politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Tonight’s cartoon from Marf (on Sir Malcolm of course) and
Comments
-
Mirror Politics @MirrorPolitics 6m6 minutes ago
British forces head to Ukraine as David Cameron turns up the heat on Putin0 -
MarkMarkSenior said:
UKIP heading for 8/9 % at the next GE an inexorable decline loomsPeter_the_Punter said:
Well for one thing the drop isn't that dramatic, and I think 'a couple of months' is stretching it.Hengists_Gift said:
But why the sudden drop now when they've been out of the limelight (intentionally) for at least a couple of months?Peter_the_Punter said:
No.Hengists_Gift said:Incidentally anyone else think that Channel 4's piece of malevolence is the driver of the UKIP slide?
They've just been out of the limelight for a bit. That will change and I would expect them to pick up again when it does.
But sell them if you think the decline will continue. I'm not doing so, not yet, and if I'm wrong I'll pay for it, not for the first time.
In fairness, you ought to advise new visitors to the Site that you can only improve on your record as a General Election tipster.0 -
God give me a bucket. Can't the Tories think up anything more original.......Stark_Dawning said:
I suspect not. UKIP were always going to be a midterm phenomenon - a bit of a jolly and a heady indulgence when it didn't matter. But as the witching hour draws closer people will start to appreciate that UKIP are a luxury we can't afford. They'll be put into a skip with the Christmas empties.Hengists_Gift said:Incidentally anyone else think that Channel 4's piece of malevolence is the driver of the UKIP slide?
0 -
@Scrapheap_as_was
'The "missing ISIS girls" have now crossed into Syria (says BBC news). So that's it. They've joined ISIS. Which is crime. They are criminals.'
Good riddance.0 -
Boy have you got a nasty surprise in wait, if (God forbid) Ed does become PM in a few weeks time, most especially if he's dependent on the whim of Ms Sturgeon to get anything through parliament. The grown-ups in Labour are in no doubt of the catastrophe ahead, of course, but I can't quite decide whether the rest really don't see the obvious, or are just whistling in the wind to keep their spirits up.bigjohnowls said:
Babies who threaten to leave should just get on with it.saddo said:
Happy to take the many multiples of tax I pay vs the average tax payer with me. Hows that help pay for Labour's stupid spending plans?bigjohnowls said:
Byesaddo said:If Survation is correct, its time to leave the country. Who are the idiots who say to pollsters they want the 2 Eds to turn the UK into Greece?
I seem to remember Andrew Lloyd Webber threatening to leave in 1997. Dont think he ever did.
What stupid spending plans Let me guess the NHS or welfare state?
The IFS by the way thinks the Tory tax cut promises makes them the biggest black hole party0 -
Ajusted for inflation, the stock market is half the value of 1999, and as a percentage of gdp, it's 60% down.Smarmeron said:@coolagorna
No, I saw it in the news, our stock market is at levels not seen since the dot com bust......but this time it hasn't been artificially pumped up!
It is as sound as our house prices.
it is.....isn't it?0 -
Peter_the_Punter said:
Well for one thing the drop isn't that dramatic, and I think 'a couple of months' is stretching it.Hengists_Gift said:
But why the sudden drop now when they've been out of the limelight (intentionally) for at least a couple of months?Peter_the_Punter said:
No.Hengists_Gift said:Incidentally anyone else think that Channel 4's piece of malevolence is the driver of the UKIP slide?
They've just been out of the limelight for a bit. That will change and I would expect them to pick up again when it does.
But sell them if you think the decline will continue. I'm not doing so, not yet, and if I'm wrong I'll pay for it, not for the first time.
Your missing the point. I'm trying to discern whether or not this is an event based drop in their share.. If it is chances are it will be countered with a bit of positive publicity as you suggest. if its not and is a general realignment then it might not.0 -
0
-
@bigjohnowls
Yay for humanity, and common sense. We will teach those Red scum what real British training and tactics can do.
While the bastards are pissing their pants laughing, we will attack!0 -
TrollTheWatcher said:
... to your pension.bigjohnowls said:
Byesaddo said:If Survation is correct, its time to leave the country. Who are the idiots who say to pollsters they want the 2 Eds to turn the UK into Greece?
0 -
But Rifkind held a marginal seat for 23 years - Edinburgh Pentlands!NickPalmer said:Clever cartoon, Marf.
I think this sort of thing sometimes happens to distinguished figures in safe seats - they've rarely faced any very awkward situations and aggressive questions, and they struggle to handle them sensibly. Someone like George Galloway, of whom I'm not a fan at all but who is used to rough weather, would have emerged in better shape, but Rifkind was simply overwhelmed.RobD said:He was definitely massaging his own ego, but the way he said he was self-employed was frankly ridiculous. I do feel some pity for him though, what a poor way to end a reasonably distinguished career.
I wonder if he will be ennobled if he is cleared by the standards commissioner, you could imagine Cameron offering him this, if he resigned immediately.
.0 -
Yes, the meme that the 'rich' (by which I think the Left mean ordinary pension funds) have grabbed all the goodies in the last 15 years is rather threadbare.rcs1000 said:
Ajusted for inflation, the stock market is half the value of 1999, and as a percentage of gdp, it's 60% down.Smarmeron said:@coolagorna
No, I saw it in the news, our stock market is at levels not seen since the dot com bust......but this time it hasn't been artificially pumped up!
It is as sound as our house prices.
it is.....isn't it?0 -
With the way the polls are going,it could be Miliband turning the heat up on Putin in 3/4 months time (snigger)bigjohnowls said:Mirror Politics @MirrorPolitics 6m6 minutes ago
British forces head to Ukraine as David Cameron turns up the heat on Putin
0 -
My forecast in early 2010 for the 2010 GE on this site is a matter of record and was spot on in terms of No of Lib Dem seats ( exactly right and No Overall Majority whilst fools like you were betting on a .Conservative overall msjorityPeter_the_Punter said:
MarkMarkSenior said:
UKIP heading for 8/9 % at the next GE an inexorable decline loomsPeter_the_Punter said:
Well for one thing the drop isn't that dramatic, and I think 'a couple of months' is stretching it.Hengists_Gift said:
But why the sudden drop now when they've been out of the limelight (intentionally) for at least a couple of months?Peter_the_Punter said:
No.Hengists_Gift said:Incidentally anyone else think that Channel 4's piece of malevolence is the driver of the UKIP slide?
They've just been out of the limelight for a bit. That will change and I would expect them to pick up again when it does.
But sell them if you think the decline will continue. I'm not doing so, not yet, and if I'm wrong I'll pay for it, not for the first time.
In fairness, you ought to advise new visitors to the Site that you can only improve on your record as a General Election tipster.0 -
That last line worked in 1992...Sadly for the Blues less and lessjohn_zims said:@coolagorna
'the "Booming Britain"
At least we won't have to worry about that with the two Ed's, just remember to switch the lights off.
people get a newspaper now....they are just not buying it..either
the papers themselves or the ludicrous lies that they print
Ed, Nicola, Caroline and Leanne will begin to slowly turn the
failed neo liberal 36 year disaster around in probably the
finest Goverment since 1945..Feel the Rainbow.Taste the Rainbow
0 -
-
And you accuse others of being a baby?bigjohnowls said:
TrollTheWatcher said:
... to your pension.bigjohnowls said:
Byesaddo said:If Survation is correct, its time to leave the country. Who are the idiots who say to pollsters they want the 2 Eds to turn the UK into Greece?
0 -
Well if knew the answer to that one, Hengist, I'd be cleaning up on every available betting market rather than chatting here with you!Hengists_Gift said:Peter_the_Punter said:
Well for one thing the drop isn't that dramatic, and I think 'a couple of months' is stretching it.Hengists_Gift said:
But why the sudden drop now when they've been out of the limelight (intentionally) for at least a couple of months?Peter_the_Punter said:
No.Hengists_Gift said:Incidentally anyone else think that Channel 4's piece of malevolence is the driver of the UKIP slide?
They've just been out of the limelight for a bit. That will change and I would expect them to pick up again when it does.
But sell them if you think the decline will continue. I'm not doing so, not yet, and if I'm wrong I'll pay for it, not for the first time.
Your missing the point. I'm trying to discern whether or not this is an event based drop in their share.. If it is chances are it will be countered with a bit of positive publicity as you suggest. if its not and is a general realignment then it might not.
My assessment, based on years of political punting and trawling Sites like this, is that we will see an uptick in UKIP's poll ratings when they receive a bit more publicity, as they are likely to do nearer the GE date.
Naturally I can't advise both my loyal followers to lump on in view of this rather subjective assessment, but I nevertheless think it's a reasonable one.0 -
Miliband certainly had more courage than Cameron when it came to taking on Murdoch and Dacre and the vile practices of their media outlets. There's also an air of principle about him unlike mercantilist Dave.Tykejohnno said:
With the way the polls are going,it could be Miliband turning the heat up on Putin in 3/4 months time (snigger)bigjohnowls said:Mirror Politics @MirrorPolitics 6m6 minutes ago
British forces head to Ukraine as David Cameron turns up the heat on Putin0 -
Er, yes, you're right. Scratch that theory, then.justin124 said:
But Rifkind held a marginal seat for 23 years - Edinburgh Pentlands!
0 -
FTSE Directors pay miltiples have hardly increased compared to their employees!!Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, the meme that the 'rich' (by which I think the Left mean ordinary pension funds) have grabbed all the goodies in the last 15 years is rather threadbare.rcs1000 said:
Ajusted for inflation, the stock market is half the value of 1999, and as a percentage of gdp, it's 60% down.Smarmeron said:@coolagorna
No, I saw it in the news, our stock market is at levels not seen since the dot com bust......but this time it hasn't been artificially pumped up!
It is as sound as our house prices.
it is.....isn't it?
0 -
@Tykejohnno
'With the way the polls are going,it could be Miliband turning the heat up on Putin in 3/4 months time (snigger)'
He won't have time for that stuff, far too busy being Sturgeon's lackey.0 -
@Peter_the_Punter
This is a Grand National election.
Best strategy is a sharp pin and a (silk?) blindfold.0 -
Lol!MarkSenior said:
My forecast in early 2010 for the 2010 GE on this site is a matter of record and was spot on in terms of No of Lib Dem seats ( exactly right and No Overall Majority whilst dools like you were betting on a .Conservative overall msjorityPeter_the_Punter said:
MarkMarkSenior said:
UKIP heading for 8/9 % at the next GE an inexorable decline loomsPeter_the_Punter said:
Well for one thing the drop isn't that dramatic, and I think 'a couple of months' is stretching it.Hengists_Gift said:
But why the sudden drop now when they've been out of the limelight (intentionally) for at least a couple of months?Peter_the_Punter said:
No.Hengists_Gift said:Incidentally anyone else think that Channel 4's piece of malevolence is the driver of the UKIP slide?
They've just been out of the limelight for a bit. That will change and I would expect them to pick up again when it does.
But sell them if you think the decline will continue. I'm not doing so, not yet, and if I'm wrong I'll pay for it, not for the first time.
In fairness, you ought to advise new visitors to the Site that you can only improve on your record as a General Election tipster.
Only teasing, Mark. We all know how accurate your forecasts are, especially when it come to projecting LibDem seat totals. ;-)0 -
He has such high principles he has also taken on the Mirror Group. Oh wait a minute......FrankBooth said:
Miliband certainly had more courage than Cameron when it came to taking on Murdoch and Dacre and the vile practices of their media outlets. There's also an air of principle about him unlike mercantilist Dave.Tykejohnno said:
With the way the polls are going,it could be Miliband turning the heat up on Putin in 3/4 months time (snigger)bigjohnowls said:Mirror Politics @MirrorPolitics 6m6 minutes ago
British forces head to Ukraine as David Cameron turns up the heat on Putin0 -
The event is the general election. UKIP are on 11% with phone pollsters, with the Tories on 34%. UKIP average 16-17% with internet panels, with the Tories averaging c. 31%. But TNS and Survation drag the Tory poll average down, and push the UKIP poll average up.Hengists_Gift said:
19% is the lowest with Survation since last September and four out of the five polls prior to this one with Survation were 23% or higher. That would suggest in Survations eyes at least they were on 23%.Sean_F said:
UKIP were never really on 23%. This is simply a reversion to a more normal score. Polling from Sunday onwards still puts UKIP on an average 14%.Hengists_Gift said:
But why the sudden drop now when they've been out of the limelight (intentionally) for at least a couple of months?Peter_the_Punter said:
No.Hengists_Gift said:Incidentally anyone else think that Channel 4's piece of malevolence is the driver of the UKIP slide?
They've just been out of the limelight for a bit. That will change and I would expect them to pick up again when it does.
However, whether UKIP were actually on 23% is irrelevant. Its that we have seen similar drops in three polls in two days . That suggests there is some sort of event impact affecting their vote share.
0 -
6 - 8% is my guess!MarkSenior said:
UKIP heading for 8/9 % at the next GE an inexorable decline loomsPeter_the_Punter said:
Well for one thing the drop isn't that dramatic, and I think 'a couple of months' is stretching it.Hengists_Gift said:
But why the sudden drop now when they've been out of the limelight (intentionally) for at least a couple of months?Peter_the_Punter said:
No.Hengists_Gift said:Incidentally anyone else think that Channel 4's piece of malevolence is the driver of the UKIP slide?
They've just been out of the limelight for a bit. That will change and I would expect them to pick up again when it does.
But sell them if you think the decline will continue. I'm not doing so, not yet, and if I'm wrong I'll pay for it, not for the first time.0 -
Lemmings who think that the current trend leads to the end result are bookmakers favourite punters
0 -
I think you mean that, out of spite, Labour turned on Murdoch once he stopped supporting them:FrankBooth said:
Miliband certainly had more courage than Cameron when it came to taking on Murdoch and Dacre and the vile practices of their media outlets. There's also an air of principle about him unlike mercantilist Dave.Tykejohnno said:
With the way the polls are going,it could be Miliband turning the heat up on Putin in 3/4 months time (snigger)bigjohnowls said:Mirror Politics @MirrorPolitics 6m6 minutes ago
British forces head to Ukraine as David Cameron turns up the heat on Putin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZatq52abJw
Before that, every single Labour minister, including Ed Miliband, seemed happy enough at the cosy relationship.
As for 'principle', a week after Ed used parliamentary privilege to smear a named individual is probably not the best time to push that line.
Hypocrisy, thy name is Labour.
0 -
Only pathetic people who threaten to leave the country if the voters dont do as there toldnigel4england said:
And you accuse others of being a baby?bigjohnowls said:
TrollTheWatcher said:
... to your pension.bigjohnowls said:
Byesaddo said:If Survation is correct, its time to leave the country. Who are the idiots who say to pollsters they want the 2 Eds to turn the UK into Greece?
0 -
I have to say I feel really sorry for Malcolm Rifkind. A lifetime in public life and a genuinely decent man by all accounts. That he should end his public life humiliated when a sleazeball like Nadhim Zahawi rifled the public purse to keep his horses heated yet is shimmying his way up the cabinet is a sad sign of the times0
-
Bollocks,just wait until they get into power,you will finish up disappointed.FrankBooth said:
Miliband certainly had more courage than Cameron when it came to taking on Murdoch and Dacre and the vile practices of their media outlets. There's also an air of principle about him unlike mercantilist Dave.Tykejohnno said:
With the way the polls are going,it could be Miliband turning the heat up on Putin in 3/4 months time (snigger)bigjohnowls said:Mirror Politics @MirrorPolitics 6m6 minutes ago
British forces head to Ukraine as David Cameron turns up the heat on Putin
0 -
And then choose whose balloon you're going to burst.Smarmeron said:@Peter_the_Punter
This is a Grand National election.
Best strategy is a sharp pin and a (silk?) blindfold.
Meanwhile, Labour Most Seats is still 2.56 on Betfair. Hope springs eternal for the blue team I guess.0 -
Add in reinvested dividends and then you are doing all right even if you bought at the very peak of the dot com bubble.Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, the meme that the 'rich' (by which I think the Left mean ordinary pension funds) have grabbed all the goodies in the last 15 years is rather threadbare.rcs1000 said:
Ajusted for inflation, the stock market is half the value of 1999, and as a percentage of gdp, it's 60% down.Smarmeron said:@coolagorna
No, I saw it in the news, our stock market is at levels not seen since the dot com bust......but this time it hasn't been artificially pumped up!
It is as sound as our house prices.
it is.....isn't it?0 -
@antifrank
Might be easier if some of the runners come a cropper on the first lap?0 -
Those figures look plausible.SeanT said:
Mark might be right this time. 8/9% is quite possible for UKIP.Peter_the_Punter said:
MarkMarkSenior said:
UKIP heading for 8/9 % at the next GE an inexorable decline loomsPeter_the_Punter said:
Well for one thing the drop isn't that dramatic, and I think 'a couple of months' is stretching it.Hengists_Gift said:
But why the sudden drop now when they've been out of the limelight (intentionally) for at least a couple of months?Peter_the_Punter said:
No.Hengists_Gift said:Incidentally anyone else think that Channel 4's piece of malevolence is the driver of the UKIP slide?
They've just been out of the limelight for a bit. That will change and I would expect them to pick up again when it does.
But sell them if you think the decline will continue. I'm not doing so, not yet, and if I'm wrong I'll pay for it, not for the first time.
In fairness, you ought to advise new visitors to the Site that you can only improve on your record as a General Election tipster.
It's also worth noting that this would STILL be a remarkable achievement. Just two years ago pb-ers were scoffing at the idea of UKIP getting anything more than 2-3% at the GE. 9% would see the Farageists level pegging with the Lib Dems as third party, as present polls go.
This is a revolution, it's just not quite the wild revolution we envisaged a few weeks ago.
My present guess is UKIP will get around 10-12%. 14% tops.
Worth noting that TNS and Survation aside, the two main parties are now level-pegging.
0 -
On these numbers he'll just have to give some cash to NI. I think.Richard_Nabavi said:
Boy have you got a nasty surprise in wait, if (God forbid) Ed does become PM in a few weeks time, most especially if he's dependent on the whim of Ms Sturgeon to get anything through parliament. The grown-ups in Labour are in no doubt of the catastrophe ahead, of course, but I can't quite decide whether the rest really don't see the obvious, or are just whistling in the wind to keep their spirits up.bigjohnowls said:
Babies who threaten to leave should just get on with it.saddo said:
Happy to take the many multiples of tax I pay vs the average tax payer with me. Hows that help pay for Labour's stupid spending plans?bigjohnowls said:
Byesaddo said:If Survation is correct, its time to leave the country. Who are the idiots who say to pollsters they want the 2 Eds to turn the UK into Greece?
I seem to remember Andrew Lloyd Webber threatening to leave in 1997. Dont think he ever did.
What stupid spending plans Let me guess the NHS or welfare state?
The IFS by the way thinks the Tory tax cut promises makes them the biggest black hole party0 -
That's the nub of the matter, Kle.kle4 said:Outlier I am sure...but no consistent trend of polling in the opposite direction which would prevent a Labour win, so it hardly matters if it is way out - only ones which are similarly out of the general range show anything that might help the Tories win, even if they might have had hopes in the past few months of limiting the scale of the loss.
Although few would believe that Labour are really 6 points ahead, the polls this year fail to indicate any kind of trend towards the Tories that might be consistent with them winning most seats, never mind an overall majority.
On the bare evidence of all those polls you'd have to be crazy to back them at odds on to win more seats than Labour, and personally I'd want 12/1 minimum before I I even thought about backing them for an OM. In fact you could probably make an equally good case for a Labour OM - not that I think that is very likely either.0 -
He's no political giant, I was just comparing him to useless Dave.nigel4england said:
He has such high principles he has also taken on the Mirror Group. Oh wait a minute......FrankBooth said:
Miliband certainly had more courage than Cameron when it came to taking on Murdoch and Dacre and the vile practices of their media outlets. There's also an air of principle about him unlike mercantilist Dave.Tykejohnno said:
With the way the polls are going,it could be Miliband turning the heat up on Putin in 3/4 months time (snigger)bigjohnowls said:Mirror Politics @MirrorPolitics 6m6 minutes ago
British forces head to Ukraine as David Cameron turns up the heat on Putin
0 -
Haven't heard from Rod Crosby with his swingback model lately. I hope they're both OK. Is the probability of a Labour majority still 0%, or has it crept up to 1%?0
-
I must admit to being a bit twitchy about UKIP>LD bets, and closing my position out for a skewed arb (I win either way, but more if UKIP get more votes) a few weeks ago. UKIP appear to have settled around 14% or so, and are possibly slightly falling. The LDs appear to be slightly recovering to nearer double-figures than previously.
But that's the polling averages. If some of the more UKIP-bearish pollsters are right, and they are some of the more established companies, then the UKIP/LD gap is barely 1 or 2%. I'd say the 5/2 available on the LDs probably has a touch of value.0 -
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19298681bigjohnowls said:
TrollTheWatcher said:
... to your pension.bigjohnowls said:
Byesaddo said:If Survation is correct, its time to leave the country. Who are the idiots who say to pollsters they want the 2 Eds to turn the UK into Greece?
0 -
Not particularly - less than 3% per annum before inflation.Alistair said:
Add in reinvested dividends and then you are doing all right even if you bought at the very peak of the dot com bubble.Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, the meme that the 'rich' (by which I think the Left mean ordinary pension funds) have grabbed all the goodies in the last 15 years is rather threadbare.rcs1000 said:
Ajusted for inflation, the stock market is half the value of 1999, and as a percentage of gdp, it's 60% down.Smarmeron said:@coolagorna
No, I saw it in the news, our stock market is at levels not seen since the dot com bust......but this time it hasn't been artificially pumped up!
It is as sound as our house prices.
it is.....isn't it?0 -
@NickPalmer
Don't knock "swingback" it exists, just not in the form many think it does.0 -
Yesterday was quite a good polling day for the Tories
Today not so good so far but YG still to come0 -
NickPalmer said:
Haven't heard from Rod Crosby with his swingback model lately. I hope they're both OK. Is the probability of a Labour majority still 0%, or has it crept up to 1%?
Polls? Where we're going, we don't need polls.
0 -
That is only if you take take the pyrite standard Survation seriously.bigjohnowls said:Yesterday was quite a good polling day for the Tories
Today not so good so far but YG still to come
0 -
Oh God.bigjohnowls said:Mirror Politics @MirrorPolitics 6m6 minutes ago
British forces head to Ukraine as David Cameron turns up the heat on Putin
0 -
And you don't think a miliband Government will be doing the same(The labour party are more anti putin)Pulpstar said:
Oh God.bigjohnowls said:Mirror Politics @MirrorPolitics 6m6 minutes ago
British forces head to Ukraine as David Cameron turns up the heat on Putin
0 -
OK whatever, disregard the point that I was trying to make and carrying with your own point which was never at issue.......Sean_F said:
The event is the general election. UKIP are on 11% with phone pollsters, with the Tories on 34%. UKIP average 16-17% with internet panels, with the Tories averaging c. 31%. But TNS and Survation drag the Tory poll average down, and push the UKIP poll average up.Hengists_Gift said:
19% is the lowest with Survation since last September and four out of the five polls prior to this one with Survation were 23% or higher. That would suggest in Survations eyes at least they were on 23%.Sean_F said:
UKIP were never really on 23%. This is simply a reversion to a more normal score. Polling from Sunday onwards still puts UKIP on an average 14%.Hengists_Gift said:
But why the sudden drop now when they've been out of the limelight (intentionally) for at least a couple of months?Peter_the_Punter said:
No.Hengists_Gift said:Incidentally anyone else think that Channel 4's piece of malevolence is the driver of the UKIP slide?
They've just been out of the limelight for a bit. That will change and I would expect them to pick up again when it does.
However, whether UKIP were actually on 23% is irrelevant. Its that we have seen similar drops in three polls in two days . That suggests there is some sort of event impact affecting their vote share.
0 -
At this stage in 2010 the polls were giving the Tories a 6% lead compared with 7.3% on May 6th. The remaining weeks,therefore, saw a small swing to the Opposition0
-
If Mark Senior is correct, and UKIP poll 8-9%, then you'd expect the Tories to poll 37-38%, and to win the election.0
-
Richard Nabavi - I'm sorry but that won't do. Both Miliband and Cameron had a chance to take a stand when it came to phone hacking. Cameron was found wanting. I can''t believe you want to even try to defend him on this one. Bringing back Labour's cosy relationship with Murdoch pre-2009 is a red herring.0
-
That won't work, except in the very short term. Once a government starts trying to buy off one group, that just encourages another group (Ms Sturgeon, for example) to demand a matching price plus a bit more.Pulpstar said:On these numbers he'll just have to give some cash to NI. I think.
Anyone who hasn't yet taken whatever steps they can to protect their personal position still has a few weeks to do so. Of course as usual it's the least able to protect themselves who will be most badly hit.0 -
0
-
Do we know who this is?
@tnewtondunn
A new, and rather interesting, celeb name is being pushed to go for Kensington by No10. They just may do it too. In tmrw's @TheSunNewspaper.0 -
And what as miliband said on phone hacking with the mirror group ?FrankBooth said:Richard Nabavi - I'm sorry but that won't do. Both Miliband and Cameron had a chance to take a stand when it came to phone hacking. Cameron was found wanting. I can''t believe you want to even try to defend him on this one. Bringing back Labour's cosy relationship with Murdoch pre-2009 is a red herring.
0 -
I have no idea ! This is a here and now issue, just worries me a bit. I don't concern myself with Labour's theoretical foreign policy as I'd never vote for them. I'd say the same if it was PM Miliband. Russia is not Argentina or Iraq.Tykejohnno said:
And you don't think a miliband Government will be doing the same(The labour party are more anti putin)Pulpstar said:
Oh God.bigjohnowls said:Mirror Politics @MirrorPolitics 6m6 minutes ago
British forces head to Ukraine as David Cameron turns up the heat on Putin
0 -
Another outlier !!! This is getting tiresome.0
-
Why's that pathetic? If people really do not like the Govt and can go elsewhere what's the problem?bigjohnowls said:
Only pathetic people who threaten to leave the country if the voters dont do as there toldnigel4england said:
And you accuse others of being a baby?bigjohnowls said:
TrollTheWatcher said:
... to your pension.bigjohnowls said:
Byesaddo said:If Survation is correct, its time to leave the country. Who are the idiots who say to pollsters they want the 2 Eds to turn the UK into Greece?
0 -
What has Miliband said or done about industrial scale at the Mirror? Absolutely nothing.FrankBooth said:Richard Nabavi - I'm sorry but that won't do. Both Miliband and Cameron had a chance to take a stand when it came to phone hacking. Cameron was found wanting. I can''t believe you want to even try to defend him on this one. Bringing back Labour's cosy relationship with Murdoch pre-2009 is a red herring.
Typical double standards and hypocrisy, God I hate Socialists.0 -
I think it is the fact that people who threaten it rarely leave.welshowl said:
Why's that pathetic? If people really do not like the Govt and can go elsewhere what's the problem?bigjohnowls said:
Only pathetic people who threaten to leave the country if the voters dont do as there toldnigel4england said:
And you accuse others of being a baby?bigjohnowls said:
TrollTheWatcher said:
... to your pension.bigjohnowls said:
Byesaddo said:If Survation is correct, its time to leave the country. Who are the idiots who say to pollsters they want the 2 Eds to turn the UK into Greece?
0 -
As per the article earlier, it's only a trend if it shows a direction of travel that you favour; otherwise it is a blip.isam said:Lemmings who think that the current trend leads to the end result are bookmakers favourite punters
I would think the Lib Dems would be delighted with this poll. The Survation "house effect" is estimated to be slightly on the low side for the Lib Dems compared to other pollsters, so scoring in double figures with Survation is notable in a way that isn't the case with a pollster more favourable to the Lib Dems, such as ICM or Ipsos-MORI.0 -
Katie Price.GIN1138 said:Do we know who this is?
@tnewtondunn
A new, and rather interesting, celeb name is being pushed to go for Kensington by No10. They just may do it too. In tmrw's @TheSunNewspaper.
0 -
From this morning PfP:
" Remind me, which were the surprise LibDem gains at the 2010 GE? "
Arguably ALL the LibDem gains would have been surprises to various people and to varying degrees:
Redcar
Burnley
Bradford East
Norwich South
Brent Central
Eastbourne
Wells
While many of the gains which the LibDems were widely expected to make - Islington South, Oxford East, Hampstead, Watford, Edinburgh South for example - never happened.
I suspect we'll see a similar pattern of surprise gains and surprise misses for UKIP this year.
0 -
For the record, I think UKIP will poll 14% at the general, and the LibDems 11%.0
-
It's usually a transparently empty threat. It's hard to find the image of somebody stamping their foot, telling an obvious lie, and then often finishing up by talking about what an important taxpayer or "wealth creator" they are anything but pathetic.welshowl said:
Why's that pathetic? If people really do not like the Govt and can go elsewhere what's the problem?bigjohnowls said:
Only pathetic people who threaten to leave the country if the voters dont do as there toldnigel4england said:
And you accuse others of being a baby?bigjohnowls said:
TrollTheWatcher said:
... to your pension.bigjohnowls said:
Byesaddo said:If Survation is correct, its time to leave the country. Who are the idiots who say to pollsters they want the 2 Eds to turn the UK into Greece?
0 -
I'm decades off from retirement so purchasing 5 years of cheap FTSE could work out well in the long run. 60% of auto pension buy...Richard_Nabavi said:
That won't work, except in the very short term. Once a government starts trying to buy off one group, that just encourages another group (Ms Sturgeon, for example) to demand a matching price plus a bit more.Pulpstar said:On these numbers he'll just have to give some cash to NI. I think.
Anyone who hasn't yet taken whatever steps they can to protect their personal position still has a few weeks to do so. Of course as usual it's the least able to protect themselves who will be most badly hit.0 -
Wrong Katie, it will be Katie Allsop.Sean_F said:
Katie Price.GIN1138 said:Do we know who this is?
@tnewtondunn
A new, and rather interesting, celeb name is being pushed to go for Kensington by No10. They just may do it too. In tmrw's @TheSunNewspaper.0 -
3.6% And that still seems pretty good to me for investing at the absolute worst possible time.Richard_Nabavi said:
Not particularly - less than 3% per annum before inflation.Alistair said:
Add in reinvested dividends and then you are doing all right even if you bought at the very peak of the dot com bubble.Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, the meme that the 'rich' (by which I think the Left mean ordinary pension funds) have grabbed all the goodies in the last 15 years is rather threadbare.rcs1000 said:
Ajusted for inflation, the stock market is half the value of 1999, and as a percentage of gdp, it's 60% down.Smarmeron said:@coolagorna
No, I saw it in the news, our stock market is at levels not seen since the dot com bust......but this time it hasn't been artificially pumped up!
It is as sound as our house prices.
it is.....isn't it?0 -
You may have a point but actually I think I might prefer double standards to people who have no standards at all.nigel4england said:
What has Miliband said or done about industrial scale at the Mirror? Absolutely nothing.FrankBooth said:Richard Nabavi - I'm sorry but that won't do. Both Miliband and Cameron had a chance to take a stand when it came to phone hacking. Cameron was found wanting. I can''t believe you want to even try to defend him on this one. Bringing back Labour's cosy relationship with Murdoch pre-2009 is a red herring.
Typical double standards and hypocrisy, God I hate Socialists.0 -
Nick, it is unfair to mention 0%. Rod had said that his "L&N" model gave the Tories 99% certainty of absolute majority. Therefore, presumably Labour held the other 1%.NickPalmer said:Haven't heard from Rod Crosby with his swingback model lately. I hope they're both OK. Is the probability of a Labour majority still 0%, or has it crept up to 1%?
But then NOM must come before Labour. So you were right !
What does L&N stand for: Losers and No Hopers0 -
Socialists are eveywhere SNP, PC, Respect, Green and about 10% of Labour MPs.nigel4england said:
What has Miliband said or done about industrial scale at the Mirror? Absolutely nothing.FrankBooth said:Richard Nabavi - I'm sorry but that won't do. Both Miliband and Cameron had a chance to take a stand when it came to phone hacking. Cameron was found wanting. I can''t believe you want to even try to defend him on this one. Bringing back Labour's cosy relationship with Murdoch pre-2009 is a red herring.
Typical double standards and hypocrisy, God I hate Socialists.0 -
So, to get this straight, you think that phone hacking, which was carried out by the most important Labour-supporting newspaper group (and, we've recently discovered, by the other mass-market Labour-supporting newspaper group), under a Labour government, and was investigated three times under Labour-appointed Met police commissioners, and was considered by a Labour Attorney General, and was investigated without any result by a Labour-dominated select committee under the Labour government, somehow contrives to be Cameron's fault?FrankBooth said:Richard Nabavi - I'm sorry but that won't do. Both Miliband and Cameron had a chance to take a stand when it came to phone hacking. Cameron was found wanting. I can''t believe you want to even try to defend him on this one. Bringing back Labour's cosy relationship with Murdoch pre-2009 is a red herring.
As I said: hypocrisy, thy name is Labour.
0 -
I think Brian Coleman should go for Kensington.0
-
Didn't we have a "brain drain" in the 70's? The Ed's seem to want to turn the clock back to 1975 as well...Stereotomy said:
It's usually a transparently empty threat. It's hard to find the image of somebody stamping their foot, telling an obvious lie, and then often finishing up by talking about what an important taxpayer or "wealth creator" they are anything but pathetic.welshowl said:
Why's that pathetic? If people really do not like the Govt and can go elsewhere what's the problem?bigjohnowls said:
Only pathetic people who threaten to leave the country if the voters dont do as there toldnigel4england said:
And you accuse others of being a baby?bigjohnowls said:
TrollTheWatcher said:
... to your pension.bigjohnowls said:
Byesaddo said:If Survation is correct, its time to leave the country. Who are the idiots who say to pollsters they want the 2 Eds to turn the UK into Greece?
0 -
Hampstead had a truly outstanding conservative candidate in 2010, Chris philip, and a pretty poor libdem one (whose name I have forgotten). In 2015, it is the other way around. Comfortable labour hold, if wager.another_richard said:From this morning PfP:
" Remind me, which were the surprise LibDem gains at the 2010 GE? "
Arguably ALL the LibDem gains would have been surprises to various people and to varying degrees:
Redcar
Burnley
Bradford East
Norwich South
Brent Central
Eastbourne
Wells
While many of the gains which the LibDems were widely expected to make - Islington South, Oxford East, Hampstead, Watford, Edinburgh South for example - never happened.
I suspect we'll see a similar pattern of surprise gains and surprise misses for UKIP this year.0 -
What has Ed said or done about Rotherham?FrankBooth said:
You may have a point but actually I think I might prefer double standards to people who have no standards at all.nigel4england said:
What has Miliband said or done about industrial scale at the Mirror? Absolutely nothing.FrankBooth said:Richard Nabavi - I'm sorry but that won't do. Both Miliband and Cameron had a chance to take a stand when it came to phone hacking. Cameron was found wanting. I can''t believe you want to even try to defend him on this one. Bringing back Labour's cosy relationship with Murdoch pre-2009 is a red herring.
Typical double standards and hypocrisy, God I hate Socialists.
He has no standards whatsoever until he addresses this.0 -
I suggested that earlier.Sean_F said:I think Brian Coleman should go for Kensington.
And the other person on the shortlist should be Joanna Cash.0 -
The 'rich' who have been grabbing the wealth are the executive oligarchy.Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, the meme that the 'rich' (by which I think the Left mean ordinary pension funds) have grabbed all the goodies in the last 15 years is rather threadbare.rcs1000 said:
Ajusted for inflation, the stock market is half the value of 1999, and as a percentage of gdp, it's 60% down.Smarmeron said:@coolagorna
No, I saw it in the news, our stock market is at levels not seen since the dot com bust......but this time it hasn't been artificially pumped up!
It is as sound as our house prices.
it is.....isn't it?
Both the capitalists and the workers have been losing out to these parasites.
0 -
Red's Under The Bed!!!!!bigjohnowls said:
Socialists are eveywherenigel4england said:
What has Miliband said or done about industrial scale at the Mirror? Absolutely nothing.FrankBooth said:Richard Nabavi - I'm sorry but that won't do. Both Miliband and Cameron had a chance to take a stand when it came to phone hacking. Cameron was found wanting. I can''t believe you want to even try to defend him on this one. Bringing back Labour's cosy relationship with Murdoch pre-2009 is a red herring.
Typical double standards and hypocrisy, God I hate Socialists.
0 -
It's 75 guys.Pulpstar said:
Oh God.bigjohnowls said:Mirror Politics @MirrorPolitics 6m6 minutes ago
British forces head to Ukraine as David Cameron turns up the heat on Putin0 -
Sorry but Johnny Cash died years ago...TheScreamingEagles said:
I suggested that earlier.Sean_F said:I think Brian Coleman should go for Kensington.
And the other person on the shortlist should be Joanna Cash.
0 -
Another bad day for the South Yorkshire plods.
Can anyone explain why Home Secretary Theresa May and Policing Minister Mike Penning continue to show no interest ?
0 -
Barcelona get their obligatory penalty to go with the red card English teams suffer when they play them.0
-
JOANNAGIN1138 said:
Sorry but Johnny Cash died years ago...TheScreamingEagles said:
I suggested that earlier.Sean_F said:I think Brian Coleman should go for Kensington.
And the other person on the shortlist should be Joanna Cash.0 -
We actually have less telephone polling than in the run-up to the last election. If we had more telephone polling, we'd probably see more frequent Conservative leads.surbiton said:
Nick, it is unfair to mention 0%. Rod had said that his "L&N" model gave the Tories 99% certainty of absolute majority. Therefore, presumably Labour held the other 1%.NickPalmer said:Haven't heard from Rod Crosby with his swingback model lately. I hope they're both OK. Is the probability of a Labour majority still 0%, or has it crept up to 1%?
But then NOM must come before Labour. So you were right !
What does L&N stand for: Losers and No Hopers
0 -
In nominal terms, stock markets have tended to average around 9% annual nominal returns over longer periods. If you think of it as 2.5% economic growth, 2.5% inflation, 3% dividends, and 1% share buy backs, that gets to the number.Alistair said:
3.6% And that still seems pretty good to me for investing at the absolute worst possible time.Richard_Nabavi said:
Not particularly - less than 3% per annum before inflation.Alistair said:
Add in reinvested dividends and then you are doing all right even if you bought at the very peak of the dot com bubble.Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, the meme that the 'rich' (by which I think the Left mean ordinary pension funds) have grabbed all the goodies in the last 15 years is rather threadbare.rcs1000 said:
Ajusted for inflation, the stock market is half the value of 1999, and as a percentage of gdp, it's 60% down.Smarmeron said:@coolagorna
No, I saw it in the news, our stock market is at levels not seen since the dot com bust......but this time it hasn't been artificially pumped up!
It is as sound as our house prices.
it is.....isn't it?
0 -
I'm not a defender of Labour 1997-2010. I didn't even vote for them. My point was about Cameron utter failure on phone hacking when it became blindingly obvious something needed to be done. I know it's hard for you to understand but there are many of us out there who are neither kipper or tribal Labour who nonetheless think Cameron is a slimy, vacuous, spineless irrelevance of a PM.Richard_Nabavi said:
So, to get this straight, you think that phone hacking, which was carried out by the most important Labour-supporting newspaper group (and, we've recently discovered, by the other mass-market Labour-supporting newspaper group), under a Labour government, and was investigated three times under Labour-appointed Met police commissioners, and was considered by a Labour Attorney General, and was investigated without any result by a Labour-dominated select committee under the Labour government, somehow contrives to be Cameron's fault?FrankBooth said:Richard Nabavi - I'm sorry but that won't do. Both Miliband and Cameron had a chance to take a stand when it came to phone hacking. Cameron was found wanting. I can''t believe you want to even try to defend him on this one. Bringing back Labour's cosy relationship with Murdoch pre-2009 is a red herring.
As I said: hypocrisy, thy name is Labour.0 -
Who?TheScreamingEagles said:
JOANNAGIN1138 said:
Sorry but Johnny Cash died years ago...TheScreamingEagles said:
I suggested that earlier.Sean_F said:I think Brian Coleman should go for Kensington.
And the other person on the shortlist should be Joanna Cash.
0 -
She was the Tory candidate in 2010 for North Kensington, and she was awful.GIN1138 said:
Who?TheScreamingEagles said:
JOANNAGIN1138 said:
Sorry but Johnny Cash died years ago...TheScreamingEagles said:
I suggested that earlier.Sean_F said:I think Brian Coleman should go for Kensington.
And the other person on the shortlist should be Joanna Cash.
0 -
If The Ed's do finish up walking into Downing St on 7th May I'm soooooooo buying a lava lamp, candles and a couple of Boney M LP's off Ebay.0
-
Not far off the sum of British forces these days!Alistair said:
It's 75 guys.Pulpstar said:
Oh God.bigjohnowls said:Mirror Politics @MirrorPolitics 6m6 minutes ago
British forces head to Ukraine as David Cameron turns up the heat on Putin0
) 
