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  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,052
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    -nana

  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 731
    edited 4:03PM
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    Jackpot?
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,540

    Laughable that anyone thinks that a new PM would appoint the most disliked person in politics into any role. (Only Starmer would be crazy enough to do that - see Mandelson.) He is utterly unsuited to anything in politics. Into NATO, are you losing your mind.

    Let him retire, quietly, only to be seen in November placing a wreath. In a couple of decades he may have recovered a few percentage points as memories fade.

    Strange that not one European Leader agrees with your utterly jaundiced view.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,469
    edited 4:06PM
    Top temp now 36C at RHS Wisley.

    At least with Charlwood and Wisley we don't have to put up with the nothing-to-see-here urban heat island / aircraft exhaust trolls.

    Imagine the apoplexy if we still had the ultra-urban Camden Square station in the Met portfolio!

    Record will be beaten again tomorrow or Friday.

    Meanwhile Paris just recorded 40.9C, its hottest ever June day. France has so far high 44C, short of the 2019 record of 46.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,219
    Selebian said:

    Selebian said:

    Nigelb said:

    Chancellor and Foreign Sec is a little beyond even his talents.

    Give FS to Carns, with the sole brief of shaking Trump extremely firmly by the hand until he surrenders.

    He can multitask, just like I can.
    The cabinet* should lead on Britain's productivity crisis by taking on multiple roles. With AI assistance. What could go wrong?

    *Might be able to slim it down enough to make it a drawer!
    I tested this plan by asking Copilot, "What should the UK Government's response be to the constitutional crisis around delayed elections in Gagauzia?" It recommended:

    The UK should treat Gagauzia’s crisis as a rule‑of‑law and security issue in Moldova’s neighbourhood: back Chişinău’s constitutional framework, push hard (but quietly) for rapid, credible elections under national law, and work with EU/US/OSCE to deter spoilers—especially those linked to Russian influence—while visibly engaging Gagauz society so this doesn’t look like “London vs Gagauzia” but “London for free elections in Gagauzia”.

    I think that's probably a better answer than 87% of MPs could come up with unaided. It then offered to sketch a short ministerial statement that looked good. I hereby approve Selebian's plan.
    Of course, if the models ever get trained on US high level foreign policy discussions from recent years, the the answer to any question will, I guess, be bomb Iran!
    God help us.

    Intelligence Chair Rick Crawford: "If you think about the way President Trump is treating this, it's not unlike the way MacArthur engaged with Japan post-World War 2."
    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2069755660183437529

    They are ignoramuses.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,540

    viewcode said:

    Brixian59 said:

    AnneJGP said:

    I'd think SKS would want to withdraw for a while to lick his wounds and recover. It isn't as though he willingly made way for a successor. Expecting him to turn up at Cabinet like a former owner become a guest seems a bit of a stretch.

    I did note that Burnham could keep Cooper at the Foreign Office for a bit then Starmer takes over, so it doesn't have to be immediate.
    Starmer is far more likely to end up at NATO in my opinion
    Dear God, no, he'd be awful. He should never be in an important job that involves people's lives. He's a lawyer. Let him go back to that. He can charge a lot of money for doing things that are checked by others, constrained by the law, overseen by a judge, and assessed by a jury. That way he will cause minimum damage.
    Someone who underfunded defence by 14 billion on his own review ends up in NATO

    Not going to happen

    Macron might in a few years
    Get your facts right.

    He has delivered record increase in Defence funding AFTER FOURTEEN YEARS OF TORY DESTRUCTION

    The fact the Country cannot afford what the Armed Forces want is not down to Starmer or
    Reeves it's down to TORY MISMANAGEMENT

    When will one of you Tories ever accept responsibility for anything

  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,463

    Laughable that anyone thinks that a new PM would appoint the most disliked person in politics into any role. (Only Starmer would be crazy enough to do that - see Mandelson.) He is utterly unsuited to anything in politics. Into NATO, are you losing your mind.

    Let him retire, quietly, only to be seen in November placing a wreath. In a couple of decades he may have recovered a few percentage points as memories fade.

    It's inevitable some hope Starmer may still play a role, but like Boris, when you have become so unpopular time for reflection and likely leave politics behind in due course

    I do not expect Starmer or Sunak to stand in 2029

    Far too much money available outside politics
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,020
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    Black sheep.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,823
    My guess Starmer will simply retire. He's 63 years old and has led two very senior jobs.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,772
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    Of club.

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,540
    FF43 said:

    My guess Starmer will simply retire. He's 63 years old and has led two very senior jobs.

    I don't think he'll continue as an MP until 2029. He'll step down within 12 months probably.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 48,094
    Zohranism going from strength to strength.
    MAGA going even more mental.



    https://x.com/dlondonwortel/status/2069738047827018238?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,038
    rcs1000 said:

    kinabalu said:

    DavidL said:

    I can see Starmer coming back into government to be FS at some point but I agree with @Barnesian that he's just going to be too hurt to do that right now. Plus he will have a biography to write.

    My guess is that a Burnham government, events allowing, will be much more domestically focused than Starmer proved to be. I can see him leaving the position alone.

    I too expect Burnham to be less focused on 'abroad' than Starmer was.

    My most fervent hope is that he gets it right with the US president. By which I mean he makes no effort with him whatsoever. Ignores him to the greatest extent possible. If he calls, ok take it, but pretty much nothing else. No response (positive or negative) to tweets or media comments. No squirmy fake 'chemistry'. No outgoing calls. No trip to Washington. No PM/Prez meetings at all other than what can't be avoided at summits. No entreaties on trade. No attempts to pander or to 'manage' on foreign or defence matters. Just put that 100% monstrosity of an individual in the fridge and close the door.

    I'll be judging our new Labour PM on this more than anything. If he does it as above I'll be impressed and delighted. If he doesn't, if it's the same old same old, I'll be sad and disappointed.
    It is worth noting that Burnham considers London to be abroad.
    Yes, big part of the brand. Let's see if he can maintain that. I couldn't. Came down to London when I was 18 and went all poncey almost straightaway. Started wearing velvet jackets and holding my cigarette like a philosopher.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,540
    edited 4:13PM
    MelonB said:

    Top temp now 36C at RHS Wisley.

    At least with Charlwood and Wisley we don't have to put up with the nothing-to-see-here urban heat island / aircraft exhaust trolls.

    Imagine the apoplexy if we still had the ultra-urban Camden Square station in the Met portfolio!

    Record will be beaten again tomorrow or Friday.

    Meanwhile Paris just recorded 40.9C, its hottest ever June day. France has so far high 44C, short of the 2019 record of 46.

    It's been a tiny bit higher than it was in June 1957. Nothing to see here.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,131
    Just measured 37 degrees Celsius in my garden just now!
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,644
    Brixian59 said:

    viewcode said:

    Brixian59 said:

    AnneJGP said:

    I'd think SKS would want to withdraw for a while to lick his wounds and recover. It isn't as though he willingly made way for a successor. Expecting him to turn up at Cabinet like a former owner become a guest seems a bit of a stretch.

    I did note that Burnham could keep Cooper at the Foreign Office for a bit then Starmer takes over, so it doesn't have to be immediate.
    Starmer is far more likely to end up at NATO in my opinion
    Dear God, no, he'd be awful. He should never be in an important job that involves people's lives. He's a lawyer. Let him go back to that. He can charge a lot of money for doing things that are checked by others, constrained by the law, overseen by a judge, and assessed by a jury. That way he will cause minimum damage.
    Someone who underfunded defence by 14 billion on his own review ends up in NATO

    Not going to happen

    Macron might in a few years
    Get your facts right.

    He has delivered record increase in Defence funding AFTER FOURTEEN YEARS OF TORY DESTRUCTION

    The fact the Country cannot afford what the Armed Forces want is not down to Starmer or
    Reeves it's down to TORY MISMANAGEMENT

    When will one of you Tories ever accept responsibility for anything

    Well I am not a Tory and am happy to tell you, you are talking bollocks.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,463
    Brixian59 said:

    viewcode said:

    Brixian59 said:

    AnneJGP said:

    I'd think SKS would want to withdraw for a while to lick his wounds and recover. It isn't as though he willingly made way for a successor. Expecting him to turn up at Cabinet like a former owner become a guest seems a bit of a stretch.

    I did note that Burnham could keep Cooper at the Foreign Office for a bit then Starmer takes over, so it doesn't have to be immediate.
    Starmer is far more likely to end up at NATO in my opinion
    Dear God, no, he'd be awful. He should never be in an important job that involves people's lives. He's a lawyer. Let him go back to that. He can charge a lot of money for doing things that are checked by others, constrained by the law, overseen by a judge, and assessed by a jury. That way he will cause minimum damage.
    Someone who underfunded defence by 14 billion on his own review ends up in NATO

    Not going to happen

    Macron might in a few years
    Get your facts right.

    He has delivered record increase in Defence funding AFTER FOURTEEN YEARS OF TORY DESTRUCTION

    The fact the Country cannot afford what the Armed Forces want is not down to Starmer or
    Reeves it's down to TORY MISMANAGEMENT

    When will one of you Tories ever accept responsibility for anything

    My facts are right

    His 'own' defence review wants 28 billion and he offered 14 billion hence why Healey resigned

    This is Labour's responsibility and the conservatives will fund Starmer's review

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,131

    Omnium said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    Duplicate and in using vf

    Yeah it’s still doing that. Says error but posts anyway, often 404s when refreshing on vf.pb.com.

    Looks like the Vanilla/Cloudflare interface is screwed, perhaps a failed server in the pool that doesn’t show as actually failed.
    I'm thinking about dumping Vanilla, and just going full self hosted.
    I think the site should be hosted in Madagascar, then the Vanilla would be better.
    Yes I scream
    It's rather rum, raisin' that again.
    A flavour you no longer see in supermarkets, along with tutti-frutti.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,540
    "PollCheck
    @poll_checker

    Westminster VI with Andy Burnham hypothetically leading Labour

    Lab: 21% (Starmer) / 27% (Burnham)
    Ref: 28% (Starmer) / 26% (Burnham)

    PollCheck seat projections:
    Starmer: Reform 253, Labour 142
    Burnham: Labour 252, Reform 141

    Via: More in Common"

    https://x.com/poll_checker/status/2069795933290721282
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,131
    FF43 said:

    My guess Starmer will simply retire. He's 63 years old and has led two very senior jobs.

    No, he will only retire "in the national interest".
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,075
    FF43 said:

    My guess Starmer will simply retire. He's 63 years old and has led two very senior jobs.

    With two very senior pensions, index-linked for life.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 9,072
    Very good.


  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,038
    Andy_JS said:

    "PollCheck
    @poll_checker

    Westminster VI with Andy Burnham hypothetically leading Labour

    Lab: 21% (Starmer) / 27% (Burnham)
    Ref: 28% (Starmer) / 26% (Burnham)

    PollCheck seat projections:
    Starmer: Reform 253, Labour 142
    Burnham: Labour 252, Reform 141

    Via: More in Common"

    https://x.com/poll_checker/status/2069795933290721282

    That's very neat on seats. An almost perfect inversion.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,131
    kinabalu said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "PollCheck
    @poll_checker

    Westminster VI with Andy Burnham hypothetically leading Labour

    Lab: 21% (Starmer) / 27% (Burnham)
    Ref: 28% (Starmer) / 26% (Burnham)

    PollCheck seat projections:
    Starmer: Reform 253, Labour 142
    Burnham: Labour 252, Reform 141

    Via: More in Common"

    https://x.com/poll_checker/status/2069795933290721282

    That's very neat on seats. An almost perfect inversion.
    "Don't try to understand it. Feel it."
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,075

    Zohranism going from strength to strength.
    MAGA going even more mental.


    https://x.com/dlondonwortel/status/2069738047827018238?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    Have one of them, Aber Qwas, saying that 9/11 was on America.

    She’s standing for election in New York.

    https://x.com/greg_price11/status/2069615344956612991
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,764
    Andy_JS said:

    "PollCheck
    @poll_checker

    Westminster VI with Andy Burnham hypothetically leading Labour

    Lab: 21% (Starmer) / 27% (Burnham)
    Ref: 28% (Starmer) / 26% (Burnham)

    PollCheck seat projections:
    Starmer: Reform 253, Labour 142
    Burnham: Labour 252, Reform 141

    Via: More in Common"

    https://x.com/poll_checker/status/2069795933290721282

    That's more like it.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,823
    Andy_JS said:

    FF43 said:

    My guess Starmer will simply retire. He's 63 years old and has led two very senior jobs.

    I don't think he'll continue as an MP until 2029. He'll step down within 12 months probably.
    Possible. Presumably he will get a place in the House of Lords at that point. So two good pensions plus MP salary or HoL attendance fees. I could see him chairing a commission or two in topics that interest him so he isn't bored. An agreeable retirement, it seems
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,764
    dixiedean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "PollCheck
    @poll_checker

    Westminster VI with Andy Burnham hypothetically leading Labour

    Lab: 21% (Starmer) / 27% (Burnham)
    Ref: 28% (Starmer) / 26% (Burnham)

    PollCheck seat projections:
    Starmer: Reform 253, Labour 142
    Burnham: Labour 252, Reform 141

    Via: More in Common"

    https://x.com/poll_checker/status/2069795933290721282

    That's more like it.
    Don't fully understand why that would lead to the Tories going up one, mind?
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,258
    Pulpstar said:

    https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/heat-mortality-monitoring-report-england-2025/heat-mortality-monitoring-report-england-2025

    Note that they are talking about episodes where the mean temperature hit… 22 and a bit degrees

    And they were noticing deaths in the statistics.

    The conclusion that care homes should have air-con is astonishingly obvious
    Have you been to many care homes?
    Most of them could start by turning the heating down/off.
    I'd be surprised if there's a care home in the country that isn't continually well above 22degrees.
    There may be a few days a year when they need air con to cool them down but most of the time they heat them into the mid to high 20s.
    Windows that open and radiators that aren't too hot to touch without 3rd degree burns are definitely things to look for when choosing a care home.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,038

    kinabalu said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "PollCheck
    @poll_checker

    Westminster VI with Andy Burnham hypothetically leading Labour

    Lab: 21% (Starmer) / 27% (Burnham)
    Ref: 28% (Starmer) / 26% (Burnham)

    PollCheck seat projections:
    Starmer: Reform 253, Labour 142
    Burnham: Labour 252, Reform 141

    Via: More in Common"

    https://x.com/poll_checker/status/2069795933290721282

    That's very neat on seats. An almost perfect inversion.
    "Don't try to understand it. Feel it."
    I think I am too. I know it won't last but so what. Live in the moment. Labour over the moon, Reform sick as a parrot.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,229
    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "PollCheck
    @poll_checker

    Westminster VI with Andy Burnham hypothetically leading Labour

    Lab: 21% (Starmer) / 27% (Burnham)
    Ref: 28% (Starmer) / 26% (Burnham)

    PollCheck seat projections:
    Starmer: Reform 253, Labour 142
    Burnham: Labour 252, Reform 141

    Via: More in Common"

    https://x.com/poll_checker/status/2069795933290721282

    That's more like it.
    Don't fully understand why that would lead to the Tories going up one, mind?
    Some people perceive Burnham as being some kind of hard-leftist so it makes them more inclined to vote Tory.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,991
    Saw a beautiful car on my route today


  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,038
    FF43 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    FF43 said:

    My guess Starmer will simply retire. He's 63 years old and has led two very senior jobs.

    I don't think he'll continue as an MP until 2029. He'll step down within 12 months probably.
    Possible. Presumably he will get a place in the House of Lords at that point. So two good pensions plus MP salary or HoL attendance fees. I could see him chairing a commission or two in topics that interest him so he isn't bored. An agreeable retirement, it seems
    The John Major model isn't a bad one to emulate. Depends on how he feels once the shock has worn off, I suppose.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,201
    Royal Mail have given us a leaflet entitled 'Small changes for more dependable deliveries'. This translates as 'we're only going to deliver 2nd class mail every other day' (which would actually be an improvement here but that's another issue.)

    The consumer benefits of privatisation, eh?

  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,229
    Pulpstar said:

    https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/heat-mortality-monitoring-report-england-2025/heat-mortality-monitoring-report-england-2025

    Note that they are talking about episodes where the mean temperature hit… 22 and a bit degrees

    And they were noticing deaths in the statistics.

    The conclusion that care homes should have air-con is astonishingly obvious
    Everywhere should. The government should offer some kind of incentive for domestic houses to install solar panels + aircon as a package.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,038
    edited 4:46PM

    Saw a beautiful car on my route today


    I wonder what he was doing there. Did you get a peek? Have they gone for Callum Turner?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,463

    Royal Mail have given us a leaflet entitled 'Small changes for more dependable deliveries'. This translates as 'we're only going to deliver 2nd class mail every other day' (which would actually be an improvement here but that's another issue.)

    The consumer benefits of privatisation, eh?

    Hilarious, we have received a similar leaflet entirely in Welsh when of course it should be billingual
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,131

    Royal Mail have given us a leaflet entitled 'Small changes for more dependable deliveries'. This translates as 'we're only going to deliver 2nd class mail every other day' (which would actually be an improvement here but that's another issue.)

    The consumer benefits of privatisation, eh?

    Yeah, got the same thing a couple of days ago.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,134

    Pulpstar said:

    https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/heat-mortality-monitoring-report-england-2025/heat-mortality-monitoring-report-england-2025

    Note that they are talking about episodes where the mean temperature hit… 22 and a bit degrees

    And they were noticing deaths in the statistics.

    The conclusion that care homes should have air-con is astonishingly obvious
    Everywhere should. The government should offer some kind of incentive for domestic houses to install solar panels + aircon as a package.
    That sounds like a woke green package to me
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,625
    kinabalu said:

    FF43 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    FF43 said:

    My guess Starmer will simply retire. He's 63 years old and has led two very senior jobs.

    I don't think he'll continue as an MP until 2029. He'll step down within 12 months probably.
    Possible. Presumably he will get a place in the House of Lords at that point. So two good pensions plus MP salary or HoL attendance fees. I could see him chairing a commission or two in topics that interest him so he isn't bored. An agreeable retirement, it seems
    The John Major model isn't a bad one to emulate. Depends on how he feels once the shock has worn off, I suppose.
    Major wasn't shagging a model, it was Edwina.

    Not sure that is something to emulate.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,125
    edited 4:52PM
    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "PollCheck
    @poll_checker

    Westminster VI with Andy Burnham hypothetically leading Labour

    Lab: 21% (Starmer) / 27% (Burnham)
    Ref: 28% (Starmer) / 26% (Burnham)

    PollCheck seat projections:
    Starmer: Reform 253, Labour 142
    Burnham: Labour 252, Reform 141

    Via: More in Common"

    https://x.com/poll_checker/status/2069795933290721282

    That's more like it.
    Don't fully understand why that would lead to the Tories going up one, mind?
    FPTP at such polling is weird.

    I think the wider theory is that if Reform don't look like winners, they will then lose some of their fair-weather support which is really Tories chasing a winner. So even if Reform still lead the Tories, if the former are not looking like coming top of the polls they will start to bleed back to the latter.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,131
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "PollCheck
    @poll_checker

    Westminster VI with Andy Burnham hypothetically leading Labour

    Lab: 21% (Starmer) / 27% (Burnham)
    Ref: 28% (Starmer) / 26% (Burnham)

    PollCheck seat projections:
    Starmer: Reform 253, Labour 142
    Burnham: Labour 252, Reform 141

    Via: More in Common"

    https://x.com/poll_checker/status/2069795933290721282

    That's very neat on seats. An almost perfect inversion.
    "Don't try to understand it. Feel it."
    I think I am too. I know it won't last but so what. Live in the moment. Labour over the moon, Reform sick as a parrot.
    I think viewcode got the reference

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brcnZAlEo3s
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,658
    edited 4:56PM

    Royal Mail have given us a leaflet entitled 'Small changes for more dependable deliveries'. This translates as 'we're only going to deliver 2nd class mail every other day' (which would actually be an improvement here but that's another issue.)

    The consumer benefits of privatisation, eh?

    Second class works to a Day D standard, whereas first class works to Day B. Hence first class is sorted in the evening on day of posting, then driven through the night to reach you the next day, whereas second class is held over and sorted daytime on Day B, giving the late shift some work to do before the proceeds of that day’s pillar boxes starts to arrive, and is then despatched with the first class of the day after. Therefore most second class arrives for Day C delivery currently, and it can meet its advertised Day D standard by only delivering to your front door every other day.

    In the old days, when there was a lot of first class mail, just delivering second class on alternate days would deliver little efficiency advantage, since the number of delivery points not needing a visit wouldn’t reduce that much (the postie having to visit most front doors with a first class letter). But it’s quite obvious that since privatisation the pricing strategy has been to open a gulf between first and second class postage prices, such that most ordinary post nowadays is second class.

    Indeed, as a betting site PB’ers will appreciate the lack of appeal in a product only 90-95% likely to be delivered the next day, with prices starting from £1.80, when you can pay half and have it delivered probably the day after, or pay a bit more for anything that is genuinely important and have tracking and probably 99% reliability.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,229
    edited 4:54PM

    Pulpstar said:

    https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/heat-mortality-monitoring-report-england-2025/heat-mortality-monitoring-report-england-2025

    Note that they are talking about episodes where the mean temperature hit… 22 and a bit degrees

    And they were noticing deaths in the statistics.

    The conclusion that care homes should have air-con is astonishingly obvious
    Everywhere should. The government should offer some kind of incentive for domestic houses to install solar panels + aircon as a package.
    That sounds like a woke green package to me
    No, the inclusion of AC inoculates it against being woke. It would appeal to aspirational voters and turn off virtue signallers who would moan that they don't qualify for the incentive unless they install AC.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,131

    kinabalu said:

    FF43 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    FF43 said:

    My guess Starmer will simply retire. He's 63 years old and has led two very senior jobs.

    I don't think he'll continue as an MP until 2029. He'll step down within 12 months probably.
    Possible. Presumably he will get a place in the House of Lords at that point. So two good pensions plus MP salary or HoL attendance fees. I could see him chairing a commission or two in topics that interest him so he isn't bored. An agreeable retirement, it seems
    The John Major model isn't a bad one to emulate. Depends on how he feels once the shock has worn off, I suppose.
    Major wasn't shagging a model, it was Edwina.

    Not sure that is something to emulate.
    I thought you rather enjoyed eating Curry!
  • CharlieSharkCharlieShark Posts: 476
    Brixian59 said:

    Laughable that anyone thinks that a new PM would appoint the most disliked person in politics into any role. (Only Starmer would be crazy enough to do that - see Mandelson.) He is utterly unsuited to anything in politics. Into NATO, are you losing your mind.

    Let him retire, quietly, only to be seen in November placing a wreath. In a couple of decades he may have recovered a few percentage points as memories fade.

    Strange that not one European Leader agrees with your utterly jaundiced view.
    Of course they love Mr Keirpitulation. The British public despises him. Rightly so. You are probably relieved that you wont have to embarrass yourself on here every day, trying to come up with ever more desperate ways to support him. At least you have a brief honeymoon period with Burnham to look forward to. Make the most of it.
  • eekeek Posts: 34,205
    kle4 said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "PollCheck
    @poll_checker

    Westminster VI with Andy Burnham hypothetically leading Labour

    Lab: 21% (Starmer) / 27% (Burnham)
    Ref: 28% (Starmer) / 26% (Burnham)

    PollCheck seat projections:
    Starmer: Reform 253, Labour 142
    Burnham: Labour 252, Reform 141

    Via: More in Common"

    https://x.com/poll_checker/status/2069795933290721282

    That's more like it.
    Don't fully understand why that would lead to the Tories going up one, mind?
    FPTP at such polling is weird.

    I think the wider theory is that if Reform don't look like winners, they will then lose some of their fair-weather support which is really Tories chasing a winner. So even if Reform still lead the Tories, if the former are not looking like coming top of the polls they will start to bleed back to the latter.
    I don't think it's Tories chasing a winner it's Never Labour chasing a party able to beat Labour...

    As I've said before Reform is the Racist and None of the Above party with extra Never Labour and Never Tory votes as Reform looks more likely to defeat Labour / Tories than other parties.

    Restore is taking the Racist and None of the above vote. The Never XYZ votes will move back to the opposite Tories / Labour vote as the parties start to regain populate - especially if Reform stops getting so much political coverage.
  • eekeek Posts: 34,205
    kle4 said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "PollCheck
    @poll_checker

    Westminster VI with Andy Burnham hypothetically leading Labour

    Lab: 21% (Starmer) / 27% (Burnham)
    Ref: 28% (Starmer) / 26% (Burnham)

    PollCheck seat projections:
    Starmer: Reform 253, Labour 142
    Burnham: Labour 252, Reform 141

    Via: More in Common"

    https://x.com/poll_checker/status/2069795933290721282

    That's more like it.
    Don't fully understand why that would lead to the Tories going up one, mind?
    FPTP at such polling is weird.

    I think the wider theory is that if Reform don't look like winners, they will then lose some of their fair-weather support which is really Tories chasing a winner. So even if Reform still lead the Tories, if the former are not looking like coming top of the polls they will start to bleed back to the latter.
    I don't think it's Tories chasing a winner it's Never Labour chasing a party able to beat Labour...

    As I've said before Reform is the Racist and None of the Above party with extra Never Labour and Never Tory votes as Reform looks more likely to defeat Labour / Tories than other parties.

    Restore is taking the Racist and None of the above vote. The Never XYZ votes will move back to the opposite Tories / Labour vote as the parties start to regain populate - especially if Reform stops getting so much political coverage.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,052

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "PollCheck
    @poll_checker

    Westminster VI with Andy Burnham hypothetically leading Labour

    Lab: 21% (Starmer) / 27% (Burnham)
    Ref: 28% (Starmer) / 26% (Burnham)

    PollCheck seat projections:
    Starmer: Reform 253, Labour 142
    Burnham: Labour 252, Reform 141

    Via: More in Common"

    https://x.com/poll_checker/status/2069795933290721282

    That's very neat on seats. An almost perfect inversion.
    "Don't try to understand it. Feel it."
    I think I am too. I know it won't last but so what. Live in the moment. Labour over the moon, Reform sick as a parrot.
    I think viewcode got the reference

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brcnZAlEo3s
    (narrator; Viewcode did get the reference)
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,540

    Brixian59 said:

    Laughable that anyone thinks that a new PM would appoint the most disliked person in politics into any role. (Only Starmer would be crazy enough to do that - see Mandelson.) He is utterly unsuited to anything in politics. Into NATO, are you losing your mind.

    Let him retire, quietly, only to be seen in November placing a wreath. In a couple of decades he may have recovered a few percentage points as memories fade.

    Strange that not one European Leader agrees with your utterly jaundiced view.
    Of course they love Mr Keirpitulation. The British public despises him. Rightly so. You are probably relieved that you wont have to embarrass yourself on here every day, trying to come up with ever more desperate ways to support him. At least you have a brief honeymoon period with Burnham to look forward to. Make the most of it.
    Are you that teat plumber from pimlico
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,805
    Interesting header.

    With Sir Keir remaining an MP, I think foreign secretary could be back on. If not now, then in the future.

    Of the four great offices of state it is the most detached from everyday politics.

    And, for all his weaknesses as a leader, Sir Keir’s statecraft is widely recognised.

    I might just take the 16s if still available.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,038

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "PollCheck
    @poll_checker

    Westminster VI with Andy Burnham hypothetically leading Labour

    Lab: 21% (Starmer) / 27% (Burnham)
    Ref: 28% (Starmer) / 26% (Burnham)

    PollCheck seat projections:
    Starmer: Reform 253, Labour 142
    Burnham: Labour 252, Reform 141

    Via: More in Common"

    https://x.com/poll_checker/status/2069795933290721282

    That's very neat on seats. An almost perfect inversion.
    "Don't try to understand it. Feel it."
    I think I am too. I know it won't last but so what. Live in the moment. Labour over the moon, Reform sick as a parrot.
    I think viewcode got the reference

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brcnZAlEo3s
    Ah no, not seen that. But it works for this moment anyway. I'm feeling Andy. Understanding him can wait.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,823
    kinabalu said:

    FF43 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    FF43 said:

    My guess Starmer will simply retire. He's 63 years old and has led two very senior jobs.

    I don't think he'll continue as an MP until 2029. He'll step down within 12 months probably.
    Possible. Presumably he will get a place in the House of Lords at that point. So two good pensions plus MP salary or HoL attendance fees. I could see him chairing a commission or two in topics that interest him so he isn't bored. An agreeable retirement, it seems
    The John Major model isn't a bad one to emulate. Depends on how he feels once the shock has worn off, I suppose.
    Maybe Starmer will start posting on PB.com now he has more time on his hands. The clue will be a new poster with a lot of "Keir was right!" comments ...
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,134

    Pulpstar said:

    https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/heat-mortality-monitoring-report-england-2025/heat-mortality-monitoring-report-england-2025

    Note that they are talking about episodes where the mean temperature hit… 22 and a bit degrees

    And they were noticing deaths in the statistics.

    The conclusion that care homes should have air-con is astonishingly obvious
    Everywhere should. The government should offer some kind of incentive for domestic houses to install solar panels + aircon as a package.
    That sounds like a woke green package to me
    No, the inclusion of AC inoculates it against being woke. It would appeal to aspirational voters and turn off virtue signallers who would moan that they don't qualify for the incentive unless they install AC.
    That’s exactly what a wokey would say
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,540

    Brixian59 said:

    viewcode said:

    Brixian59 said:

    AnneJGP said:

    I'd think SKS would want to withdraw for a while to lick his wounds and recover. It isn't as though he willingly made way for a successor. Expecting him to turn up at Cabinet like a former owner become a guest seems a bit of a stretch.

    I did note that Burnham could keep Cooper at the Foreign Office for a bit then Starmer takes over, so it doesn't have to be immediate.
    Starmer is far more likely to end up at NATO in my opinion
    Dear God, no, he'd be awful. He should never be in an important job that involves people's lives. He's a lawyer. Let him go back to that. He can charge a lot of money for doing things that are checked by others, constrained by the law, overseen by a judge, and assessed by a jury. That way he will cause minimum damage.
    Someone who underfunded defence by 14 billion on his own review ends up in NATO

    Not going to happen

    Macron might in a few years
    Get your facts right.

    He has delivered record increase in Defence funding AFTER FOURTEEN YEARS OF TORY DESTRUCTION

    The fact the Country cannot afford what the Armed Forces want is not down to Starmer or
    Reeves it's down to TORY MISMANAGEMENT

    When will one of you Tories ever accept responsibility for anything

    My facts are right

    His 'own' defence review wants 28 billion and he offered 14 billion hence why Healey resigned

    This is Labour's responsibility and the conservatives will fund Starmer's review

    The Tories won't find Starmer's review they'll never get in to power again.

    14 years holliwing out armed forces
    Funding promised by Tories NEVER EXISTED they spent it 3 x over on other things.

    Little Ms Angry can blurt out unfunded promises no one will believe her.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 48,094
    kinabalu said:

    Saw a beautiful car on my route today


    I wonder what he was doing there. Did you get a peek? Have they gone for Callum Turner?
    Not to go all Dura Ace but that’s a Porsche. There would be mass suicides among the gammonry if JB went Germanic.
    It is a very pretty car.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,540

    Brixian59 said:

    viewcode said:

    Brixian59 said:

    AnneJGP said:

    I'd think SKS would want to withdraw for a while to lick his wounds and recover. It isn't as though he willingly made way for a successor. Expecting him to turn up at Cabinet like a former owner become a guest seems a bit of a stretch.

    I did note that Burnham could keep Cooper at the Foreign Office for a bit then Starmer takes over, so it doesn't have to be immediate.
    Starmer is far more likely to end up at NATO in my opinion
    Dear God, no, he'd be awful. He should never be in an important job that involves people's lives. He's a lawyer. Let him go back to that. He can charge a lot of money for doing things that are checked by others, constrained by the law, overseen by a judge, and assessed by a jury. That way he will cause minimum damage.
    Someone who underfunded defence by 14 billion on his own review ends up in NATO

    Not going to happen

    Macron might in a few years
    Get your facts right.

    He has delivered record increase in Defence funding AFTER FOURTEEN YEARS OF TORY DESTRUCTION

    The fact the Country cannot afford what the Armed Forces want is not down to Starmer or
    Reeves it's down to TORY MISMANAGEMENT

    When will one of you Tories ever accept responsibility for anything

    Well I am not a Tory and am happy to tell you, you are talking bollocks.
    So can you explain how a Government that reduces defence spending from 2.5% to 2%, hollows out capability to lowest levels can escape any blame but the people sorting out the shithousery are at fault as they can only find 14bn and not 28bn

  • CharlieSharkCharlieShark Posts: 476
    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Laughable that anyone thinks that a new PM would appoint the most disliked person in politics into any role. (Only Starmer would be crazy enough to do that - see Mandelson.) He is utterly unsuited to anything in politics. Into NATO, are you losing your mind.

    Let him retire, quietly, only to be seen in November placing a wreath. In a couple of decades he may have recovered a few percentage points as memories fade.

    Strange that not one European Leader agrees with your utterly jaundiced view.
    Of course they love Mr Keirpitulation. The British public despises him. Rightly so. You are probably relieved that you wont have to embarrass yourself on here every day, trying to come up with ever more desperate ways to support him. At least you have a brief honeymoon period with Burnham to look forward to. Make the most of it.
    Are you that teat plumber from pimlico
    You're not paid enough for humiliating yourself like this. He's shit. The country knows it. If he has an ounce of self-awareness (and I'm not sure about that), he would retire quietly and hide away for a while and enjoy some time with his family.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 29,608
    Remember what Pat McFadden said:

    Every meeting I have is 'who can we tax in order to pay benefits to others'.

    Reeves's parting idea:

    22% Charge on interest paid on cash held in non Cash ISAs

    Non Cash ISA portfolios made up of 100% cash-like assets will be non-qualifying investments

    Restrictions on transfers into cash ISAs


    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/fiscal-events-2026-factsheets/isa-reform-2027-anti-circumvention-rules-factsheet
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,991

    kinabalu said:

    Saw a beautiful car on my route today


    I wonder what he was doing there. Did you get a peek? Have they gone for Callum Turner?
    Not to go all Dura Ace but that’s a Porsche. There would be mass suicides among the gammonry if JB went Germanic.
    It is a very pretty car.
    Bravo!

    The 1600 Super; I think it’s from 1957 or 8
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,658
    So the island is claiming a possible record for its hottest ever June day - but not its hottest day ever, as was forewarned. The shaded garden thermometer I have recorded 31C, but then being by the sea with an onshore breeze we get some relief on very hot days. Towards the centre and west of the island I expect they had the worst of it. Mr Dog and I have spent the day in the garden reading a book about UK economic history.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,540

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Laughable that anyone thinks that a new PM would appoint the most disliked person in politics into any role. (Only Starmer would be crazy enough to do that - see Mandelson.) He is utterly unsuited to anything in politics. Into NATO, are you losing your mind.

    Let him retire, quietly, only to be seen in November placing a wreath. In a couple of decades he may have recovered a few percentage points as memories fade.

    Strange that not one European Leader agrees with your utterly jaundiced view.
    Of course they love Mr Keirpitulation. The British public despises him. Rightly so. You are probably relieved that you wont have to embarrass yourself on here every day, trying to come up with ever more desperate ways to support him. At least you have a brief honeymoon period with Burnham to look forward to. Make the most of it.
    Are you that teat plumber from pimlico
    You're not paid enough for humiliating yourself like this. He's shit. The country knows it. If he has an ounce of self-awareness (and I'm not sure about that), he would retire quietly and hide away for a while and enjoy some time with his family.
    FFS.. GB News imbecile
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,229
    edited 5:12PM

    Pulpstar said:

    https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/heat-mortality-monitoring-report-england-2025/heat-mortality-monitoring-report-england-2025

    Note that they are talking about episodes where the mean temperature hit… 22 and a bit degrees

    And they were noticing deaths in the statistics.

    The conclusion that care homes should have air-con is astonishingly obvious
    Everywhere should. The government should offer some kind of incentive for domestic houses to install solar panels + aircon as a package.
    That sounds like a woke green package to me
    No, the inclusion of AC inoculates it against being woke. It would appeal to aspirational voters and turn off virtue signallers who would moan that they don't qualify for the incentive unless they install AC.
    That’s exactly what a wokey would say
    I'm right. Just look at how Zack Polanski can't bring himself to advocate AC:

    https://x.com/ZackPolanski/status/2069770251546354092

    While the government collapses, kids are fainting in classrooms and workers are sweltering.

    It's time to heatproof Britain:

    1⃣ Heatproofing for every home that needs it
    2⃣ Cooling measures for schools, hospitals and care homes
    3⃣ A maximum workplace temperature limit.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 9,072

    kinabalu said:

    Saw a beautiful car on my route today


    I wonder what he was doing there. Did you get a peek? Have they gone for Callum Turner?
    Not to go all Dura Ace but that’s a Porsche. There would be mass suicides among the gammonry if JB went Germanic.
    It is a very pretty car.
    Didn’t JB go German in the Brosnan films when BMW provided the cars, I remember a 7 series and a Z3 at various points.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,878

    kinabalu said:

    Saw a beautiful car on my route today


    I wonder what he was doing there. Did you get a peek? Have they gone for Callum Turner?
    Not to go all Dura Ace but that’s a Porsche. There would be mass suicides among the gammonry if JB went Germanic.
    It is a very pretty car.
    Pierce Brosnan drove a BMW in Tomorrow Never Dies!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN63LoWs1XU
  • boulayboulay Posts: 9,072
    IanB2 said:

    So the island is claiming a possible record for its hottest ever June day - but not its hottest day ever, as was forewarned. The shaded garden thermometer I have recorded 31C, but then being by the sea with an onshore breeze we get some relief on very hot days. Towards the centre and west of the island I expect they had the worst of it. Mr Dog and I have spent the day in the garden reading a book about UK economic history.

    Same here on temps. 35.8 with tomorrow hotter again which is getting a bit tedious. Am very thankful that the sea is about 100 metres away and I’m getting the pathetic effort of breeze off it.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,774

    Aaron Rupar
    @atrupar

    Mike Johnson: "This is not a joke. We are in a fight right now to save the republic and every American needs to take this seriously. You need to wake up. This upcoming midterm is not the midterm elections of years ago. This is gonna decide the direction of the country. Are we gonna maintain our status as a constitutional republic on our 250th anniversary?"

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2069792967485784227
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,038

    kinabalu said:

    Saw a beautiful car on my route today


    I wonder what he was doing there. Did you get a peek? Have they gone for Callum Turner?
    Not to go all Dura Ace but that’s a Porsche. There would be mass suicides among the gammonry if JB went Germanic.
    It is a very pretty car.
    Oh my bad. I thought it was the AM DB7. Or was it a DB5 that 'Shems' drove?

    When he wasn't using his battleship grey 1930 Bentley 4.5 litre convertible coupe with Amherst Villiers supercharger, that is.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,454

    Royal Mail have given us a leaflet entitled 'Small changes for more dependable deliveries'. This translates as 'we're only going to deliver 2nd class mail every other day' (which would actually be an improvement here but that's another issue.)

    The consumer benefits of privatisation, eh?

    Wonder if they will reword the Interpretation Act? Seem a bit tight for service by 2nd Class post.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,774
    boulay said:

    IanB2 said:

    So the island is claiming a possible record for its hottest ever June day - but not its hottest day ever, as was forewarned. The shaded garden thermometer I have recorded 31C, but then being by the sea with an onshore breeze we get some relief on very hot days. Towards the centre and west of the island I expect they had the worst of it. Mr Dog and I have spent the day in the garden reading a book about UK economic history.

    Same here on temps. 35.8 with tomorrow hotter again which is getting a bit tedious. Am very thankful that the sea is about 100 metres away and I’m getting the pathetic effort of breeze off it.
    Roll on September.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 9,072

    boulay said:

    IanB2 said:

    So the island is claiming a possible record for its hottest ever June day - but not its hottest day ever, as was forewarned. The shaded garden thermometer I have recorded 31C, but then being by the sea with an onshore breeze we get some relief on very hot days. Towards the centre and west of the island I expect they had the worst of it. Mr Dog and I have spent the day in the garden reading a book about UK economic history.

    Same here on temps. 35.8 with tomorrow hotter again which is getting a bit tedious. Am very thankful that the sea is about 100 metres away and I’m getting the pathetic effort of breeze off it.
    Roll on September.
    Possibly my favourite month. Still warm, nicer light than June/July and august. Sea is warmest then, most tourists have buggered off and it’s not light at stupid o’clock until late.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 48,094
    CatMan said:

    kinabalu said:

    Saw a beautiful car on my route today


    I wonder what he was doing there. Did you get a peek? Have they gone for Callum Turner?
    Not to go all Dura Ace but that’s a Porsche. There would be mass suicides among the gammonry if JB went Germanic.
    It is a very pretty car.
    Pierce Brosnan drove a BMW in Tomorrow Never Dies!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN63LoWs1XU
    Bloody hell, definitely not a Bond expert but that’s obviously when Britain started going down the tubes.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,774

    The Green Party
    @TheGreenParty
    ·
    2h
    The Green Party is calling for a maximum workplace temperature to be introduced.

    https://x.com/TheGreenParty/status/2069802320829743518
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,774

    The Green Party
    @TheGreenParty
    ·
    2h
    The Green Party is calling for a maximum workplace temperature to be introduced.

    https://x.com/TheGreenParty/status/2069802320829743518
  • eekeek Posts: 34,205


    Aaron Rupar
    @atrupar

    Mike Johnson: "This is not a joke. We are in a fight right now to save the republic and every American needs to take this seriously. You need to wake up. This upcoming midterm is not the midterm elections of years ago. This is gonna decide the direction of the country. Are we gonna maintain our status as a constitutional republic on our 250th anniversary?"

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2069792967485784227

    He's a republican - I'm at a loss as to how voting for Trump / Republicans is going to maintain the US status as a constitutional republic...

    I know there is a sucker born every minute but really....
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,229


    The Green Party
    @TheGreenParty
    ·
    2h
    The Green Party is calling for a maximum workplace temperature to be introduced.

    https://x.com/TheGreenParty/status/2069802320829743518

    And workplace air-con to keep the temperature down?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,764
    Found a foolproof solution to the overbearing heat.
    Just travelled back to Newcastle.
    At least 10° cooler.
  • PeterCairnsPeterCairns Posts: 221


    The Green Party
    @TheGreenParty
    ·
    2h
    The Green Party is calling for a maximum workplace temperature to be introduced.

    https://x.com/TheGreenParty/status/2069802320829743518

    And workplace air-con to keep the temperature down?
    Okay let’s set it at 50!

    Peter.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,937
    edited 5:36PM
    dixiedean said:

    Found a foolproof solution to the overbearing heat.
    Just travelled back to Newcastle.
    At least 10° cooler.

    I was wondering the other day when I saw that 2056 mock temperature forecasts if the centres of power, population and commerce in the country would slowly track "upwards" i.e. northwards as the temperature rose over the decades.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,611
    kinabalu said:

    FF43 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    FF43 said:

    My guess Starmer will simply retire. He's 63 years old and has led two very senior jobs.

    I don't think he'll continue as an MP until 2029. He'll step down within 12 months probably.
    Possible. Presumably he will get a place in the House of Lords at that point. So two good pensions plus MP salary or HoL attendance fees. I could see him chairing a commission or two in topics that interest him so he isn't bored. An agreeable retirement, it seems
    The John Major model isn't a bad one to emulate. Depends on how he feels once the shock has worn off, I suppose.
    John Major went off to Carlyle Group where he made a mid-sized fortune.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,038


    Aaron Rupar
    @atrupar

    Mike Johnson: "This is not a joke. We are in a fight right now to save the republic and every American needs to take this seriously. You need to wake up. This upcoming midterm is not the midterm elections of years ago. This is gonna decide the direction of the country. Are we gonna maintain our status as a constitutional republic on our 250th anniversary?"

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2069792967485784227

    Wow, so Johnson has turned on Trump?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,611

    Pulpstar said:

    https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/heat-mortality-monitoring-report-england-2025/heat-mortality-monitoring-report-england-2025

    Note that they are talking about episodes where the mean temperature hit… 22 and a bit degrees

    And they were noticing deaths in the statistics.

    The conclusion that care homes should have air-con is astonishingly obvious
    Everywhere should. The government should offer some kind of incentive for domestic houses to install solar panels + aircon as a package.
    solar panels + heat pumps please
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,131
    dixiedean said:

    Found a foolproof solution to the overbearing heat.
    Just travelled back to Newcastle.
    At least 10° cooler.

    29.6 in my living room right now. FFS!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,871
    Andy_JS said:

    dixiedean said:

    35.7°. New June record.

    It was 35.6° in Camden Square on 29th June 1957.

    https://www.trevorharley.com/hottest-day-of-each-year-from-1900.html
    So it's been really hot quite a lot in June, over the years.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,772

    Interesting header.

    With Sir Keir remaining an MP, I think foreign secretary could be back on. If not now, then in the future.

    Of the four great offices of state it is the most detached from everyday politics.

    And, for all his weaknesses as a leader, Sir Keir’s statecraft is widely recognised.

    I might just take the 16s if still available.

    Would you CASH out if needed
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,229
    edited 5:45PM
    rcs1000 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/heat-mortality-monitoring-report-england-2025/heat-mortality-monitoring-report-england-2025

    Note that they are talking about episodes where the mean temperature hit… 22 and a bit degrees

    And they were noticing deaths in the statistics.

    The conclusion that care homes should have air-con is astonishingly obvious
    Everywhere should. The government should offer some kind of incentive for domestic houses to install solar panels + aircon as a package.
    solar panels + heat pumps please
    AC is an air-to-air heat pump.

    Previously they only promoted air-to-water heat pumps as an alternative to gas boilers but they're not always suitable for retrofitting as a like-for-like replacement which has damaged their image. The good thing about AC is that it complements whatever else you've got instead of attempting to replace it.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,038
    rcs1000 said:

    kinabalu said:

    FF43 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    FF43 said:

    My guess Starmer will simply retire. He's 63 years old and has led two very senior jobs.

    I don't think he'll continue as an MP until 2029. He'll step down within 12 months probably.
    Possible. Presumably he will get a place in the House of Lords at that point. So two good pensions plus MP salary or HoL attendance fees. I could see him chairing a commission or two in topics that interest him so he isn't bored. An agreeable retirement, it seems
    The John Major model isn't a bad one to emulate. Depends on how he feels once the shock has worn off, I suppose.
    John Major went off to Carlyle Group where he made a mid-sized fortune.
    Ah did he. Not just cricket at the Oval and graceful pottering around then. Tbf he was only 54. Still a bit in the tank.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,075
    kinabalu said:


    Aaron Rupar
    @atrupar

    Mike Johnson: "This is not a joke. We are in a fight right now to save the republic and every American needs to take this seriously. You need to wake up. This upcoming midterm is not the midterm elections of years ago. This is gonna decide the direction of the country. Are we gonna maintain our status as a constitutional republic on our 250th anniversary?"

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2069792967485784227

    Wow, so Johnson has turned on Trump?
    Johnson and Trump have turned on John Thune.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,871


    The Green Party
    @TheGreenParty
    ·
    2h
    The Green Party is calling for a maximum workplace temperature to be introduced.

    https://x.com/TheGreenParty/status/2069802320829743518

    And workplace air-con to keep the temperature down?
    Okay let’s set it at 50!

    Peter.
    Stop it.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,871
    rcs1000 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/heat-mortality-monitoring-report-england-2025/heat-mortality-monitoring-report-england-2025

    Note that they are talking about episodes where the mean temperature hit… 22 and a bit degrees

    And they were noticing deaths in the statistics.

    The conclusion that care homes should have air-con is astonishingly obvious
    Everywhere should. The government should offer some kind of incentive for domestic houses to install solar panels + aircon as a package.
    solar panels + heat pumps please
    Heat pumps are shit though.

    Solar panels are ok but I dropped £12k on them, and it shaved a bit off my bill but not enough.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,038
    Sandpit said:

    kinabalu said:


    Aaron Rupar
    @atrupar

    Mike Johnson: "This is not a joke. We are in a fight right now to save the republic and every American needs to take this seriously. You need to wake up. This upcoming midterm is not the midterm elections of years ago. This is gonna decide the direction of the country. Are we gonna maintain our status as a constitutional republic on our 250th anniversary?"

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2069792967485784227

    Wow, so Johnson has turned on Trump?
    Johnson and Trump have turned on John Thune.
    Enough said. Is there a Thune org I can donate to?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,075
    edited 5:51PM
    kinabalu said:

    Sandpit said:

    kinabalu said:


    Aaron Rupar
    @atrupar

    Mike Johnson: "This is not a joke. We are in a fight right now to save the republic and every American needs to take this seriously. You need to wake up. This upcoming midterm is not the midterm elections of years ago. This is gonna decide the direction of the country. Are we gonna maintain our status as a constitutional republic on our 250th anniversary?"

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2069792967485784227

    Wow, so Johnson has turned on Trump?
    Johnson and Trump have turned on John Thune.
    Enough said. Is there a Thune org I can donate to?
    RINO.org?
    DCswampcreatures.org?
    Sittingonmyhandsdoingnothing.org?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,052
    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Laughable that anyone thinks that a new PM would appoint the most disliked person in politics into any role. (Only Starmer would be crazy enough to do that - see Mandelson.) He is utterly unsuited to anything in politics. Into NATO, are you losing your mind.

    Let him retire, quietly, only to be seen in November placing a wreath. In a couple of decades he may have recovered a few percentage points as memories fade.

    Strange that not one European Leader agrees with your utterly jaundiced view.
    Of course they love Mr Keirpitulation. The British public despises him. Rightly so. You are probably relieved that you wont have to embarrass yourself on here every day, trying to come up with ever more desperate ways to support him. At least you have a brief honeymoon period with Burnham to look forward to. Make the most of it.
    Are you that teat plumber from pimlico
    Pause

    Pause

    "teat plumber"???

    That's a job? I thought they came pre-installed!

    :)
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,611

    rcs1000 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/heat-mortality-monitoring-report-england-2025/heat-mortality-monitoring-report-england-2025

    Note that they are talking about episodes where the mean temperature hit… 22 and a bit degrees

    And they were noticing deaths in the statistics.

    The conclusion that care homes should have air-con is astonishingly obvious
    Everywhere should. The government should offer some kind of incentive for domestic houses to install solar panels + aircon as a package.
    solar panels + heat pumps please
    Heat pumps are shit though.

    Solar panels are ok but I dropped £12k on them, and it shaved a bit off my bill but not enough.
    Heat pumps are just air conditioners that heat as well as cool. They tend to be variable speed too, which means you avoid the on-off-on-off action that is typical for heating and cooling systems.

    We replaced our air conditioners with heat pumps and saved an absolute fortune, with no loss of efficacy. (Except -perhaps- they took very slightly longer to cool the house down on very hot days.)
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,857
    Nigelb said:

    No doubt PBers have heard this before, but I am a footballing ignoramus, so found it amusing.

    By far my favourite Scotland vs Brazil story is the referee saying “Good luck, may the best team win” to both captains before the game in 1982 and Graeme Souness replying “I fucking hope not”

    He was a truly great player though. I recall when he was managing in Italy he was asked about one of his players having thrown a hissy fit at being substituted. Journo said to him as a former player you must understand the frustration of being taken off early. Straightaway came the response from GS, 'I was never substituted'.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,611

    rcs1000 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/heat-mortality-monitoring-report-england-2025/heat-mortality-monitoring-report-england-2025

    Note that they are talking about episodes where the mean temperature hit… 22 and a bit degrees

    And they were noticing deaths in the statistics.

    The conclusion that care homes should have air-con is astonishingly obvious
    Everywhere should. The government should offer some kind of incentive for domestic houses to install solar panels + aircon as a package.
    solar panels + heat pumps please
    AC is an air-to-air heat pump.

    Previously they only promoted air-to-water heat pumps as an alternative to gas boilers but they're not always suitable for retrofitting as a like-for-like replacement which has damaged their image. The good thing about AC is that it complements whatever else you've got instead of attempting to replace it.
    A heat pump is just an AC unit with (a) a variable speed compressor, that can (b) run in reverse and therefore heat as well as cool.

    In our flat in London, we put in air conditioning about three years ago. In retrospect, we should have gone with a heat pump. But I guess we were probably about a year too early.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,038
    Sandpit said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sandpit said:

    kinabalu said:


    Aaron Rupar
    @atrupar

    Mike Johnson: "This is not a joke. We are in a fight right now to save the republic and every American needs to take this seriously. You need to wake up. This upcoming midterm is not the midterm elections of years ago. This is gonna decide the direction of the country. Are we gonna maintain our status as a constitutional republic on our 250th anniversary?"

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2069792967485784227

    Wow, so Johnson has turned on Trump?
    Johnson and Trump have turned on John Thune.
    Enough said. Is there a Thune org I can donate to?
    RINO.org?
    DCswampcreatures.org?
    Sittingonmyhandsdoingnothing.org?
    That last would be an excellent development as regards the Trump2 administration. Huge dividends on many fronts.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,625

    Interesting header.

    With Sir Keir remaining an MP, I think foreign secretary could be back on. If not now, then in the future.

    Of the four great offices of state it is the most detached from everyday politics.

    And, for all his weaknesses as a leader, Sir Keir’s statecraft is widely recognised.

    I might just take the 16s if still available.

    If you want to prioritise your partner and kids, taking a job that requires you to be out of the country half the time is not optimal.

    So no bet.
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