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  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,990
    One would hope so, given their landslide majority.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,245
    FPT…
    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    For @Sandpit

    https://x.com/jamestate121/status/2068809990890983771

    Step 1: Remove filters in Reflecting Pool because Obama put them in.
    Step 2: Give your criminal neighbor who runs "Greenwater Services" a $20 million no-bid contract to paint the pool.
    Step 3: Fill the pool with water from the Potomac River, the phosphates from which cause algae blooms.
    Step 4: Freshly sealed pool and extreme heat result in a super scum event
    Step 5: Direct National Park Service to dump hydrogen peroxide into the pool which causes the paint to peel.
    Step 5: Deploy US National Guard to stop people from taking photos of the swamp as a perfect metaphor for the administration.
    Step 6: Blame someone else.

    Can’t count to six, typical intelligence level for US Democrats.
    There is a 24/7 camera that shows the reflecting pool. If someone went into the pool and made a 250 foot gash, it would have been seen.

    Trump is lying again. Everyone knows it, but the people at @TheJusticeDept are randomly going after people to soothe trump’s fragile ego.

    https://x.com/tedlieu/status/2068825248800317483

    Still in denial ?
    Ah yes, that famously truthful Member of Congress making his partisan points.
    Are you saying the 24/7 camera doesn’t exist?
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,417
    Labour are not afraid of Reform - a party by a grifter. The knifing of their leader in the back is purely coincidental.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 13,516

    FPT…

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    For @Sandpit

    https://x.com/jamestate121/status/2068809990890983771

    Step 1: Remove filters in Reflecting Pool because Obama put them in.
    Step 2: Give your criminal neighbor who runs "Greenwater Services" a $20 million no-bid contract to paint the pool.
    Step 3: Fill the pool with water from the Potomac River, the phosphates from which cause algae blooms.
    Step 4: Freshly sealed pool and extreme heat result in a super scum event
    Step 5: Direct National Park Service to dump hydrogen peroxide into the pool which causes the paint to peel.
    Step 5: Deploy US National Guard to stop people from taking photos of the swamp as a perfect metaphor for the administration.
    Step 6: Blame someone else.

    Can’t count to six, typical intelligence level for US Democrats.
    There is a 24/7 camera that shows the reflecting pool. If someone went into the pool and made a 250 foot gash, it would have been seen.

    Trump is lying again. Everyone knows it, but the people at @TheJusticeDept are randomly going after people to soothe trump’s fragile ego.

    https://x.com/tedlieu/status/2068825248800317483

    Still in denial ?
    Ah yes, that famously truthful Member of Congress making his partisan points.
    Are you saying the 24/7 camera doesn’t exist?
    It’s a world where whatever your opponent says is a lie. We have to come to terms with it. The assumption of good faith left town a long time ago.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 13,516

    FPT…

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    For @Sandpit

    https://x.com/jamestate121/status/2068809990890983771

    Step 1: Remove filters in Reflecting Pool because Obama put them in.
    Step 2: Give your criminal neighbor who runs "Greenwater Services" a $20 million no-bid contract to paint the pool.
    Step 3: Fill the pool with water from the Potomac River, the phosphates from which cause algae blooms.
    Step 4: Freshly sealed pool and extreme heat result in a super scum event
    Step 5: Direct National Park Service to dump hydrogen peroxide into the pool which causes the paint to peel.
    Step 5: Deploy US National Guard to stop people from taking photos of the swamp as a perfect metaphor for the administration.
    Step 6: Blame someone else.

    Can’t count to six, typical intelligence level for US Democrats.
    There is a 24/7 camera that shows the reflecting pool. If someone went into the pool and made a 250 foot gash, it would have been seen.

    Trump is lying again. Everyone knows it, but the people at @TheJusticeDept are randomly going after people to soothe trump’s fragile ego.

    https://x.com/tedlieu/status/2068825248800317483

    Still in denial ?
    Ah yes, that famously truthful Member of Congress making his partisan points.
    Are you saying the 24/7 camera doesn’t exist?
    It’s a world where whatever your opponent says is a lie. We have to come to terms with it. The assumption of good faith left town a long time ago.
  • I’m not sure why Burnham wants to wait until September.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,527
    Still seems to me that lots of people are betting with their hearts, to put Reform so high.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,228
    So conclusion is England cricketer twice innocent victim of violent attack by drunk rugby twat? Surprised the club's security hadn't deposited him on the pavement after the first altercation.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 23,091
    Here's a cheerful thought.

    If Burnham succeeds, it kippers Reform.

    If Burnham fails, it's an object lesson in how running the country is no job for a newbie. Which also kippers Reform.

    Any sign of Lectern Guy yet? What is it with PMs picking really unsuitable days to be outside?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 23,091

    I’m not sure why Burnham wants to wait until September.

    As unambiguously Scouse poet, Roger McGough, put it,

    I wanna be the leader
    I wanna be the leader
    Can I be the leader?
    Can I? I can?
    Promise? Promise?
    Yippee I'm the leader
    I'm the leader

    OK what shall we do?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,989
    edited 7:16AM

    FPT…

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    For @Sandpit

    https://x.com/jamestate121/status/2068809990890983771

    Step 1: Remove filters in Reflecting Pool because Obama put them in.
    Step 2: Give your criminal neighbor who runs "Greenwater Services" a $20 million no-bid contract to paint the pool.
    Step 3: Fill the pool with water from the Potomac River, the phosphates from which cause algae blooms.
    Step 4: Freshly sealed pool and extreme heat result in a super scum event
    Step 5: Direct National Park Service to dump hydrogen peroxide into the pool which causes the paint to peel.
    Step 5: Deploy US National Guard to stop people from taking photos of the swamp as a perfect metaphor for the administration.
    Step 6: Blame someone else.

    Can’t count to six, typical intelligence level for US Democrats.
    There is a 24/7 camera that shows the reflecting pool. If someone went into the pool and made a 250 foot gash, it would have been seen.

    Trump is lying again. Everyone knows it, but the people at @TheJusticeDept are randomly going after people to soothe trump’s fragile ego.

    https://x.com/tedlieu/status/2068825248800317483

    Still in denial ?
    Ah yes, that famously truthful Member of Congress making his partisan points.
    Are you saying the 24/7 camera doesn’t exist?
    Has anybody actually suggested there’s not CCTV in the area?

    I’ve not been to Washington for a long time, but I would suspect there’s probably cameras in a public park.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,989
    Larry’s surprised it’s taken this long…

    https://x.com/number10cat/status/2068944469156618259
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,245
    Sandpit said:

    FPT…

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    For @Sandpit

    https://x.com/jamestate121/status/2068809990890983771

    Step 1: Remove filters in Reflecting Pool because Obama put them in.
    Step 2: Give your criminal neighbor who runs "Greenwater Services" a $20 million no-bid contract to paint the pool.
    Step 3: Fill the pool with water from the Potomac River, the phosphates from which cause algae blooms.
    Step 4: Freshly sealed pool and extreme heat result in a super scum event
    Step 5: Direct National Park Service to dump hydrogen peroxide into the pool which causes the paint to peel.
    Step 5: Deploy US National Guard to stop people from taking photos of the swamp as a perfect metaphor for the administration.
    Step 6: Blame someone else.

    Can’t count to six, typical intelligence level for US Democrats.
    There is a 24/7 camera that shows the reflecting pool. If someone went into the pool and made a 250 foot gash, it would have been seen.

    Trump is lying again. Everyone knows it, but the people at @TheJusticeDept are randomly going after people to soothe trump’s fragile ego.

    https://x.com/tedlieu/status/2068825248800317483

    Still in denial ?
    Ah yes, that famously truthful Member of Congress making his partisan points.
    Are you saying the 24/7 camera doesn’t exist?
    Has anybody actually suggested there’s not CCTV in the area?

    I’ve not been to Washington for a long time, but I would suspect there’s probably cameras in a public park.
    Then what part of Lieu’s tweet are you questioning?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,632
    My best lay in this market was Reform at 2.02 (now offered at 3.2). I reckon that's still a good bet.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,989
    Looks like Moscow’s on fire again!

    https://x.com/tendar/status/2068945927285407750

    Day 1580 of the three-day war.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,632

    Here's a cheerful thought.

    If Burnham succeeds, it kippers Reform.

    If Burnham fails, it's an object lesson in how running the country is no job for a newbie. Which also kippers Reform.

    Any sign of Lectern Guy yet? What is it with PMs picking really unsuitable days to be outside?

    I doubt the logic of the second position will flow through into negatively impacting Reform.

    More pertinent is the comment of the Reform MP quoted in The Times, who said that on the doorstep in Makerfield Reform was for its voters "either too racist, or not racist enough".
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,060
    Makerfield was won by Burnham because of the Get Rid of Starmer vote.

    Not because Burnham found a way to deal with Reform.

    The idea that he has a magic bullet to defeat Farage is just wishful thinking.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,527

    I’m not sure why Burnham wants to wait until September.

    Didn't realise he does, but it could make sense for him to get his eye in at Parliament and among his colleagues.
  • Makerfield was won by Burnham because of the Get Rid of Starmer vote.

    Not because Burnham found a way to deal with Reform.

    The idea that he has a magic bullet to defeat Farage is just wishful thinking.

    From the evidence he won in Makerfield by re-establishing the 2024 coalition. I’m sure most of those wanted Starmer gone.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,446
    IanB2 said:

    Here's a cheerful thought.

    If Burnham succeeds, it kippers Reform.

    If Burnham fails, it's an object lesson in how running the country is no job for a newbie. Which also kippers Reform.

    Any sign of Lectern Guy yet? What is it with PMs picking really unsuitable days to be outside?

    I doubt the logic of the second position will flow through into negatively impacting Reform.

    More pertinent is the comment of the Reform MP quoted in The Times, who said that on the doorstep in Makerfield Reform was for its voters "either too racist, or not racist enough".
    Farage has spent his career seeking the Goldilocks level of racism.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,632
    According to the BBC forecast, on Thursday after lunch while France will be even hotter than the UK, we're forecast to top almost everywhere in Europe including Iberia and Greece, most of Italy and all of central and eastern Europe, as well as Morocco, with only central Italy, Albania, Algeria and Syria running us close with forecasts at 34-35C.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,028
    edited 7:31AM

    Makerfield was won by Burnham because of the Get Rid of Starmer vote.

    Not because Burnham found a way to deal with Reform.

    The idea that he has a magic bullet to defeat Farage is just wishful thinking.

    I've seen a recontact poll.

    You're wrong.

    It's a bit more nuanced than your blunt opinion.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,004
    IanB2 said:

    According to the BBC forecast, on Thursday after lunch while France will be even hotter than the UK, we're forecast to top almost everywhere in Europe including Iberia and Greece, most of Italy and all of central and eastern Europe, as well as Morocco, with only central Italy, Albania, Algeria and Syria running us close with forecasts at 34-35C.

    Great weather but what a shame its all happening in a
    the work week, then its going to cool for the weekend.

    Other way around would be better.
  • Makerfield was won by Burnham because of the Get Rid of Starmer vote.

    Not because Burnham found a way to deal with Reform.

    The idea that he has a magic bullet to defeat Farage is just wishful thinking.

    I've seen a recontact poll.

    You're wrong.

    It's a bit more nuanced than your blunt opinion.
    I mean it was obvious to me from day one it wasn’t just about Starmer out. Burnham has true fans at least in that part of the world. Starmer never had that.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,028
    IanB2 said:

    According to the BBC forecast, on Thursday after lunch while France will be even hotter than the UK, we're forecast to top almost everywhere in Europe including Iberia and Greece, most of Italy and all of central and eastern Europe, as well as Morocco, with only central Italy, Albania, Algeria and Syria running us close with forecasts at 34-35C.

    I'm in London on Wednesday when I have to wear a full morning suit.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,527
    Has Mr Burnham given any indication whether he'd support the Parliament Act being used to force the Assisted Dying bill through? Or can't the PM influence it given that another private member has chosen to bring it back?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,137

    FPT…

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    For @Sandpit

    https://x.com/jamestate121/status/2068809990890983771

    Step 1: Remove filters in Reflecting Pool because Obama put them in.
    Step 2: Give your criminal neighbor who runs "Greenwater Services" a $20 million no-bid contract to paint the pool.
    Step 3: Fill the pool with water from the Potomac River, the phosphates from which cause algae blooms.
    Step 4: Freshly sealed pool and extreme heat result in a super scum event
    Step 5: Direct National Park Service to dump hydrogen peroxide into the pool which causes the paint to peel.
    Step 5: Deploy US National Guard to stop people from taking photos of the swamp as a perfect metaphor for the administration.
    Step 6: Blame someone else.

    Can’t count to six, typical intelligence level for US Democrats.
    There is a 24/7 camera that shows the reflecting pool. If someone went into the pool and made a 250 foot gash, it would have been seen.

    Trump is lying again. Everyone knows it, but the people at @TheJusticeDept are randomly going after people to soothe trump’s fragile ego.

    https://x.com/tedlieu/status/2068825248800317483

    Still in denial ?
    Ah yes, that famously truthful Member of Congress making his partisan points.
    Are you saying the 24/7 camera doesn’t exist?
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oDCAAfOSqvA&ra=m
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 28,133
    IanB2 said:

    According to the BBC forecast, on Thursday after lunch while France will be even hotter than the UK, we're forecast to top almost everywhere in Europe including Iberia and Greece, most of Italy and all of central and eastern Europe, as well as Morocco, with only central Italy, Albania, Algeria and Syria running us close with forecasts at 34-35C.

    Good job Fifa didnt award us the World Cup or we would need advert breaks every 15 minutes!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,028
    AnneJGP said:

    Has Mr Burnham given any indication whether he'd support the Parliament Act being used to force the Assisted Dying bill through? Or can't the PM influence it given that another private member has chosen to bring it back?

    There was an article over the weekend which said Burnham's Catholicism might be an issue on this.

    Regardless of PM the bill is unlikely to pass the Commons anyway.

    It barely passed last time, and only with certain safeguards which were then removed by the likes of Lord Falconer.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,446

    IanB2 said:

    According to the BBC forecast, on Thursday after lunch while France will be even hotter than the UK, we're forecast to top almost everywhere in Europe including Iberia and Greece, most of Italy and all of central and eastern Europe, as well as Morocco, with only central Italy, Albania, Algeria and Syria running us close with forecasts at 34-35C.

    Good job Fifa didnt award us the World Cup or we would need advert breaks every 15 minutes!
    It would have been a fantastic way to reverse stereotypes about British weather.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,990
    I loathe this weather. Tomorrow at midnight the forecast 'feels like' is 28C.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,417

    IanB2 said:

    According to the BBC forecast, on Thursday after lunch while France will be even hotter than the UK, we're forecast to top almost everywhere in Europe including Iberia and Greece, most of Italy and all of central and eastern Europe, as well as Morocco, with only central Italy, Albania, Algeria and Syria running us close with forecasts at 34-35C.

    I'm in London on Wednesday when I have to wear a full morning suit.
    Doorman at Claridges again?
  • eekeek Posts: 34,149

    IanB2 said:

    According to the BBC forecast, on Thursday after lunch while France will be even hotter than the UK, we're forecast to top almost everywhere in Europe including Iberia and Greece, most of Italy and all of central and eastern Europe, as well as Morocco, with only central Italy, Albania, Algeria and Syria running us close with forecasts at 34-35C.

    I'm in London on Wednesday when I have to wear a full morning suit.
    Take it you aren't going to the office..
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,004
    AnneJGP said:

    Has Mr Burnham given any indication whether he'd support the Parliament Act being used to force the Assisted Dying bill through? Or can't the PM influence it given that another private member has chosen to bring it back?

    One should certainly hope so as the entire point of the Parliament Act is the primacy of the Commons so if the Commons votes for it again then it absolutely applies.

    Government/private/Salisbury/manifestos etc all don't apply to the Parliament Act. The Commons primacy does.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,028
    Battlebus said:

    IanB2 said:

    According to the BBC forecast, on Thursday after lunch while France will be even hotter than the UK, we're forecast to top almost everywhere in Europe including Iberia and Greece, most of Italy and all of central and eastern Europe, as well as Morocco, with only central Italy, Albania, Algeria and Syria running us close with forecasts at 34-35C.

    I'm in London on Wednesday when I have to wear a full morning suit.
    Doorman at Claridges again?
    I stayed at/visited that hotel so many times, I know it is Claridge's, not Claridges.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 7,198

    Here's a cheerful thought.

    If Burnham succeeds, it kippers Reform.

    If Burnham fails, it's an object lesson in how running the country is no job for a newbie. Which also kippers Reform.

    Any sign of Lectern Guy yet? What is it with PMs picking really unsuitable days to be outside?

    I worry that is not right. I sorry the country is close to saying “sod it, why not” and voting Reform and Green.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,028
    edited 7:42AM
    eek said:

    IanB2 said:

    According to the BBC forecast, on Thursday after lunch while France will be even hotter than the UK, we're forecast to top almost everywhere in Europe including Iberia and Greece, most of Italy and all of central and eastern Europe, as well as Morocco, with only central Italy, Albania, Algeria and Syria running us close with forecasts at 34-35C.

    I'm in London on Wednesday when I have to wear a full morning suit.
    Take it you aren't going to the office..
    Briefly.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,004

    AnneJGP said:

    Has Mr Burnham given any indication whether he'd support the Parliament Act being used to force the Assisted Dying bill through? Or can't the PM influence it given that another private member has chosen to bring it back?

    There was an article over the weekend which said Burnham's Catholicism might be an issue on this.

    Regardless of PM the bill is unlikely to pass the Commons anyway.

    It barely passed last time, and only with certain safeguards which were then removed by the likes of Lord Falconer.
    Hopefully you are wrong and anyway is it not an identical bill to the one the Commons passed that is returning? Quite rightly.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,527

    AnneJGP said:

    Has Mr Burnham given any indication whether he'd support the Parliament Act being used to force the Assisted Dying bill through? Or can't the PM influence it given that another private member has chosen to bring it back?

    There was an article over the weekend which said Burnham's Catholicism might be an issue on this.

    Regardless of PM the bill is unlikely to pass the Commons anyway.

    It barely passed last time, and only with certain safeguards which were then removed by the likes of Lord Falconer.
    Thank you, interesting. When it said bring back the exact same bill I thought it meant without the Lords' amendments.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,989
    edited 7:47AM
    AnneJGP said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Has Mr Burnham given any indication whether he'd support the Parliament Act being used to force the Assisted Dying bill through? Or can't the PM influence it given that another private member has chosen to bring it back?

    There was an article over the weekend which said Burnham's Catholicism might be an issue on this.

    Regardless of PM the bill is unlikely to pass the Commons anyway.

    It barely passed last time, and only with certain safeguards which were then removed by the likes of Lord Falconer.
    Thank you, interesting. When it said bring back the exact same bill I thought it meant without the Lords' amendments.
    In order to use the Parliament Act, the Commons needs to pass the exact same Bill in two different sessions.

    So yes, they’re trying to get it through without the Lords’ amendments.

    The horror stories out of Canada on MAID (as they call it there) are terrifying.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,611
    MelonB said:

    IanB2 said:

    According to the BBC forecast, on Thursday after lunch while France will be even hotter than the UK, we're forecast to top almost everywhere in Europe including Iberia and Greece, most of Italy and all of central and eastern Europe, as well as Morocco, with only central Italy, Albania, Algeria and Syria running us close with forecasts at 34-35C.

    Good job Fifa didnt award us the World Cup or we would need advert breaks every 15 minutes!
    It would have been a fantastic way to reverse stereotypes about British weather.
    At this rate the Gulf states will not be decamping to London to avoid the summer heat...
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,990

    MelonB said:

    IanB2 said:

    According to the BBC forecast, on Thursday after lunch while France will be even hotter than the UK, we're forecast to top almost everywhere in Europe including Iberia and Greece, most of Italy and all of central and eastern Europe, as well as Morocco, with only central Italy, Albania, Algeria and Syria running us close with forecasts at 34-35C.

    Good job Fifa didnt award us the World Cup or we would need advert breaks every 15 minutes!
    It would have been a fantastic way to reverse stereotypes about British weather.
    At this rate the Gulf states will not be decamping to London to avoid the summer heat...
    On the plus side, the solar death ray is working at optimal capacity.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,974
    Baldwin suggests Starmer feels "deeply frustrated" by the fact Labour's achievements might be clouded by the challenge to his leadership, adding: "I think he's hurt by some of the behaviour of people around him, some of the people he trusted, who he gave jobs to."

    "If Keir Starmer does decide to leave - and I don't know what he's going to do - I don't think he's going to stick around in politics for long," he says.

    "For him it's always been something he needs to endure rather than do out of love.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,989

    MelonB said:

    IanB2 said:

    According to the BBC forecast, on Thursday after lunch while France will be even hotter than the UK, we're forecast to top almost everywhere in Europe including Iberia and Greece, most of Italy and all of central and eastern Europe, as well as Morocco, with only central Italy, Albania, Algeria and Syria running us close with forecasts at 34-35C.

    Good job Fifa didnt award us the World Cup or we would need advert breaks every 15 minutes!
    It would have been a fantastic way to reverse stereotypes about British weather.
    At this rate the Gulf states will not be decamping to London to avoid the summer heat...
    We’ve actually got it pretty mild this week, albeit humid. Looking for around 40ºC today, could even be as low as 32ºC in the middle of next week.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,028
    AnneJGP said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Has Mr Burnham given any indication whether he'd support the Parliament Act being used to force the Assisted Dying bill through? Or can't the PM influence it given that another private member has chosen to bring it back?

    There was an article over the weekend which said Burnham's Catholicism might be an issue on this.

    Regardless of PM the bill is unlikely to pass the Commons anyway.

    It barely passed last time, and only with certain safeguards which were then removed by the likes of Lord Falconer.
    Thank you, interesting. When it said bring back the exact same bill I thought it meant without the Lords' amendments.
    Critics of the bill point out that Lord Falconer of Thoroton, who co-sponsored it in the last session, tabled 77 amendments intended to improve the bill sent by the Commons to the Lords.

    If the Commons has to pass exactly the same bill as it passed in the last session in order to invoke the Parliament Act, then critics argue that this will mean agreeing to a flawed version of the bill. MPs, they argue, therefore face a stark choice: re-enact the original bill without amendments, or make amendments and lose the protection of the Parliament Act.


    https://www.hansardsociety.org.uk/blog/assisted-dying-suggested-amendments-parliament-act
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,417

    Battlebus said:

    IanB2 said:

    According to the BBC forecast, on Thursday after lunch while France will be even hotter than the UK, we're forecast to top almost everywhere in Europe including Iberia and Greece, most of Italy and all of central and eastern Europe, as well as Morocco, with only central Italy, Albania, Algeria and Syria running us close with forecasts at 34-35C.

    I'm in London on Wednesday when I have to wear a full morning suit.
    Doorman at Claridges again?
    I stayed at/visited that hotel so many times, I know it is Claridge's, not Claridges.
    Enjoy your day. Make sure you hydrate. A 2 litre Camelbak under the suit would suffice.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,101

    Makerfield was won by Burnham because of the Get Rid of Starmer vote.

    Not because Burnham found a way to deal with Reform.

    The idea that he has a magic bullet to defeat Farage is just wishful thinking.

    We’ll see
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,611

    MelonB said:

    IanB2 said:

    According to the BBC forecast, on Thursday after lunch while France will be even hotter than the UK, we're forecast to top almost everywhere in Europe including Iberia and Greece, most of Italy and all of central and eastern Europe, as well as Morocco, with only central Italy, Albania, Algeria and Syria running us close with forecasts at 34-35C.

    Good job Fifa didnt award us the World Cup or we would need advert breaks every 15 minutes!
    It would have been a fantastic way to reverse stereotypes about British weather.
    At this rate the Gulf states will not be decamping to London to avoid the summer heat...
    On the plus side, the solar death ray is working at optimal capacity.
    I look forward to the opening of the ballot for initial trial candidates.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 48,055
    Nepo nation, the son of Sir David Frost interviews the grandson of Sir Oswald Mosley.
    I don’t think I’ve seen Louis Mosley without a black shirt, is it his little joke?

    https://x.com/saulstaniforth/status/2068955116879659016?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,203
    If Burnham does become PM then Labour would likely win most seats but would still probably need LD support to govern. We would also need to see if a Burnham led Labour squeezed the Greens, Restore start to squeeze Reform and what the impact of his tax rises would be on the economy and the polls
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,028
    Battlebus said:

    Battlebus said:

    IanB2 said:

    According to the BBC forecast, on Thursday after lunch while France will be even hotter than the UK, we're forecast to top almost everywhere in Europe including Iberia and Greece, most of Italy and all of central and eastern Europe, as well as Morocco, with only central Italy, Albania, Algeria and Syria running us close with forecasts at 34-35C.

    I'm in London on Wednesday when I have to wear a full morning suit.
    Doorman at Claridges again?
    I stayed at/visited that hotel so many times, I know it is Claridge's, not Claridges.
    Enjoy your day. Make sure you hydrate. A 2 litre Camelbak under the suit would suffice.
    There's plenty of free drinks at the event.

    My main issue is getting to London is because of the accident near Bedford, no trains from Sheffield to London for the time being.

    I might have to go via Doncaster (Shudders).
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 10,166

    Makerfield was won by Burnham because of the Get Rid of Starmer vote.

    Not because Burnham found a way to deal with Reform.

    The idea that he has a magic bullet to defeat Farage is just wishful thinking.

    Burnham won partly because people were looking for a way to beat Reform. See also the Greens in Gorton & Denton and Plaid in Caerphilly
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 26,333

    Baldwin suggests Starmer feels "deeply frustrated" by the fact Labour's achievements might be clouded by the challenge to his leadership, adding: "I think he's hurt by some of the behaviour of people around him, some of the people he trusted, who he gave jobs to."

    "If Keir Starmer does decide to leave - and I don't know what he's going to do - I don't think he's going to stick around in politics for long," he says.

    "For him it's always been something he needs to endure rather than do out of love.

    if he was that pissed off he'd call an election and say over to you Andy
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,773

    For @Sandpit

    https://x.com/jamestate121/status/2068809990890983771

    Step 1: Remove filters in Reflecting Pool because Obama put them in.
    Step 2: Give your criminal neighbor who runs "Greenwater Services" a $20 million no-bid contract to paint the pool.
    Step 3: Fill the pool with water from the Potomac River, the phosphates from which cause algae blooms.
    Step 4: Freshly sealed pool and extreme heat result in a super scum event
    Step 5: Direct National Park Service to dump hydrogen peroxide into the pool which causes the paint to peel.
    Step 5: Deploy US National Guard to stop people from taking photos of the swamp as a perfect metaphor for the administration.
    Step 6: Blame someone else.

    Trump is objectively the worst US president there has ever been but the Reflecting Pool shenanigans are huge fun. This was the man who did the paint job on the pool.



    And drafting in random police forces from across America to arrest random cyclists because they have to do something, right? (Maybe not so amusing for the cyclists...)
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,028
    FF43 said:

    For @Sandpit

    https://x.com/jamestate121/status/2068809990890983771

    Step 1: Remove filters in Reflecting Pool because Obama put them in.
    Step 2: Give your criminal neighbor who runs "Greenwater Services" a $20 million no-bid contract to paint the pool.
    Step 3: Fill the pool with water from the Potomac River, the phosphates from which cause algae blooms.
    Step 4: Freshly sealed pool and extreme heat result in a super scum event
    Step 5: Direct National Park Service to dump hydrogen peroxide into the pool which causes the paint to peel.
    Step 5: Deploy US National Guard to stop people from taking photos of the swamp as a perfect metaphor for the administration.
    Step 6: Blame someone else.

    Trump is objectively the worst US president there has ever been but the Reflecting Pool shenanigans are huge fun. This was the man who did the paint job on the pool.



    And drafting in random police forces from across America to arrest random cyclists because they have to do something, right? (Maybe not so amusing for the cyclists...)
    That's Bob Carolgees!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,203

    AnneJGP said:

    Has Mr Burnham given any indication whether he'd support the Parliament Act being used to force the Assisted Dying bill through? Or can't the PM influence it given that another private member has chosen to bring it back?

    There was an article over the weekend which said Burnham's Catholicism might be an issue on this.

    Regardless of PM the bill is unlikely to pass the Commons anyway.

    It barely passed last time, and only with certain safeguards which were then removed by the likes of Lord Falconer.
    Burnham is Roman Catholic unlike atheist Starmer and while economically more leftwing than the PM slightly more socially conservative. Burnham has said there isn't enough hospice funding and palliative care for now to allow assisted dying
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,733
    edited 8:06AM

    Makerfield was won by Burnham because of the Get Rid of Starmer vote.

    Not because Burnham found a way to deal with Reform.

    The idea that he has a magic bullet to defeat Farage is just wishful thinking.

    I've seen a recontact poll.

    You're wrong.

    It's a bit more nuanced than your blunt opinion.
    I've been down here in the constituency all week talking with folk. Kenyon was a bigger factor than Starmer.
    But there still seems to be a determined, stubborn refusal from outsiders to comprehend that Andy Burnham is well liked here. In a lot of cases loved. He has summat about him.
    The very same people who doubted he'd win, now doubt the reasons why he won.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,632

    IanB2 said:

    According to the BBC forecast, on Thursday after lunch while France will be even hotter than the UK, we're forecast to top almost everywhere in Europe including Iberia and Greece, most of Italy and all of central and eastern Europe, as well as Morocco, with only central Italy, Albania, Algeria and Syria running us close with forecasts at 34-35C.

    Great weather but what a shame its all happening in a
    the work week, then its going to cool for the weekend.

    Other way around would be better.
    That depends - as I remember from my work days, getting to work during a heatwave was miserable, on the tube, but being in an air conditioned office wasn't so bad. So it depends on how you get to work and what you do, as being out in temperatures of 35C and higher isn't any fun. If you can drive to somewhere air conditioned you're probably in a sweet spot. The forecasts for both next weekend and the weekend after look mostly sunny (with some chance of rain) and high 20sC, which is decent weather for being out and about.
  • dixiedean said:

    Makerfield was won by Burnham because of the Get Rid of Starmer vote.

    Not because Burnham found a way to deal with Reform.

    The idea that he has a magic bullet to defeat Farage is just wishful thinking.

    I've seen a recontact poll.

    You're wrong.

    It's a bit more nuanced than your blunt opinion.
    I've been down here in the constituency all week talking with folk. Kenyon was a bigger factor than Starmer.
    But there still seems to be a determined, stubborn refusal from outsiders to comprehend that Andy Burnham is well liked here. In a lot of cases loved. He has summat about him.
    The very same people who doubted he'd win, now doubt the reasons why he won.
    I don’t like him but I accept I’m in a minority. To say he didn’t have an appeal that won people over is stupid
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,611

    FF43 said:

    For @Sandpit

    https://x.com/jamestate121/status/2068809990890983771

    Step 1: Remove filters in Reflecting Pool because Obama put them in.
    Step 2: Give your criminal neighbor who runs "Greenwater Services" a $20 million no-bid contract to paint the pool.
    Step 3: Fill the pool with water from the Potomac River, the phosphates from which cause algae blooms.
    Step 4: Freshly sealed pool and extreme heat result in a super scum event
    Step 5: Direct National Park Service to dump hydrogen peroxide into the pool which causes the paint to peel.
    Step 5: Deploy US National Guard to stop people from taking photos of the swamp as a perfect metaphor for the administration.
    Step 6: Blame someone else.

    Trump is objectively the worst US president there has ever been but the Reflecting Pool shenanigans are huge fun. This was the man who did the paint job on the pool.



    And drafting in random police forces from across America to arrest random cyclists because they have to do something, right? (Maybe not so amusing for the cyclists...)
    That's Bob Carolgees!
    Nearly didn't recognise him without Spit the Dog!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,974
    Lectern Guy has arrived.....
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,245
    HASN'T STARMER GONE YET?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 48,055

    FF43 said:

    For @Sandpit

    https://x.com/jamestate121/status/2068809990890983771

    Step 1: Remove filters in Reflecting Pool because Obama put them in.
    Step 2: Give your criminal neighbor who runs "Greenwater Services" a $20 million no-bid contract to paint the pool.
    Step 3: Fill the pool with water from the Potomac River, the phosphates from which cause algae blooms.
    Step 4: Freshly sealed pool and extreme heat result in a super scum event
    Step 5: Direct National Park Service to dump hydrogen peroxide into the pool which causes the paint to peel.
    Step 5: Deploy US National Guard to stop people from taking photos of the swamp as a perfect metaphor for the administration.
    Step 6: Blame someone else.

    Trump is objectively the worst US president there has ever been but the Reflecting Pool shenanigans are huge fun. This was the man who did the paint job on the pool.



    And drafting in random police forces from across America to arrest random cyclists because they have to do something, right? (Maybe not so amusing for the cyclists...)
    That's Bob Carolgees!
    He’s eaten Spit!
    Normal behaviour among Trumpers I believe.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,152
    edited 8:10AM
    FF43 said:

    For @Sandpit

    https://x.com/jamestate121/status/2068809990890983771

    Step 1: Remove filters in Reflecting Pool because Obama put them in.
    Step 2: Give your criminal neighbor who runs "Greenwater Services" a $20 million no-bid contract to paint the pool.
    Step 3: Fill the pool with water from the Potomac River, the phosphates from which cause algae blooms.
    Step 4: Freshly sealed pool and extreme heat result in a super scum event
    Step 5: Direct National Park Service to dump hydrogen peroxide into the pool which causes the paint to peel.
    Step 5: Deploy US National Guard to stop people from taking photos of the swamp as a perfect metaphor for the administration.
    Step 6: Blame someone else.

    Trump is objectively the worst US president there has ever been but the Reflecting Pool shenanigans are huge fun. This was the man who did the paint job on the pool.



    And drafting in random police forces from across America to arrest random cyclists because they have to do something, right? (Maybe not so amusing for the cyclists...)
    Tomorrow will begin the "Actually, algae is good" messaging.

    Don't the Dumocrats like nature and rewilding?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,203
    edited 8:13AM
    Trump backed candidate wins the Columbian presidential election defeating an ally of the centre left President. He promises a crackdown on crime, armed gangs and drug trafficking.

    "Trump-backed political outsider wins Colombia election, initial count shows - BBC News" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clye4ky2yzpo
  • Starmer resigning
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,632

    Lectern Guy has arrived.....

    Live outside no 10 on BBC news while they set up for the announcement
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,733

    dixiedean said:

    Makerfield was won by Burnham because of the Get Rid of Starmer vote.

    Not because Burnham found a way to deal with Reform.

    The idea that he has a magic bullet to defeat Farage is just wishful thinking.

    I've seen a recontact poll.

    You're wrong.

    It's a bit more nuanced than your blunt opinion.
    I've been down here in the constituency all week talking with folk. Kenyon was a bigger factor than Starmer.
    But there still seems to be a determined, stubborn refusal from outsiders to comprehend that Andy Burnham is well liked here. In a lot of cases loved. He has summat about him.
    The very same people who doubted he'd win, now doubt the reasons why he won.
    I don’t like him but I accept I’m in a minority. To say he didn’t have an appeal that won people over is stupid
    He also ran a very skilful professional campaign. Again, the contrast with the slapdash shambles of Reform was a factor.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,137

    AnneJGP said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Has Mr Burnham given any indication whether he'd support the Parliament Act being used to force the Assisted Dying bill through? Or can't the PM influence it given that another private member has chosen to bring it back?

    There was an article over the weekend which said Burnham's Catholicism might be an issue on this.

    Regardless of PM the bill is unlikely to pass the Commons anyway.

    It barely passed last time, and only with certain safeguards which were then removed by the likes of Lord Falconer.
    Thank you, interesting. When it said bring back the exact same bill I thought it meant without the Lords' amendments.
    Critics of the bill point out that Lord Falconer of Thoroton, who co-sponsored it in the last session, tabled 77 amendments intended to improve the bill sent by the Commons to the Lords.

    If the Commons has to pass exactly the same bill as it passed in the last session in order to invoke the Parliament Act, then critics argue that this will mean agreeing to a flawed version of the bill. MPs, they argue, therefore face a stark choice: re-enact the original bill without amendments, or make amendments and lose the protection of the Parliament Act.


    https://www.hansardsociety.org.uk/blog/assisted-dying-suggested-amendments-parliament-act
    I think I mentioned this a few threads back, when it was last discussed.

    Note it would still require a small measure of cooperation from the Lords:
    ..Section 2(4) of the Parliament Act provides that the Commons, when sending the bill to the Lords in the second session, may also send with it a list of “suggested amendments”. These suggestions do not alter the text of the bill as passed by the Commons, thereby preserving the identical bill requirement. Instead, the suggested amendments are sent to the Lords in a separate document or message.

    If the House of Lords fails to pass the bill in the second session, then the Parliament Act may still be used. If, however, the Lords agrees to one or more of the Commons’ suggested amendments, the Parliament Act allows the Bill to be enacted with those suggested amendments incorporated...


    Would opponents of the bill in the Lords be sufficiently determined to refuse approval to amendments which would improve the bill, and gamble that the Commons would reject the therefore unamended version at the second reading ?
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,527
    dixiedean said:

    Makerfield was won by Burnham because of the Get Rid of Starmer vote.

    Not because Burnham found a way to deal with Reform.

    The idea that he has a magic bullet to defeat Farage is just wishful thinking.

    I've seen a recontact poll.

    You're wrong.

    It's a bit more nuanced than your blunt opinion.
    I've been down here in the constituency all week talking with folk. Kenyon was a bigger factor than Starmer.
    But there still seems to be a determined, stubborn refusal from outsiders to comprehend that Andy Burnham is well liked here. In a lot of cases loved. He has summat about him.
    The very same people who doubted he'd win, now doubt the reasons why he won.
    It's good to hear that he's well liked by people who are familiar with him. Perhaps, if/when he becomes PM, he'll become well liked by the population.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 26,333
    dixiedean said:

    Makerfield was won by Burnham because of the Get Rid of Starmer vote.

    Not because Burnham found a way to deal with Reform.

    The idea that he has a magic bullet to defeat Farage is just wishful thinking.

    I've seen a recontact poll.

    You're wrong.

    It's a bit more nuanced than your blunt opinion.
    I've been down here in the constituency all week talking with folk. Kenyon was a bigger factor than Starmer.
    But there still seems to be a determined, stubborn refusal from outsiders to comprehend that Andy Burnham is well liked here. In a lot of cases loved. He has summat about him.
    The very same people who doubted he'd win, now doubt the reasons why he won.
    The issue isnt whether he is popular ion his own doorstep, it's whether that can travel nationally.

    You say he has summat about him, Ive always found him a whiny git, Maybe he has grown up since he was last on the national stage.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,379

    Here's a cheerful thought.

    If Burnham succeeds, it kippers Reform.

    If Burnham fails, it's an object lesson in how running the country is no job for a newbie. Which also kippers Reform.

    Any sign of Lectern Guy yet? What is it with PMs picking really unsuitable days to be outside?

    A newbie? He was a minister in the Brown government...
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,398
    Starmer about to resign. Because of a by-election.

    I did say that politicos would talk about Makerfield in the decades to come...
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 48,055
    edited 8:18AM
    Ya beauty!
    Just need to deep fry it now.

    Just had one of these and it was bloody lovely!

    https://x.com/bradfemlywalsh/status/2068680277820371073?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 2,043
    edited 8:20AM
    ...
    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    According to the BBC forecast, on Thursday after lunch while France will be even hotter than the UK, we're forecast to top almost everywhere in Europe including Iberia and Greece, most of Italy and all of central and eastern Europe, as well as Morocco, with only central Italy, Albania, Algeria and Syria running us close with forecasts at 34-35C.

    Great weather but what a shame its all happening in a
    the work week, then its going to cool for the weekend.

    Other way around would be better.
    That depends - as I remember from my work days, getting to work during a heatwave was miserable, on the tube, but being in an air conditioned office wasn't so bad. So it depends on how you get to work and what you do, as being out in temperatures of 35C and higher isn't any fun. If you can drive to somewhere air conditioned you're probably in a sweet spot. The forecasts for both next weekend and the weekend after look mostly sunny (with some chance of rain) and high 20sC, which is decent weather for being out and about.
    We have a 60s building in our school where the classrooms reach 35+ even when it is only high 20s outside. Amusingly (for me) my part of the school is air conditioned. Not sure what the rest will do this week.

    ETA although I did previously work in a university in Machala in Ecuador where the air con would break and the classrooms would be 40+, and we would just use it as a behaviour management tactic, so I don't really know what we're all grumbling about.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,989

    Starmer about to resign. Because of a by-election.

    I did say that politicos would talk about Makerfield in the decades to come...

    Because of a by-election his party won!
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,379
    "Burnham has stated that he primarily defines his identity as British rather than English, which he has attributed to his Irish heritage. He has said that he sees himself as British first, a north-westerner second, a Liverpudlian third and English fourth."

    Oh dear. He's one of those.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,004

    AnneJGP said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Has Mr Burnham given any indication whether he'd support the Parliament Act being used to force the Assisted Dying bill through? Or can't the PM influence it given that another private member has chosen to bring it back?

    There was an article over the weekend which said Burnham's Catholicism might be an issue on this.

    Regardless of PM the bill is unlikely to pass the Commons anyway.

    It barely passed last time, and only with certain safeguards which were then removed by the likes of Lord Falconer.
    Thank you, interesting. When it said bring back the exact same bill I thought it meant without the Lords' amendments.
    Critics of the bill point out that Lord Falconer of Thoroton, who co-sponsored it in the last session, tabled 77 amendments intended to improve the bill sent by the Commons to the Lords.

    If the Commons has to pass exactly the same bill as it passed in the last session in order to invoke the Parliament Act, then critics argue that this will mean agreeing to a flawed version of the bill. MPs, they argue, therefore face a stark choice: re-enact the original bill without amendments, or make amendments and lose the protection of the Parliament Act.


    https://www.hansardsociety.org.uk/blog/assisted-dying-suggested-amendments-parliament-act
    Critics of the bill argue that, that does not make it true.

    Supporters of the bill quite rightly say that if the Commons passes the bill then the Lords can either work with the Commons to improve the bill, or see it passed as is into law. Hopefully the Lords work with the Commons.

    What will be removed is the Lords ability to frustrate the Commons, which is not the job of the Lords. Work to improve the bill, not prevent it passing.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 48,055
    edited 8:19AM

    Starmer about to resign. Because of a by-election.

    I did say that politicos would talk about Makerfield in the decades to come...

    Let’s not fixate on secondary factors, he’s resigning cos he’s a bit shit.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 13,516

    dixiedean said:

    Makerfield was won by Burnham because of the Get Rid of Starmer vote.

    Not because Burnham found a way to deal with Reform.

    The idea that he has a magic bullet to defeat Farage is just wishful thinking.

    I've seen a recontact poll.

    You're wrong.

    It's a bit more nuanced than your blunt opinion.
    I've been down here in the constituency all week talking with folk. Kenyon was a bigger factor than Starmer.
    But there still seems to be a determined, stubborn refusal from outsiders to comprehend that Andy Burnham is well liked here. In a lot of cases loved. He has summat about him.
    The very same people who doubted he'd win, now doubt the reasons why he won.
    The issue isnt whether he is popular ion his own doorstep, it's whether that can travel nationally.

    You say he has summat about him, Ive always found him a whiny git, Maybe he has grown up since he was last on the national stage.
    Given your usual charitable utterances about Labour politicians that’s a useful data point. Thank you.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,733
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,632
    Lecturn!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,028
    edited 8:23AM
    dixiedean said:

    Makerfield was won by Burnham because of the Get Rid of Starmer vote.

    Not because Burnham found a way to deal with Reform.

    The idea that he has a magic bullet to defeat Farage is just wishful thinking.

    I've seen a recontact poll.

    You're wrong.

    It's a bit more nuanced than your blunt opinion.
    I've been down here in the constituency all week talking with folk. Kenyon was a bigger factor than Starmer.
    But there still seems to be a determined, stubborn refusal from outsiders to comprehend that Andy Burnham is well liked here. In a lot of cases loved. He has summat about him.
    The very same people who doubted he'd win, now doubt the reasons why he won.
    Yup.

    I'd say it was a mixture of Rob Kenyon/the female vote plus Nigel Farage's inflammatory rhetoric over Henry Nowak which was a stark contrast to Andy Burnham.

    The Lib Dems and Greens cratered to stop Reform winning because they found Burnham palatable.

    Rather than a get Starmer out vote there was a desire to be represented by the PM.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,466
    Go on Keir - say "Fuck you Burnham, I'm staying."
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,463
    Lectern in place at 9:20am.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,989
    Looking at the PB annual competition entry list, precisely no-one has Burnham to be PM by the end of the year.
    Entry List
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,649
    Sandpit said:

    AnneJGP said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Has Mr Burnham given any indication whether he'd support the Parliament Act being used to force the Assisted Dying bill through? Or can't the PM influence it given that another private member has chosen to bring it back?

    There was an article over the weekend which said Burnham's Catholicism might be an issue on this.

    Regardless of PM the bill is unlikely to pass the Commons anyway.

    It barely passed last time, and only with certain safeguards which were then removed by the likes of Lord Falconer.
    Thank you, interesting. When it said bring back the exact same bill I thought it meant without the Lords' amendments.
    In order to use the Parliament Act, the Commons needs to pass the exact same Bill in two different sessions.

    So yes, they’re trying to get it through without the Lords’ amendments.

    The horror stories out of Canada on MAID (as they call it there) are terrifying.
    They are. They’re really frightening

    I can see loads of money grasping relatives despatching granny for the inheritance and to stop her incurring care fees.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,060
    Sandpit said:

    Starmer about to resign. Because of a by-election.

    I did say that politicos would talk about Makerfield in the decades to come...

    Because of a by-election his party won!
    It stopped being his party some time before
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,152
    edited 8:25AM
    carnforth said:

    "Burnham has stated that he primarily defines his identity as British rather than English, which he has attributed to his Irish heritage. He has said that he sees himself as British first, a north-westerner second, a Liverpudlian third and English fourth."

    Oh dear. He's one of those.

    He is in the majority then:

    "More than half of the usual resident population (54.8%, 32.7 million) chose a "British" only national identity in 2021, which is a rise of 35.8 percentage points from 19.1% (10.7 million) in 2011. The opposite trend was seen for the "English" only identity. This fell by 42.8 percentage points, from 57.7% (32.4 million) in 2011 to 14.9% (8.9 million) in 2021."

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/ethnicity/bulletins/nationalidentityenglandandwales/census2021#:~:text=English identity in England,-In England:&text=56.8% of people selected a,or 42.2 million, in 2011)

  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 7,198

    Go on Keir - say "Fuck you Burnham, I'm staying."

    “What if the announcement is that there’s no announcement?”


  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,989
    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    AnneJGP said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Has Mr Burnham given any indication whether he'd support the Parliament Act being used to force the Assisted Dying bill through? Or can't the PM influence it given that another private member has chosen to bring it back?

    There was an article over the weekend which said Burnham's Catholicism might be an issue on this.

    Regardless of PM the bill is unlikely to pass the Commons anyway.

    It barely passed last time, and only with certain safeguards which were then removed by the likes of Lord Falconer.
    Thank you, interesting. When it said bring back the exact same bill I thought it meant without the Lords' amendments.
    In order to use the Parliament Act, the Commons needs to pass the exact same Bill in two different sessions.

    So yes, they’re trying to get it through without the Lords’ amendments.

    The horror stories out of Canada on MAID (as they call it there) are terrifying.
    They are. They’re really frightening

    I can see loads of money grasping relatives despatching granny for the inheritance and to stop her incurring care fees.
    Worse than that, the NHS and public care homes will be encouraging it at the first sign of serious illness, to save the Chancellor a fortune.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,137
    I still struggling with this story.
    WAPO journalists sat on their scoop for an entire year until they were ready to publish their book on the administration. Imagine the Times sitting on a similar story about the director of MI6.
    God know what Gabbard might have leaked in the meantime.

    Absolutely insane revelations about Tulsi Gabbard.

    Throughout her public life, she's been a puppet for a Hindu cult.

    Washington Post got access to 25,000 pages of documents including directives from Tulsi Gabbard's cult leader telling her which policy positions to take and how to present herself throughout her career.

    It matches her record in Congress. At one point, she was instructed to say "It’s not a ‘boohoo, I don’t get to go to the party’ situation, Wolf" during a CNN interview, and used that exact phrase. This is one of several examples of her taking direct orders about what to say on TV. They told her what to tweet about too.

    The cult set up fake accounts to boost her on social media. Gabbard was aware, at one point telling them to add a photo to a profile.

    An email records a phone call where she was yelled at, but Tulsi is reminded at the end that "we still love you."..

    https://x.com/RichardHanania/status/2068804903355789663
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,028
    Sandpit said:

    Looking at the PB annual competition entry list, precisely no-one has Burnham to be PM by the end of the year.
    Entry List

    I was the visionary who set that question!
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,398
    "Great ruins..."
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,632
    " What's going on? I will tell you what's going on....I am going on" ?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,012
    If the BBC photo is accurate, the lectern has the crest on it, so it's Govt business not party business. Doesn't that mean he's not resigning as party leader
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,101
    viewcode said:

    If the BBC photo is accurate, the lectern has the crest on it, so it's Govt business not party business. Doesn't that mean he's not resigning as party leader

    Maybe he’s calling an election
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,632
    viewcode said:

    If the BBC photo is accurate, the lectern has the crest on it, so it's Govt business not party business. Doesn't that mean he's not resigning as party leader

    Resigning as PM is government business.
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