than those he argues against.
Mostly not because of the individual items in his list. More because democracy is fragile and Trump, whether he has a point about some of his grievances or not, is weakening it more than his opponents are.
But that's the problem, isn't it? It's not just that he's gulled by the rubbish but about by MAGA it's that even when it's demonstrated to him that it's not true he won't recant it.
Perhaps it's designed to provoke, or to be devil's advocate, but it still looks like insanity. Or as we also call it, Trump Derangement Syndrome.
Which is doubly frustrating given as you say he's a valuable poster on many other topics.
Betting on Ukraine to win is a mugs game (worse than betting on PAK Womens cricket) despite a few wins here and there IMO!
I’m not betting, just massively cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines.
Whilst you support Trump
For the 100th time no I don’t support him. I just don’t think he’s Hitler, and try to correct some of the more deranged things said about him.
If you need to correct something 100 times, perhaps consider that you are not portraying yourself that way.
It’s not my fault that most of this board has severe TDS.
Alright let’s tackle this head on.
What is an example where you think Trump is right and this board wrong? Just one will do.
Ooh, so where to start.
That there is rampant election fraud in the US
That conflicted foreigners should be deported immedaitely
That illegal immigrants should be deported
That hundreds of billions of dollars a year are lost to fraud
That NATO has been supported purely by the US for decades, and that European nations need to step up
That most of those convicted for the 6th Jan protest were innocent bystanders
That Iran must be stopped from acquiring a nuclear weapon by any means necessary
That everything bad in the last four decades of the Middle East has Iran’s fingerprints on it.
That Israel has the right to defend itself, and has generally behaved well in response to the Oct 7th attacks.
That Gaza will only behave itself if allowed to prosper economically
That the Democratic Party is becoming infested with communists and antisemites.
But mostly it’s not actually policy positions that people are annoyed by, it’s Trump himself. They either take him far too literally, or they start from the premise that whatever it is must be bad because Trump is doing it or supports it, and work backwards from there.
Right, an afternoon of cricket and F1 beckons.
Thank you for replying. I will read over it and respond later.
I think your response would be one of what YouTube channels are you watching and X accounts are you following? Please list so I can avoid like the plague.
Or, as the World's most brilliant political blog very recently put it,
The technology to polish and disseminate information is brilliant these days. Unfortunately, that is equally the case whether the information is true or not.
And the false information is often the easier story to tell and has more funds attached to it..
I like the notion that "a lie is half way around the World before the truth has got its trousers on".
Maybe the truth should just charge straight out into the street after it in the scud.
Sadiq Khan's attempt to stop London residents from installing air conditioning is probably the closest thing for a thousand years to King Cnut trying to hold back the waves (even if the latter isn't historically accurate, lol).
That hundreds of billions of dollars a year are lost to fraud - It's been repeatedly demonstrated to you that your claims on this are essentially a repetition of a bunch of lies, half-truths and exaggerations ultimately from Trump's supporters most of whom lie with even greater felicity and facility than he does. Yes, there is fraud. And it is committed by Democrats, Republicans and non-partisan Mafia bosses like Trump himself. The
That should finish, 'the weaponisation of false/exaggerated fraud allegations by a man who is well known for his frauds and has been repeatedly convicted for them is ironic, but it does not mean that Trump is right about either the scale or the location it is happening in.'
I think Sandpit posts a lot of this in good faith, and I value his perspective.
To me it just reinforces the post-truth nature of the Internet. One can go looking for, and find, really quite convincing evidence for whatever you want to believe.
This isn't to say Sandpit is wrong about all of this stuff. The paragraph above could equally apply to one of his political opponents on here, of which there are many.
But that shouldn't create a false equivalence. Trump is more wrong than his opponents are and, by extension, Sandpit is more wrong than those he argues against.
Mostly not because of the individual items in his list. More because democracy is fragile and Trump, whether he has a point about some of his grievances or not, is weakening it more than his opponents are.
But that's the problem, isn't it? It's not just that he's gulled by the rubbish but about by MAGA it's that even when it's demonstrated to him that it's not true he won't recant it.
Perhaps it's designed to provoke, or to be devil's advocate, but it still looks like insanity. Or as we also call it, Trump Derangement Syndrome.
Which is doubly frustrating given as you say he's a valuable poster on many other topics.
I don't mind it much.
Sandpit is a pretty good poster as you say. I just assume he's taking the piss when he accuses "most of PB" of TDS.
Sadiq Khan's attempt to stop London residents from installing air conditioning is probably the closest thing for a thousand years to King Cnut trying to hold back the waves (even if the latter isn't historically accurate, lol).
Not to be a pedant (who am I kidding), to be like Cnut Sadiq would be standing in the window telling the heat to dissipate. The point was to demonstrate to his advisers that he wasn't omnipotent.
That hundreds of billions of dollars a year are lost to fraud - It's been repeatedly demonstrated to you that your claims on this are essentially a repetition of a bunch of lies, half-truths and exaggerations ultimately from Trump's supporters most of whom lie with even greater felicity and facility than he does. Yes, there is fraud. And it is committed by Democrats, Republicans and non-partisan Mafia bosses like Trump himself. The
That should finish, 'the weaponisation of false/exaggerated fraud allegations by a man who is well known for his frauds and has been repeatedly convicted for them is ironic, but it does not mean that Trump is right about either the scale or the location it is happening in.'
I think Sandpit posts a lot of this in good faith, and I value his perspective.
To me it just reinforces the post-truth nature of the Internet. One can go looking for, and find, really quite convincing evidence for whatever you want to believe.
This isn't to say Sandpit is wrong about all of this stuff. The paragraph above could equally apply to one of his political opponents on here, of which there are many.
But that shouldn't create a false equivalence. Trump is more wrong than his opponents are and, by extension, Sandpit is more wrong than those he argues against.
Mostly not because of the individual items in his list. More because democracy is fragile and Trump, whether he has a point about some of his grievances or not, is weakening it more than his opponents are.
But that's the problem, isn't it? It's not just that he's gulled by the rubbish but about by MAGA it's that even when it's demonstrated to him that it's not true he won't recant it.
Perhaps it's designed to provoke, or to be devil's advocate, but it still looks like insanity. Or as we also call it, Trump Derangement Syndrome.
Which is doubly frustrating given as you say he's a valuable poster on many other topics.
Agreed. Like many of us he believes first, and finds evidence later. He isn't unusual in that (and I'm uncomfortable implying that he is). What's unusual is what he chooses to believe.
But his approach to politics is no more hypocritical than the rest of us, even if the content of his beliefs has more potential to do harm.
I think what I'm really trying to say is, Sandpit isn't the problem, human nature+social media is.
Sadiq Khan's attempt to stop London residents from installing air conditioning is probably the closest thing for a thousand years to King Cnut trying to hold back the waves (even if the latter isn't historically accurate, lol).
According to Khan's plan launched 2 days ago there is no bar on AC when more than passive measures are needed. It also recommends AC for Hospitals and Care settings etc.
"The Well-Adapted UK report from the Climate Change Committee (the independent advisory group to government) sets clear, costed targets for reducing heat-health impacts. Passive methods for cooling (e.g., external shading) will minimise energy demand and increase resilience; but air conditioning will also be needed for vulnerable settings such as health and care. To reach safe and comfortable temperatures across other settings, there may be cases where air conditioning is needed in combination with passive measures."
Russell likely to attract a penalty for yellow flag infringement, I think ?
Yes.
Apparently not, somewhat surprisingly.
Mercedes' Russell says he lifted for yellow flag I simply don't think it possible to achieve that pole if he had.
He only lifted by 0.1sec, but that's enough under the rules. The last sector is short and Russell gained most time in the long second sector, which is what got him pole.
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Sadiq Khan's attempt to stop London residents from installing air conditioning is probably the closest thing for a thousand years to King Cnut trying to hold back the waves (even if the latter isn't historically accurate, lol).
According to Khan's plan launched 2 days ago there is no bar on AC when more than passive measures are needed. It also recommends AC for Hospitals and Care settings etc.
"The Well-Adapted UK report from the Climate Change Committee (the independent advisory group to government) sets clear, costed targets for reducing heat-health impacts. Passive methods for cooling (e.g., external shading) will minimise energy demand and increase resilience; but air conditioning will also be needed for vulnerable settings such as health and care. To reach safe and comfortable temperatures across other settings, there may be cases where air conditioning is needed in combination with passive measures."
Betting on Ukraine to win is a mugs game (worse than betting on PAK Womens cricket) despite a few wins here and there IMO!
I’m not betting, just massively cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines.
Whilst you support Trump
For the 100th time no I don’t support him. I just don’t think he’s Hitler, and try to correct some of the more deranged things said about him.
If you need to correct something 100 times, perhaps consider that you are not portraying yourself that way.
It’s not my fault that most of this board has severe TDS.
Alright let’s tackle this head on.
What is an example where you think Trump is right and this board wrong? Just one will do.
Ooh, so where to start.
That there is rampant election fraud in the US
That conflicted foreigners should be deported immedaitely
That illegal immigrants should be deported
That hundreds of billions of dollars a year are lost to fraud
That NATO has been supported purely by the US for decades, and that European nations need to step up
That most of those convicted for the 6th Jan protest were innocent bystanders
That Iran must be stopped from acquiring a nuclear weapon by any means necessary
That everything bad in the last four decades of the Middle East has Iran’s fingerprints on it.
That Israel has the right to defend itself, and has generally behaved well in response to the Oct 7th attacks.
That Gaza will only behave itself if allowed to prosper economically
That the Democratic Party is becoming infested with communists and antisemites.
But mostly it’s not actually policy positions that people are annoyed by, it’s Trump himself. They either take him far too literally, or they start from the premise that whatever it is must be bad because Trump is doing it or supports it, and work backwards from there.
Right, an afternoon of cricket and F1 beckons.
Thank you for replying. I will read over it and respond later.
I think your response would be one of what YouTube channels are you watching and X accounts are you following? Please list so I can avoid like the plague.
Or, as the World's most brilliant political blog very recently put it,
The technology to polish and disseminate information is brilliant these days. Unfortunately, that is equally the case whether the information is true or not.
And the false information is often the easier story to tell and has more funds attached to it..
I like the notion that "a lie is half way around the World before the truth has got its trousers on".
Maybe the truth should just charge straight out into the street after it in the scud.
Imagine Michael Alexander St John saying that in a The Day Today blipvert.
Betting on Ukraine to win is a mugs game (worse than betting on PAK Womens cricket) despite a few wins here and there IMO!
I’m not betting, just massively cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines.
Whilst you support Trump
For the 100th time no I don’t support him. I just don’t think he’s Hitler, and try to correct some of the more deranged things said about him.
If you need to correct something 100 times, perhaps consider that you are not portraying yourself that way.
It’s not my fault that most of this board has severe TDS.
Alright let’s tackle this head on.
What is an example where you think Trump is right and this board wrong? Just one will do.
Ooh, so where to start.
That there is rampant election fraud in the US
That conflicted foreigners should be deported immedaitely
That illegal immigrants should be deported
That hundreds of billions of dollars a year are lost to fraud
That NATO has been supported purely by the US for decades, and that European nations need to step up
That most of those convicted for the 6th Jan protest were innocent bystanders
That Iran must be stopped from acquiring a nuclear weapon by any means necessary
That everything bad in the last four decades of the Middle East has Iran’s fingerprints on it.
That Israel has the right to defend itself, and has generally behaved well in response to the Oct 7th attacks.
That Gaza will only behave itself if allowed to prosper economically
That the Democratic Party is becoming infested with communists and antisemites.
But mostly it’s not actually policy positions that people are annoyed by, it’s Trump himself. They either take him far too literally, or they start from the premise that whatever it is must be bad because Trump is doing it or supports it, and work backwards from there.
Right, an afternoon of cricket and F1 beckons.
Thank you for replying. I will read over it and respond later.
Sadiq Khan's attempt to stop London residents from installing air conditioning is probably the closest thing for a thousand years to King Cnut trying to hold back the waves (even if the latter isn't historically accurate, lol).
According to Khan's plan launched 2 days ago there is no bar on AC when more than passive measures are needed. It also recommends AC for Hospitals and Care settings etc.
"The Well-Adapted UK report from the Climate Change Committee (the independent advisory group to government) sets clear, costed targets for reducing heat-health impacts. Passive methods for cooling (e.g., external shading) will minimise energy demand and increase resilience; but air conditioning will also be needed for vulnerable settings such as health and care. To reach safe and comfortable temperatures across other settings, there may be cases where air conditioning is needed in combination with passive measures."
Sadiq Khan's attempt to stop London residents from installing air conditioning is probably the closest thing for a thousand years to King Cnut trying to hold back the waves (even if the latter isn't historically accurate, lol).
According to Khan's plan launched 2 days ago there is no bar on AC when more than passive measures are needed. It also recommends AC for Hospitals and Care settings etc.
"The Well-Adapted UK report from the Climate Change Committee (the independent advisory group to government) sets clear, costed targets for reducing heat-health impacts. Passive methods for cooling (e.g., external shading) will minimise energy demand and increase resilience; but air conditioning will also be needed for vulnerable settings such as health and care. To reach safe and comfortable temperatures across other settings, there may be cases where air conditioning is needed in combination with passive measures."
No other hot country "debates" the merits of air conditioning, they just get on with it.
Other countries do also emphasise passive measures, notably trees and shading. Paris, Singapore, Chicago for example all require passive measures such as tree planting in order to provide shade, as well as a more pleasant ambience.
In any case AC is not banned by Khan, indeed he wants it in high risk places such as hospitals and care homes.
Former Guardian journalist David Henkel has died. He broke the Cash for Questions story and unearthed the loan scandal that led to Peter Mandleson's first resignation.
Sadiq Khan's attempt to stop London residents from installing air conditioning is probably the closest thing for a thousand years to King Cnut trying to hold back the waves (even if the latter isn't historically accurate, lol).
r u believing the guff you read in the telegraph again?
Former Guardian journalist David Henkel has died. He broke the Cash for Questions story and unearthed the loan scandal that led to Peter Mandleson's first resignation.
Sadiq Khan's attempt to stop London residents from installing air conditioning is probably the closest thing for a thousand years to King Cnut trying to hold back the waves (even if the latter isn't historically accurate, lol).
According to Khan's plan launched 2 days ago there is no bar on AC when more than passive measures are needed. It also recommends AC for Hospitals and Care settings etc.
"The Well-Adapted UK report from the Climate Change Committee (the independent advisory group to government) sets clear, costed targets for reducing heat-health impacts. Passive methods for cooling (e.g., external shading) will minimise energy demand and increase resilience; but air conditioning will also be needed for vulnerable settings such as health and care. To reach safe and comfortable temperatures across other settings, there may be cases where air conditioning is needed in combination with passive measures."
No other hot country "debates" the merits of air conditioning, they just get on with it.
Other countries do also emphasise passive measures, notably trees and shading. Paris, Singapore, Chicago for example all require passive measures such as tree planting in order to provide shade, as well as a more pleasant ambience.
In any case AC is not banned by Khan, indeed he wants it in high risk places such as hospitals and care homes.
Also by far the most cost-effective measure you can make.
But we can all see where this is going - a contrived culture war where people pretend the world is black and white. Where encouraging cycling becomes “the war on cars”, where insulating homes properly is some sort of green conspiracy against energy consumption, and where planting street trees is all about “banning AC”.
Sadiq Khan's attempt to stop London residents from installing air conditioning is probably the closest thing for a thousand years to King Cnut trying to hold back the waves (even if the latter isn't historically accurate, lol).
According to Khan's plan launched 2 days ago there is no bar on AC when more than passive measures are needed. It also recommends AC for Hospitals and Care settings etc.
"The Well-Adapted UK report from the Climate Change Committee (the independent advisory group to government) sets clear, costed targets for reducing heat-health impacts. Passive methods for cooling (e.g., external shading) will minimise energy demand and increase resilience; but air conditioning will also be needed for vulnerable settings such as health and care. To reach safe and comfortable temperatures across other settings, there may be cases where air conditioning is needed in combination with passive measures."
No other hot country "debates" the merits of air conditioning, they just get on with it.
Other countries do also emphasise passive measures, notably trees and shading. Paris, Singapore, Chicago for example all require passive measures such as tree planting in order to provide shade, as well as a more pleasant ambience.
In any case AC is not banned by Khan, indeed he wants it in high risk places such as hospitals and care homes.
Also by far the most cost-effective measure you can make.
But we can all see where this is going - a contrived culture war where people pretend the world is black and white. Where encouraging cycling becomes “the war on cars”, where insulating homes properly is some sort of green conspiracy against energy consumption, and where planting street trees is all about “banning AC”.
Speaking of heat, it's been five years since the Seattle area hit all-time records:
Over time, descending air in a heat dome creates a progressively warmer air mass. From June 25 through the 28 in 2021, temperatures in the region warmed each day, peaking on the 28 and crushing previous all-time record highs. Bellingham soared to 99 degrees, Everett Paine Field hit 100, Arlington reached 103, SeaTac (SEA) Airport got to 108, Olympia and Forks peaked at 110, and Portland, Oregon suffered from a sizzling 116 degrees. The hottest temperature in the state was a scorching 120 degrees at Hanford near the Tri-Cities.
The previous all-time high temperature at SEA was 103 degrees, established on July 29, 2009. The 108-degree high on June 28, 2021 simply soared past the previous all-time record.
Heat wave impacts During this historic heat wave, more than 250 people in the Pacific Northwest succumbed to the heat, and in Western Canada, more than 400 people perished.
In the past, homes in this area rarely had air conditioning, even for bedrooms, since you might want it for just a week or two each summer. About half have it now.
(The cities listed are in order from north to south, with two exceptions: Forks is on the northwest coast and Hanford is in eastern Washington state.)
Betting on Ukraine to win is a mugs game (worse than betting on PAK Womens cricket) despite a few wins here and there IMO!
I’m not betting, just massively cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines.
Whilst you support Trump
For the 100th time no I don’t support him. I just don’t think he’s Hitler, and try to correct some of the more deranged things said about him.
If you need to correct something 100 times, perhaps consider that you are not portraying yourself that way.
It’s not my fault that most of this board has severe TDS.
Alright let’s tackle this head on.
What is an example where you think Trump is right and this board wrong? Just one will do.
Ooh, so where to start.
That there is rampant election fraud in the US
That conflicted foreigners should be deported immedaitely
That illegal immigrants should be deported
That hundreds of billions of dollars a year are lost to fraud
That NATO has been supported purely by the US for decades, and that European nations need to step up
That most of those convicted for the 6th Jan protest were innocent bystanders
That Iran must be stopped from acquiring a nuclear weapon by any means necessary
That everything bad in the last four decades of the Middle East has Iran’s fingerprints on it.
That Israel has the right to defend itself, and has generally behaved well in response to the Oct 7th attacks.
That Gaza will only behave itself if allowed to prosper economically
That the Democratic Party is becoming infested with communists and antisemites.
But mostly it’s not actually policy positions that people are annoyed by, it’s Trump himself. They either take him far too literally, or they start from the premise that whatever it is must be bad because Trump is doing it or supports it, and work backwards from there.
Right, an afternoon of cricket and F1 beckons.
Thank you for replying. I will read over it and respond later.
I wouldn't bother. Anyone whose starts by echoing Trump's "there is rampant election fraud in the US" is too far down the rabbit hole to reason with.
Russell likely to attract a penalty for yellow flag infringement, I think ?
Yes.
Apparently not, somewhat surprisingly.
Mercedes' Russell says he lifted for yellow flag I simply don't think it possible to achieve that pole if he had.
He only lifted by 0.1sec, but that's enough under the rules. The last sector is short and Russell gained most time in the long second sector, which is what got him pole.
The sequence of events is a bit clearer now, if anyone's interested.
Verstappen crashed at the second to last corner and Antonelli, coming up behind him, saw the crash and the resulting yellow flags, presumed they were double yellows given the seriousness of the crash, and aborted his lap.
Russell was a further back and didn't see the crash so he only had the yellow flags to go on. He correctly saw they were single yellows and backed off a bit in the corner, as required by the rules. He says he lifted for about 100m, being 0.5s up on pole going in to the corner an only 0.25s coming out. The stewards clearly agreed this was enough and he keeps the lap.
Antolelli has admitted he made a mistake with the flags, and interestingly also that he probably couldn't have matched Russell's pole time even without Verstappen's crash.
So the only real controversy here is the FIA race director throwing single yellows for a crash that many think should have been double yellow or a red flag. But the quality of race direction in F1 has been a sore spot for some time.
Betting on Ukraine to win is a mugs game (worse than betting on PAK Womens cricket) despite a few wins here and there IMO!
I’m not betting, just massively cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines.
Whilst you support Trump
For the 100th time no I don’t support him. I just don’t think he’s Hitler, and try to correct some of the more deranged things said about him.
If you need to correct something 100 times, perhaps consider that you are not portraying yourself that way.
It’s not my fault that most of this board has severe TDS.
Alright let’s tackle this head on.
What is an example where you think Trump is right and this board wrong? Just one will do.
Ooh, so where to start.
That there is rampant election fraud in the US
That conflicted foreigners should be deported immedaitely
That illegal immigrants should be deported
That hundreds of billions of dollars a year are lost to fraud
That NATO has been supported purely by the US for decades, and that European nations need to step up
That most of those convicted for the 6th Jan protest were innocent bystanders
That Iran must be stopped from acquiring a nuclear weapon by any means necessary
That everything bad in the last four decades of the Middle East has Iran’s fingerprints on it.
That Israel has the right to defend itself, and has generally behaved well in response to the Oct 7th attacks.
That Gaza will only behave itself if allowed to prosper economically
That the Democratic Party is becoming infested with communists and antisemites.
But mostly it’s not actually policy positions that people are annoyed by, it’s Trump himself. They either take him far too literally, or they start from the premise that whatever it is must be bad because Trump is doing it or supports it, and work backwards from there.
Right, an afternoon of cricket and F1 beckons.
Thank you for replying. I will read over it and respond later.
I wouldn't bother. Anyone whose starts by echoing Trump's "there is rampant election fraud in the US" is too far down the rabbit hole to reason with.
I’m sure other people don’t need you to tell them what to do.
Are you saying everything Sandpit lists there is incorrect ?
I honestly think the fragile flowers here would be far happier if this was a group where everyone had similar opinions and the disagreements were minor.
Like the twats below who meet for a meal on The Guardians ‘dining across the divide’. Sadly they’ll never meet Mohammed Emwazi.
Some who’s left wing, someone who’s a little more left wing
Betting on Ukraine to win is a mugs game (worse than betting on PAK Womens cricket) despite a few wins here and there IMO!
I’m not betting, just massively cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines.
Whilst you support Trump
For the 100th time no I don’t support him. I just don’t think he’s Hitler, and try to correct some of the more deranged things said about him.
If you need to correct something 100 times, perhaps consider that you are not portraying yourself that way.
It’s not my fault that most of this board has severe TDS.
Alright let’s tackle this head on.
What is an example where you think Trump is right and this board wrong? Just one will do.
Ooh, so where to start.
That there is rampant election fraud in the US
That conflicted foreigners should be deported immedaitely
That illegal immigrants should be deported
That hundreds of billions of dollars a year are lost to fraud
That NATO has been supported purely by the US for decades, and that European nations need to step up
That most of those convicted for the 6th Jan protest were innocent bystanders
That Iran must be stopped from acquiring a nuclear weapon by any means necessary
That everything bad in the last four decades of the Middle East has Iran’s fingerprints on it.
That Israel has the right to defend itself, and has generally behaved well in response to the Oct 7th attacks.
That Gaza will only behave itself if allowed to prosper economically
That the Democratic Party is becoming infested with communists and antisemites.
But mostly it’s not actually policy positions that people are annoyed by, it’s Trump himself. They either take him far too literally, or they start from the premise that whatever it is must be bad because Trump is doing it or supports it, and work backwards from there.
Right, an afternoon of cricket and F1 beckons.
Thank you for replying. I will read over it and respond later.
I wouldn't bother. Anyone whose starts by echoing Trump's "there is rampant election fraud in the US" is too far down the rabbit hole to reason with.
Betting on Ukraine to win is a mugs game (worse than betting on PAK Womens cricket) despite a few wins here and there IMO!
I’m not betting, just massively cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines.
Whilst you support Trump
For the 100th time no I don’t support him. I just don’t think he’s Hitler, and try to correct some of the more deranged things said about him.
If you need to correct something 100 times, perhaps consider that you are not portraying yourself that way.
It’s not my fault that most of this board has severe TDS.
Alright let’s tackle this head on.
What is an example where you think Trump is right and this board wrong? Just one will do.
Ooh, so where to start.
That there is rampant election fraud in the US
That conflicted foreigners should be deported immedaitely
That illegal immigrants should be deported
That hundreds of billions of dollars a year are lost to fraud
That NATO has been supported purely by the US for decades, and that European nations need to step up
That most of those convicted for the 6th Jan protest were innocent bystanders
That Iran must be stopped from acquiring a nuclear weapon by any means necessary
That everything bad in the last four decades of the Middle East has Iran’s fingerprints on it.
That Israel has the right to defend itself, and has generally behaved well in response to the Oct 7th attacks.
That Gaza will only behave itself if allowed to prosper economically
That the Democratic Party is becoming infested with communists and antisemites.
But mostly it’s not actually policy positions that people are annoyed by, it’s Trump himself. They either take him far too literally, or they start from the premise that whatever it is must be bad because Trump is doing it or supports it, and work backwards from there.
Right, an afternoon of cricket and F1 beckons.
Thank you for replying. I will read over it and respond later.
I wouldn't bother. Anyone whose starts by echoing Trump's "there is rampant election fraud in the US" is too far down the rabbit hole to reason with.
I must admit, I enjoy @Sandpit's regular updates on Ukraine and the unplanned fires in Russian.
But his perspective on the US, which I have more independent knowledgeable on that Ukraine, makes me mistrust the reliability of his output elsewhere.
Trump is a truly awful human being and almost as bad a President. And that's putting things moderately.
Betting on Ukraine to win is a mugs game (worse than betting on PAK Womens cricket) despite a few wins here and there IMO!
I’m not betting, just massively cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines.
Whilst you support Trump
For the 100th time no I don’t support him. I just don’t think he’s Hitler, and try to correct some of the more deranged things said about him.
If you need to correct something 100 times, perhaps consider that you are not portraying yourself that way.
It’s not my fault that most of this board has severe TDS.
Alright let’s tackle this head on.
What is an example where you think Trump is right and this board wrong? Just one will do.
Ooh, so where to start.
That there is rampant election fraud in the US
That conflicted foreigners should be deported immedaitely
That illegal immigrants should be deported
That hundreds of billions of dollars a year are lost to fraud
That NATO has been supported purely by the US for decades, and that European nations need to step up
That most of those convicted for the 6th Jan protest were innocent bystanders
That Iran must be stopped from acquiring a nuclear weapon by any means necessary
That everything bad in the last four decades of the Middle East has Iran’s fingerprints on it.
That Israel has the right to defend itself, and has generally behaved well in response to the Oct 7th attacks.
That Gaza will only behave itself if allowed to prosper economically
That the Democratic Party is becoming infested with communists and antisemites.
But mostly it’s not actually policy positions that people are annoyed by, it’s Trump himself. They either take him far too literally, or they start from the premise that whatever it is must be bad because Trump is doing it or supports it, and work backwards from there.
Right, an afternoon of cricket and F1 beckons.
Thank you for replying. I will read over it and respond later.
I wouldn't bother. Anyone whose starts by echoing Trump's "there is rampant election fraud in the US" is too far down the rabbit hole to reason with.
I must admit, I enjoy @Sandpit's regular updates on Ukraine and the unplanned fires in Russian.
But his perspective on the US, which I have more independent knowledgeable on that Ukraine, makes me mistrust the reliability of his output elsewhere.
Trump is a truly awful human being and almost as bad a President. And that's putting things moderately.
Those defending him are the deranged ones.
I welcome diversity of opinion here and welcome Sandpit’s comments
It was a shame he left after not being pure enough on Ukraine, in spite having a personal investment in the issue, by that moron @JosiasJessop
Betting on Ukraine to win is a mugs game (worse than betting on PAK Womens cricket) despite a few wins here and there IMO!
I’m not betting, just massively cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines.
Whilst you support Trump
For the 100th time no I don’t support him. I just don’t think he’s Hitler, and try to correct some of the more deranged things said about him.
If you need to correct something 100 times, perhaps consider that you are not portraying yourself that way.
It’s not my fault that most of this board has severe TDS.
Alright let’s tackle this head on.
What is an example where you think Trump is right and this board wrong? Just one will do.
Ooh, so where to start.
That there is rampant election fraud in the US
That conflicted foreigners should be deported immedaitely
That illegal immigrants should be deported
That hundreds of billions of dollars a year are lost to fraud
That NATO has been supported purely by the US for decades, and that European nations need to step up
That most of those convicted for the 6th Jan protest were innocent bystanders
That Iran must be stopped from acquiring a nuclear weapon by any means necessary
That everything bad in the last four decades of the Middle East has Iran’s fingerprints on it.
That Israel has the right to defend itself, and has generally behaved well in response to the Oct 7th attacks.
That Gaza will only behave itself if allowed to prosper economically
That the Democratic Party is becoming infested with communists and antisemites.
But mostly it’s not actually policy positions that people are annoyed by, it’s Trump himself. They either take him far too literally, or they start from the premise that whatever it is must be bad because Trump is doing it or supports it, and work backwards from there.
Right, an afternoon of cricket and F1 beckons.
Thank you for replying. I will read over it and respond later.
I wouldn't bother. Anyone whose starts by echoing Trump's "there is rampant election fraud in the US" is too far down the rabbit hole to reason with.
I must admit, I enjoy @Sandpit's regular updates on Ukraine and the unplanned fires in Russian.
But his perspective on the US, which I have more independent knowledgeable on that Ukraine, makes me mistrust the reliability of his output elsewhere.
Trump is a truly awful human being and almost as bad a President. And that's putting things moderately.
Those defending him are the deranged ones.
I welcome diversity of opinion here and welcome Sandpit’s comments
It was a shame he left after not being pure enough on Ukraine, in spite having a personal investment in the issue, by that moron @JosiasJessop
i thought he left because he was embarrassed about orange and vance lambasting zelensky
I think England will win by at least a couple of goals tonight, I can see their performance level go up for this one
Scotland still in the world cup for another 11 hours (at most). Touch and go now whether Croatia get through, a draw would suit them. South Korea in a lot of bother, I have a feeling this Austria-Algeria draw scenario may play out ...
Betting on Ukraine to win is a mugs game (worse than betting on PAK Womens cricket) despite a few wins here and there IMO!
I’m not betting, just massively cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines.
Whilst you support Trump
For the 100th time no I don’t support him. I just don’t think he’s Hitler, and try to correct some of the more deranged things said about him.
If you need to correct something 100 times, perhaps consider that you are not portraying yourself that way.
It’s not my fault that most of this board has severe TDS.
Alright let’s tackle this head on.
What is an example where you think Trump is right and this board wrong? Just one will do.
Ooh, so where to start.
That there is rampant election fraud in the US
That conflicted foreigners should be deported immedaitely
That illegal immigrants should be deported
That hundreds of billions of dollars a year are lost to fraud
That NATO has been supported purely by the US for decades, and that European nations need to step up
That most of those convicted for the 6th Jan protest were innocent bystanders
That Iran must be stopped from acquiring a nuclear weapon by any means necessary
That everything bad in the last four decades of the Middle East has Iran’s fingerprints on it.
That Israel has the right to defend itself, and has generally behaved well in response to the Oct 7th attacks.
That Gaza will only behave itself if allowed to prosper economically
That the Democratic Party is becoming infested with communists and antisemites.
But mostly it’s not actually policy positions that people are annoyed by, it’s Trump himself. They either take him far too literally, or they start from the premise that whatever it is must be bad because Trump is doing it or supports it, and work backwards from there.
Right, an afternoon of cricket and F1 beckons.
Thank you for replying. I will read over it and respond later.
I wouldn't bother. Anyone whose starts by echoing Trump's "there is rampant election fraud in the US" is too far down the rabbit hole to reason with.
I must admit, I enjoy @Sandpit's regular updates on Ukraine and the unplanned fires in Russian.
But his perspective on the US, which I have more independent knowledgeable on that Ukraine, makes me mistrust the reliability of his output elsewhere.
Trump is a truly awful human being and almost as bad a President. And that's putting things moderately.
Those defending him are the deranged ones.
I welcome diversity of opinion here and welcome Sandpit’s comments
It was a shame he left after not being pure enough on Ukraine, in spite having a personal investment in the issue, by that moron @JosiasJessop
I agree I welcome diversity of opinion, but you can't call other people deranged (as per the above "most of the board has severe TSD" comment) and not expect criticism of your own views.
Sadiq Khan's attempt to stop London residents from installing air conditioning is probably the closest thing for a thousand years to King Cnut trying to hold back the waves (even if the latter isn't historically accurate, lol).
According to Khan's plan launched 2 days ago there is no bar on AC when more than passive measures are needed. It also recommends AC for Hospitals and Care settings etc.
"The Well-Adapted UK report from the Climate Change Committee (the independent advisory group to government) sets clear, costed targets for reducing heat-health impacts. Passive methods for cooling (e.g., external shading) will minimise energy demand and increase resilience; but air conditioning will also be needed for vulnerable settings such as health and care. To reach safe and comfortable temperatures across other settings, there may be cases where air conditioning is needed in combination with passive measures."
No other hot country "debates" the merits of air conditioning, they just get on with it.
Other countries do also emphasise passive measures, notably trees and shading. Paris, Singapore, Chicago for example all require passive measures such as tree planting in order to provide shade, as well as a more pleasant ambience.
In any case AC is not banned by Khan, indeed he wants it in high risk places such as hospitals and care homes.
Also by far the most cost-effective measure you can make.
But we can all see where this is going - a contrived culture war where people pretend the world is black and white. Where encouraging cycling becomes “the war on cars”, where insulating homes properly is some sort of green conspiracy against energy consumption, and where planting street trees is all about “banning AC”.
Under the London Plan, air conditioning is strongly discouraged for new developments, which gives councils a reason to refuse planning permission for those that include it. Therefore developers do not include it and there is an effective ban.
This is the same as dredging, which isn't banned but tied up with so much red tape it no longer happens, and building new reservoirs, which has been de facto banned for decades. The reason behind all these things is the same. Rivers where the silt is not managed flood when there's a lot of rain. Water systems with no storage run out of water quickly when there's a sustained dry period. Buildings with no air conditioning make life uncomfortable when the weather is unusually hot. The whole thing is designed to pitch people into crisis after crisis that will soften them up to give ever more of their freedom and their money to making it stop.
The last part of course is to gaslight the public by saying these things are not banned and that objecting to the not bans is engaging in a 'culture war'. So you can basically sweat in your house and like it, or be labelled a Faragist deplorable.
Betting on Ukraine to win is a mugs game (worse than betting on PAK Womens cricket) despite a few wins here and there IMO!
I’m not betting, just massively cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines.
Whilst you support Trump
For the 100th time no I don’t support him. I just don’t think he’s Hitler, and try to correct some of the more deranged things said about him.
If you need to correct something 100 times, perhaps consider that you are not portraying yourself that way.
It’s not my fault that most of this board has severe TDS.
Alright let’s tackle this head on.
What is an example where you think Trump is right and this board wrong? Just one will do.
Ooh, so where to start.
That there is rampant election fraud in the US
That conflicted foreigners should be deported immedaitely
That illegal immigrants should be deported
That hundreds of billions of dollars a year are lost to fraud
That NATO has been supported purely by the US for decades, and that European nations need to step up
That most of those convicted for the 6th Jan protest were innocent bystanders
That Iran must be stopped from acquiring a nuclear weapon by any means necessary
That everything bad in the last four decades of the Middle East has Iran’s fingerprints on it.
That Israel has the right to defend itself, and has generally behaved well in response to the Oct 7th attacks.
That Gaza will only behave itself if allowed to prosper economically
That the Democratic Party is becoming infested with communists and antisemites.
But mostly it’s not actually policy positions that people are annoyed by, it’s Trump himself. They either take him far too literally, or they start from the premise that whatever it is must be bad because Trump is doing it or supports it, and work backwards from there.
Right, an afternoon of cricket and F1 beckons.
Thank you for replying. I will read over it and respond later.
I wouldn't bother. Anyone whose starts by echoing Trump's "there is rampant election fraud in the US" is too far down the rabbit hole to reason with.
I must admit, I enjoy @Sandpit's regular updates on Ukraine and the unplanned fires in Russian.
But his perspective on the US, which I have more independent knowledgeable on that Ukraine, makes me mistrust the reliability of his output elsewhere.
Trump is a truly awful human being and almost as bad a President. And that's putting things moderately.
Those defending him are the deranged ones.
I welcome diversity of opinion here and welcome Sandpit’s comments
It was a shame he left after not being pure enough on Ukraine, in spite having a personal investment in the issue, by that moron @JosiasJessop
I agree I welcome diversity of opinion, but you can't call other people deranged (as per the above "most of the board has severe TSD" comment) and not expect criticism of your own views.
Challenging views is fine. Demanding they’re ignored, as some have, isn’t.
And TDS is a thing and I personally think Trump is a twat.
Sadiq Khan's attempt to stop London residents from installing air conditioning is probably the closest thing for a thousand years to King Cnut trying to hold back the waves (even if the latter isn't historically accurate, lol).
According to Khan's plan launched 2 days ago there is no bar on AC when more than passive measures are needed. It also recommends AC for Hospitals and Care settings etc.
"The Well-Adapted UK report from the Climate Change Committee (the independent advisory group to government) sets clear, costed targets for reducing heat-health impacts. Passive methods for cooling (e.g., external shading) will minimise energy demand and increase resilience; but air conditioning will also be needed for vulnerable settings such as health and care. To reach safe and comfortable temperatures across other settings, there may be cases where air conditioning is needed in combination with passive measures."
No other hot country "debates" the merits of air conditioning, they just get on with it.
Other countries do also emphasise passive measures, notably trees and shading. Paris, Singapore, Chicago for example all require passive measures such as tree planting in order to provide shade, as well as a more pleasant ambience.
In any case AC is not banned by Khan, indeed he wants it in high risk places such as hospitals and care homes.
Also by far the most cost-effective measure you can make.
But we can all see where this is going - a contrived culture war where people pretend the world is black and white. Where encouraging cycling becomes “the war on cars”, where insulating homes properly is some sort of green conspiracy against energy consumption, and where planting street trees is all about “banning AC”.
Under the London Plan, air conditioning is strongly discouraged for new developments, which gives councils a reason to refuse planning permission for those that include it. Therefore developers do not include it and there is an effective ban.
This is the same as dredging, which isn't banned but tied up with so much red tape it no longer happens, and building new reservoirs, which has been de facto banned for decades. The reason behind all these things is the same. Rivers where the silt is not managed flood when there's a lot of rain. Water systems with no storage run out of water quickly when there's a sustained dry period. Buildings with no air conditioning make life uncomfortable when the weather is unusually hot. The whole thing is designed to pitch people into crisis after crisis that will soften them up to give ever more of their freedom and their money to making it stop.
The last part of course is to gaslight the public by saying these things are not banned and that objecting to the not bans is engaging in a 'culture war'. So you can basically sweat in your house and like it, or be labelled a Faragist deplorable.
And yet air conditioning is permitted development - so I’m not 100% what you are saying is accurate as of March 2025
Betting on Ukraine to win is a mugs game (worse than betting on PAK Womens cricket) despite a few wins here and there IMO!
I’m not betting, just massively cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines.
Whilst you support Trump
For the 100th time no I don’t support him. I just don’t think he’s Hitler, and try to correct some of the more deranged things said about him.
If you need to correct something 100 times, perhaps consider that you are not portraying yourself that way.
It’s not my fault that most of this board has severe TDS.
Alright let’s tackle this head on.
What is an example where you think Trump is right and this board wrong? Just one will do.
Ooh, so where to start.
That there is rampant election fraud in the US
That conflicted foreigners should be deported immedaitely
That illegal immigrants should be deported
That hundreds of billions of dollars a year are lost to fraud
That NATO has been supported purely by the US for decades, and that European nations need to step up
That most of those convicted for the 6th Jan protest were innocent bystanders
That Iran must be stopped from acquiring a nuclear weapon by any means necessary
That everything bad in the last four decades of the Middle East has Iran’s fingerprints on it.
That Israel has the right to defend itself, and has generally behaved well in response to the Oct 7th attacks.
That Gaza will only behave itself if allowed to prosper economically
That the Democratic Party is becoming infested with communists and antisemites.
But mostly it’s not actually policy positions that people are annoyed by, it’s Trump himself. They either take him far too literally, or they start from the premise that whatever it is must be bad because Trump is doing it or supports it, and work backwards from there.
Right, an afternoon of cricket and F1 beckons.
Thank you for replying. I will read over it and respond later.
I wouldn't bother. Anyone whose starts by echoing Trump's "there is rampant election fraud in the US" is too far down the rabbit hole to reason with.
I must admit, I enjoy @Sandpit's regular updates on Ukraine and the unplanned fires in Russian.
But his perspective on the US, which I have more independent knowledgeable on that Ukraine, makes me mistrust the reliability of his output elsewhere.
Trump is a truly awful human being and almost as bad a President. And that's putting things moderately.
Those defending him are the deranged ones.
I welcome diversity of opinion here and welcome Sandpit’s comments
It was a shame he left after not being pure enough on Ukraine, in spite having a personal investment in the issue, by that moron @JosiasJessop
i thought he left because he was embarrassed about orange and vance lambasting zelensky
Betting on Ukraine to win is a mugs game (worse than betting on PAK Womens cricket) despite a few wins here and there IMO!
I’m not betting, just massively cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines.
Whilst you support Trump
For the 100th time no I don’t support him. I just don’t think he’s Hitler, and try to correct some of the more deranged things said about him.
If you need to correct something 100 times, perhaps consider that you are not portraying yourself that way.
It’s not my fault that most of this board has severe TDS.
Alright let’s tackle this head on.
What is an example where you think Trump is right and this board wrong? Just one will do.
Ooh, so where to start.
That there is rampant election fraud in the US
That conflicted foreigners should be deported immedaitely
That illegal immigrants should be deported
That hundreds of billions of dollars a year are lost to fraud
That NATO has been supported purely by the US for decades, and that European nations need to step up
That most of those convicted for the 6th Jan protest were innocent bystanders
That Iran must be stopped from acquiring a nuclear weapon by any means necessary
That everything bad in the last four decades of the Middle East has Iran’s fingerprints on it.
That Israel has the right to defend itself, and has generally behaved well in response to the Oct 7th attacks.
That Gaza will only behave itself if allowed to prosper economically
That the Democratic Party is becoming infested with communists and antisemites.
But mostly it’s not actually policy positions that people are annoyed by, it’s Trump himself. They either take him far too literally, or they start from the premise that whatever it is must be bad because Trump is doing it or supports it, and work backwards from there.
Right, an afternoon of cricket and F1 beckons.
Thank you for replying. I will read over it and respond later.
I wouldn't bother. Anyone whose starts by echoing Trump's "there is rampant election fraud in the US" is too far down the rabbit hole to reason with.
I must admit, I enjoy @Sandpit's regular updates on Ukraine and the unplanned fires in Russian.
But his perspective on the US, which I have more independent knowledgeable on that Ukraine, makes me mistrust the reliability of his output elsewhere.
Trump is a truly awful human being and almost as bad a President. And that's putting things moderately.
Those defending him are the deranged ones.
I welcome diversity of opinion here and welcome Sandpit’s comments
It was a shame he left after not being pure enough on Ukraine, in spite having a personal investment in the issue, by that moron @JosiasJessop
i thought he left because he was embarrassed about orange and vance lambasting zelensky
You thought.
lol
look at you, launching those zingers left, right and centre. bravo sir
Betting on Ukraine to win is a mugs game (worse than betting on PAK Womens cricket) despite a few wins here and there IMO!
I’m not betting, just massively cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines.
Whilst you support Trump
For the 100th time no I don’t support him. I just don’t think he’s Hitler, and try to correct some of the more deranged things said about him.
If you need to correct something 100 times, perhaps consider that you are not portraying yourself that way.
It’s not my fault that most of this board has severe TDS.
Alright let’s tackle this head on.
What is an example where you think Trump is right and this board wrong? Just one will do.
Ooh, so where to start.
That there is rampant election fraud in the US
That conflicted foreigners should be deported immedaitely
That illegal immigrants should be deported
That hundreds of billions of dollars a year are lost to fraud
That NATO has been supported purely by the US for decades, and that European nations need to step up
That most of those convicted for the 6th Jan protest were innocent bystanders
That Iran must be stopped from acquiring a nuclear weapon by any means necessary
That everything bad in the last four decades of the Middle East has Iran’s fingerprints on it.
That Israel has the right to defend itself, and has generally behaved well in response to the Oct 7th attacks.
That Gaza will only behave itself if allowed to prosper economically
That the Democratic Party is becoming infested with communists and antisemites.
But mostly it’s not actually policy positions that people are annoyed by, it’s Trump himself. They either take him far too literally, or they start from the premise that whatever it is must be bad because Trump is doing it or supports it, and work backwards from there.
Right, an afternoon of cricket and F1 beckons.
Thank you for replying. I will read over it and respond later.
I wouldn't bother. Anyone whose starts by echoing Trump's "there is rampant election fraud in the US" is too far down the rabbit hole to reason with.
I must admit, I enjoy @Sandpit's regular updates on Ukraine and the unplanned fires in Russian.
But his perspective on the US, which I have more independent knowledgeable on that Ukraine, makes me mistrust the reliability of his output elsewhere.
Trump is a truly awful human being and almost as bad a President. And that's putting things moderately.
Those defending him are the deranged ones.
I welcome diversity of opinion here and welcome Sandpit’s comments
It was a shame he left after not being pure enough on Ukraine, in spite having a personal investment in the issue, by that moron @JosiasJessop
i thought he left because he was embarrassed about orange and vance lambasting zelensky
You thought.
lol
look at you, launching those zingers left, right and centre. bravo sir
Betting on Ukraine to win is a mugs game (worse than betting on PAK Womens cricket) despite a few wins here and there IMO!
I’m not betting, just massively cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines.
Whilst you support Trump
For the 100th time no I don’t support him. I just don’t think he’s Hitler, and try to correct some of the more deranged things said about him.
If you need to correct something 100 times, perhaps consider that you are not portraying yourself that way.
It’s not my fault that most of this board has severe TDS.
Alright let’s tackle this head on.
What is an example where you think Trump is right and this board wrong? Just one will do.
Ooh, so where to start.
That there is rampant election fraud in the US
That conflicted foreigners should be deported immedaitely
That illegal immigrants should be deported
That hundreds of billions of dollars a year are lost to fraud
That NATO has been supported purely by the US for decades, and that European nations need to step up
That most of those convicted for the 6th Jan protest were innocent bystanders
That Iran must be stopped from acquiring a nuclear weapon by any means necessary
That everything bad in the last four decades of the Middle East has Iran’s fingerprints on it.
That Israel has the right to defend itself, and has generally behaved well in response to the Oct 7th attacks.
That Gaza will only behave itself if allowed to prosper economically
That the Democratic Party is becoming infested with communists and antisemites.
But mostly it’s not actually policy positions that people are annoyed by, it’s Trump himself. They either take him far too literally, or they start from the premise that whatever it is must be bad because Trump is doing it or supports it, and work backwards from there.
Right, an afternoon of cricket and F1 beckons.
Thank you for replying. I will read over it and respond later.
I wouldn't bother. Anyone whose starts by echoing Trump's "there is rampant election fraud in the US" is too far down the rabbit hole to reason with.
Sadiq Khan's attempt to stop London residents from installing air conditioning is probably the closest thing for a thousand years to King Cnut trying to hold back the waves (even if the latter isn't historically accurate, lol).
According to Khan's plan launched 2 days ago there is no bar on AC when more than passive measures are needed. It also recommends AC for Hospitals and Care settings etc.
"The Well-Adapted UK report from the Climate Change Committee (the independent advisory group to government) sets clear, costed targets for reducing heat-health impacts. Passive methods for cooling (e.g., external shading) will minimise energy demand and increase resilience; but air conditioning will also be needed for vulnerable settings such as health and care. To reach safe and comfortable temperatures across other settings, there may be cases where air conditioning is needed in combination with passive measures."
No other hot country "debates" the merits of air conditioning, they just get on with it.
Other countries do also emphasise passive measures, notably trees and shading. Paris, Singapore, Chicago for example all require passive measures such as tree planting in order to provide shade, as well as a more pleasant ambience.
In any case AC is not banned by Khan, indeed he wants it in high risk places such as hospitals and care homes.
Also by far the most cost-effective measure you can make.
But we can all see where this is going - a contrived culture war where people pretend the world is black and white. Where encouraging cycling becomes “the war on cars”, where insulating homes properly is some sort of green conspiracy against energy consumption, and where planting street trees is all about “banning AC”.
Under the London Plan, air conditioning is strongly discouraged for new developments, which gives councils a reason to refuse planning permission for those that include it. Therefore developers do not include it and there is an effective ban.
This is the same as dredging, which isn't banned but tied up with so much red tape it no longer happens, and building new reservoirs, which has been de facto banned for decades. The reason behind all these things is the same. Rivers where the silt is not managed flood when there's a lot of rain. Water systems with no storage run out of water quickly when there's a sustained dry period. Buildings with no air conditioning make life uncomfortable when the weather is unusually hot. The whole thing is designed to pitch people into crisis after crisis that will soften them up to give ever more of their freedom and their money to making it stop.
The last part of course is to gaslight the public by saying these things are not banned and that objecting to the not bans is engaging in a 'culture war'. So you can basically sweat in your house and like it, or be labelled a Faragist deplorable.
And yet air conditioning is permitted development - so I’m not 100% what you are saying is accurate as of March 2025
Betting on Ukraine to win is a mugs game (worse than betting on PAK Womens cricket) despite a few wins here and there IMO!
I’m not betting, just massively cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines.
Whilst you support Trump
For the 100th time no I don’t support him. I just don’t think he’s Hitler, and try to correct some of the more deranged things said about him.
If you need to correct something 100 times, perhaps consider that you are not portraying yourself that way.
It’s not my fault that most of this board has severe TDS.
Alright let’s tackle this head on.
What is an example where you think Trump is right and this board wrong? Just one will do.
Ooh, so where to start.
That there is rampant election fraud in the US
That conflicted foreigners should be deported immedaitely
That illegal immigrants should be deported
That hundreds of billions of dollars a year are lost to fraud
That NATO has been supported purely by the US for decades, and that European nations need to step up
That most of those convicted for the 6th Jan protest were innocent bystanders
That Iran must be stopped from acquiring a nuclear weapon by any means necessary
That everything bad in the last four decades of the Middle East has Iran’s fingerprints on it.
That Israel has the right to defend itself, and has generally behaved well in response to the Oct 7th attacks.
That Gaza will only behave itself if allowed to prosper economically
That the Democratic Party is becoming infested with communists and antisemites.
But mostly it’s not actually policy positions that people are annoyed by, it’s Trump himself. They either take him far too literally, or they start from the premise that whatever it is must be bad because Trump is doing it or supports it, and work backwards from there.
Right, an afternoon of cricket and F1 beckons.
Thank you for replying. I will read over it and respond later.
I wouldn't bother. Anyone whose starts by echoing Trump's "there is rampant election fraud in the US" is too far down the rabbit hole to reason with.
I must admit, I enjoy @Sandpit's regular updates on Ukraine and the unplanned fires in Russian.
But his perspective on the US, which I have more independent knowledgeable on that Ukraine, makes me mistrust the reliability of his output elsewhere.
Trump is a truly awful human being and almost as bad a President. And that's putting things moderately.
Those defending him are the deranged ones.
I welcome diversity of opinion here and welcome Sandpit’s comments
It was a shame he left after not being pure enough on Ukraine, in spite having a personal investment in the issue, by that moron @JosiasJessop
I agree I welcome diversity of opinion, but you can't call other people deranged (as per the above "most of the board has severe TSD" comment) and not expect criticism of your own views.
Challenging views is fine. Demanding they’re ignored, as some have, isn’t.
And TDS is a thing and I personally think Trump is a twat.
Betting on Ukraine to win is a mugs game (worse than betting on PAK Womens cricket) despite a few wins here and there IMO!
I’m not betting, just massively cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines.
Whilst you support Trump
For the 100th time no I don’t support him. I just don’t think he’s Hitler, and try to correct some of the more deranged things said about him.
If you need to correct something 100 times, perhaps consider that you are not portraying yourself that way.
It’s not my fault that most of this board has severe TDS.
Alright let’s tackle this head on.
What is an example where you think Trump is right and this board wrong? Just one will do.
Ooh, so where to start.
That there is rampant election fraud in the US
That conflicted foreigners should be deported immedaitely
That illegal immigrants should be deported
That hundreds of billions of dollars a year are lost to fraud
That NATO has been supported purely by the US for decades, and that European nations need to step up
That most of those convicted for the 6th Jan protest were innocent bystanders
That Iran must be stopped from acquiring a nuclear weapon by any means necessary
That everything bad in the last four decades of the Middle East has Iran’s fingerprints on it.
That Israel has the right to defend itself, and has generally behaved well in response to the Oct 7th attacks.
That Gaza will only behave itself if allowed to prosper economically
That the Democratic Party is becoming infested with communists and antisemites.
But mostly it’s not actually policy positions that people are annoyed by, it’s Trump himself. They either take him far too literally, or they start from the premise that whatever it is must be bad because Trump is doing it or supports it, and work backwards from there.
Right, an afternoon of cricket and F1 beckons.
Thank you for replying. I will read over it and respond later.
I wouldn't bother. Anyone whose starts by echoing Trump's "there is rampant election fraud in the US" is too far down the rabbit hole to reason with.
I must admit, I enjoy @Sandpit's regular updates on Ukraine and the unplanned fires in Russian.
But his perspective on the US, which I have more independent knowledgeable on that Ukraine, makes me mistrust the reliability of his output elsewhere.
Trump is a truly awful human being and almost as bad a President. And that's putting things moderately.
Those defending him are the deranged ones.
I welcome diversity of opinion here and welcome Sandpit’s comments
It was a shame he left after not being pure enough on Ukraine, in spite having a personal investment in the issue, by that moron @JosiasJessop
i thought he left because he was embarrassed about orange and vance lambasting zelensky
@Sandpit hasn't left surely? I disagree with him on most left-right politics things but I'd miss his Ukraine posts a lot!
Which idiot decided that the best time to broadcast the last round of England’s group was 10pm when two sides are European, Ghana has the meridian running through it and Panama are Central America. They could have played them at 8BST and they would have been perfect for three of the teams’ viewers at home and a nice post lunch Saturday afternoon match in Panama.
Which idiot decided that the best time to broadcast the last round of England’s group was 10pm when two sides are European, Ghana has the meridian running through it and Panama are Central America. They could have played them at 8BST and they would have been perfect for three of the teams’ viewers at home and a nice post lunch Saturday afternoon match in Panama.
Continued That Iran must be stopped from acquiring a nuclear weapon by any means necessary - He doesn't think that. He's just given them loadsa cash that they will use to build one.
That everything bad in the last four decades of the Middle East has Iran’s fingerprints on it - does anyone apart from that muppet Roger dispute this?
That Israel has the right to defend itself, and has generally behaved well in response to the Oct 7th attacks - I think we can safely draw a distinction between 'its initial response' (which was foolish, as it was what Hamas wanted, but understandable) and the more recent operations aimed solely at extending the loathsome Netanyahu's political career.
That Gaza will only behave itself if allowed to prosper economically - this is an illogical contradiction of your previous point, given the reason they can't is Israel's strangling of them (assisted by Egypt under US pressure).
That the Democratic Party is becoming infested with communists and antisemites - There are some, just as there are out and Nazis and indeed antisemites in the Republicans (Miller, Vance, Hegseth). That is kind of the nature of the beast of American politics. The Democrats cannot realistically be said to be 'infested' with such people.
But mostly it’s not actually policy positions that people are annoyed by, it’s Trump himself. They either take him far too literally, or they start from the premise that whatever it is must be bad because Trump is doing it or supports it, and work backwards from there - well, it frequently is. As when he orders pardons for the rioters of 6th Jan because of bribes they paid him. Or demanding the arrest of somebody who dared to inspect the damage caused by a restoration carried out to a Washington landmark carried out illegally on Trump's orders and claiming he was the cause of the damage. Or his claims about vote rigging (epic projection) or about his increasingly obvious medical treatment.
Right, an afternoon of cricket and F1 beckons - well, enjoy, but I don't think you're convincing anyone with this.
I think you may have fallen into the trap of taking Sandpit too literally. Therefore it is all your fault.
We must take what people say seriously and it is our fault for ignoring it, except when we shouldn't take what they say seriously for some reason.
And if we don't get it, it just confirms how ridiculously out of touch we are. It's a cult. Run by......
I always thought that Leon, in whatever guise, rarely expected to be taken seriously. Except when he was talking about his travels.
is Leon under the ban hammer or just flouncing ?
Little of both - he clearly wanted to get banned and provoked it, as is his wont from time to time.
Has Leon been in the Gazette recently? Normally his pieces are posted here but I may have missed them.
He published an article recently (can't say which ones without outing him).
He's not bad as a writer, and I quite like his photographs of bleak American decay (but not his photographs of bartops and drinks, which are boring). I enjoy reading his articles. But his outbursts against [forbidden topic] and his tendency to escalate to personal abuse can be off-putting. It would be good if he came back in a more restrained manner, but then it wouldn't really be him, would it?
Which would be ironic, considering.
This place is always better without, than with. We should be grateful to the mods for gifting us these long periods of respite.
Betting on Ukraine to win is a mugs game (worse than betting on PAK Womens cricket) despite a few wins here and there IMO!
I’m not betting, just massively cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines.
Whilst you support Trump
For the 100th time no I don’t support him. I just don’t think he’s Hitler, and try to correct some of the more deranged things said about him.
If you need to correct something 100 times, perhaps consider that you are not portraying yourself that way.
It’s not my fault that most of this board has severe TDS.
Alright let’s tackle this head on.
What is an example where you think Trump is right and this board wrong? Just one will do.
Ooh, so where to start.
That there is rampant election fraud in the US
That conflicted foreigners should be deported immedaitely
That illegal immigrants should be deported
That hundreds of billions of dollars a year are lost to fraud
That NATO has been supported purely by the US for decades, and that European nations need to step up
That most of those convicted for the 6th Jan protest were innocent bystanders
That Iran must be stopped from acquiring a nuclear weapon by any means necessary
That everything bad in the last four decades of the Middle East has Iran’s fingerprints on it.
That Israel has the right to defend itself, and has generally behaved well in response to the Oct 7th attacks.
That Gaza will only behave itself if allowed to prosper economically
That the Democratic Party is becoming infested with communists and antisemites.
But mostly it’s not actually policy positions that people are annoyed by, it’s Trump himself. They either take him far too literally, or they start from the premise that whatever it is must be bad because Trump is doing it or supports it, and work backwards from there.
Right, an afternoon of cricket and F1 beckons.
Thank you for replying. I will read over it and respond later.
I wouldn't bother. Anyone whose starts by echoing Trump's "there is rampant election fraud in the US" is too far down the rabbit hole to reason with.
I must admit, I enjoy @Sandpit's regular updates on Ukraine and the unplanned fires in Russian.
But his perspective on the US, which I have more independent knowledgeable on that Ukraine, makes me mistrust the reliability of his output elsewhere.
Trump is a truly awful human being and almost as bad a President. And that's putting things moderately.
Those defending him are the deranged ones.
I welcome diversity of opinion here and welcome Sandpit’s comments
It was a shame he left after not being pure enough on Ukraine, in spite having a personal investment in the issue, by that moron @JosiasJessop
i thought he left because he was embarrassed about orange and vance lambasting zelensky
@Sandpit hasn't left surely? I disagree with him on most left-right politics things but I'd miss his Ukraine posts a lot!
No, was over 12 months ago. Fortunately he came back.
Peter Baker @peterbakernyt · 47m The average life expectancy of a new Russian recruit—from arrival at a training ground to death in a combat zone—lies somewhere between 10 days and three weeks. Once sent onto the battlefield, they survive an average of 20 to 35 minutes. @peterfrankopan
"Arvin Larn is terrified. On the battlefields of the far future, only an insane man wouldn't be. Seventeen years old and still new to the Imperial Guard, he is thrust straight into his first war and must face horrors that his sheltered upbringing could never prepare him for. The trenches of the 41st millennium are filled with worse things than rats and trenchrot. For one, the world they fight for is being contested by the monstrous barbarian orks. The orks live for battle and know no fear, so it's no wonder that the average life-span of an Imperial Guardsman on this forsaken world is only fifteen hours."
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As for electoral fraud, https://youtu.be/ccUaY9rcx5U sums up that debate nicely. That was when Trump walked out of an interview recently when the interviewer pointed out that he’d never presented evidence of his claims of electoral fraud.
That it's "rampant" is an evidence free assertion, and Trump's assertion that is cost him the 2020 election is a flat out lie.
Thats one example of Sandpit (IMO) sanitising Trump's nonsense.
To me it just reinforces the post-truth nature of the Internet. One can go looking for, and find, really quite convincing evidence for whatever you want to believe.
This isn't to say Sandpit is wrong about all of this stuff. The paragraph above could equally apply to one of his political opponents on here, of which there are many.
But that shouldn't create a false equivalence. Trump is more wrong than his opponents are and, by extension, Sandpit is more wrong than those he argues against.
Mostly not because of the individual items in his list. More because democracy is fragile and Trump, whether he has a point about some of his grievances or not, is weakening it more than his opponents are.
I simply don't think it possible to achieve that pole if he had.
He's not bad as a writer, and I quite like his photographs of bleak American decay (but not his photographs of bartops and drinks, which are boring). I enjoy reading his articles. But his outbursts against [forbidden topic] and his tendency to escalate to personal abuse can be off-putting. It would be good if he came back in a more restrained manner, but then it wouldn't really be him, would it?
Which would be ironic, considering.
Yer nicked
Perhaps it's designed to provoke, or to be devil's advocate, but it still looks like insanity. Or as we also call it, Trump Derangement Syndrome.
Which is doubly frustrating given as you say he's a valuable poster on many other topics.
'Milly Alcock' is btw a slightly unfortunate name for an actress.
That said, it was a damn good lap from him, and he's had a shitty run of luck this season, so I guess swings and roundabouts ?
Sandpit is a pretty good poster as you say.
I just assume he's taking the piss when he accuses "most of PB" of TDS.
If he's serious, then that's just ... SAD.
The corruption of the 5th fastest Car being denied upgrades while the fastest get 2 and the second and third fastest get 1.
Its shiteF1
But his approach to politics is no more hypocritical than the rest of us, even if the content of his beliefs has more potential to do harm.
I think what I'm really trying to say is, Sandpit isn't the problem, human nature+social media is.
"The Well-Adapted UK report from the Climate Change Committee (the independent advisory group to government) sets clear, costed targets for reducing heat-health impacts. Passive methods for cooling (e.g., external shading) will minimise energy demand and increase resilience; but air conditioning will also be needed for vulnerable settings such as health and care. To reach safe and comfortable temperatures across other settings,
there may be cases where air conditioning is needed in combination with passive measures."
https://www.london.gov.uk/programmes-strategies/environment-and-climate-change/climate-change/climate-adaptation/heat-risk/heat-ready-london
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@peterbakernyt
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The average life expectancy of a new Russian recruit—from arrival at a training ground to death in a combat zone—lies somewhere between 10 days and three weeks. Once sent onto the battlefield, they survive an average of 20 to 35 minutes.
@peterfrankopan
https://x.com/peterbakernyt/status/2070886224932299194
No other hot country "debates" the merits of air conditioning, they just get on with it.
In any case AC is not banned by Khan, indeed he wants it in high risk places such as hospitals and care homes.
But we can all see where this is going - a contrived culture war where people pretend the world is black and white. Where encouraging cycling becomes “the war on cars”, where insulating homes properly is some sort of green conspiracy against energy consumption, and where planting street trees is all about “banning AC”.
In the past, homes in this area rarely had air conditioning, even for bedrooms, since you might want it for just a week or two each summer. About half have it now.
(The cities listed are in order from north to south, with two exceptions: Forks is on the northwest coast and Hanford is in eastern Washington state.)
Not bad given some people think Mahmood is to the right of Reform
https://x.com/willforster/status/2070795349145309342?s=61
Verstappen crashed at the second to last corner and Antonelli, coming up behind him, saw the crash and the resulting yellow flags, presumed they were double yellows given the seriousness of the crash, and aborted his lap.
Russell was a further back and didn't see the crash so he only had the yellow flags to go on. He correctly saw they were single yellows and backed off a bit in the corner, as required by the rules. He says he lifted for about 100m, being 0.5s up on pole going in to the corner an only 0.25s coming out. The stewards clearly agreed this was enough and he keeps the lap.
Antolelli has admitted he made a mistake with the flags, and interestingly also that he probably couldn't have matched Russell's pole time even without Verstappen's crash.
So the only real controversy here is the FIA race director throwing single yellows for a crash that many think should have been double yellow or a red flag. But the quality of race direction in F1 has been a sore spot for some time.
Are you saying everything Sandpit lists there is incorrect ?
I honestly think the fragile flowers here would be far happier if this was a group where everyone had similar opinions and the disagreements were minor.
Like the twats below who meet for a meal on The Guardians ‘dining across the divide’. Sadly they’ll never meet Mohammed Emwazi.
Some who’s left wing, someone who’s a little more left wing
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2026/jun/21/dining-across-the-divide-anna-jj
Watching “Two Way Stretch” on Talking Pictures TV.
My cringeometer usually breaks on the first call at which point I reach for the off button.
On the review aggregation website Rotten Tomatoes, 57% of 261 critics' reviews are positive, with an average rating of 5.60/10.
But his perspective on the US, which I have more independent knowledgeable on that Ukraine, makes me mistrust the reliability of his output elsewhere.
Trump is a truly awful human being and almost as bad a President. And that's putting things moderately.
Those defending him are the deranged ones.
It was a shame he left after not being pure enough on Ukraine, in spite having a personal investment in the issue, by that moron @JosiasJessop
Scotland still in the world cup for another 11 hours (at most). Touch and go now whether Croatia get through, a draw would suit them. South Korea in a lot of bother, I have a feeling this Austria-Algeria draw scenario may play out ...
This is the same as dredging, which isn't banned but tied up with so much red tape it no longer happens, and building new reservoirs, which has been de facto banned for decades. The reason behind all these things is the same. Rivers where the silt is not managed flood when there's a lot of rain. Water systems with no storage run out of water quickly when there's a sustained dry period. Buildings with no air conditioning make life uncomfortable when the weather is unusually hot. The whole thing is designed to pitch people into crisis after crisis that will soften them up to give ever more of their freedom and their money to making it stop.
The last part of course is to gaslight the public by saying these things are not banned and that objecting to the not bans is engaging in a 'culture war'. So you can basically sweat in your house and like it, or be labelled a Faragist deplorable.
And TDS is a thing and I personally think Trump is a twat.
lol
Denying that DJT is a complete tw*t?
Come on, England!
Peruvian election comedy.
Keiko has won. Very narrowly. Her opponent is declaring fraud.
Peruvian election comedy.
Keiko has won. Very narrowly. Her opponent is declaring fraud.
https://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/fifteen-hours-ebook.html
"Arvin Larn is terrified. On the battlefields of the far future, only an insane man wouldn't be. Seventeen years old and still new to the Imperial Guard, he is thrust straight into his first war and must face horrors that his sheltered upbringing could never prepare him for. The trenches of the 41st millennium are filled with worse things than rats and trenchrot. For one, the world they fight for is being contested by the monstrous barbarian orks. The orks live for battle and know no fear, so it's no wonder that the average life-span of an Imperial Guardsman on this forsaken world is only fifteen hours."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PrT4p8SMAU