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The cabinet are revolting – politicalbetting.com

The above is a screenshot from The Times and I think we’re in the endgame of the Starmer premiership and it’s not even been two years since he won a massive majority.

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  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,698
    First like Our Andy.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,698
    Nick Tyrone manfully takes on the Spectator task of explaining why the real winners of last night's three by elections was Reform.

    https://spectator.com/article/reforms-defeat-in-makerfield-is-a-blessing-in-disguise/
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,082
    Try and hang.. on, surely?
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 26,308
    Bye bye Rachel

    You were totally shit

    But cheer up your successor will make you look a shining star
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,636
    Nigelb said:

    Try and hang.. on, surely?

    Hang together or hang separately, as the old saw has it.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,698
    Nigelb said:

    Try and hang.. on, surely?

    Hopefully things aren't quite that bad.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,924
    Nigelb said:

    Try and hang.. on, surely?

    I am having an absolute mare in the last hour.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,712
    edited 2:03PM
    FPT:
    Eabhal said:

    The most frustrating thing about O&G is the amount of focus it gets despite it being, in the grand scheme of things, a rounding error to the economy and our energy security - particularly looking forward over the next 50 years.

    It’s the equivalent of the left wittering on about the monarchy. Sure, it’s absurd and you wouldn’t design it that way, but it’s a waste of time and energy when there are much more important topics to deal with.

    Scotland is generating 40TWh of electricity a year - double our consumption, and that’s before you take into account curtailment. The UK already has 100 GWh of battery capacity and on current trends/planning will have well over 500 GWh by 2030 (including V2G). We have barely any solar and yet we’re already peaking at 15GW.

    We’ll look back at threads like this and laugh.

    Indeed. It's a debate I've nearly stopped engaging in, as I think the direction is baked in - just like ULEZs and default 20mph limits in England.

    From what I see, Miliband has been doing some very important things such as sorting out the order in which projects get their "grid connection" slots to make it "who is ready first" rather than "in order of when they asked". The latter apparently lead to a lot of "shadow applications" to guarantee the slots, which mean there was a 6-7 year backlog comprising solar capacity equivalent to a couple of times our peak electricity demand.

    Perhaps Ed Milliband will be kept at Energy !

    That will be good for the PB blood pressure.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,924
    MattW said:

    FPT:

    Eabhal said:

    The most frustrating thing about O&G is the amount of focus it gets despite it being, in the grand scheme of things, a rounding error to the economy and our energy security - particularly looking forward over the next 50 years.

    It’s the equivalent of the left wittering on about the monarchy. Sure, it’s absurd and you wouldn’t design it that way, but it’s a waste of time and energy when there are much more important topics to deal with.

    Scotland is generating 40TWh of electricity a year - double our consumption, and that’s before you take into account curtailment. The UK already has 100 GWh of battery capacity and on current trends/planning will have well over 500 GWh by 2030 (including V2G). We have barely any solar and yet we’re already peaking at 15GW.

    We’ll look back at threads like this and laugh.

    Indeed. It's a debate I've nearly stopped engaging in.

    From what I see, Miliband has been doing some very important things such as sorting out the order in which projects get their "grid connection" slots to make it "who is ready first" rather than "in order of when they asked". The latter apparently lead to a lot of "shadow applications" to guarantee the slots, which mean there was a 6-7 year backlog comprising solar capacity equivalent to a couple of times our peak electricity demand.

    Perhaps Ed Milliband will be kept at Energy !

    That will be good for the PB blood pressure.
    He needs to be the next Chancellor of the Exchequer.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,924
    dixiedean said:

    Nick Tyrone manfully takes on the Spectator task of explaining why the real winners of last night's three by elections was Reform.

    https://spectator.com/article/reforms-defeat-in-makerfield-is-a-blessing-in-disguise/

    I saw some SNP people trying to argue that the Aberdeen South result was a success for the SNP.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,000
    Still with you, Sir Keir.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 48,020
    dixiedean said:

    Nick Tyrone manfully takes on the Spectator task of explaining why the real winners of last night's three by elections was Reform.

    https://spectator.com/article/reforms-defeat-in-makerfield-is-a-blessing-in-disguise/

    These centrist dads get everywhere.

    'Neoliberal Centrist Dad, hoping British politics gets better. Author of the upcoming "Rise of Reform", from Swift Press'
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,082
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Nigelb said:

    Try and hang.. on, surely?

    I am having an absolute mare in the last hour.
    Horseplay ?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,636
    MattW said:

    FPT:

    Eabhal said:

    The most frustrating thing about O&G is the amount of focus it gets despite it being, in the grand scheme of things, a rounding error to the economy and our energy security - particularly looking forward over the next 50 years.

    It’s the equivalent of the left wittering on about the monarchy. Sure, it’s absurd and you wouldn’t design it that way, but it’s a waste of time and energy when there are much more important topics to deal with.

    Scotland is generating 40TWh of electricity a year - double our consumption, and that’s before you take into account curtailment. The UK already has 100 GWh of battery capacity and on current trends/planning will have well over 500 GWh by 2030 (including V2G). We have barely any solar and yet we’re already peaking at 15GW.

    We’ll look back at threads like this and laugh.

    Indeed. It's a debate I've nearly stopped engaging in, as I think the direction is baked in - just like ULEZs and default 20mph limits in England.

    From what I see, Miliband has been doing some very important things such as sorting out the order in which projects get their "grid connection" slots to make it "who is ready first" rather than "in order of when they asked". The latter apparently lead to a lot of "shadow applications" to guarantee the slots, which mean there was a 6-7 year backlog comprising solar capacity equivalent to a couple of times our peak electricity demand.

    Perhaps Ed Milliband will be kept at Energy !

    That will be good for the PB blood pressure.
    Regardless of whether you like or dislike his policies, Ed Miliband does seem to be an excellent organiser and administrator, who has actually got things done in his Department.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,082
    This was Meloni "begging":
    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/2067952439718789253
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,924
    edited 2:22PM
    Nigelb said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Nigelb said:

    Try and hang.. on, surely?

    I am having an absolute mare in the last hour.
    Horseplay ?
    Well I sent a WhatsApp to the wrong person.

    I've scheduled a meeting for when I'm on holiday.

    And I'm still pissed off I didn't win £300 by 0.2%.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,400
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MattW said:

    FPT:

    Eabhal said:

    The most frustrating thing about O&G is the amount of focus it gets despite it being, in the grand scheme of things, a rounding error to the economy and our energy security - particularly looking forward over the next 50 years.

    It’s the equivalent of the left wittering on about the monarchy. Sure, it’s absurd and you wouldn’t design it that way, but it’s a waste of time and energy when there are much more important topics to deal with.

    Scotland is generating 40TWh of electricity a year - double our consumption, and that’s before you take into account curtailment. The UK already has 100 GWh of battery capacity and on current trends/planning will have well over 500 GWh by 2030 (including V2G). We have barely any solar and yet we’re already peaking at 15GW.

    We’ll look back at threads like this and laugh.

    Indeed. It's a debate I've nearly stopped engaging in.

    From what I see, Miliband has been doing some very important things such as sorting out the order in which projects get their "grid connection" slots to make it "who is ready first" rather than "in order of when they asked". The latter apparently lead to a lot of "shadow applications" to guarantee the slots, which mean there was a 6-7 year backlog comprising solar capacity equivalent to a couple of times our peak electricity demand.

    Perhaps Ed Milliband will be kept at Energy !

    That will be good for the PB blood pressure.
    He needs to be the next Chancellor of the Exchequer.
    Might I enquire why - 33 times?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,000
    Nigelb said:

    This was Meloni "begging":
    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/2067952439718789253

    It's just how he asserts dominance because normally no one internationally will call him a liar about such things.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,581
    MattW said:

    FPT:

    Eabhal said:

    The most frustrating thing about O&G is the amount of focus it gets despite it being, in the grand scheme of things, a rounding error to the economy and our energy security - particularly looking forward over the next 50 years.

    It’s the equivalent of the left wittering on about the monarchy. Sure, it’s absurd and you wouldn’t design it that way, but it’s a waste of time and energy when there are much more important topics to deal with.

    Scotland is generating 40TWh of electricity a year - double our consumption, and that’s before you take into account curtailment. The UK already has 100 GWh of battery capacity and on current trends/planning will have well over 500 GWh by 2030 (including V2G). We have barely any solar and yet we’re already peaking at 15GW.

    We’ll look back at threads like this and laugh.

    Indeed. It's a debate I've nearly stopped engaging in, as I think the direction is baked in - just like ULEZs and default 20mph limits in England.

    From what I see, Miliband has been doing some very important things such as sorting out the order in which projects get their "grid connection" slots to make it "who is ready first" rather than "in order of when they asked". The latter apparently lead to a lot of "shadow applications" to guarantee the slots, which mean there was a 6-7 year backlog comprising solar capacity equivalent to a couple of times our peak electricity demand.

    Perhaps Ed Milliband will be kept at Energy !

    That will be good for the PB blood pressure.
    BTW, both @Malmesbury and I have been saying the same thing for about three years.
  • eekeek Posts: 34,084
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Nigelb said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Nigelb said:

    Try and hang.. on, surely?

    I am having an absolute mare in the last hour.
    Horseplay ?
    Well I sent a WhatsApp to the wrong person.

    I've scheduled a meeting for when I'm holiday.

    And I'm still pissed off I didn't win £300 by 0.2%.
    All of the above is due to your annoyance regarding the last bit
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 48,020
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    dixiedean said:

    Nick Tyrone manfully takes on the Spectator task of explaining why the real winners of last night's three by elections was Reform.

    https://spectator.com/article/reforms-defeat-in-makerfield-is-a-blessing-in-disguise/

    I saw some SNP people trying to argue that the Aberdeen South result was a success for the SNP.
    That’s nothing, I’ve seen PBers arguing that Aberdeen South means that the Kemiservatives ARE BACK!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,924
    eek said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Nigelb said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Nigelb said:

    Try and hang.. on, surely?

    I am having an absolute mare in the last hour.
    Horseplay ?
    Well I sent a WhatsApp to the wrong person.

    I've scheduled a meeting for when I'm holiday.

    And I'm still pissed off I didn't win £300 by 0.2%.
    All of the above is due to your annoyance regarding the last bit
    Yup.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,000
    Theuniondivvie said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    dixiedean said:

    Nick Tyrone manfully takes on the Spectator task of explaining why the real winners of last night's three by elections was Reform.

    https://spectator.com/article/reforms-defeat-in-makerfield-is-a-blessing-in-disguise/

    I saw some SNP people trying to argue that the Aberdeen South result was a success for the SNP.
    That’s nothing, I’ve seen PBers arguing that Aberdeen South means that the Kemiservatives ARE BACK!
    It means they're not dead at least, in specific circumstances.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,924
    Theuniondivvie said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    dixiedean said:

    Nick Tyrone manfully takes on the Spectator task of explaining why the real winners of last night's three by elections was Reform.

    https://spectator.com/article/reforms-defeat-in-makerfield-is-a-blessing-in-disguise/

    I saw some SNP people trying to argue that the Aberdeen South result was a success for the SNP.
    That’s nothing, I’ve seen PBers arguing that Aberdeen South means that the Kemiservatives ARE BACK!
    Indeed.

    As I noted this morning, both Makerfield and Aberdeen South should be limited to the present circumstances only and shouldn't be extrapolated.
  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 7,420
    Nick Tyrone is a drivel merchant
  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 7,420
    Starmer out by end of June!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,000
    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    Starmer out by end of June!

    Give him till 5 July at least.

    Our oldest PM at start for 50 years. Doesn't really look it in fairness.
  • eekeek Posts: 34,084
    kle4 said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    dixiedean said:

    Nick Tyrone manfully takes on the Spectator task of explaining why the real winners of last night's three by elections was Reform.

    https://spectator.com/article/reforms-defeat-in-makerfield-is-a-blessing-in-disguise/

    I saw some SNP people trying to argue that the Aberdeen South result was a success for the SNP.
    That’s nothing, I’ve seen PBers arguing that Aberdeen South means that the Kemiservatives ARE BACK!
    It means they're not dead at least, in specific circumstances.
    It’s this (forlorn) hope that’s eventually going to kill the few remaining Tories
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,000
    eek said:

    kle4 said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    dixiedean said:

    Nick Tyrone manfully takes on the Spectator task of explaining why the real winners of last night's three by elections was Reform.

    https://spectator.com/article/reforms-defeat-in-makerfield-is-a-blessing-in-disguise/

    I saw some SNP people trying to argue that the Aberdeen South result was a success for the SNP.
    That’s nothing, I’ve seen PBers arguing that Aberdeen South means that the Kemiservatives ARE BACK!
    It means they're not dead at least, in specific circumstances.
    It’s this (forlorn) hope that’s eventually going to kill the few remaining Tories
    If Labour take the lead under Burnham perhaps some opportunistic Reform supporters will return. Maybe.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,867
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    dixiedean said:

    Nick Tyrone manfully takes on the Spectator task of explaining why the real winners of last night's three by elections was Reform.

    https://spectator.com/article/reforms-defeat-in-makerfield-is-a-blessing-in-disguise/

    I saw some SNP people trying to argue that the Aberdeen South result was a success for the SNP.
    That’s nothing, I’ve seen PBers arguing that Aberdeen South means that the Kemiservatives ARE BACK!
    Indeed.

    As I noted this morning, both Makerfield and Aberdeen South should be limited to the present circumstances only and shouldn't be extrapolated.
    The Manchester Mayoral election will be of interest. It will tell us how widespread and transferable the Burnseiah Effect is.

    If it isn’t, Labour loses. And the shine comes off Burnham rather rapidly.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,564
    Battlebus said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MattW said:

    FPT:

    Eabhal said:

    The most frustrating thing about O&G is the amount of focus it gets despite it being, in the grand scheme of things, a rounding error to the economy and our energy security - particularly looking forward over the next 50 years.

    It’s the equivalent of the left wittering on about the monarchy. Sure, it’s absurd and you wouldn’t design it that way, but it’s a waste of time and energy when there are much more important topics to deal with.

    Scotland is generating 40TWh of electricity a year - double our consumption, and that’s before you take into account curtailment. The UK already has 100 GWh of battery capacity and on current trends/planning will have well over 500 GWh by 2030 (including V2G). We have barely any solar and yet we’re already peaking at 15GW.

    We’ll look back at threads like this and laugh.

    Indeed. It's a debate I've nearly stopped engaging in.

    From what I see, Miliband has been doing some very important things such as sorting out the order in which projects get their "grid connection" slots to make it "who is ready first" rather than "in order of when they asked". The latter apparently lead to a lot of "shadow applications" to guarantee the slots, which mean there was a 6-7 year backlog comprising solar capacity equivalent to a couple of times our peak electricity demand.

    Perhaps Ed Milliband will be kept at Energy !

    That will be good for the PB blood pressure.
    He needs to be the next Chancellor of the Exchequer.
    Might I enquire why - 33 times?
    He’s already unpopular and likely has no further ambitions, hence the ideal guy to be bold and raise a shedload of money so that Labour can actually do some stuff?
  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 7,420
    Malmesbury said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    dixiedean said:

    Nick Tyrone manfully takes on the Spectator task of explaining why the real winners of last night's three by elections was Reform.

    https://spectator.com/article/reforms-defeat-in-makerfield-is-a-blessing-in-disguise/

    I saw some SNP people trying to argue that the Aberdeen South result was a success for the SNP.
    That’s nothing, I’ve seen PBers arguing that Aberdeen South means that the Kemiservatives ARE BACK!
    Indeed.

    As I noted this morning, both Makerfield and Aberdeen South should be limited to the present circumstances only and shouldn't be extrapolated.
    The Manchester Mayoral election will be of interest. It will tell us how widespread and transferable the Burnseiah Effect is.

    If it isn’t, Labour loses. And the shine comes off Burnham rather rapidly.
    It’s STV. Should be easy Labour hold
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,564
    eek said:

    kle4 said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    dixiedean said:

    Nick Tyrone manfully takes on the Spectator task of explaining why the real winners of last night's three by elections was Reform.

    https://spectator.com/article/reforms-defeat-in-makerfield-is-a-blessing-in-disguise/

    I saw some SNP people trying to argue that the Aberdeen South result was a success for the SNP.
    That’s nothing, I’ve seen PBers arguing that Aberdeen South means that the Kemiservatives ARE BACK!
    It means they're not dead at least, in specific circumstances.
    It’s this (forlorn) hope that’s eventually going to kill the few remaining Tories
    This is however an interesting straw in the wind, via Freedman:

    There’s also factional infighting within Reform, which does tend to be the pattern with Farage’s parties. It’s worth reading this recent piece by a Conservative councillor who defected to Reform, and has now defected back, on the challenges this creates. Clearly it’s not an unbiased article given the author is trying to make amends with his colleagues, but this section on how other Tories who moved over now feel is broadly true:

    “[They] privately admit how much they miss their former Party and how concerned they are with the dysfunction within Reform. They say ‘focus on what you can get out of it’ and ‘just go with the flow’. Many share my concerns but unlike me they are afraid to admit they made a mistake.”

    Quite a few of the defectors did so for reasons of naked ambition rather than ideology, on the assumption that the Tories were falling apart. But Reform’s poll ratings have fallen and the Conservatives’ have stayed stubbornly static. Badenoch’s own ratings have improved a lot. Last night the Tories won back two council seats in Essex, with big majorities, that Reform took just six weeks ago. There are definitely regrets.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,000
    IanB2 said:

    eek said:

    kle4 said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    dixiedean said:

    Nick Tyrone manfully takes on the Spectator task of explaining why the real winners of last night's three by elections was Reform.

    https://spectator.com/article/reforms-defeat-in-makerfield-is-a-blessing-in-disguise/

    I saw some SNP people trying to argue that the Aberdeen South result was a success for the SNP.
    That’s nothing, I’ve seen PBers arguing that Aberdeen South means that the Kemiservatives ARE BACK!
    It means they're not dead at least, in specific circumstances.
    It’s this (forlorn) hope that’s eventually going to kill the few remaining Tories
    This is however an interesting straw in the wind, via Freedman:

    There’s also factional infighting within Reform, which does tend to be the pattern with Farage’s parties. It’s worth reading this recent piece by a Conservative councillor who defected to Reform, and has now defected back, on the challenges this creates. Clearly it’s not an unbiased article given the author is trying to make amends with his colleagues, but this section on how other Tories who moved over now feel is broadly true:

    “[They] privately admit how much they miss their former Party and how concerned they are with the dysfunction within Reform. They say ‘focus on what you can get out of it’ and ‘just go with the flow’. Many share my concerns but unlike me they are afraid to admit they made a mistake.”

    Quite a few of the defectors did so for reasons of naked ambition rather than ideology, on the assumption that the Tories were falling apart. But Reform’s poll ratings have fallen and the Conservatives’ have stayed stubbornly static. Badenoch’s own ratings have improved a lot. Last night the Tories won back two council seats in Essex, with big majorities, that Reform took just six weeks ago. There are definitely regrets.
    The Tories need more Aberdeens to sell a recovery, without a distraction like Makerfield (where their own vote was hilariously low).
  • eekeek Posts: 34,084
    kle4 said:

    eek said:

    kle4 said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    dixiedean said:

    Nick Tyrone manfully takes on the Spectator task of explaining why the real winners of last night's three by elections was Reform.

    https://spectator.com/article/reforms-defeat-in-makerfield-is-a-blessing-in-disguise/

    I saw some SNP people trying to argue that the Aberdeen South result was a success for the SNP.
    That’s nothing, I’ve seen PBers arguing that Aberdeen South means that the Kemiservatives ARE BACK!
    It means they're not dead at least, in specific circumstances.
    It’s this (forlorn) hope that’s eventually going to kill the few remaining Tories
    If Labour take the lead under Burnham perhaps some opportunistic Reform supporters will return. Maybe.
    My viewpoint is that the Reform vote is really the Not Labour and Not Tory vote now given a third option.

    So the Not Tory vote may return to Labour but it's going to require Reform falling below an (unknown, 18%?) percentage before the Never Labour voters start to return to the Tory party.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,924
    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    Malmesbury said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    dixiedean said:

    Nick Tyrone manfully takes on the Spectator task of explaining why the real winners of last night's three by elections was Reform.

    https://spectator.com/article/reforms-defeat-in-makerfield-is-a-blessing-in-disguise/

    I saw some SNP people trying to argue that the Aberdeen South result was a success for the SNP.
    That’s nothing, I’ve seen PBers arguing that Aberdeen South means that the Kemiservatives ARE BACK!
    Indeed.

    As I noted this morning, both Makerfield and Aberdeen South should be limited to the present circumstances only and shouldn't be extrapolated.
    The Manchester Mayoral election will be of interest. It will tell us how widespread and transferable the Burnseiah Effect is.

    If it isn’t, Labour loses. And the shine comes off Burnham rather rapidly.
    It’s STV. Should be easy Labour hold
    No it’s not.

    It’s the Supplementary Vote system that will be used.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,844
    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    This was Meloni "begging":
    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/2067952439718789253

    It's just how he asserts dominance because normally no one internationally will call him a liar about such things.
    I'm discerning increasing unwillingness to kowtow to him both at home and abroad. cf. His lecturing Israel on bombing of the Lebanon, and Netanyahu effectively responding, 'whatevs'. Meanwhile the Kennedy Centre is now known as 'The Kennedy Centre'.

    When the President of the USA spoke the world used to listen. Going forward, not so much.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,102
    Starmer is stubborn and I expect would try and stay on whatever Cabinet members say. After all as incumbent Labour leader he would automatically be on any leadership ballot sent to members while it is Burnham and Streeting as challengers who need Labour MPs to nominate them
  • eekeek Posts: 34,084
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    Malmesbury said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    dixiedean said:

    Nick Tyrone manfully takes on the Spectator task of explaining why the real winners of last night's three by elections was Reform.

    https://spectator.com/article/reforms-defeat-in-makerfield-is-a-blessing-in-disguise/

    I saw some SNP people trying to argue that the Aberdeen South result was a success for the SNP.
    That’s nothing, I’ve seen PBers arguing that Aberdeen South means that the Kemiservatives ARE BACK!
    Indeed.

    As I noted this morning, both Makerfield and Aberdeen South should be limited to the present circumstances only and shouldn't be extrapolated.
    The Manchester Mayoral election will be of interest. It will tell us how widespread and transferable the Burnseiah Effect is.

    If it isn’t, Labour loses. And the shine comes off Burnham rather rapidly.
    It’s STV. Should be easy Labour hold
    No it’s not.

    It’s the Supplementary Vote system that will be used.
    But Labour and Reform are the 2 obvious top two candidates.

    Which means many people are going to put Labour as their second option.

    Got to say it's why I hate that system as it's really protest vote followed by and this is my choice of the 2 people I think are going to be in the top 2.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,000
    I'm about to arrive at a previously Labour for life turned hater of Keir household, it will be interesting to see how they feel about Andy.

    Not Corbynny enough is my guess.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,102
    kle4 said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    dixiedean said:

    Nick Tyrone manfully takes on the Spectator task of explaining why the real winners of last night's three by elections was Reform.

    https://spectator.com/article/reforms-defeat-in-makerfield-is-a-blessing-in-disguise/

    I saw some SNP people trying to argue that the Aberdeen South result was a success for the SNP.
    That’s nothing, I’ve seen PBers arguing that Aberdeen South means that the Kemiservatives ARE BACK!
    It means they're not dead at least, in specific circumstances.
    In London and Scotland especially where Reform are weaker
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,000
    ThomasNashe said:

    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    This was Meloni "begging":
    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/2067952439718789253

    It's just how he asserts dominance because normally no one internationally will call him a liar about such things.
    I'm discerning increasing unwillingness to kowtow to him both at home and abroad. cf. His lecturing Israel on bombing of the Lebanon, and Netanyahu effectively responding, 'whatevs'. Meanwhile the Kennedy Centre is now known as 'The Kennedy Centre'.

    When the President of the USA spoke the world used to listen. Going forward, not so much.
    The US is the most powerful but they have lost easy deference by being dicks about it. Other leaders have electorates, they cannot be humilated or they will react!
  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 7,420
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    Malmesbury said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    dixiedean said:

    Nick Tyrone manfully takes on the Spectator task of explaining why the real winners of last night's three by elections was Reform.

    https://spectator.com/article/reforms-defeat-in-makerfield-is-a-blessing-in-disguise/

    I saw some SNP people trying to argue that the Aberdeen South result was a success for the SNP.
    That’s nothing, I’ve seen PBers arguing that Aberdeen South means that the Kemiservatives ARE BACK!
    Indeed.

    As I noted this morning, both Makerfield and Aberdeen South should be limited to the present circumstances only and shouldn't be extrapolated.
    The Manchester Mayoral election will be of interest. It will tell us how widespread and transferable the Burnseiah Effect is.

    If it isn’t, Labour loses. And the shine comes off Burnham rather rapidly.
    It’s STV. Should be easy Labour hold
    No it’s not.

    It’s the Supplementary Vote system that will be used.
    It begins with an S
  • sladeslade Posts: 2,375
    3 Lib Dem holds in the countermanded election in Bradford.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,082
    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    This was Meloni "begging":
    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/2067952439718789253

    It's just how he asserts dominance because normally no one internationally will call him a liar about such things.
    Well that just changed.
    https://x.com/GiorgiaMeloni/status/2067917590945788408
  • eekeek Posts: 34,084
    kle4 said:

    IanB2 said:

    eek said:

    kle4 said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    dixiedean said:

    Nick Tyrone manfully takes on the Spectator task of explaining why the real winners of last night's three by elections was Reform.

    https://spectator.com/article/reforms-defeat-in-makerfield-is-a-blessing-in-disguise/

    I saw some SNP people trying to argue that the Aberdeen South result was a success for the SNP.
    That’s nothing, I’ve seen PBers arguing that Aberdeen South means that the Kemiservatives ARE BACK!
    It means they're not dead at least, in specific circumstances.
    It’s this (forlorn) hope that’s eventually going to kill the few remaining Tories
    This is however an interesting straw in the wind, via Freedman:

    There’s also factional infighting within Reform, which does tend to be the pattern with Farage’s parties. It’s worth reading this recent piece by a Conservative councillor who defected to Reform, and has now defected back, on the challenges this creates. Clearly it’s not an unbiased article given the author is trying to make amends with his colleagues, but this section on how other Tories who moved over now feel is broadly true:

    “[They] privately admit how much they miss their former Party and how concerned they are with the dysfunction within Reform. They say ‘focus on what you can get out of it’ and ‘just go with the flow’. Many share my concerns but unlike me they are afraid to admit they made a mistake.”

    Quite a few of the defectors did so for reasons of naked ambition rather than ideology, on the assumption that the Tories were falling apart. But Reform’s poll ratings have fallen and the Conservatives’ have stayed stubbornly static. Badenoch’s own ratings have improved a lot. Last night the Tories won back two council seats in Essex, with big majorities, that Reform took just six weeks ago. There are definitely regrets.
    The Tories need more Aberdeens to sell a recovery, without a distraction like Makerfield (where their own vote was hilariously low).
    The great thing about Aberdeen is that it's hidden the disastrous Tory vote in Makerfield from the news. If things had gone differently the Tories losing their deposit so badly would be news..
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 9,648
    While I expect Burnham to replace Starmer, I'm not as sure as others that it will be plain sailing. Around a quarter of Labour MPs have called for Starmer to go. But what about the other three quarters?

    Around 400 Labour MPs, which is a big number, are essentially being told: Starmer needs to go, but none of you are good enough to replace him, so we're getting the bloke from Manchester in to do the job, as he tells us he's the chosen one.
    I wouldn't be surprised if a fair wedge of them, including some Cabinet Ministers, are a bit pissed of that they're not deemed capable of replacing Starmer.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,377
    "Sean Thomas
    My 20-year-old daughter can’t find a job, and the reason is infuriating
    Entry-level work used to be done by our children – now it seems to be given to immigrants"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/19/my-20-year-old-daughter-cant-find-a-job-reason-infuriating/
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 6,341
    edited 2:49PM
    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    Malmesbury said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    dixiedean said:

    Nick Tyrone manfully takes on the Spectator task of explaining why the real winners of last night's three by elections was Reform.

    https://spectator.com/article/reforms-defeat-in-makerfield-is-a-blessing-in-disguise/

    I saw some SNP people trying to argue that the Aberdeen South result was a success for the SNP.
    That’s nothing, I’ve seen PBers arguing that Aberdeen South means that the Kemiservatives ARE BACK!
    Indeed.

    As I noted this morning, both Makerfield and Aberdeen South should be limited to the present circumstances only and shouldn't be extrapolated.
    The Manchester Mayoral election will be of interest. It will tell us how widespread and transferable the Burnseiah Effect is.

    If it isn’t, Labour loses. And the shine comes off Burnham rather rapidly.
    It’s STV. Should be easy Labour hold
    No it’s not.

    It’s the Supplementary Vote system that will be used.
    It begins with an S
    Wikipedia threw me, saying it would be Supplementary Vote then if you followed through the link it took you to Complementary Vote, which I guess is a neighbouring shelf in the electoral health food shop.

    The difference, as far as I could tell, is you still count all the votes and then have a run off between the lead two in both systems, but in the Complementary vote you can put down 3rd, 4th, 5th etc choices, so you don't have to make such a guess as to who will be in the run off. Sounds much superior, so I'm sure we'll just be going back to Supplementary unfortunately.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,124
    HYUFD said:

    Starmer is stubborn and I expect would try and stay on whatever Cabinet members say. After all as incumbent Labour leader he would automatically be on any leadership ballot sent to members while it is Burnham and Streeting as challengers who need Labour MPs to nominate them

    Mrs Thatch' was similar until she saw the writing was on the wall.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 6,341
    Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    My 20-year-old daughter can’t find a job, and the reason is infuriating
    Entry-level work used to be done by our children – now it seems to be given to immigrants"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/19/my-20-year-old-daughter-cant-find-a-job-reason-infuriating/

    I don't necessarily think he is wrong in this respect.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 17,521
    Northern_Al said:

    While I expect Burnham to replace Starmer, I'm not as sure as others that it will be plain sailing. Around a quarter of Labour MPs have called for Starmer to go. But what about the other three quarters?

    Around 400 Labour MPs, which is a big number, are essentially being told: Starmer needs to go, but none of you are good enough to replace him, so we're getting the bloke from Manchester in to do the job, as he tells us he's the chosen one.
    I wouldn't be surprised if a fair wedge of them, including some Cabinet Ministers, are a bit pissed of that they're not deemed capable of replacing Starmer.

    In a way they are all on the same level. The humblest and most useless backbencher has one nomination and one vote. Lots of them can see that they may not keep their seats and will pile in once the big boys have made it clear that's allowed in the playground.

  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,124
    Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    My 20-year-old daughter can’t find a job, and the reason is infuriating
    Entry-level work used to be done by our children – now it seems to be given to immigrants"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/19/my-20-year-old-daughter-cant-find-a-job-reason-infuriating/

    I thought he reckoned all the entry level jobs were being replaced by AI.

    He changes his mind as often as Starmer.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 26,308
    Mexicanpete said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    My 20-year-old daughter can’t find a job, and the reason is infuriating
    Entry-level work used to be done by our children – now it seems to be given to immigrants"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/19/my-20-year-old-daughter-cant-find-a-job-reason-infuriating/

    I thought he reckoned all the entry level jobs were being replaced by AI.

    He changes his mind as often as Starmer.
    Is he currently banned or flouncing ?

    Havent seen him for a while
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,924
    Mexicanpete said:

    HYUFD said:

    Starmer is stubborn and I expect would try and stay on whatever Cabinet members say. After all as incumbent Labour leader he would automatically be on any leadership ballot sent to members while it is Burnham and Streeting as challengers who need Labour MPs to nominate them

    Mrs Thatch' was similar until she saw the writing was on the wall.
    She did have a cabinet with at least some wise people in it though.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,867
    Pro_Rata said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    My 20-year-old daughter can’t find a job, and the reason is infuriating
    Entry-level work used to be done by our children – now it seems to be given to immigrants"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/19/my-20-year-old-daughter-cant-find-a-job-reason-infuriating/

    I don't necessarily think he is wrong in this respect.
    My daughter - university student - sees the same thing. The “starter” jobs are often long term work for those on the bottom of the job ladder
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,124
    Mahmood and Miliband have told the PM to sling his hook accordingly to Shelagh Fogerty on LBC.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,124
    Alanbrooke said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    My 20-year-old daughter can’t find a job, and the reason is infuriating
    Entry-level work used to be done by our children – now it seems to be given to immigrants"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/19/my-20-year-old-daughter-cant-find-a-job-reason-infuriating/

    I thought he reckoned all the entry level jobs were being replaced by AI.

    He changes his mind as often as Starmer.
    Is he currently banned or flouncing ?

    Havent seen him for a while
    SeanT left years ago.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,867
    Mexicanpete said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    My 20-year-old daughter can’t find a job, and the reason is infuriating
    Entry-level work used to be done by our children – now it seems to be given to immigrants"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/19/my-20-year-old-daughter-cant-find-a-job-reason-infuriating/

    I thought he reckoned all the entry level jobs were being replaced by AI.

    He changes his mind as often as Starmer.
    Is he currently banned or flouncing ?

    Havent seen him for a while
    SeanT left years ago.
    Only about half a million of his personalities.

    That left about 2-3 million of them.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 26,308
    Mexicanpete said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    My 20-year-old daughter can’t find a job, and the reason is infuriating
    Entry-level work used to be done by our children – now it seems to be given to immigrants"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/19/my-20-year-old-daughter-cant-find-a-job-reason-infuriating/

    I thought he reckoned all the entry level jobs were being replaced by AI.

    He changes his mind as often as Starmer.
    Is he currently banned or flouncing ?

    Havent seen him for a while
    SeanT left years ago.
    LOL
  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 7,420
    Alanbrooke said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    My 20-year-old daughter can’t find a job, and the reason is infuriating
    Entry-level work used to be done by our children – now it seems to be given to immigrants"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/19/my-20-year-old-daughter-cant-find-a-job-reason-infuriating/

    I thought he reckoned all the entry level jobs were being replaced by AI.

    He changes his mind as often as Starmer.
    Is he currently banned or flouncing ?

    Havent seen him for a while
    SeanT left years ago.
    LOL
    This is banned.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,591
    MattW said:

    FPT:

    Eabhal said:

    The most frustrating thing about O&G is the amount of focus it gets despite it being, in the grand scheme of things, a rounding error to the economy and our energy security - particularly looking forward over the next 50 years.

    It’s the equivalent of the left wittering on about the monarchy. Sure, it’s absurd and you wouldn’t design it that way, but it’s a waste of time and energy when there are much more important topics to deal with.

    Scotland is generating 40TWh of electricity a year - double our consumption, and that’s before you take into account curtailment. The UK already has 100 GWh of battery capacity and on current trends/planning will have well over 500 GWh by 2030 (including V2G). We have barely any solar and yet we’re already peaking at 15GW.

    We’ll look back at threads like this and laugh.

    Indeed. It's a debate I've nearly stopped engaging in, as I think the direction is baked in - just like ULEZs and default 20mph limits in England.

    From what I see, Miliband has been doing some very important things such as sorting out the order in which projects get their "grid connection" slots to make it "who is ready first" rather than "in order of when they asked". The latter apparently lead to a lot of "shadow applications" to guarantee the slots, which mean there was a 6-7 year backlog comprising solar capacity equivalent to a couple of times our peak electricity demand.

    Perhaps Ed Milliband will be kept at Energy !

    That will be good for the PB blood pressure.
    Delays in getting a grid connection is also a PITA for several potential CCS projects.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,698
    edited 3:05PM
    Maybe calling your 20 year old a child isn't conducive to them having the wherewithal to find employment?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,591
    eek said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    Malmesbury said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    dixiedean said:

    Nick Tyrone manfully takes on the Spectator task of explaining why the real winners of last night's three by elections was Reform.

    https://spectator.com/article/reforms-defeat-in-makerfield-is-a-blessing-in-disguise/

    I saw some SNP people trying to argue that the Aberdeen South result was a success for the SNP.
    That’s nothing, I’ve seen PBers arguing that Aberdeen South means that the Kemiservatives ARE BACK!
    Indeed.

    As I noted this morning, both Makerfield and Aberdeen South should be limited to the present circumstances only and shouldn't be extrapolated.
    The Manchester Mayoral election will be of interest. It will tell us how widespread and transferable the Burnseiah Effect is.

    If it isn’t, Labour loses. And the shine comes off Burnham rather rapidly.
    It’s STV. Should be easy Labour hold
    No it’s not.

    It’s the Supplementary Vote system that will be used.
    But Labour and Reform are the 2 obvious top two candidates.

    Which means many people are going to put Labour as their second option.

    Got to say it's why I hate that system as it's really protest vote followed by and this is my choice of the 2 people I think are going to be in the top 2.
    I agree. Why Labour hasn't introduced AV for mayoral elections I have no idea.

    Ironically, if we have Starmer, Burnham and Streeting on the ballot, the country's PM will be selected using AV.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,377
    "The authors who admit to using AI: ‘I have absolutely no shame about it'"

    https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/features/authors-artificial-intelligence-books-b2998498.html
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,115
    Starmer's rivals want to allow him to follow the processing process.

    https://x.com/Peston/status/2067985930183381212

    So I am going to refine what I said below. There will be a conversation between Burnham and Streeting “soon”. But nothing about their future relationship is likely to be decided or announced until Keir Starmer has had time to process and respond to how his own MPs have shifted decisively in favour of him being replaced
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,591
    slade said:

    3 Lib Dem holds in the countermanded election in Bradford.

    Reform thought that they would take 2 of the seats.

    Not even close.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,488
    SandyRentool said:

    eek said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    Malmesbury said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    dixiedean said:

    Nick Tyrone manfully takes on the Spectator task of explaining why the real winners of last night's three by elections was Reform.

    https://spectator.com/article/reforms-defeat-in-makerfield-is-a-blessing-in-disguise/

    I saw some SNP people trying to argue that the Aberdeen South result was a success for the SNP.
    That’s nothing, I’ve seen PBers arguing that Aberdeen South means that the Kemiservatives ARE BACK!
    Indeed.

    As I noted this morning, both Makerfield and Aberdeen South should be limited to the present circumstances only and shouldn't be extrapolated.
    The Manchester Mayoral election will be of interest. It will tell us how widespread and transferable the Burnseiah Effect is.

    If it isn’t, Labour loses. And the shine comes off Burnham rather rapidly.
    It’s STV. Should be easy Labour hold
    No it’s not.

    It’s the Supplementary Vote system that will be used.
    But Labour and Reform are the 2 obvious top two candidates.

    Which means many people are going to put Labour as their second option.

    Got to say it's why I hate that system as it's really protest vote followed by and this is my choice of the 2 people I think are going to be in the top 2.
    I agree. Why Labour hasn't introduced AV for mayoral elections I have no idea.

    Ironically, if we have Starmer, Burnham and Streeting on the ballot, the country's PM will be selected using AV.
    Labour chose SV over AV precisely because it gives them an advantage, particularly over the Lib Dems.

    It's one of the most obviously cynical things they have ever done.
  • ManchesterKurtManchesterKurt Posts: 1,012
    LostPassword said:

    SandyRentool said:

    eek said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    Malmesbury said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    dixiedean said:

    Nick Tyrone manfully takes on the Spectator task of explaining why the real winners of last night's three by elections was Reform.

    https://spectator.com/article/reforms-defeat-in-makerfield-is-a-blessing-in-disguise/

    I saw some SNP people trying to argue that the Aberdeen South result was a success for the SNP.
    That’s nothing, I’ve seen PBers arguing that Aberdeen South means that the Kemiservatives ARE BACK!
    Indeed.

    As I noted this morning, both Makerfield and Aberdeen South should be limited to the present circumstances only and shouldn't be extrapolated.
    The Manchester Mayoral election will be of interest. It will tell us how widespread and transferable the Burnseiah Effect is.

    If it isn’t, Labour loses. And the shine comes off Burnham rather rapidly.
    It’s STV. Should be easy Labour hold
    No it’s not.

    It’s the Supplementary Vote system that will be used.
    But Labour and Reform are the 2 obvious top two candidates.

    Which means many people are going to put Labour as their second option.

    Got to say it's why I hate that system as it's really protest vote followed by and this is my choice of the 2 people I think are going to be in the top 2.
    I agree. Why Labour hasn't introduced AV for mayoral elections I have no idea.

    Ironically, if we have Starmer, Burnham and Streeting on the ballot, the country's PM will be selected using AV.
    Labour chose SV over AV precisely because it gives them an advantage, particularly over the Lib Dems.

    It's one of the most obviously cynical things they have ever done.
    The Labour candidate in Greater Manchester will win over 50% of the vote in the first round of voting, the syste, really is not going to make any difference.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 37,493
    SandyRentool said:

    slade said:

    3 Lib Dem holds in the countermanded election in Bradford.

    Reform thought that they would take 2 of the seats.

    Not even close.
    I’m sure someone else has remarked on this; I’ve been out and about today, but last night did suggest that Reform’s tide has peaked.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 48,020
    dixiedean said:

    Maybe calling your 20 year old a child isn't conducive to them having the wherewithal to find employment?

    As I recall SeanT was more likely to mistake teenage girls for young women, certainly east of the Irrawaddy.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,867
    Theuniondivvie said:

    dixiedean said:

    Maybe calling your 20 year old a child isn't conducive to them having the wherewithal to find employment?

    As I recall SeanT was more likely to mistake teenage girls for young women, certainly east of the Irrawaddy.
    Are you sure that going a bit SeanT on a conversation, before the lagershed, is a good idea?

    Perhaps better left to someone more Byronic?
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 18,592
    FeersumEnjineeya said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    My 20-year-old daughter can’t find a job, and the reason is infuriating
    Entry-level work used to be done by our children – now it seems to be given to immigrants"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/19/my-20-year-old-daughter-cant-find-a-job-reason-infuriating/

    It's one of those irregular thingies:

    My unemployed daughter is priced out of the market by immigrants.
    Your unemployed daughter needs to get on her bike.
    His unemployed daughter is a bone-idle scrounger.
    It can be hard for university students to get work because they're neither at home nor at their place of study all year long. I grew up in the town where I believe Sean T's daughter is at university and even in the 1990s when I worked in a restaurant in the town they employed a lot more local teenagers than university students, presumably because us kids were there all year round. The few female university students they did employ I remember very fondly... I don't think they employed any "immigrants", it was a very monocultural place in those days.
    My 20yo daughter isn't allowed to work during term time, and luckily found an internship in London this summer. Finding temp work in the holidays is very tough, but as I say most employers don't want staff who can only work a fraction of the year.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,203
    eek said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    Malmesbury said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    dixiedean said:

    Nick Tyrone manfully takes on the Spectator task of explaining why the real winners of last night's three by elections was Reform.

    https://spectator.com/article/reforms-defeat-in-makerfield-is-a-blessing-in-disguise/

    I saw some SNP people trying to argue that the Aberdeen South result was a success for the SNP.
    That’s nothing, I’ve seen PBers arguing that Aberdeen South means that the Kemiservatives ARE BACK!
    Indeed.

    As I noted this morning, both Makerfield and Aberdeen South should be limited to the present circumstances only and shouldn't be extrapolated.
    The Manchester Mayoral election will be of interest. It will tell us how widespread and transferable the Burnseiah Effect is.

    If it isn’t, Labour loses. And the shine comes off Burnham rather rapidly.
    It’s STV. Should be easy Labour hold
    No it’s not.

    It’s the Supplementary Vote system that will be used.
    But Labour and Reform are the 2 obvious top two candidates.

    Which means many people are going to put Labour as their second option.

    Got to say it's why I hate that system as it's really protest vote followed by and this is my choice of the 2 people I think are going to be in the top 2.
    The bigger problem is that people put their compromise candidate as their first choice and give their second choice to the party they really like.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,636
    Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    My 20-year-old daughter can’t find a job, and the reason is infuriating
    Entry-level work used to be done by our children – now it seems to be given to immigrants"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/19/my-20-year-old-daughter-cant-find-a-job-reason-infuriating/

    By coincidence, my calendar's inspirational thought for the day is from PB's Leon. But he might be wrong about his daughter. A lot of entry level work in retail disappeared when high streets were boarded up, in catering when pubs and restaurants closed, and a lot of white collar entry level work has been given to AI (or at least, that's the excuse the PHBs give for not hiring). Tories will add that Labour's job taxes don't help by destroying negative differentials but if the jobs aren't there in the first place...
  • eekeek Posts: 34,084
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    My 20-year-old daughter can’t find a job, and the reason is infuriating
    Entry-level work used to be done by our children – now it seems to be given to immigrants"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/19/my-20-year-old-daughter-cant-find-a-job-reason-infuriating/

    By coincidence, my calendar's inspirational thought for the day is from PB's Leon. But he might be wrong about his daughter. A lot of entry level work in retail disappeared when high streets were boarded up, in catering when pubs and restaurants closed, and a lot of white collar entry level work has been given to AI (or at least, that's the excuse the PHBs give for not hiring). Tories will add that Labour's job taxes don't help by destroying negative differentials but if the jobs aren't there in the first place...
    My nephew has just got a job at Cliveden, his brother is returning to his summer job at Windsor Castle.

    Twin B has got work at the Auckland project so there is plenty of work to go round but it's all tourism of some form or other.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,082
    "The liberal media"

    Did the New York times just BOTH SIDES Ken Paxton's sweetheart deal for a child sex predator. Yes, yes it did.
    https://x.com/scarylawyerguy/status/2067919904045432908
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,636
    Alanbrooke said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    My 20-year-old daughter can’t find a job, and the reason is infuriating
    Entry-level work used to be done by our children – now it seems to be given to immigrants"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/19/my-20-year-old-daughter-cant-find-a-job-reason-infuriating/

    I thought he reckoned all the entry level jobs were being replaced by AI.

    He changes his mind as often as Starmer.
    Is he currently banned or flouncing ?

    Havent seen him for a while
    Leon was banned. Don't know if any new stablemates have emerged.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,369
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    My 20-year-old daughter can’t find a job, and the reason is infuriating
    Entry-level work used to be done by our children – now it seems to be given to immigrants"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/19/my-20-year-old-daughter-cant-find-a-job-reason-infuriating/

    By coincidence, my calendar's inspirational thought for the day is from PB's Leon. But he might be wrong about his daughter. A lot of entry level work in retail disappeared when high streets were boarded up, in catering when pubs and restaurants closed, and a lot of white collar entry level work has been given to AI (or at least, that's the excuse the PHBs give for not hiring). Tories will add that Labour's job taxes don't help by destroying negative differentials but if the jobs aren't there in the first place...
    Assistant Manager at Dominos gets you a skilled worker visa. Other factors may be greater, but this one is real too.

    TfL are getting station attendants on work visas because they claim they can't recruit here. I mean, come on.
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 5,342
    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    FeersumEnjineeya said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    My 20-year-old daughter can’t find a job, and the reason is infuriating
    Entry-level work used to be done by our children – now it seems to be given to immigrants"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/19/my-20-year-old-daughter-cant-find-a-job-reason-infuriating/

    It's one of those irregular thingies:

    My unemployed daughter is priced out of the market by immigrants.
    Your unemployed daughter needs to get on her bike.
    His unemployed daughter is a bone-idle scrounger.
    It can be hard for university students to get work because they're neither at home nor at their place of study all year long. I grew up in the town where I believe Sean T's daughter is at university and even in the 1990s when I worked in a restaurant in the town they employed a lot more local teenagers than university students, presumably because us kids were there all year round. The few female university students they did employ I remember very fondly... I don't think they employed any "immigrants", it was a very monocultural place in those days.
    My 20yo daughter isn't allowed to work during term time, and luckily found an internship in London this summer. Finding temp work in the holidays is very tough, but as I say most employers don't want staff who can only work a fraction of the year.
    Yes, my lad wasn't allowed to work during term time either and also found an internship in London in the summer after his second year. That internship was his passport to a job after graduation; hopefully your daughter's internship will be equally beneficial to her. A big well done to her for landing it! I know how competitive they can be.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,589
    dixiedean said:

    Nick Tyrone manfully takes on the Spectator task of explaining why the real winners of last night's three by elections was Reform.

    https://spectator.com/article/reforms-defeat-in-makerfield-is-a-blessing-in-disguise/

    Winning in the Trump sense
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,636
    kle4 said:

    I'm about to arrive at a previously Labour for life turned hater of Keir household, it will be interesting to see how they feel about Andy.

    Not Corbynny enough is my guess.

    The question is why your pals went off Keir Starmer. He does seem to have anti-charisma. He evokes an almost visceral hatred in many. I don't know why he does but it is futile to deny it. But the corollary is that changing the man at the top – and nothing else – might be enough.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,589
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    My 20-year-old daughter can’t find a job, and the reason is infuriating
    Entry-level work used to be done by our children – now it seems to be given to immigrants"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/19/my-20-year-old-daughter-cant-find-a-job-reason-infuriating/

    I thought he reckoned all the entry level jobs were being replaced by AI.

    He changes his mind as often as Starmer.
    Is he currently banned or flouncing ?

    Havent seen him for a while
    Leon was banned. Don't know if any new stablemates have emerged.
    Banned at the same time as Moonshine, who’d been here 13 years which seemed odd as he was only quoting the tedious Jess Phillips, and Isam who I like but was being a real dick to the man who’s ideal day is listening to Radiohead eating pineapple pizza

  • TazTaz Posts: 28,589
    carnforth said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    My 20-year-old daughter can’t find a job, and the reason is infuriating
    Entry-level work used to be done by our children – now it seems to be given to immigrants"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/19/my-20-year-old-daughter-cant-find-a-job-reason-infuriating/

    By coincidence, my calendar's inspirational thought for the day is from PB's Leon. But he might be wrong about his daughter. A lot of entry level work in retail disappeared when high streets were boarded up, in catering when pubs and restaurants closed, and a lot of white collar entry level work has been given to AI (or at least, that's the excuse the PHBs give for not hiring). Tories will add that Labour's job taxes don't help by destroying negative differentials but if the jobs aren't there in the first place...
    Assistant Manager at Dominos gets you a skilled worker visa. Other factors may be greater, but this one is real too.

    TfL are getting station attendants on work visas because they claim they can't recruit here. I mean, come on.
    Not disputing what you say but I thought this had all been tightened up on.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,965
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    MattW said:

    FPT:

    Eabhal said:

    The most frustrating thing about O&G is the amount of focus it gets despite it being, in the grand scheme of things, a rounding error to the economy and our energy security - particularly looking forward over the next 50 years.

    It’s the equivalent of the left wittering on about the monarchy. Sure, it’s absurd and you wouldn’t design it that way, but it’s a waste of time and energy when there are much more important topics to deal with.

    Scotland is generating 40TWh of electricity a year - double our consumption, and that’s before you take into account curtailment. The UK already has 100 GWh of battery capacity and on current trends/planning will have well over 500 GWh by 2030 (including V2G). We have barely any solar and yet we’re already peaking at 15GW.

    We’ll look back at threads like this and laugh.

    Indeed. It's a debate I've nearly stopped engaging in, as I think the direction is baked in - just like ULEZs and default 20mph limits in England.

    From what I see, Miliband has been doing some very important things such as sorting out the order in which projects get their "grid connection" slots to make it "who is ready first" rather than "in order of when they asked". The latter apparently lead to a lot of "shadow applications" to guarantee the slots, which mean there was a 6-7 year backlog comprising solar capacity equivalent to a couple of times our peak electricity demand.

    Perhaps Ed Milliband will be kept at Energy !

    That will be good for the PB blood pressure.
    Regardless of whether you like or dislike his policies, Ed Miliband does seem to be an excellent organiser and administrator, who has actually got things done in his Department.
    This is true. It's the best fit of person and job in the current cabinet (unless somebody knows better?)
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,589
    Theuniondivvie said:

    dixiedean said:

    Maybe calling your 20 year old a child isn't conducive to them having the wherewithal to find employment?

    As I recall SeanT was more likely to mistake teenage girls for young women, certainly east of the Irrawaddy.
    He’s not here but he still lives rent free in some people’s heads
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,867
    Taz said:

    carnforth said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    My 20-year-old daughter can’t find a job, and the reason is infuriating
    Entry-level work used to be done by our children – now it seems to be given to immigrants"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/19/my-20-year-old-daughter-cant-find-a-job-reason-infuriating/

    By coincidence, my calendar's inspirational thought for the day is from PB's Leon. But he might be wrong about his daughter. A lot of entry level work in retail disappeared when high streets were boarded up, in catering when pubs and restaurants closed, and a lot of white collar entry level work has been given to AI (or at least, that's the excuse the PHBs give for not hiring). Tories will add that Labour's job taxes don't help by destroying negative differentials but if the jobs aren't there in the first place...
    Assistant Manager at Dominos gets you a skilled worker visa. Other factors may be greater, but this one is real too.

    TfL are getting station attendants on work visas because they claim they can't recruit here. I mean, come on.
    Not disputing what you say but I thought this had all been tightened up on.
    As it is tightened at one end, it is loosened at the other.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,369
    Taz said:

    carnforth said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    My 20-year-old daughter can’t find a job, and the reason is infuriating
    Entry-level work used to be done by our children – now it seems to be given to immigrants"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/19/my-20-year-old-daughter-cant-find-a-job-reason-infuriating/

    By coincidence, my calendar's inspirational thought for the day is from PB's Leon. But he might be wrong about his daughter. A lot of entry level work in retail disappeared when high streets were boarded up, in catering when pubs and restaurants closed, and a lot of white collar entry level work has been given to AI (or at least, that's the excuse the PHBs give for not hiring). Tories will add that Labour's job taxes don't help by destroying negative differentials but if the jobs aren't there in the first place...
    Assistant Manager at Dominos gets you a skilled worker visa. Other factors may be greater, but this one is real too.

    TfL are getting station attendants on work visas because they claim they can't recruit here. I mean, come on.
    Not disputing what you say but I thought this had all been tightened up on.
    Labour got rid of the "80% of average UK salary" rule, which is a significant tightening.

    But there are still too many jobs on the shortage list. I mean, graphic designer.. how can that not be remote?
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,589
    eek said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    My 20-year-old daughter can’t find a job, and the reason is infuriating
    Entry-level work used to be done by our children – now it seems to be given to immigrants"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/19/my-20-year-old-daughter-cant-find-a-job-reason-infuriating/

    By coincidence, my calendar's inspirational thought for the day is from PB's Leon. But he might be wrong about his daughter. A lot of entry level work in retail disappeared when high streets were boarded up, in catering when pubs and restaurants closed, and a lot of white collar entry level work has been given to AI (or at least, that's the excuse the PHBs give for not hiring). Tories will add that Labour's job taxes don't help by destroying negative differentials but if the jobs aren't there in the first place...
    My nephew has just got a job at Cliveden, his brother is returning to his summer job at Windsor Castle.

    Twin B has got work at the Auckland project so there is plenty of work to go round but it's all tourism of some form or other.
    So seasonal

    There’ll be plenty of jobs in supermarkets in winter too.

    My LinkedIn is full,of people, good people, open to work looking and struggling. A min wage summer job for a kid is great but skilled, high wage, jobs in manufacturing seem to be declining.

    Glad I’m out of it.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,124
    FT: Alexander calls Starmer to step aside.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,712
    kle4 said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    dixiedean said:

    Nick Tyrone manfully takes on the Spectator task of explaining why the real winners of last night's three by elections was Reform.

    https://spectator.com/article/reforms-defeat-in-makerfield-is-a-blessing-in-disguise/

    I saw some SNP people trying to argue that the Aberdeen South result was a success for the SNP.
    That’s nothing, I’ve seen PBers arguing that Aberdeen South means that the Kemiservatives ARE BACK!
    It means they're not dead at least, in specific circumstances.
    They are exposed on the left flank. like the Russians at Borodino.

  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,488
    carnforth said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    My 20-year-old daughter can’t find a job, and the reason is infuriating
    Entry-level work used to be done by our children – now it seems to be given to immigrants"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/19/my-20-year-old-daughter-cant-find-a-job-reason-infuriating/

    By coincidence, my calendar's inspirational thought for the day is from PB's Leon. But he might be wrong about his daughter. A lot of entry level work in retail disappeared when high streets were boarded up, in catering when pubs and restaurants closed, and a lot of white collar entry level work has been given to AI (or at least, that's the excuse the PHBs give for not hiring). Tories will add that Labour's job taxes don't help by destroying negative differentials but if the jobs aren't there in the first place...
    Assistant Manager at Dominos gets you a skilled worker visa. Other factors may be greater, but this one is real too.

    TfL are getting station attendants on work visas because they claim they can't recruit here. I mean, come on.
    I assume that this costs the employers time and money to do the paperwork and pay the fees to bring in someone on a visa, so why would they do that if there were available residents looking for work?

    There seems to be a missing piece of information in the story.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,369
    LostPassword said:

    carnforth said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    My 20-year-old daughter can’t find a job, and the reason is infuriating
    Entry-level work used to be done by our children – now it seems to be given to immigrants"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/19/my-20-year-old-daughter-cant-find-a-job-reason-infuriating/

    By coincidence, my calendar's inspirational thought for the day is from PB's Leon. But he might be wrong about his daughter. A lot of entry level work in retail disappeared when high streets were boarded up, in catering when pubs and restaurants closed, and a lot of white collar entry level work has been given to AI (or at least, that's the excuse the PHBs give for not hiring). Tories will add that Labour's job taxes don't help by destroying negative differentials but if the jobs aren't there in the first place...
    Assistant Manager at Dominos gets you a skilled worker visa. Other factors may be greater, but this one is real too.

    TfL are getting station attendants on work visas because they claim they can't recruit here. I mean, come on.
    I assume that this costs the employers time and money to do the paperwork and pay the fees to bring in someone on a visa, so why would they do that if there were available residents looking for work?

    There seems to be a missing piece of information in the story.
    Lower wages, or harder workers, or more docile, exploitable workers, or all three.
  • AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 4,154
    Afternoon, has he gone yet?
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,400
    Malmesbury said:

    I’ve got an application in to recruit the Prime Ministr directly from abroad

    - the last few hires have been time wasters
    - no top notch applicants
    - Role pay well above any reasonable salary limit.

    There's an American becoming available in 2028 or so most think.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,369
    Malmesbury said:

    I’ve got an application in to recruit the Prime Ministr directly from abroad

    - the last few hires have been time wasters
    - no top notch applicants
    - Role pay well above any reasonable salary limit.

    Careful, you'll summon Mark Carney.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,589
    edited 4:04PM
    Mexicanpete said:

    FT: Alexander calls Starmer to step aside.

    He’s probably better off standing down rather than being humiliated in a contest.

    I’d rather the latter. I voted Labour and trusted him. He’s been fucking shit. Continuity Sunak.

    I am a little annoyed as I feel more than a little mugged off although I do like Luke Akehurst.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,082
    AramintaMoonbeamQC said:

    Afternoon, has he gone yet?

    No.

    Both Nicholls and Ravindra are well set, and grinding England into the dust.
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