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  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 7,198

    Sandpit said:

    Looking at the PB annual competition entry list, precisely no-one has Burnham to be PM by the end of the year.
    Entry List

    I was the visionary who set that question!
    I always get those two mixed up. Obviously I meant Burnham. Can someone retrospectively change my entry?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,152
    viewcode said:

    If the BBC photo is accurate, the lectern has the crest on it, so it's Govt business not party business. Doesn't that mean he's not resigning as party leader

    Lammy not looking happy.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,571
    Starmer didn't make the expected 8am time then?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,632
    Foxy said:

    viewcode said:

    If the BBC photo is accurate, the lectern has the crest on it, so it's Govt business not party business. Doesn't that mean he's not resigning as party leader

    Lammy not looking happy.
    Starmer next FS
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,379
    Foxy said:

    carnforth said:

    "Burnham has stated that he primarily defines his identity as British rather than English, which he has attributed to his Irish heritage. He has said that he sees himself as British first, a north-westerner second, a Liverpudlian third and English fourth."

    Oh dear. He's one of those.

    He is in the majority then:

    "More than half of the usual resident population (54.8%, 32.7 million) chose a "British" only national identity in 2021, which is a rise of 35.8 percentage points from 19.1% (10.7 million) in 2011. The opposite trend was seen for the "English" only identity. This fell by 42.8 percentage points, from 57.7% (32.4 million) in 2011 to 14.9% (8.9 million) in 2021."

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/ethnicity/bulletins/nationalidentityenglandandwales/census2021#:~:text=English identity in England,-In England:&text=56.8% of people selected a,or 42.2 million, in 2011)

    I was referring more to the claiming to have four different identities in a defined order. Very teenage.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,989
    edited 8:34AM
    No.10 staff have apparently had the briefing. He’s resigning as PM.

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2068970485153431899

    (One suspects there will be a timescale, and he isn’t about to go and see His Majesty today!)
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,107
    Keir Starmer, we hardly knew ye.

    Rest of the Cabinet present to ensure he goes through with it.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,012
    IanB2 said:

    viewcode said:

    If the BBC photo is accurate, the lectern has the crest on it, so it's Govt business not party business. Doesn't that mean he's not resigning as party leader

    Resigning as PM is government business.
    I know. But previously PMs have resigned as party leader and stayed in post until the new leader is elected, then resigns as PM. I can't remember whether the first announcement is party business (no crest) or Govt business (crest)
  • SandraMcSandraMc Posts: 860
    What's the singing in the background?
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 2,147
    viewcode said:

    If the BBC photo is accurate, the lectern has the crest on it, so it's Govt business not party business. Doesn't that mean he's not resigning as party leader

    General election!
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,414
    SandraMc said:

    What's the singing in the background?

    Sounds like EU anthem
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,989

    Starmer didn't make the expected 8am time then?

    Late to his own funeral.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,699
    edited 8:34AM
    He's done a lot, this Starmer chap. Maybe he should carry on.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,152
    SandraMc said:

    What's the singing in the background?

    Ode to Joy

    Presumably pro-Rejoin protesters.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,463
    Why is that music playing in the background?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,398
    Andy_JS said:

    Why is that music playing in the background?

    The sound of freedom
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,245
    Andy_JS said:

    Why is that music playing in the background?

    Isn't that from the pro-EU protestor?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,398
    Keith luv, if everything you say was true, you wouldn't have been forced to resign.

    I will not miss this monotonous tone
  • eekeek Posts: 34,149
    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    AnneJGP said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Has Mr Burnham given any indication whether he'd support the Parliament Act being used to force the Assisted Dying bill through? Or can't the PM influence it given that another private member has chosen to bring it back?

    There was an article over the weekend which said Burnham's Catholicism might be an issue on this.

    Regardless of PM the bill is unlikely to pass the Commons anyway.

    It barely passed last time, and only with certain safeguards which were then removed by the likes of Lord Falconer.
    Thank you, interesting. When it said bring back the exact same bill I thought it meant without the Lords' amendments.
    In order to use the Parliament Act, the Commons needs to pass the exact same Bill in two different sessions.

    So yes, they’re trying to get it through without the Lords’ amendments.

    The horror stories out of Canada on MAID (as they call it there) are terrifying.
    They are. They’re really frightening

    I can see loads of money grasping relatives despatching granny for the inheritance and to stop her incurring care fees.
    This message is supported by the keep care homes in business PAC.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,463

    Andy_JS said:

    Why is that music playing in the background?

    Isn't that from the pro-EU protestor?
    I don't know, but probably.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,466
    biggles said:

    Go on Keir - say "Fuck you Burnham, I'm staying."

    “What if the announcement is that there’s no announcement?”


    He's just laid out what he's done in a positive light. Now say - give me another mandate - I'm calling an Election...
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,504
    edited 8:35AM
    Foxy said:

    SandraMc said:

    What's the singing in the background?

    Ode to Joy

    Presumably pro-Rejoin protesters.
    God they really never pack it in do they.....
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,632
    Breaking: Yes, he's resigning!
  • SandraMcSandraMc Posts: 860
    He resigns.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,571
    I keep on drifting off. Something about Starmer makes it hard to follow him talking.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,414
    Resigned and informed the King
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,152
    Mortimer said:

    Foxy said:

    SandraMc said:

    What's the singing in the background?

    Ode to Joy

    Presumably pro-Rejoin protesters.
    God they really never pack it in do they.....
    They have now.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,028
    Nominations open July 9th.
  • So new PM July time?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,571
    9th July for nominations to open. Lol.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,632
    Staying on until the end of the leadership contest...but will there be one?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,012
    edited 8:38AM
    [superseded]
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,414

    Nominations open July 9th.

    Do you think it will get that far ?
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 2,043

    viewcode said:

    If the BBC photo is accurate, the lectern has the crest on it, so it's Govt business not party business. Doesn't that mean he's not resigning as party leader

    Maybe he’s calling an election
    That would be... spectacular
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,203
    Starmer resigns as leader of the Labour party and NEC will start the process of electing a new leader in July. Starmer will remain as PM until September and the new leader is elected
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 8,313

    So new PM July time?

    No, a three month lame duck period. God knows why that is considered reasonable. Nominations should open tomorrow, not 9 July
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,632
    Touch of the Mrs Mays incoming at the end
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,733
    Why 9th July?
    Nominations for Labour candidate for GM Mayor closed yesterday.
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 2,147
    Bit wobbly at the end (like May) but hey ho, it's a tough old game.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 8,313

    I feel bad when their voices start to quiver.

    He should have realised he wasn't up to it and planned his own exit months ago.

    Unless he is a closet Burnham supporter I suppose..
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,245
    HYUFD said:

    Starmer resigns as leader of the Labour party and NEC will start the process of electing a new leader in July. Starmer will remain as PM until September and the new leader is elected

    A timeline that seems to presume a contest, but if there's no contest, a new leader will be elected by the end of July, no?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,632
    edited 8:39AM
    There's an EU-UK summit on 22 July, which I'd expect he will want to lead. Hopefully to announce that GB pet owners will be getting our EU pet passports back at some point in 2027.
  • So new PM July time?

    No, a three month lame duck period. God knows why that is considered reasonable. Nominations should open tomorrow, not 9 July
    9th July, 3 weeks of "nominations" then Burnham PM by end of July
  • SandraMcSandraMc Posts: 860
    Mortimer said:

    Foxy said:

    SandraMc said:

    What's the singing in the background?

    Ode to Joy

    Presumably pro-Rejoin protesters.
    God they really never pack it in do they.....
    They're back again.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,152

    Nominations open July 9th.

    So closing 6 days later?

    Potentially only one candidate?,
  • I feel bad when their voices start to quiver.

    He should have realised he wasn't up to it and planned his own exit months ago.

    Unless he is a closet Burnham supporter I suppose..
    He supported Burnham in 2015
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,175
    If Burnham is the only nominee, will they still string it out to September? That would surely be unsustainable.
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 717
    I see that tit is still outside Downing Street blasting his shÌte over every live broadcast
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,411
    edited 8:39AM
    When do we get all the Labour MPs who were busy knifing him coming out with vomit inducing platitudes about his dignified exit ?
  • eekeek Posts: 34,149

    I feel bad when their voices start to quiver.

    He should have realised he wasn't up to it and planned his own exit months ago.

    Unless he is a closet Burnham supporter I suppose..
    Looking at the cabinet you can see why you may want to wait until Burnham is back in Parliament.

    Remember - no one sane is going into politics there are easier ways to change things
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,571
    HYUFD said:

    Starmer resigns as leader of the Labour party and NEC will start the process of electing a new leader in July. Starmer will remain as PM until September and the new leader is elected

    If only one person [Burnham] is nominated then Starmer will be out in July, when nominations close.

    He only stays on until September if there's a second candidate nominated so it guess to a vote among the membership, etc.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,989

    Sandpit said:

    Looking at the PB annual competition entry list, precisely no-one has Burnham to be PM by the end of the year.
    Entry List

    I was the visionary who set that question!
    In fact only five people of 66 said that AB would be an MP.

    A week’s a long time in politics, five months is an eternity.
  • He said AT THE LATEST by September. That's just a formality.

    Burnham will engineer a coronation and end of story. He will be PM by August.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,632
    Things continue to hot up between Italy and the US - although this comes from a travel not an official news source:

    The Italian Government announces they will boycott 4 July celebrations at US bases and US embassy.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,699
    Foxy said:

    SandraMc said:

    What's the singing in the background?

    Ode to Joy

    Presumably pro-Rejoin protesters.
    Do the news broadcasters need to pay royalties for rebroadcasting Ode to Joy?
  • HYUFD said:

    Starmer resigns as leader of the Labour party and NEC will start the process of electing a new leader in July. Starmer will remain as PM until September and the new leader is elected

    If only one person [Burnham] is nominated then Starmer will be out in July, when nominations close.

    He only stays on until September if there's a second candidate nominated so it guess to a vote among the membership, etc.
    Exactly. This is Brown all over again.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,203

    If Burnham is the only nominee, will they still string it out to September? That would surely be unsustainable.

    Rumour yesterday was Starmer backing MPs would nominate Streeting to ensure Burnham faces a leadership contest
  • eekeek Posts: 34,149
    edited 8:41AM

    If Burnham is the only nominee, will they still string it out to September? That would surely be unsustainable.

    We don’t know - surely it’s possible that it’s what Burnham wants (reports over the weekend said multiple things so who knows)
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,172
    Foxy said:

    Nominations open July 9th.

    So closing 6 days later?

    Potentially only one candidate?,
    Think that is inevitable now. So mid July for Starmer's departure. Let no one claim that the Tories are the ruthless party anymore.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 8,313

    So new PM July time?

    No, a three month lame duck period. God knows why that is considered reasonable. Nominations should open tomorrow, not 9 July
    9th July, 3 weeks of "nominations" then Burnham PM by end of July
    That only works if there is only one candidate. Being a supporter of democracy, I see elections as positive, not divisive, and the Labour Party should want to have one
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,975
    F##king Steve Bray again. I thought they passed a law to take his equipment off him for his stupid stunts.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 48,055
    carnforth said:

    "Burnham has stated that he primarily defines his identity as British rather than English, which he has attributed to his Irish heritage. He has said that he sees himself as British first, a north-westerner second, a Liverpudlian third and English fourth."

    Oh dear. He's one of those.

    And Scotland Understander fifth.

    NEW: Andy Burnham 'understands Scotland deeply' as he's from the north of England, a Labour MP has claimed

    https://x.com/scotnational/status/2068650613722755503?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,895
    Sandpit said:

    Starmer didn't make the expected 8am time then?

    Late to his own funeral.
    Starmer passed the paperwork across Starmer’s desk to facilitate the resignation.

    However the paperwork was not the Resignation Of The PM. It was the resignation of the PM - which isn’t actually a resignation, according to the Act Of The Chamberpots (Ethlred The Forgettable, 798).

    So Starmer hadn’t actually informed Starmer, which means that Starmer didn’t get the paperwork to actually pass over Starmer’s desk.

    Starmer is very angry at this. And will fire everyone uninvolved - Larry the Cat, for a start.
  • So new PM July time?

    No, a three month lame duck period. God knows why that is considered reasonable. Nominations should open tomorrow, not 9 July
    9th July, 3 weeks of "nominations" then Burnham PM by end of July
    That only works if there is only one candidate. Being a supporter of democracy, I see elections as positive, not divisive, and the Labour Party should want to have one
    Yeah but I am talking about what I think will happen. There won't be a contest.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,028

    NEW THREAD

  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,632

    HYUFD said:

    Starmer resigns as leader of the Labour party and NEC will start the process of electing a new leader in July. Starmer will remain as PM until September and the new leader is elected

    If only one person [Burnham] is nominated then Starmer will be out in July, when nominations close.

    He only stays on until September if there's a second candidate nominated so it guess to a vote among the membership, etc.
    Hopefully that's the plan. Gives Burnham a bit of time to do some planning - there were stories this morning that Burnham's people were looking for a few months to work out what he was going to do. And allows Starmer to lead the UK team to the EU summit before bowing out on a relative high.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 10,156
    Sweeney74 said:

    I see that tit is still outside Downing Street blasting his shÌte over every live broadcast

    Someone should secretly creep up behind him with wirecutters and cut the power lead. then disappear into the crowd.
  • GarethoftheVale2GarethoftheVale2 Posts: 2,543
    Guess TSE is going to need to update his bar chart about prime ministers being forced out by each party…
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 48,055
    edited 8:48AM
    Sweeney74 said:

    I see that tit is still outside Downing Street blasting his shÌte over every live broadcast

    Give Sir Keir a break this one time for God's sake.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,379

    carnforth said:

    "Burnham has stated that he primarily defines his identity as British rather than English, which he has attributed to his Irish heritage. He has said that he sees himself as British first, a north-westerner second, a Liverpudlian third and English fourth."

    Oh dear. He's one of those.

    And Scotland Understander fifth.

    NEW: Andy Burnham 'understands Scotland deeply' as he's from the north of England, a Labour MP has claimed

    https://x.com/scotnational/status/2068650613722755503?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
    I live close to France. I shall start opining on french matters but immediately.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,571
    So, Friday 17th for the handover with KCIII, exactly 106 weeks after starting the job on Friday 5th July 2024. About 15 Trusses.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,398
    Streeting has done a deal with Burnham. You heard it here first...
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,398

    So new PM July time?

    No, a three month lame duck period. God knows why that is considered reasonable. Nominations should open tomorrow, not 9 July
    9th July, 3 weeks of "nominations" then Burnham PM by end of July
    That only works if there is only one candidate. Being a supporter of democracy, I see elections as positive, not divisive, and the Labour Party should want to have one
    The absurdity is the 3 weeks. There is only one candidate. It will be clear before 9th July that there will be only one.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,571

    So new PM July time?

    No, a three month lame duck period. God knows why that is considered reasonable. Nominations should open tomorrow, not 9 July
    9th July, 3 weeks of "nominations" then Burnham PM by end of July
    That only works if there is only one candidate. Being a supporter of democracy, I see elections as positive, not divisive, and the Labour Party should want to have one
    The absurdity is the 3 weeks. There is only one candidate. It will be clear before 9th July that there will be only one.
    So what does Burnham do with that time?
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 8,313

    So new PM July time?

    No, a three month lame duck period. God knows why that is considered reasonable. Nominations should open tomorrow, not 9 July
    9th July, 3 weeks of "nominations" then Burnham PM by end of July
    That only works if there is only one candidate. Being a supporter of democracy, I see elections as positive, not divisive, and the Labour Party should want to have one
    The absurdity is the 3 weeks. There is only one candidate. It will be clear before 9th July that there will be only one.
    So what does Burnham do with that time?
    Sorts out his team, works out his programme for government, hits the ground running...

    Oh no it will be the summer recess and then the conference season so fuck all will happen until October. Just like 2024.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,990

    MelonB said:

    IanB2 said:

    According to the BBC forecast, on Thursday after lunch while France will be even hotter than the UK, we're forecast to top almost everywhere in Europe including Iberia and Greece, most of Italy and all of central and eastern Europe, as well as Morocco, with only central Italy, Albania, Algeria and Syria running us close with forecasts at 34-35C.

    Good job Fifa didnt award us the World Cup or we would need advert breaks every 15 minutes!
    It would have been a fantastic way to reverse stereotypes about British weather.
    At this rate the Gulf states will not be decamping to London to avoid the summer heat...
    On the plus side, the solar death ray is working at optimal capacity.
    I look forward to the opening of the ballot for initial trial candidates.
    To be fair, Archimedes beat me to the punch by about two thousand years.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 7,198
    These things snowball. Now Streeting has pulled out, it will be done and dusted in days and the pressure on Burnham to take over in days will increase. Nobody will listen to Starmer any more. Why should they?
  • Lol Streeting never had the numbers
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