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  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,219
    eek said:

    Al Carns thinks he’s Gordon Brown:

    https://x.com/alistaircarns/status/2069871743901278538

    This isn't a manifesto, but a set of five tests. Anyone asking to lead our country should be able to look down this list and say yes to all five.

    If asked to provide the plan for those 5 tests I suspect he would be a withering wreck with 5 minutes of the interview beginning as I started asking for details rather than fine words..
    "Where's the beef, beefcake ?"
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,536

    tlg86 said:

    Does anyone remember what the Tories did at Blair's last PMQs? I think Badenoch was absolutely spot on to put the boot in.

    At the end Dave and the Tories stood up and applauded Blair.
    Fully bloody deserved as well
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,823
    ohnotnow said:

    FF43 said:


    Natasha Clark
    @NatashaC
    ·
    1h
    Bridget Phillipson tells @AndrewMarr9 @lbc she will go get a T-shirt saying “spiteful class warrior” after her spat with Kemi Badenoch

    Badenoch is a nasty piece of work.

    John Crace nails it:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jun/24/graceless-kemi-badenoch-keir-starmer-pmqs-sketch

    "Here was a chance for Kemi Badenoch to show her human side. To give the world a rare sighting of her empathy gene. But Kemi just can’t go there. She can’t read a room. She has only one mode. All-out attack. Other people’s moments of weakness are just material for her to use against them. Even now, she probably thinks she played a blinder at prime minister’s questions. A chance taken to humiliate Keir when he’s down. She has no idea how graceless she is. How charmless. All the more so because she has played no part in Starmer’s resignation. The Conservatives have just been bystanders. There has been no dramatic intervention by Kemi. No set piece in which she has exposed his weakness and forced the issue. Keir’s departure was purely between him and the Labour party. It was Keir’s MPs who had given up on him. No one else. "

    "The mad thing is that it would have taken so little for Kemi to have come out of PMQs looking good. In their first exchanges after a Downing Street resignation, it’s customary for the leader of the opposition to say something complimentary about the outgoing prime minister. It doesn’t even have to be very much. She could have said she admired his steadfast support for Ukraine. Or gone for the human touch. That she had enjoyed the conversations they had held in private. Had loved meeting his wife and kids. Wished him all the very best. But Kemi would rather die than do this. She sees kindness as a sign of weakness. It would have cost her what passes for her self-worth. Had she done this – allowed even a forced croak of kindness to escape her lips – then everything that followed would have been OK. Kemi would have bossed the show. As it was, she crashed and burned. Her language becoming progressively more angry and violent the longer she went on. It was the behaviour of a spoiled child. A playground bully whom her party doesn’t dare to call out."
    Genuine mystery to me why people rate Badenoch. I can see how they might not notice her incompetence. They're not necessarily paying attention and Badenoch can probably cover up a lot through sheer bluster. But it's baffling to me how they can miss seeing her rudeness and bad behaviour. Most people are polite. No way would they tolerate this kind of aggression in a normal workplace or social situation.
    Personally, I don't really rate her. But I do give her credit for getting better compared to day-one Kemi. Quite a lot of politicians never progress that far.
    Don't see much of an improvement myself, but as I say the whole phenomenon is a mystery to me.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,219
    Barnesian said:

    tlg86 said:

    Does anyone remember what the Tories did at Blair's last PMQs? I think Badenoch was absolutely spot on to put the boot in.

    I think the whole house applauded him. It was uncanny.
    I remember thinking it more than a bit cringe.
    Ditto Kemi today, I'm afraid.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,470

    This was Dave at Blair's last PMQs, compare the class oozing from him and the bile from Badenoch.

    Tory leader David Cameron: "Can I congratulate him on his achievement in leading his party for 13 years and this country for 10. He has considerable achievements ... we wish him and his family well and every success for whatever he does in the future." Mr Blair replied he had always found Mr Cameron "most proper, correct and courteous in his dealings with me".

    Liberal Democrat leader Sir Menzies Campbell: "You have been unfailingly courteous..."

    Northern Ireland first minister The Rev Ian Paisley: "I understand that he was downcast many a day, I understand that he was disappointed, understand he was angry, and I understand that perhaps he even lost his temper. But I want to say that he treated me with the greatest of courtesy. I had many things that I disagreed with him on but we faced them."


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/jun/27/politics.tonyblair

    Today was not Starmer's last PMQs

    He has 2 more and I fully expect on his final one Kemi and the HOC will make their own tributes and he may even get a generous applause

    Indeed I hope he does
    But surely that wouldn't be "upsetting all the right people", BigG!
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,536
    DoctorG said:

    Bosnia 3-1 up now

    Scotland could be down to 6th in the runners up spots, with 10 groups to play if Brazil win by 2 goals

    Not stacked with confidence here

    I fancy Scotland to Nick a draw tonight. For real.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,219
    EU signs US 'Pax Silica' initiative singling-out China on AI chips
    https://www.euractiv.com/news/eu-signs-us-pax-silica-initiative-singling-out-china-on-ai-chips/
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,411

    dixiedean said:

    Found a foolproof solution to the overbearing heat.
    Just travelled back to Newcastle.
    At least 10° cooler.

    29.6 in my living room right now. FFS!
    33°C here owing to insulation and hot air rising (more useful in winter). I have a fan directly behind me and my feet in cold water.
    A breezy 24.4 here. Basement living. It was 34 outside today.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,612


    Natasha Clark
    @NatashaC
    ·
    1h
    Bridget Phillipson tells @AndrewMarr9 @lbc she will go get a T-shirt saying “spiteful class warrior” after her spat with Kemi Badenoch

    Badenoch is a nasty piece of work.

    John Crace nails it:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jun/24/graceless-kemi-badenoch-keir-starmer-pmqs-sketch

    "Here was a chance for Kemi Badenoch to show her human side. To give the world a rare sighting of her empathy gene. But Kemi just can’t go there. She can’t read a room. She has only one mode. All-out attack. Other people’s moments of weakness are just material for her to use against them. Even now, she probably thinks she played a blinder at prime minister’s questions. A chance taken to humiliate Keir when he’s down. She has no idea how graceless she is. How charmless. All the more so because she has played no part in Starmer’s resignation. The Conservatives have just been bystanders. There has been no dramatic intervention by Kemi. No set piece in which she has exposed his weakness and forced the issue. Keir’s departure was purely between him and the Labour party. It was Keir’s MPs who had given up on him. No one else. "

    "The mad thing is that it would have taken so little for Kemi to have come out of PMQs looking good. In their first exchanges after a Downing Street resignation, it’s customary for the leader of the opposition to say something complimentary about the outgoing prime minister. It doesn’t even have to be very much. She could have said she admired his steadfast support for Ukraine. Or gone for the human touch. That she had enjoyed the conversations they had held in private. Had loved meeting his wife and kids. Wished him all the very best. But Kemi would rather die than do this. She sees kindness as a sign of weakness. It would have cost her what passes for her self-worth. Had she done this – allowed even a forced croak of kindness to escape her lips – then everything that followed would have been OK. Kemi would have bossed the show. As it was, she crashed and burned. Her language becoming progressively more angry and violent the longer she went on. It was the behaviour of a spoiled child. A playground bully whom her party doesn’t dare to call out."
    I wouldn't go as far as Crace, but it was an ungracious -and immature- speech.

    It seemed completely unnecessary.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,991
    Haven’t Labour set her up with more chances to be gracious before he actually goes?

    That wasn’t his last PMQs, was it?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,108
    edited June 24
    Trump has spoken about Andy Burnham.

    Andy Burnham already has some work to do to win over Donald Trump.

    Trump says he is 'extremely liberal' and probably won't drill in the North Sea.


    https://x.com/connorstringer/status/2069881506177175609

    Trump is later asked by @beverleyturner if he would like to be the first leader Andy Burnham meets.

    Trump: No.


    https://x.com/connorstringer/status/2069883714817921512
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,775
    Extreme Temperatures Around The World
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    UNBELIEVABLE 45 DEGREES AGAIN IN FRANCE
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  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,775
    Extreme Temperatures Around The World
    @extremetemps

    UNBELIEVABLE 45 DEGREES AGAIN IN FRANCE
    3 CONSECUTIVE DAYS >44.5c This is INSANE !

    42.2c Paris,41.1C in The Yeu Island !!!

    80 all time records
    290 Monthly records

    Already >1000 records broken and thousands more coming.

    https://x.com/extremetemps/status/2069881239385899400
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 17,583

    Al Carns thinks he’s Gordon Brown:

    https://x.com/alistaircarns/status/2069871743901278538

    This isn't a manifesto, but a set of five tests. Anyone asking to lead our country should be able to look down this list and say yes to all five.

    He left the government five minutes ago and now reveals he didn't agree with a single major plank of their approach and strongly disagreed with most of it.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,991

    Haven’t Labour set her up with more chances to be gracious before he actually goes?

    That wasn’t his last PMQs, was it?

    Does anyone know how many more PMQs he’ll do?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,465
    MelonB said:

    This was Dave at Blair's last PMQs, compare the class oozing from him and the bile from Badenoch.

    Tory leader David Cameron: "Can I congratulate him on his achievement in leading his party for 13 years and this country for 10. He has considerable achievements ... we wish him and his family well and every success for whatever he does in the future." Mr Blair replied he had always found Mr Cameron "most proper, correct and courteous in his dealings with me".

    Liberal Democrat leader Sir Menzies Campbell: "You have been unfailingly courteous..."

    Northern Ireland first minister The Rev Ian Paisley: "I understand that he was downcast many a day, I understand that he was disappointed, understand he was angry, and I understand that perhaps he even lost his temper. But I want to say that he treated me with the greatest of courtesy. I had many things that I disagreed with him on but we faced them."


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/jun/27/politics.tonyblair

    Today was not Starmer's last PMQs

    He has 2 more and I fully expect on his final one Kemi and the HOC will make their own tributes and he may even get a generous applause

    Indeed I hope he does
    But surely that wouldn't be "upsetting all the right people", BigG!
    Starmer's final PMQs is the time for tributes for his service which I expect will happen on the 15th July and a day to put politics on oneside

    That was not today
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,941

    Trump has spoken about Andy Burnham.

    Andy Burnham already has some work to do to win over Donald Trump.

    Trump says he is 'extremely liberal' and probably won't drill in the North Sea.


    https://x.com/connorstringer/status/2069881506177175609

    Trump is later asked by @beverleyturner if he would like to be the first leader Andy Burnham meets.

    Trump: No.


    https://x.com/connorstringer/status/2069883714817921512

    I suppose at least Trump didn't say "who?"
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,558

    malcolmg said:

    viewcode said:

    Taz said:

    Remember what Pat McFadden said:

    Every meeting I have is 'who can we tax in order to pay benefits to others'.

    Reeves's parting idea:

    22% Charge on interest paid on cash held in non Cash ISAs

    Non Cash ISA portfolios made up of 100% cash-like assets will be non-qualifying investments

    Restrictions on transfers into cash ISAs


    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/fiscal-events-2026-factsheets/isa-reform-2027-anti-circumvention-rules-factsheet

    I am devastated. The 0% I earn on cash in my S&S ISA will be taxed down to 0%.
    I’m getting a few percentage on my cash. The cash will be deployed. But this pushes you to be fully invested all the time and reinvest when you get income. Not a fan

    I don’t like it but I have to go along with it
    (narrator: yes, Viewcode got that reference as well. In the original German)
    Get your cash in an MMF Taz, you will get close to 4%
    What’s an MMF? (I mean, I know one meaning of MMF, it was a lot of fun and got me to 100%, so to speak. It got all of us to 100%. But there was no cash involved.)
    That sounds a lot more interesting than a money market fund
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,823

    FF43 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Does anyone remember what the Tories did at Blair's last PMQs? I think Badenoch was absolutely spot on to put the boot in.

    It's on YouTube. Night and day between Badenoch and Cameron, who was actually quite classy. The other thing, PMQs actually consisted of questions and answers on specific topics back in the day.
    Maybe then Kemi should be compared on her performance and generosity on Starmer's final PMQs which is on the 15th July
    Being minimally behaved isn't just for a final PMQs. Badenoch gratuitously insulted several other people than Starmer today. I don't like personalising but you don't come across as someone boorish at all, yet Badenoch's behaviour is perfectly OK?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,465

    Haven’t Labour set her up with more chances to be gracious before he actually goes?

    That wasn’t his last PMQs, was it?

    15th July will be his last PMQs
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,463
    rcs1000 said:


    Natasha Clark
    @NatashaC
    ·
    1h
    Bridget Phillipson tells @AndrewMarr9 @lbc she will go get a T-shirt saying “spiteful class warrior” after her spat with Kemi Badenoch

    Badenoch is a nasty piece of work.

    John Crace nails it:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jun/24/graceless-kemi-badenoch-keir-starmer-pmqs-sketch

    "Here was a chance for Kemi Badenoch to show her human side. To give the world a rare sighting of her empathy gene. But Kemi just can’t go there. She can’t read a room. She has only one mode. All-out attack. Other people’s moments of weakness are just material for her to use against them. Even now, she probably thinks she played a blinder at prime minister’s questions. A chance taken to humiliate Keir when he’s down. She has no idea how graceless she is. How charmless. All the more so because she has played no part in Starmer’s resignation. The Conservatives have just been bystanders. There has been no dramatic intervention by Kemi. No set piece in which she has exposed his weakness and forced the issue. Keir’s departure was purely between him and the Labour party. It was Keir’s MPs who had given up on him. No one else. "

    "The mad thing is that it would have taken so little for Kemi to have come out of PMQs looking good. In their first exchanges after a Downing Street resignation, it’s customary for the leader of the opposition to say something complimentary about the outgoing prime minister. It doesn’t even have to be very much. She could have said she admired his steadfast support for Ukraine. Or gone for the human touch. That she had enjoyed the conversations they had held in private. Had loved meeting his wife and kids. Wished him all the very best. But Kemi would rather die than do this. She sees kindness as a sign of weakness. It would have cost her what passes for her self-worth. Had she done this – allowed even a forced croak of kindness to escape her lips – then everything that followed would have been OK. Kemi would have bossed the show. As it was, she crashed and burned. Her language becoming progressively more angry and violent the longer she went on. It was the behaviour of a spoiled child. A playground bully whom her party doesn’t dare to call out."
    I wouldn't go as far as Crace, but it was an ungracious -and immature- speech.

    It seemed completely unnecessary.
    Kemi has several PMQs left with Starmer. I don't really know what you expect her to do in them.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,661
    rcs1000 said:


    Natasha Clark
    @NatashaC
    ·
    1h
    Bridget Phillipson tells @AndrewMarr9 @lbc she will go get a T-shirt saying “spiteful class warrior” after her spat with Kemi Badenoch

    Badenoch is a nasty piece of work.

    John Crace nails it:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jun/24/graceless-kemi-badenoch-keir-starmer-pmqs-sketch

    "Here was a chance for Kemi Badenoch to show her human side. To give the world a rare sighting of her empathy gene. But Kemi just can’t go there. She can’t read a room. She has only one mode. All-out attack. Other people’s moments of weakness are just material for her to use against them. Even now, she probably thinks she played a blinder at prime minister’s questions. A chance taken to humiliate Keir when he’s down. She has no idea how graceless she is. How charmless. All the more so because she has played no part in Starmer’s resignation. The Conservatives have just been bystanders. There has been no dramatic intervention by Kemi. No set piece in which she has exposed his weakness and forced the issue. Keir’s departure was purely between him and the Labour party. It was Keir’s MPs who had given up on him. No one else. "

    "The mad thing is that it would have taken so little for Kemi to have come out of PMQs looking good. In their first exchanges after a Downing Street resignation, it’s customary for the leader of the opposition to say something complimentary about the outgoing prime minister. It doesn’t even have to be very much. She could have said she admired his steadfast support for Ukraine. Or gone for the human touch. That she had enjoyed the conversations they had held in private. Had loved meeting his wife and kids. Wished him all the very best. But Kemi would rather die than do this. She sees kindness as a sign of weakness. It would have cost her what passes for her self-worth. Had she done this – allowed even a forced croak of kindness to escape her lips – then everything that followed would have been OK. Kemi would have bossed the show. As it was, she crashed and burned. Her language becoming progressively more angry and violent the longer she went on. It was the behaviour of a spoiled child. A playground bully whom her party doesn’t dare to call out."
    I wouldn't go as far as Crace, but it was an ungracious -and immature- speech.

    It seemed completely unnecessary.
    You are talking about her.

    The voters hate Starmer. You think they reckon Kemi was ungracious and immature - or sharing their views?
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,991
    edited June 24

    Haven’t Labour set her up with more chances to be gracious before he actually goes?

    That wasn’t his last PMQs, was it?

    15th July will be his last PMQs
    Should Kemi be gracious every week?
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 6,360
    rcs1000 said:


    Natasha Clark
    @NatashaC
    ·
    1h
    Bridget Phillipson tells @AndrewMarr9 @lbc she will go get a T-shirt saying “spiteful class warrior” after her spat with Kemi Badenoch

    Badenoch is a nasty piece of work.

    John Crace nails it:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jun/24/graceless-kemi-badenoch-keir-starmer-pmqs-sketch

    "Here was a chance for Kemi Badenoch to show her human side. To give the world a rare sighting of her empathy gene. But Kemi just can’t go there. She can’t read a room. She has only one mode. All-out attack. Other people’s moments of weakness are just material for her to use against them. Even now, she probably thinks she played a blinder at prime minister’s questions. A chance taken to humiliate Keir when he’s down. She has no idea how graceless she is. How charmless. All the more so because she has played no part in Starmer’s resignation. The Conservatives have just been bystanders. There has been no dramatic intervention by Kemi. No set piece in which she has exposed his weakness and forced the issue. Keir’s departure was purely between him and the Labour party. It was Keir’s MPs who had given up on him. No one else. "

    "The mad thing is that it would have taken so little for Kemi to have come out of PMQs looking good. In their first exchanges after a Downing Street resignation, it’s customary for the leader of the opposition to say something complimentary about the outgoing prime minister. It doesn’t even have to be very much. She could have said she admired his steadfast support for Ukraine. Or gone for the human touch. That she had enjoyed the conversations they had held in private. Had loved meeting his wife and kids. Wished him all the very best. But Kemi would rather die than do this. She sees kindness as a sign of weakness. It would have cost her what passes for her self-worth. Had she done this – allowed even a forced croak of kindness to escape her lips – then everything that followed would have been OK. Kemi would have bossed the show. As it was, she crashed and burned. Her language becoming progressively more angry and violent the longer she went on. It was the behaviour of a spoiled child. A playground bully whom her party doesn’t dare to call out."
    I wouldn't go as far as Crace, but it was an ungracious -and immature- speech.

    It seemed completely unnecessary.
    She is as lacking in class as the Khymer blueprint for Kampuchea.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,934
    Peru - looks like Keiko has won

    https://resultadosegundavuelta.onpe.gob.pe/main/presidenciales

    Wonder if the opponents who said they wouldn’t respect the result if she won will follow through.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,465
    FF43 said:

    FF43 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Does anyone remember what the Tories did at Blair's last PMQs? I think Badenoch was absolutely spot on to put the boot in.

    It's on YouTube. Night and day between Badenoch and Cameron, who was actually quite classy. The other thing, PMQs actually consisted of questions and answers on specific topics back in the day.
    Maybe then Kemi should be compared on her performance and generosity on Starmer's final PMQs which is on the 15th July
    Being minimally behaved isn't just for a final PMQs. Badenoch gratuitously insulted several other people than Starmer today. I don't like personalising but you don't come across as someone boorish at all, yet Badenoch's behaviour is perfectly OK?
    Kemi is feisty but watching it today it she took advantage of Labour's troubles that any politician would

    I would have joined the criticism if this had been Starmer's final pmqs
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,625
    For me, the two great political mysteries of our time are the hatred of Starmer and the beatification of Badenoch.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,197

    FF43 said:


    Natasha Clark
    @NatashaC
    ·
    1h
    Bridget Phillipson tells @AndrewMarr9 @lbc she will go get a T-shirt saying “spiteful class warrior” after her spat with Kemi Badenoch

    Badenoch is a nasty piece of work.

    John Crace nails it:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jun/24/graceless-kemi-badenoch-keir-starmer-pmqs-sketch

    "Here was a chance for Kemi Badenoch to show her human side. To give the world a rare sighting of her empathy gene. But Kemi just can’t go there. She can’t read a room. She has only one mode. All-out attack. Other people’s moments of weakness are just material for her to use against them. Even now, she probably thinks she played a blinder at prime minister’s questions. A chance taken to humiliate Keir when he’s down. She has no idea how graceless she is. How charmless. All the more so because she has played no part in Starmer’s resignation. The Conservatives have just been bystanders. There has been no dramatic intervention by Kemi. No set piece in which she has exposed his weakness and forced the issue. Keir’s departure was purely between him and the Labour party. It was Keir’s MPs who had given up on him. No one else. "

    "The mad thing is that it would have taken so little for Kemi to have come out of PMQs looking good. In their first exchanges after a Downing Street resignation, it’s customary for the leader of the opposition to say something complimentary about the outgoing prime minister. It doesn’t even have to be very much. She could have said she admired his steadfast support for Ukraine. Or gone for the human touch. That she had enjoyed the conversations they had held in private. Had loved meeting his wife and kids. Wished him all the very best. But Kemi would rather die than do this. She sees kindness as a sign of weakness. It would have cost her what passes for her self-worth. Had she done this – allowed even a forced croak of kindness to escape her lips – then everything that followed would have been OK. Kemi would have bossed the show. As it was, she crashed and burned. Her language becoming progressively more angry and violent the longer she went on. It was the behaviour of a spoiled child. A playground bully whom her party doesn’t dare to call out."
    Genuine mystery to me why people rate Badenoch. I can see how they might not notice her incompetence. They're not necessarily paying attention and Badenoch can probably cover up a lot through sheer bluster. But it's baffling to me how they can miss seeing her rudeness and bad behaviour. Most people are polite. No way would they tolerate this kind of aggression in a normal workplace or social situation.
    Two things, I reckon.

    Kemi is that way because she is our first big party leader to be a social media native. Unfortunately, rudeness is par for the course once you leave the cililised fragrant garden of PB. Out there, upsetting people is a good thing, just so long as it's the right people who get upset. Zack Polanski's remarks on Starmer were equally unclassy. The convention that a new MP praises their predecessor during their maiden speech (whatever they were like) is a good one.

    She gets away with it in part because other social media natives approve; they think this is what debate should be like. But also- there's as serious a lack of talent on the Conservative side as on the Labour side. They don't even have any high-profile Mayors that they could parachute into the Conservative leadership.
    I don’t think Kemi has yet called someone a wanker and told them to fuck off on social media or in public. Once she gets her teeth into PM Andy it may come of course.
    Perhaps Starmer needs to be careful how he signs off.

    Foxy
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,941

    For me, the two great political mysteries of our time are the hatred of Starmer and the beatification of Badenoch.

    When the reality should be that it's actually hard to feel much emotion for either of them, albeit for different reasons.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,775
    The last two weeks or so must be the worst for Farage in a very very long time.

    Being fucked over on all sorts of different fronts.

  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,558

    I have a fairly new colleague who lives on my route

    He made a complaint about me to Royal Mail, as a customer last week

    as a bit of banter, or for real?
    For real

    His delivery point is ten yards from his neighbour’s. There’s a door gate in between. He complained because I used it

    He wanted me to reverse seventy yards up his drive, open and then close his heavy, slightly broken gate. Walk the rest of the way across his large garden, deliver walk back, open and close again, and then drive round to his neighbour, ten yards from his door

    He claims to be scared that I’ll let his loose running dog escape, and it’ll be mauled by the neighbour’s dogs
    Sp why didn’t he raise that with you privately?
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,991
    When was noble Sir Keir ever gracious about his predecessors (squared, cubed, or whatever)?

    He’s a massive hypocrite
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 28,160
    Foxy said:

    FF43 said:


    Natasha Clark
    @NatashaC
    ·
    1h
    Bridget Phillipson tells @AndrewMarr9 @lbc she will go get a T-shirt saying “spiteful class warrior” after her spat with Kemi Badenoch

    Badenoch is a nasty piece of work.

    John Crace nails it:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jun/24/graceless-kemi-badenoch-keir-starmer-pmqs-sketch

    "Here was a chance for Kemi Badenoch to show her human side. To give the world a rare sighting of her empathy gene. But Kemi just can’t go there. She can’t read a room. She has only one mode. All-out attack. Other people’s moments of weakness are just material for her to use against them. Even now, she probably thinks she played a blinder at prime minister’s questions. A chance taken to humiliate Keir when he’s down. She has no idea how graceless she is. How charmless. All the more so because she has played no part in Starmer’s resignation. The Conservatives have just been bystanders. There has been no dramatic intervention by Kemi. No set piece in which she has exposed his weakness and forced the issue. Keir’s departure was purely between him and the Labour party. It was Keir’s MPs who had given up on him. No one else. "

    "The mad thing is that it would have taken so little for Kemi to have come out of PMQs looking good. In their first exchanges after a Downing Street resignation, it’s customary for the leader of the opposition to say something complimentary about the outgoing prime minister. It doesn’t even have to be very much. She could have said she admired his steadfast support for Ukraine. Or gone for the human touch. That she had enjoyed the conversations they had held in private. Had loved meeting his wife and kids. Wished him all the very best. But Kemi would rather die than do this. She sees kindness as a sign of weakness. It would have cost her what passes for her self-worth. Had she done this – allowed even a forced croak of kindness to escape her lips – then everything that followed would have been OK. Kemi would have bossed the show. As it was, she crashed and burned. Her language becoming progressively more angry and violent the longer she went on. It was the behaviour of a spoiled child. A playground bully whom her party doesn’t dare to call out."
    Genuine mystery to me why people rate Badenoch. I can see how they might not notice her incompetence. They're not necessarily paying attention and Badenoch can probably cover up a lot through sheer bluster. But it's baffling to me how they can miss seeing her rudeness and bad behaviour. Most people are polite. No way would they tolerate this kind of aggression in a normal workplace or social situation.
    Two things, I reckon.

    Kemi is that way because she is our first big party leader to be a social media native. Unfortunately, rudeness is par for the course once you leave the cililised fragrant garden of PB. Out there, upsetting people is a good thing, just so long as it's the right people who get upset. Zack Polanski's remarks on Starmer were equally unclassy. The convention that a new MP praises their predecessor during their maiden speech (whatever they were like) is a good one.

    She gets away with it in part because other social media natives approve; they think this is what debate should be like. But also- there's as serious a lack of talent on the Conservative side as on the Labour side. They don't even have any high-profile Mayors that they could parachute into the Conservative leadership.
    I don’t think Kemi has yet called someone a wanker and told them to fuck off on social media or in public. Once she gets her teeth into PM Andy it may come of course.
    Perhaps Starmer needs to be careful how he signs off.

    Foxy
    Bingo!
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 28,160

    When was noble Sir Keir ever gracious about his predecessors (squared, cubed, or whatever)?

    He’s a massive hypocrite

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/crlnk0rn6e4o
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,991

    I have a fairly new colleague who lives on my route

    He made a complaint about me to Royal Mail, as a customer last week

    as a bit of banter, or for real?
    For real

    His delivery point is ten yards from his neighbour’s. There’s a door gate in between. He complained because I used it

    He wanted me to reverse seventy yards up his drive, open and then close his heavy, slightly broken gate. Walk the rest of the way across his large garden, deliver walk back, open and close again, and then drive round to his neighbour, ten yards from his door

    He claims to be scared that I’ll let his loose running dog escape, and it’ll be mauled by the neighbour’s dogs
    Sp why didn’t he raise that with you privately?
    I don’t know. He seems to think that I’m “entitled”

    I think that it might be because he’s stupid and I have a posh voice
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,257

    FF43 said:

    FF43 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Does anyone remember what the Tories did at Blair's last PMQs? I think Badenoch was absolutely spot on to put the boot in.

    It's on YouTube. Night and day between Badenoch and Cameron, who was actually quite classy. The other thing, PMQs actually consisted of questions and answers on specific topics back in the day.
    Maybe then Kemi should be compared on her performance and generosity on Starmer's final PMQs which is on the 15th July
    Being minimally behaved isn't just for a final PMQs. Badenoch gratuitously insulted several other people than Starmer today. I don't like personalising but you don't come across as someone boorish at all, yet Badenoch's behaviour is perfectly OK?
    Kemi is feisty but watching it today it she took advantage of Labour's troubles that any politician would

    I would have joined the criticism if this had been Starmer's final pmqs

    FF43 said:

    FF43 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Does anyone remember what the Tories did at Blair's last PMQs? I think Badenoch was absolutely spot on to put the boot in.

    It's on YouTube. Night and day between Badenoch and Cameron, who was actually quite classy. The other thing, PMQs actually consisted of questions and answers on specific topics back in the day.
    Maybe then Kemi should be compared on her performance and generosity on Starmer's final PMQs which is on the 15th July
    Being minimally behaved isn't just for a final PMQs. Badenoch gratuitously insulted several other people than Starmer today. I don't like personalising but you don't come across as someone boorish at all, yet Badenoch's behaviour is perfectly OK?
    Kemi is feisty but watching it today it she took advantage of Labour's troubles that any politician would

    I would have joined the criticism if this had been Starmer's final pmqs
    You say she got the win over Starmer, which I would dispute. That being so, what was the point of sticking the boot in?

    It got a "phwar, phwar" from the chinless wonders behind her, but totally unnecessary.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,197

    I have a fairly new colleague who lives on my route

    He made a complaint about me to Royal Mail, as a customer last week

    as a bit of banter, or for real?
    For real

    His delivery point is ten yards from his neighbour’s. There’s a door gate in between. He complained because I used it

    He wanted me to reverse seventy yards up his drive, open and then close his heavy, slightly broken gate. Walk the rest of the way across his large garden, deliver walk back, open and close again, and then drive round to his neighbour, ten yards from his door

    He claims to be scared that I’ll let his loose running dog escape, and it’ll be mauled by the neighbour’s dogs
    Sp why didn’t he raise that with you privately?
    A lot of people get shirty when delivery people short cut from one house to the next. I was told not to do it when leafletting by the organiser.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,775

    Labour’s candidate to replace Andy Burnham as Greater Manchester mayor has been named as Bev Craig, the leader of the city council.

    Burnham, who could be prime minister in under four weeks, is expected to campaign heavily for Labour in a tight contest with Reform UK on 30 July.

    As many as 2 million people will be eligible to vote in the Greater Manchester byelection, making it the biggest in modern times in British politics.

    Craig, 41, has long been seen as a rising star within Labour and took over Manchester city council in 2021 at the age of 36, becoming only the third holder of the office in four decades and its first woman.

    Like many council leaders, however, she remains little-known to ordinary voters. A huge publicity blitz will pitch her as continuing the work of Burnham, who won the 2024 contest with nearly two-thirds of the vote and a 351,000-vote majority.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jun/23/bev-craig-stand-labour-candidate-greater-manchester-mayor


    I agree on the last - I am a pol and betting nerd and have never heard of her until this week.
  • theProletheProle Posts: 1,992
    edited June 24
    rcs1000 said:

    theProle said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/heat-mortality-monitoring-report-england-2025/heat-mortality-monitoring-report-england-2025

    Note that they are talking about episodes where the mean temperature hit… 22 and a bit degrees

    And they were noticing deaths in the statistics.

    The conclusion that care homes should have air-con is astonishingly obvious
    Everywhere should. The government should offer some kind of incentive for domestic houses to install solar panels + aircon as a package.
    solar panels + heat pumps please
    AC is an air-to-air heat pump.

    Previously they only promoted air-to-water heat pumps as an alternative to gas boilers but they're not always suitable for retrofitting as a like-for-like replacement which has damaged their image. The good thing about AC is that it complements whatever else you've got instead of attempting to replace it.
    A heat pump is just an AC unit with (a) a variable speed compressor, that can (b) run in reverse and therefore heat as well as cool.

    In our flat in London, we put in air conditioning about three years ago. In retrospect, we should have gone with a heat pump. But I guess we were probably about a year too early.
    I know I've said it before but our heat pump is keep the house really cool. It's currently 33.7 outside and 23.4 inside; it peaked at 35.7* outside and 24.2 inside.

    (*That's an absolute record high for us, not for June but for any month. We've been recording for 16 years.)
    They work for well insulated homes that have been designed for them.

    Stick them in an average British semi and they'd be shit. The output isn't good enough. They don't heat hot enough fast enough in Winter, and provide enough hot water when you need it, and take ages to cool a house down in the Summer.

    The rest is propaganda. They are expensive and a bit shit.

    This is why no-one buys one.
    That's not true at all. Just more deranged anti-wokism. I used to work in this area, designing heat pump systems for domestic homes. Any house built from 2010 onwards, which is a lot of houses, is suitable. Houses built earlier may be suitable, they may not be. It depends.
    At today's energy price cap prices:

    Gas 5.74p/kwh
    Electric 24.67p/kwh

    Gas combi boiler typically better than 92% efficiency.
    Thus 1kw of gas boiler output approx 5.74 / 0. 92 = 6.24p
    24.67 / 6.24 = 3.95 so for a Heat Pump to be cheaper than gas would require a system COP value greater than 3.95.

    Google suggests that's just about achievable with a good system, but a lot of installs won't be getting past 3.0 in typical usage.

    So the short answer is - most heat pumps are still more expensive to run than mains gas.

    There are a couple side notes to this.

    One is that lots of people install heat pumps and report substantial savings. Usually if you ask the pertinent questions, it becomes apparent that the heat pump install included a load of insulation - what is not realised is that the savings are usually all from the insulation.

    The other is that if you are willing to go on a time of day/price shifting electric tariff, it's possible for your electricity to cost vastly less than the cap. The snag is that it either means loads of extra cap-ex on a battery, or you get well and truly shafted on the "on peak" electricity price (even if your heat pump only runs on off peak electric, other appliances on your house may be less obliging).

    (in our climate, there is a strong anti-synergy with solar panels and heat pumps as solar output is usually dismal in the 3 months of the year you want the heating on) .
    Your gas price cap number is out of date: it's currently 7.3p.

    Plus, there are two provisos you need to add to this:

    (1) With the heat pump you also get cooling in summer!
    (2) If you have solar panels -and in time everyone will have solar panels- then your electricity price will be *much* closer to that gas per KWh number.
    My numbers are correct for today. Having looked a little further, you are however correct that the gas price cap goes up in July; although so does the electric price cap.

    Solar panels and a heat pump are virtually useless for heating the housing in the UK although they will work well to drive aircon.

    My inlaws have a fairly decent rooftop solar array, it generates about 3kw in full sun. Seasonal monthly production for 2024 (2025 is misleading as they had half the array down with a fault for 6 weeks).

    Jan 61kwh
    Feb 98kwh
    Mar 252kwh
    Apr 416kwh
    May 506kwh
    Jun 624kwh
    Jul 524kwh
    Aug 466kwh
    Sep 274kwh
    Oct 122kwh
    Nov 51kwh
    Dec 42kwh

    Their house uses about 270kwh/month with little seasonal variation (they have gas central heating), so October to Feb they are already importing electricity to make up the shortfall.

    Obviously they could fit more panels, but this is not free, they probably won't be able to export all the summer production (I'm not sure what DNO limit they have, probably 3.5kw), and at about double their present number of panels, they willl have used every inch of roof space, including some quite suboptimal bits.

    They'd have to completely cover the back garden in panels run a heatpump off solar in the winter, and would also need a substantial battery as the day to day variation is considerable (anything from 0.4kwh to 2.5kwh generated per day with their current system through January - by comparison it made 25kwh today).
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,923
    Instead of complaining about the hot weather in England, why not just move to where it's cooler?

    For example: https://www.antarcticanz.govt.nz/scott-base/webcams-weather
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,558

    FF43 said:

    FF43 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Does anyone remember what the Tories did at Blair's last PMQs? I think Badenoch was absolutely spot on to put the boot in.

    It's on YouTube. Night and day between Badenoch and Cameron, who was actually quite classy. The other thing, PMQs actually consisted of questions and answers on specific topics back in the day.
    Maybe then Kemi should be compared on her performance and generosity on Starmer's final PMQs which is on the 15th July
    Being minimally behaved isn't just for a final PMQs. Badenoch gratuitously insulted several other people than Starmer today. I don't like personalising but you don't come across as someone boorish at all, yet Badenoch's behaviour is perfectly OK?
    Kemi is feisty but watching it today it she took advantage of Labour's troubles that any politician would

    I would have joined the criticism if this had been Starmer's final pmqs
    Don’t worry about it @Big_G_NorthWales

    The only people complaining about it are people who have already decided they don’t like Kemi
  • Al Carns is just finding reasons not to run
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,229
    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2069885013865255185

    Trump on Mamdani: "He's a charming guy, good looking guy"
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,558

    I have a fairly new colleague who lives on my route

    He made a complaint about me to Royal Mail, as a customer last week

    as a bit of banter, or for real?
    For real

    His delivery point is ten yards from his neighbour’s. There’s a door gate in between. He complained because I used it

    He wanted me to reverse seventy yards up his drive, open and then close his heavy, slightly broken gate. Walk the rest of the way across his large garden, deliver walk back, open and close again, and then drive round to his neighbour, ten yards from his door

    He claims to be scared that I’ll let his loose running dog escape, and it’ll be mauled by the neighbour’s dogs
    Sp why didn’t he raise that with you privately?
    I don’t know. He seems to think that I’m “entitled”

    I think that it might be because he’s stupid and I have a posh voice
    Wait until he complains about you refusing to talk to him.

    And then file a harassment complaint
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,558
    Foxy said:

    I have a fairly new colleague who lives on my route

    He made a complaint about me to Royal Mail, as a customer last week

    as a bit of banter, or for real?
    For real

    His delivery point is ten yards from his neighbour’s. There’s a door gate in between. He complained because I used it

    He wanted me to reverse seventy yards up his drive, open and then close his heavy, slightly broken gate. Walk the rest of the way across his large garden, deliver walk back, open and close again, and then drive round to his neighbour, ten yards from his door

    He claims to be scared that I’ll let his loose running dog escape, and it’ll be mauled by the neighbour’s dogs
    Sp why didn’t he raise that with you privately?
    A lot of people get shirty when delivery people short cut from one house to the next. I was told not to do it when leafletting by the organiser.
    Sure but to formally complain to management. As a fellow postie?

  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,991
    Why would a postie think that I must antagonise this other postie who delivers to me?
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,261

    Al Carns is just finding reasons not to run

    Not having (anywhere close to) 81 MPs is a valid reason surely?
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,811


    Natasha Clark
    @NatashaC
    ·
    1h
    Bridget Phillipson tells @AndrewMarr9 @lbc she will go get a T-shirt saying “spiteful class warrior” after her spat with Kemi Badenoch

    Badenoch is a nasty piece of work.

    John Crace nails it:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jun/24/graceless-kemi-badenoch-keir-starmer-pmqs-sketch

    "Here was a chance for Kemi Badenoch to show her human side. To give the world a rare sighting of her empathy gene. But Kemi just can’t go there. She can’t read a room. She has only one mode. All-out attack. Other people’s moments of weakness are just material for her to use against them. Even now, she probably thinks she played a blinder at prime minister’s questions. A chance taken to humiliate Keir when he’s down. She has no idea how graceless she is. How charmless. All the more so because she has played no part in Starmer’s resignation. The Conservatives have just been bystanders. There has been no dramatic intervention by Kemi. No set piece in which she has exposed his weakness and forced the issue. Keir’s departure was purely between him and the Labour party. It was Keir’s MPs who had given up on him. No one else. "

    "The mad thing is that it would have taken so little for Kemi to have come out of PMQs looking good. In their first exchanges after a Downing Street resignation, it’s customary for the leader of the opposition to say something complimentary about the outgoing prime minister. It doesn’t even have to be very much. She could have said she admired his steadfast support for Ukraine. Or gone for the human touch. That she had enjoyed the conversations they had held in private. Had loved meeting his wife and kids. Wished him all the very best. But Kemi would rather die than do this. She sees kindness as a sign of weakness. It would have cost her what passes for her self-worth. Had she done this – allowed even a forced croak of kindness to escape her lips – then everything that followed would have been OK. Kemi would have bossed the show. As it was, she crashed and burned. Her language becoming progressively more angry and violent the longer she went on. It was the behaviour of a spoiled child. A playground bully whom her party doesn’t dare to call out."
    That got me trying to remember how Neil carried on when Maggie was ousted. I don't recall too much moist-eyed bonhomie. Wasn't there talk of 'this wretched woman here'?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,229
    Dopermean said:

    Al Carns is just finding reasons not to run

    Not having (anywhere close to) 81 MPs is a valid reason surely?
    Test One: Must be able to count to 81
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,197

    Foxy said:

    I have a fairly new colleague who lives on my route

    He made a complaint about me to Royal Mail, as a customer last week

    as a bit of banter, or for real?
    For real

    His delivery point is ten yards from his neighbour’s. There’s a door gate in between. He complained because I used it

    He wanted me to reverse seventy yards up his drive, open and then close his heavy, slightly broken gate. Walk the rest of the way across his large garden, deliver walk back, open and close again, and then drive round to his neighbour, ten yards from his door

    He claims to be scared that I’ll let his loose running dog escape, and it’ll be mauled by the neighbour’s dogs
    Sp why didn’t he raise that with you privately?
    A lot of people get shirty when delivery people short cut from one house to the next. I was told not to do it when leafletting by the organiser.
    Sure but to formally complain to management. As a fellow postie?

    Yeah, I would have a word first. Not that a postie could jump the hedge between me and my neighbour, which is a rather evil blackthorn.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,261
    Dopermean said:

    Al Carns is just finding reasons not to run

    Not having (anywhere close to) 81 MPs is a valid reason surely?
    No chance of a repeat of the hilarity of McDonnell or another lefty being nominated to make it a contest and beating Burnham handsomely, sadly. I'd vote for McDonnell, a mere youngster in US terms.
  • Can’t think why somebody would complain
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,197
    Interesting news of a secondary effect of covid vaccine on major cardiovascular events.

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2850241

    Quite a significant drop in events and in all cause mortality.
  • eekeek Posts: 34,207
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    I have a fairly new colleague who lives on my route

    He made a complaint about me to Royal Mail, as a customer last week

    as a bit of banter, or for real?
    For real

    His delivery point is ten yards from his neighbour’s. There’s a door gate in between. He complained because I used it

    He wanted me to reverse seventy yards up his drive, open and then close his heavy, slightly broken gate. Walk the rest of the way across his large garden, deliver walk back, open and close again, and then drive round to his neighbour, ten yards from his door

    He claims to be scared that I’ll let his loose running dog escape, and it’ll be mauled by the neighbour’s dogs
    Sp why didn’t he raise that with you privately?
    A lot of people get shirty when delivery people short cut from one house to the next. I was told not to do it when leafletting by the organiser.
    Sure but to formally complain to management. As a fellow postie?

    Yeah, I would have a word first. Not that a postie could jump the hedge between me and my neighbour, which is a rather evil blackthorn.
    I have a feeling that the postie wants a particular route and so needs to remove that routes current worker..
  • RogerRoger Posts: 23,166
    edited June 24

    FF43 said:

    FF43 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Does anyone remember what the Tories did at Blair's last PMQs? I think Badenoch was absolutely spot on to put the boot in.

    It's on YouTube. Night and day between Badenoch and Cameron, who was actually quite classy. The other thing, PMQs actually consisted of questions and answers on specific topics back in the day.
    Maybe then Kemi should be compared on her performance and generosity on Starmer's final PMQs which is on the 15th July
    Being minimally behaved isn't just for a final PMQs. Badenoch gratuitously insulted several other people than Starmer today. I don't like personalising but you don't come across as someone boorish at all, yet Badenoch's behaviour is perfectly OK?
    Kemi is feisty but watching it today it she took advantage of Labour's troubles that any politician would

    I would have joined the criticism if this had been Starmer's final pmqs
    Totally stupid thing to do. Politicians have few enough opportunities to show their nice side and she blew it. A more graceless performance would be difficult to imagine. That's the difference between classy politician like -dare I say it -Blair Cameron and Thatcher-- and second raters.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,558
    eek said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    I have a fairly new colleague who lives on my route

    He made a complaint about me to Royal Mail, as a customer last week

    as a bit of banter, or for real?
    For real

    His delivery point is ten yards from his neighbour’s. There’s a door gate in between. He complained because I used it

    He wanted me to reverse seventy yards up his drive, open and then close his heavy, slightly broken gate. Walk the rest of the way across his large garden, deliver walk back, open and close again, and then drive round to his neighbour, ten yards from his door

    He claims to be scared that I’ll let his loose running dog escape, and it’ll be mauled by the neighbour’s dogs
    Sp why didn’t he raise that with you privately?
    A lot of people get shirty when delivery people short cut from one house to the next. I was told not to do it when leafletting by the organiser.
    Sure but to formally complain to management. As a fellow postie?

    Yeah, I would have a word first. Not that a postie could jump the hedge between me and my neighbour, which is a rather evil blackthorn.
    I have a feeling that the postie wants a particular route and so needs to remove that routes current worker..
    You cynic, you
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,536
    Roger said:

    FF43 said:

    FF43 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Does anyone remember what the Tories did at Blair's last PMQs? I think Badenoch was absolutely spot on to put the boot in.

    It's on YouTube. Night and day between Badenoch and Cameron, who was actually quite classy. The other thing, PMQs actually consisted of questions and answers on specific topics back in the day.
    Maybe then Kemi should be compared on her performance and generosity on Starmer's final PMQs which is on the 15th July
    Being minimally behaved isn't just for a final PMQs. Badenoch gratuitously insulted several other people than Starmer today. I don't like personalising but you don't come across as someone boorish at all, yet Badenoch's behaviour is perfectly OK?
    Kemi is feisty but watching it today it she took advantage of Labour's troubles that any politician would

    I would have joined the criticism if this had been Starmer's final pmqs
    Totally stupid thing to do. Politicians have few enough opportunities to show their nice side and she blew it. A more graceless performance would be difficult to imagine. That's the difference between classy politician like -dare I say it -Blair Cameron and Thatcher-- and second raters.
    Once again - it wasn’t the last PMQs for Starmer. It’s like having three leaving do’s. By the third you’ll have run out of nice things to say…
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 6,360
    edited June 24
    DoctorG said:

    Bosnia 3-1 up now

    Scotland could be down to 6th in the runners up spots, with 10 groups to play if Brazil win by 2 goals

    Not stacked with confidence here

    The groups that I think could favour Scotland if they up at 3pts -2GD.

    Group A: I don't fancy either the Czechs or South Africa to beat Mexico or South Korea respectively.

    Group D : Paraguay will want to beat Australia, Australia will respond and I reckon could edge it. Would leave Paraguay lower than -2 on goal difference.

    Group E: I don't fancy either Curacao or Ecuador to beat Ivory Coast or Germany respectively

    Group H: I don't think Spain are nailed on to beat Uruguay, but it's a decent chance.

    Those 4 would be enough, I think 3 will come off.


    Less favourable groups for Scotland:

    Group F: Sweden can edge out by getting at least a point from Japan or possibly a narrow defeat

    Group G: I think Belgium get what they need against NZ, which would require Egypt to beat Iran for it to be Scotland favourable. There's a chance here.

    Group I: I think Senegal beat Iraq and probably by enough to leapfrog Scotland

    Group J: The one people are lining up for a fix. But let's assume honour, Austria can edge Algeria who would then have a worse GD than a Scotland that hadn't been overrun.

    Group K: I think Congo beat Uzbekistan, but if they don't it definitely falls in Scotland's favour.

    Group L: If Ghana beat Croatia (and Panama don't beat England), Croatia and Scotland's records are pretty close.


    I reckon 1 to 2 of these come off.

    So, by my best reckoning, Brazil 2 Scotland 0 = Scotland edge qualification as around 7th best 3rd place team.
  • The_WoodpeckerThe_Woodpecker Posts: 584
    theProle said:

    rcs1000 said:

    theProle said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/heat-mortality-monitoring-report-england-2025/heat-mortality-monitoring-report-england-2025

    Note that they are talking about episodes where the mean temperature hit… 22 and a bit degrees

    And they were noticing deaths in the statistics.

    The conclusion that care homes should have air-con is astonishingly obvious
    Everywhere should. The government should offer some kind of incentive for domestic houses to install solar panels + aircon as a package.
    solar panels + heat pumps please
    AC is an air-to-air heat pump.

    Previously they only promoted air-to-water heat pumps as an alternative to gas boilers but they're not always suitable for retrofitting as a like-for-like replacement which has damaged their image. The good thing about AC is that it complements whatever else you've got instead of attempting to replace it.
    A heat pump is just an AC unit with (a) a variable speed compressor, that can (b) run in reverse and therefore heat as well as cool.

    In our flat in London, we put in air conditioning about three years ago. In retrospect, we should have gone with a heat pump. But I guess we were probably about a year too early.
    I know I've said it before but our heat pump is keep the house really cool. It's currently 33.7 outside and 23.4 inside; it peaked at 35.7* outside and 24.2 inside.

    (*That's an absolute record high for us, not for June but for any month. We've been recording for 16 years.)
    They work for well insulated homes that have been designed for them.

    Stick them in an average British semi and they'd be shit. The output isn't good enough. They don't heat hot enough fast enough in Winter, and provide enough hot water when you need it, and take ages to cool a house down in the Summer.

    The rest is propaganda. They are expensive and a bit shit.

    This is why no-one buys one.
    That's not true at all. Just more deranged anti-wokism. I used to work in this area, designing heat pump systems for domestic homes. Any house built from 2010 onwards, which is a lot of houses, is suitable. Houses built earlier may be suitable, they may not be. It depends.
    At today's energy price cap prices:

    Gas 5.74p/kwh
    Electric 24.67p/kwh

    Gas combi boiler typically better than 92% efficiency.
    Thus 1kw of gas boiler output approx 5.74 / 0. 92 = 6.24p
    24.67 / 6.24 = 3.95 so for a Heat Pump to be cheaper than gas would require a system COP value greater than 3.95.

    Google suggests that's just about achievable with a good system, but a lot of installs won't be getting past 3.0 in typical usage.

    So the short answer is - most heat pumps are still more expensive to run than mains gas.

    There are a couple side notes to this.

    One is that lots of people install heat pumps and report substantial savings. Usually if you ask the pertinent questions, it becomes apparent that the heat pump install included a load of insulation - what is not realised is that the savings are usually all from the insulation.

    The other is that if you are willing to go on a time of day/price shifting electric tariff, it's possible for your electricity to cost vastly less than the cap. The snag is that it either means loads of extra cap-ex on a battery, or you get well and truly shafted on the "on peak" electricity price (even if your heat pump only runs on off peak electric, other appliances on your house may be less obliging).

    (in our climate, there is a strong anti-synergy with solar panels and heat pumps as solar output is usually dismal in the 3 months of the year you want the heating on) .
    Your gas price cap number is out of date: it's currently 7.3p.

    Plus, there are two provisos you need to add to this:

    (1) With the heat pump you also get cooling in summer!
    (2) If you have solar panels -and in time everyone will have solar panels- then your electricity price will be *much* closer to that gas per KWh number.
    My numbers are correct for today. Having looked a little further, you are however correct that the gas price cap goes up in July; although so does the electric price cap.

    Solar panels and a heat pump are virtually useless for heating the housing in the UK although they will work well to drive aircon.

    My inlaws have a fairly decent rooftop solar array, it generates about 3kw in full sun. Seasonal monthly production for 2024 (2025 is misleading as they had half the array down with a fault for 6 weeks).

    Jan 61kwh
    Feb 98kwh
    Mar 252kwh
    Apr 416kwh
    May 506kwh
    Jun 624kwh
    Jul 524kwh
    Aug 466kwh
    Sep 274kwh
    Oct 122kwh
    Nov 51kwh
    Dec 42kwh

    Their house uses about 270kwh/month with little seasonal variation (they have gas central heating), so October to Feb they are already importing electricity to make up the shortfall.

    Obviously they could fit more panels, but this is not free, they probably won't be able to export all the summer production (I'm not sure what DNO limit they have, probably 3.5kw), and at about double their present number of panels, they willl have used every inch of roof space, including some quite suboptimal bits.

    They'd have to completely cover the back garden in panels run a heatpump off solar in the winter, and would also need a substantial battery as the day to day variation is considerable (anything from 0.4kwh to 2.5kwh generated per day with their current system through January - by comparison it made 25kwh today).
    Actually, an air source heat pump is perfect for heating a house in the UK. It's all I've had for the last 8 years and no problems whatsoever.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,108
    Anyhoo.

    Brazil delenda est.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,923
    Dr. Foxy said: "Quite a significant drop in events and in all cause mortality."

    If you tell that to RFK, Jr., it will spoil his day -- which should be spoiled.

    (For the record: I believe it is likely that RFK, Jr. will do more harm to the US, and the rest of the world, than his boss, the Loser. Really.)
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,465
    edited June 24
    Roger said:

    FF43 said:

    FF43 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Does anyone remember what the Tories did at Blair's last PMQs? I think Badenoch was absolutely spot on to put the boot in.

    It's on YouTube. Night and day between Badenoch and Cameron, who was actually quite classy. The other thing, PMQs actually consisted of questions and answers on specific topics back in the day.
    Maybe then Kemi should be compared on her performance and generosity on Starmer's final PMQs which is on the 15th July
    Being minimally behaved isn't just for a final PMQs. Badenoch gratuitously insulted several other people than Starmer today. I don't like personalising but you don't come across as someone boorish at all, yet Badenoch's behaviour is perfectly OK?
    Kemi is feisty but watching it today it she took advantage of Labour's troubles that any politician would

    I would have joined the criticism if this had been Starmer's final pmqs
    Totally stupid thing to do. Politicians have few enough opportunities to show their nice side and she blew it. A more graceless performance would be difficult to imagine. That's the difference between classy politician like -dare I say it -Blair Cameron and Thatcher-- and second raters.
    You have, like others, misunderstood this was not Starmer last PMQs where tributes are traditional given across the house

    Come back on the 15th July after Starmer's last PMQs
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,197

    Dr. Foxy said: "Quite a significant drop in events and in all cause mortality."

    If you tell that to RFK, Jr., it will spoil his day -- which should be spoiled.

    (For the record: I believe it is likely that RFK, Jr. will do more harm to the US, and the rest of the world, than his boss, the Loser. Really.)

    It was a US Study done by the VA!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,197

    theProle said:

    rcs1000 said:

    theProle said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/heat-mortality-monitoring-report-england-2025/heat-mortality-monitoring-report-england-2025

    Note that they are talking about episodes where the mean temperature hit… 22 and a bit degrees

    And they were noticing deaths in the statistics.

    The conclusion that care homes should have air-con is astonishingly obvious
    Everywhere should. The government should offer some kind of incentive for domestic houses to install solar panels + aircon as a package.
    solar panels + heat pumps please
    AC is an air-to-air heat pump.

    Previously they only promoted air-to-water heat pumps as an alternative to gas boilers but they're not always suitable for retrofitting as a like-for-like replacement which has damaged their image. The good thing about AC is that it complements whatever else you've got instead of attempting to replace it.
    A heat pump is just an AC unit with (a) a variable speed compressor, that can (b) run in reverse and therefore heat as well as cool.

    In our flat in London, we put in air conditioning about three years ago. In retrospect, we should have gone with a heat pump. But I guess we were probably about a year too early.
    I know I've said it before but our heat pump is keep the house really cool. It's currently 33.7 outside and 23.4 inside; it peaked at 35.7* outside and 24.2 inside.

    (*That's an absolute record high for us, not for June but for any month. We've been recording for 16 years.)
    They work for well insulated homes that have been designed for them.

    Stick them in an average British semi and they'd be shit. The output isn't good enough. They don't heat hot enough fast enough in Winter, and provide enough hot water when you need it, and take ages to cool a house down in the Summer.

    The rest is propaganda. They are expensive and a bit shit.

    This is why no-one buys one.
    That's not true at all. Just more deranged anti-wokism. I used to work in this area, designing heat pump systems for domestic homes. Any house built from 2010 onwards, which is a lot of houses, is suitable. Houses built earlier may be suitable, they may not be. It depends.
    At today's energy price cap prices:

    Gas 5.74p/kwh
    Electric 24.67p/kwh

    Gas combi boiler typically better than 92% efficiency.
    Thus 1kw of gas boiler output approx 5.74 / 0. 92 = 6.24p
    24.67 / 6.24 = 3.95 so for a Heat Pump to be cheaper than gas would require a system COP value greater than 3.95.

    Google suggests that's just about achievable with a good system, but a lot of installs won't be getting past 3.0 in typical usage.

    So the short answer is - most heat pumps are still more expensive to run than mains gas.

    There are a couple side notes to this.

    One is that lots of people install heat pumps and report substantial savings. Usually if you ask the pertinent questions, it becomes apparent that the heat pump install included a load of insulation - what is not realised is that the savings are usually all from the insulation.

    The other is that if you are willing to go on a time of day/price shifting electric tariff, it's possible for your electricity to cost vastly less than the cap. The snag is that it either means loads of extra cap-ex on a battery, or you get well and truly shafted on the "on peak" electricity price (even if your heat pump only runs on off peak electric, other appliances on your house may be less obliging).

    (in our climate, there is a strong anti-synergy with solar panels and heat pumps as solar output is usually dismal in the 3 months of the year you want the heating on) .
    Your gas price cap number is out of date: it's currently 7.3p.

    Plus, there are two provisos you need to add to this:

    (1) With the heat pump you also get cooling in summer!
    (2) If you have solar panels -and in time everyone will have solar panels- then your electricity price will be *much* closer to that gas per KWh number.
    My numbers are correct for today. Having looked a little further, you are however correct that the gas price cap goes up in July; although so does the electric price cap.

    Solar panels and a heat pump are virtually useless for heating the housing in the UK although they will work well to drive aircon.

    My inlaws have a fairly decent rooftop solar array, it generates about 3kw in full sun. Seasonal monthly production for 2024 (2025 is misleading as they had half the array down with a fault for 6 weeks).

    Jan 61kwh
    Feb 98kwh
    Mar 252kwh
    Apr 416kwh
    May 506kwh
    Jun 624kwh
    Jul 524kwh
    Aug 466kwh
    Sep 274kwh
    Oct 122kwh
    Nov 51kwh
    Dec 42kwh

    Their house uses about 270kwh/month with little seasonal variation (they have gas central heating), so October to Feb they are already importing electricity to make up the shortfall.

    Obviously they could fit more panels, but this is not free, they probably won't be able to export all the summer production (I'm not sure what DNO limit they have, probably 3.5kw), and at about double their present number of panels, they willl have used every inch of roof space, including some quite suboptimal bits.

    They'd have to completely cover the back garden in panels run a heatpump off solar in the winter, and would also need a substantial battery as the day to day variation is considerable (anything from 0.4kwh to 2.5kwh generated per day with their current system through January - by comparison it made 25kwh today).
    Actually, an air source heat pump is perfect for heating a house in the UK. It's all I've had for the last 8 years and no problems whatsoever.
    Slightly peripheral to this but an interesting part of the rise of renewables, Australia now has free electricity for 3 hours each afternoon.

    https://billmckibben.substack.com/p/how-about-free-is-that-affordable?r=18ywu&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&triedRedirect=true

    Obviously solar works better for them than us, but we do have wind.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,137

    Anyhoo.

    Brazil delenda est.

    The Power of Scotland!
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,768


    Labour’s candidate to replace Andy Burnham as Greater Manchester mayor has been named as Bev Craig, the leader of the city council.

    Burnham, who could be prime minister in under four weeks, is expected to campaign heavily for Labour in a tight contest with Reform UK on 30 July.

    As many as 2 million people will be eligible to vote in the Greater Manchester byelection, making it the biggest in modern times in British politics.

    Craig, 41, has long been seen as a rising star within Labour and took over Manchester city council in 2021 at the age of 36, becoming only the third holder of the office in four decades and its first woman.

    Like many council leaders, however, she remains little-known to ordinary voters. A huge publicity blitz will pitch her as continuing the work of Burnham, who won the 2024 contest with nearly two-thirds of the vote and a 351,000-vote majority.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jun/23/bev-craig-stand-labour-candidate-greater-manchester-mayor


    I agree on the last - I am a pol and betting nerd and have never heard of her until this week.

    The rest of the country needs to pay more attention to Manchester.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,053
    This was before Makerfield and Aberdeen South, so may be overtaken by events.

    https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/brexit-10-brexit-might-just-have-killed-the-conservative-party/
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,229
    Burnham’s first interaction with Badenoch:

    https://x.com/andyburnhamgm/status/2069865776320774551
  • RogerRoger Posts: 23,166


    Natasha Clark
    @NatashaC
    ·
    1h
    Bridget Phillipson tells @AndrewMarr9 @lbc she will go get a T-shirt saying “spiteful class warrior” after her spat with Kemi Badenoch

    Badenoch is a nasty piece of work.

    John Crace nails it:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jun/24/graceless-kemi-badenoch-keir-starmer-pmqs-sketch

    "Here was a chance for Kemi Badenoch to show her human side. To give the world a rare sighting of her empathy gene. But Kemi just can’t go there. She can’t read a room. She has only one mode. All-out attack. Other people’s moments of weakness are just material for her to use against them. Even now, she probably thinks she played a blinder at prime minister’s questions. A chance taken to humiliate Keir when he’s down. She has no idea how graceless she is. How charmless. All the more so because she has played no part in Starmer’s resignation. The Conservatives have just been bystanders. There has been no dramatic intervention by Kemi. No set piece in which she has exposed his weakness and forced the issue. Keir’s departure was purely between him and the Labour party. It was Keir’s MPs who had given up on him. No one else. "

    "The mad thing is that it would have taken so little for Kemi to have come out of PMQs looking good. In their first exchanges after a Downing Street resignation, it’s customary for the leader of the opposition to say something complimentary about the outgoing prime minister. It doesn’t even have to be very much. She could have said she admired his steadfast support for Ukraine. Or gone for the human touch. That she had enjoyed the conversations they had held in private. Had loved meeting his wife and kids. Wished him all the very best. But Kemi would rather die than do this. She sees kindness as a sign of weakness. It would have cost her what passes for her self-worth. Had she done this – allowed even a forced croak of kindness to escape her lips – then everything that followed would have been OK. Kemi would have bossed the show. As it was, she crashed and burned. Her language becoming progressively more angry and violent the longer she went on. It was the behaviour of a spoiled child. A playground bully whom her party doesn’t dare to call out."
    There’s time enough for pleasantries. That’s not his last PMQs as PM, for a start. And frankly he is a graceless tosspot himself, as he has showed on many occasions. And John Crace is not the target audience.
    As one of the most graceless posters on here your advice on the subject is always worth listening to
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 810
    Pro_Rata said:

    DoctorG said:

    Bosnia 3-1 up now

    Scotland could be down to 6th in the runners up spots, with 10 groups to play if Brazil win by 2 goals

    Not stacked with confidence here

    The groups that I think could favour Scotland if they up at 3pts -2GD.

    Group A: I don't fancy either the Czechs or South Africa to beat Mexico or South Korea respectively.

    Group D : Paraguay will want to beat Australia, Australia will respond and I reckon could edge it. Would leave Paraguay lower than -2 on goal difference.

    Group E: I don't fancy either Curacao or Ecuador to beat Ivory Coast or Germany respectively

    Group H: I don't think Spain are nailed on to beat Uruguay, but it's a decent chance.

    Those 4 would be enough, I think 3 will come off.


    Less favourable groups for Scotland:

    Group F: Sweden can edge out by getting at least a point from Japan or possibly a narrow defeat

    Group G: I think Belgium get what they need against NZ, which would require Egypt to beat Iran for it to be Scotland favourable. There's a chance here.

    Group I: I think Senegal beat Iraq and probably by enough to leapfrog Scotland

    Group J: The one people are lining up for a fix. But let's assume honour, Austria can edge Algeria who would then have a worse GD than a Scotland that hadn't been overrun.

    Group K: I think Congo beat Uzbekistan, but if they don't it definitely falls in Scotland's favour.

    Group L: If Ghana beat Croatia (and Panama don't beat England), Croatia and Scotland's records are pretty close.


    I reckon 1 to 2 of these come off.

    So, by my best reckoning, Brazil 2 Scotland 0 = Scotland edge qualification as around 7th best 3rd place team.
    Agree with much of your analysis, assuming teams in group J won't muck around

    4 pts = definitely through

    3 points = cut off is likely to be around -3 goal diff

    The wait for teams finishing on 3 points will be agonising

    3 points -2 likely to be 7th/8th places

    This is close to the team Scotland fans wanted to see Shankland in and Scott McKenna in defence, lets see what happens
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,465
    Roger said:


    Natasha Clark
    @NatashaC
    ·
    1h
    Bridget Phillipson tells @AndrewMarr9 @lbc she will go get a T-shirt saying “spiteful class warrior” after her spat with Kemi Badenoch

    Badenoch is a nasty piece of work.

    John Crace nails it:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jun/24/graceless-kemi-badenoch-keir-starmer-pmqs-sketch

    "Here was a chance for Kemi Badenoch to show her human side. To give the world a rare sighting of her empathy gene. But Kemi just can’t go there. She can’t read a room. She has only one mode. All-out attack. Other people’s moments of weakness are just material for her to use against them. Even now, she probably thinks she played a blinder at prime minister’s questions. A chance taken to humiliate Keir when he’s down. She has no idea how graceless she is. How charmless. All the more so because she has played no part in Starmer’s resignation. The Conservatives have just been bystanders. There has been no dramatic intervention by Kemi. No set piece in which she has exposed his weakness and forced the issue. Keir’s departure was purely between him and the Labour party. It was Keir’s MPs who had given up on him. No one else. "

    "The mad thing is that it would have taken so little for Kemi to have come out of PMQs looking good. In their first exchanges after a Downing Street resignation, it’s customary for the leader of the opposition to say something complimentary about the outgoing prime minister. It doesn’t even have to be very much. She could have said she admired his steadfast support for Ukraine. Or gone for the human touch. That she had enjoyed the conversations they had held in private. Had loved meeting his wife and kids. Wished him all the very best. But Kemi would rather die than do this. She sees kindness as a sign of weakness. It would have cost her what passes for her self-worth. Had she done this – allowed even a forced croak of kindness to escape her lips – then everything that followed would have been OK. Kemi would have bossed the show. As it was, she crashed and burned. Her language becoming progressively more angry and violent the longer she went on. It was the behaviour of a spoiled child. A playground bully whom her party doesn’t dare to call out."
    There’s time enough for pleasantries. That’s not his last PMQs as PM, for a start. And frankly he is a graceless tosspot himself, as he has showed on many occasions. And John Crace is not the target audience.
    As one of the most graceless posters on here your advice on the subject is always worth listening to
    Prime Ministers receive tributes at their last PMQ so not today

    It is not difficult to understand the difference
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,775
    Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth has forced Gen. Christopher T. Donahue, the top U.S. Army commander in Europe, to retire, a blow to those who saw him as a key leader of the military’s push to adapt to a future battlefield dominated by drones and artificial intelligence, defense officials said.

    General Donahue is expected to relinquish command of U.S. Army Europe and Africa on July 2, the Army said in a statement. He plans to retire in August.

    The general has long been seen as one of the Army’s rising stars.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/24/us/politics/general-christopher-donahue-hegseth.html
  • https://x.com/mbdaytrading/status/2069698353307296240

    Andy Burnham is backing a proposal to scrap Council Tax and Stamp Duty, replacing them with a Proportional Property Tax (PPT).

    📌 Rate: 0.48% of current property value
    📌 Cap: £1,200 per year initially
    📌 Supporters claim 77% of households would save an average £556 annually

    A major reform if it ever gains traction. Winners and losers would depend heavily on property values and location.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,837

    Roger said:

    FF43 said:

    FF43 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Does anyone remember what the Tories did at Blair's last PMQs? I think Badenoch was absolutely spot on to put the boot in.

    It's on YouTube. Night and day between Badenoch and Cameron, who was actually quite classy. The other thing, PMQs actually consisted of questions and answers on specific topics back in the day.
    Maybe then Kemi should be compared on her performance and generosity on Starmer's final PMQs which is on the 15th July
    Being minimally behaved isn't just for a final PMQs. Badenoch gratuitously insulted several other people than Starmer today. I don't like personalising but you don't come across as someone boorish at all, yet Badenoch's behaviour is perfectly OK?
    Kemi is feisty but watching it today it she took advantage of Labour's troubles that any politician would

    I would have joined the criticism if this had been Starmer's final pmqs
    Totally stupid thing to do. Politicians have few enough opportunities to show their nice side and she blew it. A more graceless performance would be difficult to imagine. That's the difference between classy politician like -dare I say it -Blair Cameron and Thatcher-- and second raters.
    You have, like others, misunderstood this was not Starmer last PMQs where tributes are traditional given across the house

    Come back on the 15th July after Starmer's last PMQs
    She sometimes makes Mrs Thatcher look like Mary Poppins in comparison.

    However Mrs T wasn't competing with Nigel Farage for the attention of right wing voters. It may be ugly, but is probably sound politics. And in today's world a British PM can't afford to be a pussy with monsters like Putin and Trump stalking the planet.

    As BigG says, let's see what happens on 15 July.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,909
    Good luck Scotland!
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,941
    edited June 24
    I feel like I'm a long way away from the game. I mean obviously I am in physical terms, but just in terms of the camera angle.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,775
    General Donahue’s removal is said to be part of an ongoing push by Hegseth to put his imprint on the military’s leadership, while squeezing out officers with track records of battlefield valor and command experience in favor of less accomplished political loyalists, officers that fully support both himself and President Trump.

    https://x.com/sentdefender/status/2069773181334773907



    Only two more years and three or so months to go kids.

  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 7,206
    viewcode said:

    This was before Makerfield and Aberdeen South, so may be overtaken by events.

    https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/brexit-10-brexit-might-just-have-killed-the-conservative-party/

    The Tories and Labour have had so many obituaries written between them, that you’d think people would learn.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,536
    Roger said:


    Natasha Clark
    @NatashaC
    ·
    1h
    Bridget Phillipson tells @AndrewMarr9 @lbc she will go get a T-shirt saying “spiteful class warrior” after her spat with Kemi Badenoch

    Badenoch is a nasty piece of work.

    John Crace nails it:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jun/24/graceless-kemi-badenoch-keir-starmer-pmqs-sketch

    "Here was a chance for Kemi Badenoch to show her human side. To give the world a rare sighting of her empathy gene. But Kemi just can’t go there. She can’t read a room. She has only one mode. All-out attack. Other people’s moments of weakness are just material for her to use against them. Even now, she probably thinks she played a blinder at prime minister’s questions. A chance taken to humiliate Keir when he’s down. She has no idea how graceless she is. How charmless. All the more so because she has played no part in Starmer’s resignation. The Conservatives have just been bystanders. There has been no dramatic intervention by Kemi. No set piece in which she has exposed his weakness and forced the issue. Keir’s departure was purely between him and the Labour party. It was Keir’s MPs who had given up on him. No one else. "

    "The mad thing is that it would have taken so little for Kemi to have come out of PMQs looking good. In their first exchanges after a Downing Street resignation, it’s customary for the leader of the opposition to say something complimentary about the outgoing prime minister. It doesn’t even have to be very much. She could have said she admired his steadfast support for Ukraine. Or gone for the human touch. That she had enjoyed the conversations they had held in private. Had loved meeting his wife and kids. Wished him all the very best. But Kemi would rather die than do this. She sees kindness as a sign of weakness. It would have cost her what passes for her self-worth. Had she done this – allowed even a forced croak of kindness to escape her lips – then everything that followed would have been OK. Kemi would have bossed the show. As it was, she crashed and burned. Her language becoming progressively more angry and violent the longer she went on. It was the behaviour of a spoiled child. A playground bully whom her party doesn’t dare to call out."
    There’s time enough for pleasantries. That’s not his last PMQs as PM, for a start. And frankly he is a graceless tosspot himself, as he has showed on many occasions. And John Crace is not the target audience.
    As one of the most graceless posters on here your advice on the subject dede de is always worth listening to
    Graceless - never been called that before.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,137
    Oooops
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,536
    Oops
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,108
    FFS
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,661
    Oooops
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,536
    Home before the postcards? Like England from Brazil in 2014?
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,909
    😡😡😡
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,465

    Good luck Scotland!

    What a terrible defensive mistake by Scotland

    Scotland 0 Brasil 1
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,612
    theProle said:

    rcs1000 said:

    theProle said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/heat-mortality-monitoring-report-england-2025/heat-mortality-monitoring-report-england-2025

    Note that they are talking about episodes where the mean temperature hit… 22 and a bit degrees

    And they were noticing deaths in the statistics.

    The conclusion that care homes should have air-con is astonishingly obvious
    Everywhere should. The government should offer some kind of incentive for domestic houses to install solar panels + aircon as a package.
    solar panels + heat pumps please
    AC is an air-to-air heat pump.

    Previously they only promoted air-to-water heat pumps as an alternative to gas boilers but they're not always suitable for retrofitting as a like-for-like replacement which has damaged their image. The good thing about AC is that it complements whatever else you've got instead of attempting to replace it.
    A heat pump is just an AC unit with (a) a variable speed compressor, that can (b) run in reverse and therefore heat as well as cool.

    In our flat in London, we put in air conditioning about three years ago. In retrospect, we should have gone with a heat pump. But I guess we were probably about a year too early.
    I know I've said it before but our heat pump is keep the house really cool. It's currently 33.7 outside and 23.4 inside; it peaked at 35.7* outside and 24.2 inside.

    (*That's an absolute record high for us, not for June but for any month. We've been recording for 16 years.)
    They work for well insulated homes that have been designed for them.

    Stick them in an average British semi and they'd be shit. The output isn't good enough. They don't heat hot enough fast enough in Winter, and provide enough hot water when you need it, and take ages to cool a house down in the Summer.

    The rest is propaganda. They are expensive and a bit shit.

    This is why no-one buys one.
    That's not true at all. Just more deranged anti-wokism. I used to work in this area, designing heat pump systems for domestic homes. Any house built from 2010 onwards, which is a lot of houses, is suitable. Houses built earlier may be suitable, they may not be. It depends.
    At today's energy price cap prices:

    Gas 5.74p/kwh
    Electric 24.67p/kwh

    Gas combi boiler typically better than 92% efficiency.
    Thus 1kw of gas boiler output approx 5.74 / 0. 92 = 6.24p
    24.67 / 6.24 = 3.95 so for a Heat Pump to be cheaper than gas would require a system COP value greater than 3.95.

    Google suggests that's just about achievable with a good system, but a lot of installs won't be getting past 3.0 in typical usage.

    So the short answer is - most heat pumps are still more expensive to run than mains gas.

    There are a couple side notes to this.

    One is that lots of people install heat pumps and report substantial savings. Usually if you ask the pertinent questions, it becomes apparent that the heat pump install included a load of insulation - what is not realised is that the savings are usually all from the insulation.

    The other is that if you are willing to go on a time of day/price shifting electric tariff, it's possible for your electricity to cost vastly less than the cap. The snag is that it either means loads of extra cap-ex on a battery, or you get well and truly shafted on the "on peak" electricity price (even if your heat pump only runs on off peak electric, other appliances on your house may be less obliging).

    (in our climate, there is a strong anti-synergy with solar panels and heat pumps as solar output is usually dismal in the 3 months of the year you want the heating on) .
    Your gas price cap number is out of date: it's currently 7.3p.

    Plus, there are two provisos you need to add to this:

    (1) With the heat pump you also get cooling in summer!
    (2) If you have solar panels -and in time everyone will have solar panels- then your electricity price will be *much* closer to that gas per KWh number.
    My numbers are correct for today. Having looked a little further, you are however correct that the gas price cap goes up in July; although so does the electric price cap.

    Solar panels and a heat pump are virtually useless for heating the housing in the UK although they will work well to drive aircon.

    My inlaws have a fairly decent rooftop solar array, it generates about 3kw in full sun. Seasonal monthly production for 2024 (2025 is misleading as they had half the array down with a fault for 6 weeks).

    Jan 61kwh
    Feb 98kwh
    Mar 252kwh
    Apr 416kwh
    May 506kwh
    Jun 624kwh
    Jul 524kwh
    Aug 466kwh
    Sep 274kwh
    Oct 122kwh
    Nov 51kwh
    Dec 42kwh

    Their house uses about 270kwh/month with little seasonal variation (they have gas central heating), so October to Feb they are already importing electricity to make up the shortfall.

    Obviously they could fit more panels, but this is not free, they probably won't be able to export all the summer production (I'm not sure what DNO limit they have, probably 3.5kw), and at about double their present number of panels, they willl have used every inch of roof space, including some quite suboptimal bits.

    They'd have to completely cover the back garden in panels run a heatpump off solar in the winter, and would also need a substantial battery as the day to day variation is considerable (anything from 0.4kwh to 2.5kwh generated per day with their current system through January - by comparison it made 25kwh today).
    And that's why you have a grid connection: because there are going to be times you will want electricity from the grid. And you know what... a lot of the time, espcially in winter, that's going to be natural gas generating that electricity.

    Here's the thing: your inlaws have their total electricity usafge covered for seven months of the year, with a further two months where it's a significant chunk is covered, and for three months, solar is m'eh.

    And that's OK. Because that means that the UK burning essentially no natural gas or coal for 60% of the year for this house, and is seeing a decent saving on another 15%. For a quarter of the year, they still need to rely on natural gas. But that's fine because (being sensible) the UK has (or rather should) have been stockpiling and storing it.

  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,941
    Can't even get upset by it, it's just...meh.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,197
    DoctorG said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    DoctorG said:

    Bosnia 3-1 up now

    Scotland could be down to 6th in the runners up spots, with 10 groups to play if Brazil win by 2 goals

    Not stacked with confidence here

    The groups that I think could favour Scotland if they up at 3pts -2GD.

    Group A: I don't fancy either the Czechs or South Africa to beat Mexico or South Korea respectively.

    Group D : Paraguay will want to beat Australia, Australia will respond and I reckon could edge it. Would leave Paraguay lower than -2 on goal difference.

    Group E: I don't fancy either Curacao or Ecuador to beat Ivory Coast or Germany respectively

    Group H: I don't think Spain are nailed on to beat Uruguay, but it's a decent chance.

    Those 4 would be enough, I think 3 will come off.


    Less favourable groups for Scotland:

    Group F: Sweden can edge out by getting at least a point from Japan or possibly a narrow defeat

    Group G: I think Belgium get what they need against NZ, which would require Egypt to beat Iran for it to be Scotland favourable. There's a chance here.

    Group I: I think Senegal beat Iraq and probably by enough to leapfrog Scotland

    Group J: The one people are lining up for a fix. But let's assume honour, Austria can edge Algeria who would then have a worse GD than a Scotland that hadn't been overrun.

    Group K: I think Congo beat Uzbekistan, but if they don't it definitely falls in Scotland's favour.

    Group L: If Ghana beat Croatia (and Panama don't beat England), Croatia and Scotland's records are pretty close.


    I reckon 1 to 2 of these come off.

    So, by my best reckoning, Brazil 2 Scotland 0 = Scotland edge qualification as around 7th best 3rd place team.
    Agree with much of your analysis, assuming teams in group J won't muck around

    4 pts = definitely through

    3 points = cut off is likely to be around -3 goal diff

    The wait for teams finishing on 3 points will be agonising

    3 points -2 likely to be 7th/8th places

    This is close to the team Scotland fans wanted to see Shankland in and Scott McKenna in defence, lets see what happens
    Hmmm. Not very good so far.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,909

    Home before the postcards? Like England from Brazil in 2014?

    To be fair Scotland have won a game. Unlike England 2014
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 7,206

    General Donahue’s removal is said to be part of an ongoing push by Hegseth to put his imprint on the military’s leadership, while squeezing out officers with track records of battlefield valor and command experience in favor of less accomplished political loyalists, officers that fully support both himself and President Trump.

    https://x.com/sentdefender/status/2069773181334773907



    Only two more years and three or so months to go kids.

    The sad thing is the next lot will have to get rid of his politically appointed idiots, which the republicans will then say is itself followed by political appointments. And so the circle will go on, and America now has a politicised military.

    Trump has destroyed another institution.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,768

    https://x.com/mbdaytrading/status/2069698353307296240

    Andy Burnham is backing a proposal to scrap Council Tax and Stamp Duty, replacing them with a Proportional Property Tax (PPT).

    📌 Rate: 0.48% of current property value
    📌 Cap: £1,200 per year initially
    📌 Supporters claim 77% of households would save an average £556 annually

    A major reform if it ever gains traction. Winners and losers would depend heavily on property values and location.

    Why 0.48?
    Why not 0.5? It's so close as to make no difference and would be easier to work out.
    Hope it's going to go on empty properties held as investments too.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,768
    Goal difference could be vital. An attacking lineup may backfire here.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 7,206
    dixiedean said:

    https://x.com/mbdaytrading/status/2069698353307296240

    Andy Burnham is backing a proposal to scrap Council Tax and Stamp Duty, replacing them with a Proportional Property Tax (PPT).

    📌 Rate: 0.48% of current property value
    📌 Cap: £1,200 per year initially
    📌 Supporters claim 77% of households would save an average £556 annually

    A major reform if it ever gains traction. Winners and losers would depend heavily on property values and location.

    Why 0.48?
    Why not 0.5? It's so close as to make no difference and would be easier to work out.
    Hope it's going to go on empty properties held as investments too.
    Bet you 0.48& of the average house price gets you the target number.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,261

    General Donahue’s removal is said to be part of an ongoing push by Hegseth to put his imprint on the military’s leadership, while squeezing out officers with track records of battlefield valor and command experience in favor of less accomplished political loyalists, officers that fully support both himself and President Trump.

    https://x.com/sentdefender/status/2069773181334773907



    Only two more years and three or so months to go kids.

    7 months... If the Dems win I'd expect the lunacy and criminality to accelerate in the last months
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,909
    Bosnia winning earlier so getting 4 points was unhelpful for Scotland. Still 3 points with a not too bad goal difference -2 at worst should be ok to get through top 8 of 3rd place teams.
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 810
    Foxy said:

    DoctorG said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    DoctorG said:

    Bosnia 3-1 up now

    Scotland could be down to 6th in the runners up spots, with 10 groups to play if Brazil win by 2 goals

    Not stacked with confidence here

    The groups that I think could favour Scotland if they up at 3pts -2GD.

    Group A: I don't fancy either the Czechs or South Africa to beat Mexico or South Korea respectively.

    Group D : Paraguay will want to beat Australia, Australia will respond and I reckon could edge it. Would leave Paraguay lower than -2 on goal difference.

    Group E: I don't fancy either Curacao or Ecuador to beat Ivory Coast or Germany respectively

    Group H: I don't think Spain are nailed on to beat Uruguay, but it's a decent chance.

    Those 4 would be enough, I think 3 will come off.


    Less favourable groups for Scotland:

    Group F: Sweden can edge out by getting at least a point from Japan or possibly a narrow defeat

    Group G: I think Belgium get what they need against NZ, which would require Egypt to beat Iran for it to be Scotland favourable. There's a chance here.

    Group I: I think Senegal beat Iraq and probably by enough to leapfrog Scotland

    Group J: The one people are lining up for a fix. But let's assume honour, Austria can edge Algeria who would then have a worse GD than a Scotland that hadn't been overrun.

    Group K: I think Congo beat Uzbekistan, but if they don't it definitely falls in Scotland's favour.

    Group L: If Ghana beat Croatia (and Panama don't beat England), Croatia and Scotland's records are pretty close.


    I reckon 1 to 2 of these come off.

    So, by my best reckoning, Brazil 2 Scotland 0 = Scotland edge qualification as around 7th best 3rd place team.
    Agree with much of your analysis, assuming teams in group J won't muck around

    4 pts = definitely through

    3 points = cut off is likely to be around -3 goal diff

    The wait for teams finishing on 3 points will be agonising

    3 points -2 likely to be 7th/8th places

    This is close to the team Scotland fans wanted to see Shankland in and Scott McKenna in defence, lets see what happens
    Hmmm. Not very good so far.
    He should have stuck with Hanley. Steve Clarke can't win either way
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,768
    That PPT would do wonders for the good people of Makerfield. Loads of money available to spend in the local economy.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 7,206
    Too early to judge. Brazil often don’t like the game being taken to them.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,909
    dixiedean said:

    https://x.com/mbdaytrading/status/2069698353307296240

    Andy Burnham is backing a proposal to scrap Council Tax and Stamp Duty, replacing them with a Proportional Property Tax (PPT).

    📌 Rate: 0.48% of current property value
    📌 Cap: £1,200 per year initially
    📌 Supporters claim 77% of households would save an average £556 annually

    A major reform if it ever gains traction. Winners and losers would depend heavily on property values and location.

    Why 0.48?
    Why not 0.5? It's so close as to make no difference and would be easier to work out.
    Hope it's going to go on empty properties held as investments too.
    I think it's x2 on investment, second properties etc. Should be x5
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