Farage called for "cold hard rage", and this is what we get.
I think we all knew how to precis "cold hard rage" into simply "riots". It worked in Southport, so why not in Southampton? I take exception to "Henry Nowak protesters". They are Farage rioters.
Question Time from Makerfield on Thursday (not sure of the venue). Will feature Labour, Reform, Tory, LibDem and Green candidates. Not Restore as of yet.
If I was Restore or the Monster Raving Loony Party, I'd Sue.
Tories are lucky to be included based on polling…
If Kemi saves a deposit she'll be claiming a massive victory
Kemi did well this morning chasing down Farage's opportune racism, and then Philp somewhat spoiled it by the afternoon.
All you PB Tories* are laughing at the Labour front bench yet you still have Philp on the first team, team sheet
Question Time from Makerfield on Thursday (not sure of the venue). Will feature Labour, Reform, Tory, LibDem and Green candidates. Not Restore as of yet.
If I was Restore or the Monster Raving Loony Party, I'd Sue.
Tories are lucky to be included based on polling…
If Kemi saves a deposit she'll be claiming a massive victory
Kemi did well this morning chasing down Farage's opportune racism, and then Philp somewhat spoiled it by the afternoon.
All you PB Tories* are laughing at the Labour front bench yet you still have Philp on the first team, team sheet
The idea of being indigenous is tricky anywhere. Humanity has seen waves of population migration since they left Africa and very often preexisting inhabitants get moved on or exterminated. Even places like NZ or Australia we cannot really be sure that the people we consider to be indigenous really are, and are not in fact usurpers.
In the UK? God knows. But until WW2 the country was overwhelmingly white.
The existence of the Basque language, unrelated to any other known tongue, suggests that all the Indo European languages, including all the Celtic ones are usurpers in western Europe.
Perhaps, but then who did the Basque wipe out? Neanderthals were here first!
It goes, if I remember correctly…
Neanderthals
… who were replaced by, and possibly wiped out by Homo sapiens, who we shall call in Western Europe the Western Hunter Gatherers (WHG)…
…. who were replaced by Neolithic farmers from Anatolia (and the Basque language may be a remnant of theirs, and may not)…
… who were replaced by the Beaker Culture, who developed into the Celts.
In England, the Celts are then largely replaced by Anglo-Saxons. In Scotland, there’s some replacement of Picts (probably Celts) by Scots (Celts from Ireland). In Iberia, the earlier Beaker culture descendants were replaced by different Celts from the east and north, and later the Romans.
Does that seem right?
Actually, I think the first lot of H. sapiens were replaced by a more ‘modern’ sapiens population, who make up the WHG.
A few miscellaneous observations on the Novak case.
1. A small point, but what part of 'I choose not to watch a man dying' do media outlets fail to understand? It's really quite angered me that several mainstream channels covering this story think it's OK to use extended footage of this with zero warning. I can understand the arguments and be furious about the injustice without seeing the video, thanks anyway.
2. Everything that Farage says in his video is, in my opinion, true. It's a good debate for Reform, because it's not about a vision of ethnic purity, it's about equal application of the law. It is also highly incendiary. However, Farage is filling a vacuum left, once again, by Starmer, who should have been absolutely all over this, but hasn't touched it.
3. Reform's social media attacks on Kemi have been below the belt, but their misrepresentation of her statements are very similar to her own misrepresentation of Nigel's speech, where he also said that black lives matter.
The idea of being indigenous is tricky anywhere. Humanity has seen waves of population migration since they left Africa and very often preexisting inhabitants get moved on or exterminated. Even places like NZ or Australia we cannot really be sure that the people we consider to be indigenous really are, and are not in fact usurpers.
In the UK? God knows. But until WW2 the country was overwhelmingly white.
The existence of the Basque language, unrelated to any other known tongue, suggests that all the Indo European languages, including all the Celtic ones are usurpers in western Europe.
Perhaps, but then who did the Basque wipe out? Neanderthals were here first!
It goes, if I remember correctly…
Neanderthals
… who were replaced by, and possibly wiped out by Homo sapiens, who we shall call in Western Europe the Western Hunter Gatherers (WHG)…
…. who were replaced by Neolithic farmers from Anatolia (and the Basque language may be a remnant of theirs, and may not)…
… who were replaced by the Beaker Culture, who developed into the Celts.
In England, the Celts are then largely replaced by Anglo-Saxons. In Scotland, there’s some replacement of Picts (probably Celts) by Scots (Celts from Ireland). In Iberia, the earlier Beaker culture descendants were replaced by different Celts from the east and north, and later the Romans.
Does that seem right?
Yep. And as discussed a while ago on PB we are all descended from the same people if you go back far enough, or have a common ancestor at least.
The police would deserve it if the riots are true and sadly Farage is right about two tier justice.
Sorry Max but you are better than a post like that. Anyone else making that post would be racking up the flags.
We have two tier justice in this country. A judge just let off three teenage rapists on the basis that they're from gypsy backgrounds, a murderer was treated as a victim by the police while the true victim was arrested as he was slowly bleeding out from his stab wounds. These are two very recent injustices in this country and two clear examples of two tier justice.
Until we face up to the causes of people voting for Reform then Reform will continue to win and eventually Farage becomes PM which is an outcome I do not want to see. Simply denying the blatantly obvious and asking the public to not believe what they can see in front of them doesn't work.
The judicial system is not perfect, but "two tier justice" is a faux narrative from right wing politicians like Farage.
The flip side was that most of the criminals who allegedly murdered Stephen Lawrence weren't prosecuted because of wait for it, a faux narrative called two tier justice. Although in that instance the claim was on more solid ground.
I am convinced that the Southampton case was a mistake made by a police officer being misled by a criminal That is unacceptable, but I don't see a conspiracy.
It is two tier justice. You can call it something else but people have differing justice outcomes for the same crimes with reasons including their racial background. That is two tier justice. Our country is broken, Farage isn't the answer but neither is pretending that we treat people equally and all is fine. Keep doing that and the people who are on the wrong end of two tier justice will riot and justifiably.
What is the country coming to when you can't even storm a police station anymore?
Standards have slipped. One of Dickens's greatest and little read novels, Barnaby Rudge, covers the Gordon riots, which have been almost dismissed from our history. He uses a lot of eye witness sources. By today's dismal rioting standards they were quite something. Hundreds died.
(They were anti Catholic riots, inspired by Lord Gordon. There's always someone around to scapegoat.)
I've got a book upstairs somewhere written by a Tory MP thirty years ago or so called something like 'riots and mobs' - looking at the phenomenon in UK in 18 and 19th centuries. Plenty of it.
The Knee seems to have (finally) gone away now, but one lasting effect of the 2020 BLM protests has been that almost all TV adverts now feature mixed-race families.
People will say, "So what?" etc. - and I get that - but it might be playing into perceptions of immigration being much higher that it actually is on the one hand and, if it's too at odds with what people actually see around them and feels contrived, it can play into some people feeling there's another agenda at play.
They should probably vary it a bit more.
Can I ask a question right, how many mixed race families is too many? How many is too few?
It's not a real problem but it is something that has happened. It's not unlike the casting process on sat Great British Bake Off or Sewing Bee. You can guarantee there will be an Asian, a Black, at least two gay, the young one, the old etc. Because they are hitting the target audiences.
It was a genuine question. Are we saying we really want zero?
Or one every so often?
It’s a serious point, what is too many or too few? How many did there used to be?
If the aim was to reflect the population then there are far too many mixed race couples depicted. But that's not the aim. Each advert is crafted by someone like Roger to sell stuff and they have come to the conclusion that mixed race works...
Okay so as a serious question, how many did there used to be? Zero?
So are we saying that was too few? And so we’d rather have say one in every 10 adverts or something?
There was a time when there were no non whites at all. It's not about whether there is a right or wrong number but it is a thing that mixed race depiction in adverts is far more common than in the British population. No one is demanding a return to a 'better' time where no such mixed race couples ere shown. But it is a feature that is commented on.
Surely they are just trying to cover as many demographics as possible to sell stuff? Though I should declare an interest in this, I have a mixed race daughter with aspirations in the acting sphere, so the more mixed race families on telly the better as far as I am concerned! Sorry, racists.
Having had to cast a few videos and photoshoots in my time, the boring truth is that it's largely about maths.
Generally you want to avoid a visual that consists entirely of people all the same colour (a separate debate), so a mixed cast is the easiest way to tick the maximum number of boxes. Ideally, the proportions would broadly reflect the country as a whole... however, you're not normally casting that many people. Maybe four to six. Eight or more would be a large ensemble and quite unusual for any kind of 'domestic' setting.
And this means that people of colour - if they appear at all, which they generally will - are statistically bound to be overrepresented. It's not 'reverse racism', it's not some sort of Woke conspiracy, it's literally just numbers. If there's one black person in a cast of six people, they're 1/6th of the people shown, despite maybe representing only 5% of the total population.
This does mean that your career prospects as an actor or model are better if you're not white (and, therefore worse if you are), which is demonstrably unfair - but the reasoning behind it does make sense.
Maybe eventually there will be some movement for 'Proportional Representation' in casting, but I wouldn't hold out a whole lot of hope...
A few miscellaneous observations on the Novak case.
1. A small point, but what part of 'I choose not to watch a man dying' do media outlets fail to understand? It's really quite angered me that several mainstream channels covering this story think it's OK to use extended footage of this with zero warning. I can understand the arguments and be furious about the injustice without seeing the video, thanks anyway.
2. Everything that Farage says in his video is, in my opinion, true. It's a good debate for Reform, because it's not about a vision of ethnic purity, it's about equal application of the law. It is also highly incendiary. However, Farage is filling a vacuum left, once again, by Starmer, who should have been absolutely all over this, but hasn't touched it.
3. Reform's social media attacks on Kemi have been below the belt, but their misrepresentation of her statements are very similar to her own misrepresentation of Nigel's speech, where he also said that black lives matter.
Nowak's (correct spelling) dad didn't want his son's death to become a political / racism football and yet that is what Farage has made it in a desperate attempt to stay in news without being asked about his 5 million pound bribe.
So instead he's shitting upon a grieving family...
A few miscellaneous observations on the Novak case.
1. A small point, but what part of 'I choose not to watch a man dying' do media outlets fail to understand? It's really quite angered me that several mainstream channels covering this story think it's OK to use extended footage of this with zero warning. I can understand the arguments and be furious about the injustice without seeing the video, thanks anyway.
2. Everything that Farage says in his video is, in my opinion, true. It's a good debate for Reform, because it's not about a vision of ethnic purity, it's about equal application of the law. It is also highly incendiary. However, Farage is filling a vacuum left, once again, by Starmer, who should have been absolutely all over this, but hasn't touched it.
3. Reform's social media attacks on Kemi have been below the belt, but their misrepresentation of her statements are very similar to her own misrepresentation of Nigel's speech, where he also said that black lives matter.
Nowak's (correct spelling) dad didn't want his son's death to become a political / racism football and yet that is what Farage has made it in a desperate attempt to stay in news without being asked about his 5 million pound bribe.
So instead he's shitting upon a grieving family...
Society's response to an event like this cannot, sadly, be chosen by the grieving family.
The police would deserve it if the riots are true and sadly Farage is right about two tier justice.
Sorry Max but you are better than a post like that. Anyone else making that post would be racking up the flags.
We have two tier justice in this country. A judge just let off three teenage rapists on the basis that they're from gypsy backgrounds, a murderer was treated as a victim by the police while the true victim was arrested as he was slowly bleeding out from his stab wounds. These are two very recent injustices in this country and two clear examples of two tier justice.
Until we face up to the causes of people voting for Reform then Reform will continue to win and eventually Farage becomes PM which is an outcome I do not want to see. Simply denying the blatantly obvious and asking the public to not believe what they can see in front of them doesn't work.
The judicial system is not perfect, but "two tier justice" is a faux narrative from right wing politicians like Farage.
The flip side was that most of the criminals who allegedly murdered Stephen Lawrence weren't prosecuted because of wait for it, a faux narrative called two tier justice. Although in that instance the claim was on more solid ground.
I am convinced that the Southampton case was a mistake made by a police officer being misled by a criminal That is unacceptable, but I don't see a conspiracy.
Yes. They got it wrong, but they did several things that didn't need to happen too. No need for the handcuffs, a need to check his claims of being stabbed etc. Mistakes were made.
Yes, but was that because the policeman, now ex policeman had been trained to be an anti -white racist or was he just a shite ex policeman?
I would still prefer to stare down a copper as a white, heterosexual male than any other variety of human being.
Farage called for "cold hard rage", and this is what we get.
Trump is not a warning but an instruction manual for him and Reform increasingly apes MAGA. If he doesn't win the GE it will have been stolen by the liberal globalist uniparty elite and patriots will need to fight fight fight or they won't have a country anymore.
The idea of being indigenous is tricky anywhere. Humanity has seen waves of population migration since they left Africa and very often preexisting inhabitants get moved on or exterminated. Even places like NZ or Australia we cannot really be sure that the people we consider to be indigenous really are, and are not in fact usurpers.
In the UK? God knows. But until WW2 the country was overwhelmingly white.
The existence of the Basque language, unrelated to any other known tongue, suggests that all the Indo European languages, including all the Celtic ones are usurpers in western Europe.
Perhaps, but then who did the Basque wipe out? Neanderthals were here first!
It goes, if I remember correctly…
Neanderthals
… who were replaced by, and possibly wiped out by Homo sapiens, who we shall call in Western Europe the Western Hunter Gatherers (WHG)…
…. who were replaced by Neolithic farmers from Anatolia (and the Basque language may be a remnant of theirs, and may not)…
… who were replaced by the Beaker Culture, who developed into the Celts.
In England, the Celts are then largely replaced by Anglo-Saxons. In Scotland, there’s some replacement of Picts (probably Celts) by Scots (Celts from Ireland). In Iberia, the earlier Beaker culture descendants were replaced by different Celts from the east and north, and later the Romans.
Does that seem right?
Yep. And as discussed a while ago on PB we are all descended from the same people if you go back far enough, or have a common ancestor at least.
IIRC, at one point we nearly went extinct, so all modern humans are descendants of a rather small group.
The idea of being indigenous is tricky anywhere. Humanity has seen waves of population migration since they left Africa and very often preexisting inhabitants get moved on or exterminated. Even places like NZ or Australia we cannot really be sure that the people we consider to be indigenous really are, and are not in fact usurpers.
In the UK? God knows. But until WW2 the country was overwhelmingly white.
The existence of the Basque language, unrelated to any other known tongue, suggests that all the Indo European languages, including all the Celtic ones are usurpers in western Europe.
Perhaps, but then who did the Basque wipe out? Neanderthals were here first!
It goes, if I remember correctly…
Neanderthals
… who were replaced by, and possibly wiped out by Homo sapiens, who we shall call in Western Europe the Western Hunter Gatherers (WHG)…
…. who were replaced by Neolithic farmers from Anatolia (and the Basque language may be a remnant of theirs, and may not)…
… who were replaced by the Beaker Culture, who developed into the Celts.
In England, the Celts are then largely replaced by Anglo-Saxons. In Scotland, there’s some replacement of Picts (probably Celts) by Scots (Celts from Ireland). In Iberia, the earlier Beaker culture descendants were replaced by different Celts from the east and north, and later the Romans.
Does that seem right?
Yep. And as discussed a while ago on PB we are all descended from the same people if you go back far enough, or have a common ancestor at least.
IIRC, at one point we nearly went extinct, so all modern humans are descendants of a rather small group.
Every now and again I blow my mind by remembering that every single one of my ancestors was lucky enough to reproduce and have at least one offspring. Right back to the autotrophs.
A few miscellaneous observations on the Novak case.
1. A small point, but what part of 'I choose not to watch a man dying' do media outlets fail to understand? It's really quite angered me that several mainstream channels covering this story think it's OK to use extended footage of this with zero warning. I can understand the arguments and be furious about the injustice without seeing the video, thanks anyway.
2. Everything that Farage says in his video is, in my opinion, true. It's a good debate for Reform, because it's not about a vision of ethnic purity, it's about equal application of the law. It is also highly incendiary. However, Farage is filling a vacuum left, once again, by Starmer, who should have been absolutely all over this, but hasn't touched it.
3. Reform's social media attacks on Kemi have been below the belt, but their misrepresentation of her statements are very similar to her own misrepresentation of Nigel's speech, where he also said that black lives matter.
Nowak's (correct spelling) dad didn't want his son's death to become a political / racism football and yet that is what Farage has made it in a desperate attempt to stay in news without being asked about his 5 million pound bribe.
So instead he's shitting upon a grieving family...
Society's response to an event like this cannot, sadly, be chosen by the grieving family.
The idea of being indigenous is tricky anywhere. Humanity has seen waves of population migration since they left Africa and very often preexisting inhabitants get moved on or exterminated. Even places like NZ or Australia we cannot really be sure that the people we consider to be indigenous really are, and are not in fact usurpers.
In the UK? God knows. But until WW2 the country was overwhelmingly white.
The existence of the Basque language, unrelated to any other known tongue, suggests that all the Indo European languages, including all the Celtic ones are usurpers in western Europe.
Perhaps, but then who did the Basque wipe out? Neanderthals were here first!
It goes, if I remember correctly…
Neanderthals
… who were replaced by, and possibly wiped out by Homo sapiens, who we shall call in Western Europe the Western Hunter Gatherers (WHG)…
…. who were replaced by Neolithic farmers from Anatolia (and the Basque language may be a remnant of theirs, and may not)…
… who were replaced by the Beaker Culture, who developed into the Celts.
In England, the Celts are then largely replaced by Anglo-Saxons. In Scotland, there’s some replacement of Picts (probably Celts) by Scots (Celts from Ireland). In Iberia, the earlier Beaker culture descendants were replaced by different Celts from the east and north, and later the Romans.
Does that seem right?
Yep. And as discussed a while ago on PB we are all descended from the same people if you go back far enough, or have a common ancestor at least.
IIRC, at one point we nearly went extinct, so all modern humans are descendants of a rather small group.
Henry Nowak ought to be the main item on BBC News imo.
Unfortunately Andy, the news hasn't really been about the tragic, error laden false arrest of a dying teenager. The narrative has been hijacked by a gurning racist who couldn't give two hoots about the young lad, and certainly not his grieving family who indirectly pleaded with Farage to stfu.
Today has been all about bFarage and his racist political narrative stolen out of a tragedy.
A few miscellaneous observations on the Novak case.
1. A small point, but what part of 'I choose not to watch a man dying' do media outlets fail to understand? It's really quite angered me that several mainstream channels covering this story think it's OK to use extended footage of this with zero warning. I can understand the arguments and be furious about the injustice without seeing the video, thanks anyway.
2. Everything that Farage says in his video is, in my opinion, true. It's a good debate for Reform, because it's not about a vision of ethnic purity, it's about equal application of the law. It is also highly incendiary. However, Farage is filling a vacuum left, once again, by Starmer, who should have been absolutely all over this, but hasn't touched it.
3. Reform's social media attacks on Kemi have been below the belt, but their misrepresentation of her statements are very similar to her own misrepresentation of Nigel's speech, where he also said that black lives matter.
Starmer has talked repeatedly about the case and welcomed the IOPC investigation. Your claim that he “hasn’t touched it” seems unrelated to reality.
The idea of being indigenous is tricky anywhere. Humanity has seen waves of population migration since they left Africa and very often preexisting inhabitants get moved on or exterminated. Even places like NZ or Australia we cannot really be sure that the people we consider to be indigenous really are, and are not in fact usurpers.
In the UK? God knows. But until WW2 the country was overwhelmingly white.
The existence of the Basque language, unrelated to any other known tongue, suggests that all the Indo European languages, including all the Celtic ones are usurpers in western Europe.
Perhaps, but then who did the Basque wipe out? Neanderthals were here first!
It goes, if I remember correctly…
Neanderthals
… who were replaced by, and possibly wiped out by Homo sapiens, who we shall call in Western Europe the Western Hunter Gatherers (WHG)…
…. who were replaced by Neolithic farmers from Anatolia (and the Basque language may be a remnant of theirs, and may not)…
… who were replaced by the Beaker Culture, who developed into the Celts.
In England, the Celts are then largely replaced by Anglo-Saxons. In Scotland, there’s some replacement of Picts (probably Celts) by Scots (Celts from Ireland). In Iberia, the earlier Beaker culture descendants were replaced by different Celts from the east and north, and later the Romans.
Does that seem right?
Yep. And as discussed a while ago on PB we are all descended from the same people if you go back far enough, or have a common ancestor at least.
IIRC, at one point we nearly went extinct, so all modern humans are descendants of a rather small group.
Every now and again I blow my mind by remembering that every single one of my ancestors was lucky enough to reproduce and have at least one offspring. Right back to the autotrophs.
My family tree goes back to a phytoplankton called Gerald,
Henry Nowak ought to be the main item on BBC News imo.
Unfortunately Andy, the news hasn't really been about the tragic, error laden false arrest of a dying teenager. The narrative has been hijacked by a gurning racist who couldn't give two hoots about the young lad, and certainly not his grieving family who indirectly pleaded with Farage to stfu.
Today has been all about bFarage and his racist political narrative stolen out of a tragedy.
I'm not following events in Southampton but it's a bit presumptuous to be blaming it on Farage. There's any number of influencers out there. And what about Stand Up To Racism? I'm not sure their need to interfere in everything is exactly helping.
Farage called for 'public rage'. He's contributed directly to events tonight in Southampton, along with Tommy of course.
I'm not following events in Southampton but it's a bit presumptuous to be blaming it on Farage. There's any number of influencers out there. And what about Stand Up To Racism? I'm not sure their need to interfere in everything is exactly helping.
Farage called for 'public rage'. He's contributed directly to events tonight in Southampton, along with Tommy of course.
Two tier policing nothing to do with it, of course.
I'm not following events in Southampton but it's a bit presumptuous to be blaming it on Farage. There's any number of influencers out there. And what about Stand Up To Racism? I'm not sure their need to interfere in everything is exactly helping.
Farage called for 'public rage'. He's contributed directly to events tonight in Southampton, along with Tommy of course.
A few miscellaneous observations on the Novak case.
1. A small point, but what part of 'I choose not to watch a man dying' do media outlets fail to understand? It's really quite angered me that several mainstream channels covering this story think it's OK to use extended footage of this with zero warning. I can understand the arguments and be furious about the injustice without seeing the video, thanks anyway.
2. Everything that Farage says in his video is, in my opinion, true. It's a good debate for Reform, because it's not about a vision of ethnic purity, it's about equal application of the law. It is also highly incendiary. However, Farage is filling a vacuum left, once again, by Starmer, who should have been absolutely all over this, but hasn't touched it.
3. Reform's social media attacks on Kemi have been below the belt, but their misrepresentation of her statements are very similar to her own misrepresentation of Nigel's speech, where he also said that black lives matter.
Nowak's (correct spelling) dad didn't want his son's death to become a political / racism football and yet that is what Farage has made it in a desperate attempt to stay in news without being asked about his 5 million pound bribe.
So instead he's shitting upon a grieving family...
Society's response to an event like this cannot, sadly, be chosen by the grieving family.
By the loonies with pitchforks then? Why bother with police lets hang him from a lamp post?
A few miscellaneous observations on the Novak case.
1. A small point, but what part of 'I choose not to watch a man dying' do media outlets fail to understand? It's really quite angered me that several mainstream channels covering this story think it's OK to use extended footage of this with zero warning. I can understand the arguments and be furious about the injustice without seeing the video, thanks anyway.
2. Everything that Farage says in his video is, in my opinion, true. It's a good debate for Reform, because it's not about a vision of ethnic purity, it's about equal application of the law. It is also highly incendiary. However, Farage is filling a vacuum left, once again, by Starmer, who should have been absolutely all over this, but hasn't touched it.
3. Reform's social media attacks on Kemi have been below the belt, but their misrepresentation of her statements are very similar to her own misrepresentation of Nigel's speech, where he also said that black lives matter.
Nowak's (correct spelling) dad didn't want his son's death to become a political / racism football and yet that is what Farage has made it in a desperate attempt to stay in news without being asked about his 5 million pound bribe.
So instead he's shitting upon a grieving family...
Society's response to an event like this cannot, sadly, be chosen by the grieving family.
But it can be chosen by a duplicitous rabble-rouser whose lines are promoted heavily by an invested media?
Speaking of Neanderthals, I am reasonably sure I am descended from them. A little:
The first Neanderthal genome sequence was published in 2010, and strongly indicated interbreeding between Neanderthals and early modern humans.[39] Neanderthal-derived genes descend from at least 2 interbreeding episodes outside of Africa: one about 250,000 years ago and another 40,000 to 54,000 years ago. Interbreeding also occurred in other populations which are not ancestral to any living person.[176] An individual whose ancestry lies beyond sub-Saharan Africa may carry about 2% of Neanderthal DNA. Sub-Saharan Africans can carry Neanderthal DNA presumably descending from back migration (the interbreeding population having migrated back to Sub-Saharan Africa).[177] In all, approximately 20% of the Neanderthal genome appears to have survived in the modern human gene pool.[178] This Neanderthal DNA is derived primarily from the children of female modern humans and male Neanderthals.
I'm not following events in Southampton but it's a bit presumptuous to be blaming it on Farage. There's any number of influencers out there. And what about Stand Up To Racism? I'm not sure their need to interfere in everything is exactly helping.
Farage called for 'public rage'. He's contributed directly to events tonight in Southampton, along with Tommy of course.
Two tier policing nothing to do with it, of course.
I'm not following events in Southampton but it's a bit presumptuous to be blaming it on Farage. There's any number of influencers out there. And what about Stand Up To Racism? I'm not sure their need to interfere in everything is exactly helping.
Farage called for 'public rage'. He's contributed directly to events tonight in Southampton, along with Tommy of course.
Two tier policing nothing to do with it, of course.
The murderer has been convicted and been sent to prison for a very long time, rightly so. I don't see the two-tier here.
I'm not following events in Southampton but it's a bit presumptuous to be blaming it on Farage. There's any number of influencers out there. And what about Stand Up To Racism? I'm not sure their need to interfere in everything is exactly helping.
Farage called for 'public rage'. He's contributed directly to events tonight in Southampton, along with Tommy of course.
Two tier policing nothing to do with it, of course.
They can't accept it is, for better or worse, a bottom up movement. Much easier to believe a few puppet masters are behind it all.
A few miscellaneous observations on the Novak case.
1. A small point, but what part of 'I choose not to watch a man dying' do media outlets fail to understand? It's really quite angered me that several mainstream channels covering this story think it's OK to use extended footage of this with zero warning. I can understand the arguments and be furious about the injustice without seeing the video, thanks anyway.
2. Everything that Farage says in his video is, in my opinion, true. It's a good debate for Reform, because it's not about a vision of ethnic purity, it's about equal application of the law. It is also highly incendiary. However, Farage is filling a vacuum left, once again, by Starmer, who should have been absolutely all over this, but hasn't touched it.
3. Reform's social media attacks on Kemi have been below the belt, but their misrepresentation of her statements are very similar to her own misrepresentation of Nigel's speech, where he also said that black lives matter.
Starmer has talked repeatedly about the case and welcomed the IOPC investigation. Your claim that he “hasn’t touched it” seems unrelated to reality.
What Starmer has again failed to do is the political bit
A few miscellaneous observations on the Novak case.
1. A small point, but what part of 'I choose not to watch a man dying' do media outlets fail to understand? It's really quite angered me that several mainstream channels covering this story think it's OK to use extended footage of this with zero warning. I can understand the arguments and be furious about the injustice without seeing the video, thanks anyway.
2. Everything that Farage says in his video is, in my opinion, true. It's a good debate for Reform, because it's not about a vision of ethnic purity, it's about equal application of the law. It is also highly incendiary. However, Farage is filling a vacuum left, once again, by Starmer, who should have been absolutely all over this, but hasn't touched it.
3. Reform's social media attacks on Kemi have been below the belt, but their misrepresentation of her statements are very similar to her own misrepresentation of Nigel's speech, where he also said that black lives matter.
Starmer has talked repeatedly about the case and welcomed the IOPC investigation. Your claim that he “hasn’t touched it” seems unrelated to reality.
What Starmer has again failed to do is the political bit
A few miscellaneous observations on the Novak case.
1. A small point, but what part of 'I choose not to watch a man dying' do media outlets fail to understand? It's really quite angered me that several mainstream channels covering this story think it's OK to use extended footage of this with zero warning. I can understand the arguments and be furious about the injustice without seeing the video, thanks anyway.
2. Everything that Farage says in his video is, in my opinion, true. It's a good debate for Reform, because it's not about a vision of ethnic purity, it's about equal application of the law. It is also highly incendiary. However, Farage is filling a vacuum left, once again, by Starmer, who should have been absolutely all over this, but hasn't touched it.
3. Reform's social media attacks on Kemi have been below the belt, but their misrepresentation of her statements are very similar to her own misrepresentation of Nigel's speech, where he also said that black lives matter.
Starmer has talked repeatedly about the case and welcomed the IOPC investigation. Your claim that he “hasn’t touched it” seems unrelated to reality.
What Starmer has again failed to do is the political bit
ITS A TORY POLICY
Starmer is a Tory? Blimey!
You are Andy Burnham with a faux southern accent. £5 please.
A few miscellaneous observations on the Novak case.
1. A small point, but what part of 'I choose not to watch a man dying' do media outlets fail to understand? It's really quite angered me that several mainstream channels covering this story think it's OK to use extended footage of this with zero warning. I can understand the arguments and be furious about the injustice without seeing the video, thanks anyway.
2. Everything that Farage says in his video is, in my opinion, true. It's a good debate for Reform, because it's not about a vision of ethnic purity, it's about equal application of the law. It is also highly incendiary. However, Farage is filling a vacuum left, once again, by Starmer, who should have been absolutely all over this, but hasn't touched it.
3. Reform's social media attacks on Kemi have been below the belt, but their misrepresentation of her statements are very similar to her own misrepresentation of Nigel's speech, where he also said that black lives matter.
Nowak's (correct spelling) dad didn't want his son's death to become a political / racism football and yet that is what Farage has made it in a desperate attempt to stay in news without being asked about his 5 million pound bribe.
So instead he's shitting upon a grieving family...
Society's response to an event like this cannot, sadly, be chosen by the grieving family.
By the loonies with pitchforks then? Why bother with police lets hang him from a lamp post?
A few miscellaneous observations on the Novak case.
1. A small point, but what part of 'I choose not to watch a man dying' do media outlets fail to understand? It's really quite angered me that several mainstream channels covering this story think it's OK to use extended footage of this with zero warning. I can understand the arguments and be furious about the injustice without seeing the video, thanks anyway.
2. Everything that Farage says in his video is, in my opinion, true. It's a good debate for Reform, because it's not about a vision of ethnic purity, it's about equal application of the law. It is also highly incendiary. However, Farage is filling a vacuum left, once again, by Starmer, who should have been absolutely all over this, but hasn't touched it.
3. Reform's social media attacks on Kemi have been below the belt, but their misrepresentation of her statements are very similar to her own misrepresentation of Nigel's speech, where he also said that black lives matter.
Nowak's (correct spelling) dad didn't want his son's death to become a political / racism football and yet that is what Farage has made it in a desperate attempt to stay in news without being asked about his 5 million pound bribe.
So instead he's shitting upon a grieving family...
Society's response to an event like this cannot, sadly, be chosen by the grieving family.
But it can be chosen by a duplicitous rabble-rouser whose lines are promoted heavily by an invested media?
Epidemic of people reading something I didn't write this evening I see.
A few miscellaneous observations on the Novak case.
1. A small point, but what part of 'I choose not to watch a man dying' do media outlets fail to understand? It's really quite angered me that several mainstream channels covering this story think it's OK to use extended footage of this with zero warning. I can understand the arguments and be furious aon kit.out the injustice without seeing the video, thanks anyway.
2. Everything that Farage says in his video is, in my opinion, true. It's a good debate for Reform, because it's not about a vision of ethnic purity, it's about equal application of the law. It is also highly incendiary. However, Farage is filling a vacuum left, once again, by Starmer, who should have been absolutely all over this, but hasn't touched it.
3. Reform's social media attacks on Kemi have been below the belt, but their misrepresentation of her statements are very similar to her own misrepresentation of Nigel's speech, where he also said that black lives matter.
Starmer has talked repeatedly about the case and welcomed the IOPC investigation. Your claim that he “hasn’t touched it” seems unrelated to reality.
What Starmer has again failed to do is the political bit
ITS A TORY POLICY
Starmer is a Tory? Blimey!
You are Andy Burnham with a faux southern accent. £5 please.
Andy Burnham is just Starmer with mascara and a skimpy Everton kit.
Question Time from Makerfield on Thursday (not sure of the venue). Will feature Labour, Reform, Tory, LibDem and Green candidates. Not Restore as of yet.
If I was Restore or the Monster Raving Loony Party, I'd Sue.
Tories are lucky to be included based on polling…
If Kemi saves a deposit she'll be claiming a massive victory
Kemi did well this morning chasing down Farage's opportune racism, and then Philp somewhat spoiled it by the afternoon.
All you PB Tories* are laughing at the Labour front bench yet you still have Philp on the first team, team sheet
A few miscellaneous observations on the Novak case.
1. A small point, but what part of 'I choose not to watch a man dying' do media outlets fail to understand? It's really quite angered me that several mainstream channels covering this story think it's OK to use extended footage of this with zero warning. I can understand the arguments and be furious aon kit.out the injustice without seeing the video, thanks anyway.
2. Everything that Farage says in his video is, in my opinion, true. It's a good debate for Reform, because it's not about a vision of ethnic purity, it's about equal application of the law. It is also highly incendiary. However, Farage is filling a vacuum left, once again, by Starmer, who should have been absolutely all over this, but hasn't touched it.
3. Reform's social media attacks on Kemi have been below the belt, but their misrepresentation of her statements are very similar to her own misrepresentation of Nigel's speech, where he also said that black lives matter.
Starmer has talked repeatedly about the case and welcomed the IOPC investigation. Your claim that he “hasn’t touched it” seems unrelated to reality.
What Starmer has again failed to do is the political bit
ITS A TORY POLICY
Starmer is a Tory? Blimey!
You are Andy Burnham with a faux southern accent. £5 please.
Andy Burnham is just Starmer with mascara and a skimpy Everton kit.
And a way of speaking and acting like a normal human being.
Question Time from Makerfield on Thursday (not sure of the venue). Will feature Labour, Reform, Tory, LibDem and Green candidates. Not Restore as of yet.
If I was Restore or the Monster Raving Loony Party, I'd Sue.
Tories are lucky to be included based on polling…
If Kemi saves a deposit she'll be claiming a massive victory
Kemi did well this morning chasing down Farage's opportune racism, and then Philp somewhat spoiled it by the afternoon.
All you PB Tories* are laughing at the Labour front bench yet you still have Philp on the first team, team sheet
A few miscellaneous observations on the Novak case.
1. A small point, but what part of 'I choose not to watch a man dying' do media outlets fail to understand? It's really quite angered me that several mainstream channels covering this story think it's OK to use extended footage of this with zero warning. I can understand the arguments and be furious about the injustice without seeing the video, thanks anyway.
2. Everything that Farage says in his video is, in my opinion, true. It's a good debate for Reform, because it's not about a vision of ethnic purity, it's about equal application of the law. It is also highly incendiary. However, Farage is filling a vacuum left, once again, by Starmer, who should have been absolutely all over this, but hasn't touched it...
That's not true. Starmer has spoken about it, and his Home Secretary discussed it at length today, and went as far as it was possible to do without prejudicing the investigation of the police actions.
I'm not following events in Southampton but it's a bit presumptuous to be blaming it on Farage. There's any number of influencers out there. And what about Stand Up To Racism? I'm not sure their need to interfere in everything is exactly helping.
Farage called for 'public rage'. He's contributed directly to events tonight in Southampton, along with Tommy of course.
Two tier policing nothing to do with it, of course.
The murderer has been convicted and been sent to prison for a very long time, rightly so. I don't see the two-tier here.
You don't get it do you. It's the behaviour of the police that has so incensed people. From what we have seen you could hardly write a better script if wanting to confirm people's suspicions that the police are institutionally anti white and primarily concerned with placating minority groups. And totally fixated on anything 'racism'. It might not all be true but it is what people increasingly believe. They want a police force that keep order in the streets without fear or favour.
You may not like the Torygraph but Tim Stanley says something very telling at the end. That we have an elite who see themselves as colonial administrators who's main job is to keep the peace between different groups of people. More and more people seem to feel this this and resent what they see as a profound shift in how we are policed.
The Knee seems to have (finally) gone away now, but one lasting effect of the 2020 BLM protests has been that almost all TV adverts now feature mixed-race families.
People will say, "So what?" etc. - and I get that - but it might be playing into perceptions of immigration being much higher that it actually is on the one hand and, if it's too at odds with what people actually see around them and feels contrived, it can play into some people feeling there's another agenda at play.
They should probably vary it a bit more.
Can I ask a question right, how many mixed race families is too many? How many is too few?
Not more than 5% of families in this country will be mixed race (as a guess) and you'd expect adverts to generally reflect the population.
The idea of being indigenous is tricky anywhere. Humanity has seen waves of population migration since they left Africa and very often preexisting inhabitants get moved on or exterminated. Even places like NZ or Australia we cannot really be sure that the people we consider to be indigenous really are, and are not in fact usurpers.
In the UK? God knows. But until WW2 the country was overwhelmingly white.
The existence of the Basque language, unrelated to any other known tongue, suggests that all the Indo European languages, including all the Celtic ones are usurpers in western Europe.
Perhaps, but then who did the Basque wipe out? Neanderthals were here first!
It goes, if I remember correctly…
Neanderthals
… who were replaced by, and possibly wiped out by Homo sapiens, who we shall call in Western Europe the Western Hunter Gatherers (WHG)…
…. who were replaced by Neolithic farmers from Anatolia (and the Basque language may be a remnant of theirs, and may not)…
… who were replaced by the Beaker Culture, who developed into the Celts.
In England, the Celts are then largely replaced by Anglo-Saxons. In Scotland, there’s some replacement of Picts (probably Celts) by Scots (Celts from Ireland). In Iberia, the earlier Beaker culture descendants were replaced by different Celts from the east and north, and later the Romans.
Does that seem right?
Yep. And as discussed a while ago on PB we are all descended from the same people if you go back far enough, or have a common ancestor at least.
IIRC, at one point we nearly went extinct, so all modern humans are descendants of a rather small group.
Every now and again I blow my mind by remembering that every single one of my ancestors was lucky enough to reproduce and have at least one offspring. Right back to the autotrophs.
It's the same logic that makes me think it's likely that we may be the only intelligent life in the universe.
The Washington Post has doubts about "Equity" in college admissions:
One target of the social justice movement of the last decade was standardized testing. Because average scores on tests such as the SAT vary among race and income groups, the thinking went, the tests must drive inequality. The coronavirus pandemic gave opponents of testing an opportunity to try out test-free college admissions, which were supposed to be more “equitable.”
The result has been a predictably disastrous collapse in standards.
That’s the takeaway from an open letter signed by hundreds of faculty in math, science and engineering across the University of California’s campuses. The UC system eliminated its testing requirement in 2020. While some universities that dropped testing for admissions during the pandemic brought it back in recent years, the UC system has remained “test-blind.”
The Knee seems to have (finally) gone away now, but one lasting effect of the 2020 BLM protests has been that almost all TV adverts now feature mixed-race families.
People will say, "So what?" etc. - and I get that - but it might be playing into perceptions of immigration being much higher that it actually is on the one hand and, if it's too at odds with what people actually see around them and feels contrived, it can play into some people feeling there's another agenda at play.
They should probably vary it a bit more.
Can I ask a question right, how many mixed race families is too many? How many is too few?
Not more than 5% of families in this country will be mixed race (as a guess) and you'd expect adverts to generally reflect the population.
Two people of different skin tones allows you to cover 2 demographics in a single advert.
And it works if the number of people it successfully targets is greater than the number of racists the advert offends. Heck that probably doesn’t matter because the easily offended have probably been put off by a previous advert.
The idea of being indigenous is tricky anywhere. Humanity has seen waves of population migration since they left Africa and very often preexisting inhabitants get moved on or exterminated. Even places like NZ or Australia we cannot really be sure that the people we consider to be indigenous really are, and are not in fact usurpers.
In the UK? God knows. But until WW2 the country was overwhelmingly white.
The existence of the Basque language, unrelated to any other known tongue, suggests that all the Indo European languages, including all the Celtic ones are usurpers in western Europe.
Perhaps, but then who did the Basque wipe out? Neanderthals were here first!
It goes, if I remember correctly…
Neanderthals
… who were replaced by, and possibly wiped out by Homo sapiens, who we shall call in Western Europe the Western Hunter Gatherers (WHG)…
…. who were replaced by Neolithic farmers from Anatolia (and the Basque language may be a remnant of theirs, and may not)…
… who were replaced by the Beaker Culture, who developed into the Celts.
In England, the Celts are then largely replaced by Anglo-Saxons. In Scotland, there’s some replacement of Picts (probably Celts) by Scots (Celts from Ireland). In Iberia, the earlier Beaker culture descendants were replaced by different Celts from the east and north, and later the Romans.
Does that seem right?
Yep. And as discussed a while ago on PB we are all descended from the same people if you go back far enough, or have a common ancestor at least.
IIRC, at one point we nearly went extinct, so all modern humans are descendants of a rather small group.
Every now and again I blow my mind by remembering that every single one of my ancestors was lucky enough to reproduce and have at least one offspring. Right back to the autotrophs.
It's the same logic that makes me think it's likely that we may be the only intelligent life in the universe.
3,400 years ago was the global isopoint. Everyone alive today is descended from ALL of the global population in the fourteenth century BCE (Adam Rutherford 2020). I find this mind boggling and also brilliant. We ALL have ALL the same great great ... grand parents.
I'm not following events in Southampton but it's a bit presumptuous to be blaming it on Farage. There's any number of influencers out there. And what about Stand Up To Racism? I'm not sure their need to interfere in everything is exactly helping.
Farage called for 'public rage'. He's contributed directly to events tonight in Southampton, along with Tommy of course.
Two tier policing nothing to do with it, of course.
The murderer has been convicted and been sent to prison for a very long time, rightly so. I don't see the two-tier here.
You don't get it do you. It's the behaviour of the police that has so incensed people. From what we have seen you could hardly write a better script if wanting to confirm people's suspicions that the police are institutionally anti white and primarily concerned with placating minority groups. And totally fixated on anything 'racism'. It might not all be true but it is what people increasingly believe. They want a police force that keep order in the streets without fear or favour.
You may not like the Torygraph but Tim Stanley says something very telling at the end. That we have an elite who see themselves as colonial administrators who's main job is to keep the peace between different groups of people. More and more people seem to feel this this and resent what they see as a profound shift in how we are policed.
It links into a growing feeling that the authorities are not on the side of 'people like us'.
Britain is fast becoming a two-tier society. This divide is not Disraeli’s two nations, the rich and the poor. It is a division between those who are trying to do the right thing, following society’s official and unspoken rules, and those who see society and the state as an opportunity to be exploited, and who are deliberately gaming or evading the restraints.
The first group are feeling ground down by being regulated and penalised to an unprecedented degree by bureaucrats, who find them easy targets for monitoring or punishing because in principle they consent to being overseen for the greater good.
The second group are increasingly emboldened, enriched and out of control, left to scheming or lawlessness by a state that has become too weak, virtue signalling or misguided to effectively deter the devious, the greedy, the violent and the powerful — whether they are City money launderers, Covid profiteers, white-collar fraudsters, benefit scammers, criminal shop networks or street thugs.
All are tough to police or prevent because they deliberately opt out of social constraints. Overwhelmingly, officialdom prefers to scold and harry the compliant for minor transgressions rather than challenge those who decline to co-operate. This is a creeping corrosion. Every society has its criminals and exploiters but the question is how far social pressures, codes of conduct and deterrence hold them in check. Britain’s ability to do so is eroding.
I'm not following events in Southampton but it's a bit presumptuous to be blaming it on Farage. There's any number of influencers out there. And what about Stand Up To Racism? I'm not sure their need to interfere in everything is exactly helping.
Farage called for 'public rage'. He's contributed directly to events tonight in Southampton, along with Tommy of course.
Two tier policing nothing to do with it, of course.
The murderer has been convicted and been sent to prison for a very long time, rightly so. I don't see the two-tier here.
You don't get it do you. It's the behaviour of the police that has so incensed people. From what we have seen you could hardly write a better script if wanting to confirm people's suspicions that the police are institutionally anti white and primarily concerned with placating minority groups. And totally fixated on anything 'racism'. It might not all be true but it is what people increasingly believe. They want a police force that keep order in the streets without fear or favour.
You may not like the Torygraph but Tim Stanley says something very telling at the end. That we have an elite who see themselves as colonial administrators who's main job is to keep the peace between different groups of people. More and more people seem to feel this this and resent what they see as a profound shift in how we are policed.
It links into a growing feeling that the authorities are not on the side of 'people like us'.
Britain is fast becoming a two-tier society. This divide is not Disraeli’s two nations, the rich and the poor. It is a division between those who are trying to do the right thing, following society’s official and unspoken rules, and those who see society and the state as an opportunity to be exploited, and who are deliberately gaming or evading the restraints.
The first group are feeling ground down by being regulated and penalised to an unprecedented degree by bureaucrats, who find them easy targets for monitoring or punishing because in principle they consent to being overseen for the greater good.
The second group are increasingly emboldened, enriched and out of control, left to scheming or lawlessness by a state that has become too weak, virtue signalling or misguided to effectively deter the devious, the greedy, the violent and the powerful — whether they are City money launderers, Covid profiteers, white-collar fraudsters, benefit scammers, criminal shop networks or street thugs.
All are tough to police or prevent because they deliberately opt out of social constraints. Overwhelmingly, officialdom prefers to scold and harry the compliant for minor transgressions rather than challenge those who decline to co-operate. This is a creeping corrosion. Every society has its criminals and exploiters but the question is how far social pressures, codes of conduct and deterrence hold them in check. Britain’s ability to do so is eroding.
No matter the rights and wrongs of the Novak case what is happening now in Southampton is not helping anything.
It might give Rob the Plumber an advantage over Burnham. Very Trumpian from Farage.
Personally I can't see it. We already know the gender and age splits in Makerfield are quite astonishing. I can't image a mob of bald cokeheads storming Police stations playing well with women and the elderly.
I believe Burnham has a 20+ point lead with women
........and if that was before his interview with Chris Mason it's probably up to 80 by now
Has their been any suggestion that the Murrell collection be put on public display ?
It would surely be a major tourist attraction at V&A Dundee.
Alternatively the Burrell Collection could be an appropriate location with it being so near Sturgeon's old constituency - 'The Murrell at the Burrell'.
The idea of being indigenous is tricky anywhere. Humanity has seen waves of population migration since they left Africa and very often preexisting inhabitants get moved on or exterminated. Even places like NZ or Australia we cannot really be sure that the people we consider to be indigenous really are, and are not in fact usurpers.
In the UK? God knows. But until WW2 the country was overwhelmingly white.
The existence of the Basque language, unrelated to any other known tongue, suggests that all the Indo European languages, including all the Celtic ones are usurpers in western Europe.
Perhaps, but then who did the Basque wipe out? Neanderthals were here first!
It goes, if I remember correctly…
Neanderthals
… who were replaced by, and possibly wiped out by Homo sapiens, who we shall call in Western Europe the Western Hunter Gatherers (WHG)…
…. who were replaced by Neolithic farmers from Anatolia (and the Basque language may be a remnant of theirs, and may not)…
… who were replaced by the Beaker Culture, who developed into the Celts.
In England, the Celts are then largely replaced by Anglo-Saxons. In Scotland, there’s some replacement of Picts (probably Celts) by Scots (Celts from Ireland). In Iberia, the earlier Beaker culture descendants were replaced by different Celts from the east and north, and later the Romans.
Does that seem right?
Yep. And as discussed a while ago on PB we are all descended from the same people if you go back far enough, or have a common ancestor at least.
IIRC, at one point we nearly went extinct, so all modern humans are descendants of a rather small group.
Every now and again I blow my mind by remembering that every single one of my ancestors was lucky enough to reproduce and have at least one offspring. Right back to the autotrophs.
It's the same logic that makes me think it's likely that we may be the only intelligent life in the universe.
3,400 years ago was the global isopoint. Everyone alive today is descended from ALL of the global population in the fourteenth century BCE (Adam Rutherford 2020). I find this mind boggling and also brilliant. We ALL have ALL the same great great ... grand parents.
Just been googling to see if I can verify this from another source. Wikipedia refers to the Identical Ancestors Point and suggests we got to that point between 5000 and 15000 years ago.
I'm not following events in Southampton but it's a bit presumptuous to be blaming it on Farage. There's any number of influencers out there. And what about Stand Up To Racism? I'm not sure their need to interfere in everything is exactly helping.
Farage called for 'public rage'. He's contributed directly to events tonight in Southampton, along with Tommy of course.
Two tier policing nothing to do with it, of course.
The murderer has been convicted and been sent to prison for a very long time, rightly so. I don't see the two-tier here.
You don't get it do you. It's the behaviour of the police that has so incensed people. From what we have seen you could hardly write a better script if wanting to confirm people's suspicions that the police are institutionally anti white and primarily concerned with placating minority groups. And totally fixated on anything 'racism'. It might not all be true but it is what people increasingly believe. They want a police force that keep order in the streets without fear or favour.
You may not like the Torygraph but Tim Stanley says something very telling at the end. That we have an elite who see themselves as colonial administrators who's main job is to keep the peace between different groups of people. More and more people seem to feel this this and resent what they see as a profound shift in how we are policed.
It links into a growing feeling that the authorities are not on the side of 'people like us'.
Britain is fast becoming a two-tier society. This divide is not Disraeli’s two nations, the rich and the poor. It is a division between those who are trying to do the right thing, following society’s official and unspoken rules, and those who see society and the state as an opportunity to be exploited, and who are deliberately gaming or evading the restraints.
The first group are feeling ground down by being regulated and penalised to an unprecedented degree by bureaucrats, who find them easy targets for monitoring or punishing because in principle they consent to being overseen for the greater good.
The second group are increasingly emboldened, enriched and out of control, left to scheming or lawlessness by a state that has become too weak, virtue signalling or misguided to effectively deter the devious, the greedy, the violent and the powerful — whether they are City money launderers, Covid profiteers, white-collar fraudsters, benefit scammers, criminal shop networks or street thugs.
All are tough to police or prevent because they deliberately opt out of social constraints. Overwhelmingly, officialdom prefers to scold and harry the compliant for minor transgressions rather than challenge those who decline to co-operate. This is a creeping corrosion. Every society has its criminals and exploiters but the question is how far social pressures, codes of conduct and deterrence hold them in check. Britain’s ability to do so is eroding.
Has their been any suggestion that the Murrell collection be put on public display ?
It would surely be a major tourist attraction at V&A Dundee.
Alternatively the Burrell Collection could be an appropriate location with it being so near Sturgeon's old constituency - 'The Murrell at the Burrell'.
If only he'd had the eye of Burrell for significant works of art. Rather than hairdryers.
Has their been any suggestion that the Murrell collection be put on public display ?
It would surely be a major tourist attraction at V&A Dundee.
Alternatively the Burrell Collection could be an appropriate location with it being so near Sturgeon's old constituency - 'The Murrell at the Burrell'.
The idea of being indigenous is tricky anywhere. Humanity has seen waves of population migration since they left Africa and very often preexisting inhabitants get moved on or exterminated. Even places like NZ or Australia we cannot really be sure that the people we consider to be indigenous really are, and are not in fact usurpers.
In the UK? God knows. But until WW2 the country was overwhelmingly white.
The existence of the Basque language, unrelated to any other known tongue, suggests that all the Indo European languages, including all the Celtic ones are usurpers in western Europe.
Perhaps, but then who did the Basque wipe out? Neanderthals were here first!
It goes, if I remember correctly…
Neanderthals
… who were replaced by, and possibly wiped out by Homo sapiens, who we shall call in Western Europe the Western Hunter Gatherers (WHG)…
…. who were replaced by Neolithic farmers from Anatolia (and the Basque language may be a remnant of theirs, and may not)…
… who were replaced by the Beaker Culture, who developed into the Celts.
In England, the Celts are then largely replaced by Anglo-Saxons. In Scotland, there’s some replacement of Picts (probably Celts) by Scots (Celts from Ireland). In Iberia, the earlier Beaker culture descendants were replaced by different Celts from the east and north, and later the Romans.
Does that seem right?
Yep. And as discussed a while ago on PB we are all descended from the same people if you go back far enough, or have a common ancestor at least.
IIRC, at one point we nearly went extinct, so all modern humans are descendants of a rather small group.
Every now and again I blow my mind by remembering that every single one of my ancestors was lucky enough to reproduce and have at least one offspring. Right back to the autotrophs.
It's the same logic that makes me think it's likely that we may be the only intelligent life in the universe.
3,400 years ago was the global isopoint. Everyone alive today is descended from ALL of the global population in the fourteenth century BCE (Adam Rutherford 2020). I find this mind boggling and also brilliant. We ALL have ALL the same great great ... grand parents.
I don't think that's credible.
Are all my ancestors from 3400 years ago the same as those of someone in an isolated tribe in the Amazon that has been inbreeding ever since then? We haven't shared any ancestors in the last 500 years that I can see and before then I'm not sure how it would have happened.
Indigenous Australians were pretty isolated too, at least until around 1800. Is somebody in the middle of the outback from 1400 BC likely to be my ancestor in some way? I can see from my family tree that that hasn't happened since white settlement of Australia, and I don't see how it would have happened before then, without some extremely improbable circumstances.
The idea of being indigenous is tricky anywhere. Humanity has seen waves of population migration since they left Africa and very often preexisting inhabitants get moved on or exterminated. Even places like NZ or Australia we cannot really be sure that the people we consider to be indigenous really are, and are not in fact usurpers.
In the UK? God knows. But until WW2 the country was overwhelmingly white.
The existence of the Basque language, unrelated to any other known tongue, suggests that all the Indo European languages, including all the Celtic ones are usurpers in western Europe.
Perhaps, but then who did the Basque wipe out? Neanderthals were here first!
It goes, if I remember correctly…
Neanderthals
… who were replaced by, and possibly wiped out by Homo sapiens, who we shall call in Western Europe the Western Hunter Gatherers (WHG)…
…. who were replaced by Neolithic farmers from Anatolia (and the Basque language may be a remnant of theirs, and may not)…
… who were replaced by the Beaker Culture, who developed into the Celts.
In England, the Celts are then largely replaced by Anglo-Saxons. In Scotland, there’s some replacement of Picts (probably Celts) by Scots (Celts from Ireland). In Iberia, the earlier Beaker culture descendants were replaced by different Celts from the east and north, and later the Romans.
Does that seem right?
Yep. And as discussed a while ago on PB we are all descended from the same people if you go back far enough, or have a common ancestor at least.
IIRC, at one point we nearly went extinct, so all modern humans are descendants of a rather small group.
I'm not following events in Southampton but it's a bit presumptuous to be blaming it on Farage. There's any number of influencers out there. And what about Stand Up To Racism? I'm not sure their need to interfere in everything is exactly helping.
Farage called for 'public rage'. He's contributed directly to events tonight in Southampton, along with Tommy of course.
Two tier policing nothing to do with it, of course.
They can't accept it is, for better or worse, a bottom up movement. Much easier to believe a few puppet masters are behind it all.
Because that’s how the left-wing protest groups organise, top-down, they make the assumption that other groups of protestors organise in the same way.
A few miscellaneous observations on the Novak case.
1. A small point, but what part of 'I choose not to watch a man dying' do media outlets fail to understand? It's really quite angered me that several mainstream channels covering this story think it's OK to use extended footage of this with zero warning. I can understand the arguments and be furious about the injustice without seeing the video, thanks anyway.
2. Everything that Farage says in his video is, in my opinion, true. It's a good debate for Reform, because it's not about a vision of ethnic purity, it's about equal application of the law. It is also highly incendiary. However, Farage is filling a vacuum left, once again, by Starmer, who should have been absolutely all over this, but hasn't touched it.
3. Reform's social media attacks on Kemi have been below the belt, but their misrepresentation of her statements are very similar to her own misrepresentation of Nigel's speech, where he also said that black lives matter.
Nowak's (correct spelling) dad didn't want his son's death to become a political / racism football and yet that is what Farage has made it in a desperate attempt to stay in news without being asked about his 5 million pound bribe.
So instead he's shitting upon a grieving family...
Society's response to an event like this cannot, sadly, be chosen by the grieving family.
So at least we’re accepting there is such a thing as society now. In this case it’s not society’s response that’s being blamed but that from individuals, specifically Farage and Yusuf. I know much of the right has given up on personal responsibility, but I’m still very much in favour of it.
Today is the start of the St.Petersberg Economic Forum, where half of the Politbureau gather with a bunch of international guests to pontificate about the world from a Russian perspective.
Well the Ukranians thought they’d send a message of their own, to the St.Petersberg oil refinery!
The idea of being indigenous is tricky anywhere. Humanity has seen waves of population migration since they left Africa and very often preexisting inhabitants get moved on or exterminated. Even places like NZ or Australia we cannot really be sure that the people we consider to be indigenous really are, and are not in fact usurpers.
In the UK? God knows. But until WW2 the country was overwhelmingly white.
The existence of the Basque language, unrelated to any other known tongue, suggests that all the Indo European languages, including all the Celtic ones are usurpers in western Europe.
Perhaps, but then who did the Basque wipe out? Neanderthals were here first!
It goes, if I remember correctly…
Neanderthals
… who were replaced by, and possibly wiped out by Homo sapiens, who we shall call in Western Europe the Western Hunter Gatherers (WHG)…
…. who were replaced by Neolithic farmers from Anatolia (and the Basque language may be a remnant of theirs, and may not)…
… who were replaced by the Beaker Culture, who developed into the Celts.
In England, the Celts are then largely replaced by Anglo-Saxons. In Scotland, there’s some replacement of Picts (probably Celts) by Scots (Celts from Ireland). In Iberia, the earlier Beaker culture descendants were replaced by different Celts from the east and north, and later the Romans.
Does that seem right?
Yep. And as discussed a while ago on PB we are all descended from the same people if you go back far enough, or have a common ancestor at least.
IIRC, at one point we nearly went extinct, so all modern humans are descendants of a rather small group.
Adam and Eve?
Well I can Adam and Eve it.
If I recall rightly, the early applications of genome mapping the world's population produced the rather surprising result that we had remarkably few ancestors. Scientists had expected the exact opposite.
Not sure what this proves, if so, but kind of interesting.
I'm not following events in Southampton but it's a bit presumptuous to be blaming it on Farage. There's any number of influencers out there. And what about Stand Up To Racism? I'm not sure their need to interfere in everything is exactly helping.
Farage called for 'public rage'. He's contributed directly to events tonight in Southampton, along with Tommy of course.
Two tier policing nothing to do with it, of course.
The murderer has been convicted and been sent to prison for a very long time, rightly so. I don't see the two-tier here.
You don't get it do you. It's the behaviour of the police that has so incensed people. From what we have seen you could hardly write a better script if wanting to confirm people's suspicions that the police are institutionally anti white and primarily concerned with placating minority groups. And totally fixated on anything 'racism'. It might not all be true but it is what people increasingly believe. They want a police force that keep order in the streets without fear or favour.
You may not like the Torygraph but Tim Stanley says something very telling at the end. That we have an elite who see themselves as colonial administrators who's main job is to keep the peace between different groups of people. More and more people seem to feel this this and resent what they see as a profound shift in how we are policed.
It links into a growing feeling that the authorities are not on the side of 'people like us'.
Britain is fast becoming a two-tier society. This divide is not Disraeli’s two nations, the rich and the poor. It is a division between those who are trying to do the right thing, following society’s official and unspoken rules, and those who see society and the state as an opportunity to be exploited, and who are deliberately gaming or evading the restraints.
The first group are feeling ground down by being regulated and penalised to an unprecedented degree by bureaucrats, who find them easy targets for monitoring or punishing because in principle they consent to being overseen for the greater good.
The second group are increasingly emboldened, enriched and out of control, left to scheming or lawlessness by a state that has become too weak, virtue signalling or misguided to effectively deter the devious, the greedy, the violent and the powerful — whether they are City money launderers, Covid profiteers, white-collar fraudsters, benefit scammers, criminal shop networks or street thugs.
All are tough to police or prevent because they deliberately opt out of social constraints. Overwhelmingly, officialdom prefers to scold and harry the compliant for minor transgressions rather than challenge those who decline to co-operate. This is a creeping corrosion. Every society has its criminals and exploiters but the question is how far social pressures, codes of conduct and deterrence hold them in check. Britain’s ability to do so is eroding.
The particular Sikh ceremonial Knife has been a bone of contention for decades. It is not a new issue.
In 1996 I was managing a Department in a Mortgage Centre, about 400 people. One day in the Staff Canteen a very amiable hard working Sikh got out his little ceremonial knife and showed it to some of his work colleagues. One guy out of 400 decided this was an HR issue and demanded he be saced for bringin a knife to work. Of course HR got involved and various discussions were held. It was ultimately deemed that the knife was permissible unless it was used in a threatening way.
The bloke who complained, who had right wing leanings would not let it rest. Having explored and closed all HR issues he came in to work one day with a ceremonial Gurkah knife his dad had on the Lounge wall. He was as you would expect stopped by the key card security team, denied entry and referred to HR. He was suspended from work for 7 days. It was treated as an employee clearly breaking HR rules. He repeated the act on the 8th day. He was subsequently dismissed, went to tribunal and lost.
A very different case and a very different scenario but very much proof that the law has always allowed a specific piece of Sikh ceremonial apparel. This was at a time of tensions between the Hindu and Sikh communities in the West Midlands, the Muslim and Hindu and Sikh communities and the Afro Caribbean and Asian Communities. The Far Right wasnt particularly mobilised thank god as they are now.
This is a disgusting incident, an incident where body cam footage has evidenced a clear problem. If ALL politicians adopted the tone it was a problem and it needed solving going forwards it could be.
Sadly we have Farage and Robinson seeing it as an opportunity to riot, Badenoch once again totally denying her responsibilities by refusing to acknowledge it is her law that is being challenged and stoking the flames and the incumbent government stuck between a rock and a hard place. We are is an era where politicians have NO COLLECTIVE responsibility other than factionalisation , agitation and division and that is a terrifying position to be in.
The idea of being indigenous is tricky anywhere. Humanity has seen waves of population migration since they left Africa and very often preexisting inhabitants get moved on or exterminated. Even places like NZ or Australia we cannot really be sure that the people we consider to be indigenous really are, and are not in fact usurpers.
In the UK? God knows. But until WW2 the country was overwhelmingly white.
The existence of the Basque language, unrelated to any other known tongue, suggests that all the Indo European languages, including all the Celtic ones are usurpers in western Europe.
Perhaps, but then who did the Basque wipe out? Neanderthals were here first!
It goes, if I remember correctly…
Neanderthals
… who were replaced by, and possibly wiped out by Homo sapiens, who we shall call in Western Europe the Western Hunter Gatherers (WHG)…
…. who were replaced by Neolithic farmers from Anatolia (and the Basque language may be a remnant of theirs, and may not)…
… who were replaced by the Beaker Culture, who developed into the Celts.
In England, the Celts are then largely replaced by Anglo-Saxons. In Scotland, there’s some replacement of Picts (probably Celts) by Scots (Celts from Ireland). In Iberia, the earlier Beaker culture descendants were replaced by different Celts from the east and north, and later the Romans.
Does that seem right?
Yep. And as discussed a while ago on PB we are all descended from the same people if you go back far enough, or have a common ancestor at least.
IIRC, at one point we nearly went extinct, so all modern humans are descendants of a rather small group.
Every now and again I blow my mind by remembering that every single one of my ancestors was lucky enough to reproduce and have at least one offspring. Right back to the autotrophs.
My family tree goes back to a phytoplankton called Gerald,
And you’ve still got some evolutionary catching up to do, down there in the West Country?
I see there’s now a Reform Friend’s of Israel group (based in Israel), can only be a matter of time before Restore FoI is birthed. Lots of money swilling about for that kind of thing.
Delighted to launch the official X account of Reform Friends of Israel. Follow for updates as we launch this exciting platform to promote the UK-Israel relationship with Reform UK leaders and members.
The idea of being indigenous is tricky anywhere. Humanity has seen waves of population migration since they left Africa and very often preexisting inhabitants get moved on or exterminated. Even places like NZ or Australia we cannot really be sure that the people we consider to be indigenous really are, and are not in fact usurpers.
In the UK? God knows. But until WW2 the country was overwhelmingly white.
The existence of the Basque language, unrelated to any other known tongue, suggests that all the Indo European languages, including all the Celtic ones are usurpers in western Europe.
Perhaps, but then who did the Basque wipe out? Neanderthals were here first!
It goes, if I remember correctly…
Neanderthals
… who were replaced by, and possibly wiped out by Homo sapiens, who we shall call in Western Europe the Western Hunter Gatherers (WHG)…
…. who were replaced by Neolithic farmers from Anatolia (and the Basque language may be a remnant of theirs, and may not)…
… who were replaced by the Beaker Culture, who developed into the Celts.
In England, the Celts are then largely replaced by Anglo-Saxons. In Scotland, there’s some replacement of Picts (probably Celts) by Scots (Celts from Ireland). In Iberia, the earlier Beaker culture descendants were replaced by different Celts from the east and north, and later the Romans.
Does that seem right?
Yep. And as discussed a while ago on PB we are all descended from the same people if you go back far enough, or have a common ancestor at least.
IIRC, at one point we nearly went extinct, so all modern humans are descendants of a rather small group.
Every now and again I blow my mind by remembering that every single one of my ancestors was lucky enough to reproduce and have at least one offspring. Right back to the autotrophs.
It's the same logic that makes me think it's likely that we may be the only intelligent life in the universe.
Around right now, would be a more credible hypothesis? Asserting that for all of time would be less credible, given that your argument rests upon the risks of being wiped out rather than the chances of starting out.
The idea of being indigenous is tricky anywhere. Humanity has seen waves of population migration since they left Africa and very often preexisting inhabitants get moved on or exterminated. Even places like NZ or Australia we cannot really be sure that the people we consider to be indigenous really are, and are not in fact usurpers.
In the UK? God knows. But until WW2 the country was overwhelmingly white.
The existence of the Basque language, unrelated to any other known tongue, suggests that all the Indo European languages, including all the Celtic ones are usurpers in western Europe.
Perhaps, but then who did the Basque wipe out? Neanderthals were here first!
It goes, if I remember correctly…
Neanderthals
… who were replaced by, and possibly wiped out by Homo sapiens, who we shall call in Western Europe the Western Hunter Gatherers (WHG)…
…. who were replaced by Neolithic farmers from Anatolia (and the Basque language may be a remnant of theirs, and may not)…
… who were replaced by the Beaker Culture, who developed into the Celts.
In England, the Celts are then largely replaced by Anglo-Saxons. In Scotland, there’s some replacement of Picts (probably Celts) by Scots (Celts from Ireland). In Iberia, the earlier Beaker culture descendants were replaced by different Celts from the east and north, and later the Romans.
Does that seem right?
Yep. And as discussed a while ago on PB we are all descended from the same people if you go back far enough, or have a common ancestor at least.
IIRC, at one point we nearly went extinct, so all modern humans are descendants of a rather small group.
Adam and Eve?
In essence yes even though they lived hundreds of thousands of years apart. This discussion is swimming in really deep waters. Any one of us could be quoted totally out of context from this thread in ten years time by some over promoted bimba. There is a problem with academic research in this area, no sane post-grad would touch it as a subject end of. But why do some people successfully mate and what are the consequences ? We probably have more raw data in England than anywhere else although they have a lot in France.
My only conclusion I am prepared to offer, which is controversial in itself is that "female good looks" are not inherited. That must be so, look at Royalty and even Gentry. By the nature of things if you were so much more powerful that other men then you got the chance, almost of right to mate with the "fairest in the land". Repeat for 2,000 years, so why aren't the Mountbatten Windsors so much better looking than the rest of us ? My dad came out with that one at a Tup Sale. Basically, he was saying those who were paying 10,000 guineas for a tup because it had a better face than another one were wasting their brass !
The idea of being indigenous is tricky anywhere. Humanity has seen waves of population migration since they left Africa and very often preexisting inhabitants get moved on or exterminated. Even places like NZ or Australia we cannot really be sure that the people we consider to be indigenous really are, and are not in fact usurpers.
In the UK? God knows. But until WW2 the country was overwhelmingly white.
The existence of the Basque language, unrelated to any other known tongue, suggests that all the Indo European languages, including all the Celtic ones are usurpers in western Europe.
Perhaps, but then who did the Basque wipe out? Neanderthals were here first!
It goes, if I remember correctly…
Neanderthals
… who were replaced by, and possibly wiped out by Homo sapiens, who we shall call in Western Europe the Western Hunter Gatherers (WHG)…
…. who were replaced by Neolithic farmers from Anatolia (and the Basque language may be a remnant of theirs, and may not)…
… who were replaced by the Beaker Culture, who developed into the Celts.
In England, the Celts are then largely replaced by Anglo-Saxons. In Scotland, there’s some replacement of Picts (probably Celts) by Scots (Celts from Ireland). In Iberia, the earlier Beaker culture descendants were replaced by different Celts from the east and north, and later the Romans.
Does that seem right?
Yep. And as discussed a while ago on PB we are all descended from the same people if you go back far enough, or have a common ancestor at least.
IIRC, at one point we nearly went extinct, so all modern humans are descendants of a rather small group.
Every now and again I blow my mind by remembering that every single one of my ancestors was lucky enough to reproduce and have at least one offspring. Right back to the autotrophs.
It's the same logic that makes me think it's likely that we may be the only intelligent life in the universe.
3,400 years ago was the global isopoint. Everyone alive today is descended from ALL of the global population in the fourteenth century BCE (Adam Rutherford 2020). I find this mind boggling and also brilliant. We ALL have ALL the same great great ... grand parents.
I don't think that's credible.
Are all my ancestors from 3400 years ago the same as those of someone in an isolated tribe in the Amazon that has been inbreeding ever since then? We haven't shared any ancestors in the last 500 years that I can see and before then I'm not sure how it would have happened.
Indigenous Australians were pretty isolated too, at least until around 1800. Is somebody in the middle of the outback from 1400 BC likely to be my ancestor in some way? I can see from my family tree that that hasn't happened since white settlement of Australia, and I don't see how it would have happened before then, without some extremely improbable circumstances.
Yes. Both modelling and DNA evidence have established that just one person crossing the Bering Straight every generation was sufficient to give native Americans across North America some Indo-European DNA. It’s a spin off of that maths that our Leon proved totally incapable of accepting. It’s because we cannot comprehend the power of exponential compounding once we get beyond the first few steps - variants include that you can’t fold a piece of paper more than six times, and if you got given a penny and then double that amount and then double again, for as many times as there are squares on a chessboard, you’d be very rich indeed.
A few miscellaneous observations on the Novak case.
1. A small point, but what part of 'I choose not to watch a man dying' do media outlets fail to understand? It's really quite angered me that several mainstream channels covering this story think it's OK to use extended footage of this with zero warning. I can understand the arguments and be furious about the injustice without seeing the video, thanks anyway.
2. Everything that Farage says in his video is, in my opinion, true. It's a good debate for Reform, because it's not about a vision of ethnic purity, it's about equal application of the law. It is also highly incendiary. However, Farage is filling a vacuum left, once again, by Starmer, who should have been absolutely all over this, but hasn't touched it.
3. Reform's social media attacks on Kemi have been below the belt, but their misrepresentation of her statements are very similar to her own misrepresentation of Nigel's speech, where he also said that black lives matter.
Starmer has talked repeatedly about the case and welcomed the IOPC investigation. Your claim that he “hasn’t touched it” seems unrelated to reality.
That is a ludicrous assertion. He was silent on the case, including at PMQs (where he chose to mention George Floyd being killed in the USA) until he faced significant criticism from Reform and the Tories. His public statements on the matter have all come in response to questions or other interventions, and have been totally passive rather than given any assurance that action will be taken to prevent any future recurrence.
The idea of being indigenous is tricky anywhere. Humanity has seen waves of population migration since they left Africa and very often preexisting inhabitants get moved on or exterminated. Even places like NZ or Australia we cannot really be sure that the people we consider to be indigenous really are, and are not in fact usurpers.
In the UK? God knows. But until WW2 the country was overwhelmingly white.
The existence of the Basque language, unrelated to any other known tongue, suggests that all the Indo European languages, including all the Celtic ones are usurpers in western Europe.
Perhaps, but then who did the Basque wipe out? Neanderthals were here first!
It goes, if I remember correctly…
Neanderthals
… who were replaced by, and possibly wiped out by Homo sapiens, who we shall call in Western Europe the Western Hunter Gatherers (WHG)…
…. who were replaced by Neolithic farmers from Anatolia (and the Basque language may be a remnant of theirs, and may not)…
… who were replaced by the Beaker Culture, who developed into the Celts.
In England, the Celts are then largely replaced by Anglo-Saxons. In Scotland, there’s some replacement of Picts (probably Celts) by Scots (Celts from Ireland). In Iberia, the earlier Beaker culture descendants were replaced by different Celts from the east and north, and later the Romans.
Does that seem right?
Yep. And as discussed a while ago on PB we are all descended from the same people if you go back far enough, or have a common ancestor at least.
IIRC, at one point we nearly went extinct, so all modern humans are descendants of a rather small group.
Every now and again I blow my mind by remembering that every single one of my ancestors was lucky enough to reproduce and have at least one offspring. Right back to the autotrophs.
It's the same logic that makes me think it's likely that we may be the only intelligent life in the universe.
3,400 years ago was the global isopoint. Everyone alive today is descended from ALL of the global population in the fourteenth century BCE (Adam Rutherford 2020). I find this mind boggling and also brilliant. We ALL have ALL the same great great ... grand parents.
I don't think that's credible.
Are all my ancestors from 3400 years ago the same as those of someone in an isolated tribe in the Amazon that has been inbreeding ever since then? We haven't shared any ancestors in the last 500 years that I can see and before then I'm not sure how it would have happened.
Indigenous Australians were pretty isolated too, at least until around 1800. Is somebody in the middle of the outback from 1400 BC likely to be my ancestor in some way? I can see from my family tree that that hasn't happened since white settlement of Australia, and I don't see how it would have happened before then, without some extremely improbable circumstances.
Yes. Both modelling and DNA evidence have established that just one person crossing the Bering Straight every generation was sufficient to give native Americans across North America some Indo-European DNA. It’s a spin off of that maths that our Leon proved totally incapable of accepting. It’s because we cannot comprehend the power of exponential compounding once we get beyond the first few steps - variants include that you can’t fold a piece of paper more than six times, and if you got given a penny and then double that amount and then double again, for as many times as there are squares on a chessboard, you’d be very rich indeed.
Just one person crossing and breeding and their offspring surviving and breeding . . .
. . . and the crossings would need to go both directions.
The idea of being indigenous is tricky anywhere. Humanity has seen waves of population migration since they left Africa and very often preexisting inhabitants get moved on or exterminated. Even places like NZ or Australia we cannot really be sure that the people we consider to be indigenous really are, and are not in fact usurpers.
In the UK? God knows. But until WW2 the country was overwhelmingly white.
The existence of the Basque language, unrelated to any other known tongue, suggests that all the Indo European languages, including all the Celtic ones are usurpers in western Europe.
Perhaps, but then who did the Basque wipe out? Neanderthals were here first!
It goes, if I remember correctly…
Neanderthals
… who were replaced by, and possibly wiped out by Homo sapiens, who we shall call in Western Europe the Western Hunter Gatherers (WHG)…
…. who were replaced by Neolithic farmers from Anatolia (and the Basque language may be a remnant of theirs, and may not)…
… who were replaced by the Beaker Culture, who developed into the Celts.
In England, the Celts are then largely replaced by Anglo-Saxons. In Scotland, there’s some replacement of Picts (probably Celts) by Scots (Celts from Ireland). In Iberia, the earlier Beaker culture descendants were replaced by different Celts from the east and north, and later the Romans.
Does that seem right?
Yep. And as discussed a while ago on PB we are all descended from the same people if you go back far enough, or have a common ancestor at least.
IIRC, at one point we nearly went extinct, so all modern humans are descendants of a rather small group.
Every now and again I blow my mind by remembering that every single one of my ancestors was lucky enough to reproduce and have at least one offspring. Right back to the autotrophs.
It's the same logic that makes me think it's likely that we may be the only intelligent life in the universe.
3,400 years ago was the global isopoint. Everyone alive today is descended from ALL of the global population in the fourteenth century BCE (Adam Rutherford 2020). I find this mind boggling and also brilliant. We ALL have ALL the same great great ... grand parents.
I don't think that's credible.
Are all my ancestors from 3400 years ago the same as those of someone in an isolated tribe in the Amazon that has been inbreeding ever since then? We haven't shared any ancestors in the last 500 years that I can see and before then I'm not sure how it would have happened.
Indigenous Australians were pretty isolated too, at least until around 1800. Is somebody in the middle of the outback from 1400 BC likely to be my ancestor in some way? I can see from my family tree that that hasn't happened since white settlement of Australia, and I don't see how it would have happened before then, without some extremely improbable circumstances.
Yes. Both modelling and DNA evidence have established that just one person crossing the Bering Straight every generation was sufficient to give native Americans across North America some Indo-European DNA. It’s a spin off of that maths that our Leon proved totally incapable of accepting. It’s because we cannot comprehend the power of exponential compounding once we get beyond the first few steps - variants include that you can’t fold a piece of paper more than six times, and if you got given a penny and then double that amount and then double again, for as many times as there are squares on a chessboard, you’d be very rich indeed.
Just one person crossing and breeding and their offspring surviving and breeding . . .
. . . and the crossings would need to go both directions.
The point is that the degree of intermixing that is needed to maintain a stable (evolving together might be a better way of putting it) species is a tiny fraction of what we might imagine, because we cannot imagine the logic that determines that every one of us will be descended from Rollo (and every other historical figure - who had surviving descendants- of more than a millennia ago) through not just one but many multiple chains through our ancestors. If Rollo had been an alien dropped in from outer space, just that single entry would have given us all some alien DNA.
Ukranian reconnaissance drone flying over St.Petersberg city centre, demonstrating to the attendees of the SPEIF that the city has precisely no serviceable air defences. LOL.
It is at least interesting that Yaxley-Lennon and Farage and others are now treating a British-Pole as "white". Obviously they are entirely cynical, are playing the US white nationalist "racism against white people" meme and are weaponising this for their own political gain - which is not a surprise in any way, as that is how they do politics.
I'd say they are both trying to create a summer of rioting, just as per last time. Farage is in a Trump-like mess for things he does not want anyone to notice, and needs distractions.
I'd be quite interested to know what Rupert Lowe's expulsion policy says about members of the murder victims family.
I'm not following events in Southampton but it's a bit presumptuous to be blaming it on Farage. There's any number of influencers out there. And what about Stand Up To Racism? I'm not sure their need to interfere in everything is exactly helping.
Farage called for 'public rage'. He's contributed directly to events tonight in Southampton, along with Tommy of course.
Two tier policing nothing to do with it, of course.
They can't accept it is, for better or worse, a bottom up movement. Much easier to believe a few puppet masters are behind it all.
Analyses of social media related to previous incidents have often shown that a small number of accounts drive the narrative and the action. In other words, it’s not really a bottom up movement.
A few miscellaneous observations on the Novak case.
1. A small point, but what part of 'I choose not to watch a man dying' do media outlets fail to understand? It's really quite angered me that several mainstream channels covering this story think it's OK to use extended footage of this with zero warning. I can understand the arguments and be furious about the injustice without seeing the video, thanks anyway.
2. Everything that Farage says in his video is, in my opinion, true. It's a good debate for Reform, because it's not about a vision of ethnic purity, it's about equal application of the law. It is also highly incendiary. However, Farage is filling a vacuum left, once again, by Starmer, who should have been absolutely all over this, but hasn't touched it.
3. Reform's social media attacks on Kemi have been below the belt, but their misrepresentation of her statements are very similar to her own misrepresentation of Nigel's speech, where he also said that black lives matter.
Nowak's (correct spelling) dad didn't want his son's death to become a political / racism football and yet that is what Farage has made it in a desperate attempt to stay in news without being asked about his 5 million pound bribe.
So instead he's shitting upon a grieving family...
Society's response to an event like this cannot, sadly, be chosen by the grieving family.
So at least we’re accepting there is such a thing as society now. In this case it’s not society’s response that’s being blamed but that from individuals, specifically Farage and Yusuf. I know much of the right has given up on personal responsibility, but I’m still very much in favour of it.
Two things can be true at the same time.
If the roles were reversed, there'd be a different reaction, and Farage is also inflaming it.
A few miscellaneous observations on the Novak case.
1. A small point, but what part of 'I choose not to watch a man dying' do media outlets fail to understand? It's really quite angered me that several mainstream channels covering this story think it's OK to use extended footage of this with zero warning. I can understand the arguments and be furious about the injustice without seeing the video, thanks anyway.
2. Everything that Farage says in his video is, in my opinion, true. It's a good debate for Reform, because it's not about a vision of ethnic purity, it's about equal application of the law. It is also highly incendiary. However, Farage is filling a vacuum left, once again, by Starmer, who should have been absolutely all over this, but hasn't touched it.
3. Reform's social media attacks on Kemi have been below the belt, but their misrepresentation of her statements are very similar to her own misrepresentation of Nigel's speech, where he also said that black lives matter.
Starmer has talked repeatedly about the case and welcomed the IOPC investigation. Your claim that he “hasn’t touched it” seems unrelated to reality.
That is a ludicrous assertion. He was silent on the case, including at PMQs (where he chose to mention George Floyd being killed in the USA) until he faced significant criticism from Reform and the Tories. His public statements on the matter have all come in response to questions or other interventions, and have been totally passive rather than given any assurance that action will be taken to prevent any future recurrence.
That's Starmer. He reacts. He doesn't lead.
And if his reaction doesn't land right, then he reacts again - differently.
I'm not following events in Southampton but it's a bit presumptuous to be blaming it on Farage. There's any number of influencers out there. And what about Stand Up To Racism? I'm not sure their need to interfere in everything is exactly helping.
Farage called for 'public rage'. He's contributed directly to events tonight in Southampton, along with Tommy of course.
Two tier policing nothing to do with it, of course.
The murderer has been convicted and been sent to prison for a very long time, rightly so. I don't see the two-tier here.
You don't get it do you. It's the behaviour of the police that has so incensed people. From what we have seen you could hardly write a better script if wanting to confirm people's suspicions that the police are institutionally anti white and primarily concerned with placating minority groups. And totally fixated on anything 'racism'. It might not all be true but it is what people increasingly believe. They want a police force that keep order in the streets without fear or favour.
You may not like the Torygraph but Tim Stanley says something very telling at the end. That we have an elite who see themselves as colonial administrators who's main job is to keep the peace between different groups of people. More and more people seem to feel this this and resent what they see as a profound shift in how we are policed.
“It might not all be true”: indeed, and isn’t that an important point? Farage, Robinson etc. are distorting events to inflame the situation. Social media spreads falsehoods, Shouldn’t the response be to get the truth out there?
The Trump administration is using public money to do in Europe what it condemns Soros for doing.
Though for rather less savoury causes.
https://x.com/eeldenden/status/2061810693830029613 ... It has begun. The US State Department is about to fund Russophile parties across Europe. The implementation of the White House new Security Strategy..
One contrasting note is that Trump has been publicly supporting the Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan in the upcoming Armenian Elections, which is curious as the PM is pro-EU.
Possible reasons are Trump frustration with Putin, or family and friends business deals with Armenia.
The idea of being indigenous is tricky anywhere. Humanity has seen waves of population migration since they left Africa and very often preexisting inhabitants get moved on or exterminated. Even places like NZ or Australia we cannot really be sure that the people we consider to be indigenous really are, and are not in fact usurpers.
In the UK? God knows. But until WW2 the country was overwhelmingly white.
The existence of the Basque language, unrelated to any other known tongue, suggests that all the Indo European languages, including all the Celtic ones are usurpers in western Europe.
Perhaps, but then who did the Basque wipe out? Neanderthals were here first!
It goes, if I remember correctly…
Neanderthals
… who were replaced by, and possibly wiped out by Homo sapiens, who we shall call in Western Europe the Western Hunter Gatherers (WHG)…
…. who were replaced by Neolithic farmers from Anatolia (and the Basque language may be a remnant of theirs, and may not)…
… who were replaced by the Beaker Culture, who developed into the Celts.
In England, the Celts are then largely replaced by Anglo-Saxons. In Scotland, there’s some replacement of Picts (probably Celts) by Scots (Celts from Ireland). In Iberia, the earlier Beaker culture descendants were replaced by different Celts from the east and north, and later the Romans.
Does that seem right?
Yep. And as discussed a while ago on PB we are all descended from the same people if you go back far enough, or have a common ancestor at least.
IIRC, at one point we nearly went extinct, so all modern humans are descendants of a rather small group.
Adam and Eve?
In essence yes even though they lived hundreds of thousands of years apart. This discussion is swimming in really deep waters. Any one of us could be quoted totally out of context from this thread in ten years time by some over promoted bimba. There is a problem with academic research in this area, no sane post-grad would touch it as a subject end of. But why do some people successfully mate and what are the consequences ? We probably have more raw data in England than anywhere else although they have a lot in France.
My only conclusion I am prepared to offer, which is controversial in itself is that "female good looks" are not inherited. That must be so, look at Royalty and even Gentry. By the nature of things if you were so much more powerful that other men then you got the chance, almost of right to mate with the "fairest in the land". Repeat for 2,000 years, so why aren't the Mountbatten Windsors so much better looking than the rest of us ? My dad came out with that one at a Tup Sale. Basically, he was saying those who were paying 10,000 guineas for a tup because it had a better face than another one were wasting their brass !
In the case of Royalty, up until very recently most marriages were political.
That said, George VI, Elizabeth II and Prince William were all very good looking in their youth.
It is at least interesting that Yaxley-Lennon and Farage and others are now treating a British-Pole as "white". Obviously they are entirely cynical, are playing the US white nationalist "racism against white people" meme and are weaponising this for their own political gain - which is not a surprise in any way, as that is how they do politics.
I'd say they are both trying to create a summer of rioting, just as per last time. Farage is in a Trump-like mess for things he does not want anyone to notice, and needs distractions.
I'd be quite interested to know what Rupert Lowe's expulsion policy says about members of the murder victims family.
I wonder who Farage meant by ‘Indians’? The white nationalist table of acceptable brown people is fluid. Sorry Sikhs, you’ve tumbled down the Farage Blackshorts national league (southern division).
The idea of being indigenous is tricky anywhere. Humanity has seen waves of population migration since they left Africa and very often preexisting inhabitants get moved on or exterminated. Even places like NZ or Australia we cannot really be sure that the people we consider to be indigenous really are, and are not in fact usurpers.
In the UK? God knows. But until WW2 the country was overwhelmingly white.
The existence of the Basque language, unrelated to any other known tongue, suggests that all the Indo European languages, including all the Celtic ones are usurpers in western Europe.
Perhaps, but then who did the Basque wipe out? Neanderthals were here first!
It goes, if I remember correctly…
Neanderthals
… who were replaced by, and possibly wiped out by Homo sapiens, who we shall call in Western Europe the Western Hunter Gatherers (WHG)…
…. who were replaced by Neolithic farmers from Anatolia (and the Basque language may be a remnant of theirs, and may not)…
… who were replaced by the Beaker Culture, who developed into the Celts.
In England, the Celts are then largely replaced by Anglo-Saxons. In Scotland, there’s some replacement of Picts (probably Celts) by Scots (Celts from Ireland). In Iberia, the earlier Beaker culture descendants were replaced by different Celts from the east and north, and later the Romans.
Does that seem right?
Yep. And as discussed a while ago on PB we are all descended from the same people if you go back far enough, or have a common ancestor at least.
IIRC, at one point we nearly went extinct, so all modern humans are descendants of a rather small group.
Every now and again I blow my mind by remembering that every single one of my ancestors was lucky enough to reproduce and have at least one offspring. Right back to the autotrophs.
It's the same logic that makes me think it's likely that we may be the only intelligent life in the universe.
3,400 years ago was the global isopoint. Everyone alive today is descended from ALL of the global population in the fourteenth century BCE (Adam Rutherford 2020). I find this mind boggling and also brilliant. We ALL have ALL the same great great ... grand parents.
Just been googling to see if I can verify this from another source. Wikipedia refers to the Identical Ancestors Point and suggests we got to that point between 5000 and 15000 years ago.
This is bad news for Ancestory.com's business model.
I'm not following events in Southampton but it's a bit presumptuous to be blaming it on Farage. There's any number of influencers out there. And what about Stand Up To Racism? I'm not sure their need to interfere in everything is exactly helping.
Farage called for 'public rage'. He's contributed directly to events tonight in Southampton, along with Tommy of course.
Two tier policing nothing to do with it, of course.
The murderer has been convicted and been sent to prison for a very long time, rightly so. I don't see the two-tier here.
You don't get it do you. It's the behaviour of the police that has so incensed people. From what we have seen you could hardly write a better script if wanting to confirm people's suspicions that the police are institutionally anti white and primarily concerned with placating minority groups. And totally fixated on anything 'racism'. It might not all be true but it is what people increasingly believe. They want a police force that keep order in the streets without fear or favour.
You may not like the Torygraph but Tim Stanley says something very telling at the end. That we have an elite who see themselves as colonial administrators who's main job is to keep the peace between different groups of people. More and more people seem to feel this this and resent what they see as a profound shift in how we are policed.
It links into a growing feeling that the authorities are not on the side of 'people like us'.
Britain is fast becoming a two-tier society. This divide is not Disraeli’s two nations, the rich and the poor. It is a division between those who are trying to do the right thing, following society’s official and unspoken rules, and those who see society and the state as an opportunity to be exploited, and who are deliberately gaming or evading the restraints.
The first group are feeling ground down by being regulated and penalised to an unprecedented degree by bureaucrats, who find them easy targets for monitoring or punishing because in principle they consent to being overseen for the greater good.
The second group are increasingly emboldened, enriched and out of control, left to scheming or lawlessness by a state that has become too weak, virtue signalling or misguided to effectively deter the devious, the greedy, the violent and the powerful — whether they are City money launderers, Covid profiteers, white-collar fraudsters, benefit scammers, criminal shop networks or street thugs.
All are tough to police or prevent because they deliberately opt out of social constraints. Overwhelmingly, officialdom prefers to scold and harry the compliant for minor transgressions rather than challenge those who decline to co-operate. This is a creeping corrosion. Every society has its criminals and exploiters but the question is how far social pressures, codes of conduct and deterrence hold them in check. Britain’s ability to do so is eroding.
And who are those who are evading restraints and gaming the system? They seem to include the likes of Tommy Robinson (committed mortgage and passport fraud, evades paying fines by claiming bankruptcy), Nigel Farage (fails to declare a £5 million donation) and Rupert Lowe (spent lots on lawyers to try to stop Parliament investigating him). Let us not make the same mistake as the US and elect swamp dwellers who claim they will drain the swamp.
The idea of being indigenous is tricky anywhere. Humanity has seen waves of population migration since they left Africa and very often preexisting inhabitants get moved on or exterminated. Even places like NZ or Australia we cannot really be sure that the people we consider to be indigenous really are, and are not in fact usurpers.
In the UK? God knows. But until WW2 the country was overwhelmingly white.
The existence of the Basque language, unrelated to any other known tongue, suggests that all the Indo European languages, including all the Celtic ones are usurpers in western Europe.
Perhaps, but then who did the Basque wipe out? Neanderthals were here first!
It goes, if I remember correctly…
Neanderthals
… who were replaced by, and possibly wiped out by Homo sapiens, who we shall call in Western Europe the Western Hunter Gatherers (WHG)…
…. who were replaced by Neolithic farmers from Anatolia (and the Basque language may be a remnant of theirs, and may not)…
… who were replaced by the Beaker Culture, who developed into the Celts.
In England, the Celts are then largely replaced by Anglo-Saxons. In Scotland, there’s some replacement of Picts (probably Celts) by Scots (Celts from Ireland). In Iberia, the earlier Beaker culture descendants were replaced by different Celts from the east and north, and later the Romans.
Does that seem right?
Yep. And as discussed a while ago on PB we are all descended from the same people if you go back far enough, or have a common ancestor at least.
IIRC, at one point we nearly went extinct, so all modern humans are descendants of a rather small group.
Every now and again I blow my mind by remembering that every single one of my ancestors was lucky enough to reproduce and have at least one offspring. Right back to the autotrophs.
My family tree goes back to a phytoplankton called Gerald,
And you’ve still got some evolutionary catching up to do, down there in the West Country?
I'm not following events in Southampton but it's a bit presumptuous to be blaming it on Farage. There's any number of influencers out there. And what about Stand Up To Racism? I'm not sure their need to interfere in everything is exactly helping.
Farage called for 'public rage'. He's contributed directly to events tonight in Southampton, along with Tommy of course.
Two tier policing nothing to do with it, of course.
The murderer has been convicted and been sent to prison for a very long time, rightly so. I don't see the two-tier here.
You don't get it do you. It's the behaviour of the police that has so incensed people. From what we have seen you could hardly write a better script if wanting to confirm people's suspicions that the police are institutionally anti white and primarily concerned with placating minority groups. And totally fixated on anything 'racism'. It might not all be true but it is what people increasingly believe. They want a police force that keep order in the streets without fear or favour.
You may not like the Torygraph but Tim Stanley says something very telling at the end. That we have an elite who see themselves as colonial administrators who's main job is to keep the peace between different groups of people. More and more people seem to feel this this and resent what they see as a profound shift in how we are policed.
“It might not all be true”: indeed, and isn’t that an important point? Farage, Robinson etc. are distorting events to inflame the situation. Social media spreads falsehoods, Shouldn’t the response be to get the truth out there?
Creating trouble on the streets and then claiming that this is evidence of growing anarchy that only they have the solutions for is very much out of the 1930s far right playbook.
It is at least interesting that Yaxley-Lennon and Farage and others are now treating a British-Pole as "white". Obviously they are entirely cynical, are playing the US white nationalist "racism against white people" meme and are weaponising this for their own political gain - which is not a surprise in any way, as that is how they do politics.
I'd say they are both trying to create a summer of rioting, just as per last time. Farage is in a Trump-like mess for things he does not want anyone to notice, and needs distractions.
I'd be quite interested to know what Rupert Lowe's expulsion policy says about members of the murder victims family.
I wonder who Farage meant by ‘Indians’? The white nationalist table of acceptable brown people is fluid. Sorry Sikhs, you’ve tumbled down the Farage Blackshorts national league (southern division).
It should be a reminder to those who can be identified to any "group" that they might be next if we go down this path.
I'm not following events in Southampton but it's a bit presumptuous to be blaming it on Farage. There's any number of influencers out there. And what about Stand Up To Racism? I'm not sure their need to interfere in everything is exactly helping.
Farage called for 'public rage'. He's contributed directly to events tonight in Southampton, along with Tommy of course.
Two tier policing nothing to do with it, of course.
The murderer has been convicted and been sent to prison for a very long time, rightly so. I don't see the two-tier here.
You don't get it do you. It's the behaviour of the police that has so incensed people. From what we have seen you could hardly write a better script if wanting to confirm people's suspicions that the police are institutionally anti white and primarily concerned with placating minority groups. And totally fixated on anything 'racism'. It might not all be true but it is what people increasingly believe. They want a police force that keep order in the streets without fear or favour.
You may not like the Torygraph but Tim Stanley says something very telling at the end. That we have an elite who see themselves as colonial administrators who's main job is to keep the peace between different groups of people. More and more people seem to feel this this and resent what they see as a profound shift in how we are policed.
It links into a growing feeling that the authorities are not on the side of 'people like us'.
Britain is fast becoming a two-tier society. This divide is not Disraeli’s two nations, the rich and the poor. It is a division between those who are trying to do the right thing, following society’s official and unspoken rules, and those who see society and the state as an opportunity to be exploited, and who are deliberately gaming or evading the restraints.
The first group are feeling ground down by being regulated and penalised to an unprecedented degree by bureaucrats, who find them easy targets for monitoring or punishing because in principle they consent to being overseen for the greater good.
The second group are increasingly emboldened, enriched and out of control, left to scheming or lawlessness by a state that has become too weak, virtue signalling or misguided to effectively deter the devious, the greedy, the violent and the powerful — whether they are City money launderers, Covid profiteers, white-collar fraudsters, benefit scammers, criminal shop networks or street thugs.
All are tough to police or prevent because they deliberately opt out of social constraints. Overwhelmingly, officialdom prefers to scold and harry the compliant for minor transgressions rather than challenge those who decline to co-operate. This is a creeping corrosion. Every society has its criminals and exploiters but the question is how far social pressures, codes of conduct and deterrence hold them in check. Britain’s ability to do so is eroding.
And who are those who are evading restraints and gaming the system? They seem to include the likes of Tommy Robinson (committed mortgage and passport fraud, evades paying fines by claiming bankruptcy), Nigel Farage (fails to declare a £5 million donation) and Rupert Lowe (spent lots on lawyers to try to stop Parliament investigating him). Let us not make the same mistake as the US and elect swamp dwellers who claim they will drain the swamp.
They include people you dislike and definitely exclude people you like.
It is at least interesting that Yaxley-Lennon and Farage and others are now treating a British-Pole as "white". Obviously they are entirely cynical, are playing the US white nationalist "racism against white people" meme and are weaponising this for their own political gain - which is not a surprise in any way, as that is how they do politics.
I'd say they are both trying to create a summer of rioting, just as per last time. Farage is in a Trump-like mess for things he does not want anyone to notice, and needs distractions.
I'd be quite interested to know what Rupert Lowe's expulsion policy says about members of the murder victims family.
I wonder who Farage meant by ‘Indians’? The white nationalist table of acceptable brown people is fluid. Sorry Sikhs, you’ve tumbled down the Farage Blackshorts national league (southern division).
The precise background of the participants in the awful events wasn't salient in the police's actions, so whilst it must be fun (if you like that sort of thing) to pick holes in Farage's previous statements about ethnicity, it's completely irrelevant to his main point, which is that the victim died in handcuffs (tragically he was probably done for anyway) because he was white. I don't see that this is deniable in any way. Furthermore, it has been growingly apparent for some time that this inherent bias is deliberate policy - it is in the training manuals.
A few miscellaneous observations on the Novak case.
1. A small point, but what part of 'I choose not to watch a man dying' do media outlets fail to understand? It's really quite angered me that several mainstream channels covering this story think it's OK to use extended footage of this with zero warning. I can understand the arguments and be furious about the injustice without seeing the video, thanks anyway.
2. Everything that Farage says in his video is, in my opinion, true. It's a good debate for Reform, because it's not about a vision of ethnic purity, it's about equal application of the law. It is also highly incendiary. However, Farage is filling a vacuum left, once again, by Starmer, who should have been absolutely all over this, but hasn't touched it.
3. Reform's social media attacks on Kemi have been below the belt, but their misrepresentation of her statements are very similar to her own misrepresentation of Nigel's speech, where he also said that black lives matter.
Starmer has talked repeatedly about the case and welcomed the IOPC investigation. Your claim that he “hasn’t touched it” seems unrelated to reality.
That is a ludicrous assertion. He was silent on the case, including at PMQs (where he chose to mention George Floyd being killed in the USA) until he faced significant criticism from Reform and the Tories. His public statements on the matter have all come in response to questions or other interventions, and have been totally passive rather than given any assurance that action will be taken to prevent any future recurrence.
That's Starmer. He reacts. He doesn't lead.
And if his reaction doesn't land right, then he reacts again - differently.
Same as after the Southport attack. He looks like a rabbit caught in the headlights, literally has no clue how to respond to events such as these.
A few miscellaneous observations on the Novak case.
1. A small point, but what part of 'I choose not to watch a man dying' do media outlets fail to understand? It's really quite angered me that several mainstream channels covering this story think it's OK to use extended footage of this with zero warning. I can understand the arguments and be furious about the injustice without seeing the video, thanks anyway.
2. Everything that Farage says in his video is, in my opinion, true. It's a good debate for Reform, because it's not about a vision of ethnic purity, it's about equal application of the law. It is also highly incendiary. However, Farage is filling a vacuum left, once again, by Starmer, who should have been absolutely all over this, but hasn't touched it.
3. Reform's social media attacks on Kemi have been below the belt, but their misrepresentation of her statements are very similar to her own misrepresentation of Nigel's speech, where he also said that black lives matter.
Starmer has talked repeatedly about the case and welcomed the IOPC investigation. Your claim that he “hasn’t touched it” seems unrelated to reality.
That is a ludicrous assertion. He was silent on the case, including at PMQs (where he chose to mention George Floyd being killed in the USA) until he faced significant criticism from Reform and the Tories. His public statements on the matter have all come in response to questions or other interventions, and have been totally passive rather than given any assurance that action will be taken to prevent any future recurrence.
That's Starmer. He reacts. He doesn't lead.
And if his reaction doesn't land right, then he reacts again - differently.
Same as after the Southport attack. He looks like a rabbit caught in the headlights, literally has no clue how to respond to events such as these.
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Chris Philip disgracing himself again.
https://magazine.newstatesman.com/2026/05/30/its-so-much-worse-than-tony-blair-thinks/content.html
1. A small point, but what part of 'I choose not to watch a man dying' do media outlets fail to understand? It's really quite angered me that several mainstream channels covering this story think it's OK to use extended footage of this with zero warning. I can understand the arguments and be furious about the injustice without seeing the video, thanks anyway.
2. Everything that Farage says in his video is, in my opinion, true. It's a good debate for Reform, because it's not about a vision of ethnic purity, it's about equal application of the law. It is also highly incendiary. However, Farage is filling a vacuum left, once again, by Starmer, who should have been absolutely all over this, but hasn't touched it.
3. Reform's social media attacks on Kemi have been below the belt, but their misrepresentation of her statements are very similar to her own misrepresentation of Nigel's speech, where he also said that black lives matter.
Having had to cast a few videos and photoshoots in my time, the boring truth is that it's largely about maths.
Generally you want to avoid a visual that consists entirely of people all the same colour (a separate debate), so a mixed cast is the easiest way to tick the maximum number of boxes. Ideally, the proportions would broadly reflect the country as a whole... however, you're not normally casting that many people. Maybe four to six. Eight or more would be a large ensemble and quite unusual for any kind of 'domestic' setting.
And this means that people of colour - if they appear at all, which they generally will - are statistically bound to be overrepresented. It's not 'reverse racism', it's not some sort of Woke conspiracy, it's literally just numbers. If there's one black person in a cast of six people, they're 1/6th of the people shown, despite maybe representing only 5% of the total population.
This does mean that your career prospects as an actor or model are better if you're not white (and, therefore worse if you are), which is demonstrably unfair - but the reasoning behind it does make sense.
Maybe eventually there will be some movement for 'Proportional Representation' in casting, but I wouldn't hold out a whole lot of hope...
So instead he's shitting upon a grieving family...
I would still prefer to stare down a copper as a white, heterosexual male than any other variety of human being.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Youngest_Toba_eruption
Today has been all about bFarage and his racist political narrative stolen out of a tragedy.
(The part in that last sentnce was something I learned quite recently.)
ITS A TORY POLICY
£5 please.
It's impact on UK is more relevant than most
Deniers
Liars
Starmer has spoken about it, and his Home Secretary discussed it at length today, and went as far as it was possible to do without prejudicing the investigation of the police actions.
The difference is that neither incited the mob.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pC9f4BpFk0
You may not like the Torygraph but Tim Stanley says something very telling at the end. That we have an elite who see themselves as colonial administrators who's main job is to keep the peace between different groups of people. More and more people seem to feel this this and resent what they see as a profound shift in how we are policed.
Chris Mason, "You said that the Leave campaign peddled nationalist phish during the Brexit referendum. Did you vote for Brexit?"
Reform UK's candidate for Makerfield Robert Kenyon, "100% hand on heart I voted for Brexit"
Chris Mason, "So who was peddling nationalistic phish? Nigel Farage?"
Robert Kenyon, "I don't know what context.. I'm not sure what nationalistic phish means"
Chris Mason, "You tell me, you wrote it"
Robert Kenyon, "Haha.. I've no recollection of saying that"
https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/2061901851205747059
And it works if the number of people it successfully targets is greater than the number of racists the advert offends. Heck that probably doesn’t matter because the easily offended have probably been put off by a previous advert.
Britain is fast becoming a two-tier society. This divide is not Disraeli’s two nations, the rich and the poor. It is a division between those who are trying to do the right thing, following society’s official and unspoken rules, and those who see society and the state as an opportunity to be exploited, and who are deliberately gaming or evading the restraints.
The first group are feeling ground down by being regulated and penalised to an unprecedented degree by bureaucrats, who find them easy targets for monitoring or punishing because in principle they consent to being overseen for the greater good.
The second group are increasingly emboldened, enriched and out of control, left to scheming or lawlessness by a state that has become too weak, virtue signalling or misguided to effectively deter the devious, the greedy, the violent and the powerful — whether they are City money launderers, Covid profiteers, white-collar fraudsters, benefit scammers, criminal shop networks or street thugs.
All are tough to police or prevent because they deliberately opt out of social constraints. Overwhelmingly, officialdom prefers to scold and harry the compliant for minor transgressions rather than challenge those who decline to co-operate. This is a creeping corrosion. Every society has its criminals and exploiters but the question is how far social pressures, codes of conduct and deterrence hold them in check. Britain’s ability to do so is eroding.
https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/crime-doesnt-pay-politics-law-ldfkk65b6
https://www.propublica.org/article/michigan-solar-farms-health-concerns-st-clair-county
It doesn't divide across traditional left/ right prejudices though.
It would surely be a major tourist attraction at V&A Dundee.
Alternatively the Burrell Collection could be an appropriate location with it being so near Sturgeon's old constituency - 'The Murrell at the Burrell'.
Its more of a 'rights' versus 'responsibilities' issue.
It also links back to the 'producers versus predators' discussions of 2011:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/oct/06/ed-miliband-george-osborne-martin-wiener
Are all my ancestors from 3400 years ago the same as those of someone in an isolated tribe in the Amazon that has been inbreeding ever since then? We haven't shared any ancestors in the last 500 years that I can see and before then I'm not sure how it would have happened.
Indigenous Australians were pretty isolated too, at least until around 1800. Is somebody in the middle of the outback from 1400 BC likely to be my ancestor in some way? I can see from my family tree that that hasn't happened since white settlement of Australia, and I don't see how it would have happened before then, without some extremely improbable circumstances.
https://searchlightmagazine.com/2026/05/makerfield-organisers-hebrew-tattoos-enrage-restores-fascist-faction/
In this case it’s not society’s response that’s being blamed but that from individuals, specifically Farage and Yusuf. I know much of the right has given up on personal responsibility, but I’m still very much in favour of it.
Well the Ukranians thought they’d send a message of their own, to the St.Petersberg oil refinery!
https://x.com/jayinkyiv/status/2062014320934879332
https://x.com/bohuslavskakate/status/2062005119978262922
If I recall rightly, the early applications of genome mapping the world's population produced the rather surprising result that we had remarkably few ancestors. Scientists had expected the exact opposite.
Not sure what this proves, if so, but kind of interesting.
In 1996 I was managing a Department in a Mortgage Centre, about 400 people. One day in the Staff Canteen a very amiable hard working Sikh got out his little ceremonial knife and showed it to some of his work colleagues. One guy out of 400 decided this was an HR issue and demanded he be saced for bringin a knife to work. Of course HR got involved and various discussions were held. It was ultimately deemed that the knife was permissible unless it was used in a threatening way.
The bloke who complained, who had right wing leanings would not let it rest. Having explored and closed all HR issues he came in to work one day with a ceremonial Gurkah knife his dad had on the Lounge wall. He was as you would expect stopped by the key card security team, denied entry and referred to HR. He was suspended from work for 7 days. It was treated as an employee clearly breaking HR rules. He repeated the act on the 8th day. He was subsequently dismissed, went to tribunal and lost.
A very different case and a very different scenario but very much proof that the law has always allowed a specific piece of Sikh ceremonial apparel. This was at a time of tensions between the Hindu and Sikh communities in the West Midlands, the Muslim and Hindu and Sikh communities and the Afro Caribbean and Asian Communities. The Far Right wasnt particularly mobilised thank god as they are now.
This is a disgusting incident, an incident where body cam footage has evidenced a clear problem. If ALL politicians adopted the tone it was a problem and it needed solving going forwards it could be.
Sadly we have Farage and Robinson seeing it as an opportunity to riot, Badenoch once again totally denying her responsibilities by refusing to acknowledge it is her law that is being challenged and stoking the flames and the incumbent government stuck between a rock and a hard place. We are is an era where politicians have NO COLLECTIVE responsibility other than factionalisation , agitation and division and that is a terrifying position to be in.
Delighted to launch the official X account of Reform Friends of Israel. Follow for updates as we launch this exciting platform to promote the UK-Israel relationship with Reform UK leaders and members.
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My only conclusion I am prepared to offer, which is controversial in itself is that "female good looks" are not inherited. That must be so, look at Royalty and even Gentry. By the nature of things if you were so much more powerful that other men then you got the chance, almost of right to mate with the "fairest in the land". Repeat for 2,000 years, so why aren't the Mountbatten Windsors so much better looking than the rest of us ? My dad came out with that one at a Tup Sale. Basically, he was saying those who were paying 10,000 guineas for a tup because it had a better face than another one were wasting their brass !
. . . and the crossings would need to go both directions.
https://x.com/tendar/status/2062026327188775122
Robinson accused Hampshire police of institutional racism, saying: “If Henry wasn’t white, he wouldn’t have been handcuffed.”
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/jun/02/protesters-clash-with-police-in-southampton-over-henry-nowak
Farage's previous position reflected in a Times headline from 2015:
"Farage: I prefer Indians to Poles, they abide by the law"
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/farage-i-prefer-indians-to-poles-they-abide-by-the-law-mj2hhbc092t
I'd say they are both trying to create a summer of rioting, just as per last time. Farage is in a Trump-like mess for things he does not want anyone to notice, and needs distractions.
I'd be quite interested to know what Rupert Lowe's expulsion policy says about members of the murder victims family.
If the roles were reversed, there'd be a different reaction, and Farage is also inflaming it.
And if his reaction doesn't land right, then he reacts again - differently.
Possible reasons are Trump frustration with Putin, or family and friends business deals with Armenia.
https://www.politico.eu/article/donald-trump-endorses-nikol-pashinyan-ahead-of-election/
That said, George VI, Elizabeth II and Prince William were all very good looking in their youth.
Charles a tad less so.
The white nationalist table of acceptable brown people is fluid. Sorry Sikhs, you’ve tumbled down the Farage Blackshorts national league (southern division).