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  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,183

    ydoethur said:

    Continued
    That Iran must be stopped from acquiring a nuclear weapon by any means necessary - He doesn't think that. He's just given them loadsa cash that they will use to build one.

    That everything bad in the last four decades of the Middle East has Iran’s fingerprints on it - does anyone apart from that muppet Roger dispute this?

    That Israel has the right to defend itself, and has generally behaved well in response to the Oct 7th attacks - I think we can safely draw a distinction between 'its initial response' (which was foolish, as it was what Hamas wanted, but understandable) and the more recent operations aimed solely at extending the loathsome Netanyahu's political career.

    That Gaza will only behave itself if allowed to prosper economically - this is an illogical contradiction of your previous point, given the reason they can't is Israel's strangling of them (assisted by Egypt under US pressure).

    That the Democratic Party is becoming infested with communists and antisemites - There are some, just as there are out and Nazis and indeed antisemites in the Republicans (Miller, Vance, Hegseth). That is kind of the nature of the beast of American politics. The Democrats cannot realistically be said to be 'infested' with such people.

    But mostly it’s not actually policy positions that people are annoyed by, it’s Trump himself. They either take him far too literally, or they start from the premise that whatever it is must be bad because Trump is doing it or supports it, and work backwards from there - well, it frequently is. As when he orders pardons for the rioters of 6th Jan because of bribes they paid him. Or demanding the arrest of somebody who dared to inspect the damage caused by a restoration carried out to a Washington landmark carried out illegally on Trump's orders and claiming he was the cause of the damage. Or his claims about vote rigging (epic projection) or about his increasingly obvious medical treatment.

    Right, an afternoon of cricket and F1 beckons - well, enjoy, but I don't think you're convincing anyone with this.

    I think you may have fallen into the trap of taking Sandpit too literally. Therefore it is all your fault.
    We must take what people say seriously and it is our fault for ignoring it, except when we shouldn't take what they say seriously for some reason.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,183
    If England could just eke things out to with 30 runs of New Zealand that would be a fair reflection of things, and pretty funny too.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,913
    kle4 said:

    If England could just eke things out to with 30 runs of New Zealand that would be a fair reflection of things, and pretty funny too.

    If we can get 400 we will be well in contention. I can't see that happening though 😡
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,183

    kle4 said:

    If England could just eke things out to with 30 runs of New Zealand that would be a fair reflection of things, and pretty funny too.

    If we can get 400 we will be well in contention. I can't see that happening though 😡
    If they just swung and hoped they'd probably get another 30-40, if their eye is in, but if they try to go for 1-2 an over for 30 overs they will be our after 20 runs.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 28,202
    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Continued
    That Iran must be stopped from acquiring a nuclear weapon by any means necessary - He doesn't think that. He's just given them loadsa cash that they will use to build one.

    That everything bad in the last four decades of the Middle East has Iran’s fingerprints on it - does anyone apart from that muppet Roger dispute this?

    That Israel has the right to defend itself, and has generally behaved well in response to the Oct 7th attacks - I think we can safely draw a distinction between 'its initial response' (which was foolish, as it was what Hamas wanted, but understandable) and the more recent operations aimed solely at extending the loathsome Netanyahu's political career.

    That Gaza will only behave itself if allowed to prosper economically - this is an illogical contradiction of your previous point, given the reason they can't is Israel's strangling of them (assisted by Egypt under US pressure).

    That the Democratic Party is becoming infested with communists and antisemites - There are some, just as there are out and Nazis and indeed antisemites in the Republicans (Miller, Vance, Hegseth). That is kind of the nature of the beast of American politics. The Democrats cannot realistically be said to be 'infested' with such people.

    But mostly it’s not actually policy positions that people are annoyed by, it’s Trump himself. They either take him far too literally, or they start from the premise that whatever it is must be bad because Trump is doing it or supports it, and work backwards from there - well, it frequently is. As when he orders pardons for the rioters of 6th Jan because of bribes they paid him. Or demanding the arrest of somebody who dared to inspect the damage caused by a restoration carried out to a Washington landmark carried out illegally on Trump's orders and claiming he was the cause of the damage. Or his claims about vote rigging (epic projection) or about his increasingly obvious medical treatment.

    Right, an afternoon of cricket and F1 beckons - well, enjoy, but I don't think you're convincing anyone with this.

    I think you may have fallen into the trap of taking Sandpit too literally. Therefore it is all your fault.
    We must take what people say seriously and it is our fault for ignoring it, except when we shouldn't take what they say seriously for some reason.
    And if we don't get it, it just confirms how ridiculously out of touch we are. It's a cult. Run by......
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 37,540

    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Continued
    That Iran must be stopped from acquiring a nuclear weapon by any means necessary - He doesn't think that. He's just given them loadsa cash that they will use to build one.

    That everything bad in the last four decades of the Middle East has Iran’s fingerprints on it - does anyone apart from that muppet Roger dispute this?

    That Israel has the right to defend itself, and has generally behaved well in response to the Oct 7th attacks - I think we can safely draw a distinction between 'its initial response' (which was foolish, as it was what Hamas wanted, but understandable) and the more recent operations aimed solely at extending the loathsome Netanyahu's political career.

    That Gaza will only behave itself if allowed to prosper economically - this is an illogical contradiction of your previous point, given the reason they can't is Israel's strangling of them (assisted by Egypt under US pressure).

    That the Democratic Party is becoming infested with communists and antisemites - There are some, just as there are out and Nazis and indeed antisemites in the Republicans (Miller, Vance, Hegseth). That is kind of the nature of the beast of American politics. The Democrats cannot realistically be said to be 'infested' with such people.

    But mostly it’s not actually policy positions that people are annoyed by, it’s Trump himself. They either take him far too literally, or they start from the premise that whatever it is must be bad because Trump is doing it or supports it, and work backwards from there - well, it frequently is. As when he orders pardons for the rioters of 6th Jan because of bribes they paid him. Or demanding the arrest of somebody who dared to inspect the damage caused by a restoration carried out to a Washington landmark carried out illegally on Trump's orders and claiming he was the cause of the damage. Or his claims about vote rigging (epic projection) or about his increasingly obvious medical treatment.

    Right, an afternoon of cricket and F1 beckons - well, enjoy, but I don't think you're convincing anyone with this.

    I think you may have fallen into the trap of taking Sandpit too literally. Therefore it is all your fault.
    We must take what people say seriously and it is our fault for ignoring it, except when we shouldn't take what they say seriously for some reason.
    And if we don't get it, it just confirms how ridiculously out of touch we are. It's a cult. Run by......
    I always thought that Leon, in whatever guise, rarely expected to be taken seriously. Except when he was talking about his travels.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,470
    ydoethur said:

    Kemi has gained a fan

    https://x.com/afneil/status/2070726177623290092

    ANDREW NEIL: Reform is waning — at least for now — but Kemi Badenoch has never looked in finer fettle

    Very useful in this hot weather.
    Not if it is just hot air.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,183
    I do think football adopting the American Football approach of having the ref explain their call to the stadium is a good one, so there are some things the world cup has done right (some of the rule changes too, in theory, but they're already inconsistent in applying them).
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 26,341

    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Continued
    That Iran must be stopped from acquiring a nuclear weapon by any means necessary - He doesn't think that. He's just given them loadsa cash that they will use to build one.

    That everything bad in the last four decades of the Middle East has Iran’s fingerprints on it - does anyone apart from that muppet Roger dispute this?

    That Israel has the right to defend itself, and has generally behaved well in response to the Oct 7th attacks - I think we can safely draw a distinction between 'its initial response' (which was foolish, as it was what Hamas wanted, but understandable) and the more recent operations aimed solely at extending the loathsome Netanyahu's political career.

    That Gaza will only behave itself if allowed to prosper economically - this is an illogical contradiction of your previous point, given the reason they can't is Israel's strangling of them (assisted by Egypt under US pressure).

    That the Democratic Party is becoming infested with communists and antisemites - There are some, just as there are out and Nazis and indeed antisemites in the Republicans (Miller, Vance, Hegseth). That is kind of the nature of the beast of American politics. The Democrats cannot realistically be said to be 'infested' with such people.

    But mostly it’s not actually policy positions that people are annoyed by, it’s Trump himself. They either take him far too literally, or they start from the premise that whatever it is must be bad because Trump is doing it or supports it, and work backwards from there - well, it frequently is. As when he orders pardons for the rioters of 6th Jan because of bribes they paid him. Or demanding the arrest of somebody who dared to inspect the damage caused by a restoration carried out to a Washington landmark carried out illegally on Trump's orders and claiming he was the cause of the damage. Or his claims about vote rigging (epic projection) or about his increasingly obvious medical treatment.

    Right, an afternoon of cricket and F1 beckons - well, enjoy, but I don't think you're convincing anyone with this.

    I think you may have fallen into the trap of taking Sandpit too literally. Therefore it is all your fault.
    We must take what people say seriously and it is our fault for ignoring it, except when we shouldn't take what they say seriously for some reason.
    And if we don't get it, it just confirms how ridiculously out of touch we are. It's a cult. Run by......
    I always thought that Leon, in whatever guise, rarely expected to be taken seriously. Except when he was talking about his travels.
    is Leon under the ban hammer or just flouncing ?
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,913
    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    If England could just eke things out to with 30 runs of New Zealand that would be a fair reflection of things, and pretty funny too.

    If we can get 400 we will be well in contention. I can't see that happening though 😡
    If they just swung and hoped they'd probably get another 30-40, if their eye is in, but if they try to go for 1-2 an over for 30 overs they will be our after 20 runs.
    As soon as the scoring slows down, that's when the wickets happen.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,183

    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Continued
    That Iran must be stopped from acquiring a nuclear weapon by any means necessary - He doesn't think that. He's just given them loadsa cash that they will use to build one.

    That everything bad in the last four decades of the Middle East has Iran’s fingerprints on it - does anyone apart from that muppet Roger dispute this?

    That Israel has the right to defend itself, and has generally behaved well in response to the Oct 7th attacks - I think we can safely draw a distinction between 'its initial response' (which was foolish, as it was what Hamas wanted, but understandable) and the more recent operations aimed solely at extending the loathsome Netanyahu's political career.

    That Gaza will only behave itself if allowed to prosper economically - this is an illogical contradiction of your previous point, given the reason they can't is Israel's strangling of them (assisted by Egypt under US pressure).

    That the Democratic Party is becoming infested with communists and antisemites - There are some, just as there are out and Nazis and indeed antisemites in the Republicans (Miller, Vance, Hegseth). That is kind of the nature of the beast of American politics. The Democrats cannot realistically be said to be 'infested' with such people.

    But mostly it’s not actually policy positions that people are annoyed by, it’s Trump himself. They either take him far too literally, or they start from the premise that whatever it is must be bad because Trump is doing it or supports it, and work backwards from there - well, it frequently is. As when he orders pardons for the rioters of 6th Jan because of bribes they paid him. Or demanding the arrest of somebody who dared to inspect the damage caused by a restoration carried out to a Washington landmark carried out illegally on Trump's orders and claiming he was the cause of the damage. Or his claims about vote rigging (epic projection) or about his increasingly obvious medical treatment.

    Right, an afternoon of cricket and F1 beckons - well, enjoy, but I don't think you're convincing anyone with this.

    I think you may have fallen into the trap of taking Sandpit too literally. Therefore it is all your fault.
    We must take what people say seriously and it is our fault for ignoring it, except when we shouldn't take what they say seriously for some reason.
    And if we don't get it, it just confirms how ridiculously out of touch we are. It's a cult. Run by......
    I always thought that Leon, in whatever guise, rarely expected to be taken seriously. Except when he was talking about his travels.
    is Leon under the ban hammer or just flouncing ?
    Little of both - he clearly wanted to get banned and provoked it, as is his wont from time to time.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,780
    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Continued
    That Iran must be stopped from acquiring a nuclear weapon by any means necessary - He doesn't think that. He's just given them loadsa cash that they will use to build one.

    That everything bad in the last four decades of the Middle East has Iran’s fingerprints on it - does anyone apart from that muppet Roger dispute this?

    That Israel has the right to defend itself, and has generally behaved well in response to the Oct 7th attacks - I think we can safely draw a distinction between 'its initial response' (which was foolish, as it was what Hamas wanted, but understandable) and the more recent operations aimed solely at extending the loathsome Netanyahu's political career.

    That Gaza will only behave itself if allowed to prosper economically - this is an illogical contradiction of your previous point, given the reason they can't is Israel's strangling of them (assisted by Egypt under US pressure).

    That the Democratic Party is becoming infested with communists and antisemites - There are some, just as there are out and Nazis and indeed antisemites in the Republicans (Miller, Vance, Hegseth). That is kind of the nature of the beast of American politics. The Democrats cannot realistically be said to be 'infested' with such people.

    But mostly it’s not actually policy positions that people are annoyed by, it’s Trump himself. They either take him far too literally, or they start from the premise that whatever it is must be bad because Trump is doing it or supports it, and work backwards from there - well, it frequently is. As when he orders pardons for the rioters of 6th Jan because of bribes they paid him. Or demanding the arrest of somebody who dared to inspect the damage caused by a restoration carried out to a Washington landmark carried out illegally on Trump's orders and claiming he was the cause of the damage. Or his claims about vote rigging (epic projection) or about his increasingly obvious medical treatment.

    Right, an afternoon of cricket and F1 beckons - well, enjoy, but I don't think you're convincing anyone with this.

    I think you may have fallen into the trap of taking Sandpit too literally. Therefore it is all your fault.
    We must take what people say seriously and it is our fault for ignoring it, except when we shouldn't take what they say seriously for some reason.
    And if we don't get it, it just confirms how ridiculously out of touch we are. It's a cult. Run by......
    I always thought that Leon, in whatever guise, rarely expected to be taken seriously. Except when he was talking about his travels.
    is Leon under the ban hammer or just flouncing ?
    Little of both - he clearly wanted to get banned and provoked it, as is his wont from time to time.
    Has Leon been in the Gazette recently? Normally his pieces are posted here but I may have missed them.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 37,540

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    If England could just eke things out to with 30 runs of New Zealand that would be a fair reflection of things, and pretty funny too.

    If we can get 400 we will be well in contention. I can't see that happening though 😡
    If they just swung and hoped they'd probably get another 30-40, if their eye is in, but if they try to go for 1-2 an over for 30 overs they will be our after 20 runs.
    As soon as the scoring slows down, that's when the wickets happen.
    And they have; when the game is resumed after tea the Kiwis will, effectively, be batting at 84-0.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 28,202
    kle4 said:

    I do think football adopting the American Football approach of having the ref explain their call to the stadium is a good one, so there are some things the world cup has done right (some of the rule changes too, in theory, but they're already inconsistent in applying them).

    Pundits talk a lot about reffing consistency and a lot about refs applying common sense. The reality is in football you can't fully do both of those - and either on their own are worse than refs being a bit inconsistent and sometimes not applying common sense.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,305
    edited 2:58PM
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    It’s starting to happen.

    Russian troops on front lines in Zaphorizhzhia and Kherson regions are running out of fuel for generators that power drones and communications.

    https://x.com/malcontentmentt/status/2070589984953016633

    Slowly, then all at once…

    Betting on Ukraine to win is a mugs game (worse than betting on PAK Womens cricket) despite a few wins here and there IMO!
    I’m not betting, just massively cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines.
    Whilst you support Trump
    For the 100th time no I don’t support him. I just don’t think he’s Hitler, and try to correct some of the more deranged things said about him.
    If you need to correct something 100 times, perhaps consider that you are not portraying yourself that way.
    It’s not my fault that most of this board has severe TDS.
    Alright let’s tackle this head on.

    What is an example where you think Trump is right and this board wrong? Just one will do.
    Ooh, so where to start.

    That there is rampant election fraud in the US

    That conflicted foreigners should be deported immedaitely

    That illegal immigrants should be deported

    That hundreds of billions of dollars a year are lost to fraud

    That NATO has been supported purely by the US for decades, and that European nations need to step up

    That most of those convicted for the 6th Jan protest were innocent bystanders

    That Iran must be stopped from acquiring a nuclear weapon by any means necessary

    That everything bad in the last four decades of the Middle East has Iran’s fingerprints on it.

    That Israel has the right to defend itself, and has generally behaved well in response to the Oct 7th attacks.

    That Gaza will only behave itself if allowed to prosper economically

    That the Democratic Party is becoming infested with communists and antisemites.

    But mostly it’s not actually policy positions that people are annoyed by, it’s Trump himself. They either take him far too literally, or they start from the premise that whatever it is must be bad because Trump is doing it or supports it, and work backwards from there.

    Right, an afternoon of cricket and F1 beckons.
    Where to start? What about, “That everything bad in the last four decades of the Middle East has Iran’s fingerprints on it.” The last four decades of course includes Islamic State, a fundamentalist Sunni group who persecuted Shi’a Muslims and was opposed by Shi’a Iran. IS does not have Iran’s “fingerprints” on it. Before that, and still in the last four decades, we had Saddam Hussein in Iraq, another foe of Iran. Does Saddam’s invasion of Kuwait and attempts to get WMDs have Iran’s “fingerprints”?

    As for electoral fraud, https://youtu.be/ccUaY9rcx5U sums up that debate nicely. That was when Trump walked out of an interview recently when the interviewer pointed out that he’d never presented evidence of his claims of electoral fraud.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,166
    Thank you Max Verstappen.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,272
    lol Verstappen.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,272

    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Continued
    That Iran must be stopped from acquiring a nuclear weapon by any means necessary - He doesn't think that. He's just given them loadsa cash that they will use to build one.

    That everything bad in the last four decades of the Middle East has Iran’s fingerprints on it - does anyone apart from that muppet Roger dispute this?

    That Israel has the right to defend itself, and has generally behaved well in response to the Oct 7th attacks - I think we can safely draw a distinction between 'its initial response' (which was foolish, as it was what Hamas wanted, but understandable) and the more recent operations aimed solely at extending the loathsome Netanyahu's political career.

    That Gaza will only behave itself if allowed to prosper economically - this is an illogical contradiction of your previous point, given the reason they can't is Israel's strangling of them (assisted by Egypt under US pressure).

    That the Democratic Party is becoming infested with communists and antisemites - There are some, just as there are out and Nazis and indeed antisemites in the Republicans (Miller, Vance, Hegseth). That is kind of the nature of the beast of American politics. The Democrats cannot realistically be said to be 'infested' with such people.

    But mostly it’s not actually policy positions that people are annoyed by, it’s Trump himself. They either take him far too literally, or they start from the premise that whatever it is must be bad because Trump is doing it or supports it, and work backwards from there - well, it frequently is. As when he orders pardons for the rioters of 6th Jan because of bribes they paid him. Or demanding the arrest of somebody who dared to inspect the damage caused by a restoration carried out to a Washington landmark carried out illegally on Trump's orders and claiming he was the cause of the damage. Or his claims about vote rigging (epic projection) or about his increasingly obvious medical treatment.

    Right, an afternoon of cricket and F1 beckons - well, enjoy, but I don't think you're convincing anyone with this.

    I think you may have fallen into the trap of taking Sandpit too literally. Therefore it is all your fault.
    We must take what people say seriously and it is our fault for ignoring it, except when we shouldn't take what they say seriously for some reason.
    And if we don't get it, it just confirms how ridiculously out of touch we are. It's a cult. Run by......
    I always thought that Leon, in whatever guise, rarely expected to be taken seriously. Except when he was talking about his travels.
    is Leon under the ban hammer or just flouncing ?
    Yes.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,947

    Thank you Max Verstappen.

    Certainly sets the grid up better for the race.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 23,190

    Roger said:

    Kemi has gained a fan

    https://x.com/afneil/status/2070726177623290092

    ANDREW NEIL: Reform is waning — at least for now — but Kemi Badenoch has never looked in finer fettle

    Time for the old codger to break out his winching vest?

    https://x.com/andrewpmunro/status/1783144151049027990?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    Obviously not listening to Any Questions today. One of least encouraging from a Badenoch point of view that I've heard
    Why would anyone voluntarily listen to an unfunny version of "Down the Line"?
    I find it the closest thing to a reliable focus group that there is.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,272
    Russell likely to attract a penalty for yellow flag infringement, I think ?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,166
    Nigelb said:

    Russell likely to attract a penalty for yellow flag infringement, I think ?

    Yes.
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