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  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    Pulpstar said:

    Con gain Twickers

    Con gain Bootle
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    No 10 want Dan Snow to be the candidate in Kensington

    I always thought he was a labour supporter ?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Fantastic predictions from GIN earlier tonight
  • Sean_F said:

    I'm surprised this wasn't trailed by Tom Newton Dunn.

    So far since Sunday, three Conservative leads, three Labour leads, two ties. Excellent guess by GIN.

    I think Mike's gentle piss taking out of Tom Newton Dunn has stopped him trailing only Con leads with YouGov
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,514
    edited February 2015

    No 10 want Dan Snow to be the candidate in Kensington

    Sorry you what, this a wind up?....Since when has Dan Snow been a Tory? Comes from Liberal Party stock (descendant of David Lloyd George and part of the whole liberal Peter, Jon, etc Snow family) and massively backed AV.

    Said that, I was shocked to hear that Sol Campbell is a Tory. But then building a £50 million property fortune and the threat of a massive mansion tax bill might have that affect on you.

  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,025

    2 point Tory lead with YG

    Its another score draw day in the polls

    LDs on an awful 6%

    It is beginning to look more and more terminal for them. They deserve better I think but they are a sell, no doubt about it.
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704

    Moses_ said:

    Moses_ said:

    GIN1138 said:

    If The Ed's do finish up walking into Downing St on 7th May I'm soooooooo buying a lava lamp, candles and a couple of Boney M LP's off Ebay.

    I had a Lava lamp you can have it along with my coal not dole badges free if you like.

    EICIDC

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtxlCsVKkvY
    I often wonder those that shout the loudest about the closure of mines even note that Wilson closed down twice as many in half the time. Odd that rarely gets mentioned but it's something we all knew as we did our homework by candle during the winter of discontent.

    Such is socialism that sets year zero each time anyone else walks into No 10 and can never admit the truth even to themselves.
    Wilson before my time I am afraid.

    I have to say I enjoyed being a young socialist under Thatcher though.

    Some of the badge slogans were pretty bad in hindsight "Just one more cut Thatchers throat" springs to mind


    Actually the most telling point of your post is you did not rebut the Wilson statement. Because deep down you know it's true ... Go on admit it you will feel so much better.
    No idea if its true or not but no amount of Tory spin on coal mines will mask the fact that 80 per cent of coal jobs were lost under Thatcher.

    Maybe the other difference would be that Thatcher enjoyed inflicting the misery on mining communities
    When Wilson came to power in 1964 there were 520,000 jobs in mining in Britain. When he left power in 1970 there were 290,000. I wonder if Wilson enjoyed inflicting misery on mining communities?
    Compassionate Labour rationalisation getting those poor miners above ground?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,386
    GIN1138 said:

    (Just For Fun)

    Survation - 5% Lab Lead

    YG - 1% Con Lead

    Takes a bow! :D

  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,928

    No 10 want Dan Snow to be the candidate in Kensington

    From Yes to AV? Is he a Tory?

  • I've just noticed something, the largest leads for Lab in recent days/weeks, have generally been with pollsters/methodologies that have not been tested at a general election before.

    Ashcroft, Survation have never been tested.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited February 2015

    No 10 want Dan Snow to be the candidate in Kensington

    Dan Snow, St Paul's, Balliol and married to the Duke of Westminster's daughter? Hardly original.
  • Moses_ said:

    Moses_ said:

    GIN1138 said:

    If The Ed's do finish up walking into Downing St on 7th May I'm soooooooo buying a lava lamp, candles and a couple of Boney M LP's off Ebay.

    I had a Lava lamp you can have it along with my coal not dole badges free if you like.

    EICIDC

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtxlCsVKkvY
    I often wonder those that shout the loudest about the closure of mines even note that Wilson closed down twice as many in half the time. Odd that rarely gets mentioned but it's something we all knew as we did our homework by candle during the winter of discontent.

    Such is socialism that sets year zero each time anyone else walks into No 10 and can never admit the truth even to themselves.
    Wilson before my time I am afraid.

    I have to say I enjoyed being a young socialist under Thatcher though.

    Some of the badge slogans were pretty bad in hindsight "Just one more cut Thatchers throat" springs to mind


    Actually the most telling point of your post is you did not rebut the Wilson statement. Because deep down you know it's true ... Go on admit it you will feel so much better.
    No idea if its true or not but no amount of Tory spin on coal mines will mask the fact that 80 per cent of coal jobs were lost under Thatcher.

    Maybe the other difference would be that Thatcher enjoyed inflicting the misery on mining communities
    Amazing that a bloke with a 'coal not dole' badge has no idea of the history.

    Just another thick Socialist with double standards.
    I have some lovely Anti Nazi League badges too "pogo on a nazi" or Rock against Racism would you like one Nigel?

    Only thick people call people with an IQ of 138 thick because they are Socialists BTW.
    Yes well John I was actually fighting the Neo-nazis and the National Front and getting all my fingers broken by them whilst the Anti-Nazi League were handing out badges and running away from the slightest sign of trouble.
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245

    Moses_ said:

    Moses_ said:

    GIN1138 said:

    If The Ed's do finish up walking into Downing St on 7th May I'm soooooooo buying a lava lamp, candles and a couple of Boney M LP's off Ebay.

    I had a Lava lamp you can have it along with my coal not dole badges free if you like.

    EICIDC

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtxlCsVKkvY
    I often wonder those that shout the loudest about the closure of mines even note that Wilson closed down twice as many in half the time. Odd that rarely gets mentioned but it's something we all knew as we did our homework by candle during the winter of discontent.

    Such is socialism that sets year zero each time anyone else walks into No 10 and can never admit the truth even to themselves.
    Wilson before my time I am afraid.

    I have to say I enjoyed being a young socialist under Thatcher though.

    Some of the badge slogans were pretty bad in hindsight "Just one more cut Thatchers throat" springs to mind


    Actually the most telling point of your post is you did not rebut the Wilson statement. Because deep down you know it's true ... Go on admit it you will feel so much better.
    No idea if its true or not but no amount of Tory spin on coal mines will mask the fact that 80 per cent of coal jobs were lost under Thatcher.

    Maybe the other difference would be that Thatcher enjoyed inflicting the misery on mining communities
    You're rarely correct.


    http://www.conservativehome.com//leftwatch/2013/04/wilson-closed-more-coal-mines-than-thatcher.html


  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Osborne to devolve £6bn NHS Budget to Manchester

    http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-31615218
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    edited February 2015
    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    (Just For Fun)

    Survation - 5% Lab Lead

    YG - 1% Con Lead

    Takes a bow! :D

    Well done,have you done your seats prediction yet for the GE ;-)
  • The other names on the list are

    Kirstie Allsopp, James Cracknell, Andrew Strauss and Frank Lampard
  • They like Dan Snow, because his interventions with his lovebombing during the Indyref
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Sky news

    Bercow says MPs will cop it if they have broken rules. He went on to say......

    "People should not be in Parliament to add to their personal fortune."

    http://news.sky.com/story/1433564/bercow-cash-for-access-mps-may-cop-it
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Well, the high from that Survation was nice for all 20 minutes that it lasted until YouGov came through.

    Still, Casino Royale's analogy about the lazy guy going to the crap pub gave me a good chuckle!
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    No 10 want Dan Snow to be the candidate in Kensington

    Snow or Hodges?
    It does seem hodges has a soft spot for Cameron ;-)

  • I like Anna Soubry even more now

    It was supposed to be a warts and all documentary showing what really goes on in the corridors of power.

    But the most explosive part of the fly-on-the-wall film about the inner workings of Parliament was yesterday dramatically edited out amid claims it showed a Tory minister shout an obscenity at Ed Miliband.

    Anna Soubry threatened legal action and issued a furious denial just hours before the final episode of Inside The Commons was to air on BBC Two last night.

    A comment that sounded like 'sanctimonious c***' was shouted at the Labour leader during a Commons debate last June. It appeared to come from the direction of the defence minister but she said this suggestion was 'outrageous'


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2967589/An-unspeakable-obscenity-Minister-s-rant-Ed-riddle-scene-cut-BBC-Inside-Commons-documentary.html
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    For any passing press barons or members of the upper chamber, I can happily provide them with a daily opinion poll based on reading the entrails of small animals. It has proven to be no more divergent from reality than those methods already employed by those polls currently operating in the field...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,514
    edited February 2015

    The other names on the list are

    Kirstie Allsopp, James Cracknell, Andrew Strauss and Frank Lampard

    How would any of those actually have time to be an MP, and would Frank commute from NY every week or would be work remotely via FaceTime?
  • 35% strategy vindicated?
  • YouGov must be an outlier :)
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,025

    The other names on the list are

    Kirstie Allsopp, James Cracknell, Andrew Strauss and Frank Lampard

    Got the impression on Guido that Kirstie was ruling herself out today. Strauss would be interesting.
  • The other names on the list are

    Kirstie Allsopp, James Cracknell, Andrew Strauss and Frank Lampard

    How would any of those actually have time to be an MP, and would Frank commute from NY every week?
    Well Crackers tried to be an MEP
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,538
    If UKPR update tomorrow, they should move to 33% apiece.
  • DavidL said:

    The other names on the list are

    Kirstie Allsopp, James Cracknell, Andrew Strauss and Frank Lampard

    Got the impression on Guido that Kirstie was ruling herself out today. Strauss would be interesting.
    I think Strauss can't afford the pay cut if he left Sky.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,133
    edited February 2015
    Simple average of this week's polls inc. tonight's YG still puts Lab 1.0% ahead :)
  • The other names on the list are

    Kirstie Allsopp, James Cracknell, Andrew Strauss and Frank Lampard

    I see the Telegraph are also saying Jeremy Paxman.
  • The other names on the list are

    Kirstie Allsopp, James Cracknell, Andrew Strauss and Frank Lampard

    I see the Telegraph are also saying Jeremy Paxman.
    Paxman would be a horrific MP.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,587
    philiph said:

    What a depressing poll.

    The prospect of yet another Labour government fills me with dread. The last time they royally screwed the economy, systemically trashed our civil liberties, and made it a mission statement to sell-out our interests as a nation wherever they could.

    Yet the electorate still default to them whenever they think the alternative isn't eons better. It's like that bloke that lazily traipses from his house to that crap, rough pub round the corner - to be served yet another disappointing pint by the rude landlord, and end-up in another piss-poor brawl at the end of the night - just because it's easy, convenient, and a known entity. He'd rather sport a shiner at work the next day than be ignored by the posh bloke that runs that nice, successful gastro-pub up the road, but looks like he couldn't care less whether you're there or not.

    And how bad must Cameron be to face the prospect of losing to Ed Miliband, for Pete's sake?

    Labour: the Japanese knotweed of British politics. I'm going to... do something else.

    I have to say I don't think I can remember a less impressive shadow cabinet going into an election.
    Let us hope they end up blossoming in government and being merely a little crappy, ie the usual standard. Though since several of them were highly placed in the last government and will have learned no lessons from that time given they will be getting back in so quickly, I'm worried an arrogance streak will prevent that.
  • The other names on the list are

    Kirstie Allsopp, James Cracknell, Andrew Strauss and Frank Lampard

    I see the Telegraph are also saying Jeremy Paxman.
    Just imagine if they made Paxman a Minister and you had Shadow him, no one would take the job
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,386

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    (Just For Fun)

    Survation - 5% Lab Lead

    YG - 1% Con Lead

    Takes a bow! :D

    Well done,have you done your seats prediction yet for the GE ;-)
    Not yet.

  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,025

    DavidL said:

    The other names on the list are

    Kirstie Allsopp, James Cracknell, Andrew Strauss and Frank Lampard

    Got the impression on Guido that Kirstie was ruling herself out today. Strauss would be interesting.
    I think Strauss can't afford the pay cut if he left Sky.
    He could still do Sky during the summer vacation and if he made a go of it there might be London Mayor further down the line.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,538

    The other names on the list are

    Kirstie Allsopp, James Cracknell, Andrew Strauss and Frank Lampard

    I see the Telegraph are also saying Jeremy Paxman.
    How about Frank Boyle?
  • The other names on the list are

    Kirstie Allsopp, James Cracknell, Andrew Strauss and Frank Lampard

    I see the Telegraph are also saying Jeremy Paxman.
    Just imagine if they made Paxman a Minister and you had Shadow him, no one would take the job
    Even worse Paxman as a Minister...he was bad enough with only the power to expose idiot MPs, imagine what he would be like with some real power.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,587
    edited February 2015

    The other names on the list are

    Kirstie Allsopp, James Cracknell, Andrew Strauss and Frank Lampard

    I see the Telegraph are also saying Jeremy Paxman.
    So really anyone who might possibly be or lean Tory and is not an identikit boring former spad is being looked at?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,025

    For any passing press barons or members of the upper chamber, I can happily provide them with a daily opinion poll based on reading the entrails of small animals. It has proven to be no more divergent from reality than those methods already employed by those polls currently operating in the field...

    LOL. We still need a like button back.
  • DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    The other names on the list are

    Kirstie Allsopp, James Cracknell, Andrew Strauss and Frank Lampard

    Got the impression on Guido that Kirstie was ruling herself out today. Strauss would be interesting.
    I think Strauss can't afford the pay cut if he left Sky.
    He could still do Sky during the summer vacation and if he made a go of it there might be London Mayor further down the line.
    There's some YouGov London polling in the Times, so far, all I've gleaned is that

    Although today’s Times/YouGov poll reveals that Labour is set to make substantial gains in London, 63 per cent of all voters think the Tory mayor is doing a good job and only 28 per cent think he is performing badly.

    Astonishingly, as many Labour voters approve of the job he is doing as disapprove. And given Mr Cameron’s pressing need to bring Ukip voters back into the fold, twice as many of Nigel Farage’s voters approve of Mr Johnson as disapprove.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    @moses I have found the figures regarding mining job losses now 212,000 were lost under wilson 224,818 were lost under thatcher.

    Interesting fact that I didnt know
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865

    Fantastic predictions from GIN earlier tonight

    Unlike your miners of course. So have you got the correct figures now that completely destroys your wild claim.

    Mind you you had one bit right but the wrong way round. The miners loved causing pain to the country even Labour governments. Of course that was " before your time" of course .......
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    I like Anna Soubry even more now

    It was supposed to be a warts and all documentary showing what really goes on in the corridors of power.

    But the most explosive part of the fly-on-the-wall film about the inner workings of Parliament was yesterday dramatically edited out amid claims it showed a Tory minister shout an obscenity at Ed Miliband.

    Anna Soubry threatened legal action and issued a furious denial just hours before the final episode of Inside The Commons was to air on BBC Two last night.

    A comment that sounded like 'sanctimonious c***' was shouted at the Labour leader during a Commons debate last June. It appeared to come from the direction of the defence minister but she said this suggestion was 'outrageous'


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2967589/An-unspeakable-obscenity-Minister-s-rant-Ed-riddle-scene-cut-BBC-Inside-Commons-documentary.html

    Retread vs the voice of truth..
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    edited February 2015

    @moses I have found the figures regarding mining job losses now 212,000 were lost under wilson 224,818 were lost under thatcher.

    Interesting fact that I didnt know

    Keep digging

    Shhhhh don't mention the 80% claim
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,587

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    The other names on the list are

    Kirstie Allsopp, James Cracknell, Andrew Strauss and Frank Lampard

    Got the impression on Guido that Kirstie was ruling herself out today. Strauss would be interesting.
    I think Strauss can't afford the pay cut if he left Sky.
    He could still do Sky during the summer vacation and if he made a go of it there might be London Mayor further down the line.
    Although today’s Times/YouGov poll reveals that Labour is set to make substantial gains in London, 63 per cent of all voters think the Tory mayor is doing a good job and only 28 per cent think he is performing badly.
    .
    So either they're ungrateful, or they don't think a Tory government is a good idea even though they are not opposed to a Tory mayor, or they are confused about their own political identity.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    The other names on the list are

    Kirstie Allsopp, James Cracknell, Andrew Strauss and Frank Lampard

    Katie Hopkins?
  • Moses_ said:

    Sky news

    Bercow says MPs will cop it if they have broken rules. He went on to say......

    "People should not be in Parliament to add to their personal fortune."

    http://news.sky.com/story/1433564/bercow-cash-for-access-mps-may-cop-it

    Given Bercow had to repay thousands of pounds in CGT during the expenses row and was the Tories top trougher stuffing his pockets with almost the maximum amount of expenses available (Silly Bercow must be expensive) that he should preach at other MPs is priceless!
  • @moses I have found the figures regarding mining job losses now 212,000 were lost under wilson 224,818 were lost under thatcher.

    Interesting fact that I didnt know

    Wrong again.

    There were 225,000 jobs in UK mining industry when Thatcher came to power and around 60,000 when she was ousted 11 years later. So Job losses under Thatcher were around 165,000 in 11 years compared to around 220,000 in 6 years under Wilson.

    Wilson must have really hated those miners.
  • FalseFlagFalseFlag Posts: 1,801
    GIN1138 said:

    surbiton said:

    What bloody business do we have in Ukraine ?

    The same could be asked of Vlad...

    Errr neighbouring country with over 10 million ethnic Russians?

    Just ask Jacques Attali.
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/jacques-attali-russia-should-be-our-ally/
  • Front page of the Times

    Tories call for Boris to rescue their campaign

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-pPZrHWwAAkNJl.jpg
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,326
    DavidL said:

    Cyclefree said:

    DavidL said:

    Cyclefree said:





    And working for a bank but taking orders, directly or indirectly, from politicians at the whim of whatever's in the press, with relatively low pay (relative to other similar roles) is a bugger of a job

    But - and it's a big but in my view - it is precisely this focus only on skills rather than on character and judgment which has been behind a lot of the disastrous personnel choices of recent years. In the end, experience and knowledge count for absolutely nothing if you have poor judgment.

    It also sends out a poor signal to people at large - that even when you make bad mistakes you still stay on the gravy train. And it creates the impression that, for all the talent around, the pool of people from whom the choices for good jobs are made, is very small, another very bad signal and not, IMO, true - if only people thought intelligently about what is needed.

    There is remarkably little diversity in Britain in establishment roles - it often feels like it is the same 200 people who rotate round and round and they could all be described in pretty much the same way.

    He is an archetypal bureaucrat who wouldn't know a moral principle if you bent it into a flat iron and clobbered him with it.

    I thought it was shocking that he was not sued for his incompetence at the FSA. It seemed to me a classic demonstration of how our ruling class are never held responsible for their criminal negligence. And now this. I despair, I really do.
    So do I.

    He did a management consultant's job at the FSA. He did what he was asked to do but he - and his political masters - missed the point by a country mile. His failings at the LSE (and remember that that other moral prig - Shami Chakrabati - an over-hyped ninny who has only the most cursory and superficial understanding of liberty, security and the balance between the two was on the LSE's Board at the time) showed the measure of the man when he had to make a judgment. He failed.

    Banking is an industry which attracts the greedy and the stupid. So you have to work extra hard to make sure that at the top - at every level - you have people who have the requisite moral backbone and good judgment and who know that the people at the top will back them, even when they make difficult calls.

    How can you have that trust in a bank's leadership when the people at the top are the sort of people who are good at managing up, good at managing their own careers, good at walking away from a mess at the right time and at landing on their feet?

    Honestly, if the answer to your question is a "management consultant" you've been asking the wrong bloody question.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Moses_ said:

    @moses I have found the figures regarding mining job losses now 212,000 were lost under wilson 224,818 were lost under thatcher.

    Interesting fact that I didnt know

    Keep digging
    Cant Thatcher has closed all the pits!!
  • At this rate, the Tory side of the house could end up resembling some terrible reality celeb show than a political party.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    kle4 said:


    So either they're ungrateful, or they don't think a Tory government is a good idea even though they are not opposed to a Tory mayor, or they are confused about their own political identity.

    Or Boris reaches the parts that other Tories can't reach
  • Front page of the Times

    Tories call for Boris to rescue their campaign

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-pPZrHWwAAkNJl.jpg

    What could possibly go wrong?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    @moses I have found the figures regarding mining job losses now 212,000 were lost under wilson 224,818 were lost under thatcher.

    Interesting fact that I didnt know

    Wrong again.

    There were 225,000 jobs in UK mining industry when Thatcher came to power and around 60,000 when she was ousted 11 years later. So Job losses under Thatcher were around 165,000 in 11 years compared to around 220,000 in 6 years under Wilson.

    Wilson must have really hated those miners.
    Where do you get those figures from?

    ConHome or Daily Mail

  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @FrancisUrquhart
    Do we file Bojo under complacency or panic?
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    edited February 2015

    @moses I have found the figures regarding mining job losses now 212,000 were lost under wilson 224,818 were lost under thatcher.

    Interesting fact that I didnt know

    Wrong again.

    There were 225,000 jobs in UK mining industry when Thatcher came to power and around 60,000 when she was ousted 11 years later. So Job losses under Thatcher were around 165,000 in 11 years compared to around 220,000 in 6 years under Wilson.

    Wilson must have really hated those miners.
    RT
    Don't forget 80% of all miners jobs were lost under Thatcher. ( according to the guy with an IQ of 138)
    Mathamatical calculations not the stong point in that IQ obviously

    Good night
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341


    What could possibly go wrong?

    Boris knows how to win in London. He knows how to beat people like Livingstone, so Miliband is small fry.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,587

    Front page of the Times

    Tories call for Boris to rescue their campaign

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-pPZrHWwAAkNJl.jpg

    I thought Boris did not really have as much electoral reach outside London as they might like? Oh well, he's still currently more of an asset than not, so anything's worth trying on this point.

    On another matter, perusing the UKIP leaflet I received yesterday, I noted with some surprise they are not apparently intending to do away with the entire foreign aid budget, as had been my impression. 'much reduced' and targeted very specifically, but I was genuinely unaware of this apparent policy, assuming it is their policy.

    I was also curious at their phrasing with a headline about 'reducing debts we leave to our grandchildren'. Why grandchildren and not just children I wonder?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,587
    chestnut said:

    kle4 said:


    So either they're ungrateful, or they don't think a Tory government is a good idea even though they are not opposed to a Tory mayor, or they are confused about their own political identity.

    Or Boris reaches the parts that other Tories can't reach
    That would go under the second possibility I raised I think, though perhaps I should have said not opposed to 'this specific' Tory mayor to be clearer.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,514
    edited February 2015
    Smarmeron said:

    @FrancisUrquhart
    Do we file Bojo under complacency or panic?

    Well with Prescott and Bojo on the campaign trial, should brighten up the nightly news.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6H3ytL0lh0U

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XTiI1e-wVc
  • kle4 said:

    Front page of the Times

    Tories call for Boris to rescue their campaign

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-pPZrHWwAAkNJl.jpg

    I thought Boris did not really have as much electoral reach outside London as they might like? Oh well, he's still currently more of an asset than not, so anything's worth trying on this point.

    On another matter, perusing the UKIP leaflet I received yesterday, I noted with some surprise they are not apparently intending to do away with the entire foreign aid budget, as had been my impression. 'much reduced' and targeted very specifically, but I was genuinely unaware of this apparent policy, assuming it is their policy.

    I was also curious at their phrasing with a headline about 'reducing debts we leave to our grandchildren'. Why grandchildren and not just children I wonder?
    Boris would be the cherry on the parfait.

    Dave & Boris vs Ed

    Their ratings means only one outcome
  • GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    (Just For Fun)

    Survation - 5% Lab Lead

    YG - 1% Con Lead

    Takes a bow! :D

    Impudent peasant :)
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,928
    Paxman???? The thought of MP Paxman doing a heated interview with a leading broadcaster just seems bizarre.
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited February 2015
    After being shrortlisted in

    Wealden
    North East Hampshire
    South Cambridgeshire
    Bury St Edmunds
    Banbury

    Helen Whately wins Faversham and Mid Kent Conservative selection tonight.

    Meanwhile, the Labour PPC for Bradford West selected on Saturday has apparently already resigned.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,326

    At this rate, the Tory side of the house could end up resembling some terrible reality celeb show than a political party.

    Jesus: can't they find some real people? From somewhere north of the Cotswolds - Cumbria, say? Who doesn't think that appearing on TV is the only point of life?



  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,538
    chestnut said:


    What could possibly go wrong?

    Boris knows how to win in London. He knows how to beat people like Livingstone, so Miliband is small fry.

    I don't know how far Boris' appeal would reach outside the South East.
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245

    @moses I have found the figures regarding mining job losses now 212,000 were lost under wilson 224,818 were lost under thatcher.

    Interesting fact that I didnt know

    Wrong again.

    There were 225,000 jobs in UK mining industry when Thatcher came to power and around 60,000 when she was ousted 11 years later. So Job losses under Thatcher were around 165,000 in 11 years compared to around 220,000 in 6 years under Wilson.

    Wilson must have really hated those miners.
    Where do you get those figures from?

    ConHome or Daily Mail

    With your massive iq I thought you would have been able to follow the link to the original source not just the extract on the conhome page. Obviously I overestimated your abilities.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,133
    edited February 2015
    @Mike_K

    Mark Rylance on Newsnight right now
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,963
    edited February 2015
    Reading the Times cursory article

    Boris would be ideal, as he manages to win back the Con to UKIP defectors (which is odd given Boris' opinion on the EU)

    He also is a big hitter in terms of being able to attack Labour without coming off a Posh boy bully that Dave does (which again is odd considering they are both Old Etonian Buller Boys)

    So if Dave says Ed is crap and goes after him, he comes off as a bully.

    Boris could say Ed is so crap, he's as useful making Themistocles' dog a general
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    Sean_F said:

    chestnut said:


    What could possibly go wrong?

    Boris knows how to win in London. He knows how to beat people like Livingstone, so Miliband is small fry.

    I don't know how far Boris' appeal would reach outside the South East.
    Well, stabilise and increase support in Essex and Kent wound't be unwelcome for the Tory party.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    DavidL said:

    For any passing press barons or members of the upper chamber, I can happily provide them with a daily opinion poll based on reading the entrails of small animals. It has proven to be no more divergent from reality than those methods already employed by those polls currently operating in the field...

    LOL. We still need a like button back.
    I was thinking of calling it the Blatantly Unreliable Marquee Mark Entrail Reader....
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,326
    chestnut said:


    What could possibly go wrong?

    Boris knows how to win in London. He knows how to beat people like Livingstone, so Miliband is small fry.

    Boris might well have lost against a different Labour opponent. As it was, the result was close. Livingstone was voter repellent to enough voters to make Boris win.

    He simply is not the right sort of person to reach the parts of the country other Tories cannot reach. The Tories are deluded if they think he is the answer.

  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited February 2015
    There is literally no possible evidence, no matter how authoritative or well-documented or even approved by the BBC, which will shake the Left from their mindless faith in the myth that Thatcher vindictively destroyed coal mining, or British industry generally. So irrational is their hatred, so complete has been their buying-in to the rewrite of history, that it's a waste of time (albeit quite amusing) to point out the facts, whether they relate to the UK:

    http://philtaylor.org.uk/2013/04/did-thatcher-leave-mining-in-ruins/

    or indeed to what was happening in the rest of Europe, which, without the assistance of Maggie, somehow managed to deindustrialise on a similar scale, but without the concomitant improvements elsewhere in the economy.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,916
    TSE Would be amusing to see Sir Malcolm replaced by Frank Lampard, mind you Lampard has got something between the ears, he has an A* in Latin and a well above average IQ as well as being a multimillionaire!
  • There's new and old polling to back up Boris being a vote winner in a general election campaign.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Boris is liked by London (one of Labour's strong points) and by young people (one of Labour's strong points).

    His presence, if targeted, then helps the Tories and weakens Labour.

    He should be working London marginals.
  • @moses I have found the figures regarding mining job losses now 212,000 were lost under wilson 224,818 were lost under thatcher.

    Interesting fact that I didnt know

    Wrong again.

    There were 225,000 jobs in UK mining industry when Thatcher came to power and around 60,000 when she was ousted 11 years later. So Job losses under Thatcher were around 165,000 in 11 years compared to around 220,000 in 6 years under Wilson.

    Wilson must have really hated those miners.
    Where do you get those figures from?

    ConHome or Daily Mail

    The BBC. :-)

    Are you sure your IQ is 138?

    Just goes to show I was right about how useless IQ is for measuring intelligence.
  • Moses_ said:

    Moses_ said:

    GIN1138 said:

    If The Ed's do finish up walking into Downing St on 7th May I'm soooooooo buying a lava lamp, candles and a couple of Boney M LP's off Ebay.

    I had a Lava lamp you can have it along with my coal not dole badges free if you like.

    EICIDC

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtxlCsVKkvY
    I often wonder those that shout the loudest about the closure of mines even note that Wilson closed down twice as many in half the time. Odd that rarely gets mentioned but it's something we all knew as we did our homework by candle during the winter of discontent.

    Such is socialism that sets year zero each time anyone else walks into No 10 and can never admit the truth even to themselves.
    Wilson before my time I am afraid.

    I have to say I enjoyed being a young socialist under Thatcher though.

    Some of the badge slogans were pretty bad in hindsight "Just one more cut Thatchers throat" springs to mind


    Actually the most telling point of your post is you did not rebut the Wilson statement. Because deep down you know it's true ... Go on admit it you will feel so much better.
    No idea if its true or not but no amount of Tory spin on coal mines will mask the fact that 80 per cent of coal jobs were lost under Thatcher.

    Maybe the other difference would be that Thatcher enjoyed inflicting the misery on mining communities
    When Wilson came to power in 1964 there were 520,000 jobs in mining in Britain. When he left power in 1970 there were 290,000. I wonder if Wilson enjoyed inflicting misery on mining communities?
    I could ask my grandad who was made redundant by the Wilson government.

    Still he was given the opportunity to work at another pit - 12 mile bike ride there, 8 hours underground, 12 mile bike ride home. He dropped dead a couple of years later.

    If he'd been made redundant in the 1980s he would have received a big payoff and a nice pension.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,587
    Cyclefree said:

    chestnut said:


    What could possibly go wrong?

    Boris knows how to win in London. He knows how to beat people like Livingstone, so Miliband is small fry.

    Boris might well have lost against a different Labour opponent. As it was, the result was close. Livingstone was voter repellent to enough voters to make Boris win.

    He simply is not the right sort of person to reach the parts of the country other Tories cannot reach. The Tories are deluded if they think he is the answer.

    He's an answer perhaps, as philiph postulates if Boris could shore up the vote in the SE region, that would be pretty useful, but I'd agree he isn't the answer. Maybe his star is waning a bit, maybe he's a bit too londoney or stereotypically Tory to make inroads in other places, but whatever the reason, he's not going to single handedly revive an at best moderate campaign, when they need a game changer. Granted, no single person or factor could be that game changer, and maybe Boris can be one of a number of things to contribute to that changing game, but there's hints of desperation in the level of hope at times.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    Paxman is currently still scheduled to be hosting the C4/Sky debate between Cameron and Miliband!
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Moses_ said:

    @moses I have found the figures regarding mining job losses now 212,000 were lost under wilson 224,818 were lost under thatcher.

    Interesting fact that I didnt know

    Wrong again.

    There were 225,000 jobs in UK mining industry when Thatcher came to power and around 60,000 when she was ousted 11 years later. So Job losses under Thatcher were around 165,000 in 11 years compared to around 220,000 in 6 years under Wilson.

    Wilson must have really hated those miners.
    RT
    Don't forget 80% of all miners jobs were lost under Thatcher. ( according to the guy with an IQ of 138)
    Mathamatical calculations not the stong point in that IQ obviously

    Good night
    80% reduction in mining jobs under Thatcher wouldnt work with Tyndall or your numbers but i am afraid you are both wrong.

    What is your source?
  • Never forget ....January the crossover month, February the pulling away month and March the regular majority winning lead month.

    Go PB Hodges and Tory HQ!

    Who actually made that original prediction ?
    Audrey, I think. As she's now banished and I don't know who she was, my bet with her (£10 that the Tories will not lead by 7%) may not be collectable, I fear.
    Did you confirm details with PtP as intermediary ?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,587
    edited February 2015
    I believe he said he wouldn't, but I would love it if Ken Livingstone ran for London Mayor again. That would be hilarious whether he won or not, and as I don't live there the outcome wouldn't matter to me anyway, so there's no downside.
  • kle4 said:

    I believe he said he wouldn't, but I would love it if Ken Livingstone ran for London Mayor again. That would be hilarious whether he won or not, and as I don't live there the outcome wouldn't matter to me anyway, so there's no downside.

    You would love it?

    You are Kevin Keegan and I claim by £5
  • Moses_ said:

    @moses I have found the figures regarding mining job losses now 212,000 were lost under wilson 224,818 were lost under thatcher.

    Interesting fact that I didnt know

    Wrong again.

    There were 225,000 jobs in UK mining industry when Thatcher came to power and around 60,000 when she was ousted 11 years later. So Job losses under Thatcher were around 165,000 in 11 years compared to around 220,000 in 6 years under Wilson.

    Wilson must have really hated those miners.
    RT
    Don't forget 80% of all miners jobs were lost under Thatcher. ( according to the guy with an IQ of 138)
    Mathamatical calculations not the stong point in that IQ obviously

    Good night
    80% reduction in mining jobs under Thatcher wouldnt work with Tyndall or your numbers but i am afraid you are both wrong.

    What is your source?
    Try the House of Commons

    http://www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/rp99-111.pdf

    (Graph on Page 19)

    Like I said, I really would get that IQ checked if I were you. Maybe you meant you had 138 Anti-Nazi League badges.

  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    On that graph from Wiki, within margin of error.
  • Actually it looks almost exactly right. You clearly don't know how to read a graph.
  • And, for any lefties still in denial, here is the Beeb, no less, puzzled at discovering that the truth isn't quite what they expected:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7952388.stm

    [It's a waste of time though. No facts will shake the irrationality].
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    @moses I have found the figures regarding mining job losses now 212,000 were lost under wilson 224,818 were lost under thatcher.

    Interesting fact that I didnt know

    These numbers are correct

    1979 281,023 employed
    1990 56,204

    Jobs lost equal 224,819

    56204 as a percentage of 281023 = 19.99% ie 80.01% of miners jobs lost
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited February 2015

    @moses I have found the figures regarding mining job losses now 212,000 were lost under wilson 224,818 were lost under thatcher.

    Interesting fact that I didnt know

    These numbers are correct

    1979 281,023 employed
    1990 56,204

    Jobs lost equal 224,819

    56204 as a percentage of 281023 = 19.99% ie 80.01% of miners jobs lost
    Yes, about the same rate of job loss as under Wilson.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,928
    I wouldn't write Boris off but who is he? At some point he'll have to decide. The metropolitan immigration loving mayor? The eurosceptic darling of the Tory grassroots? A Thatcherite or a one-nation revivalist? My guess is it depends on whoever he is addressing at the time.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,326
    kle4 said:

    I believe he said he wouldn't, but I would love it if Ken Livingstone ran for London Mayor again. That would be hilarious whether he won or not, and as I don't live there the outcome wouldn't matter to me anyway, so there's no downside.

    Christ, no!! There's no hilarity with Livingstone. He's far more dangerous than people assume.

  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    @moses I have found the figures regarding mining job losses now 212,000 were lost under wilson 224,818 were lost under thatcher.

    Interesting fact that I didnt know

    Wrong again.

    There were 225,000 jobs in UK mining industry when Thatcher came to power and around 60,000 when she was ousted 11 years later. So Job losses under Thatcher were around 165,000 in 11 years compared to around 220,000 in 6 years under Wilson.

    Wilson must have really hated those miners.
    Where do you get those figures from?

    ConHome or Daily Mail

    The BBC. :-)

    Are you sure your IQ is 138?

    Just goes to show I was right about how useless IQ is for measuring intelligence.
    1979 281,023 employed
    1990 56,204

    Jobs lost equal 224,819

    56204 as a percentage of 281023 = 19.99% ie 80.01% of miners jobs lost

    Spot on no wonder I am a genius compared to some!!!

    I remember TSE pointed out the survey showing Kippers had the lowest IQ
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,568

    Never forget ....January the crossover month, February the pulling away month and March the regular majority winning lead month.

    Go PB Hodges and Tory HQ!

    Who actually made that original prediction ?
    Audrey, I think. As she's now banished and I don't know who she was, my bet with her (£10 that the Tories will not lead by 7%) may not be collectable, I fear.
    Did you confirm details with PtP as intermediary ?
    Errr no. She was posting so regularly that it didn't seem necessary. If she's around, perhaps she can contact me - it'd be helpful to know if the bet is live or not.
  • @TSEofPB: YouGov polling for the Times on London http://t.co/e7q7FEtFg0
  • @moses I have found the figures regarding mining job losses now 212,000 were lost under wilson 224,818 were lost under thatcher.

    Interesting fact that I didnt know

    These numbers are correct

    1979 281,023 employed
    1990 56,204

    Jobs lost equal 224,819

    56204 as a percentage of 281023 = 19.99% ie 80.01% of miners jobs lost
    Really? So the House of Commons Library and the BBC and, incidently, the Guardian who also used the same figures, are wrong then?

    What source do you have for your figures?
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