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  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,721
    IanB2 said:

    Foxy said:

    Impressive defending by Iran, but they do need to try and score at some point.

    Maybe they just need to sit tight and soak up the attacks until the other team sacks its manager?
    Chapeau.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,056

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Burnham will quickly emerge as the most compelling figure in Western politics other than Trump.

    He will be fresher than Macron, have a stronger domestic position than Merz, run a more important country than Carney and have more international relevance than Meloni.

    If he plays his cards right, he could be PM for a decade.

    Burnham would also be the most leftwing leader of the G7. Ten years of Burnham as PM and the UK would be heading towards socialism
    and the next thing we know, we would find all our healthcare needs being met for free?
    Burnham would be the most leftwing PM in my lifetime, CCHQ will already preparing the attack ads on his tax rises
    I am old enough to remember Burnham as a Blairite.
    His lack of consistency will be an issue
    What he does or does not do in the next two to three years is what he will be judged on at the next election, not any consistency (or lack thereof) with a Government of what is already two decades ago.
    You only have to look at his rapid WASPI u turn during the by election to see how consistency might still be questioned.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 6,017
    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    Blimey that's looking hot next week. UK record June temperature = 35.6°C Forecast for Heathrow next Wednesday = 39°C. Same again on Thursday.

    Another record is going to be not just broken but smashed.

    Our daughter has just come back from a holiday in Marrakech with temperatures of between 41 and 48 !!!!!!!!!!!!!
    That's utterly ridiculous.
    There should be a post apocalyptic movie where things are mostly fine, but demonstrating we now have a lot of places that cannot sustain human life at basically any level without the aid of modern technology, not just unable to maintain modern populations levels.
    Dubai...?

    Anyway, it does look like the question is not whether the June record will be obliterated (spoiler - it will) but whether the 40.3C from 2022 will be broken. Given that was supposed to be something like a 8000 year return...
    Yes, only the most bonkers are denying the reality of Climate Change now.

    I've never been sceptical of Climate Change since reading all the papers in 1990 for a university project but I think you can still be sceptical about the actions of the government.

    It seems we will have to adapt, and adapt fast. Much faster than most climate models suggested, at least in Western Europe. This seems to me much more important for the UK than worrying about stupid CCS projects or the like.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,143
    eek said:

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2068795946826142139

    Work will begin immediately on fixing the seriously vandalized Reflecting Pool. I just inspected it, and could only say to myself, and those gathered around me, WOW, who would do such a thing? SICK, DERANGED PEOPLE! We will fix it? President DJT

    Trump can hardly say that he picked a complete idiot to refurbish the reflecting pool and he screwed up.
    I love this picture of the spiv who did the job:

    https://bsky.app/profile/ofthesea.bsky.social/post/3momcgqfznc2s

    But what do you expect when you employ "Greenwater Services" 🤣🤣🤣
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,994

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Burnham will quickly emerge as the most compelling figure in Western politics other than Trump.

    He will be fresher than Macron, have a stronger domestic position than Merz, run a more important country than Carney and have more international relevance than Meloni.

    If he plays his cards right, he could be PM for a decade.

    Burnham would also be the most leftwing leader of the G7. Ten years of Burnham as PM and the UK would be heading towards socialism
    and the next thing we know, we would find all our healthcare needs being met for free?
    Burnham would be the most leftwing PM in my lifetime, CCHQ will already preparing the attack ads on his tax rises
    I am old enough to remember Burnham as a Blairite.
    His lack of consistency will be an issue
    What he does or does not do in the next two to three years is what he will be judged on at the next election, not any consistency (or lack thereof) with a Government of what is already two decades ago.
    You only have to look at his rapid WASPI u turn during the by election to see how consistency might still be questioned.
    His original WASPI comment was fecking stupid and would have been ruinously expensive for no good reason.

    Rapidly u-turning on stupid, expensive mistakes is better than what we have often had in recent years of digging your heels in, dragging it out, and then u-turning.
  • eekeek Posts: 34,130
    Foxy said:

    eek said:

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2068795946826142139

    Work will begin immediately on fixing the seriously vandalized Reflecting Pool. I just inspected it, and could only say to myself, and those gathered around me, WOW, who would do such a thing? SICK, DERANGED PEOPLE! We will fix it? President DJT

    Trump can hardly say that he picked a complete idiot to refurbish the reflecting pool and he screwed up.
    I love this picture of the spiv who did the job:

    https://bsky.app/profile/ofthesea.bsky.social/post/3momcgqfznc2s

    But what do you expect when you employ "Greenwater Services" 🤣🤣🤣
    Four Seasons Total Landscaping would have done a better job.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,442
    Has anyone likened Starmer's downfall to a Shakesperian tragedy yet?
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 5,264
    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    Blimey that's looking hot next week. UK record June temperature = 35.6°C Forecast for Heathrow next Wednesday = 39°C. Same again on Thursday.

    Another record is going to be not just broken but smashed.

    Our daughter has just come back from a holiday in Marrakech with temperatures of between 41 and 48 !!!!!!!!!!!!!
    That's utterly ridiculous.
    There should be a post apocalyptic movie where things are mostly fine, but demonstrating we now have a lot of places that cannot sustain human life at basically any level without the aid of modern technology, not just unable to maintain modern populations levels.
    Dubai...?

    Anyway, it does look like the question is not whether the June record will be obliterated (spoiler - it will) but whether the 40.3C from 2022 will be broken. Given that was supposed to be something like a 8000 year return...
    Yes, only the most bonkers are denying the reality of Climate Change now.

    But it's still open season for pillorying of Ed Miliband. Or is that temporarily suspended on PB during (ever hotter) heatwaves?
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,994

    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    Blimey that's looking hot next week. UK record June temperature = 35.6°C Forecast for Heathrow next Wednesday = 39°C. Same again on Thursday.

    Another record is going to be not just broken but smashed.

    Our daughter has just come back from a holiday in Marrakech with temperatures of between 41 and 48 !!!!!!!!!!!!!
    That's utterly ridiculous.
    There should be a post apocalyptic movie where things are mostly fine, but demonstrating we now have a lot of places that cannot sustain human life at basically any level without the aid of modern technology, not just unable to maintain modern populations levels.
    Dubai...?

    Anyway, it does look like the question is not whether the June record will be obliterated (spoiler - it will) but whether the 40.3C from 2022 will be broken. Given that was supposed to be something like a 8000 year return...
    Yes, only the most bonkers are denying the reality of Climate Change now.

    But it's still open season for pillorying of Ed Miliband. Or is that temporarily suspended on PB during (ever hotter) heatwaves?
    There is plenty of scope for being in the Venn Diagram intersection of recognising the reality of Climate Change and thinking Ed Miliband is completely mad.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,056
    Andy_JS said:

    Has anyone likened Starmer's downfall to a Shakesperian tragedy yet?

    No. He lacks the inherent nobility and stature for his fall to be Shakespearean in quality.

    The demise of a dull technocrat is no tragedy.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,721
    edited 9:29PM
    Centrist Dad latest:


    Tim Farron
    @timfarron
    ·
    54m
    Starmer’s been a poor PM, but the vitriol and hatred towards him is just weird. It comes from both the far left and far right. It’s contrived by people whose motives are deeply suspect. Part of me wants him to survive just to spite them.

    https://x.com/timfarron/status/2068794594309840983
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,518

    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    Blimey that's looking hot next week. UK record June temperature = 35.6°C Forecast for Heathrow next Wednesday = 39°C. Same again on Thursday.

    Another record is going to be not just broken but smashed.

    Our daughter has just come back from a holiday in Marrakech with temperatures of between 41 and 48 !!!!!!!!!!!!!
    That's utterly ridiculous.
    There should be a post apocalyptic movie where things are mostly fine, but demonstrating we now have a lot of places that cannot sustain human life at basically any level without the aid of modern technology, not just unable to maintain modern populations levels.
    Dubai...?

    Anyway, it does look like the question is not whether the June record will be obliterated (spoiler - it will) but whether the 40.3C from 2022 will be broken. Given that was supposed to be something like a 8000 year return...
    Yes, only the most bonkers are denying the reality of Climate Change now.

    I've never been sceptical of Climate Change since reading all the papers in 1990 for a university project but I think you can still be sceptical about the actions of the government.

    It seems we will have to adapt, and adapt fast. Much faster than most climate models suggested, at least in Western Europe. This seems to me much more important for the UK than worrying about stupid CCS projects or the like.
    One of the adaptations is psychological. It's really hard to recognise that hot weather is a threat to health. Many just expect to go about their daily routine regardless.
  • I don’t hate Keir Starmer. But he’s been a terrible PM for the times. The actual policies are good but the explanation and execution of government itself has been 1/10.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,076
    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    Blimey that's looking hot next week. UK record June temperature = 35.6°C Forecast for Heathrow next Wednesday = 39°C. Same again on Thursday.

    Another record is going to be not just broken but smashed.

    Our daughter has just come back from a holiday in Marrakech with temperatures of between 41 and 48 !!!!!!!!!!!!!
    That's utterly ridiculous.
    There should be a post apocalyptic movie where things are mostly fine, but demonstrating we now have a lot of places that cannot sustain human life at basically any level without the aid of modern technology, not just unable to maintain modern populations levels.
    Dubai...?

    Anyway, it does look like the question is not whether the June record will be obliterated (spoiler - it will) but whether the 40.3C from 2022 will be broken. Given that was supposed to be something like a 8000 year return...
    Yes, only the most bonkers are denying the reality of Climate Change now.

    The climate's been changing ever since the Earth first formed. I blame those pesky cyano-bacteria for polluting the atmosphere with oxygen!
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,999

    I hope the former prohibition on AI images does not apply to our one per day image, but I generated what I thought was the image that belongs with the heading of "meet the man who could ruin the Burnham premiership". My 1 image today:

    image

    There's a few tells there that its AI generated.

    The lightbeam cutting his head in half on the right does rather give it away.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,076

    I don’t hate Keir Starmer. But he’s been a terrible PM for the times. The actual policies are good but the explanation and execution of government itself has been 1/10.

    "I don't hate Keir Starmer, but I pity the fool!"
  • glwglw Posts: 10,936

    Centrist Dad latest:


    Tim Farron
    @timfarron
    ·
    54m
    Starmer’s been a poor PM, but the vitriol and hatred towards him is just weird. It comes from both the far left and far right. It’s contrived by people whose motives are deeply suspect. Part of me wants him to survive just to spite them.

    https://x.com/timfarron/status/2068794594309840983

    He has many flaws, but nothing that warrants the hatred. From what I've seen much of the hatred is justified by things that are nothing to do with Starmer, and often not even things that are really factual. There's an awful lot of social media driven nonsense stirred up by all sorts of bad actors from at home and abroad.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,608
    Andy_JS said:

    Has anyone likened Starmer's downfall to a Shakesperian tragedy yet?

    Much Ado About Nothing
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,439

    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    Blimey that's looking hot next week. UK record June temperature = 35.6°C Forecast for Heathrow next Wednesday = 39°C. Same again on Thursday.

    Another record is going to be not just broken but smashed.

    Our daughter has just come back from a holiday in Marrakech with temperatures of between 41 and 48 !!!!!!!!!!!!!
    That's utterly ridiculous.
    There should be a post apocalyptic movie where things are mostly fine, but demonstrating we now have a lot of places that cannot sustain human life at basically any level without the aid of modern technology, not just unable to maintain modern populations levels.
    Dubai...?

    Anyway, it does look like the question is not whether the June record will be obliterated (spoiler - it will) but whether the 40.3C from 2022 will be broken. Given that was supposed to be something like a 8000 year return...
    Yes, only the most bonkers are denying the reality of Climate Change now.

    I've never been sceptical of Climate Change since reading all the papers in 1990 for a university project but I think you can still be sceptical about the actions of the government.

    It seems we will have to adapt, and adapt fast. Much faster than most climate models suggested, at least in Western Europe. This seems to me much more important for the UK than worrying about stupid CCS projects or the like.
    The issue we face in the U.K., and let’s face it, primarily England, is that periodically we will need to cope with such heat waves but 99 % of the time we won’t. It’s the inverse of snow issues we’re the country struggles with snow that Norway would laugh at.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,608

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Burnham will quickly emerge as the most compelling figure in Western politics other than Trump.

    He will be fresher than Macron, have a stronger domestic position than Merz, run a more important country than Carney and have more international relevance than Meloni.

    If he plays his cards right, he could be PM for a decade.

    Burnham would also be the most leftwing leader of the G7. Ten years of Burnham as PM and the UK would be heading towards socialism
    and the next thing we know, we would find all our healthcare needs being met for free?
    Burnham would be the most leftwing PM in my lifetime, CCHQ will already preparing the attack ads on his tax rises
    I am old enough to remember Burnham as a Blairite.
    His lack of consistency will be an issue
    What he does or does not do in the next two to three years is what he will be judged on at the next election, not any consistency (or lack thereof) with a Government of what is already two decades ago.
    You only have to look at his rapid WASPI u turn during the by election to see how consistency might still be questioned.
    His original WASPI comment was fecking stupid and would have been ruinously expensive for no good reason.

    Rapidly u-turning on stupid, expensive mistakes is better than what we have often had in recent years of digging your heels in, dragging it out, and then u-turning.
    Not making fecking stupid mistakes in the first place would be better.

    Is that too much to expect from a Prime Minister?
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,994

    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    Blimey that's looking hot next week. UK record June temperature = 35.6°C Forecast for Heathrow next Wednesday = 39°C. Same again on Thursday.

    Another record is going to be not just broken but smashed.

    Our daughter has just come back from a holiday in Marrakech with temperatures of between 41 and 48 !!!!!!!!!!!!!
    That's utterly ridiculous.
    There should be a post apocalyptic movie where things are mostly fine, but demonstrating we now have a lot of places that cannot sustain human life at basically any level without the aid of modern technology, not just unable to maintain modern populations levels.
    Dubai...?

    Anyway, it does look like the question is not whether the June record will be obliterated (spoiler - it will) but whether the 40.3C from 2022 will be broken. Given that was supposed to be something like a 8000 year return...
    Yes, only the most bonkers are denying the reality of Climate Change now.

    The climate's been changing ever since the Earth first formed. I blame those pesky cyano-bacteria for polluting the atmosphere with oxygen!
    Why did you have to mention their colour? Racist!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,442

    I hope the former prohibition on AI images does not apply to our one per day image, but I generated what I thought was the image that belongs with the heading of "meet the man who could ruin the Burnham premiership". My 1 image today:

    image

    There's a few tells there that its AI generated.

    One tell is that it doesn't look 100% like Andy Burnham.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 29,588
    Andy_JS said:

    Has anyone likened Starmer's downfall to a Shakesperian tragedy yet?

    A Comedy of Errors.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 23,086
    glw said:

    Centrist Dad latest:


    Tim Farron
    @timfarron
    ·
    54m
    Starmer’s been a poor PM, but the vitriol and hatred towards him is just weird. It comes from both the far left and far right. It’s contrived by people whose motives are deeply suspect. Part of me wants him to survive just to spite them.

    https://x.com/timfarron/status/2068794594309840983

    He has many flaws, but nothing that warrants the hatred. From what I've seen much of the hatred is justified by things that are nothing to do with Starmer, and often not even things that are really factual. There's an awful lot of social media driven nonsense stirred up by all sorts of bad actors from at home and abroad.
    And... probably one final time... the alternatives in 2020 and in 2024 would have been worse. It's possible that the alternative we're about to get is going to be worse.

    Sleep well, everyone.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,721

    Paul Johnson
    @PJTheEconomist
    There is only one “change” that will work for Burnham. A genuine, relentless focus on growth.

    Two decades without earnings growth. That’s why electorate is fed up.

    Only growth will repair contract between generations and allow social ills to be tackled
    https://x.com/PJTheEconomist/status/2068777606166585441
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,188
    Labour source tonight calls Burnham ‘a snivelling little rat’

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2068805226417504347?s=46&t=Gsn9rlDEZH5vXP97Cgifnw
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,056
    glw said:

    Centrist Dad latest:


    Tim Farron
    @timfarron
    ·
    54m
    Starmer’s been a poor PM, but the vitriol and hatred towards him is just weird. It comes from both the far left and far right. It’s contrived by people whose motives are deeply suspect. Part of me wants him to survive just to spite them.

    https://x.com/timfarron/status/2068794594309840983

    He has many flaws, but nothing that warrants the hatred. From what I've seen much of the hatred is justified by things that are nothing to do with Starmer, and often not even things that are really factual. There's an awful lot of social media driven nonsense stirred up by all sorts of bad actors from at home and abroad.
    I do find his belief in his own moral superiority hard to stomach. And his inability to be authentic when speaking about his background is again a barrier to liking him.

    Fundamentally he has never articulated a political philosophy or vision.

    None of this is enough to hate him. But there is plenty not to like.

    As I said yesterday, I do believe that this has all been very difficult for him on a personal level and I do have empathy for him for that.

    But political careers almost always end in failure. His has happened far earlier than he could have anticipated.

    However it needs to end and to end quickly.

    He has time to do another high profile job if he chooses.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,608

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Burnham will quickly emerge as the most compelling figure in Western politics other than Trump.

    He will be fresher than Macron, have a stronger domestic position than Merz, run a more important country than Carney and have more international relevance than Meloni.

    If he plays his cards right, he could be PM for a decade.

    Burnham would also be the most leftwing leader of the G7. Ten years of Burnham as PM and the UK would be heading towards socialism
    and the next thing we know, we would find all our healthcare needs being met for free?
    Burnham would be the most leftwing PM in my lifetime, CCHQ will already preparing the attack ads on his tax rises
    I am old enough to remember Burnham as a Blairite.
    Nah that was the other Andy. I remember him as a Brownite
    I remember him as the vacuous bloke who lost a leadership contest to Jezza.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,721

    Andy_JS said:

    Has anyone likened Starmer's downfall to a Shakesperian tragedy yet?

    A Comedy of Errors.
    It is Shakespearean in the sense that the tragedy and downfall is driven by the character flaw: in this case that he is a dull-as-ditch-water technocrat
  • KnightOutKnightOut Posts: 280

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Burnham will quickly emerge as the most compelling figure in Western politics other than Trump.

    He will be fresher than Macron, have a stronger domestic position than Merz, run a more important country than Carney and have more international relevance than Meloni.

    If he plays his cards right, he could be PM for a decade.

    Burnham would also be the most leftwing leader of the G7. Ten years of Burnham as PM and the UK would be heading towards socialism
    and the next thing we know, we would find all our healthcare needs being met for free?
    Burnham would be the most leftwing PM in my lifetime, CCHQ will already preparing the attack ads on his tax rises
    I am old enough to remember Burnham as a Blairite.
    His lack of consistency will be an issue
    What he does or does not do in the next two to three years is what he will be judged on at the next election, not any consistency (or lack thereof) with a Government of what is already two decades ago.
    You only have to look at his rapid WASPI u turn during the by election to see how consistency might still be questioned.
    His original WASPI comment was fecking stupid and would have been ruinously expensive for no good reason.

    Rapidly u-turning on stupid, expensive mistakes is better than what we have often had in recent years of digging your heels in, dragging it out, and then u-turning.
    Not making fecking stupid mistakes in the first place would be better.

    Is that too much to expect from a Prime Minister?
    Yes. Yes, it is.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,143


    Paul Johnson
    @PJTheEconomist
    There is only one “change” that will work for Burnham. A genuine, relentless focus on growth.

    Two decades without earnings growth. That’s why electorate is fed up.

    Only growth will repair contract between generations and allow social ills to be tackled
    https://x.com/PJTheEconomist/status/2068777606166585441

    If only another of our multiple governments over the last two decades had thought of that!

    Instead they decided on Brexit...
  • eekeek Posts: 34,130
    HYUFD said:

    Labour source tonight calls Burnham ‘a snivelling little rat’

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2068805226417504347?s=46&t=Gsn9rlDEZH5vXP97Cgifnw

    Given that the rat wasn't willing to put his name to his inaccurate quote - the name is appropriate.

    Reality is it looks like SKS has read the mood and is leaving on something like his own terms.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,936


    Paul Johnson
    @PJTheEconomist
    There is only one “change” that will work for Burnham. A genuine, relentless focus on growth.

    Two decades without earnings growth. That’s why electorate is fed up.

    Only growth will repair contract between generations and allow social ills to be tackled
    https://x.com/PJTheEconomist/status/2068777606166585441

    Even if Burnham got it, which is no certainty, would the party let him take the sort of action that might be required? My hunch is no. I expect him to appoint a really dismal cabinet.
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 5,264

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Burnham will quickly emerge as the most compelling figure in Western politics other than Trump.

    He will be fresher than Macron, have a stronger domestic position than Merz, run a more important country than Carney and have more international relevance than Meloni.

    If he plays his cards right, he could be PM for a decade.

    Burnham would also be the most leftwing leader of the G7. Ten years of Burnham as PM and the UK would be heading towards socialism
    and the next thing we know, we would find all our healthcare needs being met for free?
    Burnham would be the most leftwing PM in my lifetime, CCHQ will already preparing the attack ads on his tax rises
    I am old enough to remember Burnham as a Blairite.
    His lack of consistency will be an issue
    What he does or does not do in the next two to three years is what he will be judged on at the next election, not any consistency (or lack thereof) with a Government of what is already two decades ago.
    You only have to look at his rapid WASPI u turn during the by election to see how consistency might still be questioned.
    Burnham's uturns seem to have been politically nimble avoiding political damage. The Uturn to achieve clean air targets in GM using electric buses without the need for a clean air zone clobbering motorists is an example where he made a virtue out of necessity.

    If Starmer had that quality of being able to make uturns without incurring political damage he wouldn't be of necessity announcing his resignation tomorrow. Winter Fuel Allowance is the classic Starmer cock-up (or rather a Reeves cock-up that he failed to snuff out, she must go too.) End result: Keeping the WFA status quo for the vast majority of pensioners (i.e. incomes under £35k), but despite the extra cost still incurring political damage on the same scale as if the uturn hadn't happened. And the government's comms are that bad that a large number of pensioners will be taken by surprise when the WFA they think they lost for good last year turns up unexpectedly this November.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,994
    glw said:


    Paul Johnson
    @PJTheEconomist
    There is only one “change” that will work for Burnham. A genuine, relentless focus on growth.

    Two decades without earnings growth. That’s why electorate is fed up.

    Only growth will repair contract between generations and allow social ills to be tackled
    https://x.com/PJTheEconomist/status/2068777606166585441

    Even if Burnham got it, which is no certainty, would the party let him take the sort of action that might be required? My hunch is no. I expect him to appoint a really dismal cabinet.
    I think Burnham does get it.

    Its the party that is the problem.

    Hopefully enough of them are now so scared of unemployment at the next election they accept they have to follow some leadership.

    Actually getting some leadership would be a pleasant change after past two years. Whether Burnham is able to do that is the other big unknown.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,994

    glw said:

    Centrist Dad latest:


    Tim Farron
    @timfarron
    ·
    54m
    Starmer’s been a poor PM, but the vitriol and hatred towards him is just weird. It comes from both the far left and far right. It’s contrived by people whose motives are deeply suspect. Part of me wants him to survive just to spite them.

    https://x.com/timfarron/status/2068794594309840983

    He has many flaws, but nothing that warrants the hatred. From what I've seen much of the hatred is justified by things that are nothing to do with Starmer, and often not even things that are really factual. There's an awful lot of social media driven nonsense stirred up by all sorts of bad actors from at home and abroad.
    I do find his belief in his own moral superiority hard to stomach. And his inability to be authentic when speaking about his background is again a barrier to liking him.

    Fundamentally he has never articulated a political philosophy or vision.

    None of this is enough to hate him. But there is plenty not to like.

    As I said yesterday, I do believe that this has all been very difficult for him on a personal level and I do have empathy for him for that.

    But political careers almost always end in failure. His has happened far earlier than he could have anticipated.

    However it needs to end and to end quickly.

    He has time to do another high profile job if he chooses.
    Nu10k job?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,442


    Paul Johnson
    @PJTheEconomist
    There is only one “change” that will work for Burnham. A genuine, relentless focus on growth.

    Two decades without earnings growth. That’s why electorate is fed up.

    Only growth will repair contract between generations and allow social ills to be tackled
    https://x.com/PJTheEconomist/status/2068777606166585441

    There won't be much growth as long as 53% of households are taking more from the government than they're paying into the system.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,721

    glw said:

    Centrist Dad latest:


    Tim Farron
    @timfarron
    ·
    54m
    Starmer’s been a poor PM, but the vitriol and hatred towards him is just weird. It comes from both the far left and far right. It’s contrived by people whose motives are deeply suspect. Part of me wants him to survive just to spite them.

    https://x.com/timfarron/status/2068794594309840983

    He has many flaws, but nothing that warrants the hatred. From what I've seen much of the hatred is justified by things that are nothing to do with Starmer, and often not even things that are really factual. There's an awful lot of social media driven nonsense stirred up by all sorts of bad actors from at home and abroad.
    I do find his belief in his own moral superiority hard to stomach. And his inability to be authentic when speaking about his background is again a barrier to liking him.

    Fundamentally he has never articulated a political philosophy or vision.

    None of this is enough to hate him. But there is plenty not to like.

    As I said yesterday, I do believe that this has all been very difficult for him on a personal level and I do have empathy for him for that.

    But political careers almost always end in failure. His has happened far earlier than he could have anticipated.

    However it needs to end and to end quickly.

    He has time to do another high profile job if he chooses.
    Nu10k job?
    Strictly.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,056

    glw said:

    Centrist Dad latest:


    Tim Farron
    @timfarron
    ·
    54m
    Starmer’s been a poor PM, but the vitriol and hatred towards him is just weird. It comes from both the far left and far right. It’s contrived by people whose motives are deeply suspect. Part of me wants him to survive just to spite them.

    https://x.com/timfarron/status/2068794594309840983

    He has many flaws, but nothing that warrants the hatred. From what I've seen much of the hatred is justified by things that are nothing to do with Starmer, and often not even things that are really factual. There's an awful lot of social media driven nonsense stirred up by all sorts of bad actors from at home and abroad.
    I do find his belief in his own moral superiority hard to stomach. And his inability to be authentic when speaking about his background is again a barrier to liking him.

    Fundamentally he has never articulated a political philosophy or vision.

    None of this is enough to hate him. But there is plenty not to like.

    As I said yesterday, I do believe that this has all been very difficult for him on a personal level and I do have empathy for him for that.

    But political careers almost always end in failure. His has happened far earlier than he could have anticipated.

    However it needs to end and to end quickly.

    He has time to do another high profile job if he chooses.
    Nu10k job?
    Strictly.
    1st out if he did. Which he won't, thankfully

    He may well go back to chambers with Hermer and take on a few high profile cases.
  • Andy_JS said:

    Has anyone likened Starmer's downfall to a Shakesperian tragedy yet?

    A Comedy of Errors.
    It is Shakespearean in the sense that the tragedy and downfall is driven by the character flaw: in this case that he is a dull-as-ditch-water technocrat
    'Is this a toolmaker which I see before me?'
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,188

    glw said:


    Paul Johnson
    @PJTheEconomist
    There is only one “change” that will work for Burnham. A genuine, relentless focus on growth.

    Two decades without earnings growth. That’s why electorate is fed up.

    Only growth will repair contract between generations and allow social ills to be tackled
    https://x.com/PJTheEconomist/status/2068777606166585441

    Even if Burnham got it, which is no certainty, would the party let him take the sort of action that might be required? My hunch is no. I expect him to appoint a really dismal cabinet.
    I think Burnham does get it.

    Its the party that is the problem.

    Hopefully enough of them are now so scared of unemployment at the next election they accept they have to follow some leadership.

    Actually getting some leadership would be a pleasant change after past two years. Whether Burnham is able to do that is the other big unknown.
    Burnham will lead us towards socialism based on his platform it seems
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,639
    edited 10:10PM
    Oh, and by the way, apologies if this is aready widely assumed (haven't been keeping up with the news), but SKS will resign tomorrow.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,442
    I cannot believe the Burnham camp really wants a 3 month transition period. It would be a gift to Farage.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,888
    Cookie said:

    Oh, and by the way, apologies if this is aready widely assumed (haven't been keeping up with the news), but SKS will resign tomorrow.

    The question is whether his resignation is actually a resignation or a resignation in the sense of a procedure that is a resignation by doesn’t actually count as him resigning.

    Also will he inform himself about the resignation? If so, when will the papers cross his desk?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,188
    Andy_JS said:

    I cannot believe the Burnham camp really wants a 3 month transition period. It would be a gift to Farage.

    Burnham has no electoral mandate from the voters for his tax and spend manifesto, if he is going to be PM the least he can do is face a proper leadership contest against a more New Labour alternative like Streeting
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,121
    Foxy said:


    Paul Johnson
    @PJTheEconomist
    There is only one “change” that will work for Burnham. A genuine, relentless focus on growth.

    Two decades without earnings growth. That’s why electorate is fed up.

    Only growth will repair contract between generations and allow social ills to be tackled
    https://x.com/PJTheEconomist/status/2068777606166585441

    If only another of our multiple governments over the last two decades had thought of that!

    Instead they decided on Brexit...
    We did invest a lot of money in some stuff..
    Whether we spent it well is another matter.

    The total amount of funding raised by anthropic to date is equivalent to the earmarked HS2 spend in the UK
    https://x.com/krishnanrohit/status/2068782596658471149
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,442
    Cape Verde lead Uruguay 1-0 after 21 mins.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,076
    CAPE VERDE!!!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,143
    Andy_JS said:

    I cannot believe the Burnham camp really wants a 3 month transition period. It would be a gift to Farage.

    I don't think he does. Starmer is at the bartering phase of the grief process.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,143

    CAPE VERDE!!!

    Class team for such a small country.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,639
    Ooh, Cape Verde have scored against dirty dirty Uruguay*.

    *Obviousy all footballers are dirty. And especially non-English-speaking-or-Scandinavian ones. And especialy South American ones. But Uruguay are the dirtiest of the lot.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,162
    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I cannot believe the Burnham camp really wants a 3 month transition period. It would be a gift to Farage.

    I don't think he does. Starmer is at the bartering phase of the grief process.
    Grief has never yet bargained with the man behind the Chagos deal.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,056
    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I cannot believe the Burnham camp really wants a 3 month transition period. It would be a gift to Farage.

    Burnham has no electoral mandate from the voters for his tax and spend manifesto, if he is going to be PM the least he can do is face a proper leadership contest against a more New Labour alternative like Streeting
    I agree that it would be better for his vision and policies to be tested

    But Starmer et al need to do nothing other than deal with emergencies until they leave government.

    We cannot tolerate Starmer seeking to advance any policy now that his authority has gone.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,722
    Cookie said:

    Good evening all,
    Those who were here yesterday may remember me mentioning the coast to coast bike ride I was doing with my daughter; pleased to report we completed it successfully, arriving in Tynemouth at 2.30 this afternoon. A wonderful morning; June had pulled out absolutely all the stops in the North of England: fields of wheat waving lazily, sheep ambling fatly down the lanes, wildflowers, hares, hawks. I had done a similar,truncated route last summer and felt a little cheated; there were views somewhere behind the cloud, but none that I could see. But this weekend was absolutely perfect.
    Also Newcastle is a lovely, lovely city, and North Shields and Tynemouth perfect suburbs.
    I'm very proud of her. Not many 14 year olds have achieved something like this and she's raised o er £1500 for her voluntary work in Cambodia.
    To celebrate the day, here is a picture of a field of poppies near Ovingham:

    Gorgeous.
    Both my kids went to Ovingham Middle School.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,405
    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I cannot believe the Burnham camp really wants a 3 month transition period. It would be a gift to Farage.

    Burnham has no electoral mandate from the voters for his tax and spend manifesto, if he is going to be PM the least he can do is face a proper leadership contest against a more New Labour alternative like Streeting
    He would beat Streeting out of sight and it would cause utter chaos

    And frankly if he raises taxes then so be it
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,891
    Might be a lively day tomorrow. Not just in the World Cup!

    GN all 👍
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,372
    Andy_JS said:

    I cannot believe the Burnham camp really wants a 3 month transition period. It would be a gift to Farage.

    You wouldn't want to start during silly season...
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,143

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I cannot believe the Burnham camp really wants a 3 month transition period. It would be a gift to Farage.

    I don't think he does. Starmer is at the bartering phase of the grief process.
    Grief has never yet bargained with the man behind the Chagos deal.
    Is that why Cleverley has gone quiet?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,188

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I cannot believe the Burnham camp really wants a 3 month transition period. It would be a gift to Farage.

    Burnham has no electoral mandate from the voters for his tax and spend manifesto, if he is going to be PM the least he can do is face a proper leadership contest against a more New Labour alternative like Streeting
    He would beat Streeting out of sight and it would cause utter chaos

    And frankly if he raises taxes then so be it
    Well offers some ammunition for Kemi if he raises taxes but not good for our economy and growth
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,442
    edited 10:35PM
    This is going to be a relatively short heatwave. By Friday/Saturday many places are going to be back to pretty much average temperatures, as far as I can see from the places I've looked at so far.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,639
    dixiedean said:

    Cookie said:

    Good evening all,
    Those who were here yesterday may remember me mentioning the coast to coast bike ride I was doing with my daughter; pleased to report we completed it successfully, arriving in Tynemouth at 2.30 this afternoon. A wonderful morning; June had pulled out absolutely all the stops in the North of England: fields of wheat waving lazily, sheep ambling fatly down the lanes, wildflowers, hares, hawks. I had done a similar,truncated route last summer and felt a little cheated; there were views somewhere behind the cloud, but none that I could see. But this weekend was absolutely perfect.
    Also Newcastle is a lovely, lovely city, and North Shields and Tynemouth perfect suburbs.
    I'm very proud of her. Not many 14 year olds have achieved something like this and she's raised o er £1500 for her voluntary work in Cambodia.
    To celebrate the day, here is a picture of a field of poppies near Ovingham:

    Gorgeous.
    Both my kids went to Ovingham Middle School.
    We cycled past that! I remember thinking "ooh, a midde school - how quirkily Northumberland".
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,994
    Andy_JS said:

    This is going to be a relatively short heatwave. By Friday most places are going to be back to pretty much average temperatures, as far as I can see from the places I've looked at so far.

    So its going to be hot during the work week but cool during the weekend?

    Thanks Starmer Burnham!
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,056
    Andy_JS said:

    This is going to be a relatively short heatwave. By Friday/Saturday many places are going to be back to pretty much average temperatures, as far as I can see from the places I've looked at so far.

    Will take a few days for most buildings to cool off enough to feel comfortable
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,774
    The Cure were absolutely brilliant tonight live at the Isle of Wight Festival, just pitch perfect. And Robert Smith was just superb and he sounded amazing. So many great stand out songs to choose from, but Pictures of You was my favourite watching it tonight. 🥰
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,143
    I like this Cape Verde side. Looking for a second goal with positive football.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 6,088
    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:


    Paul Johnson
    @PJTheEconomist
    There is only one “change” that will work for Burnham. A genuine, relentless focus on growth.

    Two decades without earnings growth. That’s why electorate is fed up.

    Only growth will repair contract between generations and allow social ills to be tackled
    https://x.com/PJTheEconomist/status/2068777606166585441

    If only another of our multiple governments over the last two decades had thought of that!

    Instead they decided on Brexit...
    We did invest a lot of money in some stuff..
    Whether we spent it well is another matter.

    The total amount of funding raised by anthropic to date is equivalent to the earmarked HS2 spend in the UK
    https://x.com/krishnanrohit/status/2068782596658471149
    That's a little depressing. In the past few hours I've had not-fable claude knock out about three months of work and - in theory - saved a few hundred grand from some budget or other.

    And for some reason reminds me of this recent-ish and quite lovely PJ Harvey cover of "Of that all there is?" :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2iC4rCI01w

  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,722
    edited 10:45PM
    Cookie said:

    dixiedean said:

    Cookie said:

    Good evening all,
    Those who were here yesterday may remember me mentioning the coast to coast bike ride I was doing with my daughter; pleased to report we completed it successfully, arriving in Tynemouth at 2.30 this afternoon. A wonderful morning; June had pulled out absolutely all the stops in the North of England: fields of wheat waving lazily, sheep ambling fatly down the lanes, wildflowers, hares, hawks. I had done a similar,truncated route last summer and felt a little cheated; there were views somewhere behind the cloud, but none that I could see. But this weekend was absolutely perfect.
    Also Newcastle is a lovely, lovely city, and North Shields and Tynemouth perfect suburbs.
    I'm very proud of her. Not many 14 year olds have achieved something like this and she's raised o er £1500 for her voluntary work in Cambodia.
    To celebrate the day, here is a picture of a field of poppies near Ovingham:

    Gorgeous.
    Both my kids went to Ovingham Middle School.
    We cycled past that! I remember thinking "ooh, a midde school - how quirkily Northumberland".
    They've only been kept in the posh areas.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,076
    Uruguay equalise 1-1
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 6,017
    edited 10:50PM
    Andy_JS said:

    This is going to be a relatively short heatwave. By Friday/Saturday many places are going to be back to pretty much average temperatures, as far as I can see from the places I've looked at so far.

    There's hints at a return by the first week in July. But lets deal with this one first...

    Perhaps Our Andy will bring Manchester weather to the rest of the country and we'll all be saved.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,442
    2-1 Uruguay.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,076
    Uruguay take the lead 2-1 at the stroke of half-time.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,722
    Uruguay lead.
  • The_WoodpeckerThe_Woodpecker Posts: 582
    Bielsa knows!
  • KnightOutKnightOut Posts: 280
    Being unable to avoid the nonsensical blatherings of people who use Celsius is probably the worst thing about the heatwave.

    Surely we should be able to deploy a personal AI translation layer by now that does the unit conversion before it reaches the UI, then it would just be real life where I'd have to endure such unrelatable idiocy...
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,143

    Uruguay take the lead 2-1 at the stroke of half-time.

    Boo!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,442
    A coronation leading to Burnham as PM within days makes sense.

    A leadership election leading to Burnham (or someone else) becoming PM in September makes sense.

    What doesn't make sense is a coronation that doesn't lead to Burnham becoming PM until September.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,162
    edited 11:35PM
    Andy_JS said:

    A coronation leading to Burnham as PM within days makes sense.

    A leadership election leading to Burnham (or someone else) becoming PM in September makes sense.

    What doesn't make sense is a coronation that doesn't lead to Burnham becoming PM until September.

    Yes, it was different when the transition was from Blair to Brown because he was already basically running the government, so a long delay didn’t matter.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,994
    Cape Verde equalise.

    Wow!
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